
"Oh, you're going to the big courthouse… the one where they tried to get Mr. Clinton."
That's what the cab driver said to Jane and I as we took our seats for the journey to the E. Barrett Prettyman Courthouse. Jane said, "We're going to get 'em back." She only meant that rhetorically, of course, as we very responsibly demonstrated when we arrived at the security checkpoint right behind Lewis "Scooter" Libby, his wife, and attorney William Jeffress. No insults or sharp objects were hurled, although it did seem to me that Scooter was looking quizzically at Jane and wondering where he'd seen her face before. (Probably just my imagination.)
My name's Swopa, and I'll be your host for this week's live-blogging. Please bear with me, since I'm new at this, and I have a sinking feeling that I don't type nearly as fast as emptywheel (or Jane, for that matter — she'll be in the courtroom today, along with Pach). So I'll be feeling my way until my brain and fingers find a groove they're both comfortable with, in terms of how much I can absorb and pass along in real time.
The media room is about half full starting to fill up right now — we've been told that Judge Walton is attending to another matter, and we'll get an update soon. When things get rolling (the word is we'll spend today hearing tapes of Scooter's grand jury testimony), I'll start live-blogging. Commence chatting in the meantime.
It's 9:25 now.
NOTES: (1) This is not an official transcript — just a very loose paraphrase, at best — so don't treat it as one. (2) I'll tell you the time at the end of each update; expect about 15-20 minutes before the next one. The hamsters that run the servers will appreciate it if you don't refresh excessively in the meantime. (3) I didn't write the book on the Valerie Plame outing — but you should buy it, if you haven't already. My own previous writings on Plamemania can be found here. (4) My own notes will be in parentheses and italics.
The closed-circuit feed to the media room just got turned on, so that may be a sign of imminent activity.
It's 9:41.
Judge Walton: The first matter is press access to the grand jury tapes… it would appear to me that this circuit has given a level of importance to the public's right of access to exhibits. Considering the importance that our circuit has given to this right, [legalese for saying he's going to give press copies].
Jeffress objects, saying that the precedents don't really justify this step, and that the jury will find it impossible to avoid the publicity resulting from the release of tapes. (You mean they won't be able to avoid re-hearing the testimony they already heard in court??)
Walton doesn't see the difference between overhearing commentary on the tapes versus overhearing commentary on the transcripts.
Jeffress says that the intense media desire to get the tapes shows the greater play that they will receive. (He's got a point there.)
Fitz: We've stayed on the sidelines, letting Mr. Libby's attorneys and the press argue this… we take no position.
Walton says that the potential for greater media coverage is a concern — is he reconsidering?
Now a prosecutor is saying that the media coverage is unavoidable, but the context of having the whole tapes will be helpful. The press here in the media room, having a proverbial dog in this fight, occasionally bursts into kibitzing and brief arguments back at the screen.
The prosecutor now repeats my point about the jurors being exposed to the exact same material they've already heard. :)
It's 9:56.
Jeffress is now back up, reiterating that the higher level of discussion in general will result in accidental jury contamination.
Walton: I do have my concerns about the use of these tapes by the media… it's an awesome task to ensure that media coverage does not interfere with a fair trial, which is my paramount responsibility… but based on my reading of previous cases, I think the circuit (e.g., in an appeal) would rule that the tapes should be released, and it's not my job to speculate otherwise.
(I guess he wasn't really reconsidering; the exchange above was just a Socratic exercise of some sort. Let the record show that it took less than half an hour for me to become totally confused by what was going on in the courtroom.)
W: "The next matter…" Ooops, no, there's a break to address unspecified other matters. The reason for taking the break now has to do with a specific court reporter being available to handle the matter, whatever it is.
It's 10:06.
Still on break. But, um, I'm here just in case anything happens.
It's 10:32.
Folks begin filing back in at 10:35. On the closed-circuit feed, Fitzgerald really does look like he's wearing a white yarmulke.
Walton: The next matter is Exhibits 422 and 423 (the WaPo articles on Oct. 4 and Oct. 12, 2003). Regarding Exhibit 423, how are you going to show that Libby actually read the article? (Exhibit 422, the 10/12 article, had passages underlined by Libby, so defense concedes he may have read it.)
Fitz: It was produced from his files.
W: I thought it was produced by his assistant.
F: She gave it to him, and he filed it.
W: Oh, I see. (Remember, the above three lines are just paraphrase, even if they sound like quotes.)
Walton says this article seems admissable as relevant to Libby's state of mind at the time he was questioned by the FBI (on Oct. 14th, just a few days later). But he's willing to strike passages that are unfairly prejudicial.
Jeffress: I thought the court felt Libby's GJ testimony would be sufficient to determine his state of mind, since he's asked about the topics in the article… [goes on awhile, then says he'd like to list passages that should be deleted as prejudicial.]
W: You mean unduly prejudicial. (some laughter) Everything the government presents is going to be prejudicial.
Jeffress takes this in stride, and goes on to start disputing passages. He wants to redact the specific 1×2x6 quotes:
That same week, two top White House officials disclosed Plame's identity to least six Washington journalists, an administration official told The Post for an article published Sept. 28. The source elaborated on the conversations last week, saying that officials brought up Plame as part of their broader case against Wilson.
"It was unsolicited," the source said. "They were pushing back. They used everything they had."
Fitzgerald wants it kept in, because it shows the case goes beyond Novak, so Libby had legitimate cause to worry.
Jeffress says that the passage is completely false. Fitzgerald disagrees, he says the two top White House officials is true. Walton asks Fitzgerald to explain.
LONG pause.
I'm racing to catch up here. It's 10:55.
At length, Fitz says, we've heard about Rove already, we've heard about Fleischer, and there's also Libby. Then he lists all of the reporters who were known to be leaked to (Novak, Miller, Cooper, Pincus, etc.). He's clearly improvising(!). Fortunately, the defense doesn't press him about how one source could know about all this in October 2003.
Now they're debating the Oct 4th WaPo article, about destroying the Brewster-Jennings front the CIA had used with Plame. The defense considers this hearsay evidence that Plame was covert, and the very subject of the article is unfairly prejudicial. Fitzgerald argues that it's nevertheless relevant to Libby's state of mind, and therefore fair to submit.
Jeffress says that this article was not mentioned by the government in an earlier phase when they were supposed to identify articles to be used at trial — if they had mentioned it before, Jeffress says, Libby would have been justified in engaging in graymail discovery regarding Plame's actual status.
