Start the day at C&L. Since we last did a summary of what’s happening in Iraq and how the President’s plan to send more troops is faring in Congress, the situation has become even more complicated and confusing than before, if that is possible. The violence has not decreased; if anything, it's worse. Here’s a quick guide to a small fraction of what the media folks are reporting.
First, we thought that the President’s plan calls for sending 21,500 additional troops to Iraq, right? Well maybe not. We've known for some time that we simply couldn’t deploy that many troops quickly, both because we didn’t have them to send and because of the sheer logistics of moving 20,000 troops quickly into Iraq with their full support structure. Either way, it will take several months, at least to get that many more troops there.
On Thursday, we heard another version of the phase-in from General Casey, who testified at his confirmation hearing to become Army Chief of Staff. Casey was asked whether he thought Bush’s new tactic for securing Baghdad could be achieved with fewer than the proposed 21,500 additional troops. “Yes,” he said; we could do it with less than half – e.g., just the first two combat brigades, but Casey added that the three additional combat brigades Bush authorized would provide “additional flexibility.” The plan was "winnable," he said.
Of course, Casey’s answer only raised concerns among two Senate neocons – McCain and Graham – who probably fear that Casey would use his position to undermine the surge as it is being implemented. The neocons are clearly worried about Casey, because they want nothing to stand in the way of introducing even more troops than the President’s stated 21,500 increase if this “last chance” requires it. That suspicion increased Thursday with a report from the Congressional Budget Office that there may be plans to send between 35,000 to 48,000 more troops, not just the 21,500 announced by the President. After all, the "combat troops" need additional troops to support them, and when the President said “over 20,000” he probably meant just the combat troops. (Guess he forgot to mention that detail. As Howard Fineman observed on KO last night, the President doesn't seem to grasp that his credibility is at issue.) This may be the “last chance” but it appears to be an open ended “last chance” that will not be over until we “win.”
Second, we heard more about whom our troops are supposed to be fighting in Iraq. It’s a growing list: It started with Saddam’s army but quickly became foreign al-Qaeda and later included Rumsfeld’s “dead-enders” – Sunni/Baathist supporters of the deposed/hanged Saddam Hussein. These were presumably Sunnis. Then we added the Shiite militias and related death squads, which the Administration usually identifies with Moktada al-Sadr, to make things deceptively simple, even though it was clear that other Shiite leaders/clans also had militia and death squads. A report yesterday confirms that focusing on al-Sadr is not enough; there are dozens of Shiite splinter groups, many with their own militias, some leaning towards Iran and some not, some supporting the central government and some not, and some that appear to be just fundamentalist crazies plotting to murder the dominant Shiite clerics including the Ayatollah Sistani during the recent Shiite holy days. The existence, size and military capabilities of this last group, who call themselves the “Soldiers of Heaven,” surprised everyone last week and provoked a battle that resulted in hundreds of dead and captured militia.
Third, we’ve had a test of the Iraqi security forces’ ability to play their expected role in the President’s New War Forward. In the battle against the Soldiers of Heaven near Najaf, Iraqi forces were supposed to be in charge. Some time ago, the US had celebrated turning over security responsibility to the Iraqis in this predominantly Shiite region south of Baghdad, but in their first major encounter, the Iraqi forces were nearly overwhelmed by a splinter Shiite group we’d never heard of. The battle was won, prompting Mr. Bush to conclude optimistically that the Iraqi forces “showed me something,” but it appears the victory occurred only after US fighter planes were called in to drop 500 pound bombs, and after US combat troops were brought in from the Baghdad region. As I’ve pointed out before, the neocon’s own explanations suggested that the adequacy of the surge is predicated on (1) the Iraqi’s doing their share, (2) the US being able to focus on Baghdad and (3) the US mostly ignoring the al-Sadr and other Shiite militias while it focuses on pacifying the Sunni and mixed Sunni/Shiite neighborhoods. They weren’t planning on taking on new, well armed Shiite militias, let alone in areas in which security had been handed over to the Iraqis. The Soldiers of Heaven battle, though a “victory” for US/Iraqi forces, challenges all three assumptions.
Fourth, if there is a strategy associated with the Bush military surge tactic, it is to use the increased military to establish enough security in Baghdad to allow political and economic progress to be made. But a Boston Globe story indicates that Iraqi agencies can’t seem to perform basic functions.
WASHINGTON — The effort to resurrect vital government services in Iraq has been hampered by ethnic and sectarian purges among the ranks of civil servants, a high turnover rate for senior administrative officials, and a lack of comprehensive planning on the part of both Iraqis and the United States, according to an audit by the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction released yesterday.
As a result, Iraq's ministries — the backbone of the fledgling government, responsible for hospitals, utilities, and the provision of food rations and gasoline — are struggling to perform basic functions, such as drafting budgets and hiring contractors, and too often depend on their American advisers. That in turn has led to the Iraqi government's failure to spend $13 billion — more than a third of its annual budget — in 2006, a situation that could further destabilize the country, the audit said.
"US mission officials view the Iraqi government's inability to spend its own budget resources . . . as a significant problem that, if not corrected, may lead to the failure of the government," the audit warned.
The NYT coverage adds this:
BAGHDAD, Jan. 31 — A federal oversight agency reported Wednesday that despite nearly $108 billion that had been budgeted for the reconstruction of Iraq since the 2003 invasion, the country’s electrical output and oil production were still below prewar levels and stocks of gasoline and kerosene had plummeted to their lowest levels in at least two years.
Next, we have the Administration’s latest justifications for why Congress should not oppose the President’s troop escalation: supporting any of the non-binding resolutions that oppose the increase would “embolden the enemy.” Glenn Greenwald and others have written about how pernicious this argument is. But my favorite argument is the circular claim that Congress should not prevent the increase in troop levels because that’s what General Petraeus needs to do the job. You have to think about that one: first you pick a general that says he can do something with more troops, then you say, “we need to give him the troops, because otherwise, he can’t do what he says he can do.” And the final argument we’re hearing is that we should do this because . . . because we should give the President’s plan a chance to succeed. One wonders what on earth in the President’s selling, defense and conduct of this war (or anything else) over the last five years would entitle him to “just trust me” deference?
Finally, as Swopa reported yesterday, in Thursday's confirmation hearing for General Casey, Senator McCain let us know who was responsible for the Iraq situation. McCain said he did not question Casey’s service to the country, but then proceeded to do just that. He described the situation in Iraq as “dire and deteriorating,” questioned the General’s “judgment” and said "we have paid a very, very heavy price in American blood and treasure" for a failed strategy, implying that Casey was to blame not only for the worsening political and security conditions in Iraq but also the increasing numbers of US casualties. McCain’s not-mea culpa would have ranked as perhaps the most egregious evasion of personal responsibility we’ve seen in this war, except that Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and George Bush have already raised that bar pretty high (and I haven’t even mentioned Joe Lieberman or Hillary). I guess “supporting the troops” does not apply to neocon Senators when talking about the Generals who did their best to carry out the neocons’ fantasies.
