
[Preface: In the midst of her incredible live-blogging effort at FDL, Emptywheel took some time to send me links to some of the documents from the trial proceedings that have been made public by Libby's legal firm. Since then, I became aware that the AP has helpfully posted all the defense and prosecution exhibits here. This post is the third one (see Parts 1 and 2) focused on offering some observations and analysis on some of these documents. Cross-posted at The Left Coaster.]
In this post I'm going to talk about one of the most important aspects of the uranium from Africa fraud – the mysterious Iraq-Niger uranium purchase "accord" (NOTE: All emphasis in this post in quoted portions is mine, unless otherwise stated).
One of the memos released last week is a 10 June 2003 memo from Carl Ford, former chief of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), to former Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman. In this memo, Mr. Ford says:
In October 2002, an Italian journalist passed purported copies of a Niger-Iraq agreement of July 2000 for the purchase of uranium to Embassy Rome. [page 2]
With due respect to Mr. Ford, he was completely mistaken, probably because he wasn't told the whole story. I would find it utterly fascinating and deeply troubling if the chief of INR had not been told the real story, but since it appears that even the former chief of CIA's Europe operations (Tyler Drumheller) may have been kept in the dark on this, nothing's a surprise any more.
I'm not trying to pick on Mr. Ford here. This is a common mistake – to conflate the Iraq-Niger uranium "accord" (or "agreement") with the forged Niger dossier that Rocco Martino was peddling (in this case to Italian journalist Elisabetta Burba). As unbelievable as it sounds, from what we know to-date, these were two separate things. So, let me summarize what we know and the implications of what we know.
One not-so-widely known aspect of the Niger uranium hoax is that the fake Iraq-Niger uranium "accord" itself was NOT part of the forged dossier peddled by Rocco Martino. When Rocco Martino shared the forged Niger dossier with Elisabetta Burba of Panorama magazine in October 2002, there was no uranium sale "accord" among the numerous fake letters, memos and documents that he gave Burba. There was only an alleged "cover page" for the "accord". Hence, Burba herself never gave the U.S. Government "copies of a Niger-Iraq agreement of July 2000 for the purchase of uranium". Likewise, the IAEA themselves never received anything from the U.S. Government purporting to be the actual "accord". In other words, there exists an entire forged dossier with fake allegations about a uranium sale accord, but no actual accord in the dossier. Given that the CIA received the "verbatim text" of the accord from the Italian intelligence agency SISMI on 2/5/02 (which prompted Dick Cheney's inquiry that led to former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's Niger trip) and given that the accord was not in the Martino dossier, how did the "verbatim text" of the accord come into existence?
In fact, the accord or its "verbatim text" has not surfaced to-date despite being a key ingredient in this whole fraud. The forged Niger documents are all over the internet – but the fake uranium sale "accord" is not. Why is that exactly? The explanation is simple enough. Making the bogus uranium sale "accord" public will raise highly unpleasant questions about who forged the uranium sale "accord" and the Niger dossier and why (some answers here).
I discovered the importance of the "missing" accord through an investigation at The Left Coaster last year. In March 2006, I showed that a careful analysis of a terse footnote in the Robb-Silberman report leads us to conclude that the "verbatim text" of the accord was likely fabricated by the Italian intelligence agency, SISMI, in order to bolster the fake claims they had sent the CIA in October 2001. I suggested to reporters that one of the ways in which they could advance this story was by checking with the IAEA to see if the IAEA ever received anything purporting to be the "accord". Thanks to a huge favor from British journalist Solomon Hughes (who writes for the British magazine Private Eye and who contacted the IAEA), I confirmed my inference in a subsequent post in June 2006 based on the information received from the IAEA. I got a second source email confirmation of this recently from Newsweek's Michael Isikoff when I asked him about a similar mistaken claim in his book Hubris co-written with David Corn.
Let me step back and explain the significance of this. What I'm saying is that contrary to what you may have heard, the CIA actually had two documentary sources of fabricated Niger uranium information, as the CIA's Department of Operations (DO) revealed in a terse footnote in the Robb-Silberman report:
- The well-known Niger dossier peddled by Rocco Martino
- A separate documentary source that closely matched what was in the Niger dossier
The evidence I published in March/June 2006 indicates that the fake Iraq-Niger uranium "accord" (i.e., the "verbatim text") was the separate documentary source and that it was not part of the Martino dossier. Put simply, what this means is that one or more individuals within SISMI must have fabricated the "accord" (i.e., the "verbatim text" of the accord).
Now, some people may think it is incredulous that an allegedly sophisticated intelligence agency could have participated in the creation of such bogus materials. However, as I remarked recently in a detailed post discussing the forgeries and the question of motive:
…the Niger forgeries hoax was not just about the creation of the forgeries. It was primarily about how the forgeries were intended to be used. Put another way, the quality of the original forgeries would be largely irrelevant to bad actors who intended to "mainstream" the contents in a manner that preserved "plausibility", while being able to cover their a** by attributing the "intel" to a documentary source that they would never have to reveal (see Appendix 2 for a discussion on this point).
[...]
The picture that emerges is a campaign by some individuals within the Italian intelligence agency, SISMI, to systematically provide known-fraudulent information to the Bush administration to help them in their aggressive PR campaign against Iraq. This campaign (see Sec. 4) rivals those of fraudsters linked to the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and is arguably more serious in nature considering how it helped the Bush White House build a nuclear case for war. It is therefore naturally puzzling and disappointing that the U.S. mainstream media and the U.S. Congress have shown far less seriousness and interest in investigating and revealing the role played by SISMI in this matter, in comparison to the focus on the INC.
Let me illustrate how I think this campaign played out based on what is known and what I’ve uncovered to date (borrowed from this earlier post). In a previous post, I laid out the real motives that drove the forgeries, fabrications and transmission of information originating from the forgeries. I also summarized SISMI’s critical role in the whole operation during the late 2001-early 2002 time period. What I’d like to do below, is to present a chronological summary of key events (based in large part on the Phase I SSCI report and information uncovered since then) so that readers have a better perspective on the significance of SISMI’s actions in relation to the uranium from Africa hoax. (Note that page numbers in the table below are references to page numbers in the SSCI Phase I report. The color-coding in the last column of the table is intended to show how, at critical moments in this egregious affair, SISMI effectively attested to the credibility of their false reporting (red) – repeatedly trying to convince the unconvinced/skeptical (green) or interested CIA (yellow) that the allegations passed muster. This is another way in which one can arrive at an answer to the question of motive behind the forgeries and the associated cherry-picking and fabrication).
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SISMI
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Context
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Summer 2001
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CIA contacts France’s DGSE about uranium rumors re: Iraq; DGSE responds that the rumors are not credible |
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CIA satisfied that rumors of Iraq seeking uranium in Africa are not credible
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Fall 2001 [possibly Oct 2001]
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Rocco Martino tries to peddle Niger forgeries to CIA in Rome
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CIA chief allegedly throws Martino out judging his documents to be fake
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9/21/01
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SISMI tells CIA that Iraq may have discussed uranium with Niger
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10/15/01
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Sends CIA first known report transmitting cherry-picked information (from forgeries) with key alteration to make it appear that the "intel" was plausible
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SISMI tells CIA that there is credible information that Iraq purchased uranium from Niger
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10/18/01
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Considers 10/15/01 SISMI report as "possible" but "very limited" and "lacking needed detail"; INR regards report as "highly suspect" [p. 36] – asks SISMI for further "clarification"
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CIA not convinced by SISMI’s first report
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10/18/01
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SISMI chief Nicolo Pollari responds to CIA vouching for the report and for the "credibility of a source named La Signora" (who was part of the Niger forgery cabal)
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SISMI vouches for their report and for the "credibility" of their source (La Signora)
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10/18/01-2/5/02
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U.S. intelligence community still unconvinced and cannot corroborate SISMI’s claims
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(Pollari and Italy’s defense minister Antonio Martino secretly meet in Dec 2001 with US neocons – Michael Ledeen and others. Not clear if Iraq was discussed.)
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CIA still not convinced by SISMI’s claims. Did they ask SISMI to provide information on the "accord" itself?
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2/5/02
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SISMI sends CIA the fabricated "verbatim text" of fake Iraq-Niger "accord"; also adds Wissam Al-Zahawie into the mix to further boost plausibility of the "intel".
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SISMI transmits "verbatim text" of fake Iraq-Niger uranium "accord" to bolster their allegations; also adds Wissam al-Zahawie into the mix
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2/5/02
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CIA-WINPAC and DIA "more impressed" with detail and substance of second SISMI report; "report provided much more information than they had seen previously in similar reporting about alleged uranium transactions to other countries"; INR continues to doubt reporting [p. 38]
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Having seen the "verbatim text" of the "accord", CIA-WINPAC/DIA start to wonder if SISMI claims may be correct; INR still unconvinced
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2/12/02
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DIA writes up report based on SISMI’s "verbatim text" of the "accord" – attracts Dick Cheney’s attention and he asks WINPAC for more information. This leads to Joseph Wilson’s trip to Niger.
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SISMI’s "verbatim text" of "accord" attracts Dick Cheney’s attention and leads to the CIA sending Joseph Wilson to Niger to try and corroborate the allegations from SISMI
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2/3/02-3/1/02*
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Wilson’s trip fails to corroborate claims in SISMI’s reports. INR still unconvinced.