Walton and Jeffress are starting to get a little testy — Walton is saying that the government has a right to argue motive based on articles that were in Libby's possession without implying that the information in the articles is true. Jeffress is openly dismissive of Walton saying he'll give the jury instructions not to consider the truth of the article ("We know, you're going to give an instruction," he says in a so-what voice. I didn't look up to see if he rolled his eyes.)
Walton is trying to calm things down, but he's not conceding the argument.
Now there's an issue about Russert, and something about quashing a subpoena. Fitz says the government will be filing something — if I'm not mistaken, he just said, "We had a couple of typos, and our computers went down." Since no one laughed, I assume he meant that the computers being down kept him from fixing the typos.
It's 11:09. Time for a new thread… and I'm going to have to rename this one, since we never did hear any testimony.
Related posts:
- Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, and the “Unremarkable” Meat Grinder
- Cheney’s Betrayal Made an IIPA Charge for Libby Possible
- New White House Counsel Bob Bauer and Scooter Libby Justice
- GRITtv Live: Jeremy Scahill and Glenn Greenwald – Who’s Afraid of the Independent Press?
- The Bush Fairy Tale on the Libby Pardon





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Fitz, Jane And Swopa!
And Pach!
Justice!
fitz
Good morning, Swopa. I’m sure you’ll do just fine. I want to say thank you before you start. This is so important.
I just took a look at late nite and found out you are male. I’m going to have to come up with a new visual image. At the moment I have you looking like John Lennon.
Mornin’ Swopa! No doubt you will find your “groove” and I bet you will be loving every minute of it!…
Looking forward to reading here today… btw.. do you “snark” like Marcy can? LOL… I’ve absolutely enjoyed her side comments..
Thanks for everything you are doing.
halobeam @ 6
ditto.
Yet the idea that elections should be the mechanism for effecting real change barely seems to register – which is why it was relatively easy for Bush to get away with robbery.
Obsessed by personalities, they’ve forgotten what democracy is for
The US media is gripped by election fever – but discusses the candidates’ highs and lows rather than the real social issues
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..51,00.html
halobeam @
6
I’m more worried about oversnarking… I’m leaning toward doing a parody live-blog at Needlenose (see the blogroll on the left) where I can be a little more humorous.
Marcy,
I know you are lurking out there somewhere.
IS. IT. COLD. ENOUGH. FOR. YOU?
BRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Welcome back home to AA, our local hero!
Surely Libby will not be the only egg to be scrambled. If so, well……
thank you all so much for giving us this great connection to the courtroom drama. so happy jane is back in the fray.
halobeam @
6
Are you kidding? Swopa and I share some of the same skill sets (I’m sure he’ll do a superb job with the liveblog). But in snark, I can’t hold a candle to him. Consider this a week-long keyboard warning.
oddball @ 10
Argh! This is nuts–20 blow windchill? I’m preparing to go test the old 91 Civic (which has of course been sitting for 2 weeks) to see what mode of transport I’m going to use to get things done today. Wish the Civic luck…
emptywheel @
13
Marcy, if that’s true, I’m REALLY in awe. You did such a fabulous job, and I can’t thank you enough. (BTW, I got your book this weekend :))
I get a snark hit at nite with the ably equipped TREX.
I am really looking forward to swopa’s brand of snark.
Trex’s snark leaves me with a whole body buzz that lasts for hours and hours. I am looking forward to a ‘different’ buzz. Can you give us the type of snark that produces a fantastic head rush?
Just asking?
emptywheel @
14
Ask Christy if the FDL servers can spare a hamster or two!
emptywheel @ 14
HA! I got you beat, and I’m kinda beat. My 89 CRX bitched and moaned, but it started! You just can’t kill a Honda!
Friggin Cold!
Just hearing that Scooter is lined up to enter court as a defendant warms the cockles of my heart.
-
FireDogLake Live Blog “Rules of the Road” – help us all share the road during Live Blogging! (thanks to Peterr for the script!)
As a consequence of Watergate we had a slew of convicts. And nobody even died as a result of administration Watergate chicanery, lies and cover-ups. It’s altogether different this time. So many American soldiers have perished and over half a million Iraqi lives have been extinguished as a result of Bush administration fabrications. And we are left with Libby. Where’s the justice?
emptywheel @
13
It’s hard to type with Saran ™ Wrap over my kbd, but I yam ready. Carry on, Pups… And TIA. ((swopa)) (((Jane)))
Marcy — right about now I’m betting you wish you were in DC, not so much for the live blogging, but just to avoid the damnable cold. -10F here this morning, with -26F windchill; kids have no school because of the cold, going to play havoc on reading along with the live blogging. [sigh]
Back OT. Does anyone really think that Cheney will testify? I really think that this was a defense ploy to introduce the VP in the voir dire process and weed people out based on there feeling towards him.
I mean cmon, who really knows who Scooter was? The only way to give that guy a name was to try to attach him to the VP.
I got to give it to Jeffress. Lets hope the GJ tapes lock it for the jury.
Bionic @
1
What Bionic said.
This is just so amazing!
Yaaaayyyy!!!!
oddball @ 18
Ha! You’re right. Rururururavrrom. Complained a bit. Then started. Then it told me Hondas were built for California temperature.
And don’t forget to buy Marcy’s book!
Swopa — assume you saw the front page NYT article on the Iraqis blaming the Americans for the breakdown in security, given the way the surge talk forced the Shia militia to go underground. Just as you predicted in a post a few days back. You see, I do read your posts.
Bomb and mortar attacks in Iraq kill 29 By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer
37 minutes ago
At least 29 people died in bomb and mortar attacks across the city Monday, 15 of them as they waited to refill propane cooking tanks when two car bombs blew up in quick succession in south Baghdad.
Got Marcy’s book Saturday, haven’t had a chance to read it ’cause the spouse took it to work. I’ve been going on and on about the trial blogging and she started to show some interest when my descriptions of the actors started to give her enough background. She has been rooting for Valerie all along, and after I played some of Marcy’s vblogging for her she got up and slid the book into her tote bag.
I am surprised a lot of these evidentiary matters, like the Grand jury tapes, weren’t
taken care of prior to trial.
It saves the jurors time and gives the parties and judge time to research and reflect.
‘Morning all. I’ll be in and out today. Swopa, thanks in advance!