So put yourself in the boots of a US soldier in Iraq. You don’t know whether a few more or a lot more troops are coming, or how soon, and you don’t know what they’ll be used for. You're not sure about the joint US/Iraqi command. The mission is unclear. You don’t know whom you’re fighting, but it could be just about anyone, except the ones whose hearts and minds you're trying to win. You don’t think you can rely on your Iraqi allies, whose training was botched, and you suspect many of them are sympathetic to whoever “the enemy” is. You know that the political and economic sides of the broader strategy are failing, and with it the "hearts and minds" battle. And you know that the clowns that got you into this war are clamoring for more and behaving like irresponsible, spoiled brats if they don't get their way. Oh, and by the way, as Digby reminds us, the Administration may be trying to provoke the Iranians — who are also you're enemies if you find them in Iraq — to start another war right next door.
Someone needs to explain to me why the first priority of Congress is deciding whether the language in a non-binding resolution that expresses concerns about the escalation is polite enough to avoid hurting the President’s feelings. If this is just about sending a message about the sense of Congress, how about we debate an impeachment resolution instead.



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fitz! Christy! Marcy!
ABOUT NIE:
As mentioned earlier, Iran gives a damn about the US opinion concerning its nukes. The US is under nuclear threat, more precisely its soldiers in Iraq. Furthermore, as this report mentions, its soldiers are facing mounting tension. Bush has to solve the lowering in his authority. He lost an election, he just made the two preceeding ones. THe Republican power calculation was always a farce in my eyes. They knew from the beginning that when Bush has to face real problems, they would very fast fall below the 50% threshold. The problems have amassed. A lost election, lack of authority concerning Iran, lack of authority cncerning Iraq. These things are all interconnected and Bush is in danger not be able to control the spin anymore.
Americablog
Scarecrow!!
CNN – another US chopper down in Iraq. An Apache w/ 2 person crew.
Good morning, egregious, everyone. Great week at Plame City, no?
Another global warming day in Boston area. We’ve had no significant snow through December and January — unheard of round these parts.
not even finished reading the post ( a nice meaty one thank you scarecrow !)
but let’s see now, that would be the “failed strategy” wherein Rumsfield threatened to fire anyone with the temerity to broach the subject of post invasion planning
for these blatherings to come from someone who has made no small amount of political hay and a few bucks off his “bravery” – is the height of cowardice
twolf1 @ 5
Whoa. That’s four in the last couple of weeks or so. Looks like new weapons are coming in.
Scarecrow @
8
Maybe it’s a matter of existing weapons turned or aimed in a different direction.
OT for Libby trial followers: Interesting differences bet NYT and Globe treatment today.
In NYT (p.15) Neil Lewis’ piece is titled “FBI Agent Says Libby Denied Being Leak Source.”
The Boston Globe article by Michael Sniffen (AP) onthe other hand bears this title “Agent: Libby may have talked of outing operative with Cheney.”
Says alot about the point of view that 2 papers want to get out there. In short the NYT seems to be a tool here. Globe 1; NYT 0.
Scarecrow @ 6
No snow and record warmth in St. Petersburg. In the middle of January. They were very nervous about the weather, every single person asked me what I thought of it. Finally some colder weather and snow near the end of the month. The relief was palpable.
Or even a binding resolution, you know, something that says you CANNOT FREAKIN DO THIS. I thought the reason we elected a democratic congress and senate was to stand up to this tool, to speak for the people who are sick of his hardon for war, war, and more war. Who have had it with his crappy social policies, his crappy foreign policies, and his craptacular ability to fuck up pretty much anything.
Instead of reigning him in and investigating the multitude of sins that this administration has committed, the Democrats are now the ones who are “all hat, no cattle”. I can’t even begin to express my disappointment. Not to mention that the non-binding resolution allows the republicans to toss the problem of the war and problems thereof at our democratic doorstep in the future, as per Sen. Feingold’s Dkos diary, “It rejects the surge, but it also misunderstands the situation in Iraq and endorses the President’s underlying approach. It’s basically a back-door authorization of the President’s misguided policies, and passing it would be a big mistake..”
This way, come 2008, the republicans can say:
“It’s not just our fault, see, this spectacular piece of non-binding bullshit that the democrats passed agreed with the president’s position on everything…except the surge. It’s just as much their fault if not more, they could’ve stopped him but chose NOT TO.”
At what point will our elected officials stand up for the people who put them in office?
“perhaps the most egregious evasion of personal responsibility we’ve seen in this war”
Thanks for that, eh?
Way to make me happy :)
amen, scarecrow.
david sirota has more – “From supporting redeployment to barely opposing escalation – a tragic Senate story“
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egregious @ 13
Heh. You just won the “find the missing ‘egregious’” treasure hunt.
Hey! I’m right here! And thanks for calling me a treasure :)
BUSH-CHENEY SIMULPEACHMENT!!
Scarecrow -
As I’m reading your post, I see this in the second paragraph: We’ll maybe not.
Did you mean to say “Well maybe not”?
Looks like WaPo has seen the long delayed National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, the one the Administration did not want to come out while the surge was been planned, decided.
Iraq at risk of further strife, NIE says
Raw Story headline: Paper hints at Israel’s strike plans for Iran …SOON
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 19
Yes. Thanks. It’s fixed.
how about some support for my congressmember, jim mcgovern? here’s what he did this week (from the worcester t&g):
Scarecrow — Great piece! Thanks so much for puting all of this together for us — I’m so buried in Libby Trial minutiae at the moment, I really need to catch back up with the rest of the world.
Newt Gingrich was right. (gawd, I hate saying that)
WWIII is in progress. The next benchmark will be sometime around the 3rd week of March when the weather allows us to strike at Iran.
Fuckin’ Bush and his “end times” thinking. I’m an atheist and I don’t beleive in that shit.
When will our congresscritters stand up and start the impeachment process. This shit has to stop NOW!
Maybe it’s a matter of existing weapons turned or aimed in a different direction.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 24
Good morning, Christy. Hope you got home okay? Hello, Peanut!!
I think we need a Libby trial picture analogous to the Bush cartoon at the top of the post. Libby in the center, with Cheney hiding behind him, and Bush peeking out behind Cheney, and the entire world pointing fingers at them.
I like the part of the news where the American Enterprise Institute openly & enterprisingly offers $10,000 to anyone who will write articles that oppose the latest scientific global warming findings that say that it’s true.
If our ass is being worn out by our own US-trained IRAQI GENERALS kidnapping and murdering our own troops in Iraq for no good goddam reason (because we could get oil elsewhere or by trading for it through peaceful means) …and Bush is staring out at Iran for opportunities to screw up this world some more, well…what the fuck?
Democrats & Republicans can’t agree on a NON-BINDING resolution ???
