
Who says arguments about the legal minutiae can't be interesting?
Fitz. There're two reasons I beg to differ, Libby chose to make McClellan his agent. Libby "hid behind Mr. McClellan to do it" [make the statement].
Walton. It's in effect Libby saying it. Where are the notes indicating what he wanted McC to say. Can I see that and then I need to see what you want to show to the jury.
Fitz Puts Libby's sonnet back up….
Fitz is walking through the scenario of Libby asking Scottie to clear him publicly.
Wells. In terms of 403 analysis. The story is in the grand jury already. What you're talking about is situations where undue prejudice may be caused. It's like a feeding frenzy.
Walton. But I assume the govt's big concern in the context in this case, I assume that if the opening statement had not been made, that Libby was being thrown under a bus to protect Mr Rove.
Wells. It has nothing to do with the opening statement. Fitz always intended to enter this as a key piece of evidence.
Walton But I still have to factor that in. I have yet to see any evidence that that was in play. If we were talking about the leak being the basis for govt's prosecution, maybe that's sufficient to raise a question as it relates to leak situation. But Mr. Libby's on trial for allegedly subsequent to that having lied to FBI. How you make out a case that WH was putting his [Libby's] head on a platter in order to protect Mr. Rove, I don't understand how that connect is going to be made.
Wells. Let me explain purpose of it. Fitz repeatedly argued that Bush made statement that anyone involved would be fired. My response to that, in terms of Libby, he was not concerned about job, he was concerned they were scapegoating him. What we're going to argue in response to govt's argument, he was concerned about scapegoating. He acted like an innocent person, went to VP and asked to be exonerated. That's what VP will say if he testifies. It goes to motive. They want this transcript in to go to motive. They want to say he was afraid of losing job. Only an innocent person, I would argue, would go to VPUS, to say that he was worried about scapegoating. [EW: Huh?? I think this makes him look pretty damn guilty.]
Wells now goes back to GJ testimony. Why they need to see a videotape of McC making a statement which is a feeding frenzy.
Walton. I don't see how this prejudices. I need to look at it.
Wells. It's unnecessary for anything to be played as a videotape. [EW: Hey Ted–what about that video of Judy you introduced]
Fitz. One point, when you look at it. I'm not sure what Wells and I agree on, I think it's highly relevant that well before GJ, he got this statement. That goes right to the point that there's no evidence of trying to throw him under the bus. If the defendant had done it himself.
Walton. How would it be relevant.
Fitz. He put down a marker. If turns around withing 4 days and says I took info from Grossman, VP and Martin, and told it to Miller and Cooper. Your honor this was classified. He has to make sure that anything he tells reporters doesn't come from a classified source. Is he locked in, unable to admit that he got it from official channels. The best way to cut that off is to put it into the bucket of information coming from reporters.
Wells. Fitz just said, it was classified information. The jury has been instructed that question of classification is not an issue in this case. He cannot say that.
Walton. In light of what we've told the jury, how does that play out.
Fitz. I'm not going to tell the jury that the info was classified. The one way he can insulate himself would be to say, I got it from reporters, not from official channels. It's an investigation into whether classified identity was leaked. That's right in the charged language. He's got to worry that this info about someone who worked at the CIA cleanest way to take himself off the hook is to say he heard a rumor from reporters.
Wells. He said a minute ago it's classified.
Walton. He said, whether it was classified or not, the cleanest way to shift it, is to put it on reporters. Let me look at what we're talking about.
And there we have the crux of this case in a nutshell: for Libby, it was about the most effective means of CYA after he overstepped his bounds trying to protect the ass of Dick Cheney when Cheney's credibility and veracity began to be questioned by the very media that he and his office had been using to launder their half-baked stories. For Fitzgerald and his team, it's all about exposing the lies and the cover-up, because no one — and I mean NO ONE — is allowed to lie to the FBI and to a federal grand jury and get a pass.
And Wells' tour de force of a lengthy, detailed, meandering opening statement? That sure is coming back to bite him in the behind, isn't it?
Fascinating stuff. And it makes for a whole lot of questions and speculation, doesn't it? Here's to many, many more questions to come on all of this. Every last piece of this mess, every rock turned over and the festering masses hiding underneath exposed to the disinfectant of public scrutiny, every last nuance and backroom deal and wink and nod from the media and failure to exact oversight by members of Congress. Every ass-covering handshake deal.
It will not be completed once this trial has concluded, not by half. But Fitzgerald and his team have set down a marker for the members of Congress to follow: the truth shall set you free. Here's to more and more digging in the days and weeks to come. Because if we have learned nothing else from this horrific mess, let us learn this: oversight and accountability are exactly what Congress ought to be doing with its time, every damn day. No one, not even the President of the United States, gets a pass.
It is well past time for some accountability. Here's to sunlight and the public. At long last.
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Christy!
Fitz and starts!
-GSD
Truth!
Justice!
And . . . um . . . what was the other one?
But Fitzgerald and his team have set down a marker for the members of Congress to follow.
I wonder if they have the guts to follow
Thanks for all the great work! And — I just bought your booko!
By the way, did Darkblack photoshop the face of McCauley Culkin over the face of Patricia Arquette?
-GSD
Sucks that the press is pretty much radio silent on this case.
Guess I would be too if it took the DOJ and hippie bloggers to do my damned job for me.
T- at 7 — Actually, the WaPo, the NYTimes, the NYDailyNews, NPR and MSNBC have been doing some decent coverage. It’s the nightly news broadcasts that have been shortchanging it.
Perhaps it is time for all of us to send a few e-mails at lunch today?
Christy….
While apparently “parts of the NIE” were declassified, the INR report that Libby got was also classified — and I’ve seen no evidence that it was ever “insta-declassified” by the president. Yet we have testimony from Ari that he was told stuff that appears in the classified report created at Libby’s behest that Libby did not say was “classified”. And we have Judy saying the same thing.
