
I consider this to be a positive development (via Carpetbagger):
I’ve often thought there should be some kind of consequence for Fox News’ more ridiculous behavior. Apparently, I’m not the only one.
These are chilly days on Capitol Hill … and on the campaign trail for Fox News journalists — at least when they’re anywhere near Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).
Sources tell The Sleuth that the Obama camp has “frozen out” Fox News reporters and producers in the wake of the network’s major screw-up in running with the erroneous Obama-the-jihadist story reported by Insight magazine.
“I’m still in the freezer,” one Fox journalist said, noting that the people at Fox “suffering the most did nothing wrong.” (It was “Fox and Friends” host Steve Doocy who aired the Insight magazine piece, which reported that operatives connected to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) found out that Obama, as a child, was educated at a Muslim madrassah in Indonesia.)
Another Fox journalist called the network’s airing of the story “unfortunate” for the network’s journalists who have to cover Obama and who are being adversely affected despite not being involved in the incident.
Aw. Cry me a goddamn river. Those poor, poor Pox News correspondents. How dare those mean ol' Obama people strike back in the face of what was clearly a paper-thin, double-dealing, vicious personal attack (which Fox then turned around and tried to blame on the Hillary camp). What are they thinking? It's not like Fox is nothing but a propaganda tool for the Republican Party, right?
Oh, no, wait.
It’s difficult to feel sorry for Fox News’ team.
I'll say.
Whether the individual correspondent assigned to Obama’s campaign was directly responsible for the bogus madrassa story or not, it’s still Fox News. What are the chances that the reporting on his campaign will be fair? And if those chances are small, why give the network precious time?
It may seem petty to punish the network, but I like this approach. Indeed, if Fox News is basically an ideological tabloid, along the lines of the National Enquirer, why play along and treat it as a legitimate news source? Why not punish irresponsible conduct?
Indeed. I think all Democrats should boycott Fox News. Or if they do talk to Fox, make sure to get in a dig or two at their utter lack of objectivity and their willingness to spin stories out of whole cloth as long as they benefit the GOP. I've seen some excellent push-back from (of course) Big Dog in his interview with that little mewling, puking hairball Chris Wallace, Barney Frank, and even Barbara Boxer. I believe that any Democratic or left-leaning pundit who says anything at all to Fox News should make it abundantly clear how contemptuous they are of Fox's journalistic standards (such as they are). The administration sock-puppets who host and staff the programming certainly aren't shy about showing their irrational hate and prejudice toward anything that isn't so red-state that it's momma and daddy are siblings. Sensible Dems should by all means return the favor.
What has been Fox's response to the Obama camp's decision to put them in Time Out?
A Fox News spokesperson told the Post that it’s in Obama’s interest to change his mind. In reference to Obama’s campaign advisor, Robert Gibbs, the FNC media flack said, “[P]erhaps Mr. Gibbs should reconsider that ill-advised strategy given his candidate is trailing by 20 points in the polls.”
In other words, "Nice candidacy you've got here. Be a shame if anything…'happened' to it."
Yeah, well, that's mighty tough talk from a network whose ratings are dropping like an Evangelical preacher's pants at a gay hooker convention.
In the week and a half since the election, the numbers have settled somewhat, and Fox is back to number one. But there is no denying the trend: CNN, and now third-place MSNBC, are steadily gaining in share, and Fox is, well, not. It's still the leader, but even before the election it was showing signs of slippage: Its October 2006 numbers reflected a 2% drop in total day and a 9% drop in primetime. CNN was up 15% in total day and lost only 1% in primetime — while underdog MSNBC enjoyed a double-digit jump on both fronts with a 34% leap in day and a 15% hike in primetime, the only network of the three to post gains.
Die, Fox News, die. Our nation will be so much smarter and better informed for it.
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Molly!!
Fitz 4 ever!
Goddamn, I loved Molly Ivins. May God tenderly embrace her soul at Heaven’s gates tonight.
Oh, and my contempt for Michelle Malkin, Joe Lieberman, and Chris Wallace will never subside. In fact, even if you strike it down, Lord Vader, it will grow more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
TRex @ 3
I don’t spend much time worrying about how God will treat the truth-tellers. She’s in.
Saw the title, and thought it was a gay/lesbian lament about the one that got away.
Damn! Straight! I coulda sworn . . .
Great Thread TRex & I hope the only “Faux Democrat” to appear on the Fox Noise Channel will be LIEberman from now on!!
“That mewling, puking hairball . . .”
Love the Shakespeare, TRex (though I don’t recall the hairball part . . . )!
Ewe. Ewe. Dam. Sheeple.
I actually laughed out loud for this one. Nicely said :)
oregondave @ 8
TRex is known for his creative memory. Or, now he is, anyway.
oregondave @ 7
I am guessing that Shakespeare didn’t have a cat. Otherwise I’m sure he would have included it.
TRex, I always thought you were an animal lover. (No, not like THAT….) I’m concerned that the photograph illustrating your post harmed an innocent ewe. No animal lacking an opposable thumb, who therefore can’t change the channel, should EVER be exposed to Pox News. Shame. Shame. Shame… I am SO disappointed…
Soylent Fox is sheeple!
EvilDrPuma @ 5
Actually by those standards Trex has a place reserved already(but no need to use it anytime soon). Molly would probably enjoy very much the the wit of the 60 Footer!
As this story gets out among democratic voters, I can envision a different scenario than the one laid out by the Fox News spokesman.
Day one: Obama gets a bump, from Dems who are delighted to see someone stick it to Fox.
Day two: Hillary gets nervous, looking at that bump, but can’t decide whether to follow suit or not.
Day three: Edwards stands up to defend Obama, kicks Fox off the campaign bus, and gets a bump from the Dems who aren’t keen on Obama and like a Dem who sticks up for other Dems, even if he’s running against them.