And in addition to the Rules of the Road, visitors — FDL has no big-money sponsorship. This is all being done by volunteers in a cooperative venture, financed by us. So go hit the PayPal button in the upper right hand corner, and give the servers some love. If you want to help pay for Plame House, and feed these wonderful livebloggers, add $.07 to your donation, and the whole thing will go to the Treasongate effort.
lina @ 5
In a double-breasted suit, if I recall this morning’s post correctly!
Only -9 here in the Windy City
Quick reminder
This is no more negation of Global Warming that the unseasonable warm holiday season.
correction – heated up to -2 in the Loop
Scarecrow @
29
Well, there’s one reader… :)
mandrake @ 34
Damn straight. Oh, wait, I’m supposed to be live-blogging…
I know we are all so very excited about this morning’s events, but whatever happened to the whole ‘new thread upstairs’ thingy ?!?!?! geesh, folks downstairs with no idea
/grumpiness
shuffles off for more coffee muttering to self
Swopa–
Let me be the fitz to say “Great liveblogging!”
Thanks!
What a thrilling feeling to know that Hamsher is in the house. YAY!
oh, oh, me too, me too your DoubleBreastedness !
Does this mean we’re getting copies of the Libby tapes? Woohoo! How soon?
zeppo @ 55
I’m beginning to think cheney is ready to unleash his bizzare interperatation of his powers as vice president
I am actually thinking he’s going to get on the stand and say that he instructed libby to tell the story the way it was told and he did it “to safeguard national security”
The defense thinks that
Isn’t the jury instructed to not read news or listen to the news? Good lord.
Oklahoma kiddo @
21
I think that Watergate happened and they scurried away, biding their time, raising money behind the walls, building their ideology one crumb at a time, one symbolic bumper sticker at a time, seeking revenge for Nixon in the corporate, Christianized culture war they wage today. Like these roaches, Evil needs to be exposed to the light to keep it at bay, and it will never be eradicated; unfortunately,we have not devised an equivalent to the Roach Motel, unless that is what Congress is for. And even then, they evolve around it.
Swopa @ 9
LOL… if you do so, just let us know, sounds like something that couldn’t be missed!
halobeam @ 46
The facts!
PressedRat @ 45
Even if they teach their chilluns that “Evolution Is A Lie?” /snark :)
I guess they think it’s easier to avoid a small story on A-12 as opposed to all over the airwaves 24/7. Still, jurors were instructed not to watch/listen to news about the case.
“My name’s Swopa, and I’ll be your host for this week’s live-blogging.” Oh, yeah, you’re the tall, handsome and awfully charming one. ;-)
emptywheel @ 13
What a week this is gonna be! (Holding breath in anticipation). Timmeh’s gonna be a hoot. Hmm, maybe the mystery witness is Tweety…Now, wouldn’t that be fun?
neil k. @
42
Not until all of them have been played in court.
Swopa @ 51
Wanna borrow my iPod recorder?
Cheney subscribes to the “l’etat, c’est moi!” view of government.
More blood for hubris.
Our blood, his hubris.
I am beginning to get the impression that Libby is not going to testify, and Cheney is certainly not going to. So, just where that leaves the defense, I have no idea. I can’t wait to hear (third party, of course) Fitz’s closing statement. “You will notice, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, that the defense did not say anything of substance in the last three weeks.”
now i’m dying to know what you look like.
BTW, hope one of the live bloggers will gently tell Nina Totenberg that her characterization this morning on NPR of Joe Wilson as a Bush dissenter is inaccurate and sounds biased.
Wilson is not a partisan, or a dissenter in general; he disagreed with the Bush administration’s slough-off of intelligence that said there was no evidence of sales of yellowcake to Iraq. How is a citizen with a highly-informed opinion based on research on a specific matter to the contrary of an administration to be so broadly painted as a “Bush dissenter”? There are a lot of Republicans who disagree with Bush on one thing, or maybe two — are they “Bush dissenters” as well?
Swopa, you’ll do just fine. Just keep the juicy tidbits coming to us. Thanks in advance for this weeks blogging
Swopa:
Thanks in advance. As someone mentioned earlier, this is very important. Further, I’m addicted to the coverage!!
Swopa @ 51
They’ll probably be released as other evidence has, to a list of journalists at the end of the day. (So we may get them as early as tomorrow.) THough in this case, they’re going to be posted, because we’re talking 7 hours of MP3s.
O/T, but also important front-burner stuff…
Did anyone else hear McCain yesterday spew his new “undercut-the-troops” canard proffered in objection to the pending anti-surge resolutions? It was a scurrilous new low. He said that any such resolution would be “a vote of ‘no confidence’ in our troops. We’d be saying ‘we’re gonna send you over there, but we don’t think you can get the job done.”
I wanted to reach through the tube and smack him.
He cannot be allowed to get away with blatant red herring shit like that.
_
Americans will watch the TV tapes of Scooter, yep, it will reach more Americans if it’s TV.
Have a great day Swopa, and all hail Jane, GO Team FDL.
PS. waiting for my copy of Marcy.
BobbyG @ 60
“But but, Joe Lieberman’s victory proves. . . “
hey BobbyG!
if your schedule permits . . .
how about a quick sqibble on a LTE ??? – am struggling with one myself this am and recall you have had luck with getting yours published in the recent past – could sorely use the inspiration:)
Having read Marcy’s book, I am really looking forward to today’s live blog.
Bring it on, Swopa & Jane!
S.O.S. from MA @ 48
yep. As long as it’s countered with ideology, then that’s how they evolve so they can skitter across the unwaxed floor of history…
zeppo @ 54
In talking with Jane and Pach last night, I threw out the speculation that Libby might not bother offering any defense at all… they’ll just rest as soon as the prosecution is done.
BobbyG @ 60
Yes, I read what McCain said.
I mentioned on emptywheel’s comments board Saturday morning that I was following the trial as best I could between classes, lunch, and after school giving her a big shout of appreciation.
Today, we are out of school because of the cold weather here in N. Illinois so I get to follow along and maybe even make a comment which I cannot do at school.
