(Photo from the Vanity Fair piece on Judy Miller that Arianna so ably deconstructed here, and that Jane tore to shreds here. We expect Judy on the stand later today in the Libby trial. Pass the popcorn...)
Frontline has a new documentary series, entitled "News War," that will be airing beginning the week of Feburary 13, 2007, tackling the modern media. There will be a number of issues addressed in the series, including reporter privilege, national security leaks and the modern business model for newsrooms today. I've had an opportunity to view some clips from the series over the past few days and I have to say, given the fact that Judy Miller takes the stand today in the Libby trial, this discussion of media boundaries and futures could not be more timely and useful.
One of the issues that Frontline is tackling is that of reporter privilege, or the ability for a reporter to provide cover for a source with regard to a leak or whistleblower action, among other factual revelations, when that source divulges information in confidence to the reporter. The Libby case has brought this issue to the fore -- not, however, because there was a need to protect a confidential source by reporters in the case but, in a bizarre twist, because the journalists to whom the secrets of Valerie Plame Wilson's work identity at the CIA were divulged were, in effect, being used as mechanisms to disseminate classified national security information for political payback purposes -- actions which led to a substantial criminal investigation and proceedings before a federal grand jury and, currently, a jury in a federal criminal trial.
In this particular case, then, the question is not one of reporter privilege but, rather, a question of reporters as tools for a criminal action disguised as political payback for a critic of Vice President Cheney and the Bush Administration' Iraq policies. Not exactly the stuff of which martyrs are made, is it? Especially not when the folks trying to dine out on the martyr's bill of fare and two martini lunch menu were, in fact, willing carriers. (See The Miller's Tale Part I, Part II, and Part III for more.)
And yet Judy Miller has been trying to do just that ever since her ill-informed trip down orange jumpsuit lane saw her stuck in the hoosgow, protecting Scooter with everything she had because...what, exactly? Since the "reporter's privilege" law she has so willingly argued for since her release would not have applied to her situation.
Allow me a moment to quote Jay Rosen:
My question for Judy: Why is it that as you travel the country speaking out for a federal shield law--before journalism groups, legal societies, on TV, and the Congress--you invariably fail to mention what your champion (then) Bill Keller understood: the shield law would not have protected you because of the weird facts in this case? It certainly matters to how effective you can be in making a case to the nation for the shield law, I said. Yet you leave it out. And your remarks today were a perfect example....I've asked a lot of people with knowledge of Washington, and of this bill. I haven't found one who thinks there can be a vote on a federal shield law without an exception in it for revealing the identity of a covert agent. A case in which that happened is not going to be a covered case; and anyone with political sense knows it.
And further, to quote Professor Geoffrey Stone, formerly on the board of the ACLU:
In the Plame case, we have a relatively unusual circumstance where the source is essentially using the press in an effort to commit a federal crime...no version of a reporter-source privilege in my view or my judgment would cover the particulars of this situation.
So, let's see: being used as a tool with which a crime may be committed? Not covered by shield or privilege law -- and that is true not only for journalists, should this law pass Congressional muster, but is also already true for spousal privilege, doctor-patient privilege, attorney-client privilege, and priest-penitent privlege.
This does not, however, begin to touch the serious discussion that does need to be had regarding whistleblowers in an age where Congressional oversight and governmental and judicial accountability have been sorely lacking. Whistleblowers have begun using the press as a means to expose governmental secrets to public scrutiny and sunshine, and to force debate on these policies out into the open public square -- but there have been cases where such public disclosure has been arguably more harmful than helpful the past few years.
But how does one tell the difference between a true whistleblower situation -- a leak for the greater public good, revealing the bad actions of a governmental entity to the sunshine of public scrutiny -- from a leak designed for payback or other less wholesome purposes? One person's good result is another person's nasty CYA, on so many levels, so how does one truly ascertain the purpose and intent of the leaker, or the journalist who is that person's secret keeper?
And therein we find the public's dilemma.
A free press was recognized by the Founders of this nation of ours as essential to the protection of liberty. It was, after all, a free hand with a printing press that brought us Thomas Paine's pamphlets. And the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers, among many, many others. As Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1787 regarding the necessity of maintaining a free press:
The basis of our government being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
But with that freedom comes an equal responsibility to uphold the trust that the public and the government has placed in the press to dig for the truth, to report fairly and honestly, but also responsibly.
Judy Miller's sordid role in the Libby saga -- her backstory in terms of her access and use of information from the White House Iraq Group and from Ahmed Chalabi, among so many other sources, deserves some study and an enormous amount of public scrutiny. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale for so many other journalists who might follow her down the path from investigative reporter to shill with an agenda doing the bidding of governmental manipulators and allies. (For more on this, take a peek at emptywheel's excellent series on What Judy Did As An Embed Part I, Part II and Part III.)
The Frontline documentary preview website has a clip of an interview that was done with John McLaughlin, the former number two man under George Tenet at the CIA, regarding the public leaking of national security information to the press. One of the stories that he talks about was the revelation of the NSA domestic wiretapping, on which we have done a lot of reporting since that story hit the NYTimes last December.