Day four: Hillary, now really nervous, avoids the press altogether for a day.
Day five: Richardson stands up to Fox, and adds his own Hispanic twist by dissing them in Spanish over both Obama and their wingnut coverage of immigrant issues – big bump out west for the Gov.
Day six: Hillary finally gets the memo, and joins the chorus along with Biden, Kucinich, and the rest of the cast of thousands in refusing to take questions from Fox reporters.
And on the seventh day they rested.
“Fox, nice network you’ve got here . . . be a shame if anything ‘happened’ to it . . .”
Marion in Savannah @
13
Um, Marion, the sheep is only in danger from Falafel Bill if she turns around.
TRex @ 12
It’s clear, though, that he had a dog: “Out! Out, damned Spot! Out, I say!”
And quite the disciplinarian, apparantly . . .
Peterr @ 16
They can always get McCain, Brownback, Tancredo and the rest of that soooo inspired ilk.
Peterr @ 16
Looks like you’ve got Hillary’s number.
Marion in Savannah @ 12
Worry not, dearest. I ran this by some Right Wing photoshop experts and they assured me that this is a mock-up.
TRex @ 21
I was concerned that it was actual animal abuse.
Anchor Baby is attacking Lara Ingram now. She really has no clue…
Kelven @ 22
Really? A Reich Wing cat-fight?! Meeeeee-OW!
Or do you mean Lara Logan?
The cat will mew, and dog will have his day. (yrs, will)
Let’s give Olbermann a bit of love and just start calling it “Fox Noise” on a permanent basis. It has such a nice ring to it, doncha think?
Not sure Biden’ll still be in the race by Day Six, but I like the chronology. Let’s have a Foxcott, Democratic Presidential Wannabes!
TRex @ 21
It was made with a black lab and a whole shitload of cotton balls.
TRex @ 24
DOH! – yeah that’s what I meant…
I love it when a Trex pelts FOX. After all we rabid lambs are no sheer suckers.
EvilDrPuma @ 20
You know, in some ways I think she’s got some good stuff to say, but she’s afraid to let it out. She got burned so bad in the health care policy stuff at the beginning of Bill’s presidency that I think she’s gunshy about pushing too much, too fast, and so ends up looking like she’s poll-driven or afraid to take a stand.
But I could be wrong. Wouldn’t be the first time. I’m going to be really curious to see how she handles the whole “frontrunner” thing.
It’s going to be a fun campaign season, and I look forward to hearing from all the candidates as I sort out my thinking.
Pass the popcorn.
EvilDrPuma @ 28
hehe. Oh, EDP, I apologize for my “downer” comment about Cambridge the other eve. I thought about it later, and regretted it. If that’s what you want, I hope you get it.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 29
Fleece Navidad!
Or something.
This post is too funny. Especially love the picture. Where’d it come from? The pox freeze out may be the 1st “political” thing my junior Senator has done that I approve.
Heads up NPR is covering the bloggers covering the Libby Trial.
TeddySanFran @ 27
Beats having the Fox-trots, which is what you get after watching too much of their Noise.
Valley Girl @ 32
Don’t worry about it; I actually appreciated the opinion. My mileage may vary, or maybe it won’t.
In any case, I expect to know whether I get the interview late in February. Keep your fingers crossed.
Ooooh….oooooh….ooohhh…anchor baby….
-GSD
Charlie Rose just mentioned that in France political commercials are not allowed on television.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 38
That would pretty much take care of Faux News right there.
Was anyone else surprised that Faux News had reporters covering Obama in the first place? I mean, if they had people there with Obama, why didn’t one of them just say, “We’re about to run with a story claiming that you were educated in a fundamentlist Islamic training camp. Would you care to comment on that?”
TRex @
33
like, have a warm birthday …….
Cats, dogs, sheep, foxes . . . we got The Crass Menagerie here. Say, maybe that’s an apt term for the FOX crowd . . .
GSD @ 37
imagine Eartha Kitt …..
If Senator Clinton waits too long to boycott Fox Noise, it may appear like her campaign really did have something to do with the Obama/madrassa thing…
Which is worse? Faux Noise morning guy Stephen Douchebag and John Gibberish?
Or rant radio’s Rush Limbaugh and Falafel O’Reilly shilling books and newsletters for the troops…for a price?
We compose…you decide.
If the White House could try to freeze out Helen Thomas, surely the Dems could stand up to Fox. Not that it did the WH any good with Helen, mind you, but the notion of candidates and officeholders refusing to deal with certain media outlets is not exactly new.
EvilDrPuma @ 36
I will keep my fingers crossed. Actually, I was in a difficult situation in Cambridge. I was living with someone I met the summer before I went there- I already had my Cambridge gig in place, and met this Welshman (who was also going back to Cambridge) when were both “Grass” fellows at MBL. The deal was, he was planning to return to the US asap. But, turned out not, once he got back to the UK. So, what I had initially thought would be a limited 3 year tour turned out to be the possibility of “Cambridge forever”. That did not work. I know that the Americans (I assume you are such) who were in Cambridge as a “stop-off” in their academic careers really enjoyed the experience.
Peterr @
6
My one and only ewe?
HeirofPatriots @ 34
Yeah, and NPR manages to get it wrong. To wit:
And when they do mention (and quote from) Marcy’s coverage, they never mention her name. How poor is that? They give Dickerson more than a nod . . . but Marcy? Nada.
oregondave @ 49
Seems to me that there’s a word for that…something starting with a “p” that I kick students’ asses for if I catch them doing it.
Peterr @
31
Inside of every DLC democrat is a true progressive screaming to get out.
Beautiful post, beautiful thing somebody finally saying fuck you sideways you fucking fox fucks. Damn does this befit Molly. God I am heartsick but she is smiling. Beautiful job Molly. You leave an army.
