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Marcy, Jane, Christy!

Swopa -

Now that beer thirty/happy hour buffet has arrived, I have some dynamite news: Group nominates Rush Limbaugh for Nobel

Raw Story link: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0201.html

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 3

Why do I have the impression they’re trying to hide Gore’s nomination?

It’s so totally unusual for our Dear Leader to be right about anything that when he hits one out of the park, it deserves mention.

Nestled in among all of the usual stupid stuff in yesterday’s State of the Economy speech is one tidbit of total truth, about Section 404 of the Sarbanes-Oxley act.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....131-1.html

Specifically, what he said was:

We don’t need to change the law. We need to change the way the law is implemented. America needs a regulatory environment that promotes high standards of integrity in our capital markets,

I’ve been saying for at least two years that the problem with 404 isn’t the legislation itself — it’s the way the big accounting firms have been applying it to fleece their publicly-held clients.

Yeah, I know, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while — but this particular nut is a big tasty one, a Trader Joe’s World’s Largest Cashew kind of nut. But it would have been so easy for him to endorse the K Street line of 404 that I’m frankly stunned that he didn’t.

Glad to see you’re on the right side of this issue, sir. But you still have a lot to answer for.

Stephen Parrish, CPA @
3

Swopa -

Now that beer thirty/happy hour buffet has arrived, I have some dynamite news: Group nominates Rush Limbaugh for Nobel

Raw Story link: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0201.html

Shorter Raw Story: “Rush Limbaugh is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

Hallo Swopa, vielen Dank fuer alles. Despite how ex-Wonketters wish to spin it and FDL, media will never be the same after this. Imagine picking a 1 or 2 min Marcy blurb, trying to throw some image into the more than 60 hours of liveblogging. Please, don’t mention the years of research that went into this effort, nor the sixty hours? of as detailed as possible transcription, with informed comment. give me a break, Anne Marie.

Onward, FDL.

Swopa, you asked for links. The policies of this criminal coup d’etat revolve around controlling energy resources into the next several decades. After three decades at high levels in the windpower industry, i know in which direction we should be aggressive.

Yesterday, an interview with me about windpower was published. i believe many FDL readers would want to see it. Please enjoy, and comment.

someone want to give a go at all the little tid bits we got from todays testimony?

from the Sydney Blumenthal story:Libby, who had written a novel and prided himself on his cultural acumen, began his conversation by saying to Fleischer that what he was telling him was “hush-hush” and “on the q.t.”
So, scooter fancied himself a renaissance guy with literary prowess? Sad, very sad. Especially after reading his seedy little sonnet to Judith Miller about aspens and roots. Barroom stuff!
On the q.t. Scooter knew he was acting like a seedy little gossip monger.

For the time being. I’ll continue to go with Gore.

In honor of the juicy testimony that has come out thanks to all your hard work liveblogging this trial, I thought I would give you a little song…

I Got It From Judy
(with apologies to Tom Lehrer)

I love my friends, and they love me,
In the office of the V. P.
And just because we really care,
Whatever we get, we share!

I got it from Judy,
She got it from Tim.
We all agree it must have been
Novak who gave it to him.

She got it from Scooter,
Who got it from Cheney,
And everybody knows that Dick
Got it from me.

Scooter got it from Cathie,
She heard from Ari,
Who picked it up on Air Force One,
From Dan Bartlett, see!

Ari gave it to John,
By a road in Uganda,
“Wife worked at the CIA?
Haha! Propaganda!”

John got it from Cooper,
Who first heard from Karl.
He threw Libby under the bus,
for a White House Firewall.

Meetings and phone calls and notes,
before the whole Grand Jury row.
But Scooter forgot all about it,
And we’re still wondering how.

Ah, but I got it from Judy,
Or maybe Steno Sue,
Or Millie or Billie or Gillie or Willie,
It doesn’t matter who.

It might have been at the Aspen,
Or at the pub, or in the loo,
And if you will be my friend,
Then I might…(Mind you, I said “might”)…
Give it to you!

Original lyrics here.

Scooter’s motor-mouth was not as finally tuned as he thought it was. The Ego, Oh the Incredible Ego! He and the rest of the fat-heads are going down, down, down into a burning ring of fire but they ain’t coming back!

burnspbesq @ 5

It’s so totally unusual for our Dear Leader to be right about anything that when he hits one out of the park, it deserves mention.