Swopa, I like your writing style and if it takes a few minutes to get the feel of it, so what. We are so happy that this new, unique opportunity has been presented to us by you, Jane, Christy, Emptywheel, Pach and of course the Mods. Thank you, and this is the end of my long bandwidth rant, promise.
perris — occhams razor version:
Cheney and his man are the principal perpetrators of the fraud that claimed Saddam was both a WMD threat and a terrorist/al-Qaeda threat. They put their people in key intelligence spots throughout the intelligence community to stovepipe faulty intelligence right into the WH and into the media (Miller); where that is not possible, they create new intelligence offices, at CIA, at DoD, in the WH. It’s a rogue operation, outside the normal channels of accountability.
The normal intelligence community fights back. There is constant war between Cheney’s liars and the normal truth tellers. They jockey for for the President’s ear and fight over the contents of his speeches. But the truth tellers don’t know that the liars have backdoor access and provide private briefings from which they are excluded. The Cheney team uses a negligent, lazy (or worse – Miller) media to further the lies/threat memes, while the truth tellers are still playing by the rules.
Wilson is allied with the truth tellers. He’s married to the head truth teller, the head of the CIA group responsible for the finding out the truth on exactly the WMD issue that is the basis for war with Iraq (and later, Iran). They send Wilson to help debunk the bogus Niger claim that will not die — see SOTU. Cheney et al cannot tolerate contrary view because (1) it undermines their lying (2) it exposes the VP and team to censure and (3) when you lie your country into a war, it’s an impeachable offense.
Wilson is the truth tellers’ way to fight back; they can’t go public, but Wilson can. When Wilson starts to go public, first with leaks to the media, then with press his op-ed, Cheney has to do two things: (1) discredit Wilson and (2) intimidate/dismantle the truth tellers within the intelligence community. He succeeds in (2) with Valerie’s outting.
Now we are seeing it all come out, but not enough. The narrow criminal case can’t reveal the total picture of Cheney’s treachery and who were complicit. We get snippets, but not the full picture. Hearings will be needed, unless there are follow on indictments, which remain uncertain at best.
bg @ 61
The GJ tapes will be audio only – correct? I was under the impression that no video exists. Could someone please confirm?
lina @
55
Ya know, I thinkSwopa and Marcy were in the same place once…the FDL caucus, first night of YKos. They were on opposite sides of the room, though, so I never did see them at the exact same time…hmmmmm.
BobbyG,
forgot to add -
you may have some fun here;>
*xyz @ 70
Maybe one of the dude’s that was at saddam’s execution has cell phone vids?
I don’t want to discourage the chatting, but . . . OK, I guess I do want to discourage it, at least a little bit.
Last week, when the servers overheated, Christy and RBG reminded us that when the threads get long, the servers have to work even harder to keep things going. They asked for a little more discretion about posting off-topic or simply adding “me too” comments, so as to keep the live-blogging threads humming along in a more managable fashion.
emptywheel @
59
I sure hope I’ll be able to D/L and use them as podcasts, so I can listen to the GJ as I wander…
(waves admiringly at emptywheel)
Cheney, Bush, Rove and Rice. These guys are not going to jail. And that matters.
Swopa @ 66
I agree this is possible. If they believe Libby will be pardoned, then the best outcome for the Cheney cabal is to have no further evidence emerge. Any witness for the defense is a risk. They move for a directed verdict and take their chances. Putting either Libby or Cheney on would be huge risks, because they don’t know what else Fitz has, and almost anyone else from the Administration could hurt them during cross.
emptywheel @ 60
if they’re smart they’ll post them as podcasts at itunes or someplace like archive.org… otherwise their site will be hammered.
oh, wait… i forgot. not everyone is as insanely interested as we are…
cbl @ 63
LOL!
The cat at the Las Vegas Sun loves me (Mike Campbell, editorial page editor). They have a max-once-every-two-weeks policy or I’d probably be an unpaid OpEd writer there.
One thing that really helps (assuming cogency), I’ve found- maximum brevity. It’s always a war for available column inches. A really pithy short one can usually fill out a bit of empty space.
What’s really funny here is that the Sun now travels as a JOA section within the Review-Journal (the Sun used to be the smaller, liberal morning paper). The R-J is our only daily, and is a pro- Bush right wing rag. I am blacklisted there, since the 2004 campaign. The editor Thomas Mitchell hates me (and I continue to needle him). It has to burn his ass that I show up anyway all the time, given the embedded JOA arrangement.
_
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scarecrow re occam’s
Sounds right on the mark to me.
Swopa @ 66
I’ve been on that same wavelength for a while now. They used the opening argument to raise a bunch of questions and will come back in closing arguments to say, basically, “we were going to put on a really rigorous defense, but, ow that we hear how incredibly lame is the prosecution case and what with them having the burden of proof and all–we’ll just save you all extra time from your families and rest.”
Because they can’t put Cheney or Scooter on the stand or things can get real ugly real quick, and without them they don’t have a memory defense and the only other defense is the “thrown under the bus argument,” which went nowhere quick.
I’ll put a hot chocolate on it.
Scarecrow @ 69
looks about right, the cia was against the attack in Iraq, clark and his anti terror league was against it, the military was against it
each of these units said in no uncertain terms Iraq was no threat, and each of these units told the administration that attacking Iraq would help the terrorists and make our battle against terrorism almost impossible to win.
ya, the vp asked for more information, he didn’t want to go on the record as saying “make up proof if you have to” so instead he made insinuations
the real cia took this avenue to tell him again, Iraq was no threat
he had to deny making the request for joe to go even though he did make the request
and make no mistake about it, it was vice president cheney himself who requested joe investigate the uranium buy, he can deny it all he wants but he requested the cia send someone, the cia sent the very best man for the job
cheney in no uncertain terms asked the cia to send joe wilson, and inspite of his claims otherwise, joe wilson went on his mission at specific behest of the vice president
Scarecrow @ 69
Truth-telling succeeds only through disagreement. That process of dissent, discussion, consensus, and implementation is crucial to policy-making. Cheney, et.al.,
short circuiteddestroyed that process in their rush to war, resulting in the foreign policy disaster that is the Bush administration.lina @
55
Oh, great, now that the bar has been set impossibly high. Wonderful.
“then the best outcome for the Cheney cabal is to have no further evidence emerge.”
And what is the likelihood of that?
Morning all. Thanks to Swopa & Jane – and to Marcy’s flying fingers these past weeks. May yours be fleet too Swopa.
Does anyone know if the admission of the GJ tapes ups the ante for an appeal? Some of the legal folks seem to think that an appeal is a given anyway.
Anyone?
Swopa: Can you give us some kind of picture of what is going on and who isn’t there and who is there?