Oregondave,
You’re right about Marcy. That’s not professional way to quote someone.
We can ask if the Corrections and Ombudsman will look into it.
(Sorry to prove my ignorance, but I don’t know who Robert Cox is.)
Goodnight everyone.
Eureka Springs, AR @
38
Good idea!
EvilDrPuma @ 50
Dr.E- hope you saw my extended explanation above. Oh, the “P” word. Plagiarism – took me the longest time to learn how to spell that- and I had to use a memory trick- giar = liar. And, occasion (not occassion) (don’t want any asses at my occasion).
Colbert had a comment last week about the joy of “watching Steve Doocy feeding a warmed banana to a monkey”….Fucking funny.
-GSD
Frank Probst @
40
On the other hand, the one person at Fox most likely to know that the story was a piece of crap from Day One is the reporter covering Obama.
Producer: “OK, we’ve got this story on Obama’s Islamic education. Go get a reaction quote on camera for us.”
Reporter: “You’ve got to be nuts. I mean, I’ve been to the guy’s church with him. I’ve heard him talking to church choirs, I went with him to that conservative evangelical church thing a couple months ago . . . the guy is a Christian! Whoever gave you this story sold you a piece of crap!!”
Producer: “Just go ask for a reaction.”
Reporter: “Hell no.”
Even if it didn’t go down like that, right now that reporter is probably the most relieved guy at Fox: “Thank God I don’t have to go up and apologize every day for the story those idiots in the studio ran.”
Valley Girl @ 55
I did read your comment; sorry to sit on it, but no reply leaped into my brain. You’re right, it’s a different situation, but it might not have much effect on how friendly you thought the locals were. We’ll see; I may be more introverted than you, so it might not even make much difference.
As for the NPR thing–that really pisses me off. Is it really too much to ask that our media show some awareness of intellectual ethics?
Frank Probst @ 40
If they were an actual news organization, that would be a no-brainer. But they couldn’t be bothered even to call someone on the ground and confirm the story, so it’s pretty obvious that’s not what they are, even if people who work for them call themselves “reporters.”
Dr.E. Total introvert here. Extrovert only under duress. fwiw.
I found the actual quote:
One can only imagine what might have been warmed in this mighty chamber. Maybe Sean Hannity nuking a hot pocket. Maybe Alan Colmes reheating his mug of gruel. Or Steve Doocy softening a banana so he can feed it to a chimp in a top hat. There it is, the memento of a magical evening preserved forever on this DVD.”
-GSD
I think The Carpetbagger may have libeled the National Enquirer!
Valley Girl @ 60
Okay. Oh, and I am an American, but only on paper these days.
Frank Probst @
40
But that would ruin EVERYTHING!
And yes, I was surprised that they’ve got anyone on the campaign at all.
I just went and read the NPR article .
I don’t think the issue is plagiarism.
More like, it disses FDL by implying that the coverage is frivolous.
~~”Liveblog” commentaries can be snarky. (”Now she’s got a pissed look on her face,” the writers of Fire Dog Lake noted when describing former New York Times reporter Judith Miller on the stand). ~~
~~The writers at Fire Dog Lake keep their site updated throughout the day, offering a playful mix of colorful details and inane minutiae — such as this commentary, when reporter Judith Miller took the stand.
“Judy back. Looks like she’s doing breathing exercises, pouring herself water. Got out of chair and is now back. Gets more water. Thanks person who brings more. Looking around cautiously. Closes eyes. Breathes. Breathes out. Looking straight foward. Head darts nervously. Staring forward. Shifts in chair. Looks toward Libby’s team? Looks towawrd lawyers. Adjusts blouse. Looks at lawyers again.”
This particular post inspired yet another popular blog, Wonkette, to question the utility of having bloggers in the courtroom. The jury’s still out on that one.~~
THAT should be the subject of any complaints.
Yeah, well, that’s mighty tough talk from a network whose ratings are dropping like an Evangelical preacher’s pants at a gay hooker convention.
That is classic.
TRex,
Agreed. You know what I’d really like to see? Everyone on the good team just ignore FOX. No decent people on the tube, no Colbert making a fool of O’Reilly, no “Worst Person in the World”, no blogs discussing their trash, nothing. No responses to their dribble at all. Dissappeared.
I’m going to go have a talk with the people at NPR this weekend. They don’t know it yet, but I’m about to inform them that their blog coverage sucks.
TRex @ 68
Fair enough, since it does. Gee, I’ll bet I could pick out one or two brief clips from any given NPR program and use them to make public radio look completely irrelevant and undeserving of attention, too.
TRex @ 68
speaking of which, did they ever fill the “blogger” position? (edit the blogger “position”)
NPR — whatever. They give credence to Clarice Feldman, who insists that that the first world trade center bombing was planned by Iraqi agents and Fitzgerald was wrong for being the first justice official to indict Osama and throw the Blind Sheik in jail. And then Tom Pierce snarks on firedoglake. **Eye roll**
Sigh. No wonder we are in this mess in Iraq – this is your ‘liberal’ media at work. But remember, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, and they they fight you, then you win.
I think that sheep is among the 8% of sheep who are sexually attracted only to Bill O’Reilly.
Hey TRex, can we deliver a “Maryland Moment” to NPR?
With Hannity, Doocy and O’Reily, Fox Noise has a formidable lineup of Right Wing apologists. They fool some of the people all of the time. Those are the people who want to be fooled, who want to live in a make believe world, waiting desperately for their American dream to materialize.
It is just recently, (say since about November 2006,) that even the Right Wing starts to realize that they are being fed a load of crap, from Iraq to Iran, from Clinton to Obama. Here is to more and more pundits and correspondents realizing how they have been duped and pushing back against the propoganda!
Obama deserves support for this decision. Thanks TRex for bringing this to our attention. I for one had not heard this news.
been wondering about a few issues during our snowstorm.
