
A couple of different things from Libby's taped grand jury testimony today that could be nothing, but which could be worth remarking on.
In his March 5th, 2004 testimony to the Grand Jury, Mr. Libby made an interesting slip of the tongue. He was talking about Iraq's attempts to acquire fissile materials as represented in the NIE, but instead of saying "Iraq", he said "Iran". Now, with any other talking head under any other circumstances, this could be a common enough mistake. However, given the Bush administration's hard-on for attacking Iran over their nuclear program, one has to wonder if this was actually a Freudian slip. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected president of Iran on August 5th, 2005, nearly a year and a half after Libby's testimony. BushCo has used the election of Ahmadinejad as an excuse to ramp up the United States' heavy-handed rhetoric against Iran, citing his crackpot statements about wiping Israel "off the map", but what if the Bush administration has been planning this particular expansion of the "War on Terror" all along, or at least since we invaded Iraq and destabilized the region? Would that surprise you? Would it really?
Maybe my tin-foil hat is cutting off the circulation to my brain, but given our President's imperialist tendencies and his utter disregard for the sanctity of other sovereign nations (especially Islamic ones), would it be that much of a stretch to think that they've had designs on Iran all along? Iran's got oil, too. And by the simple math of the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld Axis of Weasels, oil plus Islamic country minus the House of Saud equals "Grave Threat in the War on Terror" and therefore we must attack.
It's been pretty distressing to me and a number of other people to see the similarity of the arguments made for attacking Iran and the now-utterly-debunked case for going to war in Iraq. We've already seen some public outcry about the dubiousness of the administration's claims against Iran, but BushCo's wheels of war seem to grind inexorably onwards.
From Salon:
Some see this gambit as representing a welcome return to coldblooded, "Great Game" realism after the wishful thinking that led to the Iraq debacle. But this is a superficial misreading. Bush's Iran ploy reeks of desperation and shortsightedness; it is no more "realistic" than his Iraq strategy. It may briefly postpone the day of reckoning by diverting Americans' attention and providing a temporary bad guy, one Bush is sure to blame when his Iraq venture completely falls apart. But it flies in the face of a historical shift, the rise of Shia and Iranian power, that Bush himself rashly set in motion, and cannot now be undone. It could lead to a shooting war, which would be utterly disastrous for U.S. interests and would set back the cause of reform in Iran by years. And by further exacerbating sectarian and ethnic tensions in the Middle East while denying, in time-honored neocon fashion, that there are actual causes for what Bush simplistically labels "extremism," it is likely to further destabilize an already-chaotic region — and empower al-Qaida, which thrives on hatred and chaos.
In effect, the Bush administration is trying to put out the flames of sectarian and ethnic hatred in Iraq, while pouring gasoline on them everywhere else. Somehow, despite the charred horror of Iraq, it does not seem to have realized that once the wildfire of sectarian hatred spreads, it is very hard to extinguish it.
Surely the author must understand by now that all NeoCons know how to do is start fires, not put them out. That's what us wussie liberals do, desperately try to clean up the apocalyptic missteps of Republican administrations.
The other thing in Libby's testimony that raised some eyebrows today was something he said about when Cheney first told him that "Wilson's wife" worked at "the Agency". Libby presented it as if it were just a glib aside from Big Dick, no context, just something he was noting in passing. Nothing to see here, people. Just passing the time with a bit if idle chit-chat about a fierce critic of the War in Iraq and his wife, a covert agent.
Right. That salt o' the earth old Gentleman Dick really was just mentioning that because he was thinking of inviting the Wilsons to the White House's annual Labor Day picnic and potluck supper. As Pach said on the phone to me earlier, "Oh, yeah. Dick Cheney's a regular Garrison Keillor, just keeping abreast of all the good folks in the neighborhood."
You know, something that has been consistently bugging me about all of this is the assertion that BushCo outed Valerie Plame to "undermine Wilson's credibility". I've never felt that this was the real reason. How would that really invalidate his message? Outing Valerie Plame was a bully tactic, a show of force that said, "Don't fuck with us. We don't care if your wife gets killed. We don't care about accurate intelligence. All that matters is that our decisions are never, ever questioned."
Doesn't that seem more in line with the way this administration operates? It wasn't aimed at the public. It was aimed squarely at Wilson and his family, the White House equivalent of a horse's head left in someone's bed.
It's no coincidence that the laws Libby is being tried under were originally set up to fight organized crime. The Bush/Cheney administration is a crime syndicate and all of their actions and reactions should be read in that light. They are not a government. They are a cartel.
Related posts:
- SCOTUS Denies Valerie Plame Wilson Her Day in Court
- Cheney’s Betrayal Made an IIPA Charge for Libby Possible
- The Taxpayers Paid Dick Cheney’s Personal Defense Attorney to Obstruct Any Inquiries Into His Crimes
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Fitz!
fitz!
TREX!!
It really was about Iran.
And it really was about Plame.
Trex! Jane Swopa Fitz
Greetings, firedogs!
I’ll be right back. I’m going out in this lovely 9 degree weather to have a cigarette.
Egypt is the prize.
makes me wonder if Scooter will take the bullet just because he’s worried about what’ll happen to his family…
doesn’t seem likely that that gang would just stop with intimidating “enemies”…
Drop a RICO prosecution on Bushco?
I’ve heard worse ideas… then again, who needs RICO and warrants and other such wastes of time. Just wiretap’em and start reading their mail. There must be a way to convince a court they’re enemy combatants.
No, I forget, you don’t need to ask a court, you just do it, right?
Well, for sure it won’t be heard on Memorex!!
Not to get off topic so soon… but did you hear that Lieberman voted against cloture on the non-binding anti-surge resolution in the Senate.
This from the gang of 14 appeaser, who insisted that Alito and Roberts get “up or down” votes.
i was thinking about a story idea, gangs going at each other, but instead of just puny pieces of turf, they had entire nations. not just soldiers with .38s in their pockets, but tanks and RPGs. whoops, not fiction. not funny.
prolley be hard to hide Scooter in a witness protection program, doncha think?
Notice Ret. Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski’s observations from 2003 (published in early 2004):
Read the rest of that linked article; makes it clear that Cheney Co. via Rumsfeld was cleaning out anybody and anything that would get in the way of their going to war on Iraq and Iran. Ask yourselves what personnel and intelligence were replaced by OSP.
This is the biggest single justification for a BINDING resolution to stop the war — because it stops this machine from going further to Iran.
dannyM @ 10
My contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside. He ain’t got the sense that God gave cabbage.
Well, since Valerie Plame was working on finding out about WMD’s in Iran, it only makes sense to get rid of her (and more importantly, the front company Brewster-Jennings) first in order to sow FUD and convince people of the need to go in there and get rid of the WMD’s.
It does not need to be said that you have insulted all cabbage.
dannyM @ 10
Joe Lieberman is a neoconservative enabler bastard. His mother told me so.
bg – got that straight, I’ve known well-aged and crocked kim chee that was far more intelligent and piquant than that spineless, flaccid excuse for a human claiming former residency in Connecticut.
BTW, gang, question for you: any of the rest of you gotten a call from Draft Gore ‘08?
;-)
Well thank the gods we have Webb here in VA…I don’t think I could stand having LIEberman as one of my senators.
Rayne @ 19
No, not yet – but I would answer that call :-)
Some actual Democrats voted for cloture?
The cabal has long, deep roots. Carlyle, SISMI, Propaganda Due, Banco Ambrosiano, Opus Dei, the Council for National Policy: they’re all in here somewhere.
