
[Preface: In the past week, in the midst of her incredible live-blogging effort at FDL, Emptywheel also took some time to send me links to some of the documents from the trial proceedings that have been made public by Libby's legal firm. Since then, I became aware that the AP has helpfully posted all the defense and prosecution exhibits here. This post is the second one (see Part 1) focused on offering some observations and analysis on some of these documents. Cross-posted at The Left Coaster.]
In this post I'm going to talk about a couple of interesting pieces of information relating to what the U.S. Government shared with the UN/International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) shortly after the Bush State of the Union in 2003. You will also see some sunlight on another significant redaction in the Phase I SSCI report that is rather revealing. For simplicity, I'm going to divide the post into three sections (note that all emphasis in quoted portions is mine, unless otherwise stated).
1. "Two streams of reporting"
2. "Global support"
APPENDIX: "Two phases"
1. "Two streams of reporting"
One of the documents released last week was an undated (or April 3, 2003?) intelligence community memo (labeled DX64) that was forwarded to the Office of the Vice President (OVP) in early June 2003 (it appears this might be a WINPAC memo). Page 9 of this document has the following paragraph:
25. [DELETED] On 4-5 February 2003, the U.S. briefed INVO in response to Baute's request from 6 January for information on the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium agreement. Members of the US Mission to the IAEA in Vienna presented the information and analyses as(?) compiled by CIA. This Intelligence Community-cleared briefing indicated, "Two streams of reporting suggest Iraq has attempted to acquire uranium from Niger. We cannot confirm these reports and have questions regarding some specific claims. Nonetheless, we are concerned that these reports may indicate Baghdad has attempted to secure an unreported source of uranium yellowcake for a nuclear weapons program." The two streams of reporting referred to in this briefing came from the sensitive source described in paragraph six of this notification [SENTENCES DELETED].
A reading of paragraph six makes it obvious that the "sensitive source" being referred to here is former Ambassador Joseph Wilson (and the CIA report of his findings from his 2002 trip to Niger). However, the significant redaction in the end is clearly masking one of the two streams of reporting. Yet, Paragraph 24 of the same DX64 memo makes it clear that the U.S. Government also handed over the forged Niger documents to the IAEA:
24. [....] The [4 February 2003] note [from WINPAC to the US Mission to the IAEA and UNMOVIC] contained copies of the original language documents obtained by Embassy Rome [from Panorama reporter Elisabetta Burba].
We also know this to be the case from the Phase I SSCI report that was published in the following year (2004), which explicitly identified the two streams of reporting as being:
... the original CIA intelligence reports from the foreign government service and the CIA intelligence report on the former ambassador's trip to Niger... [page 68]
But the SSCI report has a puzzling redaction as well. While the DX64 memo has some information pertaining to the second stream of reporting redacted, the SSCI report redacted the mention of "two streams"!
On February 4, 2003, the U.S. Government passed electronic copies of the Iraq-Niger documents to [DELETED] the IAEA. [...] Included with the documents were the U.S. Government talking points which stated, [DELETED] of reporting suggest Iraq has attempted to acquire uranium from Niger. We cannot confirm these reports and have questions regarding some specific claims. Nonetheless, we are concerned that these reports may indicate Baghdad has attempted to secure an unreported source of uranium yellowcake for a nuclear weapons program." The [DELETED] of reporting mentioned refer to the original CIA intelligence reports from the foreign government service and the CIA intelligence report on the former ambassador's trip to Niger. [SENTENCE DELETED]. [SENTENCE DELETED]. [pages 67-68]
In other words, "two streams of reporting" was changed to "[DELETED] of reporting" in the SSCI report.
Why did the SSCI report redact the phrase "two streams"? Past experience indicates that this type of redaction is very strategic in nature and is highly significant. For example, in the Appendix, I provide an example of another eerily similar redaction in the SSCI report whose significance I figured out and was subsequently confirmed by a declassified INR memo.