With that single story, you have the dichotomy that has to be balanced in the whistleblower/public scrutiny dilemma: the public's right to know about potentially criminal actions on the part of the government, wherein the nation's laws and the intent thereof are breached, deliberately or otherwise, so that a remedy may be imposed, balanced against the potential harm that such disclosure may do to the greater national security or other governmental agency or structure by the release of such information for public consumption.
These are not easy questions, nor should they be. The debate regarding these questions ought to be robust, and public to the extent that is possible, and fully engaged on all sides as well. This should include not just the public and the government, but the members of the press on whom the public depends for telling the stories -- the whole stories -- of what is being done in the public's name.
In so many ways, the future of the press in this nation lies in the hands of those who control the press themselves: the large corporate conglomerates who have made profit margin the controlling interest above and beyond serving the public mission, a shift which has led to the rise of "citizen journalism" in the form of blogs and other independent media groups. Corporate-owned media is already being forced to adapt its coverage and tone in order to compete, but the results of these changes will take time to sift out.
In the meantime, today in a courtroom in Washington, D.C., Judy Miller will likely take the witness stand, raise her hand and be sworn under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. The case is a narrowly drawn indictment against one Scooter Libby -- but the implications of the testimony already given in this trial will have far-reaching consequences for the media, and for the greater public perceptions of the information they have, until now, not questioned nearly enough.
The White House spin machinations have been exposed through the testimony of press flacks for the Vice President and President. The complicity of the media in granting anonymity in exchange for continued access, in granting control over message in exchange for not having to dig too hard for a quote...it is all likely to be laid bare by Judy Miller in some form.
I, for one, cannot think of a better person to be sitting on the hot seat and answering questions about her practices and the cover she may have provided for dark deeds and whispers from Dick Cheney's office and from all of his many neocon cronies. And, to be frank, I hope that this is only one of many more occasions that we will see Ms. Miller raising her hand to be sworn under oath to give testimony. Because she certainly has a lot to answer for in her shoddy, spoon-fed reporting the last few years. As do the public officials who used her to plant those stories in the first place.
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On a personal note, I will be doing Tony Trupiano's radio show this evening to talk about the Libby case, among other things. I should be on in the 8:00 pm ET hour, and you can listen live here. Thought you all might like a heads up.
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Morning all — I thought a review of Judy Miller’s greatest hits would be helpful for everyone. The links above are a treasure trove of Judy goodness. Enjoy!
A zero indeed! That has been a long time coming. MOrning everyone I am looking forward to reading the post now. I got up early to get some work done (that should have been done yesterday when I was here) so this will be a nice break.
I have a suggestion for FDL vis-a-vis server issues. After Judy, Judy, Judy testilies, could we institute a policy wherein:
Those bloggers with names A-H would be allowed to read and comment on M and W and those with names I-Z could do the same on T and Th. Fri-Sunday is open to everyone. That way we would get at least a bit of viable work done during the trial, and there would be less damage to the popcorn machine .
But also, many many thanks!
Good morning, Christy!
Thank you very much for the heads up on the Tony Trupiano show. I always seem to miss these things and that is very disappointing.
Knowing beforehand lets me schedule things so I don’t miss any juicy bits; however I do NoT see a “Listen Live” link on his website, in fact it says there is NO show scheduled for today…??
{{{{{{{{{{{{{Christy and all the firepups}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Now, back to bed. It’s freakin’ 5:14 in the morning here.
ChristyMAS??
Jacqrat at 6 — Click through on the “listen here” link — that’s the link the show sent me for everyone to be able to listen live. I talked with the producer yesterday and had him send me a specific link for you all, because I always have trouble finding the live stream aswell.
Good Morning Christy and Firepups,
Scooter will be out on parole by the time I get through all those links *g*
a bit of outrage and disgust on a related note at chez cbl this am - happened to catch the opening for Today Show - good gawd! Iran is a “rogue state”, these 5 Iranians arrested with “proof of manpads shipments”. they are at it again, but too stoopid to realize it wont result in higher ratings/ad revenues alone this time, their pom pom waving could finally destroy us - and what’s a little hippie gal supposed to do ?!? write/ email NBC Chairman ?!?!? oh yeah that’ll take care of everything
oh and, All Your Shields Are Belonging to Us !
oldnola,
someone remembers :)
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2.....g_0129.htm
Should reporters be required to disclose their security clearance?
Or, should a reporter be allowed to imply that one is granted if none exists?
when did “judy, judy, judy” replace “judith f*cking miller”? i suppose it’s more in keeping with wearing our sunday (fitzmas) best for the out-of-town company… but in the run up to the war (and the early wmd hunt afterwards) only “judith f. miller” worked for me… way to much rage at all the senseless death and destruction.
selise at 11 — Well, as this was the piece that started off the day today — and I know folks in the courthouse are keeping tabs on what we are doing with our coverage, since this is the first time they’ve given press passes to blogs — I thought we’d save the truly snarky Judy-ness for Jane this afternoon, once court is finished for the day. *g* An-ti-ci-pa-a-tion…
Christy Hardin Smith @
9
Thanks, I missed that link on the first read-through. I TOLD you… it’s freakin’ 5:30! ‘night!
also from Jane, a prescient pic -
at last,
I’m ready for my close up Mr. Fitzgerald !!!