Now if only I could get my tinfoil hat off so I can go to bed.
It’s no coincidence that the laws Libby is being tried under were originally set up to fight organized crime. The Bush/Cheney administration is a crime syndicate and all of their actions and reactions should be read in that light. They are not a government. They are a cartel.
I think “cabal” would be a better choice, but what do I know? *g*
TOM Hagen pays a visit to Frank Pentangeli on a military base and suggested that he commit suicide. Frank “Five Angels” Pentangeli, slashed his wrists knowing that his family would be taken care of and that this was how the ancient Romans settled these things.
Nothing personal – just business
To the last thread late, so I offer this here.
Oh my; Jane, you are (I’ve been reading Elizabeth Peters) nothing less than delightful.
Delightful in terms of your cogent analysis, your perspicacity, your unbowedness, your trappingless (if that’s a word) couching of truth to power, and your willingness to be fully present so shortly after major sugery.
You are Cheney’s black-clad afrit.
Huzzah, M’lady (Cairo, circa 1922)!
Can anyone point in the general direction of the 1 x 2 x 6 business on FDL today?
At 1PM on Jan 20, 2009, I would love to think that the next president would pick up the phone, call the DNI, and ask for an accounting of the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson.
How many people lost their lives because she and her front company were thrown to the media?
How many intelligence assets suddenly dried up?
How many potential contacts and agents suddenly backed off on cooperating after seeing what happened to Valerie?
How much have our relationships with other intelligence agencies deteriorated, because they felt they could not trust us to keep their sources and methods secret?
And I really would like to think the president could get an answer by 6 that evening.
This writer actually believes”the Bush administration is trying to put out the flames of sectarian and ethnic hatred in Iraq”With 150,000 US soldiers in Iraq and two aircraft carriers protecting shipping lines.If the GWOT expands to the entire middle east,(88% Sunni,12% Shia),Iran will lose.If oil goes to $150 to $200 a barrel,gas at $5 gallon,so be it.We all must sacrifice to support the GWOT and our troops.Right?
Marcos @ 29
Amazing what cherry flavored Kool-Aid will do to one’s brains! Sheeeze…
Kristof has a new column out relating to cheney.
Worth a peek. “Answer these questions or resign”
Mike @ 15
I think just like they offed Saddam Hussein before he could talk too much, they had to get rid of Brewster-Jennings before some of Bushie’s friends could be busted for trading in arms with Iran/Iraq.
*adjusting tinfoil hat*
The outing of Valerie Plame is a part of the neo-con cabal’s long war against the CIA, another part of which was putting Poppy in charge of the Agency back when. Can’t have unvarnished analysis and brave operatives, when what’s wanted is cooked intel. imho.
Oh, and you guys saw Swopa on Politics TV today. Tall, handsome, and charming. Am I right or what?
I think the headline writer is trying to find the range. Which usually means it’s fixing to get worser downrange.
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Maybe Cheney was trying for a twofer.
Or maybe Iran WMD expert Plame was a bigger better target all along.
TRex @ 34
prevthread:
TeddySanFran @
36
Hey TREX!!!
Didn’t Scott Ritter say that the plan was to get into Iraq, build the bases and then go after Iran. Iran has been part of the plan all along. That’s why we have the bases.
Also outing Valerie Plame also got rid of her brass plate company which was looking into stuff that the Saudis didn’t want them looking at. In on fell swoop they threatened Wilson and help thier friends the Saudis . Sounds like a two-fer for Voldemort and his lapdog Scooter.
TRex @ 34
Yes indeed….. *swoon!*
No Blood for Hubris @ 36
Or maybe just to make sure everyone who “needs to know” will add salt to the cooking if teh Boss says, “needs salt.”
TRex @ 34
You are correct, Sir!
I have marvelous taste in men, really.
To anyone interested in Al Gore running for Prez, might I suggest you read this if you have time. There’s alot more out there, plus hopefully your own memories to remind you that talk is cheap. Oh yea, and with everything’s that’s happened since, how can you really forgive the Lieberman debacle? Many were saying this in 2000 even…
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0719-32.htm
I’m just not that into Gore. Something about him has always rubbed me the wrong way.
And he did pick Loserman as his running mate.
PeterR
At 1PM on Jan 20, 2009, I would love to think that the next president would pick up the phone, call National Security Adviser Hamsher and Attorney General Hardin Smith (2), and ask for an accounting of the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson.
And I’d bet the house, President Gore could get an answer long before 6 that evening : )
TRex, you were correct about the tall and handsome one. Swoonable, TRex, certifiably swoonable.
But that doesn’t mean that other people can’t like him. I’ve just never felt passionately about him one way or the other.
TRex @ 44
It’s just we have good options this time for the primaries (Man, I wish Spinegold was running…have you seen the C&L clip today??). Of course I’ll vote for the DemocratIC candidate (even Hillary, Inc.), but just really want to be excited by whoever it is, ya know?
Yes, of course I know. The problem with Democratic centrism is that it produces candidates who are about as metabolically exciting as tepid oatmeal.
I do expect the outing of Plame was in great part a threat. “Shut up or we’ll really lower the boom.” This from cowardly liars and war-avoiders and bullies. Unlucky for them, they were threatening two brave Americans who would not be intimidated.
But the “outing” is a thready, if not downright pathetic, response. And I’m not sure they imagined that closing Brewster-Jennings would help perpetuate the myth of WMDs. Actually, I expect they believed in those WMDs. Their thought processes never went much further.
I think the outing was mostly a stupid, knee-jerk reaction by people who’d grown so comfortable in their supremacy and unaccountability that when confronted, they weren’t prepared with a response. Until then, they’d been golden. Walked on water. Stole an election. Were propped up by a rubber-stamp Congress and believed the Republican
ReichRight would be in control for decades. They had no reason to believe they were vulnerable on any count.Then, like a lightning strike, the Uppity Wilsons challenged them and refused to back down. So Cheney & Co. jerry-rigged a response, got trapped in their own lies and ineptitude, and ran straight into the tenacious, incorruptible wall of Patrick Fitzgerald.
Karma’s a bitch, if you’re a crook.
TRex @ 34
I thought you understated it.
But TRex, don’t you think, six years on from the 2000 election, we have a new and improved Gore? If he decided to run I could get behind him.
C&L’s has Feingold video up chastizing both parties – too cowardly to end the war. No more empty gestures.
bg @ 27
If you are looking for the original WP reporting, Jane linked to it in the previous post.
LoudounLib @ 52
Sigh. I dunno. I’m open to conversion, I guess, but whenever he talks, I start thinking about Mr. Garrison from South Park. I feel like he’s talking to me like I’m six years old.
Just thinking about Pach’s math in a previous fundraising discussion…
Wow, FDL with over $2 million in annual revenues?!? Talk about happy thoughts to go to sleep with! What is and has been done with a teeny, tiny fraction of that has been phenomenal. Really think that kind of cash would allow FDL to have significant influence on the political process.
Looking forward to signing up for a monthly subscription.
Peter Baker chatz at WaPoO tomorrow at 11 eastern. Questions accepted anytime.
Does anyone else think it’s odd that there’s only been ONE WaPoO chatz about the Libby trial, Jeralyn’s? Hers was great, but there are other — ahem — experts in DeeCee who could be invited….
I found it, from Swopa today. Thanks.
I think Gore would definitely be a better President now than he would have then. He has learned a great deal from that experience. He may have been cured of the particular type of insanity one has to have to run for the job in the first place.