I think there's a simple explanation for the redaction of "two streams". After all, if you read the SSCI report carefully, it is hard not to notice that there were actually three individual items mentioned in the SSCI report's discussion of the U.S. Government's communication to the IAEA:
- The CIA report on Ambassador Wilson's trip from March 2002
- The original CIA Niger intel reports based on the foreign government service (SISMI) reports to the CIA in late 2001/early 2002
- Copies of forged Niger documents received from Elisabetta Burba in October 2002
Hence, if the SSCI report had called these out as being part of "two streams" of reporting, it would have made it very clear to readers that the U.S. Government knew that the original CIA Niger intel reports (echoing SISMI's allegations) were based on the forged Niger documents - i.e., that these constituted one and the same "stream" of reporting and that the Niger documents were merely the "evidence" that the original SISMI/CIA reports were based on. This is a fact that the Phase I SSCI report did its best to mask in its narrative and the impression that a casual reader would get reading the report is that the U.S. Government never really connected the original Niger reporting from SISMI directly and exclusively to the forged Niger documents. This misimpression is what misled some people to think, for the longest time, that the Niger forgeries were somehow independent of the intel from SISMI on the Iraq-Niger uranium deal.
I'm just scratching the surface of this story here and I'll have to reserve additional analysis for a later post, but let me tentatively close the loop by pointing out that the DX64 memo indicates that the CIA knew no later than October 2002 that the forged documents were basically the source of the original Niger reporting:
11. [REDACTED] On 10 October 2002, Embassy Rome reported on a meeting from the previous day with a journalist from the Italian magazine Panorama. The journalist provided the Embassy with a copy of documents alleging Iraq and Niger had reached an agreement in July 2000 for the purchase of uranium. [...] Embassy Rome indicated that it had learned from CIA that the documents provided by the journalist were the subject of the CIA report issued on 5 February 2002, as described in paragraph three. [...] The Directorate of Intelligence did not request or place a high-priority on obtaining the actual documents, at this time, [REDACTED SENTENCE].
Let me move on.
Although the DX64 memo declassified the words "two streams", DX64 and the SSCI report share one thing in common - a significant redaction at the end of the corresponding paragraphs in both documents.
DX64 memo:
The two streams of reporting referred to in this briefing came from the sensitive source described in paragraph six of this notification [MULTIPLE LINES DELETED]. [page 9]
Phase I SSCI report:
The [DELETED] of reporting mentioned refer to the original CIA intelligence reports from the foreign government service and the CIA intelligence report on the former ambassador's trip to Niger. [SENTENCE DELETED]. [SENTENCE DELETED]. [pages 67-68]
What's interesting here is that neither the DX64 memo nor the SSCI report are shy about actually mentioning that the U.S. Government handed over copies of the Niger forgeries to the IAEA. So, why the redactions at the end? The most compelling reason I can think of is that the sentences that are redacted may have been discussing the Niger forgeries in the context of SISMI's reports to the CIA. In other words, perhaps these redactions mask some information that connects SISMI's reports and the Niger forgeries. I can't say for sure, but it is plausible.
2. "Global Support"
As we continue reading the DX64 memo, it says:
29. [DELETED] On 3 March 2003, IAEA/INVO [DELETED] an analysis of the 17-page document that the U.S. provided on this issue.
There are two observations I'd like to make here.
First, the U.S. Government did not hand over all the forgeries in their possession to the IAEA. For instance, as British reporter Solomon Hughes reported in late 2005 in the British magazine Private Eye:
When the US State Department finally gave international weapons inspectors its “evidence” that Saddam was trying to buy uranium from the African State of Niger in 2003, they held back the one document even their own analysts knew was “funky” and “clearly a forgery” [i.e., the "Global Support" forgery - eRiposte]
In other words, the DX64 memo does not reveal the fact that the most obviously bogus document was withheld from the IAEA. Talk about not wanting to reveal that you knew what you claimed you didn't know.
Second, when Hughes clarified his reporting to me in response to my questions he said:
Just to reiterate, the IAEA say they received ten to twelve pages of documents [...] and these did not include the “Global Support” paper.
10-12 vs. 17. Hmm.
Eighteen pages from the Niger dossier have been made public to-date (one of those pages pertains to China). The "Global Support" forgery was withheld by the US Government. Did they withhold any other forgeries? Also, as I read and re-read the wording in the SSCI report and the DX64 memo, it is unclear whether the U.S. Government sent any additional documents to the IAEA (e.g., information on the original CIA Niger intel reports?). It would be somewhat useful to find out exactly what documents were shared with the IAEA.
APPENDIX : "Two Phases"
To provide additional context to my discussion in Sec. 1, I'd like to add one piece of historical information on redactions. I discussed this in two posts previously and it is worth highlighting.
