
[Preface: In the midst of her incredible live-blogging effort at FDL, Emptywheel took some time to send me links to some of the documents from the trial proceedings that have been made public by Libby's legal firm. Since then, I became aware that the AP has helpfully posted all the defense and prosecution exhibits here. This post is the third one (see Parts 1 and 2) focused on offering some observations and analysis on some of these documents. Cross-posted at The Left Coaster.]
In this post I'm going to talk about one of the most important aspects of the uranium from Africa fraud - the mysterious Iraq-Niger uranium purchase "accord" (NOTE: All emphasis in this post in quoted portions is mine, unless otherwise stated).
One of the memos released last week is a 10 June 2003 memo from Carl Ford, former chief of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), to former Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman. In this memo, Mr. Ford says:
In October 2002, an Italian journalist passed purported copies of a Niger-Iraq agreement of July 2000 for the purchase of uranium to Embassy Rome. [page 2]
With due respect to Mr. Ford, he was completely mistaken, probably because he wasn't told the whole story. I would find it utterly fascinating and deeply troubling if the chief of INR had not been told the real story, but since it appears that even the former chief of CIA's Europe operations (Tyler Drumheller) may have been kept in the dark on this, nothing's a surprise any more.
I'm not trying to pick on Mr. Ford here. This is a common mistake - to conflate the Iraq-Niger uranium "accord" (or "agreement") with the forged Niger dossier that Rocco Martino was peddling (in this case to Italian journalist Elisabetta Burba). As unbelievable as it sounds, from what we know to-date, these were two separate things. So, let me summarize what we know and the implications of what we know.
One not-so-widely known aspect of the Niger uranium hoax is that the fake Iraq-Niger uranium "accord" itself was NOT part of the forged dossier peddled by Rocco Martino. When Rocco Martino shared the forged Niger dossier with Elisabetta Burba of Panorama magazine in October 2002, there was no uranium sale "accord" among the numerous fake letters, memos and documents that he gave Burba. There was only an alleged "cover page" for the "accord". Hence, Burba herself never gave the U.S. Government "copies of a Niger-Iraq agreement of July 2000 for the purchase of uranium". Likewise, the IAEA themselves never received anything from the U.S. Government purporting to be the actual "accord". In other words, there exists an entire forged dossier with fake allegations about a uranium sale accord, but no actual accord in the dossier. Given that the CIA received the "verbatim text" of the accord from the Italian intelligence agency SISMI on 2/5/02 (which prompted Dick Cheney's inquiry that led to former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's Niger trip) and given that the accord was not in the Martino dossier, how did the "verbatim text" of the accord come into existence?
In fact, the accord or its "verbatim text" has not surfaced to-date despite being a key ingredient in this whole fraud. The forged Niger documents are all over the internet - but the fake uranium sale "accord" is not. Why is that exactly? The explanation is simple enough. Making the bogus uranium sale "accord" public will raise highly unpleasant questions about who forged the uranium sale "accord" and the Niger dossier and why (some answers here).
I discovered the importance of the "missing" accord through an investigation at The Left Coaster last year. In March 2006, I showed that a careful analysis of a terse footnote in the Robb-Silberman report leads us to conclude that the "verbatim text" of the accord was likely fabricated by the Italian intelligence agency, SISMI, in order to bolster the fake claims they had sent the CIA in October 2001. I suggested to reporters that one of the ways in which they could advance this story was by checking with the IAEA to see if the IAEA ever received anything purporting to be the "accord". Thanks to a huge favor from British journalist Solomon Hughes (who writes for the British magazine Private Eye and who contacted the IAEA), I confirmed my inference in a subsequent post in June 2006 based on the information received from the IAEA. I got a second source email confirmation of this recently from Newsweek's Michael Isikoff when I asked him about a similar mistaken claim in his book Hubris co-written with David Corn.