Any news on dartmonk project?
I have been wondering about the consequences of this move for early primary votes in so many states in such a small period of time. It appears big money candidates will benefit far more than voters. They will need more money earlier but spend much more time just running against the other party. It’s good for the “Hillarys” but is it good for the party?
Don’t know if anyone (redshift maybe?) has run across an explanation for Webb (or even Hagel) voting against Dodds proposal last week.
I mentioned last night the several month late NIE that Jane Hardin was asking for before the election. It still has not been produced. Will Bushco wait until Negroponte is out (because he wont write what they want him to) and the UN sanctions/ deadline with Iran is upon us?
Maybe FOX will get right on these topics since Obama denies them real faux news…
From the post title, I thought it might involve something about the percentage of the sheep population that is gay.
p.s. this is just one FDL post, a blast from the past about the “Maryland Moment”. here
I’m kind of wishing that Wes Clark leaves Fox. I appreciate his willingness to take them on on their dime, but I think his affiliation with them sort of taints him.
I see that the defense has subpoenad Jill Abramson….expect the trial to be extended by a couple weeks. Abramson is a sloooooow talker. Marcy’s fingers will get a well-deserved rest.
So that’s why they would call her.
-
Sparkles the Iguana @
79
I wonder how much her testimony will contradict Judy’s. Does anyone know if she testified in the GJ?
Frank Probst @ 40
I don’t think they were covering Obama. I thought they just picked up the story from Insight and ran with it without checking it. Then of course CNN sent a reporter to Indonesia to actually check out the school, and the editor of the Insight website defended himself by complaining that they didn’t have the budget to send a reporter to Indonesia. (We don’t have CNN’s budget, how could you possibly expect us to get it right??) Still, Insight is sticking by its story, amazingly.
I thought TRex’s picture might have been Mutton Jeff Gannon.
TRex @ 81
Her testimony will directly contradict Judy’s. I don’t know if she testified at the GJ.
Any time you write about Fox News, “journalists” should have mandatory scare quotes.
Rushton says
January 31st, 2007 at 10:08 pm
I’m kind of wishing that Wes Clark leaves Fox. I appreciate his willingness to take them on on their dime, but I think his affiliation with them sort of taints him.
Wes Clark will be on Hardball Friday. Actually it might be coverage of a speech(s) of his etc as opposed to him being live, since his Fox Noise deal limits his cable appearances.
Dude.
Check it out.
We’re about to get whomped.
‘Lo everyone. Back from a two day sick stint. Yay for combined nausea and abdominal pain. Ugh.
Glad to see someone getting a clue and telling Fox to piss off. Definitely needed for that useless noise maker of a news channel.
Did the NYT correct that article where they called Fitzgerald Fitzpatrick? I can’t find it online.
EPU’d – credit where credit is due (Biden tag):
punaise @ 116
TRex – You might like this site for weather info.
imo, it’s far more accurate than weather.com.
Punaise!
Valley Girl @ 65
now that is just rude. marci did such a great job explaining judys demeanor. it was so interesting and funny. wonkette is just jealous
Eureka Springs, AR @ 91
Oooooooh, they’ve got the pretty maps.
TRex @ 92
hey, Trex! I gotta go back up and read your post now….
Agreed. Marcy did an amazing job of conveying that Judy was doing the whole quivery Blanche DuBois bit for the court. That’s exactly the sort of thing we DON’T get from the Washington Post and NPR.
Fuck em. All the energy, all the zeitgeist, all the cultural momentum is with us. If big media won’t do its job properly, then we’ll be more than happy to do it for them.
Hell, we’re doing it for free already.
oops in SF:
yessir, pretty maps and no ads.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 98
Oooooh! No ads!! Of course, I didn’t notice until you pointed it out.
Sometimes I’m such a moron on the computer. My brother’s all, like, “Why are you doing it that way? It takes twice as many keystrokes.”
Of course, I instantly feel the need to respond to him in the voice of the French waiter from Monty Python’s “The Meaning of Life”, “Fahk yeu! Peess off!”
Eureka Springs, AR @ 75
I don’t have any inside information, but here’s my take, based on Webb’s appearance on Countdown that night or the next, where he stated specifically that he was in favor of the non-binding resolution, but only as the first of many steps.
1. Dodd’s proposal wouldn’t be veto-proof, and probably wouldn’t even pass the Senate, since Lieberman, at least, would vote against it. (There are issues where it’s politically useful to get a veto on record, but since Bush’s Cheney-you attitude on the war is well known, arguably this isn’t one of them.)
2. It was important strategically to get as many Republicans on record as possible against the surge, and especially John Warner, because it shifts the “safe” position for them.
Combining these two, I can see an argument that this is part of a political strategy for building the Republican support that will be needed to end the war with a veto-proof vote. Contributing to this will be the contractor-fraud hearings, the hearings on how extended deployments and stop-loss are breaking the military (someone’s announced those, but I’ve forgotten who), etc., which are just getting started.
Anyway, that’s my guess.
I can’t wait for the day that the last American soldier comes home from Iraq. It makes me kind of want to cry just thinking about it.
It’ll happen some day won’t it?
TRex—it sure will…because we can’t stop until it does.
Punaise—thanks for the earlier nitrous comment…it was just what I needed at that particular moment.
[shuffles in with teddy bear] Daddy I can’t sleep.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 91
New maps? Shiny.
RBG @ 103
better blogging through chemistry….
OK, egregious, but just until the next commercial. :~)
God willing
Sparkles the Iguana @ 89
They fixed it.
Online, look below the fold in the section called “Washington.” Feels like they’re burying this one on page 27.
punaise @ 107
[wanders sleepily over and sits down on the couch]
TRex @ 101
See that’s the problem. Those of us who understand the problem can’t bear to think about it, and nearly everyone else just doesn’t think about it. How to split this difference?