TRex @
44
LoudounLib @ 52
I felt the same way about Gore in 2000, but I think he’s learned a lot in the past 6 years. Or maybe I’ve just gotten a better understanding of him. It would at least be a kind of justice if he finally achieved the presidency 8 years after being elected the first time.
TRex @ 55
Haha! I know what you mean. But it’s certainly no worse than the way Chimpy speaks to us in that condescending tone ;-)
I’ve been having a debate for a couple years. My point- I don’t see an error chain. All the major mistakes were extremely foreseable, and the subsequent results were foreseen by most non-ideologists. Chaos and obfuscation have proven a great medium in which to advance toward… Iran?
My friends point is that gross incompetence is very common. It’s as simple as that.
I just can’t see anyone focused on, at the time, keeping the country stable by leaving the al Qa Qaa weapons facility open for looting. Nobody can be that stupid can they? I envision that happen by order down from the top, then shifted horizontally, then down to the level that made the call to move on and abandon it- wide open. The CPA, etc, etc, etc.
Too much consistency throughout for serial incompetence.
TRex @ 49
Tepid Oatmeal. I saw them play at CBGB’s in ‘88, man. They were hot!
Hey gang,
Dennis Perrin over at Red State Son is in need of support. Could you guys and gals send him some love.
http://redstateson.blogspot.co…..surge.html
Chimpy’s tone just makes me want to hit him in the face with a cast-iron skillet.
TRex @ 64
And don’t you think FLOTUS hasn’t thought about that from time to time?
bg @ 58
I just found that too.
bonkers @ 62
They were, but really loved their warm-up act – the Kippers
OldCoastie @
12
Put him in Rio —–o (near Albuquerque). I hear it’s pretty popular with the mobbed-up types.
It’s all about the oil with this bunch. They want it, and they will do ANYTHING to get control of it. If they have to nuke the entire population of the middle east to accomplish their goal of controlling middle east oil, they will.
Hasta Manana perritos.
Muchas Gracias para Team FDL.
See you bg, wish I was there!
Late night FDL is too much fun, as always – thanks, TRex! – parting is such sweet sorrow…good night all!
Ya know, I knew Lieberman was a neo-con enabler but it is even worse than that. Look at what is posted on wingnut central – the Corner National Review online.
………………………………………
I Knew I Liked Joe Lieberman [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
He reads Mark Steyn:
Lieberman says that he does, at times, feel isolated. He is a liberal on social policy and a conservative on defense, in the bygone style of the late Senator Henry (Scoop) Jackson. “I’m the Lorax,” he said. “I’m saving that one tree.”
In another conversation, he told me that he was reading “America Alone,” a book by the conservative commentator Mark Steyn, which argues that Europe is succumbing, demographically and culturally, to an onslaught by Islam, leaving America friendless in its confrontation with Islamic extremism.
“The thing I quote most from it is the power of demographics, in Europe particularly,” Lieberman said. “That’s what struck me the most. But the other part is a kind of confirmation of what I know and what I’ve read elsewhere, which is that Islamist extremism has an ideology, and it’s expansionist, it’s an aggressive ideology. And the title I took to mean that we Americans will have ultimate responsibility for stopping this expansionism.”
02/05 08:46 PM
………………………………………
Yep – Lieberloser is getting his talking points from MARK FREAKIN STEYN. No wonder Gore lost – he had a effin snake in the grass for a running mate! I just wish we could recall the bastard!
kirk murphy @ 66
Holy mackerel! I saw the Kippers at the Smokehouse way back when. They did a great version of “Sea of Love” ;o)
Sharon @ 32
LOL! I was on the wave re: the tidy effect of trashing Plame’s intel net (thus “bad intel” told us there were WMDs in Iraq, “no intel” means we can plant evidence in Iran), but oh, the radioactive trail of Bush Friends’ arms trade in the ME!! Whoo-hoo!!
OT, but I thought Jane might enjoy this tidbit I found at onegoodmove http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gm…..70_35.html
“Mark Funkhouser for Mayor: Poodle Video
Many candidates for public office include animals in their political ads. Mark has taken it one step further he has made a poodle the star.”
http://funkhouserformayor.blog…..video.html
I can’t vouch for cuteness, since it won’t play on dial-up, but I trust Norm in these matters.
Give Jane my best with her recovery. (just a drive-by here) My sis is battling breast cancer as well right now. Hope the vid brings a smile.
peace,
BQ
BTW here is a sample of Mark Steyn’s work … someone should ask Lieberman if he agrees with it (and this excerpt is tame).
http://corner.nationalreview.c…..dhMWQyYzI=
omg OT astronaut drama.
Kristof questions Cheney in the Times:
Can you imagine the cross-x from Fitz?
TeddySanFran @ 79
too weird, innit?
No Blood for Hubris @
36
No Brewster-Jennings, no reliable intel, we can make up anything we want as an excuse to go to war in Iran. What happened to all those other people who worked there? And the assests they had in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan? Right now everyone’s operating under the assumption that this was a petty, gang-that-couldn’t-shoot-straight mishap driven by a desire to silence critics. But what if it was really quite purposeful, designed to effectively blind our intelligence capabilities? Will we ever know what the real consequences were of outing Plame?
Hey – really sorry if I am late to the party, but I noticed this in a WP article. Will Libby testify or not?
“Late last night, Libby’s defense began laying the groundwork to keep Libby from having to testify. Walton had warned that Libby would have to take the stand in order for the court to allow his lawyers to claim his misstatements to investigators were caused by a faulty or overtaxed memory.
In court papers filed last night, though, Libby’s attorneys argued that he should be allowed to present evidence of the “crush of his duties,” including by having Cheney describe them on the witness stand, without being forced to testify on his own behalf.”
WP article
Didn’t Walton say it would be suicide if Libby didn’t testify?
So lieberME thinks he’s the Lorax, eh? Must have been a typo since Borax is more appropiate. Via Wiki:
Borax is also used: “…as an ingredient of Slime.”
Well, that certainly works.
and Borax the word comes from: “…the Yiddish word “borachs,” meaning rented furniture.”
Nuff said…
Rayne @
13
go to C&L and watch the Russ Feingold “Countdown” clip just up. He’s challenged the Republicans and the Democrats to do just this. Beautifully said. Feingold should be the President in ‘09. Period.
The last thing the ‘w’ team wanted was an
in depth investigation which would lead to
the uncovering of their motives for invading
Iraq. The ‘outing’ of a CIA agent shows
several things. First, their claim to be
more patriotic than anyone else is now
officially in the crapper. Second, their
‘evidence’ (WMD and ties to Al Queda) was
just a house of cards. Third, these chicken
hawks are real panicky. The Clinton Adminis-
tration was accused of being ‘poll sensitive’
and too political. The decision to invade
Iraq was a purely political decision. Rove,
not Cheney and not ‘w’ is the ‘decider’ in
this administration.
Hey folks, TRex just sent me a text message that the toobz just clogged up at his Dad’s and it looks like he’s off-line for the rest of the evening.
Say good night to our favorite theropod.
It is too f***ing cold out.
Why couldn’t we have had this weather some week *other* than the week I start my first full week of my temp project?
Jr. hangs onto every thread he can. He has doomed thousands of Americans to their death. Even more (by a mile) Iraqis. He goes back in his mind about how many lives are on his hands because of his poor judgments. He is thinking about Dick. He is thinking about his circle. He truly is in a bubble – and he won’t deny it. He would actually explain it.
Shit for brains keeps telling him that he needs to make this war an American value – making their sacrifice important.