Why doesn’t Fitz argue “classified” based on the INR document?
o.t. but very important :
BREAKING: Bush “surge” likely sending DOUBLE the number of troops to Iraq – 35,000 to 48,000 – NOT 21,000
by John in DC – 2/01/2007 12:36:00 PM
Americablog.com
I was trying to evaluate that very exchange earlier.
My subconcious kept telling me there was something signifigant there. Unfortunately , I am so hungover from last nights birthday celebration, that I am not functioning above basic life support.
p.luk at 9 — I believe that Judge Walton put several restrictions on admissibility with regard to the NIE and the INR. Will have to comb back through my notes on that (if anyone knows off the top of their head, please do chime in — have been dealing with The Peanut’s cold this morning, and I’m a bit tired…).
T- @
7
And you have squarely nailed the reason why bloggers are getting to be so important. It’s the content, stupid. Where radio and TV have been oddly quiet about this trial, Marcy has been typing her little fingers to the bone and we have had brilliant analysis. FDL is boldly going where no blog has gone before and leaving the MSM in the dust.
Except for Nina Totenberg’s and David Shuster’s excellent, but all too short, coverage, it doesn’t get better than this.
gonna throw some cold water on us firedogs
if there is no conviction, the trial becomes a laughing stock for the supporters of the president and they will point and say “see?”
there will not be another prosecution regarding this leak if this one fails
the president and vice president will do the circuit, claiming they are vindicated and the entire prosecution is a liberal conspiracy
they will attach significance that does not exist to every single topic that arises
there is much at stake with this one crime, not just this crime, but the tool it will give the administration if fitz fails
I hold my breath
AWWW, poor peanut.
The little darlin is not having a good winter this year.
Thanks, SUPERMOM!!
Irony of ironies, I would not be surprised if the WH did indeed throw Libby under the bus in order to protect Rove.
Did a damn fine job of it, apparently.
Mocha Dem @
4
You know the saying, “once you have em by the short hairs their hearts and minds will follow”!
Fitz doesn’t need to argue “classified”. He’s arguing that Libby had a reason to fear for his job if he truthfully testified that he had leaked the information about V. Plame’s CIA employment.
Thus Fitz wants the statement that “anyone involved in leaking classified information will not be working for this administration” in. I don’t think he’s much interested in Scotty’s statement of exoneration.
Libby is arguing that 1)he didn’t leak any classified information, and 2)if he did, he didn’t know it and wasn’t worried about his job.
But if he knew the info was classified, and leaked it, and still wasn’t worried about his job, then he’s put info on the record that implicates his boss.
Team Libby’s tactic of confuse-the-jury seems to me to be working for Fitz’s larger goals. Assuming he has larger goals, which I do assume.
Thanks for the clarification Christy.
Those rags you mentioned aren’t on my normal reading list, and I don’t get MSNBC. Must have missed the NPR segments during my 10 minute commute.
I can tell you that CNN and the WSJ are doing a really shitty job.
Is this the same Judge Walton as refused to lift the gag on FBI 911 Whistleblower Sibel Edmunds:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..40141.html
Federal Judge Puts 16 Guantanamo Cases On Hold
Associated Press | Posted January 31, 2007
Sixteen lawsuits by Guantanamo Bay detainees were put on hold Wednesday by a federal judge who said he may no longer have jurisdiction to hear their cases.
U.S. District Court Judge Reggie B. Walton in Washington said the Military Commissions Act, signed into law in October, has left him unable to consider whether the detainees can challenge being held at the Navy facility in Cuba
Christy Hardin Smith @
8
Compare and contrast with the coverage of OJ’s murder trial.
Sad.
Well, if Fitzgerald is next in line to have his USA post yanked (I expect it to come hours after the verdict is announced here), I hope he’ll offer his services to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence before he decides to cash in on private practice (and lord knows, he could make a bundle with his reputation).
Bustednuckles @
11
{{{{{{busted}}}}}}} welcome to 47! (I am whispering)
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It must be hell to have your administration’s plausibility melting away like a Greenland glacier when the highest bar of morality you strive for is plausible deniability.
drinksforall @ 10
Mmmkay. Then there’s this from the Generals:
Iraq commander: Only half of troop ’surge’ needed
Shit! I thought I was cured! Sat down to read just ‘for a minute’ and the next thing….I’m suckered in.
This is beautiful, Christy – really.
To Sunlight & to US.
-ck- @ 3
Murkin weigh.
The Smoking Gun
http://www.truthout.org
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013107Z.shtml
Cheney’s Handwritten Notes Implicate Bush in Plame Affair
By Jason Leopold and Marc Ash
t r u t h o u t | Report
Wednesday 31 January 2007
Copies of handwritten notes by Vice President Dick Cheney, introduced at trial by defense attorneys for former White House staffer I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, would appear to implicate George W. Bush in the Plame CIA Leak case.
Bush has long maintained that he was unaware of attacks by any member of his administration against [former ambassador Joseph] Wilson. The ex-envoy’s stinging rebukes of the administration’s use of pre-war Iraq intelligence led Libby and other White House officials to leak Wilson’s wife’s covert CIA status to reporters in July 2003 in an act of retaliation.
But Cheney’s notes, which were introduced into evidence Tuesday during Libby’s perjury and obstruction-of-justice trial, call into question the truthfulness of President Bush’s vehement denials about his prior knowledge of the attacks against Wilson. The revelation that Bush may have known all along that there was an effort by members of his office to discredit the former ambassador begs the question: Was the president also aware that senior members of his administration compromised Valerie Plame’s undercover role with the CIA?
Something that occurred to me.
In the above exchange, it seems like both the gov’t and Wells are tacitly admitting that Plame was indeed classified. So if that’s so, why didn’t Fitz charge IIPA?