Say TRex when ya coming to DC?
damn Googles put a wet blanket on my delusions of having created a neologism:
“blurking” = blog lurking
TRex @ 87
I thot you meant the blog, like a denial of service. Speaking of which we need to quietly get folks to reduce commenting at peak times to lessen our vulnerability. Pass this note around, ok?
punaise @ 112
There, there. We needed a different word anyway, this one is too close to Christy’s ‘blergh.’ Our lurkers deserve better than to be associated with blergh.
Punaise, have I told you lately how brilliant you are and how amazingly lucky we are to have you here?
And how’s it going on the employee gap, you interviewing yet?
It is remarkable how fast FOX and the GOP are sinking. Their fading claim on morality is highlighted by their frontrunners for 2008, divorcees McCain, Guliani and Gingrich. It’s also hilarious, like in TRex’s html link in the latenight post:
dropping like an Evangelical preacher’s pants at a gay hooker convention.
I didn’t know whether the link was going to take me to Fox’s ratings dive or tomorrow’s news about the next Bush pioneer in a clerical collar about to enter secluded treatment. Or both.
aww, shucks, egregious, this is probably the only place that’ll induge me anyway….
____
staffing: it’s going to take a few weeks to find the right person (craigslist, cull the resumes, phone interview to weed out the whackos, then face-to-face interviews).
another great post TRex. Good for Obama on this issue.
the flocks of Pox News viewers: the sheep of state
Redshift – Thanks for your take on that question. It makes sense in a horrible way. My snark side just wants to say force a vote and just keep forcing a vote until…the last soldier comes home. (tear)
The patience of progressives (move over JOB)
If you haven’t had a chance to read any reviews of Marcy’s book yet, I thought this Amazon review nailed it quite succinctly.
egregious,
even though I left here last night before you gave your advice, I followed it – J.S. Bach’s F# minor prelude and fugue from WTC #1.
TorquemadaJennifer, my physical therapist told me she’s going to tell the doctor I’m way ahead of schedule and that I might take the sling off all day long.Look! Over there! It’s another Democrat with a fully functional spine!
See? It’s Obama. *sigh* That’s the kind of manly-man I just swoon over.
Note to all you other Dems-more of this, please.
Ed*ard Teller @ 120
My mom says PT stands for Pain and Torture.
People that do what I say even before they hear me…I like it :)
RBG @ 119
succinct and true. wonder who could have written that? my copy is supposed to come in Friday.
Ed*ard, that’s good news. Sounds like you got a good physical
terroristtherapist.And Marcy’s book is up to #388! Go, Marcy!
(Yes, mine’s been on order for a while now.)
punaise @ 116
What?? We are keeping you safely hidden so everybody else doesn’t steal you away.
You’re our treasure!
mum’s the word in these quarters
100 foot waves at Maverick’s (Half Moon Bay) a few years ago. awesome.
TheOtherWA @ 124
She’s way cool. She’s a musician – singer and pianist. Big heart. We talk as much as possible between the times I’m supposed to let my arm go limp so she can torque (as in you-know-who-amada).
TRex—is it a full moon yet? Cuz it’s sure feels like one.
RBG @ 130
Friday @ 0547 Zulu. That will be Thursday at 2047 for Seattle.
Ed*ard Teller @
131
Cool…so what phase will it be in Seattle on 3/21?
Want to check the Phases of the Moon?
Don’t look at me like that, we’re moonbats, it’s a natural, perfectly normal thing to check everyday. *g*
Congratulations fdl on 26,000,000 site visits!
————Geeks R Us
RBG @ 130
I resemble that comment.
egregious @ 135
So RBG wasn’t commenting on my showing up, eh?
check this out:
Al Gore nominated for Nobel Peace prize
works for me. accept no substitutes.
punaise @ 137
my wonder at Al Gore’s ability to prove F. Scott Fitzgerald wrong knows no bounds.
egregious @ 136
Full moon on Friday.
TRex @ 139
In Georgia, 13 minutes before midnight, Thursday. But Friday works.
RBG @ 119
When I looked this afternoon, the book was at about #410. Now: Amazon.com Sales Rank: #383
Nonetheless, I could swear I’ve been feeling it today. All emotional.
Still, I rode it out.
TRex, I think that’s because of Molly. The universe developed a crack.
‘Cause it’s crazy times doggies. Joe Bidens exploding right and left in Boston, 75 U.S. Navy roboships cruising within 100 miles of the Straits of Hormuz waiting for another Iranian airliner full of kidnapping experts to cross their sites, Fitz throwing the wrench into his own case in return for a Supreme Court seat……
God Bless Miss Molly Ivins.
Alright then, bedtime. The sleet is pouring down outside.
Good night, everybody.
‘night, TRex.
Don’t forget to change the kitty litter box.
Ed*ard Teller @ 144
Sorry but I have to challenge that about Fitz.
I think he is a man of great integrity. The idea that he would do anything to hurt this case for personal gain is out of the question.
Goodnight, Trex and all Firepups. Sweet dreams.
eg,
I DO hope you’re right. Reading the live blogging today, I sensed that Marcy was trying to grasp the considerably different ambience in the courtroom today, and she never quite got it down. I don’t know if Jeralyn was there with her or what, but something happened today with Fitz, and my “guess” was throwing the possibility out for exploration, nothing more.
eg – outta here to play some Bach. RBG is moderating my last reply.
MOLLY
Naturally TRex left before I could tell him what a great post this was. I’ve been getting here late for threads for weeks now.
I think it is so cool that Obama is ‘freezing out’ Faux noise. I wonder what would happen if everytime they dissed a dem, that person just started freezing them. Or if the dems would just get together and write Faux and tell them if they didn’t clean up their act the party would boycott them. I can’t see a downside but it’s late and my brain isn’t in full-speed ahead mode.