The guy who dies tonight has to be dying for a reason. Well – he is. And its the most important reason of all. We are a country that is under a rule of law. The commander in chief has determined he should be there. The law backs that. America will back that with all their support. But, just as in all previous conflicts we (him/her and the American people) will decide how to decide when its time for us to say “its over”.
I think Cheney wants to say, you can’t say when its over.
OT, sorta:
Just got home from Keplers, a bookseller in Menlo Park, with my signed copy of Richard Clarke’s new novel, “BreakPoint”. Brief, but excellent talk with the author.
And Keplers will be getting “Anatomy of Deceit” soon… not soon enough.
Watertiger celebrates Colin Powell Day.
Poor Scooter Libby has to choose between falling on his sword or stepping on his Dick.
-GSD
tryggth @ 89
And I’m pretty sure that is the definition of hell. Pretty sure.
TeddySanFran @
91
Dang…that WT always gives good graphic.
old Gentleman Dick is “salt o’ the earth” for our foreign policy in the way the Romans were to Carthage.
NPR | Talk of the Nation | 2/5/7
Libby Trial Reveals Workings of White House, Media
The Scooter Libby trial has exposed a White House eager to get its side of the story out and journalists equally eager to develop and maintain sources at the highest level of government.
Guests: Marcy Wheeler, blogging the Libby trial for firedoglake.com; also writes for the political blogs the Next Hurrah and the Daily Kos; author of Anatomy of Deceit: How the Bush Administration Used the Media to Sell the Iraq War and Out a Spy
Byron York, White House correspondent for National Review
Somehow, despite the charred horror of Iraq, it does not seem to have realized that once the wildfire of sectarian hatred spreads, it is very hard to extinguish it.
from a different context (Peter Gabriel singing about Steven Biko’s torture death in S. Africa in 1977):
Fog City Journal is reporting that Senator Feinstein is due to call on Gavin Newsom to resign. She’s his political godmother (one of them) so this is big, if true….
TeddySanFran @ 37
oops:
Garbo @
82
But what if it was really quite purposeful, designed to effectively blind our intelligence capabilities?
I can’t come up with any other more acceptable explanation than this for the amateur, dunder-headed, arrogantly conspicuous mistakes that allowed other govts to track the CIA/private corporation people on the extraordinary rendition.
What if only their aliases and breadcrumbs were CIA and the rest was actually a plan to further debilitate our foreign intel agencies?
The Aspen Institute’s meeting in 2003 addressed specifically these issues (with Judy Miller, William Perry, James Woolsey, and others attending). You can read about it the online Aspen Institute paper: “In Search of an American Grand Strategy for the Middle East.” The papers came out of a related seminar and published on the Aspen Institute Website (link below). P. 12 addresses this very issue asking the questions:
-how applicable is the U.S. use of force as exhibited in the Iraq case to situations in Iran and Syria?
-Is it possible to contemplate descreet or surgical military options when considering Iran’s nuclear program?
Someone with a stomach for it should disembowel Woolsey’s piece here. He talks of wider regional concerns (nuclear & biological) and possible threats to our oil supply. He pejoratively references populations in the region (p.29) as “Islamists” (which he defines as “a totalitarian movement masquerading as a religion.” (hmmm – and US religious nuts?). He pushes for “democracy” in the region as a cure-all. On p. 36 he describes the need for a “Palestinian state that is as tolerant of Jews as Israel is of its Arab minority.” Hmmm. Woolsely concludes by noting US can implement a broader Middle East strategy; “it is a question not of ability but of will.” (where have we heard that since?)
In Kenneth POllack’s piece which follows, we “learn” (p.44) that Iran may have a nuclear program in as little as 2 or 3 years (hmmmm) & that because it is hidden no foreign intelligence service can get a good read on it. (hmmmm – then how did he get the estimate?). He considers the major threat of this program, the driving of the Americans out of the Persian Gulf. (hmmmm). On p. 46 he suggests as one of the U.S. options to undertake a “covert action to sabotage the Iranian nuclear program” (hmmmm) while also noting that such a plan might have a high probability of backfiring. (Hmmmm).
The piece-de-resistance is Judith Miller’s contribution (beginning p.51). She notes our “resounding success” over Saddam Hussein in “America’s first preventive war.” She observes too that Americans now are supportive of Bush’s preventive war policies, describing the “patriotic, if often ill-informed, Americans, the ultimate pragmatists…” coming together on this issue. (Judith, why were they ill-informed on the war? Hmmmm). She also discusses the missing WMD in Iraq (blaming pre-war intelligence). (Hmmmm, Joe Wilson & Valerie Plame?). She takes up as well the dogged MET units which ferreted out information from scientists and others on other programs. (through torture??). She takes up Iran’s nuclear threat too, arguing that Hezbollah has killed more & more Americans, and so it is a specific threat to us. NOt surprisingly she argues for the US to continue the practice of “embedding journalists” because they are important in building Administration credibility and public support (Hmmm, right. And Judith who else did you bed with here?).
Alas, there is much more:
http://www.aspeninstitute.org/atf/cf/{DEB6F227-659B-4EC8-8F84-8DF23CA704F5}/ASPEN_GRANDSTRATEGY1.PDF
Kristoff (NYT) shoots off a flare Via Laura Rozen:
Nick Kristof has some questions for Vice President Cheney, concerning the Libby case:
…What did you mean when you wrote, in a note to Scott McClellan that has been entered into evidence, “not going to protect one staffer sacrifice the guy the Pres (the Pres crossed out). that was asked to stick his head in the meat grinder because of incompetence of others.”
First, you wrote that it was “the Pres.” who had asked Mr. Libby to do this, and then you crossed out those two words. Did President Bush indeed ask that Mr. Libby take charge of the effort to discredit Ambassador Wilson? And is it true, as was hinted at in the trial, that the White House tried to block the release of this document?
You’ll remember it was Kristof’s two columns channeling Wilson’s critique of the White House’s case for war that set off the whole thing.
IS Gavin Newsom related to Tommy of Tonight Show fame?
-GSD
Senator Harry Reid is sending out requests for supporters to sign his petition asking Senators to allow debate on Iraq.
please consider
http://www.giveemhellharry.com…..filibuster
whig-guy @ 103
an aside: Larry Johnson surmises that the Pincus article was the catalyst:
Pincus Lit the Fuse on the Plamegate Bomb
Skippy’s none too happy with the new blog roll policy at DKos.
for Ed*ard Teller:
Long Post, please forgive.
How it got personal between Cheney and Wilson
First, an orienting glossary:
Uranium Claim – Iraq sought/purchased 500 tons of pure Uranium (Yellowcake) from Niger.
Niger Dossier – A collection of documents purporting to substantiate the Uranium Claim. It was the Niger Dossier that was used to back the famous 16-words.
Wilson’s Report – Wilson goes to Niger in Feb. 2002, as part of a response to OVP’s request for more information on the Uranium Claim. Wilson, a former ambassador in Africa, DEBUNKS the Uranium Claim. He makes a negative verbal report, which gets written-up later at the CIA and forwarded on to OVP. Information on Wilson’s trip stays inside the CIA and doesn’t get shared with the foreign intelligence community, including the British.
Meanwhile, Bush and Cheney are beating the War Drum and launching the run-up to the War.
Bush and Cheney know that the only way they can justify a pre-emptive invasion is to raise the spectre of a Terrorist State with a Nuclear Weapon.
Enter the Niger Dossier. A file with about 10 documents in it that appear to show elements of an ‘accord’ for Iraq to purchase Uranium in two 250 ton shipments.