FYI – MSNBC just had breaking news graphic banner – Judge releases Grand Jury testimony of Scooter Libby to the media.
We are now back to regular scheduled programming – skinny models.
“Some of the legal folks seem to think that an appeal is a given anyway.”
An appeal on what grounds, I wonder? “My defense team couldn’t find anything to actually argue?”
This is sort of off topic for the liveblog, but I have been following this since the trial started and I am still not entirely sure what the trial is intended to prove.
My understanding is that there are five charges. One is lying to the FBI, two are perjury and two are obstruction of justice.
My best guess is that the lying to the FBI charge comes from when the FBI questioned Libby in October 2003. At that time he told the FBI he was at the end of a long chain of telephone calls from reporters who discussed that Wilson’s wife was an officer of the CIA. That would be charge one. But according to Fitzgerald’s Press Conference (published in the WaPo on Oct. 28, 2005) the story Libby told was a lie. He was not at the end of a set of phone calls. He started the phone calls to the reporters and disclosed information to reporters not cleared for it that he had on at least seven prior occasions told other people.
Then it is my understanding that Libby told the Grand Jury the same story – twice. Each time then becomes both perjury and obstruction of justice. The perjury is telling a lie, and the obstruction of justice is, I guess, the fact that he lied to conceal criminal actions. (This is the main question. If correct, then the following becomes another question.)
So the same event in the Grand Jury has caused two separate charges. The fact of the lie to the Grand Jury is by itself perjury. The motivation to lie, that is, hiding a crime, leads to the second charge – obstruction of justice.
Is this a correct reading of the five charges against “Scooter” Libby? If not, what do I have wrong.
Somewhere I missed this very basic element in the massive number of details being given about this trial trial. I thought it would be clear in the opening statement by Fitzgerald, but if it was there I missed it. I bet I’m not the only person, either.
You just watch Team Cover Up use audio and video of Andrea Mitchell to assert she told Russert about Plame who then told Libby after Russert testifies under oath that Scooter is a bold faced liar.
Am I the only one here wishing the “Mystery Witness” would be the White House Hooker, JimmyJeffGuckertGannon?
*sighs* I know, I know…I can still dream, can’t I?
it seems as if my original post on this thread has disapeared
Swopa @ 66
That’s what I’m thinking! With any potential defense witness who is involved at all in the Wilson matter, Fitz knows enough to force them to either perjure themselves or further incriminate Libby.
On the other hand, they could just bring in some completely uninvolved “character” witnesses to talk about what a nice guy Scooter is. My guess is that the first defense witness will be Ron Silver, testifying as Bruno Gianelli from The West Wing!
The Surge is going to dominate the media this week.
Let’s pray for our Troops and the Iraqis, but
‘fly’ through the flak to complete the mission here.
Go FDL!
February 12 issue of Newsweek Periscope:
The CIA Leak: Boring In on the Veep
snip
The next day, aboard Air Force Two, Libby and Cheney talked media strategy, Bond said. “There was some discussion … about whether they should report to the press that Ambassador Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA,” Bond testified that Libby told her. Bond added that Libby said “they may have talked about it.” This is the first suggestion that Cheney himself talked about disclosing Wilson’s wife’s identity to the press as a way of undercutting Wilson’s credibility.
After the talk on the plane, Libby at Cheney’s direction began making phone calls to reporters. One of them, Matt Cooper, testified that Libby confirmed to him (he’d heard it from Karl Rove) that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA. Former New York Times reporter Judy Miller testified that Libby mentioned Wilson’s wife to her that day (as in two previous talks). The new testimony could make things more awkward for Cheney, due to be called as a defense witness soon. Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald plans to wrap up his case with Tim Russert (likely to deny Libby’s grand-jury testimony that Russert told him about Plame’s CIA job). The defense may call reporters—including columnist Robert Novak—to say Libby never told them about Plame.
—Michael Isikoff
The CIA Leak: Boring In on the Veep
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16…../newsweek/
Morning! So far you’re doing great, Swopa! Thanks for the bloggin’. And what’s Fitz wearing today?
Also, will the civil suit brought by the Wilsons bring more of the guilty parties into the scrutiny spotlight? And doesn’t all of this evidence coming out in Fitz’ work become germane to that civil lawsuit?
Presidential pardons can’t apply to civil liability, can they?
KestrelBrighteyes @ 93
I dream with ya! Why oh why is that man not being investigated every way til Wednesday?
Rick B. at 91 — Not quite right: the indictment was two felony counts of false statements to the FBI; two felony counts of perjury to the grand jury; and one felony count of obstruction.
Scarecrow’s occam’s razor at 69 seems very sharp.
> Somewhere I missed this very basic element
> in the massive number of details being
> given about this trial trial. I thought it
> would be clear in the opening statement by
> Fitzgerald, but if it was there I missed it.
> I bet I’m not the only person, either.
I have asked the same question myself several times. As a layman I did not hear the exact charges in Fitzgerald’s opening statement. I am assuming that he will be more exact in his closing statement – perhaps using a chart or something.
Cranky
perris — it’s not important whether that Cheney did not personally send Wilson. I think the key issue is whether he was briefed on Wilson’s findings when Wilson returned. Larry Johnson at a kos diary pieces the evidence (and his experience of what happens when a VP makes a request of his CIA briefer) to make the case that Cheney would have been briefed very soon after Wilson returned. eRiposte posts this weekend show that the correct reading the CIA reports on Wilson’s trips is that Wilson discredited the Niger story. So Cheney’s cabal tried to do two things: (1) assert that they never heard about the Wilson trip or its finding and (2) once those became known, assert that the CIA report on Wilson actually supported the Niger claims. Both were lies, but both lies are still out there.
Is the mystery witness a mystery due to security at prettyman or something else?
I’m going with Douglas Feith.
Say Libby is convicted. Then what?
Rick B- the details of the charges are in a .pdf here.
It is a great road map; helped me a lot in getting to grips with trial details. Quotes specifics of “he said”… 2 cts perjury, 2 cts false information, 1 ct obstruction
Rayne @ 81 – Gabbly.com.
tried it and i can’t seem to change my name or have a comment entered in the chat.
i’m probably just too stupid…. ;-(
/licks lips
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In other words, if Cheney sent Wilson, then he would know that there was no deal for pure iranium, yellowcake, or uranium.