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CIA-WINPAC still has no corroboration that SISMI’s reports are credible
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3/1/02
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INR’s 3/1/02 report deems the whole thing "not likely"
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Questions persist in U.S. intelligence community on the reliability of SISMI’s allegations
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3/25/02*
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SISMI sends third report providing additional information on the alleged Niger uranium deal
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SISMI continues to send information backing up their original allegations
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Summer 2002
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CIA contacts France’s DGSE for corroboration – DGSE unequivocally declares the uranium allegations to be nonsense; key Aug 2002 CIA NESA Iraq WMD paper drops uranium claim altogether
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CIA on the whole convinced that uranium claim is not credible
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9/9/02
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SISMI chief Nicolo Pollari has fairly unprecedented secret meeting with Deputy NSA Stephen Haldley (and NSA Condi Rice) – all indications are SISMI likely vouched for their Niger reporting in this meeting and WH pushes CIA to approve uranium claim again and again for Bush speeches starting on Sep 11, 2002
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SISMI likely vouches for Niger claims again and WH begins aggressive push to introduce Niger uranium claim in Bush administration speeches using WINPAC stovepipe
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Let me add a couple of qualifications to the table:
- None of what I have described in this post should be read to mean that SISMI never changed their mind on the uranium matter. It is possible that sometime later in 2002 or 2003 SISMI may have tried to correct the false claims, but we know too little about that to be sure that something like that really happened.
- SISMI’s role in this affair does not in any way excuse what was done by WINPAC or the Bush administration. The scope of this post relates to the forgeries and the "accord" and to those who first transmitted information traceable to these documents. What was done in the US using the information sent by SISMI is an entirely different matter that I have discussed in other posts.
P.S. Given the seemingly unserious FBI investigation of the forgeries, probably made impotent by the Bush administration’s unwillingness to rock the boat in Italy and reveal more of the systematic fraud that occurred under the leadership of ultra-corrupt Bush pal Silvio Berlusconi, I don’t have a whole lot of hope that the truth will come out regarding the uranium "accord".
*P.P.S. Fixed a date typo in the table thanks to commenter along at FDL.
Related posts:
- Saddam Interrogation: US Still Trying to Show 9/11 Connection as Late as Mid-2004
- Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, and the “Unremarkable” Meat Grinder
- New White House Counsel Bob Bauer and Scooter Libby Justice
- Cheney’s Betrayal Made an IIPA Charge for Libby Possible
- FAA and NORAD Changed Records to Accord with Cheney Lies





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Fitz! Zed! FDL!!!
*edit* That’s two zeds this week… I think I’m addicted… >grin
eRiposte!
Like a burst of pure sunshine!
Adie @
2
eRiposte!
Like a burst of pure sunshine!
Adie:
Left you an EPU’d one downstairs….
eRiposte is in the house – how cool is that?
gotta read….
btw, gang — just a reminder that Charlie Brown — from the CA-04 who ran against Doolittle in the last campaign — will be Howie’s guest today for Blue America. :)
Excellent post
Two small points:
In fact, the accord or its “verbatim text” have should read “has”.
Now, some people may think it is incredulous should read “incredible”.
Wow – the dates!
A couple of things…..
1) Did the Brits get and/or use the ‘accord’ as justification?
2) What was in that ‘third’ SISMI report in Feb 2002?
3) Was there a house-cleaning in CIA ROME between Oct 2001 and Feb 2002 to clear the decks for that meeting between Mr. Martino and the Ledeen delegation?
(ok, that was three things)
aren’t there some prosecutions happening in Italy w/regard to all of this?
Gosh, the Aspen Institute has a branch in Rome.
eRiposte – Umm-Umm-Umm, Niger Mines! I’m enjoying these slices of YellowCake! Thanks for filling us in!
I got orphaned at the end of the last thread – waaaah! Hopefully, Christy is taking a well deserved break, so I thought I would ask you – even though it’s only indirectly related to the Cake Forgery –
Looking at it from the outside, it’s hard NOT TO IMAGINE that Rove took the ‘Target’ that was squarely on him and moved it onto Cheney, perhaps with the ‘help’ of Bartlett?
It was then that Luskin told the world that Rove was ‘not a Target’ (sub-text: not anymore, heh heh) of the investigation.
Can you see a realistic scenario where Cheney would HAVE TO testify for Libby in order to clear his own name of obvious, unaddressed wrongdoing?
Because of the Libby trial there has been a renewed focus in the media on the infamously false “16 words” in Bush’s 2003 SOTU speech two months prior to the start of the Iraq war. However, I haven’t seen much recent reference to the fact that in a speech Bush gave in Cincinnati in the Fall 2002 (October, I think) the CIA deleted the reference to the Niger fiction. This CIA action goes along with the repeated entries in the table above showing the CIA’s disbelief of the Niger forgeries.
It has never been satisfactorily explained as to why the Niger forgeries story made it back into the SOTU after having been deleted from the Cincinnati speech. Tenet claims to have been asleep at the wheel when it came time for the CIA to review the speech. For taking that bullet he got a Medal of Freedom from Bush upon leaving the CIA.
More likely the “16 words” were some version of a clever lie fed to Bush to deliver. It was not that the U.S. believed the Niger documents but rather the British (who didn’t know any better) believed them. And for that lie, almost 3100 US troops are dead today along with hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and 2 million Iraqis out of a population of 25 million have fled their country.
Wow!
Who are you who is so wise in the ways of bogus international intrigue designed to give undue credence for an illegal war?
That’s truly awesome and frightening investigation you’ve put together. I am awed.
Keep it coming, please!
Chimpy and the Dems:
“He said disagreeing with him over the war – as many in the room do – does not mean “you don’t share the same sense of patriotism I do.”
“You can get that thought out of your mind, if that’s what some believe,” the president said. “These are tough times, but there’s no doubt in my mind that you want to secure this homeland as much as I do.”
It couldn’t have been that you campaigned by saying that type of shit is it?
Frankly I think this is playing into Rove’s gamebook. Bush gets some long needed applause by the Democrats because his party has finally bailed out on him.
Now Bush gets to recreate himself as the new conciliator.
F-that.
-GSD
Thread Theorist @
10
This is only a small sidebar to eRiposte’s incredible entry; but, I heard this same thing on Al Franken’s show yesterday. Can it really be true that the acclaimed British intelligence service still holds to this?
Ian Fleming is spinning in his grave!
Before it’s over, the Democrats will crown him King to show they are bipartisan.
We need a two-party system.
okay – so I know that Berlusconi was one of the dirtiest guys ever.
But how does Italy/Berlusconi profit from this?
That’s a mighty big scam – and I’m not saying that it didn’t occur – quite the contrary – but…..
Where’s the payoff?
Awesome post, just awesome.
Fitz’ public claim in the Libby trial is that motivation of Plame’s outing was to punish Joe Wilson. He cannot be expected to claim that the real motve may have been to silence Plame and the Counter-Proliferation group that Plame headed, as occhams hatchet details in a lengthy post at kos.
Now we see the role played by WINPAC, a WH friendly group within CIA, to rescue the Niger claims from skeptics in CIA and State.
So my question: what do we know about what Plame’s group was doing to debunk the Niger claims? Was her group the non-WH “official” CIA source for Tenet’s efforts to remove the Niger claims from Bush’ speeches/justifications? If so, that link would explode the Libby trial, if there were a way to get it in. UPDATE: I guess the David Corn article cited in the occham hatchet post at kos is part of the answer?
eRiposte, Fascinating series of posts and quite infuriating. Every post of yours makes me feel like a citizen boxer taking another punch in the gut. Takes my breath away at the extent in which so many people and agencys are either involved or complacent. So many people should be indicted or at the very least fired.
I sure wish the likes of Frontline, PBS, would pick up these pieces for their series.
Hotflash, Aspen in Rome! Since AIPAC and Aspen Institute are the only lobby organizations who are exempt from new rules in the recent reform legislation passed by congress. I think we need full disclosure of every person or organization from which they receive support or dole it out to.
Good to see you here and some of these details getting more or wider exposure over the past few days. I have followed your posts on The Left Coaster (or at least tried to). Thanks for helping sort out so much of this very complicated web.
From yesterdy’s blogroll
LindyH says:
February 2nd, 2007 at 1:47 pm
New stuff on the DOJ website..video clips and pdfs.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/…..index.html
and the closed captioning works!!!!
Morning all, and great post & series eRiposte.
Where does Israel fit into this scam? Besides the obvious AIPAC connections?
Hugh @ 5
Thanks, I fixed the “have” but I need to think about the second one a bit. I also fixed a formatting error that led to a paragraph being repeated.
jayt @ 15
The payoff for Italy and this is pure speculation, is in the fact the US military will engage with the ME and maintain western control of the oil while keeping those rabid muslims in chaos.
OT, but I hope worthy of discussion.
On the Libby threads it’s been recognized that MSM coverage of the trial is practically non-existent. I believe Marcy brought up that The Daily Show now has someone there, but the show hasn’t really reflected that. I’m guessing that it’s because they don’t have anyone with the depth of understanding that Marcy and the others have, so they miss how important some of the stuff is.
I was wondering if maybe we, as a community, could put together a bare bones timeline that the general public could understand, and give it to the folks covering the trial for The Daily Show. It would have to be really simple to be useful on TV, including only the least questionable statements.
I’m thinking of something along the lines of:
According to Prosecution
Date – Cheney told Libby
Date – Libby told Ari
Date – Libby told Judith
According to Libby
Date-Russert told Libby
I’m just an interested spectator and barely informed. I’m just hoping that the connections FDL is making could help spread the word to The Daily Show audience.