Nestled in among all of the usual stupid stuff in yesterday’s State of the Economy speech is one tidbit of total truth, about Section 404 of the Sarbanes-Oxley act.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....131-1.html

Specifically, what he said was:

We don’t need to change the law. We need to change the way the law is implemented. America needs a regulatory environment that promotes high standards of integrity in our capital markets,

I’ve been saying for at least two years that the problem with 404 isn’t the legislation itself — it’s the way the big accounting firms have been applying it to fleece their publicly-held clients.

Yeah, I know, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while — but this particular nut is a big tasty one, a Trader Joe’s World’s Largest Cashew kind of nut. But it would have been so easy for him to endorse the K Street line of 404 that I’m frankly stunned that he didn’t.

Glad to see you’re on the right side of this issue, sir. But you still have a lot to answer for.

It’s obviously a mistake on the Dim Son’s part.

As nearly as I can tell, an excellent public policy decision rule is this: Ask the Dim Son and his advisors what to do, then do the opposite.

BC

For the time being, I’ll continue with Gore.

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 3

Swopa -

Now that beer thirty/happy hour buffet has arrived, I have some dynamite news: Group nominates Rush Limbaugh for Nobel

Raw Story link: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0201.html

As you might imagine, the folks who nominated Rush appear to have little respect for the rules. According to their press release (link in the RS piece above), they submitted an “unsolicited” nomination. Sadly, the only nominations accepted by the Nobel committee come from those they invite to do so.

I guess the Rush Supporters couldn’t talk Mohamed ElBaradei, Kofi Annan, Jimmy Carter or Amnesty International into nominating Rush officially. Better luck next year!

Who’s in pic? From left to right, Valerie Wilson, Cathie Martin, Matt Cooper? Did they all take a Carnival Cruise together?

bilge @ 11

Priceless!

In the same vein, I’ve had “The Old Dope Peddler” kicking around in my head for the last few days.

Cheney, Rove, Libby etc. are a la carte. I want the entree.

the Nobel Peace Prize has never adequately represented hillbilly heroin users. Why, our local HH support group has a saying (and yes we think of Rush as the Prince of Peace)-

Peace is a substance by which we measure our pain…

Hey, Gavin Newsome just apologized for boinking his campaign manager’s wife. SKANK ALERT!

Oof, Biden is going to be euthanized!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....40172.html

blige@11

That’s inspired! I loved Tom Lehrer. No one like him today. (Mark Russell is a pale, pale imitation.)

Thanks.

mui @ 9

from the Sydney Blumenthal story:Libby, who had written a novel and prided himself on his cultural acumen, began his conversation by saying to Fleischer that what he was telling him was “hush-hush” and “on the q.t.”

Scooter channeling Danny De Vito in
L.A. Confidential? That is way too rich.

perris @
8

someone want to give a go at all the little tid bits we got from todays testimony?

Lots of legal wrangling. My take on the significant parts:

1. The lawyers are no longer bothering to suggest that Plame’s identity might not have been classified. There is still some haggling over “classified” versus “covert”, but no one’s trying to suggest that Plame might have just been a cleaning woman, in which case this would be much ado about nothing.

2. Libby’s in a tight spot because of his opening statement. The claim that he had no motive to lie has bitten him in the ass several times. Fitz has been able to come back with several (You blabbed about a CIA agent. If you weren’t sure of her status, you had an obligation to check. We have your signature on the damn form. You saw a number of articles saying that a crime may have been committed. One of your co-workers saw one of those articles and immediately sought an immunity deal.) Team Libby is trying to exclude a lot of this, on the grounds that it will make Libby look guilty. Fitz’s response was along the lines of, “Well, yes. That’s the point.” The part about Libby being scapegoated has also come back to haunt him, as Fitz now wants to play video of the White House press secretary denying that Libby was at all involved.

3. Fitz may play footage (audio only? video? not sure) of Libby’s grand jury testimony. He may play all of it. I think this is a very strong move on his part. It would be faster to just say, “He’s a goddamn liar!” But the video will make the same point.

“boinking”

Yeah but he said he was SORRY! (Guess she wasn’t that good).

Sparkles the Iguana @
16

Who’s in pic? From left to right, Valerie Wilson, Cathie Martin, Matt Cooper? Did they all take a Carnival Cruise together?