Here’s my guess: I think what the admin was doing (and may still be doing now) is insta-decalssifying stuff to leak, then RECLASSIFYING it to cover their tracks. They’ve been caught reclassifying info that had been previously declassified before.
[Argh! Walton is reverting to a different justification for entering this. He just admitted this on state of mind, not on Libby’s agent!!!]
Is there any disadvantage to the prosecution in having this admitted on state of mind as opposed to Libby’s agent?
perris @ 14
Yeah, that’s very true. But, from earlier testimony, I think he’s got the first of the perjury charges nailed down. Obstruction may be more difficult, but, Libby’s lawyers actually reinforced Fitzgerald’s witness’ testimony early on. They’re going to have a difficult time walking that one back from the edge.
Speaking of throwing people under buses… how is justice served by this scenario?
A guy is on trial. His defense is that he is being sacrificed to protect “higher-ups” which could lead to the President. But he wants to avoid actually “giving up” (implicating/indicting) the “higher-ups” because it is his successful sacrifice that will possibly merit a Presidential pardon (issued on the President’s last day in office?). Whether the President would actually do that remains to be seen, but it is the carrot-on-the-stick for Libby, should all else fail.
Can the President pardon someone who may have had a role in protecting the President from inquiry/prosecution? What is wrong with this picture?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 12
For what it is worth, I had mine in daycare early (from 1 1/2 years on) and she came back with a zillion colds. I began regularly to put boxes of kleenexes all over the house. But, she has had maybe 1 cold since the age of 3, and that was a minor one. In short, pain now to gain later.
perris says @ 14
gonna throw some cold water on us firedogs
I think many of us realize this can happen. It takes just one juror.
Also, when it comes to everyone wanting Libby and/or Cheney to testify, I say: Be careful what you ask for. They can both leave huge impressions and can be heavily persuasive. Libby, especially, has a lot of charisma.
Fingers crossed, but – yes – it’s still early.
As to whether the case ends here, that will depend entirely on if Fitz sees and has proof of any other criminality. And he won’t restrict himself to matters of leaking. There may or may not be other crimes having been committed but if there are, then watch out: Prosecutors are absolute pitbulls for Justice!
Those “detainees” have been sentenced to Gitmo for life.
Interested Observer @ 33
There are no Constitutional limitations on pardons in that regard. But, once pardoned, the person has the obligation to speak truthfully in any investigation related to the pardoned offense. So, if Libby were pardoned, and the statute of limitations permitted it, a future DoJ could pursue related matters with that person’s testimony.
This typically has not been done to ex-Presidents, since it is seen as partisan.
Amidst all of the legal wrangling, lying, cover ups, etc., my favorite piece of info to date is that Tim Russert hates Chris Matthews! How delicious.
Here is the Raw story story(from London Times & Jerusalem Post) on plans being worked on for a US-Iran attack… alas, again with British support. Who is key in this? OVP of course.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0201.html
viget at 30 — IIPA requires a prosecutor to prove that the classified material in question was “knowingly” revealed — which, in legal terms, is a very high bar on prosecution to jump. It requires a confession from the accused or someone else involved in a conspiracy to cut a deal and rat out the accused in some form, or a recording of the folks involved plotting, or something of that nature.
As a good prosecutor, you charge what you can prove, no more, no less — to do otherwise is to waste the public’s money.
anne @
38
And that basilisk Mary Matalin calling Wilson a snake. I’m sorry Mr. Pot, Mr. Kettle isn’t here right now. You’ll have to call him black later.
ManagedChaos @
31
No. And (assuming it’s admitted) if this matter were before a court on appeal, the court could
affirm on either theory or on the additional Fed. R. Ev. 801 exception that Christy mentioned earlier.
Richmond at 34 — That is what her pediatrician is telling me. She had pneumonia when she was tiny and we had to keep her insulated for several months as a precautionary measure from any and all germ carrying nasties (including other kids). So she’s just now catching up with all the ick since we started her in preschool this year. Her doc says this will serve her in the long run — it’s just tough on momma in the meantime.
Mike @ 21
They’re having a hard time covering what they don’t understand.
TRex @ 42
the gorgon’s “hola!”
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. The drumbeat goes on.
“Pentagon officials and analysts also told the Associated Press in a little-noticed article Wednesday that any small catalyst could ignite a war.”
Cue the Jeopardy theme music.
-GSD
When Fitz said “our tech people are good, but they’re not that good” what was he referring to? Something about editing video?
James Carvile=serpentine sire.
-GSD
TRex @ 42
Hey, as an iguana I resent that.
stingray-
“Libby, especially, has a lot of charisma.”
Seriously? I’ve never heard this. Do you have some personal knowledge?
Sparkles the Iguana @ 48
I think he was making a joke about not having the edited video tape ready to go. Walton had just made his ruling, after all.
re: Timmeh hates Tweety. All we really know is that Matalin thinks that Timmeh hates Tweety. She could be wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time.
Sparkles the Iguana @
47
Just a joke about how fast they could edit video to include only the allowable portions
Oh, Sparkles, they may be lizards, but they’re clearly not ‘our sort’ now are they?
Hey Fitz, I could edit that video for ya…
No. You. Diiiiin’t!
I fail to see how the trial makes it to jury deliberations. Surely Libby will strike a deal before that point, if he suspects a pardon is not in the offing. No way a pardon is issued until the next to last day in office for Shrub (bless you Molly Ivins). I have a hard time believing that he will agree to sit in jail until Jan. 2009 just to make Cheney look good. They are fishing to see what Fitz has, so they will let the trial play out until the 11th hour, and then strike an immunity deal, wherein Libby rats out Biggus Dickus.
Interested Observer @
33
This is the stuff impeachment & REMOVAL are made of.