Is anyone in Congress or the MSM exploring the forgeries? It seems to me that this was one of the key bricks in the foundation for going to war. And it was a lie.
Who was really behind all this? What role did Ledeen and the other neo-cons play in the forgeries? Was AIPAC involved?
By the way – outstanding post – keep up the great investigative work!!
johnSwifty @
13
Deal in Britain same as US. The agencies knew, intel was twisted by pols. Joe W is still alive, David Kelly is not.
Anyone remember what the name of the Italian journalist in Iraq that got killed was? Wasn’t there some connect?
Scarecrow at 16, that is what I have been thinking or wondering the past year or so while following eRiposte’s chronology. I believe Plame was the real target all along and as the nuke Iran option seems increasingly in play, I believe this even more strongly. She and her group would have been in a position to debunk the need for bunker busters in Persia.
scarecrow @
16
Scarecrow –
Let us consider this point as well: let’s recall that Valerie Wilson was a member of the Joint Iraq Task Force (see page 21 of Anatomy of Deceit), which, according to Marcy, was “convened under the aegis of the CIA in September 2001.”
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 26
Yes – I updated my comment to note that occham hatchet includes an extensive quote from David Corn’s article, on the JITF. Need to go find Marcy’s book, now.
HotFlash @ 24
Thanks, HotFlash, I had forgotten that. You really can’t make this stuff up. The stakes are obviously very high and human life is held very, very low. It’s chilling!
angie…
Where are you?
Haralambos @ 25
I remember some speculation that Valerie’s group had been responsible for stopping a shipment of WMD coming into Iraq from Turkey in Nov 2002. There, found the link at After Downing Street.
There’s a whole lot of folks who know stuff and can’t say it (Valerie W, Sibyl E, Russell Tice, on and on). But they are true patriots and will find a way to save their country from its government.
It is up to us to help however we can.
SParrish and Scarecrow–
So, can you start plugging stuff that came out of that Task Force into eRiposte’s Table and see when, exactly, the tide turned?
.
mattes,
this Italian journalist?
Thank you for this post. Excellent, informative stuff. The table format explained the chronolgy to me in a way that I didn’t get before.
RossK @ 31
I think it was more like constant warfare inside CIA, not some specific date/dates when one group began to prevail. Before the Cincinnati speech, the truth tellers prevailed; before the SOTU, the liars prevailed. They were still warring internally until Plame was outted. Later DCIs who replaced Tenet would implement a purge.
G’morning.
Remember ‘babies being dumped from incubators’ in the first Gulf War? That, from the PR firm of Knowlton & Hill.
Well, back at the outset of this war, when I first checked out Pentagon spokeswoman Torie Clark – in all her resplendent gory – I was surprised to see her background: Knowlton & Hill, Brent Bozell, John McCain, Mary Matalin, Dick Cheney and anthrax, 5 days BEFORE the 9/11 attack.
That was all the proof I needed that everything being spewed was wrong.
On another note entirely, for all you Warriors for the Good…
For those who wonder What Does It All Mean?
scarecrow @ 34
Dare I ask which side got purged?
slightly off topic but not entirely
I read on one of our previous threads that the neo con bloggers are as sure libby is winning as we are fitz is winning
anyone know anything about this?
WOW.. eRiposte great post, took me quite a while to read the whole thing with all the links and supporting doc’s/posts.
How can we get someone to investigate this?
So many crimes… only so many hours of for congressional investigations.
Still think that Abu Gonzales should be the first constitutional BushCo officer who should be impeached.
Forgeries. I’m so God damned f’ing weary of the Bush family acting as if they know what’s best for us. The who seems simple (Bush). The what to do also seems uncomplicated (prosecute). The only difficult part perhaps is ‘how’. I want action Democrats. Do you the f’cking hear me?
OK k – no, they dont.
perris @ 39
I know they think Cheney can hunt and Bush can articulate coherently and that the Easter Bunny arose from Jesus’ grave to bring jellybeans to everyone who votes Republican.
Does that help? [/snark]
Waiting for the Molly Ivans segment on CSpan2 and some idiot is slamming the blogs… saying they are not disciplined.
That Llewellyn King who looks as old as dirt needs to ready THIS post.
remember bush said, as he was campaigning for 2000, “that saddam, we’re going to take him out.”
don’t you think the neocons were manufacturing intel to use as a justification to go to war with iraq prior to the bush (stolen) election.
then 9/11 hits and they muscle that square peg into a round hole as their primary justification.
of course their fake documents come in handy to bolster the case against saddam.
i think the push back against joe wilson was motivated by a fear that the neocon connection to false documents would be revealed.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 41
I’ve proposed a simple, individual act that we all can easily do to help elected Dems ‘get’ it.
If they pass Warner’s bill – which prohibits funding cutoffs – I’m changing my registration card to Independent.
A few million doing that might catch their eyes.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 41
oklahoma kido, I have something I want to email to you
could you post an email address spelled out (dot com so you don’t get spammed)
katymine @ 44
Damned right. They wanna make something of it? Jane, I didn’t mean that, not the taser! I won’t say it again!
eRiposte!
On behalf of historians of the future, and civic activists of the present, my profound thanks.
The material you have painstakingly assembled and analyzed will stand the test of time.
Shorter version: YOU ROCK.
Haralambos @ 25
Some time last year, when the Pentagon requested funding for a Covert Ops Group, the need for improved intelligence on Iran was one of the reasons given. Here is an interesting quote from that time period
There was pressure from the White House, too. A former C.I.A. clandestine-services officer told me that, in the months after the resignation of the agency’s director George Tenet, in June, 2004, the White House began “coming down critically” on analysts in the C.I.A.’s Directorate of Intelligence (D.I.) and demanded “to see more support for the Administration’s political position.” Porter Goss, Tenet’s successor, engaged in what the recently retired C.I.A. official described as a “political purge” in the D.I. Among the targets were a few senior analysts who were known to write dissenting papers that had been forwarded to the White House. The recently retired C.I.A. official said, “The White House carefully reviewed the political analyses of the D.I. so they could sort out the apostates from the true believers.” Some senior analysts in the D.I. have turned in their resignations—quietly, and without revealing the extent of the disarray.
Molly Ivins is in our living room now. CSPAN 2. Thanks RevDeb for the heads-up.
New post at egregiousBlog.
I missed Charlie Brown! :(
But I sent him some $upport.
Hey, Nate. Patiently waiting.
Ok I’m incapable of patiently waiting.
Waiting, anyway.
Oklahoma kiddo, you’ve been very kind to me. I know we’re off the gratitude thread, but may I take this moment to thank you? Smooches.
OT Yoohoo, TRex.
Dangerstein is drooling on himself again. h/t Greg Sargent.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..ost_33.php
egregious at 52 — Charlie Brown doesn’t come on until 2 pm ET. He’s coming up next.
Kevin Hayden @ 44
The Resolution is a sense of the Senate and has only moral force. It has no force in law.
jayt
just got the EPU’d msg. Thanks loads. I don’t like it, but it does make a lotta sense.
perris @ 47
dennmax at pldi dot net
Kevin Hayden @ 46
I sadly cannot blame you.
perris @ 39
Of course with the neocon wingnut bloggers -profuse sweating, gnashing of teeth, pissing and shitting their pants doesn’t come through real well in text. What else can the Backwash say? ;)
witchywoman @ 53
Lieberman didn’t win by a big enough margin for Dangerstein to claim that his opposition “…waged a vendetta on behalf of the angriest few.” His margin wasn’t even in the same ballpark with the 12 percent poll predictions. Ergo, Dangerstein is full of crap. Anybody here surprised?
HotFlash @
38
Good non-question question.
Regardless, it sure would be interesting to know if both sides had the text of the ‘accord’ at the time. Or, alternatively was that held over the head of one side by the other (along with threats to screw a certain ’sensitive source’ who were being touted as the conduit of the ‘two streams’ of info)?
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You should never be sure of anything that goes to a jury for trial. You just never know what the verdict will be. But for me, in all honesty, the verdict is secondary — guilty for Libby would be nice, but exposing all of the Veep’s office dirty laundry and the Bush Administration’s assist, exposing their manipulative media practices to sunlight, and every other nasty little crawling, festering rock-hiding horrible ickiness? Worth every moment of typing that we have done.
And with all of that said, I think the government is doing a great job locking in the elements on the indictment charges. Agent Bond was quite good on the stand.
Good gawd Ms. Molly, (looking at da woman now on CSPAN2). Dammit Ivins, you’re so damn smart.
So, the Second Stream – referred to by Miller on the stand as ‘out of the scope of her testimony’ in the Libby Trial – is none other than:
The fabricated “verbatim text” of fake Iraq-Niger “accord”; [which] also adds Wissam Al-Zahawie into the mix to further boost plausibility of the “intel”.
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Now, honestly – What is Judy Miller doing in the middle of the ’second stream’ of the MOST CRITICAL PIECE OF INTEL that (fraudulently) took us to War?
Who was her ‘Source’ for that?
Did Scooter, under orders from Cheney and blessed by Bush, show Miller the Classified NIE ‘verbatim text’ of the Fake Niger “Accord” – the ’second stream’ – so that she would use it to write a Niger-Claim-Justification-Article for the New York Times?
If so, I think that dove-tails pretty well with your article above showing that CIA (except for WINPAC) and INR were unconvinced that the forged Niger Dossier could be ‘elevated’ to a Key Finding of the NIE – EVEN with the addition of the ’second stream’ - so much so CIA and INR kept it out of Bush’s speeches due to unreliability.