Let me step back and explain the significance of this. What I'm saying is that contrary to what you may have heard, the CIA actually had two documentary sources of fabricated Niger uranium information, as the CIA's Department of Operations (DO) revealed in a terse footnote in the Robb-Silberman report:
- The well-known Niger dossier peddled by Rocco Martino
- A separate documentary source that closely matched what was in the Niger dossier
The evidence I published in March/June 2006 indicates that the fake Iraq-Niger uranium "accord" (i.e., the "verbatim text") was the separate documentary source and that it was not part of the Martino dossier. Put simply, what this means is that one or more individuals within SISMI must have fabricated the "accord" (i.e., the "verbatim text" of the accord).
Now, some people may think it is incredulous that an allegedly sophisticated intelligence agency could have participated in the creation of such bogus materials. However, as I remarked recently in a detailed post discussing the forgeries and the question of motive:
...the Niger forgeries hoax was not just about the creation of the forgeries. It was primarily about how the forgeries were intended to be used. Put another way, the quality of the original forgeries would be largely irrelevant to bad actors who intended to "mainstream" the contents in a manner that preserved "plausibility", while being able to cover their a** by attributing the "intel" to a documentary source that they would never have to reveal (see Appendix 2 for a discussion on this point).
[...]
The picture that emerges is a campaign by some individuals within the Italian intelligence agency, SISMI, to systematically provide known-fraudulent information to the Bush administration to help them in their aggressive PR campaign against Iraq. This campaign (see Sec. 4) rivals those of fraudsters linked to the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and is arguably more serious in nature considering how it helped the Bush White House build a nuclear case for war. It is therefore naturally puzzling and disappointing that the U.S. mainstream media and the U.S. Congress have shown far less seriousness and interest in investigating and revealing the role played by SISMI in this matter, in comparison to the focus on the INC.
Let me illustrate how I think this campaign played out based on what is known and what I've uncovered to date (borrowed from this earlier post). In a previous post, I laid out the real motives that drove the forgeries, fabrications and transmission of information originating from the forgeries. I also summarized SISMI's critical role in the whole operation during the late 2001-early 2002 time period. What I'd like to do below, is to present a chronological summary of key events (based in large part on the Phase I SSCI report and information uncovered since then) so that readers have a better perspective on the significance of SISMI's actions in relation to the uranium from Africa hoax. (Note that page numbers in the table below are references to page numbers in the SSCI Phase I report. The color-coding in the last column of the table is intended to show how, at critical moments in this egregious affair, SISMI effectively attested to the credibility of their false reporting (red) - repeatedly trying to convince the unconvinced/skeptical (green) or interested CIA (yellow) that the allegations passed muster. This is another way in which one can arrive at an answer to the question of motive behind the forgeries and the associated cherry-picking and fabrication).
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Summer 2001
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CIA contacts France's DGSE about uranium rumors re: Iraq; DGSE responds that the rumors are not credible |
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CIA satisfied that rumors of Iraq seeking uranium in Africa are not credible
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Fall 2001 [possibly Oct 2001]
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Rocco Martino tries to peddle Niger forgeries to CIA in Rome
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CIA chief allegedly throws Martino out judging his documents to be fake
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9/21/01
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SISMI tells CIA that Iraq may have discussed uranium with Niger
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10/15/01
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Sends CIA first known report transmitting cherry-picked information (from forgeries) with key alteration to make it appear that the "intel" was plausible
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SISMI tells CIA that there is credible information that Iraq purchased uranium from Niger
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10/18/01
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Considers 10/15/01 SISMI report as "possible" but "very limited" and "lacking needed detail"; INR regards report as "highly suspect" [p. 36] - asks SISMI for further "clarification"
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CIA not convinced by SISMI's first report
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10/18/01
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SISMI chief Nicolo Pollari responds to CIA vouching for the report and for the "credibility of a source named La Signora" (who was part of the Niger forgery cabal)
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SISMI vouches for their report and for the "credibility" of their source (La Signora)
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10/18/01-2/5/02
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U.S. intelligence community still unconvinced and cannot corroborate SISMI's claims
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(Pollari and Italy's defense minister Antonio Martino secretly meet in Dec 2001 with US neocons - Michael Ledeen and others. Not clear if Iraq was discussed.)
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CIA still not convinced by SISMI's claims. Did they ask SISMI to provide information on the "accord" itself?