The report indicated that 500 tons of uranium per year [SENTENCE DELETED].
On March 25, 2002, the DO issued a third and final intelligence report from the same "[foreign] government service." The report said that the 2000 agreement by Niger to provide uranium to Iraq specified that 500 tons of uranium per year would be delivered in [DELETED].
36. THE DIFFICULTY OF MOVING SECRETLY 500 TONS OF URANIUM. THOUGH THE ALLEGED AGREEMENT WITH IRAQ IS NOT SPECIFIC, IT APPARENTLY CALLS FOR THE 500 TONS TO BE DELIVERED [DELETED] IN ONE YEAR. THIS WOULD MEAN THAT [DELETED] 25 HARD-TO-CONCEAL 10-TON TRACTOR-TRAILERS WOULD BE USED TO TRANSPORT THE OFF-THE-BOOKS URANIUM. BECAUSE NIGER IS LANDLOCKED THE CONVOY WOULD HAVE TO CROSS AT LEAST ONE INTERNATIONAL BORDER AND TRAVEL AT LEAST 1,000 MILES TO REACH THE SEA. MOVING SUCH A QUANTITY SECRETLY OVER SUCH A DISTANCE WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THE FRENCH WOULD BE INDISPOSED TO APPROVE OR CLOAK THIS ARRANGEMENT.
As I had pointed out previously, the forged Niger Doc 3 says (emphasis mine):
...500 tons of pure uranium per year will be delivered in two phases.
The redacted portion in the above paragraph in the INR memo was clearly referring to the "two phases" because 25 10-ton trucks refers to a 250-ton shipment. The SSCI report likewise was referring to the two phases but redacted that information. (My analysis on this was subsequently picked up by British reporter Solomon Hughes in an article in Private Eye magazine). Subsequent declassifications showed that I was correct:
In any case, the latest declassifications of the two INR memos included the declassification of a third INR memo attached to one of the two (from Feb 19, 2002) - which confirms that my interpretation was correct. For example, here is the wording from the February 19, 2002 INR memo regarding the Wilson/CIA meeting (last page):
The alleged contract between Niger and Iraq says that Niger will sell Iraq 500 tons of Uranium in two tranches per year.
You can see the meaning of "tranches" here.
Bottom line: The "two phases" or "two tranches" was originally redacted in the SSCI report and in an original release of one of the INR memos because it was a telltale sign that the information being discussed directly matched information contained in one of the Niger forgeries
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IRVING!
Apropos of the prev thread … Music For “Apres Testimony” — might as well put this here…
I found the following text hereabouts this morning IIRC and sent it ’round to the other old farts in my family who are Tom Lehrer fans. I just did what I thought was an exhaustive search so’s I could give credit to whoever first posted it, but no dice. (sorry, whoever posted this at the Lake!)
Any road, this is one of the best parodies I’ve ever seen in all my born days. Compare with the original, link at the bottom. Someone can probably find an .MP3 of Prof. Lehrer performing the original “Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky” — enjoy!
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MacDaffy over at Salon’s Table Talk has channeled Tom Lehrer to give us this lovely song explaining TraitorGate:
Who made me the pundit I am today,
The Eminent Scribe that others all quote?
Who’s the confessor that made me that way,
Who ducked attribution whenever I wrote?
One man deserves the credit,
One man deserves the blame,
and Irving Lewis “Scooter” Libby Junior is his name. Oy!
Irving Lewis “Scooter” Libby…
I am never forget the day I first meet the great Scooter Libby!
In two words he told me secret of success in Washington:
Wilson Lies! Wilson lies!
Reading the New York Times will strain your eyes,
This fellow wasn’t sent by Cheney’s guys
To cause our war’s demise
So Wilson lies! Wilson lies! Wilson lies! …
And be sure always to call him, please… “A Jerk”.
And ever since I meet this man my life is not the same,
And Irving Lewis “Scooter” Libby Junior is his name. Oy!
Irving Lewis “Scooter” Libby…
I am never forget the day I am given first original leak to pass. It was on Analytic and Bureaucratic Topology of Valerie Wilson’s Role Within The CIA Hierarchy In Sending
Her Loser Husband Joseph Wilson To Africa!
Bolzhe moi!
This I know from nothing!
But I think of great Scooter Libby and I get idea - haha!