Into the Oct 2002 NIE went the Niger Dossier as the primary justification for the Uranium Claim that showed Iraq was circumventing UN sanctions to reconstitute its Nuclear Weapons Program.
Bush gives the SOTU on Jan. 28, 2003 and says the 16-Words.
Joseph Wilson sits up straight in his chair – Why? He absolutely KNEW the Uranium Claim was FALSE.
The IAEA challenges Bush’s Niger Uranium Claim, and the Niger Dossier (less one document) gets sent for analysis. Within a few days, the IAEA calls a press conference and declares the Niger Dossier FAKE – they are all forgeries, and apparently pretty bad forgeries.
Remember, this is Feb after the SOTU in Jan but BEFORE the invasion on Mar 20.
Bush and Cheney have just had their PRIMARY RATIONALE for the pre-emptive invasion taken away from them.
What do they do????
They decide they need a Second Stream of Intel that INDEPENDENTLY confirms the Uranium Claim. The Niger Dossier may be full of forgeries, they reason, but that doesn’t mean the transaction couldn’t be shown to have REALLY taken place by USING ANOTHER SOURCE.
They go back to the archives in the CIA and find Joe Wilson’s report – the one they haven’t told anyone in the intelligence community about.
One problem – Wilson’s report DEBUNKS the Uranium Claim. Bush and Cheney need SUPPORT for the Uranium Claim.
No Problem. Somebody really powerful, like Cheney, has the Wilson Report ‘masked’ as a ’sensitive source’ and then ’swallowed’ in an Analytical Memo that ‘cherry-picks’ the Wilson Report and ’shape-shifts’ it to SUPPORT the Uranium Claim. Now, the papered-over Wilson Report is called the ‘verbatim report’ and is promoted as the SECOND STREAM of Intel that INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIES the Uranium Claim in the 16-Words.
This is done in Feb after the IAEA declares the Niger Dossier a Fake full of forgeries.
Around Mar 8, a dozen days before the War, the DIA produces a ‘concurrence’ memo that supports the SECOND STREAM. This memo, still classified, is of great interest because it is thought to be THE ONLY DIA memo of many that says the Wilson Report SUPPORTS the Uranium Claim. This memo is thought to have been produced by the same ‘pressure’ that produced the CIA Analysis Memo – most likely Cheney.
Now, it’s the eve of War. Bush and Cheney were SO SURE that they were going to invade and find WMDs that all they wanted was the THINNEST pretext for invasion. They weren’t looking for rigorous intel work-ups – they needed an excuse.
It didn’t matter to them that they had hijacked Wilson’s Report and DOCTORED it, and then had it ‘confirmed’ with the DIA memo – the bare minimum to vette intel – they JUST KNEW that within a few weeks they’d be flying Bush over for photos standing next to the centrifuges. They were absolutely certain the WMDs were there – no doubt in their mind. Who’s going to pay attention to Wilson when the most evil tyrant since Hitler gets found with WMDs?
So, we invade.
No WMDs.
Honestly, the only way to explain Joe Wilson’s behavior is that he acted like a man who SAW TREASON afoot. He KNEW the Uranium claim was FALSE, and he KNEW there were multiple official documents that would have gone to Cheney that let the VP know the Uranium Claim was DEBUNKED.
Wilson is a source for Kristof’s May 6 article – an unnamed former ambassador didn’t find any evidence of the Uranium Claim back in 2002.
Cheney sits up straight – someone’s on to us! He directs Libby to find out more about the ‘former ambassador.’ Libby speaks to his CIA briefer, some others and Marc Grossman to get details of Wilson’s trip. Grossman collects some info and sends it through channels to Cheney, the famous INR Memo, that says Joe Wilson’s wife, Valerie Wilson, works at the CIA in the counter-proliferation division. This is early June.
Cheney is getting press inquiries about Wilson’s trip to Niger from Pincus. At some point, Cheney starts thinking that Wilson might go public to dispute the Uranium Claim.
Cheney’s concern is that Wilson might say something like: “What I DIDN’T find in Africa,” which would likely LEAD TO the deception behind the ‘verbatim report’ – that Cheney had taken Wilson’s Report and shamelessly used a CIA Analysis Memo to make it say just the opposite of what it actually reported, and then had a ‘covering’ memo chipped-in by DIA (that’s Donald Rumsfeld’s crew).
So, you see – Wilson KNOWS the Truth about Cheney’s deception, and Cheney KNOWS he knows.
Wilson publishes his Op-Ed July 6th – “What I Didn’t Find in Africa.”
What does Cheney do?
He organizes a LEAK CAMPAIGN to the Press:
On the Record: OVP had nothing to do with Wilson’s trip and didn’t know the results.
On Background: The 16-Words were the fault of the CIA.
Off the Record: Wilson’s wife works at the CIA and she sent him on a boondoggle to Africa – can you say *nepotism*?
They’re going to distance Cheney from the Uranium Claim, pin the 16-Words on the CIA, and SMEAR Wilson’s integrity and character (off the record – a ‘whispering’ campaign).
Cheney sends his minions, Rove and Libby, to spread the word.
It’s worth pointing out here – Cheney, Libby, Rove – all of them – thought that Valerie Plame Wilson was a desk-jockey in the Analytical Department, and not an under-cover, real, live CIA Agent.
So, Rove and Libby take their places behind the protective shield of Confidential Sources to our Free Press – and start LEAKING to their best Media Shills. They are putting out the three talking points above, smearing away, and Novak writes his Article naming Valerie Plame as Wilson’s wife, who works at the CIA on weapons of mass destruction issues.
Without realizing it, Libby and Rove – in their attempt to smear Wilson – out Valerie and her CIA front company Brewster-Jennings.
That triggers the investigation, which enabled Fitz to lower, with the Supreme Court’s help, the Shields – where he found the cowering Libby and Rove clutching the talking points from Cheney.
So, to summarize – Why does Cheney ‘out’ Valerie? To smear Wilson’s character and ruin his credibility. Why? Because he KNOWS Wilson KNOWS that Cheney deceived the Nation when he INVENTED A SUPPORTING SECOND STREAM OF INTEL based on Wilson’s own DEBUNKING Report.
Cheney KNEW that Wilson’s claim that the Administration ‘twisted’ intelligence to support a decision already made to go to War – was tantamount to being accused of TREASON.
The one thing Cheney didn’t bargain for was Wilson’s wife being a real, live CIA Agent.
Just in case you were thinking of pulling out that old Blue Oyster Cult.
The Bush/Cheney administration is a crime syndicate and all of their actions and reactions should be read in that light.
THANK you.
As I’ve said before, Dick Cheney is just one fluffy cat and a monocle short of a Bond villain. Criminals, all.
I have news, dear TRex. E-me!
No language is too beyond the pale when talking about Iran. In Britain, there’s a growing coalition trying to ensure that Blair doesn’t dump it on his successor. (This may, at least, mean that any US action takes place after Blair’s gone, but I wouldn’t put it past these fuckers to force the hand of whoever follows.)
It is crazy talk. It would turn the US into a self-admitted global pariah. And if it happens, I will be drawing on my insurance policy of last resort: an open-ended one-way ticket out of the US.
Kristof’s just supplied it. That’s a warning shot from someone who knows more than he’s told.
Richmond @ 102
That should scare the bejeebus out of those who haven’t paid attention. Excellent but depressing comment.
I see a lot of conevenient coincidences and Woolsey is one that brings it full circle with AEI/Cheney, the SWIFT surveillance of global finance-(illegal? surveillance by BushCo and controlled by Booz-Allen, the only auditor), PNAC, SAIC(?)/Gates and more that I have to look up to make sure I have them right.
