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		<title>By: professor rat</title>
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		<dc:creator>professor rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;‘ Fifth rate satrap’ is one way of describing a Minister in any government yet Niger is a republic ( Unlike the USA Empire since 2000?) and so I respectfully dissent from any inadvertant participation in the smear-on-Niger that the lunar right are pushing.&lt;br /&gt;
We simply have no need to get into the gutter with well-known fascists such as Hitchens and Ledeen.&lt;br /&gt;
When more is known about all this scandal then racism could be found to be a significant factor behind what looks to me like a criminal *Yellowgate* conspiracy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘ Fifth rate satrap’ is one way of describing a Minister in any government yet Niger is a republic ( Unlike the USA Empire since 2000?) and so I respectfully dissent from any inadvertant participation in the smear-on-Niger that the lunar right are pushing.<br />
We simply have no need to get into the gutter with well-known fascists such as Hitchens and Ledeen.<br />
When more is known about all this scandal then racism could be found to be a significant factor behind what looks to me like a criminal *Yellowgate* conspiracy.</p>
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		<title>By: ManagedChaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>ManagedChaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the story about Libby calling Russert to complain about Tweety is a lie.  The whole point of that phone call was to establish the fact that “he didn’t know”. And I think Matalin is engaged in the coverup.  Here’s why:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;F: What was resolution with Chris Matthews.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;L: We were told to go to his producer.  In short, I struck out. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;F: Did he give you the name of the producer?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;L: Yes.  I think it’s Shapiro.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;F: Did you call him?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;L: No.  We asked someone in the WH press office who knew him.  Adam Levine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;F: Did he succeed?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;L: No.  Matthews kept saying same things.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He was given the name of the producer but didn’t write it down.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He asked some press staffer to call the producer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He struck out and seemed to be fine with it.  Doesn’t sound like it was that urgent to begin with yet they were going straight to the top with Russert.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;F: When Russert told you what you said he did, did you call the CIA press office to say, have you heard about reporters knowing this?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;L: No.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;F: Did you tell any other WH official, or the VP?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;L: No. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s no reason to call the CIA if what he says never happened. Same with telling WH officials.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the story about Libby calling Russert to complain about Tweety is a lie.  The whole point of that phone call was to establish the fact that “he didn’t know”. And I think Matalin is engaged in the coverup.  Here’s why:</p>
<p><i>F: What was resolution with Chris Matthews.</i></p>
<p>L: We were told to go to his producer.  In short, I struck out. </p>
<p>F: Did he give you the name of the producer?</p>
<p>L: Yes.  I think it’s Shapiro.</p>
<p>F: Did you call him?</p>
<p>L: No.  We asked someone in the WH press office who knew him.  Adam Levine.</p>
<p>F: Did he succeed?</p>
<p>L: No.  Matthews kept saying same things.</p>
<p>He was given the name of the producer but didn’t write it down.</p>
<p>He asked some press staffer to call the producer.</p>
<p>He struck out and seemed to be fine with it.  Doesn’t sound like it was that urgent to begin with yet they were going straight to the top with Russert.</p>
<p><i>F: When Russert told you what you said he did, did you call the CIA press office to say, have you heard about reporters knowing this?</i></p>
<p>L: No.</p>
<p>F: Did you tell any other WH official, or the VP?</p>
<p>L: No. </p>
<p>There’s no reason to call the CIA if what he says never happened. Same with telling WH officials.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/06/libby-live-libby-grand-jury-testimony-three/#comment-493525</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-493052&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;my too sense @ 137 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hmmm so many damning things in that whole testimony (so far), but just one tidbit I found interesting is this one when Fitz questions him about his conversations with Mitchell. Libby’s response here tells me he has a motive to lie. (as he was worried that Timmeh might have gotten in trouble for talking about Wilson’s wife)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;F: Did you talk to Andrea Mitchell about Wilson and his wife sometime in this time frame?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;L: I talked to Andrea Mitchell after Russert, and &lt;b&gt;I see that NBC has stated that she didn’t know about Wilson’s wife until after July 14th.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;L: I remember an awkward moment in talking to her, because I thought about what Russert told me, but I didn’t know if she knew, and&lt;b&gt; I didn’t want to get Russert in trouble by saying he’d told me.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wow, and I see NBC has said she didn’t know until the 14th ! So much for Libby’s bogus memory defense as he even remembers what NBC has said about Mitchell’s knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Yes, why would Libby be worried that Tim would be in trouble if he told Andrea Mitchell about this fact (that Tim told him about Wilson’s wife) if it was just gossip or an innocent fact at the time of this conversation with Mitchell. Could it be because he knew the legal significance and dangers at the time of outing an operative so he(Libby) had a motive to lie.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In addition, according to Libby, Russert told him that “all the reporters” knew.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So why would he be “getting Russert in trouble” if this information was all over the Press Corps? Russert would be just one blabber of many?&lt;br /&gt;
And why would he assume that Andrea Mitchell DIDN’T KNOW…given what Russert told him?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;None of this makes any sense!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-493052"><em>my too sense @ 137 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Hmmm so many damning things in that whole testimony (so far), but just one tidbit I found interesting is this one when Fitz questions him about his conversations with Mitchell. Libby’s response here tells me he has a motive to lie. (as he was worried that Timmeh might have gotten in trouble for talking about Wilson’s wife)</p>
<p>F: Did you talk to Andrea Mitchell about Wilson and his wife sometime in this time frame?</p>
<p>L: I talked to Andrea Mitchell after Russert, and <b>I see that NBC has stated that she didn’t know about Wilson’s wife until after July 14th.</b></p>
<p>L: I remember an awkward moment in talking to her, because I thought about what Russert told me, but I didn’t know if she knew, and<b> I didn’t want to get Russert in trouble by saying he’d told me.</b></p>