Well, I think the first thing we should do is repair the elections process, don’t you? d’oh…
I am so dizzy. I wish I could just think.
raven @
1
while in Nam my husband knew he’d be rotating out after twelve months.
our soldiers in Iraq wonder if they will be able to leave as scheduled, or be extended… they don’t know if redeployment will come again sooner or later
There is very little “knowing” and even less hope.
raven @ 25
didn’t i read somewhere that one of the helicopters was shot down with bullets? hmm… off to look for the link..
selise @ 30
Fantastic post Scarecrow. The thought of Bush getting standing ovations at his SOTUS is such an embarassment.
To think that these elected officials are the best America had to offer by handing in their precious votes is incomprehensible to me.
Impeach now.
njr @
29
while in Nam my husband knew he’d be rotating out after twelve months.
our soldiers in Iraq wonder if they will be able to leave as scheduled, or be extended… they don’t know if redeployment will come again sooner or later
There is very little “knowing” and even less hope.
Well, we knew we’d “rotate” if we stayed alive. To say there is less hope for these troopers, in my humble opinion, may not be the case. To many of us Vietnam was every bit as misguided and wasteful as this debacle.
thank you, raven @ 30!
okay, completely o/t, but I needed something to lower the bp
from former regular hopespringsaturtle’s blog
Best Quote Ever
House should have more Balls than the Senate right now because there is a clear majority. The R’s can bottle anything up in the Senate, particularly with Lieberman at Bushs’ tit, so the political model there is consensus and that buys time, which helps give cover to these War Criminals.
I think that there is a big debate in the Dems about who can win, vs. who should win, all about process, not product and vaguely sexist too. No one wants to get too far out in front, that’s why my money’s on Gore-Feingold. They have credibiity because they have earned it the hard way.
ccmask — I agree about the standing ovations during SOTUS. It was embarrassing to watch that. There might have been two or three phrases that, from the neocon point of view, warranted applause, and there were none from my point of view. This jumping up and down over nothing more than complete sentences that don’t kill someone is degrading.
selise @ 34
Remember that it took the VC and NVA about six months to figure out you could hit the tail rotor of a huey with an AK round and bring it down. They would put claymores in trees and let them rip as a chopper came in. All this technology looks great on paper but it is amazing what folks can come up with to counter it.
egregious @
11
it’s afternoon here, but mornin’ Scarecrow, mcegrege, all. Near Cologne, we’ve had less than 2 cms for only one day, melted the nexst, quite rare. Here’s a quote from the truthout interview:
“And we won’t even address how NIMBY complaints (against windpower) stack up against global warming science, except to say that ostriches are not yet extinct.”
Hi, I got EPU-ed on the last thread and didn’t read all the comments, but I want to sum up my comment about ABC validating Limbaugh thusly: Rush Limpballs and Bill O’Reilly and their ilk and enablers are the maggots of war.
Feeding on the misery of soldiers serving and their caring friends and families while gutless cowboys in the Bush Administration with their cronies and the corporatists in their gleaming towers cheer them on.
And a total 180, in a separate post on Late Night a little fun love to T-Rex.
Morning, pups… Molly’s legacy demands we keep on keepin’ on.
I just want shrub and shooter to go and go NOW.
What a mess this all is…
Good morning all. Time for caffeine infusion here on the west coast and already the gettin’s good here.
Great piece, Scarecrow. You touched on all the pieces I wondered about yesterday as this tale unfolded. But, there’s one other aspect that I have to wonder about too. It’s tangential, yet it isn’t.
Do you recall when the Congress was in an uproar over the types of “interrogation tactics” and torture measures that were being used and McCain actually stood up to the president at first, telling him these measures were in violation of Common Article 3 and the Geneva Convention — only to later change his mind and agree with a resolution that was “acceptable” to the president? As I recall, Lindsay Graham and John Warner were in McCain’s camp on this too.
I can tell you honestly that I lost ANY semblance of respect for McCain then. Ever since McCain backed down on this action and essentially left his fellow battlefield brethren (and sistren?) exposed to this BS of a definition of “torture” and “enemy combatant” and rules for detention, etc. McCain was PARTY to acceptance of this ludicrous action. I’m VERY willing to bet he sold his soul to the Republican Party on this issue in order to get Party support for his presidential run.
I submit to you if McCain thinks he can do a better job than Casey has, he should RESIGN from the Senate, WITHDRAW his presidential nomination and go directly to Iraq and personally show General Casey how to proceed. However, this time, if McCain’s way works, Casey gets the credit — after all, Casey was the lucky recipient the blame when he was doing what Defense and WH were telling him he could do before.
Grrrrrrrrr.
oh yeah,
this guy – a South Carolina Dem, yup, a South Carolina Dem – chairs House Budget Committee – via Keith O (no Thursday transcript yet)- believe it is through his requests to Cong. Budget Office, we are learning the true number for Chimp’s surge
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0201.html
ccmask – good to see you are ok – concerned about Florida firedogs
Scarecrow at 27 — Oh, I have a treat for everyone with my first Libby post today. But I’m not going to spoil the surprise. *g* (How’s that for teasing everyone?)
BTW, since it’ll be quieter here today without the trial, i’d like to say once again how truly impressed i am with all involved at FDL. Awesome performance. I truly believe this step in changing the media equation can’t be undone. Open source journalism rules.
That said, what does it mean when the ex-wonkette and Ms Totenberg pick up about a 1 minute Marcy description of Miller’s action on the stand during a break, and use that as an example of FDL live-blogging. Ignoring of course the 60 or so hours of detailed legal description of the testimonies, sidebars and juror questions, as well as the expert follow-ups and summaries. Even ignoring the few expert comments here as well. *g*
Shame on them, what are they thinking, they have to shore up the fortress against the netrootz invasion?
Marcy has a great summary up on Next Hurrah for yesterday.
Rat — yep. There was another string of stories on the difference between what the Canadians did wrt to their citizen that the US held — they apologied, we didn’t (and we’re using state secrets defense to block his lawsuit) — and the German authorities now issuing arrest warrants for 13 CIA agents responsible for kidnapping/rendering a German citizen. And on and on.
PSA – CNN – new tornado warnings for parts of Florida…
Great piece. And more on the media end of it.
Boston Globe p. 1 long article by Bryan Bender on “Support needs could double ’surge’ forces.” (Basically discusses the doubling of the US #s from 24,000 to 48,000 indiv when support staff are added – as noted also in yesterday’s Americablog and Huffingtonpost.
NYT on this issue: nothing, zilch, nada.
Instead on NYT p1: articles on 1) hard times for NFL player, 2) Superbowl viewrs get taste of idol, 3) Obama can’t take Black vote for granted, 4) General Parries Senate Attacks on Iraq Record, 5) US ally in Afghanistan now Drug suspect, and 6) Fla voting system change.