Accountability is so non-Bush. Sunlight and the public are so non-Cheney.
Bomb Iran.
Courtesy of No Quarter.
-GSD
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
I think kids’ immunity systems learn more in preschool than their brains. Preschools are total germ labs. It’s also how the little buggers build up their immune systems. Tough way to do it, but they survive. And like the Doc says, it serves them well in the long haul. My kid’s immunity system is strong as a bull – he NEVER gets sick. The system works, trust me!
EPUed from the last thread:
steve @ 64
But did Scotty lie for Scooter?
Just about a week ago, Scooter said on The Daily Show that he chose his words VERY carefully in his presser, saying that the admin officials he spoke to “told me that they did not leak”. And, if I remember correctly, he didn’t even say this about Scooter in particular. On TDS, he implied that he didn’t necessarily trust that he was being told the truth by these individuals, therefore he didn’t assert it as fact that they were not involved in the Plame leak – hence, he said they told him they were not involved.
Fun side game during lunch: keep track of the normally unimportant words that are key in this trial. We have:
- “it” (as in Scooter apparently saying “I didn’t do it”
- “this” (as explained above)
- “ever” versus “even” (the possible Cooper typo, well-debunked by someone on FDL (hat tip to ya!)
did I miss any others? So far, I don’t remember an important “is” yet, hehehe!
I don’t know if the general public is capable of viewing this as ‘fascinating.’ After all, there’s no blue dress, no presidential DNA (does the current POTUS have DNA? If cyborg, the digestional track may retain some; if pure android, then probably not).
A glittering irony of these proceedings is that is has shown the main stream media (ala Russert) to be mere pawns in a game played be ego-maniacal assholes who have consideration for nothing other than their own position in the pecking order of said ‘game’ (Mary Matalin and her pet Cajun whelp). As such, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle comes into play with regard to public perception of these issues; such that, the more these issues are reported by the MSM that is part of the game, the less can actually be known or believed about the position of the MSM in the whole, tawdry little passion play.
It does fascinate, but it also disgusts!
Again, I thank FDL for a perspective from a dimension which falls outside the evil spin by the senseless quarks of the MSM. Thank you, and god bless. Now back to my regularly scheduled lurking!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 44
I know; plus you feel bad for her! Only thing I would add is that like childbirth, in a few more years neither one of you will remember much of this all. And, imagine dealing with this on your own, without all the friends (and energy & work) you are engaged with regularly at FDL. I mean that seriously! I feel really bad about those who have to parent in isolation (even & sometimes especially those with a workng-outside-the-house spouse).
Interested Observer @
33
Does any case law exist that defines cases of impeachment (Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution)?
Let me repost this excerpt from a 1915 Supreme Court decision (Burdick v. United States) that I posted in one of this morning’s threads:
I knew Gerard Depardieu was involved in this somehow.
As trial trundles along, shrub continues rattling sabers. I’ve HAD ENOUGH! So forgive while I just re-spew a thot that was EPU’d below:
While WE’re all waiting, along with the jury, how ’bout grabbing some of Molly’s pots & pans, computers & pens, faxes & phones, & making }}}}}}LOUD{{{{{{ noises twd:
-legislative twig of OUR govt (YES, including pugs!),
-every pol who ever even hiccupped about running for prez,
-local newspapers,
-media & other hotshot-execs
-shrub & shooter (why not?! don’t they deserve to be pestered?),
-talk shows,
-tv “polls/schmolls” (scientific or not – makee no difference),
-every petition you can scare up from MoveOn, ACLU, TrueMajority, DNC etc. etc. etc.
GUILT TRIP, with apologies for the sensitive:
Molly was still publishing JUST LAST WEEK!
What ELSE you got goin’ while we, and the jury, sit and twiddle our thumbs?
What’s OUR excuse?!!!
(I loved her too, & I’ve been doing this before also, just like most of you, so don’t start with me. You KNOW what she wants us to do, over and over. So go do it again, and again, and again. She made it all too clear, and we know she was right. Bless her!)
share @ 20
YES!
Someone else pointed out above that everyone seems to have dropped the pretense that Valerie Plame’s identity was classified. There was also an interesting comment above saying that perhaps the Bush team’s defense is that they can insta-declassify something, leak it, and then immediately reclassify it again. Even if this were legally possible, I think you’d have to have a damn good paper trail to make it work as a defense. And in the current case, I would think that the Wilsons would be entitled to a courtesy call to let them know that you’re putting their lives in danger.
tejanarusa @ 50
Define “charisma”, particularly as it appplies to Mr. Libby.
Again, the devil’s in the details! i.e., “Cheney has charisma”, “a hissing rattlesnake has charisma”…these could be truthful statements under certain definitions of “charisma”.
Just for laughs, from the LA Times:
The president has jumped the shark
It’s his seventh season, and the desperation is starting to show.
By Andy Borowitz, ANDY BOROWITZ is the author, most recently, of “The Republican Playbook.”
and
Patt Morrison:
5 stages of grief, 9 circles of tech hell
Abandon hope all ye who call the 800 number.
Just trying to read between the non-transcript lines, but is seems that the trial is bringing out little tidbits here and there, helping us fill in more of the complete picture of how the entire Administration behaved. But for the jury, this must be very frustrating, because the efforts by team Libby to limite which bits of information the jury gets to see means they only see fragments of the total picture — those bits and pieces that the judge finds are are legally relevant to the specific crimes charged and/or Libby’s defenses to those charges.
It’s hard even for us, who see more of the picture, to sort out what really happened, but it must be doubly hard for the Jury. It’s like looking at a jigsaw puzzle with two thirds of the pieces missing — many of them critical as we get closer to the heart of the matter — and trying to figure out what the picture is.
Interesting article in Salon by Sidney Blumenthal on how Libby became Cheney’s pawn. A sampler:
Mr Blifil @ 56
Works for me!!!!!!