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2/5/02
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SISMI sends CIA the fabricated "verbatim text" of fake Iraq-Niger "accord"; also adds Wissam Al-Zahawie into the mix to further boost plausibility of the "intel".
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SISMI transmits "verbatim text" of fake Iraq-Niger uranium "accord" to bolster their allegations; also adds Wissam al-Zahawie into the mix
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2/5/02
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CIA-WINPAC and DIA "more impressed" with detail and substance of second SISMI report; "report provided much more information than they had seen previously in similar reporting about alleged uranium transactions to other countries"; INR continues to doubt reporting [p. 38]
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Having seen the "verbatim text" of the "accord", CIA-WINPAC/DIA start to wonder if SISMI claims may be correct; INR still unconvinced
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2/12/02
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DIA writes up report based on SISMI's "verbatim text" of the "accord" - attracts Dick Cheney's attention and he asks WINPAC for more information. This leads to Joseph Wilson's trip to Niger.
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SISMI's "verbatim text" of "accord" attracts Dick Cheney's attention and leads to the CIA sending Joseph Wilson to Niger to try and corroborate the allegations from SISMI
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2/3/02-3/1/02*
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Wilson's trip fails to corroborate claims in SISMI's reports. INR still unconvinced.
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CIA-WINPAC still has no corroboration that SISMI's reports are credible
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3/1/02
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INR's 3/1/02 report deems the whole thing "not likely"
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Questions persist in U.S. intelligence community on the reliability of SISMI's allegations
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3/25/02*
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SISMI sends third report providing additional information on the alleged Niger uranium deal
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SISMI continues to send information backing up their original allegations
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Summer 2002
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CIA contacts France's DGSE for corroboration - DGSE unequivocally declares the uranium allegations to be nonsense; key Aug 2002 CIA NESA Iraq WMD paper drops uranium claim altogether
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CIA on the whole convinced that uranium claim is not credible
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9/9/02
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SISMI chief Nicolo Pollari has fairly unprecedented secret meeting with Deputy NSA Stephen Haldley (and NSA Condi Rice) - all indications are SISMI likely vouched for their Niger reporting in this meeting and WH pushes CIA to approve uranium claim again and again for Bush speeches starting on Sep 11, 2002
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SISMI likely vouches for Niger claims again and WH begins aggressive push to introduce Niger uranium claim in Bush administration speeches using WINPAC stovepipe
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Let me add a couple of qualifications to the table:
- None of what I have described in this post should be read to mean that SISMI never changed their mind on the uranium matter. It is possible that sometime later in 2002 or 2003 SISMI may have tried to correct the false claims, but we know too little about that to be sure that something like that really happened.
- SISMI's role in this affair does not in any way excuse what was done by WINPAC or the Bush administration. The scope of this post relates to the forgeries and the "accord" and to those who first transmitted information traceable to these documents. What was done in the US using the information sent by SISMI is an entirely different matter that I have discussed in other posts.
P.S. Given the seemingly unserious FBI investigation of the forgeries, probably made impotent by the Bush administration's unwillingness to rock the boat in Italy and reveal more of the systematic fraud that occurred under the leadership of ultra-corrupt Bush pal Silvio Berlusconi, I don't have a whole lot of hope that the truth will come out regarding the uranium "accord".
*P.P.S. Fixed a date typo in the table thanks to commenter along at FDL.
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eRiposte!
Like a burst of pure sunshine!
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eRiposte!
Like a burst of pure sunshine!
Adie:
Left you an EPU’d one downstairs….
eRiposte is in the house - how cool is that?
gotta read….
btw, gang — just a reminder that Charlie Brown — from the CA-04 who ran against Doolittle in the last campaign — will be Howie’s guest today for Blue America. :)
Excellent post
Two small points:
In fact, the accord or its “verbatim text” have should read “has”.
Now, some people may think it is incredulous should read “incredible”.
Wow - the dates!
A couple of things…..
1) Did the Brits get and/or use the ‘accord’ as justification?
2) What was in that ‘third’ SISMI report in Feb 2002?
