Comments on: Late Nite FDL: From the Tapes http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:27:02 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: rocksand http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-493798 rocksand Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:28:48 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-493798 <p>“It’s no coincidence that the laws Libby is being tried under were originally set up to fight organized crime.”</p> <p>Sorry, I didn’t read every word:</p> <p>So you’re saying RICO statutes?<br /> Can someone elaborate on this and discuss tie-ins to Cheney, Bush and others possible convictions. Also, can individual convicted of treason be pardoned by president or have appeals rights? As this trial unfolds, can other individuals be simultaneously indicted as a result of information uncovered, i.e., do these trials have to occur consecutively or can they occur simultaneously?</p> “It’s no coincidence that the laws Libby is being tried under were originally set up to fight organized crime.”

Sorry, I didn’t read every word:

So you’re saying RICO statutes?
Can someone elaborate on this and discuss tie-ins to Cheney, Bush and others possible convictions. Also, can individual convicted of treason be pardoned by president or have appeals rights? As this trial unfolds, can other individuals be simultaneously indicted as a result of information uncovered, i.e., do these trials have to occur consecutively or can they occur simultaneously?

]]> By: Janatallow http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492819 Janatallow Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:39:30 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492819 <p>“Outing Valerie Plame was a bully tactic, a show of force that said, “Don’t fuck with us….All that matters is that our decisions are never, ever questioned.”<br /> I think the latter sentence is the key to the anti-Wilson campaign. As some have pointed out, Cheney and Co. feared CIA sources would expose the Bush Administration’s campaign of lies and distortions that helped lead us into the Iraq War, and this was a vicious preventive tactic. Joe Wilson alleged from the beginning that the extreme nature of the attack against him was to keep others from coming forward with the truth. Testimony in the Libby trial so far vindicates everything I’ve seen him claim since Valerie was outed.<br /> Moreover, testimony to date supports the theory that it is very likely that the anti-Wilson campaign was a two-fer, because by destroying Valerie Wilson’s career, they also neutralized one of the most knowledgeable professionals on the spread of WMDs, especially in Iraq — even if neither the CIA nor Bush White House were sure what the CIA knew. Cheney certainly didn’t want actual evidence to conflict with the fiction they were putting out.<br /> Finally, it is very important not to lose sight of the fact that Cheney and at least Libby and Bush’s closest adviser, Rove, had no compunction about destroying someone who had spent years investigating possibly the deadliest threat to our nation’s security, the spread of weapons of mass destruction. To me, this is the worst of the many outrages now being confirmed in the Libby trial.</p> “Outing Valerie Plame was a bully tactic, a show of force that said, “Don’t fuck with us….All that matters is that our decisions are never, ever questioned.”
I think the latter sentence is the key to the anti-Wilson campaign. As some have pointed out, Cheney and Co. feared CIA sources would expose the Bush Administration’s campaign of lies and distortions that helped lead us into the Iraq War, and this was a vicious preventive tactic. Joe Wilson alleged from the beginning that the extreme nature of the attack against him was to keep others from coming forward with the truth. Testimony in the Libby trial so far vindicates everything I’ve seen him claim since Valerie was outed.
Moreover, testimony to date supports the theory that it is very likely that the anti-Wilson campaign was a two-fer, because by destroying Valerie Wilson’s career, they also neutralized one of the most knowledgeable professionals on the spread of WMDs, especially in Iraq — even if neither the CIA nor Bush White House were sure what the CIA knew. Cheney certainly didn’t want actual evidence to conflict with the fiction they were putting out.
Finally, it is very important not to lose sight of the fact that Cheney and at least Libby and Bush’s closest adviser, Rove, had no compunction about destroying someone who had spent years investigating possibly the deadliest threat to our nation’s security, the spread of weapons of mass destruction. To me, this is the worst of the many outrages now being confirmed in the Libby trial.