Most telling feature of NYT p. 1 however (in everyway) is a HUGE color top of fold picture captioned with “A Peaceful Moment Before Going Off to War” – soldier in uniform holds baby as wife and mother look on. (soldier and wife smiling; mother looks very grim, yet forces a smile). (Peaceful?? my ass). The label notes he is “getting ready to leave for Iraq, where suicde bomings in the southern city killed at least 60 peole yesterday.” No mention here of recent increase in US troop deaths and wounded in Iraq!
The picture caption also asks us to go to p. A-11 for more on the suicide bombings. In addition to this piece (60 dead, 150 wounded nr market) is another VERY TELLING A-11 article: “US Says Iran Meddles in Iraq but is Delaying Release of Data” It is about Pentagon pressure to put out info, and CIA hesitancy” and broader concerns of cherry-picking data in rush to war. While the piece shows more directly the push pull on this, the bulk of the article is on Iran’s supposed support for Iraqi Shiites, basically laying out a case for war on Iran. One source cited is an NPR interview with Nicholas Burns an undersecretary fo state on NPR on the Iran assistance (thanks NPR for becoming a tool, too!).
In short, the NYT is as bad now as it was with the pre-Iraq war push a la Judy Miller. They have clearly clearly become a tool of the Neocons & the admin on the war.
One other notable insert here is a photo on A-10 (worth looking at for snark). This shows McCain seated between Carl Levin and John Warner during yesterday’s Senate Armed Services Committee meeting. Fat lips Lieberlier slides behind McCAin placing his tiny hands delicately onto Mcaint’s shoulder, as the two appear to be about to kiss (McCain is pushing a slant-mouth pucker in his direction). The look on the face of Warner as he sees Lieberlier is priceless, a scowl ripe with – WTF!!!
I don’t know if anyone’s looking at the real picture here.
the president is deliberately using forces he knows as a fact are sorely needed in other theatres.
in the same breath he is initiating aggresion in Iran.
how does he plan on engaging Iran since we don’t have enough manpower for either afghanistan or Iraq?
simple
they want an excuse to use nuclear weapons.
scary stuff
About those scary militants, check this and similar stories that shine a little more light in a very dark corner.
Surge or no surge, every Iraqi who hopes to survive this rolling cataclysm has to lead a double life. We and our children are bankrolling the war. Our troops have limited roles to play:
sitting duck
moving target
air and ground muscle for one faction or the other
OldCoastie @ 45
Terrific and she looks great, what’s she worrying about!
Could we finally be in the “last throes” of The Madness of King George?
PSA – CNN – new tornado warnings for parts of Florida…
more info here
perris @ 50
Perris, I agree. And for the record, I DON’T believe de Nile is just a river. I’m still trying to decide if these people are lunatic enough to actually USE the nukes. I’m hoping my gut feeling is wrong.
scarecrow: You are so on target. Great post.
I how predictable that the neocons (who never take responsibility for anything) and their enablers are now whining about how bad things are and how we can’t leave.
So the Iraqi government is failing. Wow, that’s a real shocker. I just do not understand what universe these people are living in when they expect a beautiful democracy to magically sprout and flourish after they have gone in and completely destroyed the military and public services infrastructure of this country.
I thought this was supposed the be the dandiest war ever! It was just gonna come off so clean. At least that is the “product” that was marketed to the American people, right?
I don’t know what the hell they expect when they invade a country with limited knowledge of the cultural and structural implications involved and zero interest in finding out beforehand or afterwards. Hence their complete disdain for anyone, no matter how expert in the subject matter at hand, who disagreed with their simplistic vision.
I don’t think they ever wanted a democracy to begin with. They wanted to tear up this country to control the prime oil reserves. That’s all it’s about. That’s all it’s ever been about.
If I did shorter posts the way that Atrios does and Jane urges me to do, I’d have mentioned what a “wanker” Bush was for preaching to Wall Street that they should reform their executive pay rules. He suggested that compensation should be tied to the company’s performance. By that measure, Bush owes us a refund, starting with the $9,000,000,000 he lost in Iraq, and we won’t even mention the deficits. Please leave a certified check and your resignation under the door. Thank you.
Scarecrow @ 37
You are on fire today, scarecrow! Woops, watch out, Wizard of Oz scenario coming up.
scenario, damn
Rat @ 55
I didn’t believe they were lunatic enough to start war with a country they knew posed no threat, I didn’t think they were lunatic enough to divert the resources we needed for success in afghanistan to go to war in Iraq, I didn’t think they were lunatic enough to capture saddam for what bin laden did
I didn’t think they were lunatic enough to challenge the constitution, the powers of congress.
the list is never ending
they are surely capable and in wont of a nuclear attack
OT – from the last thread
egregious – Yes, the main Nobel site is in Stockholm, but for some reason Alfred Nobel’s will instructed that the Peace Prize (and not any of the others) be awarded by a Norwegian committee in Oslo, Norway.
(I had a proud old Norwegian correct me about this when I said something in a sermon about it once.)
Seems to be a double standard for behavior between the two major parties, with the Repubilcans aggressive and insulting and the Democrats taking it and trying ever so hard to play nice. Too much spin on everything by the mass media. The handful of hard working sincere Democrats don’t manage to unite their other party members behind them. Fuck this shit has gone on too long. Time now for a strong 3rd party to represent the people.
NaNOO @ 62
web and feingold’s got it right and the democrats need to take their lead and go with them
Richmond — in the front page Casey parries attacks article, the NYT mentions the Congressional Budget Office report on possible increased troop levels towards the end. It’s on page A10 of the print version. You’ll find two whole pages of Iraq-related news on pages A10 and A-11. And they’ve been providing that much coverage on many days for several weeks. Just not always the lead article.
mandrake @ 56
Hear! Hear! I can remember before Iraq II when experts were WARNING Bush & Co to take all of that into account but totally failed to do so. While I hold Bush totally accountable, I honestly think Rummy & Cheney set this up in design so as NOT to take occupation and reconstruction into account in planning. Hell no … they’ve never had to do that in the past. They’ve always been about deconstructing. (if you haven’t already, read Rise of the Vulcans. You’ll learn more about those two men than you ever dreamed possible.)
Scarecrow @ 57
Can we have interest added to that check? Say, 1.5%, the same rate the IRS charges?
send St Straighttalk some love
Arizona Republic – McCain Central blog
go here
quick registration required – oh, and of course you will immediately be identified as “liberal blogger” *g*
Tuscon – Letters to the Editor
http://www.azstarnet.com/opinion/167261
OT but I sure would like to get some serious reporting on 1) What Chalabi is doing (getting) these days as Iraqi minister; and 2) what are the early ties between neo-con Judy Judy and the new US Iraq theatre general, Petreus.
As per someone’s comment in the last couple of days (sorry no memory) that Judyjudy was able to decide military policy while embedded and threatened to call in Petreus (which she did). It could be just bs on Judyjudy’s part, but I think there is something more here.
selise @
23
Interesting, Selise. Looks like Jim McGovern’s the goods. I think that pounding on our reps to support McGovern’s McGovern’s Safe and Orderly Withdrawal from Iraq Act would be a good thing. Found some more info on it here.