I think that after we get our books we should all go and write good reviews for Marcy.
Any politician or person wise enough to “freeze out” FNC — responsible for the divisive partisanship that now infects our country will get my full and complete support. The Fox News Channel has committed and omitted defamatory statements that are false allegations of fact (and egregious crimes against humanity) constituting slander per se when published orally and libel per se when written. Hiring narcissistic pundits spewing intolerance, racism, and misogyny over the airwaves maliciously politicizes the issues and enflames the passions of the ignorant. FNC’s acts of subversion have in fact manifested support of a fascist Christian theocracy to the determent of democracy that has shackled America’s free press. And they have viciously fought to consolidate the news, creating a media oligopoly that scandalously entertains the public and mendaciously politicizes issues. All politicians who consider themselves moral, intelligent, and compassionate peoples should shun FNC or be deemed immoral, irrelevant and unworthy traitors. I beseech you; boycott FNC as they have no intention of evolving beyond superficial needs for power and personal financial gain at the expense of the common good.
TRex, thanks for the fun and insightful post… and for keeping the spirit of Molly Ivans alive. Her book on Shrub clued me in to what a jerk he was, and would continue to be, back in 2000, and had my laughing in comiseration.
And Obama’s response to Fox, along with his great responses to Biden today, is winning me over to his very smart, capable campaigning. That is the way to turn your opponents jabs against them, like a master martial artist. Just the right tone in response to Biden. Compare this posture to the weak and slow ways Kerry and McCain responded to Dubya’s attacks and Dukakis responded to his father’s.
The Democrats need the smart chutzpah that Obama and Webb are showing.
BTW, as I type “Dubya” I seem to recall that I first heard this term from none other than Molly Ivans!
I’m still chuckling at this line from an earlier thread:
pseudonymous in nc says:
“And he loves the Sunday blowhardfests far too damn much: if it’s not Meet the Biden, then it’s Face The Biden, This Biden, Fox Biden Sunday or Late Biden With Wolf Blitzer”
Leslie Pool @ 151
But… how will I keep up on the Treasonous DA in the Duke Lacrosse Rape case? Or, what will happen to Michael Devlin? Or keep up on the explosions at the refineries in Texas? Or know if Natalie Holloway is still missing?
That reminds me, btw. Remember election night when the returns kept coming in for the Democrats – who was it that was watching Fox Noise because it was so entertaining to see them all down in the mouth about it. Was that Suzanne? I still get a chuckle out of that.
Interesting article by Jason Leopold at TruthOut. It has an image of a handwritten note by Cheney that reads:
Call out to key press saying same thing about Scooter as Karl.
Not going to protect one staffer & sacrifice the guy
this Pres.that was asked to stick his neck in the meat grinder because of the incompetence of others -The hypothesis is that this might indicates direct Bush’s involvement in the Plame leak.
TRex, keep your 9-foot-long warm booties on.
g’morning all
The 3 Stooges of FoxAM are at it again with some free market h8tr named Howie Carr. They are livid that an aggressive marketing campaign went unnoticed for 2-3 weeks until it created instant hysteria when someone finally saw them….heh…Howie was praising the quick response and readiness of our terra-response systems.
Why does Fox Noise Channel hate capitalism so?
My favorite quote was ‘…why don’t these morons get jobs?’…d’oh!
I wonder what TDS crew will do with this?
Terry Olson @
67
Glenn Greenwald would hang this argument to death. And then stomp on it. or something. Freezing out, or otherwise saying “bah, you?” is oh so much more effective. And satisfying.
Ok, here’s the thing…
How can a city wait for 2-3 weeks on action, then over-react in a knee jerk panic and charge the guy possibly a half million in restitution? It seems to me, if this proves anything, it shows the inadequate awareness of possible threats in that city.
But then we find
…that it could be an ad for a FoxNews political analysis program.
Redshift @ 14
I like this!
Good morning, pups. It looks like more rain here today. Dismal gray to go along with David Brooks and Bob Herbert in the NYT. Brooks gave me a real “WTF???” feel. I just wonder what brought his blithering on this time.
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
More tea for me, and then off to the salt mines.
mandrake @ 160
It’s shear(ed) brilliance
:-)
This isn’t about Fox, but about CNN’s trusty counterpart to the whiny Fox “news” pundit. Did anyone see Glenn Beck raving last night about Iran? I just watched a little, just to see what he would say, since I could not endure more than a couple of minutes, and I happened to catch him doing some major fear-mongering and shilling for invading Iran. He is playing the consumate war-hore with his head firmly plastered up Bush’s ass.
We can pretend to ignore Fox, but just the fact that CNN thinks they have to compete with them is a good indication of what’s wrong with America and corporate media.
It just utterly disgusting to see these know-nothing pansies pontificating about MORE war while the Middle East goes up in flames. Why is ANYONE listening to these people since, as so many on FDL have noted, they have been WRONG about EVERYTHING?! Alright, you just have your goddamn war, you are just so fucking determined to get your stinking war, just don’t expect me to support it with my tax dollars.
Seriously, can we start a tax movement here? That is the only thing they will understand, besides cutting off the funding which Dems are too afraid to do.
Marion in Savannah @ 161
Good morning, Marion. Freezing rain here in upstate SC. Any muffins or are those just for weekends?
On to check out Brooks but don’t know if I can finish it on an empty stomach. [hint, hint]
;^)
Wait. That wasn’t a dream I had? Now I’m scared.
Good Morning, Firepups,
Thanks TRex, for another wonderful post. I read about Obama shutting out Fox last evening and had the same reaction everyone else has: admiration for a smart guy, and hope that freezing out Fox will improve the discourse. I’m still hopeful that we can reinstitute the Fairness Act.