John Forde 57
Why yes, I do indeed believe it is.
Please see my 66.
I think the average American doesn’t even know this trial is happening.
The MSM is keeping this pretty quiet, and it doesn’t have a thing to do with getting the kids to school or making sure there is enough money to pay the rent.
Us, on the other hand, would like to see this on every big screen in America. It DOES matter,it IS a big deal.
CHS — And Wells’ tour de force of a lengthy, detailed, meandering opening statement? That sure is coming back to bite him in the behind, isn’t it?
Yep, because we all know it makes no sense to introduce a gun in the first act if you don’t plan to use it by the third act.
Can’t wait to see where this is going. Send the popcorn boy over, wouldja?
Something that will bother me probably forever is that we don’t know enough about Armitage and his motivations. We’re being asked to believe that a deputy secretary of state, a guy who as been around FOREVER at the highest levels, accidentally reveals an operative’s name to a journalist, as idle gossip. That smells so fishy to me. We’re supposed to buy into the rationale that because he wasn’t pushing the war, because he wasn’t a neocon like the others, he had no real reason to out Plame. But the guy is not stupid. So why the “idle gossip” about a covert operative?
Biodun @ 72
Hey Biodun, nice link! Ready for sushi again, soon?
Mr Blifil @ 56
I suppose that’s one scenario. I think it’s going to go to a verdict, though. My big question is what’s going to happen if/when a guilty verdict is read. Fitz has made it very clear that he thinks Libby has kept him from getting to the truth in this case. I suspect that he’ll ask for Libby to be immediately remanded into custody so that he’ll have more time to work on his failing memory. Any crap about how he needs time to settle his affairs will be met with, “He’s had over a year with a multimillion dollar legal team.” I don’t think Walton is going to let him stay out of jail until the appeals have been exhausted, either, since Walton has bent over backward to accomodate Team Libby in this case.
Scarecrow @ 71
Yeah. And yet, they’re asking smart questions, which is a good sign. They don’t seem to be totally bewildered, which is how I suspect I might be if I didn’t know squat about any of this.
Frank Probst @ 68
Oops, make that “pretense that Valerie Plame’s identity might not be classified.” Totally botched that comment.
When the jurors are backstage waiting, reading their novels, are they allowed to read “The Apprentice” by I. Lewis Libby?
epu’d from a link-article from new york magazine:
**When Colonel Richard McPhee ordered MET Alpha to pull back from a search mission and regroup in the town of Talil, Miller disagreed vehemently with the decision—and let her opinions be loudly known. The Washington Post ’s Howard Kurtz reprinted a note in which she told public-affairs officers that she would write negatively about his decision if McPhee didn’t back down. What’s more, Kurtz reported that Miller complained to her friend Major General David Petraeus. Even though McPhee’s unit fell outside the general’s line of command, Petraeus’s rank gave his recommendation serious heft. According to Kurtz, in an account that was later denied, “McPhee rescinded his withdrawal order after Petraeus advised him to do so.”**
i believe he is the new man in charge in iraq! “her friend”…. you all were talking about the ’small circle’ in washington…….and the aspen theory.
Patsy Stone @ 77
treasontrees in The Jury Orchardbeth meacham @
51
Yes, exactly. Walton always wants to start up right away, but in this case, Fitz was just saying, we don’t have the videos done, we’ve just decide how to edit them down.
johnSwifty @ 78
Sure thing. Did you get my email this morning? Balrog and John Forde and KathieinMN might be joining us. Puppethead too, if possible. But he hasn’t been at the Lake in the last few days when I’ve been here.
Frank Probst @
68
When did bushco ever stoop to courtesies?
johnSwifty @ 62
Not to worry, John. The information that is coming out of this trial is being documented by bloggers here at FDL and a few other sites. As this basic information filters out through the toobz, this raw info will be read, analyzed, discussed, written about, re-analyzed, written some more about, and more will be discussed. This is not only good stuff vis a vis this current Administration, this type of grassroots, fact-based information gathering and dissemination will only grow. It’s already morphing into a new media paradigm — widely-reported investigative reporting no longer the sole dominion of the MSM. When things change/grow like this…things never go back to being the way they were. Good.
Frank Probst @
79
I can’t believe they would take him into custody pre-sentencing. And they could go ahead with the sentencing phase while the appeals get going, if I understand properly. At least that is what happens on a state level, frequently (usually) but maybe it is different on in Fed court.
@83 forgot to say was when judy judy judy was imbedded in iraq, gathering wmd info……….was from article about her old boyfriends in washington that was posted in earlier thread
Bustednuckles @ 75
Somewhat – if it took the place of serial soap operas or preempting Oprah, it might get some attention. It’s basically being played “under wraps.”
And, life sometimes takes precedence: I know people who are paying close attention, and are actively involved in alot here where I am, and no kidding, the high school in their small community went up in flames this morning & is still burning. Reality is a sucker sometimes.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 80
Yes, that’s encouraging, both a sign that they’re paying attention and as a hint that one or more will step forward in the jury room to explain the logic and connect the dots. Someone has to play that role for others, who gather information in different ways. My point, however, is that even the most perceptive jurors can’t/won’t ask questions about evidence they never get to see or hear — and that’s what Wells was trying to limit today. Fitz is trying to show them as much of the whole picture as he can — because then they’ll see the true image of Libby and his role in a very secretive and manipulative administration. When Well’s kept repeating, “this is a feeding frenzy” I think that was his concern. But the truth is, there’s plenty to feed on, and he’s trying (it’s his job)to conceal that.
Biodun @ 86
Just saw it, just replied. Sounds good. Minnesota is being herself; such that we need to get a bunch of hotheads together and have a good bitch, just for the warmth!
Patsy Stone @ 76
Wapo has a nice little summary about how the the conspiracy theory is not working.