Yeah, there’s a group that’s got a “Lust for Life”. We got a million of them, I tell ya!

Is there a more cynical, calculating, and politically cowardly man on the scene today than McCain… aside from the current occupant of the Oval Office, anyway?

Joe Lieberman.
Mitch McConnell.

One more:

4. Team Libby is going to try every trick in the book to stall the trial. Looks like they’re already trying to call reporters to the stand to ask them about (irrelevant) confidential sources. That’s my guess as to the whole Sanger thing.

AP - The top U.S. commander in Iraq told a Senate panel Thursday that improving security in Baghdad would take fewer than half as many extra troops as President Bush has chosen to commit. Say what!

Murray Waas sez:

For the best account of what went on at the trial today, here is a video presentation by Marcy and Jeralyn– with a far better and more complete account of today’s proceedings that any “professional” reporter. No slight meant to anyone else covering the trial. One advantage they have over newspaper reporters or cable television folks is that they don’t have to compress their stories into fourteen or nineteen or twenty-six inches. Second, they don’t have to limit their video presenations to a minute or a minute and a half. But they also know the case better than most reporters who have covered the story (except for maybe one or two…)

Looking at Matthews and they’re all talking how Hillary has ‘it’ all locked up. I’m getting pissed.

The Artist Formerly Known as Bowtie Tucker today called Fitz ” a lunatic running around destroying peoples’ lives for no good reason.”
_

From Editor and Publisher…

snip

As always, we will base our updates here mainly on nearly minute-by-minute blogging from the courthouse by the women at FireDogLake.com, which has proven extremely accurate so far, along with other bloggers and wire service reports as they come in.

http://www.editorandpublisher......1003540604

Frank Probst @ 24

perris @
8

someone want to give a go at all the little tid bits we got from todays testimony?

Lots of legal wrangling. My take on the significant parts:

[snip]

3. Fitz may play footage (audio only? video? not sure) of Libby’s grand jury testimony. He may play all of it. I think this is a very strong move on his part. It would be faster to just say, “He’s a goddamn liar!” But the video will make the same point.

And it will also help Fitz remind THESE jurors that Irving is accused of lying to THOSE jurors on the grand jury. “They were doing their civic duty, just like you are today, and when the defendant was asked to tell them the truth, he just couldn’t do it.”

Can someone point out to me where Cooper’s testimony “sharply diverged” from his previous article in the text cited by Murray Waas? I’m inclined to trust Murray, and I’m probably just fuzzy-headed from a long day of hitting refresh, but the two versions look pretty much the same to me.

(And Murray, if you’re reading here, put an email address on your damn blog, so I can ask you these things directly!)

I’ve got a Gore ‘08 bumper sticker all ready to go on my car as soon as the weather clears up.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 31

Looking at Matthews and they’re all talking how Hillary has ‘it’ all locked up. I’m getting pissed.

Matthews has room for only one thought at a time in his head, and that one is usually wrong.

This is as opposed to Tucker Carlson who can entertain several thoughts mixed together in his head. These are always wrong.

BobbyG @ 32

The Artist Formerly Known as Bowtie Tucker today called Fitz ” a lunatic running around destroying peoples’ lives for no good reason.”

Oklahoma kiddo @ 31

Looking at Matthews and they’re all talking how Hillary has ‘it’ all locked up. I’m getting pissed.

OKK,

Consider the source and ignore them. At this point in the race, polls are about name recognition. It would be better if they just asked, “Have you heard of X?”

Besides which, Democratic frontrunners at this point in an open campaign don’t generally fare well. Remember that in January of 2001, people were saying, “Bill WHO?”

BC

Oklahoma kiddo @ 31

Looking at Matthews and they’re all talking how Hillary has ‘it’ all locked up. I’m getting pissed.

Fortunately, they have a long history of being wrong about these things. I believe we’re still in the time period where, four years ago, Joe Lieberman was the frontrunner.

burnspbesq @ 23

mui @ 9

from the Sydney Blumenthal story:Libby, who had written a novel and prided himself on his cultural acumen, began his conversation by saying to Fleischer that what he was telling him was “hush-hush” and “on the q.t.”

Scooter channeling Danny De Vito in
L.A. Confidential? That is way too rich.