But, Bush and Cheney still had WINPAC, OSP and WHIG and through them they were able to ’suppress’ the negative findings of Wilson’s trip while ’shining-up’ the Dossier with the Fake Niger “Accord” (thus the later talking-point that ‘Wilson didn’t have all the intel) for inclusion in the NIE – and TA-DA! – the Facts were made to fit the Policy.
And, off to War we went…on the strength of the FAKE NIGER ACCORD – Bush and Cheney’s ’second stream.’
And to throw in some other familiar names into to this mix – during the time frame charted above, our ambassador to Italy was Mel Sembler (2001-2005).
You will also recall that he recently held a fundraiser for Joe Lieberman afler he had lost the CT primary.
And, as it couldn’t get more curious, Mel Sembler is the chair of the I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby defense fund.
Have a look:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap…..Senate.php
so glad to have found you all
repectfully,
d
and here is a post i made yesterday, wanted you all to know i read your blogs…..
you are one amazing bunch of human beings………the biggest compliment i could pay……..
just found you all two weeks ago through achenblog on washingtonpost.com……….
i am in awe…………and have been clicking on your blogs…….ALL OF YOU who have them…..can’t hardly keep up, have spent many hours on the computer this past week listening to all you have to say….but have been having trouble posting a comment in your blogs…….am a newbie at this……was out of the computerland for 10 years and now back in it……was in at the beginning, years ago, before many were on the net…….but a lot has changed………so, since couldn’t post on blogs, wanted you all to know i appreciated what you wrote, all of you.
keep it up. …it is spreading…….and growing…….and that is the point, isn’t it……
Christy Hardin Smith @
62
We have five counts and days of testimony so far. I don’t know what relates to what, I need a score card. Libby said this to GJ, he said this this and this at those dates which contradicts therefore point 2 proven. Or whatever. I’m so confused!
Did anyone see this NYT sub-headline?
“A bomb concealed in a truck destroyed a packed market, killing at least 92 people in one of the worst single acts of violence in Baghdad since the United States invasion.”
Now, did they mean to say that the invasion was the single worst act of violence? How long will it be before they ‘clarify’ their wording?
Molly likes (on CSPAN) Smith College. She went there. She’s says she “got a good education there”.
HotFLash at 67 — That’s why they do closing statements — to play connect the dots for the jury.
Yu’ll gotta get over to CSPAN. Good-Golly Miss Molly! is on!
Talking about the Shriners….who are in every damned parade we have here – regardless of what the celebration.
YES! @ 50–Yes!, and thanks for reminding me that Hersh has been so good on this. There is too much up for me to follow at the immediate moment on this thread.
Molly says the when she was writing for them, The NY Times was pompous. Who’d a thought?
oklahoma, you have mail
Another exquisite essay, eRiposte.
We truly are under siege by our own government.
eriposte -How does David Kelly figure into all of this? I found it unsettling that the difficulties that led finally to his death occured at the same time the Bush Admin was scrambling to discredit Wilson, and that one of the last people he communicated with was Miller. Did he have any knowledge of the British side of the sixteen words?
pow wow @ 76
actually, it’s our government that is under seige
we have been a country under seige since the supreme court installed bush as president, this was nothing short of a violence free coo
Christy Hardin Smith @ 70
Can we do it too? Or do we have to wait for the Official TAG Heur Time? So much Libby Trial, so little time and work to do, too.
Molly Ivins on CSPAN2 blows me away.
2strange @ 77
I don’t know the answer to this. I haven’t studied the Kelly case yet.
Who had the link the other day with JudyJudyJudy calling Petraeous to stop some action in Iraq where she was the imbed?
And the action did not go forward. I was wondering about that. Sorry, I don’t have the link.
Being the nut that I am, I think the table should start with the Energy Task Force, the drawing of plans to partition Iraq, Big oil’s sending the neocons to Italy.
but that’s just me.
Could it be that the reason Judy finally agreed to testify about July 03 was that Fitz agreed to ask her about contacts with Scooter only and not any one else, so she wouldn’t have to explain what Kelly meant by his “Dark Players” message? If one of my contacts had died under mysterious circumstances, it might explain alot of her odd behavior both on and off the stand.
eRiposte — Just to get this clear for myself: When you write “Carl Ford, former chief of the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR)” and “the former chief of CIA’s Europe operations (Tyler Drumheller)” do you mean “then-chief”? That is, were they the chiefs at the time the events you write about occurred?
Thanks.
bg @ 82;
here is the part about judy and petraeus, that i posted the other day. from someone else’s link…….
don’t remember which day it was, was new york magazine, might be able to find the article that way……..
epu’d from a link-article from new york magazine:
**When Colonel Richard McPhee ordered MET Alpha to pull back from a search mission and regroup in the town of Talil, Miller disagreed vehemently with the decision—and let her opinions be loudly known. The Washington Post ’s Howard Kurtz reprinted a note in which she told public-affairs officers that she would write negatively about his decision if McPhee didn’t back down. What’s more, Kurtz reported that Miller complained to her friend Major General David Petraeus. Even though McPhee’s unit fell outside the general’s line of command, Petraeus’s rank gave his recommendation serious heft. According to Kurtz, in an account that was later denied, “McPhee rescinded his withdrawal order after Petraeus advised him to do so.”**
i believe he is the new man in charge in iraq! “her friend”…. you all were talking about the ’small circle’ in washington…….and the aspen theory.
@83 forgot to say was when judy judy judy was imbedded in iraq, gathering wmd info……….was from article about her old boyfriends in washington that was posted in earlier thread
February 1st, 2007 at 9:39 am
Molly says Tom DeLay is “actively stupid”. I can hardly get up off the floor.
HotFlash @
67
Nice….deeep….breath….
Now exhale….
Again….
This stuff is where FDL comes into its glory. Keep a lookout for the nice clear summaries and commentary by Christy and the other wizards around here.
In the meantime, try not to freak-out over all the brainstorming ideas criss-crossing at light-speed in the comments section. That is a terrific strength of FDL’s community thought-process, but can be confusing for a lot of us from time to time. Eventually the dust will settle, and the view will clear considerably.
Heck, maybe even the MSM whizkids will learn somethin’ and actually start reporting unvarnished, non-spun truthiness.
{{{FDL}}}
bg@82
forgot to say-
someone also told me is in marcy’s book…….
d
Oklahoma kiddo @
69
You tryin’ to bait us goils?! Huh? Huh?
You BET she did! You BET she did! ;->
Oklahoma kiddo @
86
I woke up ALL the cats laughing at that one.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 62
that though would be preaching to the choir, it would tell us what we already know
those that support the president would ignore everything and point to an innocent verdict as some kind of vindication, they would call it an indictment of any criticism regarding this entire affair
from what I remember, the right winged BLOG said wells embarrassed bond and made the entire case look ridiculous
I’m reminded of some boxing matches me and my friends have bet with each other
each of us always thought our fighters punch went through and the opponents punch was blocked
in every close fight, I always thought my pick was the winner, my friends always thought their fighter was the winner
I fear the same thing might be happening here
eRiposte,
Thanks again for all your hard work. This gets more amazing all the time. Have you written a post that focuses strictly on the SSCI’s role in this story? Not much we can do about SIMSI and most of the other bad actors but I’d sure like to put some pressure on the Senate to investigate the smokescreen Pat Roberts seemed to be putting in place when he was chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
oregondave @ 84
Yup.
Minor edit: In the last entry in your table “Haldley” should be “Hadley”
Brownanserve @ 92
I haven’t written a post just on that but I plan to.
dmac @
85
Had lots of pen-pals, our Judy. David Kelly e-mailed her about “dark actors” just before he ‘committed suicide’. Kelly was on the hot seat for disagreeing with the official Tony BlairCo view of the threat Saddam posed. More here, UK Sunday Mail 20 July 2003.
Duplicate post deleted. Sorry
Christy… great program on Wild America about hummingbirds in the SW. Showing a bird sanctuary here where they have hundred feeders where they attract 5000 hummers.
Charlie, I supported your last campaign and I will support this one. I We need honest and honorable and tough representatives in our congress to sort out the mess that the neocons have made. My support will be small amounts, because it’s all I can afford, but I’ll send it along. Good luck to you!
Lindy
Brownanserve @ 93
Talk about bad actors. Pat Roberts ranks (choice of words is deliberate here) among the worst. Raw Story article here worth reading. This is not news, but the extent to which he was a tool of the White House, and his effectiveness in helping fix intelligence and cripple Congress’ oversight duty is flabbergasting.
HotFlash@67
Most people, espeically on the RIGHT, still think this Trial is about Libby Leaking Plame’s Name – they haven’t actually read the indictment.
Here’s a summary of the Indictment, updated with testimony as of 2/1. It would be a better summary if it contained the ‘money’ quotes from Cooper, Miller and the 8 Government Witnesses, but I haven’t had time to update it to that level of detail.
Rest assured, Libby is already toast. The RIGHT just doesn’t know it, yet.
Count one: obstruction of justice
The grand jury charges that Libby did “knowingly and corruptly endeavor to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice… by misleading and deceiving the grand jury” about when and how he learned that covert operative Valerie Plame worked for the CIA. He is also accused of misleading the grand jury about how he disclosed that information to the media.
* Libby’s own statements to the FBI and his GJ testimony are convicting him on this entire bill.
Here’s the story he tells the FBI and the GJ:
- Around July 10th, Russert asks Libby if he ‘knows that Wilson’s wife works at the CIA?,’ and then
- Russert says that ‘all the reporters know it.’