Folks, just an update–Walton isn’t even in the court room yet, so it’ll be about 20 minutes at least before I load the first liveblog thread.
But you seem to be carrying on here quite well without me!
Btw, I sent Kagro X into the courtroom for the PM, since Jeralyn had to leave.
dmac @ 84
I had missed the Petraeus part. And by the way when will this congress really get a voice on this?
Thank you again emptywheel.
Adie at 66:
I’m currently doing a few things:
- corresponding back & forth with Senator Levin. We’ve been discussing the escalation in Iraq and the continuing war, plus the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan. I got a letter back from him yesterday, just before the announcement came out about he and Sen. Warner coming to compromise on the non-binding resolution to discourage escalation. Once more info is available about the language in this non-binding resolution, I’ll be emailing him back to discuss what it will do besides “send a message”, and what his next steps will be. For more info, see this diary on Daily Kos from last night. Feel freee to comment & add suggestions. Note that I also added a section boiling down what I see are the three types of resolutions being offered in the Senate next week, and I speculate what the Levin/Warner amendment may accomplish.
- based on what happens this week and weekend, I’ll be sending letters to Sen. Specter and other Senators who seem somewhat non-committal towards the Levin/Warner resolution versus the McCain Escalation Cheerleeding resolution, urging them to take action to stop this ridiculous war. Part of the inspiration for this comes from my anger in hearing that Specter described he and other non-committed Senators as “anguished” over how strongly to resist the President’s lust for war (see this dKos rant diary regarding this topic).
Then, I’ll see how things shake down in the Senate debate, and probably make a lot of phone calls to try and convince the nervous Nellies in Congress to get on board with the Levin/Warner plan, as a start toward putting some boundaries around this President. Time permitting, there will be some Letters to the Editor coming, too.
Seems like a good plan for next week. Oh, and I’m sure I’ll be watching the Libby trial events unfolding on FDL, too ;)
To me, this is a very critical time for us to speak out. We should be helping to educate the public and urge our fellow citizens and our representatives in Congress to stop this war action that the President views as being completely under his discretion. I hope others are going to take a lot of action to help encourage their Congressional reps to take decisive action ASAP. We may not have this window to shape policy before Bush sends more troops to the hellhole that is Iraq.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 8
Here’s a link for local and nat’l news contacts.
http://newslink.org/nett.html
clueless @ 88
Oh, I quite agree. We’ve all left Plato’s cave, never to return to the shadow mummeries on the wall.
But, as my fellow Minnesotans of the sixth district have currently shown by electing Michelle Bachmann to office, there’s still an awful lot of very foolish people in the world.
Faux news is still number one; but I join you in hoping that the times are a changing and that sources of perspective like FDL will grind them beneath the wheels of change. Go FDL! Go Blogs! Go Fitz!
If Bush pardons Libby, who does it benefit? Cheney. Does Bush want to help Cheney out? Does Bush even like Cheney? Or would Bush like to throw Cheney under the bus.
Sparkles the Iguana @
77
If I am not mistaken, Marcy has posted a comment on a previous FDL thread and/or at The Next Hurrah stating that Armitage did not divulge Valerie Wislon’s covert status to anyone not authorized to know about it.
emptywheel @ 95
ew: I know your notes aren’t an actual transcript, so I figured I’d ask for your take: Does it seem to you that everyone’s dropped the “she may or may not have been classified” line? It seems like everyone today was just going with “she was classified”.
cathy @ 102
Bush & Cheney are evil twins. Inseparable. They buttress & support e.o.
johnSwifty @ 78
Whaaaaa…..you’re both sushi eaters????????? ;-)
Generally I do not think it is a good idea for the defense to reserve giving an opening statement until the close of the prosecution/plaintiff’s case and wait instead until the beginning of the defense case.
However, when the case is about, and the defense must continue the ploy of, hiding the ball as well as “disguising” the truth, there are advantages to reserving opening statements.
By waiting until the close of the government’s case, Wells would not need to continue standing in the footprint he stamped for himself at the beginning. When courting deceit and in need of flexibility based on which witnesses or what evidence is most compelling, keeping mum until the halfway point has valuable strategic advantages.
Also, by waiting until halftime, Wells could have afforded himself the opportunity to tailor his opening statement. A second half opening would therefore be better suited to the case as developed to that point in the trial, and Wells could therefore make his statement to the jury with a stronger sense of whether it was safe (or necessary) enough to risk putting his shifty client on the stand.
It’s a tough call. No one likes to just sit back and let the prosecutor frame the trial and then wait days to give the jury your theory of the case and your take on the evidence to be presented. Opening statements at the beginning of the trial are the one time during the trial when you know you a have a jury’s attention while at the same time being in one of your best positions to influence their perceptions of the pending proceedings.
Given the opening statement and its subsequent effect, maybe Wells is rethinking that decision.
slainte,
cl
Sparkles the Iguana @ 80
Yeah. And yet, they (i.e. the jury) are asking smart questions, which is a good sign. They don’t seem to be totally bewildered, which is how I suspect I might be if I didn’t know squat about any of this.
Yes, it sure seems to me that the jury isn’t as dumb as Wells tried to argue they were. ;)
johnSwifty @ 93:
I edited after you quoted me. KathieinMN might be joining us also. At one thread yesterday, Balrog and I exchanged comments, then other Minnesotans joined in. kristinejoy, who lives in San Diego, said she might be relocating to MN, and was glad that like-minded folks live here. I told her by all means join us. We’ll organize to get Norm Coleman out in 2008.
clueless at 69 -
Actually, I was asking Stingray that question – what makes him/her say that Libby has charisma. I don’t see an answer – maybe Stingray just had to go back to work. I can sympathize – I’ve been trying to follow liveblogging at work, and it can be pretty confusing (off today, so glued to the screen again.)
emptywheel @ 95
excellent! … at some point (i know you have no free time), i’d love to hear about who (especially bloggers we might know) is in the media room and close by. i didn’t even know kagro x was there!