I have a friend at Time,
Who might believe our slime,
And Judy Miller takes a juicy story every time
There’s Pincus at the Post
Bob Woodward is a ghost
If Novak sees that Valerie is C-I-A,
She’s toast!
And when his work is done -
Haha! - begins the fun.
From Novak to Bob
To Pincus a lob
By way of a leak,
At the end of the week,
To Cooper at Time
To Judy’s pique
The slime! The grime!
The sleaze! The crime!
To me the news will run,
Yes, to me the news will run!
And then I write by morning, night,
And afternoon and pretty soon
My name in Wilson’s house is cursed,
When they find out I leaked it first!
And who made me a big success
And brought me wealth and fame?
Irving Lewis “Scooter” Libby Junior is his name. Oy!
Irving Lewis “Scooter” Libby…
I am never forget the day my first article is published.
Every chapter I stole from somewhere else.
Index I copy from old Judith Miller article sourced by “Curveball!”
This article! This article was sensational!
Fitzgerald! Ah! Fitzgerald! Fitzgerald said: “Zhil byl korol’ kogda-to,
Pri njom blokha zhila” (”It stinks”)
But Ted Wells! Ted Wells said:
“Ya idu kuda sam tzar’ peshkom hodil” (”It stinks”)
The American People bought the trial rights for six million dollars,
Changing title to ‘The Eternal Triangle’,
With Richard Cheney playing part of hypotenuse.
And who deserves the credit?
And who deserves the blame?
Irving Lewis “Scooter” Libby Junior is his name.
Oy!
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You can see the original here:
http://members.aol.com/quentnc.....bachev.htm
Oh good - I think I was going through withdrawal. I don’t think I’ve ever said this before, but I can’t wait until Monday!!
eRiposte,
I am fairly new here but I LOVED the post and all I can say is, “wow!”
eRiposte, I read somewhere that I can’t find now that the forgeries were originally produced in response to a French inquiry about whether anyone was working some abandoned mines.
Was I smoking pot that night?
Wow!!!
Just doing a quick check on whazzup on the nets, and lookie at this amazing post!
Wish I had time to sit down and read this right now. This needs to be crossposted everywhere.
On my way out the door - have a great night!
This quote refers to pure uranium. Yellowcake is a concentrate but isn’t pure. This is a forgery but even so the phrasing is odd.
Great Post.
Go MacDaffy!!!!! Woo Hoo!!!
You know, the thing that blows me away isn’t so much about the forgeries themselves because I had read about those back in 2002 and 2003 … BEFORE the SOTU.
What I DIDN’T know is that the US never bothered providing the documentation to the IAEA. I knew Hans Blix was begging the US for the information and details they (Bush & Company) claimed to have regarding the WMD but which Blix so diplomatically didn’t out and out publicly specify what was missing.
This is really starting to fall into place now.
What I want to know is, why the (bleep) aren’t the Senate and House clamoring for more information before talking non-binding resolution? This makes no f*cking sense! (not that I thought it did before). For pete’s sake, if you have evidence of wrongdoing from before, why the hell would you basically approve it again?
I am writing a zillion more letters tonight and this weekend.
Thanks for yet more inspiration!
No small wonder Bush hates the French.
SOS from MA @6 -
That is un-[DELETED]-believable!
I’m going to have Tom Lehrer in my head all night!
Now, how to get Rayne’s wonderful charts of all the people, acronymns, etc. converted into Lehrer’s Periodic Table song . . .
tryggth @ 9
Hmmm. I don’t recall this theory, sorry. Nevertheless, this theory is not consistent with what we know to-date.
Perhaps I’m wrong on this. But it seems Libby, with the defense he’s putting on, has thrown any chance of a pardon out the window. It would appear there’s only one way out for this man. Acquittal.
Hugh @ 11
It is odd. Someone should have caught that, since I don’t think Niger has that much refining capacity, if any. It varies by source, but 500 tons of pure uranium would translate to much more yellowcake, and would be much more detectable because the radiation count would be proportionally higher.
Someone got sloppy, or was gilding the lily.
Rat @ 14 - “For pete’s sake, if you have evidence of wrongdoing from before, why the hell would you basically approve it again?”
I strongly agree with you but would add that, without first making an effort to understand what happened it’s not even approval, it’s being asleep at the wheel.