I agree with Jane that waving placards in DC may give a warm feeling but it won’t stop George, he is beyond influence. But reps are not.
I foresee a 2008 election when R’s will be falling all over themselves to be anti-war, and the Dems will still be ‘centrist’ and the R’s will get back in. And it makes me sick. /cynicism
Richmond @ 67
I am so confused. Can someone please enlighten me on this one?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
21
Here is an update: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0202.html
raven @
33
Raven, I agree Nam was misguided and wasteful… but we were asked to put ourselves today into the boots of the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
After six months in country every letter my husband wrote from Nam had the number of days left… his shorttimers chart, in the upper right hand corner.
Do you think the troops today bother to keep a short timer’s chart?
perris @ 50
Yes. We must stop this.
Rat:
Can we have interest added to that check? Say, 1.5%, the same rate the IRS charges?
I didn’t want to seem greedy. I’d settle for $1 and the mass resignation.
Judith and The General -
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/…..ndex3.html
“Miller disagreed vehemently with the decision”
wtf ???? hey Judy, I’d like to headline as Aida next season at the Met . . .I’ve seen it several times
Scarecrow @ 64
There have been bits and pieces, but the larger issue is how they frame it. On this war, their record seems to have been largely to obfuscate by burying things, or putting key info behind a heading which says something quite different. The specific comment on this point (extra support) is found in a sentence in the 3rd para from the end; and then they offer an Army source who says he disagrees with the Congressional Budget Office. (i.e. 1 (unnamed indiv in army vs an official report). By doing it this way, they can say they have alreay covered the subject, there is no real need for a larger story. By the way, the last para on that piece is a couple sentences on the long awaited intelligence analysis on Iraq (hidden much??).
NaNOO @ 62
In my most paranoid moments, which are pretty frequent these days, I see the R’s and the D’s as WWE wrestlers, each playing out their own scripted persona, but the bottom line is Dem’s lose every time. Hey, they ALL work for Vince McMahon.
Scarecrow @
73
OK OK … You’re quite right. Forget the bureaucratic shuffling too. $1 it is and, how about an automatic door that boots him in the ass on the way out? I’ll spring for it. :-D
cbl @
35
I didn’t know Hope had a blog, and the Best Quote doesn’t take me there. I’d like to say hi.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 70
Many of those scientists and technicians are Russian….
Putin won’t be pleased.
Rat @ 69
cbl did below – thanks! (sorry cbl -I forgot who had provided this info; my bad! Glad you were around).
And, oh yes, I have no doubt the potus wants to provoke Iran and/or fabricate an incident to justify attacking Iran. There can be no doubt by now that the man is delusional.
I have been saying this ever since hearing about Iran kicking out the Chief UN Weapons Inspector and declaring they would continue with their nuclear program, what with all the symbolic pressure coming from the US and other countries to stop it.
Also, the statement by Bush that he would authorize US soldiers to kill Iranians inside Iraqi borders is transparent in its purpose. Was there any need to announce that other than to provoke Iran? As if the US military is going to ask for an ID card before they kill anyone they deem an insurgent.
I heard the theory recently that the real plan would be for Isreal to make the first strike and, of course, the US would then get on board.
Any thoughts?
WRT Iran this is an ominous report…Stephen Parrish, it does look like things are ramping up…
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S…..e/ShowFull
“During a raid Thursday night, Fatah gunmen grabbed seven people from the university campus, saying they were Iranians helping Hamas. Fatah claimed that the seven were Iranian weapons experts, including an Iranian Army general.
According to Palestinian reports, another Iranian committed suicide during the raid.
Hamas official Islam Shahwan denied the claim and said there were no Iranian citizens at the university”
NPR reporting that no pictures names or evidence to back up the claim which Hamas is calling propaganda.
Scarecrow @ 73
I want the money back. He stole it from New Orleans, from school lunches, from GI’s, from Iraqi’s, from our granschildren, from a whole lot of people. I say he’s gotta give it back.
Susan in Iowa -
‘hopie’s’ blog
http://deepconfusion.blogspot.com/
. . .bet they sell a few more of those pencil sharpeners today *g*
and Susan, was it you who recently mentioned that you also have a child in Iraq ? – keeping you and your son in our family’s prayers
O.K. so I heard it reported on MSM that the preznit has decided to kill all “Iranian agents” within Iraqi borders. This comes scrawling across the bottom of the screen, reported like it’s something normal and not barbaric and odious. I mean what is an “Iranian agent” in an era where it seems some 80 year old shoe salesmen can be end up in Gitmo? Obviously Chimpy is trying to bate a testy Iran. I mean didn’t Iran almost go to war with the Taliban because one of its agents was killed?
Christy – Tell Marcy that she was great on Air America with Sam Seder this morning!
Hurray for McGovern, Olver and Frank. Bring it to a vote. Let’s see where these congress critters stand.
mandrake @ 81
& doesn’t it strike you odd that China struck down a satellite in the midst of all this? China likes to do symbolic bombings when it’s pissed.
HotFlash @ 67
i went to DC last weekend, but it wasn’t to try to influence bush – it was to try to help send a message to congress, our democratic majority congress.
thank you, to anyone willing to ask their reps to support mcgovern’s bill. he’s a good rep and this is a good bill.
OT – DNC winter meeting now live on C-SPAN – speeches by all the democratic presidential contenders – Chris Dodd, Barack Obama, Wes Clark, John Edwards, Hillary Clinton and others.
mandrake 81; see my 82- the plan is unfolding.
Also, it would be advantageous to have Isreal fight Iran since we are so bogged down in Iraq, we don’t have the human resources to do so. We can just keep sending them conventional weapons.
I was actually surprised to hear discussion on NPR yesterday about how Isreal has not signed onto the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty and how they will not admit to having nuclear weapons.
The expert they were talking to also pointed out that, since other countries in the region know about Isreal’s nukes, they would naturally feel compelled to develop their own nuclear program to protect themselves.
Although I been aware of all this for some time, I was surprised to hear such a frank and unbiased discussion of this issue on complacent NPR, since this viewpoint is never raised in the msm and NPR has not exactly been the most progressive of media voices of late, regardless of wingnut ravings to the contrary.
Sure they do, mine was a Bob Dylan poster. I probably will get in trouble for this but, like Vietnam (and I am talking from experience), Iraq just isn’t all that bad for the vast majority of the troops. I drove a truck on convoys from north of Saigon (Long Bihn) to various places in the Mekong Delta. Sure, it could get hairy once in a while on the road but it was nothing like what the infantry faced. Almost everyone in Iraq sleeps in side the wire, Forward Observation Bases, and there have been nothing on the scale of even a mini-tet so far. I am not in anyway minimizing what the troops are going through but I also think it’s important to “keep it real”. Of course we hated it during Nam when the WWII guys would tell us what pussies we were and how we had no idea what “the big one” was like. Am I turning into Archie Bunker????
njr @ 70
cbl @ 35 I don’t know where HSAT found that, but it is priceless.