And Matt Cooper looks just like DeVito.

BobbyG @ 32

The Artist Formerly Known as Bowtie Tucker today called Fitz ” a lunatic running around destroying peoples’ lives for no good reason.”
_

Tucker needs to realize that both of his audience members have given him up.

Frank Probst @ 24:

“Team Libby is trying to exclude a lot of this, on the grounds that it will make Libby look guilty. Fitz’s response was along the lines of, ‘Well, yes. That’s the point.’

Nice summary.
It’s gotten so that when a defense atty says “You can’t let that in! It’s [unfairly] prejudicial!” I just hear that as “that would prove my client’s guilt!”

Debra J. Saunders in her column today says ” If Cheney comes across as heavy-handed and drunk with power, he can share that honor with Fitzgerald” and compares them both to Capt. Queeq. Makes me think that the wingers have already said bye-bye to Cheney. Her best line was….”if..Joe didn’t want his wife outed, he should have kept a low profile”

Yeah, remember that, all you spouses!

Susan Collins (R-Maine) says on Hardball that she doesn’t think Bush will attack Iran. Unless something ‘extraordinary happens’. I fell better now.

I find it to be utterly repugnant that “We The People” have to jump through such crazy legal gobbledy-gook just to get a conviction. I have been the defendant before, and I didn’t get these kinds of considerations for so much as a parking ticket. The fact that Irving get’s them and we, the average citizen don’t, is a travesty.
Scooter, you’re a liar, suck it up and go to prison with honor. You want to play with the big boy’s, then you’re gonna be punished like a big boy- Man Up, you pussy!
P.S. I’ve been drinking tequila shot’s

dipper @
43

Debra J. Saunders in her column today says ” If Cheney comes across as heavy-handed and drunk with power, he can share that honor with Fitzgerald” and compares them both to Capt. Queeq. Makes me think that the wingers have already said bye-bye to Cheney. Her best line was….”if..Joe didn’t want his wife outed, he should have kept a low profile”

Yeah, remember that, all you spouses!

Saunders is the nitwit token conservative at the SF Chronicle

Is there a more cynical, calculating, and politically cowardly man on the scene today than McCain… aside from the current occupant of the Oval Office, anyway?

No.

This has been another edition of “Simple Answers to Simple Questions.”

FDL coverage of the Libby trial has been riveting. I can’t thank all of you enough!

There’s a whole wide world out there. Global Voices asks: “The World is talking. Are you listening?” This great service is a way to begin.

Through Global Voices I’ve become aware of some of the best writers anywhere. Too many recent posts come to mind, but I just loved Unarmed Combat when I read it at Kenyan blogger’s thinker’s room.

Good news

On Democracy Now, Amy Goodman just reported that in Germany 13 CIA agents have been indicted in the Kahled Al Masri case. (renditions)

glad to see that Markos has come around to my position:

“Al Gore - accept no substitutes”

BobbyG @ 32

The Artist Formerly Known as Bowtie Tucker today called Fitz ” a lunatic running around destroying peoples’ lives for no good reason.”
_

Oh, I dunno. Risking a covert agent’s life, and the life of other agents? Destroying the intel capability of the most expert group on the most urgent subject of intel?
Not to mention, destroying the Constitution, turning the whole world anti-American, advocating/condoning torture, supporting the morphing of a president (and in incompetent one, at that) into a king…I could go on, but, seems like a whole bunch of good reasons to me.
Of course, Tucker’s opinions have their usual value…

Sparkles the Iguana @ 20

Hey, Gavin Newsome just apologized for boinking his campaign manager’s wife. SKANK ALERT!

Just want to clarify by “skank” I mean Gavin, not her, though she could be one too. I don’t know her.

The troubling thing is that most Dems polled recently say Hillary is a sure thing.

As of today, I have a 25,919 count indictment awaiting Dick Cheney and his co-conspirators. I would LOVE the opportunity to serve it personally, Gitmo style.

http://icasualties.org/oif/
_

Debra J. Saunders in her column today says…

Who the heck is Debra J. Saunders?

punaise @ 46

dipper @
43

Debra J. Saunders in her column today says ” If Cheney comes across as heavy-handed and drunk with power, he can share that honor with Fitzgerald” and compares them both to Capt. Queeq. Makes me think that the wingers have already said bye-bye to Cheney. Her best line was….”if..Joe didn’t want his wife outed, he should have kept a low profile”

Yeah, remember that, all you spouses!