]]> By: ds http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492782 ds Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:01:50 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492782 <blockquote><p>You know, something that has been consistently bugging me about all of this is the assertion that BushCo outed Valerie Plame to “undermine Wilson’s credibility”. I’ve never felt that this was the real reason.</p></blockquote> <p>It also seems worth invsstigating whether the real reason for outing Valerie Plame could have been to get <b>her</b> out of the CIA because of the work she was doing analyzing WMDs.</p>

You know, something that has been consistently bugging me about all of this is the assertion that BushCo outed Valerie Plame to “undermine Wilson’s credibility”. I’ve never felt that this was the real reason.

It also seems worth invsstigating whether the real reason for outing Valerie Plame could have been to get her out of the CIA because of the work she was doing analyzing WMDs.

]]> By: Phoenix Woman http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492745 Phoenix Woman Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:36:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492745 <p><a href="#comment-492478"><em>Rayne @<br /> 13 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Notice Ret. Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski’s observations from 2003 (<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0310-09.htm">published in early 2004</a>):</p> <blockquote><p>War is generally crafted and pursued for political reasons, but the reasons given to the Congress and to the American people for this one were inaccurate and so misleading as to be false. Moreover, they were false by design. Certainly, the neoconservatives never bothered to sell the rest of the country on the real reasons for occupation of Iraq — <b>more bases from which to flex U.S. muscle with Syria and Iran, and better positioning for the inevitable fall of the regional ruling sheikdoms.</b> Maintaining OPEC on a dollar track and not a euro and fulfilling a half-baked imperial vision also played a role. These more accurate reasons for invading and occupying could have been argued on their merits — an angry and aggressive U.S. population might indeed have supported the war and occupation for those reasons. But Americans didn’t get the chance for an honest debate.</p></blockquote> <p>Read the rest of that linked article; makes it clear that Cheney Co. via Rumsfeld was cleaning out anybody and anything that would get in the way of their going to war on Iraq <i>and Iran.</i> Ask yourselves what personnel and intelligence were replaced by OSP. </p></blockquote> <p>The real reason for invading was to replace the bases we lost in Iran when the Shan got booted in 1979. Everything else was gaslight.</p> Rayne @
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Notice Ret. Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski’s observations from 2003 (published in early 2004):

War is generally crafted and pursued for political reasons, but the reasons given to the Congress and to the American people for this one were inaccurate and so misleading as to be false. Moreover, they were false by design. Certainly, the neoconservatives never bothered to sell the rest of the country on the real reasons for occupation of Iraq — more bases from which to flex U.S. muscle with Syria and Iran, and better positioning for the inevitable fall of the regional ruling sheikdoms. Maintaining OPEC on a dollar track and not a euro and fulfilling a half-baked imperial vision also played a role. These more accurate reasons for invading and occupying could have been argued on their merits — an angry and aggressive U.S. population might indeed have supported the war and occupation for those reasons. But Americans didn’t get the chance for an honest debate.

Read the rest of that linked article; makes it clear that Cheney Co. via Rumsfeld was cleaning out anybody and anything that would get in the way of their going to war on Iraq and Iran. Ask yourselves what personnel and intelligence were replaced by OSP.

The real reason for invading was to replace the bases we lost in Iran when the Shan got booted in 1979. Everything else was gaslight.

]]> By: jenhowe http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492733 jenhowe Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:28:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492733 <p>Personally, I believe Plame was outed not to get revenge on her husband, but to disrupt any intelligence gathering on Iran that she was working on while with Brewster Jennings. Now that we have no real solid evidence Iran is or isn’t up to anything, the Bushies can start another war based on whatever they say the evidence is.</p> Personally, I believe Plame was outed not to get revenge on her husband, but to disrupt any intelligence gathering on Iran that she was working on while with Brewster Jennings. Now that we have no real solid evidence Iran is or isn’t up to anything, the Bushies can start another war based on whatever they say the evidence is.

]]> By: PoliticalCritic http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492704 PoliticalCritic Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:11:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492704 <p>Couldn’t agree more. The government is a cartel. The neocons want to attack everyone and leave someone else in charge to clean up the mess.</p> Couldn’t agree more. The government is a cartel. The neocons want to attack everyone and leave someone else in charge to clean up the mess.