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What ever happened to the idea of “mutually assured destruction”? Do the neocons, Bush and the rest think nuclear war is winnable? My God.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 21
Actually, it was the elder Bush who asserted, in an interview with Robert Scheer, that a nuclear war was winnable.
We’ll eventually discover firm evidence that there is hereditary insanity (and stupidity) in that family.
Here’s a link to the TPM Niger Uranium Timeline
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/niger-uranium.php
So the CIA had the forgeries in Oct. 2002, possibly spring 2002. And we now know that possession of the forgeries is tantamount to knowing they are forgeries. We also know that the CIA took the Niger claim out of the Oct. 2002 Bush speech in Cincinnati. But Niger is back in the SOTU 3 months later, but with the weasel words “The British Government has learned”. Could it be any clearer?
Another mystery is why there has been little or no investigation of the forgery. It involves the Italians, the French, and maybe the mysterious IPAC guy - can remember name. Where is the MSM?
Oh, I forgot, they are at the latest kissy poo DC Black Tie get-together.
Second FDL post!
I wonder if there weren’t actually two separate instances of leaks against the Wilson’s. Robert Novak went further in his attacks on Plame, the second time speaking on CNN and actually revealing Brewster Jennings by name. Was that in the INR? I don’t think so, and it doesn’t appear in any of the testimony.
How did he know this? How did he dig up where she worked? Anyone know? Is it possible that after Novak’s column, Rove or Libby actually went back to Novak and leaked again, knowing what a shit storm they’d just kicked up?
[Mod Note; numerical correction made for accuracy]
We need Professor Foland to weigh in on this uranium business. Frankly, IANANukewlar Physicist, but I am pretty sure that “pure uranium” could not be transported in any kind of trucks. And the quantity of 500 tons is just not believable. Pure Yellow Cake, mebbe.
johno @ 24
Umm, more likely, they were in the hands of the government in 2001. There is still that matter of the “just paying respects” meeting between Hadley and the head of Italian intelligence, and there had to be a reason for Wilson’s trip (CIA skepticism about the documents) in the first place, and that trip was in Feb., 2002, as I recall.
These guys were ginning up the invasion the afternoon of Sep. 11, 2001. Cheney’s office and the Office of Special Plans likely had the forgeries first, and then passed them off to the CIA.
Why else would Cheney be nudging the CIA about them in a way that would prompt the CIA to seek substantiation by very early 2002?
The business about them being docs of British origin was always a smokescreen to protect Bush and Cheney and to give the forgeries outside legitimacy. The chain of custody of them was likely Italy–Hadley–Cheney–OSP–CIA.
Peterr @ 16
Aha, another fan heard from. Gladjalikedit. :)
After reading the DIA report, the Vice President asked his morning briefer for the CIA’s analysis of the issue. In response, the Director of Central Intelligence’s (DCI) Center for Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation, and Arms Control (WINPAC) published a Senior Publish When Ready (SPWR021402-05), an intelligence assessment with limited distribution, which said, “information on the alleged uranium contract between Iraq and Niger comes exclusively from a foreign government service report that lacks crucial details, and we are working to clarify the information and to determine whether it can be corroborated.” The piece discussed the details of the DO intelligence report and indicated that “some of the information in the report contradicts reporting from the U.S. Embassy in Niamey. U.S. diplomats say the French Government-led consortium that operates Niger’s two uranium mines maintains complete control over uranium mining and yellowcake production.” The CIA sent a separate version of the assessment to the Vice President which differed only in that it named the foreign government service
http://www.globalsecurity.org/.....apter2.htm
eRiposte,
Brilliant, Brilliant, brilliant. I didn’t catch any speculation as to how you think about whether or not we’re any closer to discovering the origin of the idea of the Niger Forgeries. Do you have any clues on that?
Ed*ard Teller @ 31
ML, ML, ML, ML, ML, ML, etc., etc., etc.
It seems to me that Brewster Jennings was really doing a good job out there. What a shame. And a disgrace!
Why was Judy anthraxed and by who?
montag @ 32
Duh, but he couldn’t have done that by himself.
Unabogie @ 26
Working from memeory before double checking, it was discovered in the IRS dept as am original action to correct information for campaign finance law compliance. The Wilsons reportedly donated a certain amount, average actually, but for it to be legal (reportedly) it was broken down and attributed to the 2 individuals of the couple. At this point, B-J was listed as the employer but I don’t think that was actually done by the Wilsons. I’ll post links when I find them. Welcome to FDL by the way.