3) Was there a house-cleaning in CIA ROME between Oct 2001 and Feb 2002 to clear the decks for that meeting between Mr. Martino and the Ledeen delegation?
(ok, that was three things)
aren’t there some prosecutions happening in Italy w/regard to all of this?
Gosh, the Aspen Institute has a branch in Rome.
eRiposte - Umm-Umm-Umm, Niger Mines! I’m enjoying these slices of YellowCake! Thanks for filling us in!
I got orphaned at the end of the last thread - waaaah! Hopefully, Christy is taking a well deserved break, so I thought I would ask you - even though it’s only indirectly related to the Cake Forgery -
Looking at it from the outside, it’s hard NOT TO IMAGINE that Rove took the ‘Target’ that was squarely on him and moved it onto Cheney, perhaps with the ‘help’ of Bartlett?
It was then that Luskin told the world that Rove was ‘not a Target’ (sub-text: not anymore, heh heh) of the investigation.
Can you see a realistic scenario where Cheney would HAVE TO testify for Libby in order to clear his own name of obvious, unaddressed wrongdoing?
Because of the Libby trial there has been a renewed focus in the media on the infamously false “16 words” in Bush’s 2003 SOTU speech two months prior to the start of the Iraq war. However, I haven’t seen much recent reference to the fact that in a speech Bush gave in Cincinnati in the Fall 2002 (October, I think) the CIA deleted the reference to the Niger fiction. This CIA action goes along with the repeated entries in the table above showing the CIA’s disbelief of the Niger forgeries.
It has never been satisfactorily explained as to why the Niger forgeries story made it back into the SOTU after having been deleted from the Cincinnati speech. Tenet claims to have been asleep at the wheel when it came time for the CIA to review the speech. For taking that bullet he got a Medal of Freedom from Bush upon leaving the CIA.
More likely the “16 words” were some version of a clever lie fed to Bush to deliver. It was not that the U.S. believed the Niger documents but rather the British (who didn’t know any better) believed them. And for that lie, almost 3100 US troops are dead today along with hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and 2 million Iraqis out of a population of 25 million have fled their country.
Wow!
Who are you who is so wise in the ways of bogus international intrigue designed to give undue credence for an illegal war?
That’s truly awesome and frightening investigation you’ve put together. I am awed.
Keep it coming, please!
Chimpy and the Dems:
“He said disagreeing with him over the war - as many in the room do - does not mean “you don’t share the same sense of patriotism I do.”
“You can get that thought out of your mind, if that’s what some believe,” the president said. “These are tough times, but there’s no doubt in my mind that you want to secure this homeland as much as I do.”
It couldn’t have been that you campaigned by saying that type of shit is it?
Frankly I think this is playing into Rove’s gamebook. Bush gets some long needed applause by the Democrats because his party has finally bailed out on him.
Now Bush gets to recreate himself as the new conciliator.
F-that.
-GSD
Thread Theorist @
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This is only a small sidebar to eRiposte’s incredible entry; but, I heard this same thing on Al Franken’s show yesterday. Can it really be true that the acclaimed British intelligence service still holds to this?
Ian Fleming is spinning in his grave!
Before it’s over, the Democrats will crown him King to show they are bipartisan.
We need a two-party system.
okay - so I know that Berlusconi was one of the dirtiest guys ever.
But how does Italy/Berlusconi profit from this?
That’s a mighty big scam - and I’m not saying that it didn’t occur - quite the contrary - but…..
Where’s the payoff?
Awesome post, just awesome.
Fitz’ public claim in the Libby trial is that motivation of Plame’s outing was to punish Joe Wilson. He cannot be expected to claim that the real motve may have been to silence Plame and the Counter-Proliferation group that Plame headed, as occhams hatchet details in a lengthy post at kos.
Now we see the role played by WINPAC, a WH friendly group within CIA, to rescue the Niger claims from skeptics in CIA and State.