Is ‘the late’ M Ledeen off in a dark corner whackin’ off in his excitement for long term destruction?
The growing calls about preventing an attack against Iran seem to be signaling something going on beneath the surface.
Not only will the US be a pariah, the world with go into economic shock.
-GSD
Digby has the latest Lieberman monstrosity. He of course conflates Iran with Bin Ladenism.
Please Joe rip off the mask and show us the tanned face of Richard Nixon already.
-GSD
From Talk Left – re Libby taking the stand
radiofreewill @ 109 – that’s a good narrative. compare and contrast with No Blood for Hubris @36 and Garbo @ 82, among others upthread (i.e. sabatoging Brewster-Jennings and Iranian WMD intel was the real goal in order to remove an impedident to the pre-determined plan to attack Iran).
It’s no coincidence that the laws Libby is being tried under were originally set up to fight organized crime. The Bush/Cheney administration is a crime syndicate and all of their actions and reactions should be read in that light. They are not a government. They are a cartel.
TRex, you are a prophet and one more guardian of the Truth here at FDL. Man, those four sentences smack of our sad, sad reality. Jesus. It’s too effing depressing to think that these scheming, greedy, retaliatory fuckwads are at the pinnacle of our governance.
Someone tell me it’s going to get better. Please.
I got all excited last thread because the text version of Libby’s calendar didn’t mention the St. Regis meeting. Now that I’ve downloaded the pdf version I see it’s written in by hand on that one.
Nevermind. Tow/aka/Emily Litella
I Wish They All Could Be Driftglass.
Jeralyn’s link to that filing makes me wonder if the defence is going to call anyone.
As Jane & Swopa said, the strategy so far has been to nitpick the prosecution witnesses. The ’scapegoat for Unka Karl’ line looks more and more like a punt, unless they’re putting the fucker on the stand.
Walton may be creating room for appeal with his insistence that Libby has to testify if the memory defence has any weight, but the prosecution’s having to work with the assumption that he’ll testify when introducing state-of-mind evidence, and Jeralyn’s obviously got her defence head on.
So, what happens after Timmeh? I really haven’t a clue.
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Citizen Trex and the Firepup Patriots:
“It’s no coincidence that the laws Libby is being tried under were originally set up to fight organized crime.”
What’s the chance of a RICO indictment namimg the Bush family, the Chaney family, Carlyle and Haliburton? I asked this last year and got a lotta “fart blossoms” in response. It seems that a combination of Waxman hearings and Fitz indictments might prod the congress to enable a special prosecutor…don’tcha think?
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET THE BASTARDS INTO YER YARD!!
RBG @
120
what Ailes you, friend?
The Swiftboating of Barack Obama continues apace.
Swiftboating Barack.
-GSD
Ok, this is, like, the 6th time in the last 3 months that a little-noticed amendment has been snuck into a bill, leaving people “horrified” and “unaware”. It wasn’t that funny the first time. Is our lawmakers reading these bills? Or is their heads too far up their asses.
punaise @
123
Dang, that was my next one.
How about storing nuts in her head?
Mocha Dem @ 116
It seems Team Libby has blinked. About Libby taking the stand anyway. Well, well, well. It’s gonna get awfully warm in DC in the next two weeks, and I ain’t talking ’bout the weather.
Except, it’s that high school where people maliciously end other people’s careers, and detention is really prison.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 125
I wouldn’t put too much blame on “our” lawmakers. Remember, all of these date from the time when Republicans would rewrite bills in conference, schedule late night votes leaving a few hours to read hundreds of pages of legislation, and hold open votes for arm-twisting. One can argue that it would be better to vote down everything under those circumstances, but lawmakers need to deliver something for their constituents, and these things are a lot harder to explain to people who aren’t watching as closely as we are.
Modern Republicans are always more evil than you imagine, even after adjusting for this rule.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 128
And thousands are being killed every Friday night at the football game.
Or there’s Worst Piece of Shit We Have Ever Seen. While you’re there, click back to the home page for a little Tubthumping.
punaise @ #108,
yeah, that sortaworks for a scenario. notable, inD
eed.Topanga-lib @
38
This is precisely correct. Hey folks, if you want to know about what the NeoCons battle plan is, their Project for a New American Century is Required Reading!!! More specifically,
Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century
September 2000
Established in the spring of 1997, the Project for the New American Century is a nonprofit,
educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership.
The Project is an initiative of the New Citizenship Project. William Kristol is chairman
of the Project.
See Wikipedia for a good review of PNAC, as does William Rivers Pitt’s essay.
There are older pubs from these neo-Nazis– particularly their 1998 letter to Clinton, which focuses on Iraq and doesn’t mention Iran.
Iran has clearly been on the PNAC mind for a while. Already in 2003 Mark Gaffney was asking if war on Iran was next.
I haven’t combed past issues of Willam Kristol’s Weekly Standard, but I’ll bet there’s plenty in there about Iran, from an early date.
Bob in HI
Mike @
15
This is the really interesting angle. Did Cheney want to out Plame, not in order to trivialize Joe Wilson for publishing his op-ed piece, but because Plame refused to go along with the Neocon smoke and mirrors about Iran? That her assessment of Iranian capabilities wasn’t hysterical enough for their tastes?
Now that she can’t work in that division any more, who has replaced her?
Bob in HI
Haven’t read all comments yet, somebody may have mentioned that outing Plame also takes her off the nuclear proliferation studies she was conducting in Iran.
Now I’ll go read what everybody else said.
This is my first visit to this blog, I like the article. My two cents: whether or not they are planning to actually attack Iran or just trying to bluff them, 1) the American junta is definitely engaged in provocative, dangerous acts like bringing a lot of military might into the region, and 2) we need to act pre-emptively as a nation to try to make absolutely certain that Bush cannot go off the deep end and attack Iran, too.
The problem with this: the Democratic leadership, particularly Hoyer and Hillary Clinton, also believe that all options should remain “on the table” – this would seem to rule out any sort of congressional intervention.
excuse me for bursting in before reading the entire thread (or post). i was just blown away by the ‘wiping israel off the map’ link. to perpetuate this lie is horrid and inaccurate. to link to the worlddailynet is so abhorent i can’t quite absorb it w/out wanting to wretch.
juan cole made it perfectly clear, as did numerous other translators that the actual translation was ” “This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.”.
i can relate because there is nothing more i would like than for the regime in the current WH to vanish from the page of time, as it surely will.
nonetheless, please, let us not ad to the propaganda by repeating the lies they create and promote.
ok, back to the post.. i just couldn’t hear that lie one more time.
TRex @
34
you are so right, i perked up immediately
TeddySanFran @
79
Very intriguing, Teddy.
Not sure if the singer is wearing diapers a’la Ms. Nowak…
RBG @ 110
BOC?? This morning it was FogHat. What is with the music here?? Am I now to believe people admit to listening to BOC??
Guten morgen.
After Libby is found guilty and then inevitably pardoned by Bush, it will be interesting to see if post-pardon he becomes deservedly marginalized by all in the GOP, or will he instead quietly but rapidly resuscitate his career and become more successful than ever….? I’m betting on the latter.
http://theangryliberal.blogspot.com/
Greetings!
A quote from WorldNetDaily???
With the likes of Juan Cole available, you go to that neocon rag to get serious assessments of Iran, Official Enemy of the USA and Axis of Evil leader-nation???
Verily, you must be jesting!!!!