It’s the 500 pound gorilla in the courtroom.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 106
I believe more indictments follow, I do not believe an indictment will follow if libby is vindicated
selise @ 78
They’re not? You mean they’re going to the office and actually working?
JEP @ 99
Yes. Yes. No.
“it took less than half an hour for me to become totally confused by what was going on in the courtroom”
…isn’t that why a law degree costs a quarter-million bucks nowadays?
But I often wonder, are they teaching them how to sort out the mess, or just how to complicate it?
Christy Hardin Smith @
101
Thank you.
I assume that one lie to the FBI was at the October questioning. When was the other?
And how does the Obstruction of Justice charge fit in? When did he do that, and how?
amato over at c and L has a scoop showing murdoch admittine he tried to manipulate the media in the run up to the Iraq war
Sorry to be OT and burden the server, but I can’t for the life of me figger out how to join http://gabbly.com/firedoglake.com ! Latest FireFox on latest MacOSX… Is there a special icon used to set up a free acct., or any limitations on username or passwd? I can see a lively conversation but not join… Aargh…
Has Walton ruled the tapes will be released, or did AP/MSNBC jump the gun?
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If they only release the transcripts, I suggest that Jane look for a few folks to read them and make a podcast of the performance. Could have a special double-podcast edition of The Spin I’m In!
Back in the days when not everyone automatically assumed that Piggy Dick and the Clusterfuck were lyin about everything, it was important to hide the fact that Wilson got sent as a response to a Cheney inquiry- cause if that were true, then it would be UNTHINKABLE that the CIA wouldn’t have told Cheney what Wilson discovered- and if Cheney KNEW about it- it would be unthinkable that Cheney would have let Clusterfuck lie in the SOTU…
NOW-of course- we all know that FAT DICK and the Clusterfuck lie on every song they sing.
ccmask @ 110
cheney did send wilson, not by name but by request.
he asked the cia to look into the matter and they did at the vp’s behest, it is a fact, cheney sent wilson…cheney thinks he can get away with some kind of loophole since he didn’t request any individual specifically he thinks no matter who they sent he would be able to say he didn’t send that person
Rick B. at 115 — The FBI had two interviews with Libby. But the alleged lies occurred, according to Agent Bond’s testimony on multiple occasions. I believe her words were something to the effect that it wasn’t a question of whether or not to charge Libby, but how many charges to bring. (Need to go back to the transcrips from last week to be certain on that, but I’m remembering something to that effect and I don’t have time to double check it at the moment. Anyone remember for sure?) As for obstruction, trying to prevent the investigation from going forward by blocking the avenues of which he was aware — such as protecting Cheney’s butt, as an example — and not being honest about the contents of meetings with journalists and such.
for anyone using the gabbly chat, dumb question, but how do you ebter a comment? My window doesn’t have a send tab.
108
No, it seems to work fine. But I’m the only gabber at the moment. I just type my monicker (my name) into the name box and hit change.
This would reduce server load, I imagine, but refresh closes the session, and you come back on following a refresh. I don’t know whether you lose content in the window as well, as I am all alone.
QuentinCompson at 7:53 am
Yes, that was my sense from Swopa’s blogging. Then Judge Walton moved onto other things.
Several of my Demo centro-to-lib pals have asked me why I pay so much attention to the Libby business. I give them the ’stock’ basic civics responses. But I don’t think my arguments are convincing. I even had a radical way left-winger chum tell me after listening to me, say “wake me when it’s over”. This makes me want to think about being discouraged.
Unlike yesterday’s football Superbowl, I can see that this Trial isn’t being run with the audience in mind. In fact, I don’t know that Judge Walton even really knows that he has a huge live audience. So they’ve taken a break to do whatever it is legal people do when they take breaks [they sure don’t do this on Law and Order]. This is one really looooong time out!
he asked the cia to look into the matter and they did at the vp’s behest, it is a fact, cheney sent wilson
Yeah, the evidence has shown the Wilson’s description was precise and accurate–”at the request of the office of the VP.” Not Cheney per se. And not Cheney personally sending him on a mission, but the CIA tasking memo makes it clear that this was a request from the OVP.
perris @ 111
I’m sorta counting on this. Will send email later.
If they just release the transcripts: how about a reprise of Jon Stewart’s old TDS segment, “Great Moments in Punditry, As Read By Children”?
I’d love to hear a kid’s voice whining, “It wasn’t me, I heard it from Russert, he knows everything, I was the last to know….”
Christy, I pulled this off of THE NEXT HURRAH. It’s about 90 minutes old from someone in Paris named Jody.
I also gave her your address at the lake, if she continues to have problems.
Thus far, would it be safe to conclude the jury will convict?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 106
“Pardon ME?”
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Professor Foland @
119
I vote for Fred Schneider to read Libby’s lines.
Swopa, you are doing a fantastic job.
W: You mean unduly prejudicial. (some laughter)
Some more laughter.
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from me @ 87:
“Some of the legal folks seem to think that an appeal is a given anyway.”
from zeppo @ 90:
An appeal on what grounds, I wonder? “My defense team couldn’t find anything to actually argue?”
If I remember correctly, in Jane’s 8 ball thread last night, montag was suggesting that the defense may already be working on an appeal. On what grounds, I’m not sure.
And wasn’t the defense arguing on Thursday or some day last week that the release of the tapes would create a media circus, thus possibly unnecessarily prejudicing the jury, and making it nearly impossible for them to be removed from the media attention the tapes would receive.
S.O.S. from MA @
117
I think I just answered my own question. Here’s what I tried, which worked: First go to gabbly.com and set up an account & password (can’t have any spaces in a gabbly accountname). Once that’s established and you’ve verified your email addy via replying to their email, you’re good to go.
Love this coverage! HISTORICAL! Kudos all.
“An Outing with Cheney”
Boy, thare’s a loaded headline… whether afield on a hunting expedition, or in DC riding in the morning limo with him, an “outing” with Cheney can prove hazardous to one’s health…
Would “more indictments” include everyone who is uncovered in Libby’s trial as a co-conspirator, either in the actual “outing” or in covering it up?
Doesn’t this basically, legally become a “conspiracy” if Libby is indicted?
Is that what they mean when they say “Ari Fleisher testified under immunity”, that he is now immune, by testifying against Libby, from similar charges?
One more legal question…if (when) Libby is indicted, wouldn’t the Rico(sp?)conspiracy laws be applicable towards anyone else who took part in Plame’s outing?