Saunders is the nitwit token conservative at the SF Chronicle

Ms. Saunders sent me one nasty email a few years ago in response to a criticism I leveled at her. I mean she was out of control. Wish I had saved it.

tejanarusa @ 55

Debra J. Saunders in her column today says…

Who the heck is Debra J. Saunders?

See Punaise @ 46. She’s a real idiot.

Sparkles the Iguana @ 52

Sparkles the Iguana @ 20

Hey, Gavin Newsome just apologized for boinking his campaign manager’s wife. SKANK ALERT!

Just want to clarify by “skank” I mean Gavin, not her, though she could be one too. I don’t know her.

the thing about GAVIN: he makes willie brown look good. hard thing to do.

Froggermarch, hey there!

I wrote a belated response to you in the thread below at #85. It was belated enough that it fell in EPU territory….

Oklahoma kiddo @ 53

The troubling thing is that most Dems polled recently say Hillary is a sure thing.

First of all - it’s early days and she’s got the most name recognition. Secondly - it’s all about what questions are asked and how respondents are surveyed.

Scary matinee-idol publicity shot of Frank Luntz….

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01807.html

punaise @
46

dipper @
43

Debra J. Saunders in her column today says ” If Cheney comes across as heavy-handed and drunk with power, he can share that honor with Fitzgerald” and compares them both to Capt. Queeq. Makes me think that the wingers have already said bye-bye to Cheney. Her best line was….”if..Joe didn’t want his wife outed, he should have kept a low profile”

Yeah, remember that, all you spouses!

Saunders is the nitwit token conservative at the SF Chronicle

D. Saunders is a waste of newsprint

Mabel’s Wig Shack @
19

the Nobel Peace Prize has never adequately represented hillbilly heroin users. Why, our local HH support group has a saying (and yes we think of Rush as the Prince of Peace)-

Peace is a substance by which we measure our pain…

I thought Rush’s position was “Peace Through Oxycontin” an update of “Better Living Through Chemistry” for the 21st century.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 44

Susan Collins (R-Maine) says on Hardball that she doesn’t think Bush will attack Iran. Unless something ‘extraordinary happens’. I fell better now.

Future quote : “No one could have predicted extraordinary things happening which required the US to go to war on Iran.”

Future Future Quote: “Who would have thought that the Bush Administration would manipulate things to create something extraordinary which would precipitate us into an unnecessary and expensive war.”

Sparkles the Iguana @ 61

Scary matinee-idol publicity shot of Frank Luntz….

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01807.html

separated at birth from Robert Smith of the Cure?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 44

Susan Collins (R-Maine) says on Hardball that she doesn’t think Bush will attack Iran. Unless something ‘extraordinary happens’. I fell better now.

Yeah, just like all the big wigs were saying in 2002. And even when Bush and Company claimed to be working through proper UN channels. You BELIEVE these people???

Forgive me, but after 2001 through 2004, I dont trust a thing they say until it comes out in a contract with no loopholes. Saying she doesn’t think Bush will attack unless something extraordinary happens is about as big a loophole as one can get. And the fact that Susan Collins is STILL this naive is incredible.

Cynical? You bet yer ass.

John Powers @ 48

FDL coverage of the Libby trial has been riveting. I can’t thank all of you enough!

There’s a whole wide world out there. Global Voices asks: “The World is talking. Are you listening?” This great service is a way to begin.

Through Global Voices I’ve become aware of some of the best writers anywhere. Too many recent posts come to mind, but I just loved Unarmed Combat when I read it at Kenyan blogger’s thinker’s room.

Ooooh, another person who visits that site! Woo hoo!!!!

Early days? Lets see, Nov, 2008. That’s what? A bit over 21 months from now. Senator Clinton is the DLC choice. Rahm’s choice too. And she has lot of money. And she has Bill. ‘Machine Hillary’ is rolling.

froggermarch @
22

blige@11

That’s inspired! I loved Tom Lehrer. No one like him today. (Mark Russell is a pale, pale imitation.)

Thanks.

I loved Mort Sahl. But then again, he didn’t sing. He just riffed in a jazzy speaking way with a newspaper in one hand and a cigarette in the other.