Great job scarecrow.
Graham and McCain have been at the center of the domestic propaganda – including their “anti-torture” provisions that provide amnesty, take away habeas, decriminalize war crimes, allow human trafficking with Pakistan, and for the very few things they continue to acknowledge to be torture and worthy of a tsk; they have insured no recourse whatsoever for the victims.
Casey, Franks, Myers, Abizaid – I can’t say I have any sympathy for any of them. It’s not that they aren’t failures – it’s just that it’s irritating to watch them be called such by someone who is a much bigger failure.
BTW – in addition to the 25 indictments in Italy (including a member of the military as well as CIA) and the 13 German indictments (including what appear to be contract pilots); Spain’s court has made a formal request to the govt to declassifiy some of the info it has on torture flights. This isn’t small potatoes, bc Spain received direct US assurances that no flight landed in Spain with a torture victim or prospective torture victim on board.
As the Spanish minister said, Spain may have been the stopover point of flights on their way to and from breaking the law in other countries. That’s a paraphrase, but he did mention crimes in other countries. So, now the court there wants info released that might a) prove the assurances were lies, and/or b) help with continuing German investigations (there has been a separate German “flights” investigation in addition to the el-Masri investigation).
All three countries – Germany, Spain and Italy, pretty much agree that using their land for a point of operations in torture activities or conspiracies violates law and treaties. The US is refusing to cooperate in the investigations (big surprise) and the US media apparently thinks they don’t exist.
Right now indictments have not been specifically tied to anti-torture treaty provisions, but if they do become so tied – then the US will be in breach of its treaty obligations if it does not hand over those indicted. The whole purpose of the anti-torture treaties was recited specifically to be to prevent torturers from being able to claim a safe haven, ANYWHERE. Our courts have used that to go after “others” but no one seems to be wanting to discuss our obligations if it is persons in the US who are involved in the torture activities, conspiracies or cover up.
Or what might happen if Canada also were to pursue criminal charges for the kidnap/torture of its citizen(s-maybe two others in addition to Arar, and Arar’s statements and other info in Ghost Plane indicated over half a dozen of the Syrian prison’s torture cells were occupied by American proxies).
CNN – White House conference center evacuated – bomb sniffing dog had a “hit”….
late for work now…
OT – CNN – Jackson Place, the White House Conference Center – the temporary home of the White House Press corps, has been evacuated. A bomb dog gave a positive signal on something or other.
Good. Maybe there’s hope.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 69
my understanding is that the concern is not so much the equipment as it is the engineers, techs and scientists – the “human capital”. kill all the people who are capable of figuring out how to enrich the uranium (including building the equipment).
in other words – a massive, multiple assassination attack. i pray it can be prevented.
cbl @ 84
No, but thanks, and second the sentiment to the person who does have a child there. Mine is still in college and aiming for the Peace Corps.
OldCoastie @ 95
All clear signal given… must have been nothing… again…
twolf1 @ 100
Bush was trying to think, and he farted.
_
Appalling and completely barbaric. & the only one who’s cheering is probably the New York Post.
mui @ 88
Oh, hell yes. I forgot about that! Yes, absolutely.
I also heard some expert say on CSPAN that we need to be more concerned with cyber-terror b/c of the insecurity of our cyberspace – that they could hack into our systems shut down our power grids and so forth, if they wanted to. Something to think about.Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 70
Oh, heck yeah, what I said: #92 – we are on the same wavelength here. cbl @ 43
Yes, Spratt is one of the few good ones we have – and smart.
102 contd . . .& Clusterf*ck and little green footballs.
sorry for the bizarre zigs, guys, I don’t know what happened there. it’s happened to me before and I don’t know the reason why.
Mary at 94: thanks much for that summary. It’s important for us to keep track of this; there have been a few stories, but obviously not enough pressure to change behavior.
mandrake @ 105
Somewhere, you dropped or misplaced a blockquote or a /blockquote tag. When it happens to me, it’s either because of all the cutting and pasting I’ve done, or because I started typing and then quoted the comment, but the cursor in the “leave a reply” box was in the wrong place.
That’s why Preview is my Friend.
;)
Iranians captured in Gaza raid
Although Hamas and Islamic Jihad are known to have sent agents to Iran for training, this is the first report of Iranian personnel in the Palestinian territories.
more
Scarecrow @ 106
In one of the little offices we had a 14 year old on the phone during “the campaign.” His pitch was he didn’t want to be sent to Iraq. Too bad we can’t keep the pressure of a campaign going after elections.
perris @ 50
OR Isreal!
Israel
Boy, its raining kittens and puppies here. I fear I may blow away.
Scarecrow @
57
Don’t. What a chock-full excellent post this is, and I am still wandering through the links. I don’t think of visiting Atrios that often because there isn’t much there. At FDL, I can’t even keep up.
raven @ 93
I asked that of a woman at the anti-war rally in Anchorage on Saturday. Her husband started his third tour recently, She, her son and their dog all had posters (”Which Bush should I pee on?” for the pup). She answered something like “289 days 15 hours and, uh, 22 minutes and counting.”
Out of about 150 people there, almost 20 were directly related to service men or women now in the combat zones.
This was a fantabulous summary post. I’ve been so busy reading my new book and watching the live-blogging of the trial, that I admit I was not up-to-date with all the recent developments, including the number of troops.
Poor Baghdad!
mandrake @
103
Richard Clarke has been saying this for a long time.
Peterr @ 107
Thank you, that’s a good idea – I didn’t see all the other stuff it in the preview but perhaps I should have scrolled up – it’s like it lumped all my replies to quotes into one post.
Will try to be more careful in the future.
Mary @ 94
Agreed and so much better said than any allusions I’ve made to this topic.
FWIW, my paranoia level is probably pretty high these days but I honestly believe that much of the “military” and “security” outsourcing that has taken place under this administration has been done in an effort to minimize US government liability, in addition to finding a way to point fingers elsewhere.
The fact that the US won’t cooperate in this case tells me that tactic won’t work here. I hope that’s the case. It’s time someone is held fully accountable for this debacle and shameful behavior.
I don’t think my Scarecrow-praising post went through – excellent piece, Scarecrow.
Great Post Scarecrow..
Somewhere in the middle of this bungling cesspool of intellectual confusion and management ineptitude is the blunder of thinking that we are fighting a war in Iraq..what we are really doing is trying to prop up a diseased organizm called the Iraqi government and acting as referee in a sporting event in which one half of the Iraqi people are trying to murder the other half..
If we looked at it in this way as opposed to a “war” in which our military tries to defeat someone else’s on some unnamed “battlefield” we might get closer to a sound approach.