Libby for his part tells the Feds he was ‘struck’ by what Timmeh was saying. In fact, Libby tells the Feds this is the first he’s heard about Wilson’s wife!
A day or so later, July 12th, Libby says that he told Matt Cooper that ‘other reporters are saying that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA,’ but that he cautioned Cooper he wasn’t sure this assertion was true. Later the same day, he claims to have told Judith Miller the same things he told Cooper, including that he can’t be sure the assertion is true.
As of Feb. 1st, the testimony from Miller and Cooper does not corroborate Libby’s statements to the FBI and the GJ.
- Miller says Libby never mentioned ‘other reporters are saying that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA’ or that he wasn’t sure the assertion was true.
- Cooper says Libby never mentioned ‘other reporters are saying that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA’ or that he wasn’t sure the assertion was true.
- Golly, could you guess what Russert’s going to say about Libby’s story next week?
HE’S BUSTED! GUILTY!
AND RUSSERT GETS TO FINISH HIM OFF NEXT WEEK!
SWEET JUSTICE!
Count two: false statement
The grand jury charges that Libby “did knowingly and willfully make a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement” in an FBI investigation. Specifically, the indictment says Libby misled FBI agents in response to questions about a conversation with Tim Russert of NBC News in July 2003.
* Libby told the GJ that he first heard Plame’s name from Timmeh on July 10, when in fact the evidence admitted in the trial already shows he knew her name AND job in early June, and on multiple, multiple occasions came to re-know her name and job before his exchange with Russert.
BUSTED! HE’S GUILTY!
Count three: false statement
Libby is charged with misleading FBI agents about his July 2003 conversation with another reporter, Matt Cooper of Time Magazine.
* Libby told the FBI that in his conversation with Cooper on July 12th, he told Cooper that ‘other reporters are saying that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA,’ but that he cautioned Cooper he wasn’t sure this assertion was true.
Cooper’s testimony in the trial is that Libby never said to him ‘other reporters are saying that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA,’ or that Libby cautioned him that he wasn’t sure this assertion was true.
BUSTED! HE’S GUILTY!
Count four: perjury
After taking an oath to testify truthfully, Libby knowingly made a “false material declaration” about his conversation with Russert, the grand jury alleges.
* Libby told the GJ that Timmeh asked him if he was ‘aware that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA?’ And then he said Timmeh told him that ‘all the reporters know it.’ Libby told the Feds he was struck by this – it was the first he’d heard of Wilson’s wife at the CIA!
It’s been the testimony of eight government witnesses that they made known to Libby the fact that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA in the area of WMDs – before Libby had his exchange with Russert.
HE’S SO BUSTED! HE’S GUILTY!
Count five: perjury
Also under oath, Libby is accused of knowingly making a “false material declaration” about his conversation with Cooper.
* After lying to the FBI, Libby followed it up by lying to the GJ, and saying that he told Cooper that ‘other reporters are saying that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA,’ but that he cautioned Cooper he wasn’t sure this assertion was true.
Cooper’s testimony is that Libby never tells him that ‘other reporters are saying that Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA,’ or that he cautioned Cooper he wasn’t sure this assertion was true.
BUSTED! BUSTED! BUSTED! HE’S GUILTY!
There is no reasonable expectation that a ‘memory defense’ will overcome Fitz’ case.
Libby is going to do hard time, longer than he should have had to, partially because he is taking the rap for what should OBVIOUSLY be Rove’s charges – obstruction, false statement and perjury related to the Cooper conversation.
Let’s hope Libby falling on his sword, alone and incompetently, won’t frustrate our quest for Justice against a corrupt administration!
perris at 92 — Look, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Mine comes from years of watching criminal trial proceedings up close during my own trials and those of my colleagues, assessing jury reactions and assessing the evidence as it goes. I can’t speak to what, if any, experience some random person at some random right-wing blog does or does not have, because I didn’t read the post in question. But I’m telling you guys what I honestly think, not trying to spin stuff for some political purpose, because I don’t mess around with legal proceeding opinions. It doesn’t do anyone any good to do that.
If that’s not good enough, then fine, but I’m only telling you what I think. And that’s only as good as me – because I’m not a member of the jury. What the jury thinks is the only thing that counts in the end in terms of verdicts. But in terms of public opinion? Well, that is an entirely different question — and the headline coming out of Agent Bond’s testimony was that Cheney and Libby discussed outing Plame. I’d say that this is a pretty effective piece of information coming into the political arena from Agent Bond. And no amount of Wurlitzer bullshit takes away a note in Libby and Cheney’s own handwriting, now does it?
Jeebus, this isn’t some game. This is a question of justice and honor. And if people cannot see that there are both short term and long term consequences in this, then I’m not sure what more I can ever write to bring that home.
Fantastic reporting and analysis. Thank you for this over here at FDL, and your tireless work at the Leftcoaster.
I too was wondering what was in that third report, in Feb. 2002. Your account at the Leftcoaster, however, puts that on March 25, 2002, not Feb. 25.
If March is correct, that alters your timeline here, and changes the relationship of that third report to the March 1, 2002 INR report.
You have reported that this Third Niger Intel Report “said that the 2000 agreement by Niger to provide uranium to Iraq specified that 500 tons of uranium per year would be delivered in [DELETED].”
Do you believe the “information” in this report to be additional fabrication? Or is it cherry-picked from among some credible information?
radiofreewill @
101
Thanks for this, radiofreewill, it’s a great help to have box scores. Have you posted this anywhere that it’s easy to get to for ongoing reference? I mean, I can offer some wall-space to pin it up on if you don’t have a blog. The stuff here at FDL is great but it goes by so fast and it’s hard to keep one’s bearings. Click on me name.
eRiposte~
I agree with you that every [Redaction] has meaning. You have shown that, contrary to the spirit of the Classification laws that only material that is sensitive to National Security (rather than the craven political interests of the classifiers) be Declassified and available for public assessment. There was no NATIONAL SECURITY rationale to REDACT the “two-streams” comment from the SSIC Report, and there was no NATIONAL SECURITY rationale to REDACT the word “tranche” (shipment)from that report.
How many more of these REDACTIONS were used by Roberts to make it appear that Plame sent Wilson on the Niger Mission, when in fact there was [Redacted] material to the contrary. How many of the redactions were used to show that the CIA did send the report on to the White House?
You give another statement (from the SSIC Report?) that I found very interesting.
11. [REDACTED] On 10 October 2002, Embassy Rome reported on a meeting from the previous day with a journalist from the Italian magazine Panorama. The journalist provided the Embassy with a copy of documents alleging Iraq and Niger had reached an agreement in July 2000 for the purchase of uranium. […] Embassy Rome indicated that it had learned from CIA that the documents provided by the journalist were the subject of the CIA report issued on 5 February 2002, as described in paragraph three. […] The Directorate of Intelligence did not request or place a high-priority on obtaining the actual documents, at this time, [REDACTED SENTENCE].
Note that the last sentence is incomplete, ending in a comma.That suggests that the [Redacted] follow on statement explains WHY the CIA did not consider obtaining this document a high-priority. They knew about the documents, knew of their relevance, and yet they were not in any sort of hurry to obtain them.
I suspect that the last [redacted] part of the sentence (and any foloow on) that followed said that the reason why they were not anxious to obtain them was that they were REDUNDANT. The CIA already had copies of the documents in hand, knew they were forgeries, and therefore did not consider getting a SECOND SET all that critical.
Christy Hardin Smith @
102
In the very short time I’ve been paying attention, you opinion has always been sterling and decidedly honorable. That is a rare and beautiful occurrence in todays media; and, I thank and honor you for it — you and all posters here at FDL. It is frequently unpleasant to be woken to the realities and cruelties of skunk work policy decisions on a world stage. But I am firmly of the opinion that good people, such as yourselves, working tirelessly to drag the dark little intrigues into the light of day, will make the world a better place. Thank you, and don’t go changin’!
Shez @
34
That’s it, wish I could remember the article I read, indicating that what went down was suspect.
CHS @ 102
You and all the FDL people are good, honest, patriotic Americans. We lurkers and occasional posters love you and eagerly await the next thread you post.
Keep up the outstanding work!!
Clearly Senator Warner orders redactions. Who would he order to do this and are they (Warner and subordinates) breaking law when it is not a threat to national security?
Filter some of this into the mix and see what comes up:
U.S. intelligence insiders have pointed out that the White House is using ‘Rovegate’ and ‘Who in the White House said what to whom?’ as a smoke screen to divert attention away from the actual counter-proliferation work Mrs. Wilson and her Brewster Jennings & Associates team were engaged in. The arrival of Timothy Flanigan as Patrick J. Fitzgerald’s boss is likely related to the mountains of evidence Fitzgerald has now collected to indict senior White House officials, particularly, Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby, for criminal conspiracy in exposing a sensitive U.S. intelligence operation that was targeting some of their closest political and business associates. Libby, it will be recalled, was the attorney for fugitive global smuggler and Clinton-pardoned multi-billionaire Marc Rich, someone who has close ties to the Sharon government and Israeli intelligence. It is no coincidence that FBI translator-turned-whistleblower Sibel Edmonds uncovered nuclear material and narcotics trafficking involving Turkish intermediaries with ties to Israel at the same time Brewster Jennings and the CIA’s Counter Proliferation Division was hot on the trail of nuclear proliferators tied to the Israeli government of Ariel Sharon and the A. Q. Khan network of Pakistan.