There’s a lot of stuff that was better “way back when.” And I don’t think it’s just nostalgia talking.

BTW — anybody remember Vaughan Meader and his comedy albums spoofing the Kennedy administration? My sister (darn her!) managed to make off with our family copy of that gem.

punaise @ 50

glad to see that Markos has come around to my position:

“Al Gore - accept no substitutes”

So you trust the judgment of a guy who chose Lieberman as his second in command.

BobbyG @
32

The Artist Formerly Known as Bowtie Tucker today called Fitz ” a lunatic running around destroying peoples’ lives for no good reason.”
_

Tucker: “a lunatic running around destroying peoples’ MINDS for no good reason.”

I think that if Vice testifies, he’ll lie. He has no more respect for the legal system than for Russert. Anyone want to take the other side of this bet?

You want a link?

Breaking News: Impending Terror Plot in Boston

[spew alert]

eCAHNomics @ 72

I think that if Vice testifies, he’ll lie. He has no more respect for the legal system than for Russert. Anyone want to take the other side of this bet?

Not a chance. I’ve read Rise of the Vulcans and certainly know better.

(My apologies on the reference. For some reason, the underline feature won’t stay put)

Sparkles the Iguana @ 70

punaise @ 50

glad to see that Markos has come around to my position:

“Al Gore - accept no substitutes”

So you trust the judgment of a guy who chose Lieberman as his second in command.

Punaise… would you like to handle this one. Or shall I?

Peterr @
17

bilge @ 11

Priceless!

In the same vein, I’ve had “The Old Dope Peddler” kicking around in my head for the last few days.

Great stuff folx! Someone around these threadz mentioned “Let the Eagle Soar” so (in the spirit of our after-work festivities) I canoodled this lame parody… could someone please make it better? :)

=====

The original, written and sung by
“I lost to a dead guy,” aka
John Ashcroft, former A.G. of the USA.

“Let the eagle soar
Like she’s never soared before.
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighty eagle soar.

Soar with healing in her wings,
As the land beneath her sings:
‘Only god, no other kings.’

This country’s far too young to die.
We’ve still got a lot of climbing to do,
And we can make it if we try.
Built by toils and struggles
God has led us through.”

=====

Ode to Arturo Gonzalez, current A.G. of the USA
(or, “It must hurt REAL bad to break the law while appearing to uphold it”)

Legal eagles sore,
Fighting Constitution’s lore
From Gitmo right to the core
Of what makes our hears get tore.

Sore ’cause sealing with your chains
Tries to cover shit for brains
We’ll find our Bell and let it ring –
Let Liberty and Law be King.

This country’s far too young to die;
Fascist boots are marching nigh!
We can win through with the truth,
Just let us count the voting booth!

=====

Love ya all, FDL!

tejanarusa @ 51

Of course, Tucker’s opinions have their usual value…

He did headline a show that was canceled because it was Hurting America, so maybe this goes in the “takes one to know one” file.

Sparkles the Iguana @ 61

Scary matinee-idol publicity shot of Frank Luntz….

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01807.html

Oh. My. God.

Hideous.

And then they give you the option to “Enlarge This Photo.”

Where’s the option to “Obliterate This Photo From Your Memory”?

eCAHNomics @ 72

I think that if Vice testifies, he’ll lie. He has no more respect for the legal system than for Russert. Anyone want to take the other side of this bet?

You’re right that he has no respect for the law.

However, for some reason he tries to make absolutely CERTAIN he won’t have to be under oath.

Swearing to the truth of something must be like daylight to a vampire.

Gore?

Al Gore?

The same Al Gore that made Joe Lieberman a national figure?

Kos wants more of that?!

Why?

eCAHNomics @ 72

I think that if Vice testifies, he’ll lie. He has no more respect for the legal system than for Russert. Anyone want to take the other side of this bet?

That’s what I think. He makes Libby look like an amateur. There is so much documented proof that Cheney lies without breaking a sweat (or moving his lips)

chris @ 80

Gore?

Al Gore?

The same Al Gore that made Joe Lieberman a national figure?

Kos wants more of that?!

Why?

‘cuz he has shown the capacity to learn from his mistakes. please note that he endorsed DEAN for pres in 2004 - not lieberman.