So my question: what do we know about what Plame’s group was doing to debunk the Niger claims? Was her group the non-WH “official” CIA source for Tenet’s efforts to remove the Niger claims from Bush’ speeches/justifications? If so, that link would explode the Libby trial, if there were a way to get it in. UPDATE: I guess the David Corn article cited in the occham hatchet post at kos is part of the answer?
eRiposte, Fascinating series of posts and quite infuriating. Every post of yours makes me feel like a citizen boxer taking another punch in the gut. Takes my breath away at the extent in which so many people and agencys are either involved or complacent. So many people should be indicted or at the very least fired.
I sure wish the likes of Frontline, PBS, would pick up these pieces for their series.
Hotflash, Aspen in Rome! Since AIPAC and Aspen Institute are the only lobby organizations who are exempt from new rules in the recent reform legislation passed by congress. I think we need full disclosure of every person or organization from which they receive support or dole it out to.
Good to see you here and some of these details getting more or wider exposure over the past few days. I have followed your posts on The Left Coaster (or at least tried to). Thanks for helping sort out so much of this very complicated web.
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LindyH says:
February 2nd, 2007 at 1:47 pm
New stuff on the DOJ website..video clips and pdfs.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/.....index.html
and the closed captioning works!!!!
Morning all, and great post & series eRiposte.
Where does Israel fit into this scam? Besides the obvious AIPAC connections?
Hugh @ 5
Thanks, I fixed the “have” but I need to think about the second one a bit. I also fixed a formatting error that led to a paragraph being repeated.
jayt @ 15
The payoff for Italy and this is pure speculation, is in the fact the US military will engage with the ME and maintain western control of the oil while keeping those rabid muslims in chaos.
OT, but I hope worthy of discussion.
On the Libby threads it’s been recognized that MSM coverage of the trial is practically non-existent. I believe Marcy brought up that The Daily Show now has someone there, but the show hasn’t really reflected that. I’m guessing that it’s because they don’t have anyone with the depth of understanding that Marcy and the others have, so they miss how important some of the stuff is.
I was wondering if maybe we, as a community, could put together a bare bones timeline that the general public could understand, and give it to the folks covering the trial for The Daily Show. It would have to be really simple to be useful on TV, including only the least questionable statements.
I’m thinking of something along the lines of:
According to Prosecution
Date - Cheney told Libby
Date - Libby told Ari
Date - Libby told Judith
According to Libby
Date-Russert told Libby
I’m just an interested spectator and barely informed. I’m just hoping that the connections FDL is making could help spread the word to The Daily Show audience.
Is anyone in Congress or the MSM exploring the forgeries? It seems to me that this was one of the key bricks in the foundation for going to war. And it was a lie.
Who was really behind all this? What role did Ledeen and the other neo-cons play in the forgeries? Was AIPAC involved?
By the way - outstanding post - keep up the great investigative work!!
johnSwifty @
13
Deal in Britain same as US. The agencies knew, intel was twisted by pols. Joe W is still alive, David Kelly is not.
Anyone remember what the name of the Italian journalist in Iraq that got killed was? Wasn’t there some connect?
Scarecrow at 16, that is what I have been thinking or wondering the past year or so while following eRiposte’s chronology. I believe Plame was the real target all along and as the nuke Iran option seems increasingly in play, I believe this even more strongly. She and her group would have been in a position to debunk the need for bunker busters in Persia.
scarecrow @
16
Scarecrow -
Let us consider this point as well: let’s recall that Valerie Wilson was a member of the Joint Iraq Task Force (see page 21 of Anatomy of Deceit), which, according to Marcy, was “convened under the aegis of the CIA in September 2001.”
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 26
Yes - I updated my comment to note that occham hatchet includes an extensive quote from David Corn’s article, on the JITF. Need to go find Marcy’s book, now.
HotFlash @ 24
Thanks, HotFlash, I had forgotten that. You really can’t make this stuff up. The stakes are obviously very high and human life is held very, very low. It’s chilling!
angie…
Where are you?
Haralambos @ 25
I remember some speculation that Valerie’s group had been responsible for stopping a shipment of WMD coming into Iraq from Turkey in Nov 2002. There, found the link at After Downing Street.
There’s a whole lot of folks who know stuff and can’t say it (Valerie W, Sibyl E, Russell Tice, on and on). But they are true patriots and will find a way to save their country from its government.
It is up to us to help however we can.
