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	<title>Comments on: The &#8220;Scooter&#8221; Libby Trial and Uranium from Africa, Part 2: Streams of Deception</title>
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		<title>By: Unabogie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unabogie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-488856&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;uncle toby @ 60&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Unabogie:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Go to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fec.gov.&quot;&gt;www.fec.gov.&lt;/a&gt;  Campaign Finance Report and Data.  Search Disclosure Database.  Individual Search.  Enter Wilson, Valerie (you can also do an advanced search for other parameters.)  Make sure you enter Wilson and not Plame or Plam-ay or Flame.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The links to the right of the name lead one to the actual FEC form.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If one wants to do some amateur sleuthing of the VRWC, this is a useful tool for confirming employers and (usually) home addresses.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wow, that’s rather fascinating.  Can we take it one step further?  What would tell you about that filing that Brewster Jennings was “likely fake”?  After all, she really did work there, and it was a company registered in 1994.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-488856"><em>uncle toby @ 60</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Unabogie:</p>
<p>Go to <a href="http://www.fec.gov."></a><a href="http://www.fec.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.fec.gov</a>.  Campaign Finance Report and Data.  Search Disclosure Database.  Individual Search.  Enter Wilson, Valerie (you can also do an advanced search for other parameters.)  Make sure you enter Wilson and not Plame or Plam-ay or Flame.</p>
<p>The links to the right of the name lead one to the actual FEC form.</p>
<p>If one wants to do some amateur sleuthing of the VRWC, this is a useful tool for confirming employers and (usually) home addresses.</p>
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<p>Wow, that’s rather fascinating.  Can we take it one step further?  What would tell you about that filing that Brewster Jennings was “likely fake”?  After all, she really did work there, and it was a company registered in 1994.</p>
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		<title>By: tryggth</title>
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		<dc:creator>tryggth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve found references like this in a couple of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp11092005.html&quot;&gt;places&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sometime in 1999: French come to believe someone working abandoned uranium mines; investigate who may be buying smuggled yellowcake.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think Iraq was after uranium in Niger. But I am curious if the French did have this occasionally stated concern.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve found references like this in a couple of <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp11092005.html">places</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Sometime in 1999: French come to believe someone working abandoned uranium mines; investigate who may be buying smuggled yellowcake.</p>
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<p>I don’t think Iraq was after uranium in Niger. But I am curious if the French did have this occasionally stated concern.</p>
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		<title>By: RossK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RossK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From the redacted DX64 memo and the doubly-redacted SSCI report:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;The two streams of reporting referred to in this briefing came from the sensitive source&lt;/b&gt; described in paragraph six of this notification [SENTENCES DELETED]&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;b/w eRiposte’s conclusion that:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“A reading of paragraph six makes it obvious that &lt;b&gt;the “sensitive source” being referred to here is former Ambassador Joseph Wilson&lt;/b&gt; (and the CIA report of his findings from his 2002 trip to Niger).”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry to be a little thick here, but does this mean that they were actually trying to use Mr. Wilson’s visit and his report as cover/justification?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;______&lt;br /&gt;
(and, re: the ML speculation, folks might enjoy playing a game of rhyme, a la Fezzick and Inigo, using such terms as ’sheen’ or ‘mean’ but never, of course, ‘clean’.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the redacted DX64 memo and the doubly-redacted SSCI report:</p>
<p><em><b>The two streams of reporting referred to in this briefing came from the sensitive source</b> described in paragraph six of this notification [SENTENCES DELETED]</em>.</p>
<p>b/w eRiposte’s conclusion that:</p>
<p><em>“A reading of paragraph six makes it obvious that <b>the “sensitive source” being referred to here is former Ambassador Joseph Wilson</b> (and the CIA report of his findings from his 2002 trip to Niger).”</em></p>
<p>Sorry to be a little thick here, but does this mean that they were actually trying to use Mr. Wilson’s visit and his report as cover/justification?</p>
<p>______<br />
(and, re: the ML speculation, folks might enjoy playing a game of rhyme, a la Fezzick and Inigo, using such terms as ’sheen’ or ‘mean’ but never, of course, ‘clean’.)</p>
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		<title>By: stingray</title>
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		<dc:creator>stingray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 16:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m pretty sure the ML being referred to in some posts above is Michael Ledeen. He supposedly has past ties to the Iran Contra deal, to Ghorbanifar and his circle of Iranian exiles, etc, and then more recently to SISMI, the Italian intelligence agency that may have played a role in introducing the Niger forgeries directly to the WH during a Berlusconi visit to Washington.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That may not be quite accurate… Please feel free to correct me, anybody.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m pretty sure the ML being referred to in some posts above is Michael Ledeen. He supposedly has past ties to the Iran Contra deal, to Ghorbanifar and his circle of Iranian exiles, etc, and then more recently to SISMI, the Italian intelligence agency that may have played a role in introducing the Niger forgeries directly to the WH during a Berlusconi visit to Washington.</p>
<p>That may not be quite accurate… Please feel free to correct me, anybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Brel1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brel1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;or gov.bunk&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or gov.bunk</p>
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		<title>By: brownandserve</title>
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		<dc:creator>brownandserve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-489015&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mrs. K8 @&lt;br /&gt;
                99              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Coming so late to the party that both the band and the guests have packed up and gone home, let me just leave a suggestion:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the comments it was suggested that a website be set up to shame the SSCI, using these documents and eRiposte’s briliant reasoning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Brownandserve said “&lt;i&gt;It might help if it had catchy URL but I can’t think of one.&lt;/i&gt;“&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;How about “Follow the Yellowcake Road?”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-489015"><em>Mrs. K8 @<br />