Also, doesn’t this constitute “high crimes and misdemenaors?”
John at 129 – I already got the e-mail and we’re taking a peek at it. No idea what the problem is other than it perhaps being a server communication issue. We’ll see.
Yaay! Judge Walton finds the same humor in what’s prejudicial and what’s unfairly prejudicial that I did on last night’s thread. Hint to Wells: it’s called “probative,” not prejudicial. Heh, heh!!
Ok kiddo @ 123,
“…This makes me want to think about being discouraged.”
Think about it, not everyone sees this the way we do, but try to remember where we were a year ago and even more, all the way back to 2003.
Who would have guessed that we would have a turn-around in Congress, there would even be the possibility of a trial like this, and that some of the behind-the-scenes manipulations of this administration would be exposed to sunlight?
This site has made me appreciate that some of those dark days I experienced earlier are in the past. It is commenters like you that have made this possible for me. Thanks
perris @ 120
Sorry- yes, I myself knew he did send Wilson when he asked the CIA to verify the information.
I was just saying why it seems to be important for Cheney that it is expressed that he didn’t send Wilson. :))
selise — re: Gabbly.com/firedoglake.com — what browser are you using? it’s probably not you but the browser and version if you’re having problems in Gabbly. Probably also need broadband for optimum experience.
Muzzy — looks like you figured it out.
Anybody else joining us at Gabbly.com/firedoglake.com, don’t forget to change your name when you pop in. Just type it in the Name box, click Change and you’re ready to gab. Type in blank box at bottom, hit return to enter a comment.
Nice work, Swopa, you’re going to be great at this live blogging stuff. You’ll be hunting down more live blogging opportunities, I can see it now.
Cranky Observer @ 103
I think that “obstruction of justice” would relate to the UNSWORN statements made to the FBI…while the PERJURY charges relate to SWORN testimony before the Grand Jury.
One perjures themselves in sworn statements. But one can obstruct justice by giving false evidence.
emptywheel @
27
Hell, I’m built for California temperature but have to live in this sub-zero Mitchigun freezer! Human beans should never be required to live where water isn’t a liquid!
S.O.S. from MA @ 139
that was the ticket! thanks!
This morning’s activities strike me as the defense kicking up as much dust as possible to delay proceeding – in part to annoy and confuse the jury, in part to throw as much appeal-spaghetti against the wall as possible.
Cranky
Swopa
Then he lists all of the reporters who were known to be leaked to (Novak, Miller, Cooper, Pincus, etc.).
PLease please please can you fill in that “etc”? Who were all the reporters Fitzgerald specified?
And was he indicating that the two top White House officials were Rove and Fleischer, or where did Libby fit in?
Surely he couldn’t have been improvising – he had to have known this issue was coming on 1×2×6?
Rick B @ 115
Well the lie(s) was/were repeated at the November meeting as well.
Or it could be that Fitz is going to demonstrate that there were at least two false statements contained within one FBI meeting. One, that Libby FORGOT that he knew that “Wilson’s wife” was an employee of the CIA. Second, that Time Russert told him such (this also borders upon suggesting an innocent person may be involved in illegal acts).
The “obstruction charge” may relate to the Cheney-Libby document.
Slightly OT, but has anyone made (or seen) a diagram of the Plame information flow in this case? I’m thinking of something like this (but more “professional”):
Martin/CIA
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|—> Libby —> Fleischer —> Gregory, Dickerson
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| —> Cooper —> Duffy
| | —> Miller —> Abramson
etc., etc., etc.
I’m sure that Fitz has made one, but I don’t think it’s been introduced. I think it would help me to keep track, at least.
Rayne at 80
Gabbly is pretty nicely done. Maybe on one of the weekend social threads it could be experimented with.
Aw, jeez, who was gabber334? And now gabber855 has bailed.
Cranky at 148 — As we have talked about prevously, the lawyers on both sides are required to put on the trial record any and all arguments on the facts and the law so that there is a clear record for appeal, if any such appeal is needed. That is a big part of their jobs — because the appellate court has to have all of the facts and arguments in the transcript in order to consider everything that the judge had in front of him at the time a particular ruling was made. Welcome to trial practice. *g*
Jello Biafra.
He’s appearing this month at the Knitting Factory. I was there Friday night for Jonathan Richman.
jayackroyd @ 128
In fact the Libby-Cheney note of June 12 states:
“Took place at our behest-functional office-CPhis wife works in that divn.”
http://wid.ap.org/documents/li…..X10401.PDF
SOS from MA went through more work than necessary to get Gabbly working. Just type in your monicker and hit change. Although if I’m gonna be doing this frequently, I’ll create an account.
BobbyG @ 133
Will he sing? If so, can he get a reduced sentence? Will other indictments ensue? What will the sentence be? Ramifications for the administration? What about Rumsfeld, Rove, Condi etc.? How will a conviction affect the Demos, particularly in 2008? What effect if any will there be on the Iraq war, Iran, or perhaps even the Israeli-Palestinian situation. How will a conviction affect civil suits? What will a conviction mean for Democracy? Will a conviction mean a return of diplomacy? What message would our allies take from a conviction? What message, if any, would the UN get from a conviction? What will our enemies think? A short list only.
mahopac maze @ 151
Here’s one from BTC news that someone linked to a couple of days ago. (h/t to whoever that was!)
Saw in “NoQuarter”…..
Dick Cheney Was Briefed by CIA on Niger
by
Larry C Johnson
One of the peripheral benefits from the Scooter LIbby trial (apart from the pleasure of watching the Bush Administration lies exposed) is the release of documents that provide concrete evidence of the events that produced Nigergate (or, if you prefer, Plamegate). Scooter may be claiming a foggy memory but if you read and compare the new documents with previous material, such as the Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Iraq released in the summer of 2004, the fog will lift and you’ll glean some new insights.
We have known all along that Dick Cheney asked the CIA to follow up on a DIA report about Iraq’s effort to get uranium from Niger. Thanks to the latest document dump we now know that Dick Cheney received a preliminary brief from the CIA and the the Senate Intelligence Committee, in its 2004 report, covered up this fact.
On a chilly Tuesday morning almost five years ago, February 12, 2002, Dick Cheney’s CIA briefer arrived with a piece of finished intelligence that set in motion a series of events that exposed the identity of a CIA undercover officer, destroyed a CIA front company and compromised its various assets, and sent Scooter Libby to trial for perjury and obstruction of justice.