Excellent post aRiposte.
Ed*ard Teller @ 34
He’s well-connected enough with Italian intelligence that all he would have to do would be transmit the need and the desired product to them. Italian intelligence could take care of the rest. The fact that the exposure began with someone whom Italian intelligence had used on contract in the past points directly to them.
The fact that the forgeries were lousy points to them, too. :) This whole scenario suggests the involvement of a number of people who aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are….
When the US State Department finally gave international weapons inspectors its “evidence” that Saddam was trying to buy uranium from the African State of Niger in 2003, they held back the one document even their own analysts knew was “funky” and “clearly a forgery” [i.e., the “Global Support” forgery - eRiposte]
Did the WHIG feed the British Government to use the British Government, and then tag the blame on them in the SOTU? They got pinned with the tail on the donkey? Is that what you are saying.
I Am Shocked!
montag @ 35
Sorry I wasn’t clear. I meant he didn’t cook up the scam on his own in the first place. Whenever he’d done stuff like this before, he was somebody’s technician.
stingray @ 36
Umm, I would think it more likely that 10 Downing St. was a willing accomplice, given the overall shoddy work done on the dossier presented as proof.
rumi @ 35
How might Novak have learned of this? Is there a way to check on the political donations of an individual? And who tipped him off that the company likely did not exist?
eRiposte,
To me, your analysis seems to be following the principle that “every redaction tells a story” and I think it’s hard to look at these things an not go “hmmmm”.
I think I said this the last time you posted but I think there needs to me an investigation of the SSCI while it was under the chairmanship of Senator Roberts.
Bingo, brown & serve.
Let me add something to the above. Let’s say Novak looks up Valerie Wilson (who he refers to as Plame) and sees her front company as her employer. Well, Wikipedia states that the company was a registed company in Dun and Bradstreet, a who’s who of businesses.
So, doing a lookup on B-J, seeing a company that had been around for over nine years, he concludes it’s likely fake?
Ed*ard Teller @ 37
Oh, no, quite right. ML could have said, “my friends in Italy might be able to help,” and someone in Bush’s or Cheney’s office thought up a scenario. Or, someone in OSP could have said, maybe ML might be able to help.
Hard to say. My bet’s on Feith in OSP cooking something up with our Italian fascism scholar at the behest of Rummy or Cheney. The whole idea was to find a way of introducing intelligence into the system outside of the normal vetting process of the intelligence community, and especially as a means of circumventing the CIA and the INR, neither of which were trusted by Rummy or Cheney.
For that reason, it would make sense to go outside the government in the first place, and then get the material introduced in a way that forced it upon the rest of the intelligence community.
Who the originator of the idea might be is anyone’s guess at this point, but, given how it’s turned out, I’d bet the “dumbest fucking guy on the planet.”
brownandserve @ 41
This Senator Roberts?
The National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) “a summary of intelligence assessments for policymakers” says “a foreign government service” reported that Niger planned to send several tons of “pure uranium” to Iraq, possibly up to 500 tons a year.
If this is true, why didn’t Bush bomb Niger?
Judith Miller didn’t go to jail to protect her source Libby for Plame’s name…there is something more that she doesn’t want to reveal. Miller doesn’t want Fitz or Libby’s lawyers to go on a fishing expedition and force her to reveal something else that was going on parallel to the Plame leak. Miller was far to nervous under cross examination by Libby’s attorney … She is protecting some other information… Fitz has to know what it is…Hopefully, he can expose that as well…
Check out waynemadsenreport.com He has some interesting info… Why hasn’t the Olney location received more attention? The WH had their papers and emails stored under a farmers field to keep them away from the ‘terrorists.’
Ed*ard Teller @ 34
OK, I’m clearly being slow again. Who is “ML?”
eRiposte has by far the most educated - and therefore the most effective - analysis of the evolving circumstantial situation. The comparison between the different documents and sources, including what’s new while being revealed as prosecution and defense evidence, compared to what there was to go by before this trail, is simply amazing.
I take that back.
It’s nothing short of incredible.
Thank you.
Ed*ard Teller @ 34
Which one of these are we going to find out first: the obvious forgeries, 911 investigation or anthrax? Meanwhile we have to support a war on Islamofascism that is trying to destroy our way of life.
Second of all Mary, I don’t think Miller actually wrote about Plame, did she?