SParrish and Scarecrow–
So, can you start plugging stuff that came out of that Task Force into eRiposte’s Table and see when, exactly, the tide turned?
.
mattes,
this Italian journalist?
Thank you for this post. Excellent, informative stuff. The table format explained the chronolgy to me in a way that I didn’t get before.
RossK @ 31
I think it was more like constant warfare inside CIA, not some specific date/dates when one group began to prevail. Before the Cincinnati speech, the truth tellers prevailed; before the SOTU, the liars prevailed. They were still warring internally until Plame was outted. Later DCIs who replaced Tenet would implement a purge.
G’morning.
Remember ‘babies being dumped from incubators’ in the first Gulf War? That, from the PR firm of Knowlton & Hill.
Well, back at the outset of this war, when I first checked out Pentagon spokeswoman Torie Clark - in all her resplendent gory - I was surprised to see her background: Knowlton & Hill, Brent Bozell, John McCain, Mary Matalin, Dick Cheney and anthrax, 5 days BEFORE the 9/11 attack.
That was all the proof I needed that everything being spewed was wrong.
On another note entirely, for all you Warriors for the Good…
For those who wonder What Does It All Mean?
scarecrow @ 34
Dare I ask which side got purged?
slightly off topic but not entirely
I read on one of our previous threads that the neo con bloggers are as sure libby is winning as we are fitz is winning
anyone know anything about this?
WOW.. eRiposte great post, took me quite a while to read the whole thing with all the links and supporting doc’s/posts.
How can we get someone to investigate this?
So many crimes… only so many hours of for congressional investigations.
Still think that Abu Gonzales should be the first constitutional BushCo officer who should be impeached.
Forgeries. I’m so God damned f’ing weary of the Bush family acting as if they know what’s best for us. The who seems simple (Bush). The what to do also seems uncomplicated (prosecute). The only difficult part perhaps is ‘how’. I want action Democrats. Do you the f’cking hear me?
OK k - no, they dont.
perris @ 39
I know they think Cheney can hunt and Bush can articulate coherently and that the Easter Bunny arose from Jesus’ grave to bring jellybeans to everyone who votes Republican.
Does that help? [/snark]
Waiting for the Molly Ivans segment on CSpan2 and some idiot is slamming the blogs… saying they are not disciplined.
That Llewellyn King who looks as old as dirt needs to ready THIS post.
remember bush said, as he was campaigning for 2000, “that saddam, we’re going to take him out.”
don’t you think the neocons were manufacturing intel to use as a justification to go to war with iraq prior to the bush (stolen) election.
then 9/11 hits and they muscle that square peg into a round hole as their primary justification.
of course their fake documents come in handy to bolster the case against saddam.
i think the push back against joe wilson was motivated by a fear that the neocon connection to false documents would be revealed.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 41
I’ve proposed a simple, individual act that we all can easily do to help elected Dems ‘get’ it.
If they pass Warner’s bill - which prohibits funding cutoffs - I’m changing my registration card to Independent.
A few million doing that might catch their eyes.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 41
oklahoma kido, I have something I want to email to you
could you post an email address spelled out (dot com so you don’t get spammed)
katymine @ 44
Damned right. They wanna make something of it? Jane, I didn’t mean that, not the taser! I won’t say it again!
eRiposte!
On behalf of historians of the future, and civic activists of the present, my profound thanks.
The material you have painstakingly assembled and analyzed will stand the test of time.
Shorter version: YOU ROCK.
Haralambos @ 25
Some time last year, when the Pentagon requested funding for a Covert Ops Group, the need for improved intelligence on Iran was one of the reasons given. Here is an interesting quote from that time period
There was pressure from the White House, too. A former C.I.A. clandestine-services officer told me that, in the months after the resignation of the agency’s director George Tenet, in June, 2004, the White House began “coming down critically” on analysts in the C.I.A.’s Directorate of Intelligence (D.I.) and demanded “to see more support for the Administration’s political position.” Porter Goss, Tenet’s successor, engaged in what the recently retired C.I.A. official described as a “political purge” in the D.I. Among the targets were a few senior analysts who were known to write dissenting papers that had been forwarded to the White House. The recently retired C.I.A. official said, “The White House carefully reviewed the political analyses of the D.I. so they could sort out the apostates from the true believers.” Some senior analysts in the D.I. have turned in their resignations—quietly, and without revealing the extent of the disarray.