Susan Collins (R-Maine) says on Hardball that she doesn’t think Bush will attack Iran. Unless something ‘extraordinary happens’. I fell better now.
Oklahoma Kiddo
___________________________

maybe in the Gulf of Tonkin?

Long excerpts of an interview with Molly on democracy now today.

If Gore announces he should not wait to name at least a short list of VP candidates.

chris @ 80

Gore?

Al Gore?

The same Al Gore that made Joe Lieberman a national figure?

Kos wants more of that?!

Why?

The Joementum of 2000 was a far cry from the craven sleazeball sellout he became by 2006. Not marvy, but a left-of-centrist with a streak of opportunistic moralism that Al wanted to use in disassociating himself from Bill. Turns out that was a strategic mistake, but the point stands (imho) because Lieberman wasn’t as much of a stinkbomb to the left as he has become since. Now his craven craving for the limelight has led him to resort to prostituting himself to the neocon fringe in order to get elected. Feh.

President Gore in ‘09 is fine.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 84

Long excerpts of an interview with Molly on democracy now today.

If Gore announces he should not wait to name at least a short list of VP candidates.

Yes.

Quick sum-up…Tuesday I attended part of a retreat/conference for We Believe. Couldn’t stay the whole day, because that would have meant driving home on snowy, hilly,unfamiliar roads in the dark. Plus, I had no cell phone reception in that part of Ohio. By the time I was back near a tower, concerned messages from my husband started coming through to my phone, along with a message that my temp project would be starting Wednesday rather than next Monday.

So I’m a bit behind on this trial stuff.

I did, though, take some time to transcribe the “Whitey Gras” bit from last night’s Daily Show. It made me laugh out loud, and after the deaths of both Barbaro and Molly Ivins (not equating the two, but I’m bummed about both), laughter is indeed a good thing.

Hmmm.

Down below, EPU’d at #104 is a post from someone calling themselves “Watching OlbermannWatch.”

He or she states that the president/founder of the Media Bloggers Association, Bob Cox, is the creep who runs that site “Olbermann Watch.”

Did y’all know that?!?

Gore/Kerry?

is this feasible? Considering (imho) they both won their respective contests

1. The lawyers are no longer bothering to suggest that Plame’s identity might not have been classified. There is still some haggling over “classified” versus “covert”, but no one’s trying to suggest that Plame might have just been a cleaning woman, in which case this would be much ado about nothing.

actually, about half of Team Libby’s objections had to do with documents (newspaper articles, mostly) that mentioned that Plame’s job was classified/covert. Fitz wants them in for “motive/state of mind” reasons, and wants the judge to instruct the jury that whether her job was classified or not is irrelevant — but whether Scooter THOUGHT her job was classified can be considered in terms of motive/state of mind.

President Pelosi is very fine, and could happen before the year is over.

Especially with the depth charges dropped during this trial already has produced rotten dead fish floating to the surface as far as the eye can see.

Shorter Wells: “Anything that proves Irving Libby lied like a rug is PREJUDICIAL against my client.”

Look for this word “prejudicial” to be lifted out of the trial and popped out of the mouths of GOP hacks complaining about oversight committee hearings.

S.O.S. from MA @ 85

chris @ 80

Gore?

Al Gore?

The same Al Gore that made Joe Lieberman a national figure?

Kos wants more of that?!

Why?

The Joementum of 2000 was a far cry from the craven sleazeball sellout he became by 2006. Not marvy, but a left-of-centrist with a streak of opportunistic moralism that Al wanted to use in disassociating himself from Bill. Turns out that was a strategic mistake, but the point stands (imho) because Lieberman wasn’t as much of a stinkbomb to the left as he has become since. Now his craven craving for the limelight has led him to resort to prostituting himself to the neocon fringe in order to get elected. Feh.

That, I believe, is right.

Washington kabuki:

NBC News reports that Bush listened to his generals and now the generals, i.e. General Casey must defend their strategy. McCain being real critical. Final weasely caveat: Casey sucking it up for senior Pentagon officials.

The truth is simpler. Bush picked the generals who would follow his strategy from the beginning (think Tommy Franks) to the stand up stand down pantomime (Abizaid, Casey) to the current escalation (Petraeus). It’s been Bush, Cheney, and until recently Rumsfeld, now Gates. Blame them. They’re the ones who set the policy.

Shez @ 92

President Pelosi is very fine, and could happen before the year is over.