Thread Theorist @ 10
Indeed, Tenet and the CIA (as well as the INR ~ and even the Pentagon (via Gen. Carlton Fulford’s report) knew that these talkes of an actual shipment being contracted were a Fantasia. In fact, the CIA probably had the original forgeries sussed out well before the 2002 NIE. That’s why Tenet opposed using the British White Paper as a “fact” statement regarding ANY AFRICAN CLAIMS.
The Niger “contract” was the basis for all the other assertions from other African countries.
Without the Niger “500 tons” being valid the reports of:
1) a mysterious shipment of “500 tons” of merchandise from a Somali port to an unknown recipient simply becaomes one of thousands of ship manifests whose contents and recipients are unspecified. There is no reason to assume that the contents were Uranium (and how it would have gotten to Somalia from Niger would be a major undertaking itself…and contradicts the “two tranches” model…which was obscured by redaction).
2) a large “unknown” shipment in a warehouse in Cotonou, Benin that, upon inspection, turned out to be cotton. Of course, one could argue that the Uranium was removed before the Navy inspected the warehouse. But then one has to believe the Niger forgeries that such a transaction occurred and that it was successful.
These “downstream” AFRICAN reports were thus denigrated by the CIA’s lack of trust in the original “contract” assertions. But the British MI6 accepted them…and this gave Hadley, Rice and Bush the opening that they desired.
Tenet twice contacted the National Security Council – Hadley first and then Rice- about why the British claims were full of bulldada and unreliable. That’s why they were excluded from the Cincinnati speech and in the President’s appeal before Congress to grant him War Powers. The CIA had briefed the SSIC on why the British White Paper claims were wrong, as well.
Yet the claim that Iraq was seeking Uranium from Niger suddenly shows up in the December 2002 list of “sanctions violations” that Iraq was involved – presented to the UN after Iraq made its IAEA Declaration.
It was this list that actually led to al Baradei requesting that the US provide justification for the claim…and the eventual PUBLIC deconstruction of the forgery after the SOTU Address.
bg @ 82
A quick Google for petraeus miller iraq yielded http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/…..ndex3.html — and the relevant quote is, I believe, this:
(boldfacing mine)
This is, I would claim, an small-scale example (i.e., at ‘way less than the 1% level of eRiposte’s and the other FDL Principals’ stellar, truly historical work) of how we distributed net-hive Progressive minds can work together to shed light on the nuances of this complex case of governmental gang-rape of the Body Politic. In other words, High Treason.
We know what you’ve been doing, you Bushistas. You’re goin’ down. The People Are Coming, and Molly sent us.
“Undersecretary of Defense for Policy and Plans Eric Edelman has been identified as then ‘then Principal Deputy’ to Vice President Dick Cheney’s recently indicted Chief of Staff Lewis Libby. Edelman replaced Douglas Feith, the chief architect of the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans, as Undersecretary after he was given a recess appointment by President Bush to the Pentagon post. Edelman left the Vice President’s office in June 2003 to take up his post as ambassador to Turkey. However, the indictment indicates that Edelman continued to be involved in discussions with Libby after beginning Turkish language training.
According to FBI sources, Edelman used his position as ambassador to Turkey to cement a triad of weapons and drug smuggling and money laundering involving Turks, Israelis, and Americans. The CIA and US Customs Service busted one nuclear smuggling ring involving South African-Israeli national Asher Karni, a Pakistani businessman named Humayun Khan, and a Turkish Jew with strong Israeli ties named Zeki Bilmen. The smuggling network involved companies in Cape Town; Secaucus, New Jersey; and Islamabad, Pakistan. Karni was convicted by a US court for smuggling nuclear triggers to Pakistan via South Africa. The identification of Edelman in the Libby indictment as one of those possibly involved in the outing of a CIA agent and a covert company bears directly on the use of Turkey as a major facilitator in the trafficking of WMD components, particularly to the AQ Khan network in Pakistan.
Re my 112: I don’t know where the ref to msg #82 came from when I quoted it. That msg isn’t there… Oh well. Others had answered the question before I refreshed. She (JudyJudyJudy, aka Judith F. Miller) is a piece of work, ain’t she.
It seems like it’s time for a friendly reminder that sock puppetry is reason for being banned from this site.
Let’s pick a monicker and stick with it.
Thanks, RBG. I rather wondered about that. “Handwriting” looked familiar.
Hotflash @ 96 and 2strange@76
Here’s something from Huffpo about the Kelly/Plame outing connection.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/….._8346.html
Check out the link to email 0165 in the comments. The email is from the Hutton investigation into Dr. Kelly’s death. Someone is trying to set David Kelly up with a Washington Post reporter who has “caught wind of our friend”. Kelly’s correspondent suggests SHE may need to be outed publicly. Hmm…
Many thanks to all at FDL for
shining light in dark corners.
Italy, Mel Semper, neo-cons Iran-Contra II – here is another possibly interesting link:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..rozen.html
eRiposte — this is exceptional work. Bothered me that Miller noted “two streams” and yet the “two streams” were excised…suggesting that she was either tipped off (leaked to) or that she was part of one of the streams.
I do wonder whether backtracking and following a certain universal fascist’s efforts in 2000-2001 might tell us more about the streams as they developed, but that’s my two cents.
cinnamonape @ 105 -
That Paragraph 11 you excerpted in #105 is from a 32-paragraph CIA background report on the Iraq-Niger issue given to Congress in early April, 2003. It’s Defense Exhibit #64, as faxed by the CIA to Libby (and Hannah) on June 9, 2003, available here (see 1/24’s exhibits):
http://wid.ap.org/documents/libbytrial/index.html
You have a more charitable interpretation of the CIA’s behavior with regard to the sentence you highlighted in that paragraph than I do. I think it’s a very damning admission from the CIA about their failure to carry out critical due diligence in a lead-up to war. But you may very well be right. The next paragraph in that document (#12) references the redaction in #11, by saying: “…for the same reasons articulated in paragraph eleven.”
Perhaps in fact the CIA already had its own copies of the forgeries by October, 2002.
radiofreewill @ 101
Great work! Here’s another approach to illustrate this. libby testified to Agents Eckenrode and Bond that although he had made public statements for the past three months that he had never heard about Plame until Novak’s article and never leaked anything about Wilson, this was due to him forgetting.
He then testifies that he:
a) was first told about “the ambassador’s wife” working in the CIA’s Counterproliferation Division by Cheney on June 12, 2003
b) He first learned about “an Ambassador’s” trip to Niger from the May 6th Kristof article.
c) He first learned Joe Wilson’s NAME only when it was published in Wilson’s July 6th op-ed piece “What I didn’t find in Africa.”
d) That he “forgot” all of the above and that when Tim Russert on July 10th or 11th told him that “Wilson’s wife works at the CIA, and that all the reporters in the Washington D.C. area knew that” he was surprised.
[Defense OPENING Argument asserted that Libby forgot because he was so busy with other, much more important, issues that such minor things as this conversation with Cheney would have been easily forgotten].
There were several other claims that Libby made regarding the conversation with Rove, Cooper and others that are at odds with their testimony…but that Libby advanced to suggest that he “believed” that he learned the information first from reporters.
Now let’s look at the timeline immediately adjacent to the events related by Libby in his statements to the FBI.
~ 5/6 Kristof article “Ambassador”
~ 5/29 Libby asks Mark Grossman re. “Ambassador’s trip”.
Grossman doesn’t know, asks Armitage (who also is in the dark) but learns from Carl Ford & Walter Kanstiener that “the Ambassador” was Joe Wilson (who Grossman knows). Grossman then contacts Armitage that it was “Joe Wilson”
~June 8 – Condy on Meet The Press countering Kristof article
~June 9- CIA faxes docs attn. to Libby ( 1 other in OVP- possibly Edelman). The docs. lack Wilson’s name (refer to a “source”) but Libby writes “Wilson” and “Joe Wilson” upon them.
~June 10- The Classified INR Report sent from Carl Ford to Grossman. One paragraph marked “SNF” (Secret/Non-Foreign) says “Valerie Wilson, a CIA WMD mgr. and wife of Joe Wilson.”
~June 11th- Libby calls CIA Officer Robt. Grenier re. trip. Grenier says he’ll try and find out what happened. He finds out that Wilson’s wife is CIA employee. Libby insists that Grenier leave meeting Grenier is in with Tenet to discuss. Grenier tells Libby that “Wilson’s wife” is CIA employee in CPD. He also said that not only Office of the Vice President, but also Defense and State Dept. made inquiries re. Iraq-Niger Uranium link. Libby asks Cathie Martin to speak to CIA PR man Bill Harlow about possible statement from CIA stating that OVP wasn’t involved in trip. Martin later (@ July 8th)relates back to both Libby and Cheney that “Wilson’s wife is a CIA agent”.
~June 11-12 Grossman tells Libby “Joe Wilson’s wife works for the CIA” Grossman tells Libby he’ll have INR prepare a report on the reason and details of Wilson’s trip.
~June 12 Pincus article re. “unnamed Ambassador’s trip” ~ “unnamed Administration source” asserts that neither Cheney nor the OVP was involved.
Much discussion in OVP, NSC, State Dept. re. Wilson’s trip. Armitage asks INR for more details re. their June 10th report.
Cheney tells Libby that Wilson’s wife works for the CIA CPD. Libby understands the info. comes from Tenet. He then claims to FBI investigators that he forgets this information ( Defense argues: because of involvement in other more pressing tasks).