10 Downing is the mystery. Unlike the Booboisie in the White House, these guys are pros. I have yet to read a good reason why they would sign on this scam. They must have believed (rightly) that Saddam was a paper tiger, and thought (wrongly) that the rest would be history (it was, but not the history the history they expected). Didn’t they have anyone on the Iran desk?
Rat @ 46
A certain right-wing ex-academic think tank scholar who’s greatly enamored of 1930s Italian fascists who shall not be named. :)
stingray @ 47
I agree. This is the sort of document scrutiny that the news media ought to be doing and is not.
ccmask @
42
So how do we get one of the SSCI staffers from the Roberts regime to come forward?
Failing that, one of my Senators (Mikulski) in a member of the SSCI. It would be useful, I think, if I could send her a link to a web page that only lists (and links to) the SSCI redacted documents and the documents that illuminate the the mischief eRiposte has described.
Knut Wicksell @ 50
MI6 are the pros. 10 Downing is political, and Blair is the most political of the bunch. I think he thought he could latch onto Bush’s coattails as a means of aiding BP getting a big bite of Iraqi oil fields–and, maybe, restore a little of Great Britain’s erstwhile imperial glory….
“Money makes the world go `round.”
It’s no accident that Rupert Murdoch gave Blair a million pounds for his original campaign. He’s bought and sold, just like Bush.
HotFlash @ 45
Yep. That’s the one.
brownandserve @ 55
Use the “spotlight function”…
brownandserve @ 56
Interesting timeline, I thought.
Unabogie:
Go to www.fec.gov. Campaign Finance Report and Data. Search Disclosure Database. Individual Search. Enter Wilson, Valerie (you can also do an advanced search for other parameters.) Make sure you enter Wilson and not Plame or Plam-ay or Flame.
The links to the right of the name lead one to the actual FEC form.
If one wants to do some amateur sleuthing of the VRWC, this is a useful tool for confirming employers and (usually) home addresses.
If a Senate committee conducts a deliberate disinformation campaign, what remedy does the citizenry have?
Ed*ard Teller @ 31
I have discussed this a bit in this post:
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/.....mirror.htm
I’ll talk a little more about that tomorrow.
ccmask @ 56
Feinstein is also on here and I am in her district (or is she in mine? ;-) )
Perhaps we could prepare a joint statement for delivery to both of these members, and possibly to the entire committee?
montag @ 36
Quite the contrary:
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/.....mirror.htm
Mary @
47
Fitz may not know what it is if it doesn’t bear directly on exposing Plame — I think he’d stay within his mandate. He showed he was willing to have Miller go to jail to find out her source for Plame info, but not outside that.
I’m waiting for evidence that Cheney/Libby wanted to go after Plame, not just Wilson, because Cheney knew, and told Libby, that she worked in CIA counter-proliferation department — and hence was one of the likely staff that kept undermining the effort to establish WMD. According to one of the WaPo stories this week, Libby was the Administration’s main guy for making the WMD and link to al-Qaeda arguments — so why wouldn’t they be concerned about the opposition they were getting from CIA.
A comment above suggests there was a second effort by Novak to go after Plame. I’ve always thought they went after Wilson because of Plame, not the other way around — but Fitz is not purusing that theory.
brownandserve @ 59
Apart from darts at ten paces, not much. The smart thing for Dems to do would be to reopen the investigation, and dispute the first SSCI Phase I report because it didn’t incorporate the info presumably to be found in the Phase II report (which was blown off by Roberts, et al).
That probably won’t happen. It’s obvious enough, though, from eRiposte’s examination, that the Phase I report intentionally included suspect language as a means of shifting the blame away from the real suspects….
stingray @ 37
No, that’s not what I’m saying at all. The British were on their own trip, fed by the Italians as well.
It’s no accident that Rupert Murdoch gave Blair a million pounds for his original campaign. He’s bought and sold, just like Bush.
Ol’ Rupert is quite friendly with the Clintons as well, is he not? I’m sure they just like to get together to discuss cricket.
eRiposte says @ 59:
I have discussed this a bit in this post:
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/w mdgate/Hubris_Niger_forgeries_motive_mir ror.htm
I’ll talk a little more about that tomorrow.
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Please do - The truth benefits.
brownandserve @ 54
What about Jay Rockefeller? He was vice chair in March 2003 and wrote to the FBI because he though a fast one was being pulled re the forgeries.