Molly Ivins is in our living room now. CSPAN 2. Thanks RevDeb for the heads-up.
New post at egregiousBlog.
I missed Charlie Brown! :(
But I sent him some $upport.
Hey, Nate. Patiently waiting.
Ok I’m incapable of patiently waiting.
Waiting, anyway.
Oklahoma kiddo, you’ve been very kind to me. I know we’re off the gratitude thread, but may I take this moment to thank you? Smooches.
OT Yoohoo, TRex.
Dangerstein is drooling on himself again. h/t Greg Sargent.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....ost_33.php
egregious at 52 — Charlie Brown doesn’t come on until 2 pm ET. He’s coming up next.
Kevin Hayden @ 44
The Resolution is a sense of the Senate and has only moral force. It has no force in law.
jayt
just got the EPU’d msg. Thanks loads. I don’t like it, but it does make a lotta sense.
perris @ 47
dennmax at pldi dot net
Kevin Hayden @ 46
I sadly cannot blame you.
perris @ 39
Of course with the neocon wingnut bloggers -profuse sweating, gnashing of teeth, pissing and shitting their pants doesn’t come through real well in text. What else can the Backwash say? ;)
witchywoman @ 53
Lieberman didn’t win by a big enough margin for Dangerstein to claim that his opposition “…waged a vendetta on behalf of the angriest few.” His margin wasn’t even in the same ballpark with the 12 percent poll predictions. Ergo, Dangerstein is full of crap. Anybody here surprised?
HotFlash @
38
Good non-question question.
Regardless, it sure would be interesting to know if both sides had the text of the ‘accord’ at the time. Or, alternatively was that held over the head of one side by the other (along with threats to screw a certain ’sensitive source’ who were being touted as the conduit of the ‘two streams’ of info)?
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You should never be sure of anything that goes to a jury for trial. You just never know what the verdict will be. But for me, in all honesty, the verdict is secondary — guilty for Libby would be nice, but exposing all of the Veep’s office dirty laundry and the Bush Administration’s assist, exposing their manipulative media practices to sunlight, and every other nasty little crawling, festering rock-hiding horrible ickiness? Worth every moment of typing that we have done.
And with all of that said, I think the government is doing a great job locking in the elements on the indictment charges. Agent Bond was quite good on the stand.
Good gawd Ms. Molly, (looking at da woman now on CSPAN2). Dammit Ivins, you’re so damn smart.
So, the Second Stream - referred to by Miller on the stand as ‘out of the scope of her testimony’ in the Libby Trial - is none other than:
The fabricated “verbatim text” of fake Iraq-Niger “accord”; [which] also adds Wissam Al-Zahawie into the mix to further boost plausibility of the “intel”.
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Now, honestly - What is Judy Miller doing in the middle of the ’second stream’ of the MOST CRITICAL PIECE OF INTEL that (fraudulently) took us to War?
Who was her ‘Source’ for that?
Did Scooter, under orders from Cheney and blessed by Bush, show Miller the Classified NIE ‘verbatim text’ of the Fake Niger “Accord” - the ’second stream’ - so that she would use it to write a Niger-Claim-Justification-Article for the New York Times?
If so, I think that dove-tails pretty well with your article above showing that CIA (except for WINPAC) and INR were unconvinced that the forged Niger Dossier could be ‘elevated’ to a Key Finding of the NIE - EVEN with the addition of the ’second stream’ - so much so CIA and INR kept it out of Bush’s speeches due to unreliability.
But, Bush and Cheney still had WINPAC, OSP and WHIG and through them they were able to ’suppress’ the negative findings of Wilson’s trip while ’shining-up’ the Dossier with the Fake Niger “Accord” (thus the later talking-point that ‘Wilson didn’t have all the intel) for inclusion in the NIE - and TA-DA! - the Facts were made to fit the Policy.