{RBG Note; I’m going to try to copy the rest of your comment into several shorter comments for you. It’s much too long for the filters to handle.}
{RBG Note; the balance of cinnamonape’s comment is below}
Let’s see just how involved Libby was in the Joe Wilson issue and if he actually forgot this information.
~June 13 Armitage > Woodward
‘Wilson’s wife is in CIA- WMD analyst’
~June 14 Libby > CIA briefer Craig Schmall at Libby’s home disc. Niger trip. Schmall’s notes say Libby referred to “Joe Wilson” and “Valerie Wilson”.
~June 17 & 18 Tenet rec. memo from CIA analysts that there was “no credible info that Iraq was seeking Niger Uranium”. Shares memo conclusions with Cheney and Libby.
~June 19 New Republic quotes “Ambassador” as saying Administration “knew the Iraq story was a flat-out lie”. Scooter and Edelman discuss NR story and Edelman asks if details of the trip from CIA can be made public, Libby says there would be problems with the CIA if there was Public Disclosure.
~@June 20-23 Woodward interviews an “Administration official” re. his book. In list of his prepared questions is reference to “Joe Wilson’s wife”.
~June 23 Libby >Judy Miller. Libby tells Miller that Wilson’s wife might work at bureau of CIA.
Woodward > Libby (phone call) discuss contents of classified NIE rebutting Wilson’s claims but no typed notes re. “Wilson” or his wife.
~July 2 David Sanger interviews Libby re “16 words”. Libby discloses contents of NIE.
~ July 6 Wilson Op-Ed, he appears on MTP, quoted “on the record” by Leiby and Pincus. Armitage tells Carl Ford to forward INR memo to Colin Powell.
~ July 7 OVP talking points to ARI “VP didn’t know about Wilson’s trip” Didn’t request it, didn’t see the results.
Libby >ARI at Lunch. Libby tells ARI “Wilson’s wife sent Wilson, she works in CPD of CIA. Libby uses the name “Valerie Plame” and says the subject is ‘hush-hush and on the QT’
ARI testifies he thought the conversation was “kind of weird” but that he didn’t think that the information was classified.
~July 8 – Libby > Judy Miller at St. Regis 2 hr. discussion on NIE, Millers notes alos say “Valerie Flame”, “wife works at WINPAC” Libby notes: “Tell Judith Miller”
Cathie Martin relates Hadley conversation re. CIA statement to both Libby and Cheney and notes that “Wilson’s wife is a CIA agent”.
Andrea Mitchell “High level CIA officer” says “they didn’t even look at Wilson’s report, didn’t know it was Wilson who made report – he was sent over by low level operatives- not even tasked by Vice-President”. Reuters reporter fed similar story.
Libby asks Addington about whether there would be paperwork involved in CIA “sending an employees spouse on a mission”. Addington said yes, discussed the different paper trail that might exist in covert vis-a-vis Intelligence Divisions. Libby asks about whether President can declassify classified information. Immediately leaves Addington’s office to go into meeting with Cheney and Hadley.
Afternnon- Armitage > Novak. Novak asks about why Wilson sent. Armitage: “Don’t know. But his wife works OUT THERE.” [? Implies she’s covert field agent in Niger?? Or was phrasing by Novak about “Langley”?]. Immediately following this Novak unwittingly tells a friend of Wilson’s that “Wilson’s an asshole! CIA sent him. His wife Valerie works for the CIA as a WMD specialist. She sent him.” Wilson’s friend contacts Wilson and they document the exchange…complain to Eason Jordan (CNN, Novak’s boss) about Novak’s behavior and CIA.
July 8-9 Novak > Karl Rove. Novak raises issue of “Valerie Wilson” says “she sent her husband.” Rove “I’ve heard that, too” confirmation.
July 9 ~ Hadley meeting with VP and staff re. Tenet statement copping to “16 words”. Hadley raises Andrea Mitchell report. Cathie Martin thinks that Hadley is accusing her of being the leaker to Mitchell. Hadley, Cheney, Libby decide to “keep communicators uninvolved”. [Perhaps because they were finding out information re. Plame’s status and destroying shield of PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY?]
July 10- Libby calls Mary Matalin re. advice on how to handle Wilson matter. She suggests going to Russert.
July 10-11 – Libby calls Russert to discuss Chris Matthews coverage on Wilson and Niger. Libby asserts that Russert tells him “for the first time” (that he can recall) “about Valerie Plame sending Wilson” and that all the DC Press Corps knew about her being involved in WMD in the CIA. “I was surprised” at the information. Russert denies knowing about Plame at this point, or even Wilson’s name until his Op-Ed article.
Later Libby and Rove speak. Libby learns about Novak discovery about “Wilson’s wife” and Libby claims he shares with Rove that Tim Russert told him about the whole Wash. DC Press Corps knowing about Plame in the CIA.
I think that Fitz has evinced much of the above evidence in testimony that basically demonstreates that it’s nearly impossible for Libby to forget the conversation he had back on June 12th with Cheney. He was using all this information repeatedly in his contacts and activities…as well as Wilson’s name.
So why did he “cover up” this event in the manner he did?
{RBG Note; so how’d I do?}
along @ 103
Whoops…sorry, yeah report 3 is 3/25/02 not 2/25/02…inadvertent typo….I need to move that cell down one row in the table. Thanks for catching that. Doesn’t change anything in my story…just an inadvertent error. I will fix this soon. Thanks!
I Know It’s Wayne, but @ 113
Germane to this is how the original 1999 mission to Niger by Wilson began. Unlike the 2002 mission, Plame did suggest that her husband might be conducive to finding out about a report that she heard about that involved NIGER. In the classified sections of the SSIC report that prior mission by Wilson is completely obscured…one would hardly infer that he even went on one. This was intentionally done because Senator ROBERTS wished to confabulate rationales for that first trip into the second trip. But in the INR memo declassified for this trial we find that Wilson’s contact Mai Manga, again discusses the contacts made back in 1999 with IRAN and PAKISTAN with Niger.
This is the reason that Wilson was sent on that 1999 investigation by the CIA, and he discovered that both Pakistan (AJ Khan) and Iran, both had made serious efforts at trying to obtain yellowcake for their nuclear programs. Thus Wilson’s original trip was fruitful in demonstrating that these nations were actively involved in developing their nuclear programs.
Plame seems to have been aware of these reports – suggesting her involvement in either counter-proliferation teams trying to stop Pakistan or Iran from obtainining nuclear materials.
Thus there was NO REASON that she needed to “refer” her husband a second time. Her superiors in the CPD would have known about Wilson’s prior successful interactions with former Nigerian officials who might know about such contacts at the very time he made his 1999 visit!
This was partially another reason the CPD likely thought poorly of the rumor…Wilson had been there contemporaneously with these supposed Iraqi efforts and heard nothing. And any officials would have known that the USG was “watching”. Certainly no one would have done something so inane as getting PERMISSION for an ILLEGAL sanctions-busting deal with the Niger Supreme Court!
But Wilson’s 1999 investigation had already gone over much the same ground that Cheney was asking his briefer to look into yet again. The Directorate of Intelligence felt it was redundant. INR thought the same info could be checked into by the Ambassador. Some in WINPAC apparently thought that it was bad to send Wilson, as he might be prejudiced and not want to find something…it would imply his prior mission was shoddy, and stuff was happening right under his nose (despite its two success stories).
I suspect that the CPD, as well as most of the folks in the Intelligence Directorate scoffed at these reports of an Iraq deal. INR certainly did. It may be that only a few WINPAC moles associated with Bolton gave them any credit. From the records of the Wilson briefing (in which, it seems, some details of the “contract” were broached…even IF Wilson was not SHOWN the actual “contracts”) this is apparent.
But it seems that Plame was involved, at least in 1998-99 with some group involved in Pakistan and/or Iran to have heard about THEIR possible linkages with Niger.
Senator Roberts intentionally “twisted” the SSIC report so that it would look as if Plame was far more involved in sending her husband the second time than she actually was. In addition, he apparently had his investigators ignore or not interview those at the CIA who were involved in sending Wilson…relying instead on a third-hand INR report (the Ford memo) that even used materials from someone who clearly wasn’t even in attendance at the meeting.
Implied by this (and perhaps stated expressly above) is that the admin was more worried about being caught forging documents to promote the war than with outing a CIA agent. No?
johnSwifty @
30
Here’s a short list from 2002 on suspicious deaths in that particular field. I think the total is about 3-4 times this many now.
t’s a tale only the best conspiracy theorist could dream up.
Eleven microbiologists mysteriously dead over the span of just five
months. Some of them world leaders in developing weapons-grade
biological plagues. Others the best in figuring out how to stop millions from dying because of biological weapons. Still others, experts in the theory of bioterrorism.
[…]
The sudden and suspicious deaths of 11 of the world’s leading microbiologists.
Who they were:
1. Nov. 12, 2001:
Benito Que was said to have been beaten in a Miami parking lot and
died later.
2. Nov. 16, 2001:
Don C. Wiley went missing. Was found Dec. 20. Investigators said he
got dizzy on a Memphis bridge and fell to his death in a river.
3. Nov. 21, 2001:
Vladimir Pasechnik, former high-level Russian microbiologist who
defected in 1989 to the U.K. apparently died from a stroke.
4. Dec. 10, 2001:
Robert M. Schwartz was stabbed to death in Leesberg, Va. Three
Satanists have been arrested.
5. Dec. 14, 2001:
Nguyen Van Set died in an airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in
Geelong, Australia.