Susan in Iowa @ 113
Jane’s point, which comes from Mark Twain, and which I agree with, is that it takes more effort to make it shorter — to find just the right words, and only the right words, to convey the essential message with style. Atrios does that extremely well, and so does Jane, as here. It’s an art.
Yesterday evening in NYC:
NEW YORK – Calling Iran a danger to the U.S. and one of Israel’s greatest threats, U.S. Senator and presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday no option can be taken off the table when dealing with that nation.
“U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal: We cannot, we should not, we must not permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons,” the Democrat told a crowd of Israel supporters. “In dealing with this threat … no option can be taken off the table.”
That on the heels of the latest IDF announcement – they’ve been coming for months – that preps are well along the way to strike Iran. Oh, in case anybody is curious, “No option can be taken off the table” can be coded language for considerations over the use of nuclear weapons.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/821284.html
Susan in Iowa: Yes, that’s where I heard it. I remember now. Senile at 44.
Susan in Iowa @ 116
Richard Clarke told us the administration deliberately neglected anti terror tactics, he told us Iraq was no threat, he told us the president knew Iraq was no threat
he told us attacking Iraq would help the terrorists
it is bizarre Clarke isn’t sought for his insight now that the entire country is on to this administration and their depraved fraternity known as the PNAC who’s strategy is to destabilize the world so they can put treasure in their pockets
(emphasis added)
I think Bush has about as much use for Concern Trolls as the folks here at FDL, even if they are Distinguished and Honorable GentleTrolls in the US House and Senate.
ccmask @ 112
Kittens and puppies! That sounds like heaven!
I asked that of a woman at the anti-war rally in Anchorage on Saturday. Her husband started his third tour recently, She, her son and their dog all had posters (”Which Bush should I pee on?” for the pup). She answered something like “289 days 15 hours and, uh, 22 minutes and counting.”
Out of about 150 people there, almost 20 were directly related to service men or women now in the combat zones.
mandrake — I don’t see anything in moderation, and if there was something with a compliment, I would free it immediately!
I’m off to work, folks. Back in a while. Thanks for the great comments. Looking forward to Christy’s surprise.
The new “strategy” in Iraq is apparently for US troops to be put into Iraqi units and for the whole shebang to sleep in police stations out in the neighborhoods…when the insurgents blow up the first police station and kill all the GIs sleeping inside- that “strategy” may suffer a proctoscopic examination.
Scarecrow @ 57
And the $1.5 Trillion with a T they announced was missing at the Pentagon on September 10, 2001. Talk about yr news dump.
Peterr @ 61
Absolutely right. My apologies.
Dang. This means the doctors can’t get their Medicine prize at the same ceremony as my Peace prize. Need a new plan.
I wonder what Seymour Hersh has on his desk at this moment. Weren’t the initial articles about the Iran attack from him over 9 months ago? One could bet he’s continued researching this at the highest levels.
perris @ 124
And the administration, true to form, did their best to destroy him. Amazing how the admin. is praised for its loyalty all the time.
btw, I have no idea why everything is underlined here, I cannot find an underline code to delete in this reply – still struggling with trying to prevent zigs. I’m really trying guys!
Christy has a new thread upstairs.
To end underline type in [/u] with left and right carats replacing the [ and the ]
[Mod note; FWIW, that does not fix an unclosed link tag. It’s needs the /a between the closing brackets.]
egregious @ 135
Thanks – but I couldn’t find the first underline code which is what’s so weird, but I will still try that and see if it works.
perris @
63
I don’t think there’s time to build a new hird party at this point. Best way fwd is to work with the guys we have in office right now. A ton of congresscritters are coming up for re-election inb 2008, including every single representative. Each one of them should know that there is a progressive waiting to take on their job if they won’t do it.
Pound your congresscritters with phone calls, e-mails and visits until they know your name and face.
BTW, protecting our communications assets is #1 priority: NET NEUTRALITY and ACCURATE VOTE REPORTING. Yes, I know I am shouting. Ending the war and saving the earth will be a lot harder if they take our voices.
Ed*ard Teller @ 122
I hate the way Hillary and Chuck Schumer–instead of deconstructing “threats” — play along with the administration as if this is all a wager.
Hillary totally lost me when she appeared on Olbermann and said something about “dealing” with Chavez. Why exactly do we need to “deal” with Chavez?
over at talkleft, big tent democrat has a must read post on democratic support of republican kabuki – “On Iraq and Dems: Deja Vu All Over Again“
point by point big tent dem lays it all out. highly recommended.
Excellent post
Random thoughts:
Something you don’t mention is corruption. This hamstrung reconstruction even when the security environment was better than it is now.
Petraeus is credited with training the Iraqi army. Somehow this is seen as an achievement despite the fact that the Iraqi is an army in name only.
The numbers of the escalation are deceptive no matter how they are parsed. As I like to point out the 4,000 troops for Anbar will be going into an area larger than Pennsylvania and only a little smaller than New York state. Of the 17,500 troops promised for Baghdad, it is unclear how many of these are “trigger pullers” even under optimum assumptions. Whatever number you end up with needs to be divided by at least 3 since these troops will not be on the streets 24/7. These troops will be performing police functions for which they were not trained and even after 4 years will continue not to have the requisite language skills and cultural awareness to make them effective.
Just to show how confused things are in Iraq, the Mahdist Shi’ite militia that was hit near Najaf was anti-Iranian. The army units it was fighting were filled with members of the Badr Brigades, a Shi’ite militia controlled by the SCIRI, a political party with the closest links to Iran.
Bush is currently on the warpath against Iranian influence in Iraq. This influence could only be on Shia militias but these militias account for only a small fraction of attacks against US forces. And the ones that the Iranians would have the most influence on are our nominal allies.
Small point: “Your not sure” in paragraph about troops should read You’re not sure. [thanks, Hugh; fixed it. Scarecrow]
Re:Impeachment. I don’t know if this has been mentioned previously but last week in our humble state of New Mexico, two state senators introduced a bill to impeach Bush and Cheney (as has been done in 4 or 5 other states). If you are in NM or simply want info about this or wish to offer support, afterdowningstreet has a great page dedicated to it (if this actually comes up as a link, it is thanks to peterr….I think? If it doesn’t, then it is all MY fault…!) http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/nm
mui @ 138
That’s easy: to make things easier for Bush to install a new president more complicit with his policies of trying to control the resources of every country in which we have a national interest. Also, we need to help enable the pres in demonizing all non-cooperative “enemies.”
It’s really quite simple from Hill’s standpoint. Don’t criticize his policies, just criticize the way he implements those policies.
I just cannot respect this woman the way I did in the 90’s. What a disappointment she has turned out to be. And yet she is being rammed down our throats every day as the most viable candidate. Tweety cannot stop drooling over her.
Every time I see her on TV, I go for the remote.