Why not ask David Horowitz or Alan Dershowitz what they think of Chomsky and hail their answers as sober and rational critique!!!
February 6, 2007
Mr. Cheney, Tear Down This Wall
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
At the Republican National Convention in 2000 that nominated him for vice president, Dick Cheney told a rapturous crowd that Democrats “will offer more lectures, and legalisms, and carefully worded denials. We offer another way, a better way, and a stiff dose of truth.”
So, Mr. Cheney, now that the Scooter Libby trial is raising doubts about your own integrity, you owe the nation an explanation. Here are a few questions to help frame your explanation of your activities:
Mr. Vice President, did you push Mr. Libby to dig into Joe Wilson’s background and discredit him? Mr. Libby made such a major effort to gather materials from the C.I.A. and State Department about Mr. Wilson — both before and after you told him on June 12, 2003, that his wife worked at the C.I.A. — that it seems likely that you commanded the effort. True?
What did you mean when you wrote, in a note to Scott McClellan that has been entered into evidence, “not going to protect one staffer sacrifice the guy the Pres. that was asked to stick his head in the meat grinder because of incompetence of others.”
First, you wrote that it was “the Pres.” who had asked Mr. Libby to do this, and then you crossed out those two words. Did President Bush indeed ask that Mr. Libby take charge of the effort to discredit Ambassador Wilson? And is it true, as was hinted at in the trial, that the White House tried to block the release of this document?
When you discussed Joe Wilson with Mr. Libby on Air Force Two on July 12, 2003, what instructions did you give him?
Trial testimony indicates that on that flight, Mr. Libby looked over some questions a reporter had sent in about Mr. Wilson and then said: “Let me go talk to the boss and I’ll be back.” After consulting with you, Mr. Libby later called reporters to feed them a skewed version of Mr. Wilson’s trip.
Mr. Cheney, on that plane, did you specifically tell Mr. Libby to leak to reporters the fact that Mr. Wilson’s wife worked at the C.I.A.?
Deborah Bond of the F.B.I. has testified that Mr. Libby acknowledged in one of his interviews that on that flight, he might have talked to you about whether to tell the news media about Valerie Wilson. So did he?
Since Mr. Libby is renowned for his caution, it seems highly unlikely that he would have leaked classified information twice to reporters right after talking to you, unless you had sanctioned the leak.
During the leak investigation, were you aware that Mr. Libby was telling the F.B.I. apparently false information?
You rode to work with him nearly every day in your limousine, and the issue never came up? Or did you ask Mr. Libby to protect you because you didn’t want it known that in fact you were the one who had told him about Ms. Wilson? Was there some other information you wanted kept secret?
Were you trying to cover up your own reliance on misinformation about Iraqi W.M.D. by blaming the C.I.A. and anybody else within range, like Mr. Wilson?
More than anybody, Mr. Vice President, you made the argument in the run-up to the war that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. And one senses, in the indictment and the trial testimony, that by the early summer of 2003, there was panic in your office that the W.M.D. had failed to materialize.
So when Ambassador Wilson came forward, you seem to have been infuriated. You tried to blame the C.I.A., and then your office tried to discredit Mr. Wilson by arguing that he had simply enjoyed a junket arranged by his wife.
Robert Grenier, a C.I.A. official, told the court that he thought the White House was “trying to avoid responsibility for positions that they took with regard to the truth about whether or not Iraq had attempted to acquire uranium from Niger.” So did this all arise from an attempted cover-up?
So when are you going to come clean?
When Richard Nixon was accused of misusing campaign contributions in 1952, he gave his famous Checkers speech. When questions rose about Spiro Agnew’s conduct in 1973, he repeatedly addressed them in public. (Look, you know you’re in trouble when the press tries to hold you to the same standards of transparency and integrity as Nixon and Agnew.)
I’m not accusing you of committing a crime. But there are serious questions here, and you owe the nation not legalisms, but that “stiff dose of truth.” If you continue to stonewall, then you don’t belong in office and you should resign.
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Citizen Publius:
“…all neo-cons know how to do is start fires, not put them opur.you meaqn like viet nam“
You been workin’ on a sense a humor, right , ‘cuz yer sense of history is all fucked up. Viet Nam was the creature of the original American fascists, Dulles, grampa Prescott Bush and all the cold warrior progeny of the “America Firsters”. As a Viet Nam vet, I won’t truck any revisionist bullshit about “my war”.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T TALK ABOUT STUFF THAT’S BEYOND YOU!!
NorskeFlamethrower @
145
Up doin your pt Norske?
Norske!
How are you doing?
Good morning, pups. It’s all chilly again here, so Gen. Beauregard Lee (our version of Punxatawney Phil) may have been overly optimistic… Today in the NYT Nicholas Kristof asks Lord Voldemort for an explanation, and Stacy Shiff loses her temper a bit.
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
Tea… I must have tea… {stumbles away from computer}
Mornin’ all! brrrrrrrrrrr… 7 degrees…
NorskeFlamethrower @
146
Hey Norske
I have a buddy from Chicago that was in the 101st. After a few years stateside he moved to Sweden. That’s not you is it?
G’morning pupsters!
Listening to Dems slam the Bush budget plan this morning on CSPAN. Nice to hear some realism for a change.
“This budget is just disconnected from reality.”
TRex,
Don’t you dinosaurs have a second brain at the base of your spine? Doesn’t that function as a substitute if the circulation to the head-brain is cut off?
Inquiring (mammalian) minds want to know.
Marion in Savannah @ 149
Gen. Beauregard Lee is certainly easier to pronounce.
Cold here! Waaaahh! I want my spring!
$625 billion for private military contractors, ahem, ehrrmm, that is defense spending!
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Citizens egregious and raven:
I been workin’ tanight so I took a couple a shots for the night owls…and no, I didn’t have the courage ta move ta Sweden (how could ya say such a thing!! LOL) or Canada before they drafted me so it seemed kinda backwards ta move after I’d given ‘em three years a my life and a big chunk a my soul.
And raven, my Evac Hospital supported both the First Cav and the 101 when they first got there…it was a grand time!!
KEEP THE FAITH BROTHERS, WE STILL GOT SOME WORK TA DO…WE CAN’T LET THESE KIDS DOWN NOW!!!
I remember reading an article several weeks ago that we had a week of bitter cold coming. It didn’t come right away as the article said, but I guess this would be it.
I hope I can find my Thermos when I get to work. I’m not used to having one with me, so it left my hands somewhere between my desk and the car.
Cheney is guilty, guilty, guilty! But his evil will usurp justice.
Rick B @ 153
No, it wasn’t a second “brain.” Just a swelling of nerve tissue. One of my favorites to debunk when I was giving dinosaur school programs when I was curator of education at a museum.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 156
I don’t understand the comment about comparing Iraq to Vietnam. I saw no comparison to Vietnam in TRex’s article. Did someone else say that?
National Journal on CSPAN: It’s interesting that you don’t ever hear anyone call in and say, first thang: “I support the President one-hunnert percent!” anymore. That was pretty much their argument for everything.
Waccamaw, come on back, hon, so we can compare CSPAN notes!
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Citizen mandrake:
See comment #146 we had a drive-by troll attack but he didn’t hit nuthin’.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION, NOW WE GOTTA GO GIVE THE DEMOCRATS ANOTHER DOSE A TESTOSTERONE!!
Hubby cracks me up. He doesn’t post much, but apparently was up late last night and had this to offer about the weather and the school cancellation…
NorskeFlamethrower @ 161
Gotcha
Crap, people still blaming Clinton for everything. Jeez, get of the obsession. I think the wingnuts must actually have a crush on him, they can’t stop talking about him.