Late Night, including a little Pepys & Dickens, is upstairs.
OK, I need to go … someone else needs the ‘puter now.
I am VERY interested in contacting the SSCI and if a joint/collaborative statement seems in order, I am happy to either draft it or offer my contribution to it.
Please let me know. If you want to send me an e-mail, I’m not sure who has access to e-mail addresses from this site, but if you know, ask them for the address and send me a note. If not, I’ll send one to Sen. Feinstein tomorrow, and possibly a few others.
Thanks for all of this information people. It has been quite an interesting and educational week!
HotFlash @ 70
I think we need to shame the SSCI into confronting the misinformation campaign conducted while Roberts was chairman and one way to do this might be to create a website that pulls all the relevant documents that eRiposte cites. It might help if it had catchy URL but I can’t think of one.
Great piece on Huffpo by Brent Budowsky who helped write the CIA Identify Law
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....40305.html
(snip)
“My theory, with substantial evidence to back it up, is that the danger of Joe Wilson was not the damage that Wilson’s view did to the Administration policy. It was the danger that Wilson’s work would unravel a long term, well planned, highly deceptive campaign that preceded Joe’s involvement to deceive the country to drive us to war.
Prediction: major plea bargaining either has begun, or will begin, before the verdict and watch out if Libby sings in a plea deal.”
(continued)
Here’s an article (Pincus) from 10/4 03 that is more revealing in retrospect.
Leak of Agent’s Name Causes Exposure of CIA Front Firm
This reads as though the administration was doing everything it could to maximize the damage done to the company (bold-mine)
The contradiction comes in later in the article when the same source-admin officials- claim that she listed her occupation there as analyst
Also listed in this explanation is the reference I made in an earlier comment. Ir’s not clearly stated here, but it does appear that other hands besides the Wilson’s were involved in making the necessary adjustments to the forms with her employer information being taken from another form filed.
I could be wrong on this but it appears that the “reattributed” was done at the irs and not at the request of the Wilsons. There are still a few references from 2003 that I need to find.
note to mods - feel free to delete this comment if it in any way infringes on the Wilson’s privacy or if it inadvertantly misrepresents their situation.
Unabogie @ 40
How might Novak have learned of this? Is there a way to check on the political donations of an individual? And who tipped him off that the company likely did not exist?
The parties publish donations. I looked at Joe Liebermann’s campaign contribution report on the net. And I second that about the post. Thanks, eRiposte.
You’re a star! By the way, there’s support for your claim about the existence of two streams of information in the redacted portion of the SSCI report.
“Included with the documents were the U.S. Government talking points which stated, [DELETED] of reporting suggest Iraq…”
The presence of the verb form ’suggest’ corroborates your claim that what is redacted is probably a reference to the two streams, because ’suggest’ implies a plural subject (i.e. two streams suggest).
Well done, eri. Keep digging.
This links to an archive of Josh Marshall’s reporting and commentary on the Niger forgeries for anybody who wants to get the details. He da man on this stuff. ML will be revealed.
Josh Marshall
eRiposte @ 62
Umm, your conclusions seem to validate that point in section 3.0. The point was that intelligence in this country would pick up details from the documents rather than explore them in toto. That was the intent, and the intent fell flat when the CIA passed on the docs to the IAEA.
Bush, Blair, et al, only wanted to allude to the very vaguest of substance in the docs, and never wanted them exposed as evidence–and yet, because of your work, in part, they were.
If one is smart enough to cover all the bases, one doesn’t get caught. I think that was my only point. :)
Cheers.
Rat (or anyone else who wants to work on this),
You can contact me using brownandserveblog at yahoo dot com.
From eRiposte @ 59:
I have discussed this a bit in this post:
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/w mdgate/Hubris_Niger_forgeries_motive_mir ror.htm
The picture that emerges is a campaign by some individuals within the Italian intelligence agency, SISMI, to systematically provide known-fraudulent information to the Bush administration to help them in their aggressive PR campaign against Iraq.
Me:
An aggressive PR campaign against Iraq. No Shit - That’s what tipped me off early on too.
I have always understood it to be an illegally exaggerated PR campaign. That’s what the real issue is. Can you legally lie your nation into a war of your choosing on mostly contrived evidence?
God help us all if that can stand. The stakes are just too high to let that be.