With a one seat majority in the senate- and with the guy who represents the one seat advantage in a hospital somewhere, dems really don’t have the votes to do much about Iraq. They could stop the war if they cut off the funding- but they CLEARLY don’t have the votes- not even CLOSE to enough votes- never mind having to overcome a fillibuster–
In the senate you need sixty votes to do much- and the dems are a long way from it.
Susan in Iowa @ 116
Crazyhorse, nice interview with Kelpie Wilson, BTW. Question for you: if power grid was decentralized, ie, power generated locally was put into grid — wind generators, solar, whatever, wouldn’t that make power grid less vulnerable?
A couple of days ago, in discussing the Libby letter, I noted (with others) that that Aspen may have referenced the Aspen Institute in Colorado, whose Middle East Strategy Group met August 2-7, 2003. Judy met Libby (in cowboy hat) around this time in Colorado, and probably both were at this meeting – at least Judy was. Libby’s comment the “Aspens are turning” I suggested, may have been a reference to people on this supposedly bi-partisan group who were turning away from the neo-con agenda on the war, which until then, they seem to have supported. In short I was seeking to buttress the idea that in the case of Judy and Libby, Wolfowitz, Perle, Kissinger, and many others – the war was always about ideology. There is more to support this too.
Members of the Middle East group are listed on the Aspen web site: http://www.aspeninstitute.org/…..embers.htm
Chairs are Kissinger, Albright, Feinstein, and Hagel.
In 2003 a key focus was Iran. The August 2003 meeting topic indeed was “In Search of an American Grand Strategy for the Middle East” – see:
http://www.aspeninstitute.org/…..y_Date.htm
The paper itself is here: http://www.aspeninstitute.org/atf/cf/{DEB6F227-659B-4EC8-8F84-8DF23CA704F5}/ASPEN_GRANDSTRATEGY1.PDF
This paper is a MUST READ for all Fdl’ers and others. Basically everything is laid out in it in this whole sordid mess.
Judith Miller and Fareed Zakaria are listed among the Aspen Institute – Middle East Policy members – as is magazine billionaire Mortimer Zuckerman (so the aim was to get the press involved from the outset). That Jane Harman (and Sidney Harmon)as well as Diane Feinstein are on this group (means the aim also was to rope in key Dems – who could support their agenda).
When you realize that now BOTH Brownback and Hagel who were central figures here oppose the war with vehemence, you see how much the Aspens HAVE turned. I wonder if their being “taken in” within the forest of Aspens is part of their anger.
My hunch is that for Libby (and Cheney and Rove and Bush) there was no thought that one of their own (including Miller) would ever turn (as in turn on them in court). Their real fear was that others they relied on would turn on them in support of the American war agenda in the Middle East. And that is exactly what happened. No wonder Pelosi was pissed at Harman.
Interestingly the Aspen Institute also is sponsoring something called CALME (Campaign for American Leadersip in the Middle East) and also have on board an Israeli and Palestinian business man. The site mentions that things are especially urgent now in light of the Hamas election in Israel: http://www.aspeninstitute.org/…..Group.htm.
They have a petition you can sign along with a list of some usually quite thoughtful people, such as Ariana Huffington. She and others seem to have been scammed by this. While all of us would love to have peace in the middle east, this thing seems to be a bit of sweet exterior icing on a nasty yellow cake.
National Intelligence Estimate – iraq – 9 page PDF. Via ThinkProgress.
The Iraqi militia’s new chant…”Give Praise to all the US Neocons..”
U.S. training made Shiite militia stronger
BAGHDAD — The U.S. military’s efforts to train and equip Iraq’s security forces have unwittingly strengthened the al-Mahdi Army militia, which has been battling to take over much of the capital as U.S. forces try to secure it.
U.S. Army commanders and enlisted men who are patrolling east Baghdad said the militia, which is loyal to anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, had heavily infiltrated the Iraqi police and army units that the Americans have trained and armed.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/world/16605799.htm
*TOP SECRET*
George Bush’s Enemies List
1. Sprites
2. Pixies
3. Goblins
4. Hobgoblins
5. Islamo-fascists
6. Gremlins
7. Gnomes
8. Evildoers
David Robinson @ 148
Best Friends:
1. Barney
2. God
3. Jesus
4. Tony Snow
rwcole @ 120
Don’t forget … most of the people in the Iraqi government found their way through US support and “help.”
From Needlenose.com (Needlenose)
And … it’s SWOPA’s piece! WD Swopa!!
From Bitterlemonsinternational.org (bitterlemonsinternational.org) in January, 2005 (Edition 3, Volume 3) (this is from Wrong place at the wrong time – Saad Jawad)
I am tired of politicians trying to claim that the government of Iraq is not a puppet of the US. Whether it is now or not isn’t even the point. The fact is, the Bush administration installed very much a puppet government after the invasion, they were primarily responsible for creation of the so-called constitution (which, by the way, as I understand it, wasn’t even drafted or crafted by those with real experience in such matters). And then, when the Iraqis demanded elections, the US authorities resisted and delayed until they no longer could. Even then, they provided serious funding to candidates of their choice (and, ostensibly in the “US interests”). Despite all of that, I think one of most insulting things is the fact that Ahmed Chalabi is STILL a minister in the government. How the hell does THAT happen?
Frankly, while I cannot possibly put myself in the shoes of an Iraqi civilian living in Iraq, I do think I can imagine how easy it would be to become so utterly cynical to believe that events unfolding now are largely the result of the US occupation. Knowing that, I can certainly also understand why those citizens would also want the US out — so they can root out their own problems and try to correct them without the US influence. At least then they could try to figure out what is REALLY going on, as opposed to what the US WANTS them to believe is going on.
I truly do not see what, after all damage has already been done, the US honestly thinks it can accomplish with genuine and untainted Iraqi support. We have bullied, destroyed and lied to them. And yet, Bush continues to say, in essence, “trust us.”
Right.
Someone send me a happy pill, will you?
Muck FcCain and the HoJo he rode in on.
mandrake @ 142
I hear you!!! In the 90’s I absolutely adored her. I have no idea what demons wound up possessing her, but at this point, they can keep her.
Richmond @ 145
Thanks for the links but I can’t get this one to work. I’ll see if I can find it while navigating the site, but if you get a chance and see this, can you try reposting the link just in case?
Bush administration seeks $245B for wars
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..0bQ–
mui @ 109
Why not? Turn up the heat! Write, call or email your Rep and Senators — and ask them:
“What part of ‘Get our troops out of Iraq NOW’ don’t you understand?”
Or even better — “Bush, Cheney, Rove and Libby et al have conspired to and committed treason, why aren’t you moving to impeach?”
raven @
26
Maybe it’s a matter of existing weapons turned or aimed in a different direction.
Great snark, but if not…
The comment I replied to sounded as if the possibility that the helicoptor was shot down by new weapons coming into Iraq. That may be true but it hasn’t been established yet. Here’s another example of what I meant.