                99              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Coming so late to the party that both the band and the guests have packed up and gone home, let me just leave a suggestion:</p>
<p>In the comments it was suggested that a website be set up to shame the SSCI, using these documents and eRiposte’s briliant reasoning.</p>
<p>Brownandserve said “<i>It might help if it had catchy URL but I can’t think of one.</i>“</p>
<p><b>How about “Follow the Yellowcake Road?”</b></p>
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		<title>By: Brel1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brel1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;eRiposte!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fantastic investigation/analysis!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Definitely need all you incredible sleuths to unravel the volumes of crime from this administration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PS: ML=Majority Leader???  It does seem strange that an undercover agent would be so negligent as to provide undercover employer unless to make seem more legit?? or as pointed out it was done by someone else. hmmm.&lt;br /&gt;
It’s a mystery.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eRiposte!!</p>
<p>Fantastic investigation/analysis!</p>
<p>Definitely need all you incredible sleuths to unravel the volumes of crime from this administration.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>PS: ML=Majority Leader???  It does seem strange that an undercover agent would be so negligent as to provide undercover employer unless to make seem more legit?? or as pointed out it was done by someone else. hmmm.<br />
It’s a mystery.</p>
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		<title>By: eRiposte</title>
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		<dc:creator>eRiposte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-489049&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fred in Vermont @                 108              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Take a look at “Hubris” page 205 in the continued footnote were there is mention of another Niger claim to the effect that someone said that he had arranged storage for yellowcake bound for Iraq.  That might be the second stream that came from the same source as the first.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nope. Again, this is NOT the second stream. Please read my post again - I specifically cite the SSCI report where it identifies the two streams.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That said, I’ll have more on the stored uranium in an upcoming post. That’s another huge story.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-489049"><em>Fred in Vermont @                 108              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Take a look at “Hubris” page 205 in the continued footnote were there is mention of another Niger claim to the effect that someone said that he had arranged storage for yellowcake bound for Iraq.  That might be the second stream that came from the same source as the first.</p>
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<p>Nope. Again, this is NOT the second stream. Please read my post again &#8211; I specifically cite the SSCI report where it identifies the two streams.</p>
<p>That said, I’ll have more on the stored uranium in an upcoming post. That’s another huge story.</p>
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		<title>By: eRiposte</title>
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		<dc:creator>eRiposte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-489024&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;phillydem @                 101              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;IIRC, before Wilson was sent to Niger, the U.S. Ambassador in Niger also did an investigation of the yellowcake claim. She reached the same conclusion as Wilson. Wouldn’t this more likely be the “second stream of reporting” since it’s from the State Dept and not the CIA?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, that’s not the second stream. As I’ve explained in this post, the SSCI report clearly identifies the two streams.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-489024"><em>phillydem @                 101              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>IIRC, before Wilson was sent to Niger, the U.S. Ambassador in Niger also did an investigation of the yellowcake claim. She reached the same conclusion as Wilson. Wouldn’t this more likely be the “second stream of reporting” since it’s from the State Dept and not the CIA?</p>
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<p>No, that’s not the second stream. As I’ve explained in this post, the SSCI report clearly identifies the two streams.</p>
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		<title>By: eRiposte</title>
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		<dc:creator>eRiposte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-488927&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;tryggth @                 90              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-488802&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;eRiposte @ 17&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-488790&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;tryggth @                 9              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;eRiposte, I read somewhere that I can’t find now that the forgeries were originally produced in response to a French inquiry about whether anyone was working some abandoned mines.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Was I smoking pot that night?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hmmm. I don’t recall this theory, sorry. Nevertheless, this theory is not consistent with what we know to-date.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah - I can’t find it again. Now weren’t there two mines in question… one of which was flooded? Didn’t I read that somewhere?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The flooded mine was Shinkolobwe in the Democratic Republic of the Congo:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005032.php&quot;&gt;http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005032.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-488927"><em>tryggth @                 90              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-488802"><em>eRiposte @ 17</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-488790"><em>tryggth @                 9              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>eRiposte, I read somewhere that I can’t find now that the forgeries were originally produced in response to a French inquiry about whether anyone was working some abandoned mines.</p>
<p>Was I smoking pot that night?</p>
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<p>Hmmm. I don’t recall this theory, sorry. Nevertheless, this theory is not consistent with what we know to-date.</p>
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<p>Yeah &#8211; I can’t find it again. Now weren’t there two mines in question… one of which was flooded? Didn’t I read that somewhere?</p>
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<p>The flooded mine was Shinkolobwe in the Democratic Republic of the Congo:<br />
<a href="http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005032.php">http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005032.php</a></p>
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