The Miller/Petraeus link is mentioned in Marcy’s book.
clueless @ 105
I like it, but it doesn’t like my gout! Maybe some ultra hot African is in order! Nothing burns out uric acid like ultra hot food. I don’t know if I can live up to Biodun’s standards, though. He has the advantage of heritage.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 102
I’m not buying that. He told two reporters she worked at the CIA. He doesn’t get a pass just because he didn’t use the word “covert”. I suspect he was not indicted because he (a) didn’t realize she was covert to begin with and (b) threw himself at the mercy of the court when he realized what he’d done. Or at least he was able to make it look that way.
I’m trying to crack the EW code here. Is Beer 30 a trigger to meet for happy hour somewhere?
Biodun @ 108
I’m stocking up on ecomomy sized cans of “Normy Be-gone” as I type!
johnSwifty @ 112
Hi Biodun – what town(s) are your folks from?
Pat_AlexVA @
114
It’s like 0 Dark Hundred, Beer 30 is whatever time you get off work!
Beer 30 is a time not a place.
Balrog, JohnSwifty, and other Minnesotans, have one for me, willya. If someone is thinking about moving to Minnesota, would they PLEASE consider something in the 6th District.
Talked to an active local dem (we met at the first Dean Meetup) who worked with Patty Wetterling, and he says the dem party in this area has given up. And does not think Patty will run again and they cannot come up with one single other person who could take out Michelle Bachmann — even as vunerable as she is. UGH.
GrandmaJ @
119
Take her out, like on a date?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 102
No no. it’s that Armitage at least convinced Fitz that he did not know she was classified. Although the INR memo paragraph notes was classified, that may have related to Wilson’s trip, not Plame. “I had never read a covered person’s name in a memo before.” Armitage said.
neil @
118
…or just a state of mind.
To the Point on NPR (KCRW in Santa Monica) is leading off today with the fact that the Libby trial reveals a sordid relationship between pols and the media that has more to do with self interest than the public’s right to know. Should be interesting.
Christy,
Thanks for the lovely film poster.
Gerard Depardieu, mmmwah!
Biodun @ 108
Arrggh. Someone sent me a weather report for the weekend in MN. I’m a 7th generation Californian, MN winter weather seems like going to the moon to me. I haven’t owned a coat in 10 years.
Raven at 120 — ah, that would be definitely a NO on the date thingy. Take her out of office I meant, but I assume you were being snarky and did not really consider that any reasonable dem would even consider having dinner with her. Besides, she luvvvves D.C. and Bush. So no need to return to MN for any festivities.
cathy @ 101
I’d like to throw Cheney under a bus! (One of those big. long articulated busses. Thump…thump..thump…thump)
GrandmaJ @ 119
Sounds like GrandmaJ for the sixth!
Bachmann had the crassness to come down to my third district to do her fundraising. I’ve got absolutely no qualms about heading up to the sixth to work for you; or anyone else we can tap. She’s a blot on the record of Hubert Humphrey’s legacy. She’s the anti-Minnesota Miracle. She’s just plain wrong in any form (and those little suits her husband dresses her in are crappy too…now I’m just being petty ;-)
tejanarusa & clueless at 69 re: charisma
Sorry, I have nothing to support it except for my observations watching his mannerisms and his body language on TV. He’s definitely a charmer.
As for Cheney, I’ll never forget how he so heavily dominated Edwards in the 94 Veep debates. It was a massacre.
kristinejoy @ 125
Don’t worry, with Gobal Warming, we should have Arkansas weather full time in about 3-5 years. ..about the same time CA will be underwater. It’s all starting to come together for you!
johnSwifty @ 130
Yeah! Oh, wait…nevermind.
Frank @ 10:57 am -
Marcy, are you here? As we look at 50 USC 421, could you please, when time permits, tell us your present perception of what Richard Armitage disclosed? (Marcy – thank you for your 11:02 am response.)
Link to 50 USC 421: (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00000421—-000-.html)
GrandmaJ @ 126
snark-r-us
johnSwifty @ 130
kristinejoy @ 125
Ha! These weenies in North Georgia have the whole damn place shut down because of a little ice and rain. I’ve been here 22 years and it’s still kills me the way they freak out!
Bush prefers tractors to busses.
Live Blogging resumes upstairs.
johnSwifty @ 112
I had a period in my life where I battled gout episodes a few times, including one of my trips to DC. Not fun hobbling thru airports during a gout attack. Also, even tho I’m a meat and taters kinda guy, (…whispering…) I like sushi too!
cathy @ 101
Or could it be that Bush would LOVE to throw Cheney under the bus, but Cheney has already told Bush something to the effect of: “If you throw me to the wolves, I’ll tell EVERYTHING I know about those cocaine parties with the underage interns, because I’ve still got the video of your hillarious “Gyno Exams” on them locked away safely”
Pat_AlexVA @ 114
“Beer 30″ is end of the workday. Go ahead and meet somebody for happy hour, sure!
emptywheel @ 121
So Armitage thought it was okay to divulge classified info from a classified memo to Novak? Just declassifying on the fly, like Bush & Cheney? I don’t know who Valerie Wilson is most pissed at in this whole disaster, but if I were her I would certainly go punch Armitage in the balls.