Cold and cloudy here in central Jersey. We’re making up for the mild weather we had throughout December and most of January. The storm that TRex wrote about–well, it’s moving up the coast, and will get here soon enough.
For almost anyone else, I would write rest in peace. But Molly Ivins’ spirit wasn’t one to rest easy when there was injustice. So I’ll just take her last exhortation to heart, and encourage everyone else to do the same: raise hell. Her final columns are bookmarked. I know I’ll reread them whenever my spirits are low.
Be good to one another. Have fun. Raise hell.
And work for peace, every day.
Coffee’s hot and strong, and today’s muffins are morning glory [a lot like carrot cake, with walnuts and golden raisins]. Help yourselves.
ho marion
blogspot spat up this
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on my screen
ah well, i might be better off without david brooks
Kewalo @ 150
I like the fact that Fox is obviously feeling some discomfort over this. Although why they care now when they continued to spin the lie after it had been exposed for days is a mystery to me.
I ordered Marcy’s book yesterday and look forward to reading it.
MelodyMaker @
158
I have much less problem with Fox than I have with CNN. Fox is to news what WWF is to the sport of wrestling. Everyone who is sane knows it’s fake. The same cannot be said for CNN.
Good morning, mandrake–if you’re still here. I have some family in upstate SC. Are you near Greenville?
Wigwam @ 169
I don’t speak for Glenn, but I tend to channel.. I say WRONGGG! It matters. It all does. CNN too, as you ably point out.
And MSNBC’s fine example, Chris Matthews.
rumi @ 159
Hah! Perfect, Rumi! Except you forgot LoofahBob SquarePants.
mandrake
i concur
(caveat – i am not now, nor have i ever been, a cable subscriber, all my observations are based on random experiences in waiting rooms and other people’s homes)
I am frankly unable to differentiate much between Fox and CNN.
From what I have seen of CNN, one doesn’t really need Fox to find out what’s going on with the Duke basketball program.
Our local Fox broadcast affiliate here in Chicago veers pretty far to the left of the network. Placing them in the far right of the Democratic spectrum.
Honestly, I have little use for any “commontators” except a growing addiction to KO’s podcasts.
MelodyMaker @
158
I have much less problem with Fox than I have with CNN. Fox is to news what WWF is to the sport of wrestling. Everyone who is sane knows it’s fake. The same cannot be said for CNN.
I don’t speak for Glenn, but I tend to channel.. I say WRONGGG! It matters. It all does. CNN too, as you ably point out.
As I noted in an earlier post, the fact that CNN has Glenn Blech is disgraceful, blatant pandering to the Fox News audience. He is shilling for war with Iran when the public is decidely sick of war.
Wigwam @ 169
yup.
Imagine how much further to the right CNN would be driven if there wasn’t any Fox?
It’s not really the conservative view on CNN but the subtle govt propaganda that earns it the Cia News Network name.
Fox News is not fake. It’s a real 24-hour cable “news” channel. Fox Noise is a great mockiker. Hey, I just made that up. mockiker. like moniker, but.. well?
Ok, off to whatever I was going to do. b’bye
I think we ought to try for a million marchers at Molly’s funeral, all with pots and pans.
If we bang them loud enough, maybe they’ll hear them from Austin to Crawford to DC…
Kevin Hayden @ 173
I think the best part of Colbert’s interview with The Awful Fallafel aka LoofahBob was when he was complaining about sexual harassment in the workplace and opined that his guest wouldn’t tolearte that nonsense.
Was that when Colbert did his ’sexual harassment apology to his own employees show? When he had Steinem & Fonda in aprons, cooking? That was a classic comedy moment!
MelodyMaker @ 172
You know how when your car is making a funny, irritating noise and then one day, you realize it stopped?
Whatever happened to Rita Cosby? MSNBC picked her up in a 3-way trade that sent Bill Hemnner from CNN to Fox.
njprogressive: I am curious as to how your relatives feel about Greenville. I am an SC native but I am from the Columbia area, center part of the state.
I will have to be signing off soon to go to work. Will check back later for your comments, if you have any.
Thanks!
Drat, barely in the door, coffee half finished, and I gotta head to the mines, too… Well, good morning to the lot of you. Keep your muffins warm and the java piping.
Kevin Hayden @ 179
I agree. I taped it and saved it, it was so good. He did such an excellent job of portraying the patronizing male morning show host – and to Steinem and Fonda of all people!
rumi @
176
Exactly! Beck is creepy, but Blitzer scares the shit out of me.
On CNN. Everytime I go into my main Bank of America place, they have a bank of tvs with CNN on. Everytime I tell them CNN is making it difficult to think as I am trying to take out money. They turn them off shortly, then a few hours later they are back up. I could switch banks, but it would be hard.
Anyone else experiencing this? Any thoughts on what we can do?
Mornin’ all!
rumi @ 180
You know, when you’re singing the national anthem, and you get to the part about the rockets and their red glare?
I don’t remember where I read it, but that’s my Rita.
Also on CNN – it is a far more balanced station when one sees it abroad. Why is it that we can’t insist on the same thing here.
—Fair and balanced bill, fair and balanced bill, fair and balanced bill!
Ha 38 degrees, rain and a little ice and North Georgia is CLOSED!
mandrake,
My parents moved to Greenville back in nearly 20 years ago. Dad took one last transfer, because they liked the climate and the low cost of living, and then retired in 1991. They built their dream house on the 8th hole of a country club. The winters are mild, the mountains in the distance are beautiful, but they discovered some things they don’t like. Mom did several years of literacy volunteering because “the schools just don’t do a good job here.” Before he became a senator, Huckleberry Graham was their congresscritter. Coming from the northeast, there were lots of culture shocks in Greenville, home of Bob Jones University. I know there are some progressives in the area, but I could never live there.