]]> By: bonkers http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492688 bonkers Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:51:36 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492688 <p><em>Such morons; do not consider diplomatic channels, just bomb the hell out of them and ask questions later!</em></p> <p>They would be morons if their goal was actual peace and happiness for the region. Sadly, that’s not the case.</p> <p>The neo-cons goals are all about raping the land of it’s resources, and making Billions if not Trillions of dollars from these efforts, through oil and military-industrial contracts.</p> <p>If hundreds of thousands of people, including babies and little kids, get their heads crushed by rubble or faces blown off by bombs, so be it in the neo-con’s mind. The mega-rich will still be able to complain about the greens being a little too long at their country clubs.</p> <p>They know damn well what they’re doing. It’s not stupidity…it’s pure evil and we have to do everything possible to stop them forever.</p> Such morons; do not consider diplomatic channels, just bomb the hell out of them and ask questions later!

They would be morons if their goal was actual peace and happiness for the region. Sadly, that’s not the case.

The neo-cons goals are all about raping the land of it’s resources, and making Billions if not Trillions of dollars from these efforts, through oil and military-industrial contracts.

If hundreds of thousands of people, including babies and little kids, get their heads crushed by rubble or faces blown off by bombs, so be it in the neo-con’s mind. The mega-rich will still be able to complain about the greens being a little too long at their country clubs.

They know damn well what they’re doing. It’s not stupidity…it’s pure evil and we have to do everything possible to stop them forever.

]]> By: LandOfTheFree http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492682 LandOfTheFree Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:46:13 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492682 <p>Yes, the pictures of the various FDL big wigs go a long way to dispelling the notion of bloggers being “20 year old dirty hippies”. Hot lookin’ snazzy dressers, I’d say!</p> <p>(she says this while still in her bathrobe… damn, it’s cold this morning! I’m trying to find enough layers of clothing so I can go out and run some errands. I may end up looking like the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man, minus the goofy sailor hat and ascot).</p> Yes, the pictures of the various FDL big wigs go a long way to dispelling the notion of bloggers being “20 year old dirty hippies”. Hot lookin’ snazzy dressers, I’d say!

(she says this while still in her bathrobe… damn, it’s cold this morning! I’m trying to find enough layers of clothing so I can go out and run some errands. I may end up looking like the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man, minus the goofy sailor hat and ascot).

]]> By: cbl http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492672 cbl Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:33:06 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492672 <p>Mornin’ Firepups,</p> <p>so sorry I missed Norkse - always a bloggy treat</p> <blockquote><p>Hey! That Swopa is a HOTTIE!</p></blockquote> <p>you know I’ve long believed that all these folks are so intellectually hot and dazzling that should one of them in reality, bear a striking resemblance to Jabba the Hut, I’d never notice and would blather on like a star struck school girl meeting a Beatle</p> <p>and no Swopa, I was not referring to your appearance ! in fact picked up a surprisingly wholesome vibe along with the intellect and hotness from the youtube - oh the earnestness, it burns ! : )</p> Mornin’ Firepups,

so sorry I missed Norkse – always a bloggy treat

Hey! That Swopa is a HOTTIE!

you know I’ve long believed that all these folks are so intellectually hot and dazzling that should one of them in reality, bear a striking resemblance to Jabba the Hut, I’d never notice and would blather on like a star struck school girl meeting a Beatle

and no Swopa, I was not referring to your appearance ! in fact picked up a surprisingly wholesome vibe along with the intellect and hotness from the youtube – oh the earnestness, it burns ! : )

]]> By: halobeam http://firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492671 halobeam Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:23:38 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/05/late-nite-fdl-from-the-tapes/#comment-492671 <p>Raven… try here re: yesterday’s gabbly</p> <p><a href="http://gabbly.com/private/firepups/doglake">http://gabbly.com/private/firepups/doglake</a></p> Raven… try here re: yesterday’s gabbly

http://gabbly.com/private/firepups/doglake

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