And, off to War we went…on the strength of the FAKE NIGER ACCORD - Bush and Cheney’s ’second stream.’
And to throw in some other familiar names into to this mix - during the time frame charted above, our ambassador to Italy was Mel Sembler (2001-2005).
You will also recall that he recently held a fundraiser for Joe Lieberman afler he had lost the CT primary.
And, as it couldn’t get more curious, Mel Sembler is the chair of the I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby defense fund.
Have a look:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap.....Senate.php
so glad to have found you all
repectfully,
d
and here is a post i made yesterday, wanted you all to know i read your blogs…..
you are one amazing bunch of human beings………the biggest compliment i could pay……..
just found you all two weeks ago through achenblog on washingtonpost.com……….
i am in awe…………and have been clicking on your blogs…….ALL OF YOU who have them…..can’t hardly keep up, have spent many hours on the computer this past week listening to all you have to say….but have been having trouble posting a comment in your blogs…….am a newbie at this……was out of the computerland for 10 years and now back in it……was in at the beginning, years ago, before many were on the net…….but a lot has changed………so, since couldn’t post on blogs, wanted you all to know i appreciated what you wrote, all of you.
keep it up. …it is spreading…….and growing…….and that is the point, isn’t it……
Christy Hardin Smith @
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We have five counts and days of testimony so far. I don’t know what relates to what, I need a score card. Libby said this to GJ, he said this this and this at those dates which contradicts therefore point 2 proven. Or whatever. I’m so confused!
Did anyone see this NYT sub-headline?
“A bomb concealed in a truck destroyed a packed market, killing at least 92 people in one of the worst single acts of violence in Baghdad since the United States invasion.”
Now, did they mean to say that the invasion was the single worst act of violence? How long will it be before they ‘clarify’ their wording?
Molly likes (on CSPAN) Smith College. She went there. She’s says she “got a good education there”.
HotFLash at 67 — That’s why they do closing statements — to play connect the dots for the jury.
Yu’ll gotta get over to CSPAN. Good-Golly Miss Molly! is on!
Talking about the Shriners….who are in every damned parade we have here - regardless of what the celebration.
YES! @ 50–Yes!, and thanks for reminding me that Hersh has been so good on this. There is too much up for me to follow at the immediate moment on this thread.
Molly says the when she was writing for them, The NY Times was pompous. Who’d a thought?
oklahoma, you have mail
Another exquisite essay, eRiposte.
We truly are under siege by our own government.
eriposte -How does David Kelly figure into all of this? I found it unsettling that the difficulties that led finally to his death occured at the same time the Bush Admin was scrambling to discredit Wilson, and that one of the last people he communicated with was Miller. Did he have any knowledge of the British side of the sixteen words?
pow wow @ 76
actually, it’s our government that is under seige
we have been a country under seige since the supreme court installed bush as president, this was nothing short of a violence free coo
Christy Hardin Smith @ 70
Can we do it too? Or do we have to wait for the Official TAG Heur Time? So much Libby Trial, so little time and work to do, too.
Molly Ivins on CSPAN2 blows me away.
2strange @ 77
I don’t know the answer to this. I haven’t studied the Kelly case yet.
Who had the link the other day with JudyJudyJudy calling Petraeous to stop some action in Iraq where she was the imbed?
And the action did not go forward. I was wondering about that. Sorry, I don’t have the link.
Being the nut that I am, I think the table should start with the Energy Task Force, the drawing of plans to partition Iraq, Big oil’s sending the neocons to Italy.
but that’s just me.
Could it be that the reason Judy finally agreed to testify about July 03 was that Fitz agreed to ask her about contacts with Scooter only and not any one else, so she wouldn’t have to explain what Kelly meant by his “Dark Players” message? If one of my contacts had died under mysterious circumstances, it might explain alot of her odd behavior both on and off the stand.
eRiposte — Just to get this clear for myself: When you write “Carl Ford, former chief of the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR)” and “the former chief of CIA’s Europe operations (Tyler Drumheller)” do you mean “then-chief”? That is, were they the chiefs at the time the events you write about occurred?
Thanks.