Mr. S saw Beck last night and what struck him was Beck’s saying veterans were spat upon….
just wait for this to go through the circle-jerk that is rw media and get pronounced as truth….Beck is the new Drudge. Or Gannon. Wonder how it feels to be a washed-up rightwing tool? Beck will know soon enough.
If Faux Snooze is universally boycotted by Demos and the Left in general, even on non-political isssues, it would SHOW CASE their bias.
What could they do, write a bunch of slanted, one-sided pieces in ‘retaliation’?
This would REALLY SHOW CASE their bias. The more they threw a hissy fit at the mean old Demos, the more patently they would look like the RightWingnut Media Whores that they have been all along.
Let them limp along with their ‘hard core’ 25% of the populus in their very own little media ghetto.
I’m sure their advertisers would be THRILLED at the prospect.
Greenfield on Imus…saying media should spend the next several months talking about the discussion Senators–and Presidential candidates–are having on Iraq instead of the latest polls saying Edwards leads Obama in Iowa or McCain beats Brownback in Guam.
Good for Greenfield!
At least they have the Peace Center!
Peace
njprogressive @ 192
Richmond @ 185
I think we should all carry universal remotes and switch the channel to MSNBC on every public TV we find
Time, which I believe is part of the CNN family, now has Kristol as a regular columnist…yikes!
rumi @
182
I think I saw Rita on MSNBC 2 days ago – it was in the middle of the day. I quickly changed the channel.
Prairie Sunshine @ 191
The best person to ask would be Dennis Miller. I have no words to convey my opinion of him. They all deserve the fall.
—————–
I think I saw Rita on MSNBC 2 days ago – it was in the middle of the day. I quickly changed the channel.
She’s the asker of the blatantly obvious.
raven @ 196
Raven, are you from SC, too?
I can’t remember Jon Stewart’s name for Rita. It was something like Throaty McGruffington.
No, Athens GA just down the road. I’ve been here since 1984. . .grew up in Illinois, LA and southeast asia!
njprogressive @
200
Richmond @ 187
This might help: http://www.tvbgone.com/cfe_tvbg_main.php *wink
Throaty McHusky?
karelian @ 204
could be, they’re all funny :)
Good morning! If anyone out there hasn’t been to the Doritos Crash the Super Bowl video site yet, some of them are pretty good.
http://www.jumpcut.com/groups/…..1586523BC9
Thanks Rumi & Lou. Will look into it. And, more broadly, – lets press the Dems for a return of fair and balanced!
It’s about friggin’ time. Democrats should take every available opportunity to call the bluff of this national embarrassment.
From The General:
new thread up top!
Is Big Time known for mixing his metaphors? How do you go about sticking your neck in a meat grinder? Seems like it would require even greater flexibility than to be able to do what he suggested to Leahy.
Die, Fox News, die. Our nation will be so much smarter and better informed for it.
Gotta love your way with words, there. ^.^
Make that a tee shirt.
I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this, but lately I seem to be seeing a lot less Faux news on public TVs. As an example, there are banks of televisions above the treadmills and elipticals at my gym Even a couple of months ago at least one of those would be tuned to Faux. The past couple weeks, just CNN, local news and Charmed on TNT. Anyone else noticing such a phenomenon?
And a young black man shall lead them. I’m voting for Obama unless Bill Clinton is able to run again. Talk about fresh air!
annx @
71
Forgive my digression for a moment, but I have to speak up…
Let’s not forget who NPR’s chief “political correspondent” is … Juan Williams. That guy is FAR from an objective, thorough and insightful reporter. His so-called interview with GW after the SOTU was an insult to my intellect and a waste of my time. Actually, I haven’t appreciated much of Mr. Williams’ work at all. It’s almost as if he appears to be afraid of asking the tougher questions. To me, that’s one of the central purposes of BEING a journalist, i.e. to ASK those tough questions.
As for NPR’s coverage of live blogging, I’m not surprised by their comments. Once again, they’re probably trying to defend themselves without any real need. In this case, if they simply reported rather than denigrated, they could well have come up smelling like a rose.
Ah well.
Richmond @
190
Thanks for confirming. I did some international traveling a year or so ago and thought I saw the same shift. Glad to know I wasn’t imagining things.
So, if they can afford to have TWO formats, if you will, why not consolidate to make it a more objective INTERNATIONAL news service instead of a self-serving political tool?
Oh wait, I forgot. This is the STATES. (sigh)
the Obama camp has “frozen out” Fox News reporters and producers in the wake of the network’s major screw-up in running with the erroneous Obama-the-jihadist story reported by Insight magazine
Well, it’s about goddamn time. I’m so sick of people who refuse to fight back against these Nazi bastards I could puke.
I’m liking Obama more all the time.
“Frozen out” as in “he is cold”, or “freezing”. etc. What Obama is doing is reusing to talk to FOX as he should. The FOX folks have demonstrated a willful desire to spread falsehoods about Mr. Obama i order to achieve a political goal: The election of a Republican. It is that simple.
But I think the use of “frozen out” little more than the never ending trend amongst liberals to internalize Frank Luntze’s word smithing.
Try this: Just say NO! It a TROOP INCREASE, an ESCALATION, not a surge. Obama is REFUSING TO TALK TO FOX and he is doing so as FOX HAS A LONG HISTORY OF DISTORTING THE WORDS OF AND LYING about liberals. Obama is will to TALK TO NEWS and JOURNALISTIC institutions he is not willing to talk to PROPAGANDA OUTLETS and he is not freezing a damn thing.
Marion in Savannah @ 162
Regarding Bobo Brooks:
Remember The Manchurian Candidate? Sounds like code words to me.
Good for Obama. FoxNews is just a government-run, propaganda television show anyway.
I like the graphic for this post, but IMHO the best tv viewer = sheep metaphor was done by the Android Sisters “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?” It’s done in Flash and is worth the look.
Android Sisters on electronic media and sheep