Dick Cheney read an article written by an analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency titled, “Niamey signed an agreement to sell 500 tons of uranium to Baghdad”. This report was based on intelligence obtained by CIA field operatives and published as an intelligence report (i.e. TD) on 5 February 2002. The source, our buddies the Italians. Thanks to the CIA memo introduced during the first week of the Libby trial, the CIA reported that Iraq and Niger allegedly signed an agreement in July of 2000 to purchase uranium. This TD was a follow up to information the CIA obtained in October 2001, also from the Italian intelligence service, which claimed the negotiations had started in 1999 and came to fruition in 2000.
Continue reading “Dick Cheney Was Briefed by CIA on Niger”
KestrelBrighteyes @
93
I am jumping on the coattails of your wonderful dream. Make my day.
I find the argument that releasing the grand jury tapes would create more of a media frenzy, and therefore be prejudicial, a very silly argument. Did we not see video of grand jury testimony of Bill Clinton on our TVs every night, arguing “it depends what IS is”? Doesn’t that set a precedent?
Wouldn’t anyone assume that if they give grand jury testimony and it is recorded (video and/or audio), it is fair-game for trial? In fact, wouldn’t it be likely to be shown, as it indicates the demeanor of the person giving testimony?
If you’re lying, then it’s your problem that having people watch you lie hurts your case.
Big cheer for Swopa – enjoy the liveblogging experience! If you think you might break into shorthand for the people who are speaking, do you think you could post your key in the top of your blogpost? (like P = prosecution, L/GJ = Libby at the Grand Jury testimony, or something like that)?
Thanks! Looking forward to today’s events.
Fresh thread, more Agent Bond.
What will our enemies think?
Which ones…
Oklahoma kiddo @
132
is the pope bavarian?
I’d bet money (if I had any) that Cheney won’t testify. He won’t be able to help Libby any better by testifying then by getting George Bush to grant a pardon. Plus, there are too many secrets out there, and the last thing the WH wants is to have the VP testify in live court. You know that would bring this story to the top of the attention span of most Americans. By having him not testify, it doesn’t appear to many people that cheney may have had a direct hand in possibly treasonous activity and coverup. (of course, that’s cuz they’re not paying attention. Cheney on the Witness stand would change that quickly).
RickB – The Obstruction charge stems from the ’story’ Libby told the FBI and Grand Jury -
Libby’s story is:
On or about July 10th, Russert said to Libby, “Are you aware Wilson’s wife works at the CIA?”
Then Russert follows it up with, “All the reporters know it.”
Libby tells the FBI he was ’struck’ by this news from Russert – It was the first he’d heard of Wilson’s wife at the CIA!
Libby’s story then continues:
A day or two later, Libby takes a call from Matt Cooper of Time and:
Libby says he tells Cooper that, “Reporters are saying that Wilson’s wife works for the CIA, but I’m not sure it’s true.”
That’s Libby’s story for this Trial:
I heard that Wilson’s wife works at the CIA from Russert and I then told Cooper that reporters are saying Wilson’s wife works at the CIA.
Since the ’story’ is a LIE, and an intentional LIE at that, Libby is OBSTUCTING JUSTICE. In putting out his ’story’ Libby made two false statements to the FBI:
- Libby said Russert was the first to tell him about Wilson’s wife (FALSE)
- Libby told Cooper that “many reporters are saying Wilson’s wife works at the CIA, but I can’t be sure this assertion is true.” (FALSE)
Libby then took his ’story’ and two False Statements to the Grand Jury – where he repeated them and earned the two perjury charges.
Libby’s defense is to say that he DIDN’T REMEMBER that he’d already heard about Wilson’s wife working at the CIA from a half-dozen others in the MONTH prior to supposedly hearing it from Russert. His ‘defense’ is that he REALLY believed he heard about Wilson’s wife from Russert and passed it on to Cooper.
But Fitz says – You can’t claim ‘not to know’ on Thursday what you are putting out as fact on Monday.
Jeff @ 149
People are obsessing all about the numerical sequence of “1X2X6″ when it was simply shorthand for the reporters Administration source (=1) telling him that two “senior administration officials” contacted at LEAST “six reporters” with the information about Wilson’s wife working at the CIA.
#1 is NOT the “Mr. Big” ~ in a sense it’s “Deep Throat”
The two officials are not necessarily either “Mr. Big”…nor are the necessarily ALL those involved in leaking. They are simply the ones the source was aware of. In addition the number of reporters could increase, as well.
Libby saw the article. It’s likely he inferred that HE was “one of the two”. He didn’t need to know how many reporters the other leaker had spoken to to suspect that the ” reporters source” could finger him to the FBI.
I’m not sure what piqued this Off-Topic thought, but I Googled it and found this quote:
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Congress sees through party-colored glasses
By BILL ADAIR
St. Petersburg Times, published September 12, 1998
WASHINGTON — For more than a week, members of Congress said they would avoid partisan politics when they got Kenneth Starr’s report on President Clinton. But when they finally saw it Friday, they split along party lines.
“It’s vile,” said Rep. Mark Foley, R-West Palm Beach. “It’s more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction.”
cinnamonape @
150
radiofreewill posted this very useful box score at the lake couple of days ago
How can it not be considered potentially prejudicial to Libby to release the grand jury tapes during the trial? I mean, I can see how his lawyers could argue this. But I understand from what I have read this is not unheard of. And I am trying to understand why this is allowed.
mahopec maze @151
chart here
http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews…..chart6.png
Woops, I guess what I really meant in my previous question was not “prejudicial” but possibly detrimental to Libby getting a fair trial. I guess I’ve never heard of this being done but then again, I have never followed a criminal trial like this.
Fitzgerald really does look like he’s wearing a white yarmulke.
Actually that’s his halo.
Scarecrow—
I hope you will make this into a post.
What a great explanation.
Scarecrow @ 69
Great job, Swopa! You are much appreciated.
Rayne @ 56
It would be wonderful, though unlikely, to get her to admit that the characterization was inserted by her editor.
Peterr @ 158
Hey thanks Peterr — this is my new Bible!
Hey, Firedoglake,
You guys are making history.
Thank you.
Swopa – I think you’re doing a fantastic job! Love all the color you’re providing! Thank you!
Please, the cab driver spoke to “Jane and me”, not “Jane and I”