(here’s the operative post from next hurrah, I think):
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c…..ge_bo.html
Christy Hardin Smith @ 8
Nina Totenberg is great. But then NPR falls down badly on their website coverage. Per Valley Girl at last night’s LateNite:
clueless @ 137
I have found that using a cane has some advantages for beating some sense into my kids (like I could catch them). Also, I find that it is aiding my efforts to turn into a curmudgeonly old man right when I was starting to fear that “dirty old man” was my only course of action ;-}
CHS! I always believed this to be true, but the press has said repeatedly that Bush and Cheney were interviewed but they were not under oath, as if they could not be held accountable for not telling the truth. But they can, right?
stingray @ 129
Um….yeah….it was nothing of the kind. Cheney barely had a pulse, sat there like a hay bale, and couldn’t remember that he and Edwards had met on the Senate floor. Claimed he had never met Edwards before.
Bustednuckles @ 75
You know, I WAS a part of the general public, with a positive allergy to politics…until I began to see what was happening. The more I read, the more worried I got. Now I can’t stop reading…nor do I want to. I’ve come to understand that my duty as a citizen of this country requires me to pay attention and demand oversight.
OMG honey,
You don’t have a clue then what cold is.
My skinny *ss freezes up here in WA state!
LONG JOHNS!!
Thermal underwear, insulated coveralls,wool socks .
Layers, dress in layers, VERY important.
LindyH @ 145
AMEN! (and I mean that in an all-inclusive, non-sectarian way!)
Richmond @ 116
Lagos. I was born there and grew up in NYC. Went there when I was 14. (I’m a US citizen.)
what is ‘Libby’s sonnet,’ please? thx ! m
Belle at 143 — Yes, they do not have to be under oath to be charged with giving false statements to a federal investigator. Perjury, however, requires that you are under oath and giving testimony.
Frank Probst >
Good
Armitage is a died in the wool spook & has a history of doing many nefarious deeds. I am sure he is up to no good here as well. I doubt he`d recognize the truth if it ran over him.
If he claimed the sky was blue I`d want at least two other opinions.
“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact….Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.” – newshog@gmail.com
LandOfTheFree 98
Sounds Great! Wish we had Levin instead of Voinovich.
At least we dumped DeWine & got Sherrod Brown, a HUGE improvement(!)
Also appreciate your diligence in speaking out yourself in community. I see more and more letters to the editor around here (n.e. OH) just BLASTING the administration. That’s what we need, as well as the positive work.
Seems to me Pelosi so far looks savvy and tough enough to carry forth both positive actions and fighting the goons.
Thanks for update; every bit each of us does helps ;->
Christy
Are you using a vaporizer in the Peanut’s bedroom at night? If her congestion clears up after a hot bath, a vaporizer can help.
I keep telling people this and two of my students are now saying I “saved their lives”! (Not true of course!)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 150
Thanks! That clears it right up.
I don’t get it: what difference does it make for Libby to have a motive of not wanting to be the scapegoat versus not wanting to lose his job?
How does that get over the fact that he did lie? Both would tend to provide him a motive to lie so…?
jxl at 153: Yes, we use one pretty frequently for her, and it is wonderful. Thanks!
Christy Hardin Smith @
8
Yupper. Since most folks get their news from evening TV newscasts and drive-time radio, if it didn’t get mentioned on either most Americans will never know about it.
True Watertiger but sometimes I get the feeling that’s a problem for Judge Walton as well – what’s your take on that Christy?
Patsy Stone @ 76
Actually, the saying is that if you use a gun in the third act, you’d better introduce it in the first act … foreshadowing and that highfalutin’ litrary stuff.
BC
Biodun @ 108
Way OT,
I saw in today’s Albuquerque (J)urinal [sic] that Franken has announced for the Democratic Farm-Labor party Senate nomination. The Journal also had a quote from the MN GOoP Party Chaircritter that he was confident that sensible Minnesotans would reject Franken’s politics of scorched earth and division.
BC
Beg to differ–
From Wiki:
The name, Chekhov’s gun, comes from Chekhov himself, who stated that any object introduced in a story must be used later on, else it ought not to feature in the first place:
“One must not put a loaded rifle on the stage if no one is thinking of firing it.” Anton Chekhov, letter to Aleksandr Semenovich Lazarev (pseudonym of A. S. Gruzinsky), 1 November 1889. [verification needed]
“If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don’t put it there.” From Gurlyand’s Reminiscences of A. P. Chekhov, in Teatr i iskusstvo 1904, No 28, 11 July, p. 521.’
“If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it’s not going to be fired, it shouldn’t be hanging there.” From S. Shchukin, Memoirs (1911)
Bargain Countertenor @ 159
Bargain Countertenor @ 160
Ron Carey is a pathetic little dweeb who will never rise above the level of state politics stable hand; particularly since he tied his pony to Tim Pawlenty’s wagon. Take a look at the MN-Goop link. You’ll see, in a single glance, everything that is WRONG with Minnesota politics.
As a small rememberance to Molly Ivins, herewith, all references to Dumbya shall now become shrub. Impeach the Shrub!
Christy,
Kudos again to you and the FDL team for opening this whole process to the public!!! From her new perspective, I’m sure Molly Ivins is cheering.
I appreciate not only the ground-breaking live blogging, but also the commentaries like yours here, and the hundreds of comments on each commentary. True, we’ve got puppies just jumping around and yipping, but we’ve also got a goodly share of bloodhounds and bird dogs on this Lake, patiently sniffing around for tell-tale tracks and signs. I wish that I had the time to read all the live blogs as they come out, but I DO need to honor my employer. So for that reason I appreciate the commentaries that you and others are writing, trying to make sense of it all (including the mini-commentaries of Marcy and other bloggers who help us out with bold print and parenthetical asides.) I need those commentaries as well as the comments by the bird dogs and blood hounds to help me make sense of all the detail.
I’ve been very impatient with Fitz– its taken him 3 years to get here, whereas it took Cox and Jaworski only 16 months. But at last We’re Here! And thanks to the FDL team, the whole country is watching. The heavy traffic on FDL has helped persuade the MSM that there is a market for this kind of news, so because of you, we’re hearing more from THEM!
Thanks so much,
Bob in HI