6. Feb. 9, 2002:
Victor Korshunov had his head bashed in near his home in Moscow.
7. Feb. 14, 2002:
Ian Langford was found partially naked and wedged under a chair in
Norwich, England.
8. 9. Feb. 28, 2002:
San Francisco resident Tanya Holzmayer was killed by a microbiologist
colleague, Guyang Huang, who shot her as she took delivery of a pizza
and then apparently shot himself.
10. March 24, 2002:
David Wynn-Williams died in a road accident near his home in
Cambridge, England.
11. March 25, 2002:
Steven Mostow of the Colorado Health Sciences Centre, killed in a
plane he was flying near Denver.
source
RBG @ 122
Great! Thanks!
I think someone else could create an even more succinct “evidence” timeline with a few more ‘bombs’ in there that Fitz has built up.
Now…why did Libby create THIS tale?
It relates to the Cheney memo…a memo that he kept hidden (or forgot ;-) despite the subpoenas requiring all materials relevant to the investigation. I suspect he got very frightened after several reports and Schmall’s subsequent discussion about the risks involved in “outing” a CIA officer. This was the same time that discussion was emerging about whether it was a violation of the Iintelloigence Agents Identity Protection Act if one accidently revealed a covert agents identity.
Thus Scooter had to create an alibi wherein he was not involved in an INTENTIONAL series of leaks that revealed her identity, but that his leaking was accidental…based on information that he BELIEVED he had obtained from an UNCLASSIFIED SOURCE (Russert…who tells him the whole Washington Press Corps already knows this).
The irony is, that unless some additional, non-public material comes out that he actually knew that Plame’s status was classified…Libby may have walked if he had told Fitz and his investagators the whole truth.
He got screwed by his COVER-UP!
cinnamonape @127
The irony is, that unless some additional, non-public material comes out that he actually knew that Plame’s status was classified…Libby may have walked if he had told Fitz and his investagators the whole truth.
I don’t understand this ??? … Libby knew Plame was CPD in June
@ 124 cinnamonape says :
… It may be that only a few WINPAC moles associated with Bolton gave them any credit. …
My recollection is that much the same thing happened on the aluminum tubes. The koolaiders were few, were heavily outnumbered and were heavily outranked professionally, but won the day anyway.
From eRiposte’s table, meeting of 9/9/02:
SISMI chief Nicolo Pollari has fairly unprecedented secret meeting with Deputy NSA Stephen Haldley (and NSA Condi Rice) – all indications are SISMI likely vouched for their Niger reporting in this meeting and WH pushes CIA to approve uranium claim again and again for Bush speeches starting on Sep 11, 2002
I’m sure it’s all Oh So Top F’ing Secret, but is there any chance in hell of the SSCI being successful in a subpoena of the details of this meeting? There would have to be records, right? If this meeting happend, wouldn’t record-keeping be a legal requirement, and their preservation too?
Or does “executive privilege” win the day again?
blue e @ 128
DOH! I should have said “covert” not “classified”.
I do see that Libby could be charged successfully with other laws that relate to National Security.
My comment relates only to his fear of being prosecuted under the Intelligence Agents Identity Protection Act, which has VERY high (almost unusable) standards for a Prosecutor…which makes it almost worthless as a law to protect covert agents, IMO.
But Libby was clearly negligent with the use of classified information, and violated his Security Clearance repeatedly. And the timeline also is interesting in his release of information of the NIE. It seems he may have revealed the section about Niger BEFORE Bush “declassified” it. He talks to Addington after he has discussed it with several reporters.
[Or maybe he was discussing the use of Presidential declassification to “out Plame”?]
The obsession of the WH about this issue is what is compelling. There were dozens of falsehoods that the WH promulgated about WMD’s that were challenged, and they simply chose to ignore them. Even on this one they admitted they were “wrong”…and likely could have run with the British White Paper explanation until the claims were forgotten. Yet it it seems this one they fought tooth and nail on…even to the point of outing a CIA officer involved in the CPD. Even to the point of UNIQUE in US HISTORY, of having a President declassify part of a document to attack a critic (a pattern then repeated with the charges of the Iraq War actually fomenting terrorism).
I can easily see why people think that there is something tied to this specific Niger claim, or Plame’s work on other topics, that was the REAL reason that the Administration acted so aggressively and virulently on this challenge.
Btw – If anyone’s interested in the 9/9/02 meeting, eRiposte covers it in as much detail as is possible at
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/…..35.php#3_5
Quoting from the Conclusion there:
The information and analysis offered in this post provides compelling evidence that, at the September 9, 2002 meeting between Nicolo Pollari and Stephen Hadley, it is more than likely that the topic of the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal must have come up and that Pollari must have vouched for the credibility of SISMI’s reporting on that deal in some form or the other. This was the most likely trigger for the NSC’s attempts to introduce a claim about the “500 tons” of uranium into Bush’s September 2002 UN speech.
This is consistent with the reporting of La Repubblica:
In an explosive series of articles appearing this week in the Italian newspaper La Repubblica, investigative reporters Carlo Bonini and Giuseppe d’Avanzo report that Nicolo Pollari, chief of Italy’s military intelligence service, known as Sismi, brought the Niger yellowcake story directly to the White House after his insistent overtures had been rejected by the Central Intelligence Agency in 2001 and 2002.
…
Today’s exclusive report in La Repubblica reveals that Pollari met secretly in Washington on September 9, 2002, with then–Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley.
So, it wasn’t enough that SISMI was peddling information that they knew to be a fabrication. They were likely peddling it directly to the White House because the CIA thought that it was a pile of crap.
The above reads better at TLC, with all the context, links, emphasis, etc.
130: I can easily see why people think that there is something tied to this specific Niger claim, or Plame’s work on other topics, that was the REAL reason that the Administration acted so aggressively and virulently on this challenge.
I do also suspect Cheney was “at war” with the CIA because of some combination of mistrust, suspicion, and alleged incompetence. And this played a role in the decision to refute Wilson so strongly.
But I think the main reason for the effort had to be because the charge Wilson was leveling at them was so damn serious.
They obviously shoule have been leaning backward, not forward, when it came to anything at all “Plame” outside of the very strict confines of the WH or OVP and those who had the appropriate security levels. But I think it’s more likely they f*cked up when they leaned across the line in their zeal, more thn it was some larger attempt to blow B&J out the water.
In case you missed it, there’s a tasty piece here by Brent Budowsky:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..40305.html
…
When we were writing the original law, not one of us, could have ever imagined that identity disclosers would be high officials in the U.S. government. The law was aimed at people very hostile to the U.S., who were acting in a manner that helped the KGB.
It was unthinkable to all of us, that anyone involved in these disclosures, felonious or not, would be high in the U.S. government.
…
Oops!!!!!!!!
One more odd scientist disappearance to note:
LA Times.
NOTE-I’m not claiming his disapperance is connected to this case or the other scientists who met an early demise, I’m just pointing it out.
I think here too there is an Aspen connection. In Italy one person who might have figured in this is Lamberto Dino (”the toad”), a former bank owner and honcho at IMF and later the vice president of the Italian Senate, & even for a short while prime minister after Berlusconi resigned. He had sizable dealings with Niger on Uranium sales.
In May 26, 2003 Dino (who did grad work in the U.S.) attended the Nato meeting in Prague discussing nuclear weapons in Iraq & lead up to war: http://www.nato-pa.int/Default.asp?SHORTCUT=401
In June 2003 he participated in Aspen Strategy Group conference Trans-Atlantic Relationship at the Cross Roads. One of the things he was heavily involved with is uranium and Niger (in part because of his role in foreign affairs.
http://american_almanac.tripod.com/transaqu.htm (from Executive Intelligence Review: July 18, 1997 )
http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/jaurg.htm
By Oct 21, 2003 Dino was accused of taking kickbacks in acquisition of Telecom Serbia (sold by Telecom Italia). Dino is said to have received some $50 million in bribes; his wife given a suitcase with $5 million in cash (Telecom)
http://www.novinar.com/mednaro…..m_novice=5
http://www.europeanfoundation.org/docs/173id.htm
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2…..-f11.shtml
[Mod note; next time, let’s split this many links into two comments, OK?]
What amazes me to this day, is how so many people actually BELIEVED this absolute BS about the “Aluminium Tubes” from Africa.
At the time I honestly thought it was a ridiculous concept and obviously false.
Seriously, WHY would a country who supposedly had nuclear WMDs (not to mention biological and all the other crap the White House told the world) outsource Aluminium tubes from Africa???
When the story first hit the corporate media I knew straight away it was bullshit and couldn’t understand why journalists were taking it seriously. It was just so obviously rubbish.
A modicum of common sense would have told anyone who wanted to do the smallest amount of research that the story was false.
This is what probably, more than any other one thing, (except the term “Pre-emptive Strike”) alerted me to the fact that Bush & co. were going to invade Iraq regardless, and they didn’t really give a damm if they broke international law or whether anyone in the world believed their BS.
If they weren’t even going to try to concoct a reasonable story, then they obviously didn’t give a flying fuck what the world, congress, the UN, the citizens of Iraq or America thought…
Moreover, for Powell to use this rubbish as part of his presentation to the UN and for Bush to use it in his SOTU speech, well their reasons for Iraq were really just pathetic.
Interesting. The timeline and the fact that French intelligence was not inline with the forged documents might also explain all the France bashing that the world had to watch the US engage in prior to and just following the Iraq invasion. Although the chance is slim, could their be a correlation between those seemingly unconnected events?