Hey, wingnuts, in all honesty, is it really all about wishing you were Monica? I mean, we all know about your proclivities for closeted gayness.
Okay, Group Captain Lionel Mandrake, reporting for duty!
Have a good ‘un, all. Will be checking in laterz.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 156
Hey Norske, I asked this before but it may have gotten lost, shoot me an email markann at hotmail dot com . I was a remf truck driver 68-69.
Good God, how did our country morph into this mess? Bush is now going to outsource money for COPS programs in America as crime is rising to offer Iraqi’s a New Deal pogrom that will go into the corrupt and fattened pockets of mega-merc-industrial congloms in Texas.
No wonder former astronauts are wearing diapers in public and plannning kidnappings.
-GSD
GSD @ 167
This country hasn’t morphed into anything, same as it ever was!
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Citzen raven:
I’m afraid I was there back in the bow and arrow dayz (1966-67)…you musta been there fer Tet, huh? What a grand time that musta been…I jest missed it.
KEEP THE FAITH BROTHER, WE’RE GUNNA GET ONE MORE SHOT ATOM BEFORE THIS IS OVER
annie @ 137
Thanks for pointing this out annie, it was the one thing that jumped out at me on TRex’s otherwise great post. I too am bugged this lie keeps getting repeated, I equate it with Condi’s mushroom cloud claim, both lies are nothing but purposely inflammatory.
Morning All! An artic -4 degrees here by Lansing, brrrrrrrrr.
Need to take off for the day.
I used to be able to post comments here from my Sidekick, but now I get an error message. Not sure why that is.
New post at my blog, by the way.
Looking forward to catching up on all things Libby tonight after work.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 169
Negative, I was in the 7th ID on the Korean DMZ for Tet, the Pueblo and the Blue House raid. They sent me to Korea because I went in on my 17th birthday and you know how they were. After 2 months at Ft Lewis I knew I had to got to the Nam or Canada so I took the easy way out.
Ahmadinejad said Israel would go the way of the USSR, that didn’t end in an armageddon…..just a pfftt…..But that talking point is a much harder sell for Newt Gingrich and Bibi Netanyau.
-GSD
Iraqi Gunmen seize Iranian diplomat
Not meaning to be rude, but, well, duh. This was the PNAC agenda long before 9/11. Iraq was always intended to be just the beginning. See, for example, this New Yorker article from April 2003. It quotes a senior British official: “Everyone wants to go to Baghdad. Real men want to go to Tehran.”
And quotes Perle as saying that the invasion sends a two-word message: “You’re next”.
Hey! That Swopa is a HOTTIE!
Then again, so’s Jane . . . and Christy . . . and TRex . . . and Pach . . . and everyone else affiliated with FDL . . .
BTW, those video roundups are great.
Regarding the New Yorker article of April 2003 ref’d above; it is unfortunate that Richard Perle, William Kristol, Mort Kondrake, Barnes, Bush, Cheney, Rupert Murdoch and the remainder of that chickenhawk crowd did not volunteer to go over there then as maybe this problem would not be raising its ugle head now! Such morons; do not consider diplomatic channels, just bomb the hell out of them and ask questions later!
Good morning! Bright & chilly in Motown. All fo the schools are closed because it’s so cold.
Ok, this is a weird little article Teddy found.
TeddySanFran @
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Nick Barnes @
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And with that in mind, anyone who looked at a map could see what a set-up the Afghanistan-Iraq action has been. Iran is right between them.
Raven… try here re: yesterday’s gabbly
http://gabbly.com/private/firepups/doglake
Mornin’ Firepups,
so sorry I missed Norkse – always a bloggy treat
you know I’ve long believed that all these folks are so intellectually hot and dazzling that should one of them in reality, bear a striking resemblance to Jabba the Hut, I’d never notice and would blather on like a star struck school girl meeting a Beatle
and no Swopa, I was not referring to your appearance ! in fact picked up a surprisingly wholesome vibe along with the intellect and hotness from the youtube – oh the earnestness, it burns ! : )
Yes, the pictures of the various FDL big wigs go a long way to dispelling the notion of bloggers being “20 year old dirty hippies”. Hot lookin’ snazzy dressers, I’d say!
(she says this while still in her bathrobe… damn, it’s cold this morning! I’m trying to find enough layers of clothing so I can go out and run some errands. I may end up looking like the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man, minus the goofy sailor hat and ascot).
Such morons; do not consider diplomatic channels, just bomb the hell out of them and ask questions later!
They would be morons if their goal was actual peace and happiness for the region. Sadly, that’s not the case.
The neo-cons goals are all about raping the land of it’s resources, and making Billions if not Trillions of dollars from these efforts, through oil and military-industrial contracts.
If hundreds of thousands of people, including babies and little kids, get their heads crushed by rubble or faces blown off by bombs, so be it in the neo-con’s mind. The mega-rich will still be able to complain about the greens being a little too long at their country clubs.
They know damn well what they’re doing. It’s not stupidity…it’s pure evil and we have to do everything possible to stop them forever.
Couldn’t agree more. The government is a cartel. The neocons want to attack everyone and leave someone else in charge to clean up the mess.
Personally, I believe Plame was outed not to get revenge on her husband, but to disrupt any intelligence gathering on Iran that she was working on while with Brewster Jennings. Now that we have no real solid evidence Iran is or isn’t up to anything, the Bushies can start another war based on whatever they say the evidence is.
Rayne @
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The real reason for invading was to replace the bases we lost in Iran when the Shan got booted in 1979. Everything else was gaslight.
It also seems worth invsstigating whether the real reason for outing Valerie Plame could have been to get her out of the CIA because of the work she was doing analyzing WMDs.
“Outing Valerie Plame was a bully tactic, a show of force that said, “Don’t fuck with us….All that matters is that our decisions are never, ever questioned.”
I think the latter sentence is the key to the anti-Wilson campaign. As some have pointed out, Cheney and Co. feared CIA sources would expose the Bush Administration’s campaign of lies and distortions that helped lead us into the Iraq War, and this was a vicious preventive tactic. Joe Wilson alleged from the beginning that the extreme nature of the attack against him was to keep others from coming forward with the truth. Testimony in the Libby trial so far vindicates everything I’ve seen him claim since Valerie was outed.
Moreover, testimony to date supports the theory that it is very likely that the anti-Wilson campaign was a two-fer, because by destroying Valerie Wilson’s career, they also neutralized one of the most knowledgeable professionals on the spread of WMDs, especially in Iraq — even if neither the CIA nor Bush White House were sure what the CIA knew. Cheney certainly didn’t want actual evidence to conflict with the fiction they were putting out.
Finally, it is very important not to lose sight of the fact that Cheney and at least Libby and Bush’s closest adviser, Rove, had no compunction about destroying someone who had spent years investigating possibly the deadliest threat to our nation’s security, the spread of weapons of mass destruction. To me, this is the worst of the many outrages now being confirmed in the Libby trial.
“It’s no coincidence that the laws Libby is being tried under were originally set up to fight organized crime.”
Sorry, I didn’t read every word:
So you’re saying RICO statutes?
Can someone elaborate on this and discuss tie-ins to Cheney, Bush and others possible convictions. Also, can individual convicted of treason be pardoned by president or have appeals rights? As this trial unfolds, can other individuals be simultaneously indicted as a result of information uncovered, i.e., do these trials have to occur consecutively or can they occur simultaneously?