<p>Wow, and I see NBC has said she didn’t know until the 14th ! So much for Libby’s bogus memory defense as he even remembers what NBC has said about Mitchell’s knowledge.</p>
<p> Yes, why would Libby be worried that Tim would be in trouble if he told Andrea Mitchell about this fact (that Tim told him about Wilson’s wife) if it was just gossip or an innocent fact at the time of this conversation with Mitchell. Could it be because he knew the legal significance and dangers at the time of outing an operative so he(Libby) had a motive to lie.</p>
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<p>In addition, according to Libby, Russert told him that “all the reporters” knew.</p>
<p>So why would he be “getting Russert in trouble” if this information was all over the Press Corps? Russert would be just one blabber of many?<br />
And why would he assume that Andrea Mitchell DIDN’T KNOW…given what Russert told him?</p>
<p>None of this makes any sense!!!</p>
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		<title>By: srgtick</title>
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		<dc:creator>srgtick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m sorry to keep repeating this, but all I recall is being surprised when I talked about it with Tim Russert.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unnecessary apology to divert from lie.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m sorry to keep repeating this, but all I recall is being surprised when I talked about it with Tim Russert.</p>
<p>Unnecessary apology to divert from lie.</p>
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		<title>By: kspena</title>
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		<dc:creator>kspena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m a late comer today….Regarding the ‘Rove Report’, it might be the collection of ‘white papers’ ginned out of the WHIG group.  So far we have not heard about what this group was doing to sell the war…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m a late comer today….Regarding the ‘Rove Report’, it might be the collection of ‘white papers’ ginned out of the WHIG group.  So far we have not heard about what this group was doing to sell the war…</p>
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		<title>By: RBG</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/06/libby-live-libby-grand-jury-testimony-three/#comment-493356</link>
		<dc:creator>RBG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Come join us upstairs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come join us upstairs.</p>
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		<title>By: JEP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;First time I’ve felt all alone on this blog…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is this just a long recess, or am I missing a thread?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First time I’ve felt all alone on this blog…</p>
<p>Is this just a long recess, or am I missing a thread?</p>
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		<title>By: JEP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;is this possible;&lt;br /&gt;
1=Cheney&lt;br /&gt;
2=Rove and Libby&lt;br /&gt;
6=each of those 2 called three reporters, totalling 6 leaks?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Libby’s 3 were Miller, Copper and Russert, Rove’s trio was Novak, ? and ?.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who were the other two of the six? Or am I totally off here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is this possible;<br />
1=Cheney<br />
2=Rove and Libby<br />
6=each of those 2 called three reporters, totalling 6 leaks?</p>
<p>Libby’s 3 were Miller, Copper and Russert, Rove’s trio was Novak, ? and ?.</p>
<p>Who were the other two of the six? Or am I totally off here.</p>
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		<title>By: JEP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And the cover-up of that crime, just like Watergate, is where the prosecution found its foothold.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The crime of covering up a crime…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So how deep does it go?  Whatever indictments get handed down after this, only Fitz knows, and even he may have a floating list.  But there’s little doubt, the can of worms he’s opened should provide all the bait he needs to catch the bigger fish.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the cover-up of that crime, just like Watergate, is where the prosecution found its foothold.</p>
<p>The crime of covering up a crime…</p>
<p>So how deep does it go?  Whatever indictments get handed down after this, only Fitz knows, and even he may have a floating list.  But there’s little doubt, the can of worms he’s opened should provide all the bait he needs to catch the bigger fish.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-493094&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;stingray @ 154&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Man, I’m going to rename February 6 “emptywheel vindication day” in honor of this testimony. First, &lt;b&gt;Marcy scoops everyone on the Libby to Novak meetings.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please remind us the significance is of this? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is the suggestion that Libby is one of the 2 in the 1×2x6? That Libby intentionally fed Plame to Novak?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All it is necessary is that Libby thought the the “source” (#1) had told the reporter that he was one of the #2’s that leaked to some of the SIX reporters. People, I think, are obsessing, too much about this shorthand formula for the (Pincus?) article.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Libby tghought that he had been outed he would be concerned about his status…and start covering up. The article (since this is marked by Libby and was in his files) goes to his state-of-mind.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The formulation doesn’t have to be accurate. There could be many more reporters, there could be more than two leakers, there could be more steps in the pyramid.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All Libby needed to know is that the reporters or a “internal source” had suggested that the leaks were not accidental…but were a part of a broader conspiracy…and intentional. That made things a crime!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-493094"><em>stingray @ 154</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>Man, I’m going to rename February 6 “emptywheel vindication day” in honor of this testimony. First, <b>Marcy scoops everyone on the Libby to Novak meetings.</b></i></p>
<p>Please remind us the significance is of this? </p>
<p>Is the suggestion that Libby is one of the 2 in the 1×2&#215;6? That Libby intentionally fed Plame to Novak?</p>
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<p>All it is necessary is that Libby thought the the “source” (#1) had told the reporter that he was one of the #2’s that leaked to some of the SIX reporters. People, I think, are obsessing, too much about this shorthand formula for the (Pincus?) article.</p>
<p>If Libby tghought that he had been outed he would be concerned about his status…and start covering up. The article (since this is marked by Libby and was in his files) goes to his state-of-mind.</p>
<p>The formulation doesn’t have to be accurate. There could be many more reporters, there could be more than two leakers, there could be more steps in the pyramid.</p>
<p>All Libby needed to know is that the reporters or a “internal source” had suggested that the leaks were not accidental…but were a part of a broader conspiracy…and intentional. That made things a crime!</p>
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