Especially with the depth charges dropped during this trial already has produced rotten dead fish floating to the surface as far as the eye can see.

That would work!

Frank Probst @ 24

perris @
8

someone want to give a go at all the little tid bits we got from todays testimony?

Lots of legal wrangling. My take on the significant parts:

1. The lawyers are no longer bothering to suggest that Plame’s identity might not have been classified. There is still some haggling over “classified” versus “covert”, but no one’s trying to suggest that Plame might have just been a cleaning woman, in which case this would be much ado about nothing.

Actually, something even more significant happened here. From Marcy’s paraphrase transcript:

DB How it happened her name and employment got to the media. Trying to find out identities of those participating in disclosing her identity to media,whether they knew it was classified, what their intent was on disclosing information.

Agent Bond confirmed that Plame’s identity and status were, indeed, classified information.

I know, not news to us. But still! This very specifically contradicts the rightwing talking point that Plame wasn’t “really” covert.

She was covert. Her identity and status were classified information. The FBI agent who is now in charge of the investigation has testified to this fact under oath.

Take that, wingnuts!

I would love for Gore to announce that he is running for Pres, but only if Clark would agree to be VP and Webb to be Secretary of Defense.

I’m sorry, I know a lot of people whom I respect have great affection for Al, but to me he and Joementum are cut from the same phony moral hectoring cloth. Maybe Al would never tacitly attack the first amendment through his wife today like he did during the PMRC days (in the process legitimizing a favorite GOP frame), but the fact that he did once, and to my knowledge has never recanted, is a huge red flag for me.

He does angel’s work today as The Man Who Should Have Been President. I don’t think it would be so good if he actually got the job. But that’s just me.

And, honestly, he really does need to be held accountable for Lieberman. That was a mistake that will haunt the party through 2012 at least.

re: cheney testimony…..

if he doesn’t testify, given how many jurors were excused because they said they wouldn’t be able to judge his testimony in an unbiases fashion, expect Walton to be VERY pissed off…

and if Libby doesn’t testify either, that’s it. My guess is that Walton will demand that Libby be remanded to custody the minute a guilty verdict comes through, rather than wait for sentencing—and will give Libby the maximum (with possible time off for good behavior/co-operating with that scrupulous (and scrumptious) prosecutor).

Yep. Somewhere I heard some right-winger put out that line just a few days ago.

Hezbollah is preparing to invade America from Venezuela! Lou Dobbs just told me so.

We have no options but to invade Venezuela. Or we could you the Bush logic and invade Iceland.

-GSD

Al Gore supports melting the terrorists…in Iceland.

For the buffet, and lest we forget, the appeal on the NSA trial is going on in my hometown.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/.....077/COL02/

Bushco is trying to argue that, since they just happened to notice the Democrat Congress in da house and withdrew this whole idea of going around FISA let’s just faggeddaboudit and let bygones be bygones. Not flying, it seems, though two of the three judges were appointed by Bushes.

Oh, and Mrs K-8: thanks for shouting out last thread on my little “Bond–Stirred, not shaken” remark. I’ve missed you, too. I hope your health is better and I’ll be seeing you around the lake a lot in the coming, interesting weeks. I’m working late trying to finish a presentation. Something–can’t imagine what–has kept me from it all day!

Lastly, count me in for Gore in ‘09. His past choice of Lieberman as V.P. may actually help him in the general election without, you know, actually sticking us with Das Lieberboot living in the Naval Observatory (as appropriate as that might seem for a man who SO needs introspection!)

chris @ 99

I’m sorry, I know a lot of people whom I respect have great affection for Al, but to me he and Joementum are cut from the same phony moral hectoring cloth. Maybe Al would never tacitly attack the first amendment through his wife today like he did during the PMRC days (in the process legitimizing a favorite GOP frame), but the fact that he did once, and to my knowledge has never recanted, is a huge red flag for me.

He does angel’s work today as The Man Who Should Have Been President. I don’t think it would be so good if he actually got the job. But that’s just me.

And, honestly, he really does need to be held accountable for Lieberman. That was a mistake that will haunt the party through 2012 at least.

agree wrt to the big red flag. on the other hand, no other (with the exception of feingold) has argued so well or so early for constitutional protections and against the imperial presidency.

no easy answers, and i’m certainly open to better choices. but none of t