Christy, this is absolutely right on in every way! Thanks also for the heads up on tonight.
On how to resolve this sort of journalism ethical free fall, my feeling is that journalists themselves need to form a professional organization which draws up a set of ethical standards. They might also select a group of senior respected journalists who would address particular problems with individual journalists or papers as they emerge. Such an organization also could award excellence and also publish an annual list of individuals (papers, tv journalists) who have been especially egregious.
There are other issues such an organization could address - pay, free lance issues, the (intentional?) killing of journalists covering war, and today especially devastating - people who claim to be journalists who are clearly not (Gannon/Guckert, Malkin etc.).
The web will continue to play a critical role in this too, particularly in publicizing the names of reporters known to have a history of bias - at the NYT, not only Miller but also David Kaplan (military reporting) and Kirkpatrick (conservative/religious issues). The Post has its own list of notables. For a journalist, once the name becomes synonymous with junk reporting, they lose credibility and become unmarketable. In short, economic factors can play a part here.
cbl @ 10
i saw that too. haven’t watched the today show for years and watch very little tv news…. this morning by accident opened the stream (on my eyetv) and saw that…. now i’m well and truely freaked.
is this a new development? a new phase in the informational warfare targeting iran?
this was published on 1/24/07…
i confess i didn’t take it all that seriously until now (after seeing 5 min of the today show this morning).
g’ morning, Redd!
(shuffles off to fill the coffee cup)
A Blast from the past…
Bush Directed Cheney To Counter War Critic
President Bush told the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case that he directed Vice President Dick Cheney to personally lead an effort to counter allegations made by former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV that his administration had misrepresented intelligence information to make the case to go to war with Iraq, according to people familiar with the president’s interview.
Bush also told federal prosecutors during his June 24, 2004, interview in the Oval Office that he had directed Cheney, as part of that broader effort, to disclose highly classified intelligence information that would not only defend his administration but also discredit Wilson, the sources said.
But Bush told investigators that he was unaware that Cheney had directed I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, the vice president’s chief of staff, to covertly leak the classified information to the media instead of releasing it to the public after undergoing the formal governmental declassification processes.
Bush also said during his interview with prosecutors that he had never directed anyone to disclose the identity of then-covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, Wilson’s wife. Bush said he had no information that Cheney had disclosed Plame’s identity or directed anyone else to do so.
http://news.nationaljournal.co.....703nj1.htm
Now if we could just hear from Gregory… (Dickerson’s disbelief):
http://www.slate.com/id/2158157/entry/2158492/
goodness, let’s not forget some vintage emptywheel snark
Sweet Judy Blew Lies
Morning OC at 18 — Shuffling over to get another cuppa myself. *g* It’s pouring the snow down here this morning. Absolutely gorgeous, and I’m happy to be inside (for the moment, anyway, until I have to go and pick up The Peanut from preschool later today).
Sadly, Scooter’s love letter to JudyJudyJudy will not be part of the day’s proceedings…but otherwise, it looks like a schadenfreude festival of Cunningham-like proportions awaits…
It does seem odd that Ms. F-M is completely without contrition, or even a shred of self awareness of how much she was a a mere Craftsman power tool in the service of Darth Cheney et al.
cbl at 21 — Oh yeah. I linked that one up in the piece above. So much Judy snark, so little time… *g*
we might get a sixteenth of an inch of rain today, add to our already whoppin’ 1″ of seasonal moisture this year….
I ’spose we better take what we can get…
Barnicle giving great commentary on Imus this morning. I’ll be checking the MSNBC website later in hopes they’ll have all of it posted.
The other amazing thing here is how the NYT is still supporting Judy judy in how they are reporting the case. That one, would be REALLY fun to deconstruct on many levels. I am keenly interested in how they write up Judy’s appearance today.
Mutant Poodle at 23 — Somehow, I am expecting a full on La Diva Judy bravura performance — and then a sharp reining in of said acting by Fitzgerald, who can ask to have her declared a hostile witness and continue examination from there. And Jeralyn is going to have a ring-side seat. Ooooh, I cannot WAIT for her summary this evening. That and Marcy’s running commentary during the liveblogging.
christy, enormously on point, in all particulars.
judy’s problem — or one of them, i should say, she has so many — is that SHE didn’t have a good understanding of what reporter-source privilege allows or doesn’t allow. she just thought, if i’m told something, i can use it.
the fact that she was being used to frag folks DIDN’T MATTER to her. and i suspect, wouldn’t have mattered to a great many other washington media types.
that’s what makes today, and this trial, more than gossippy good fun. it’s a line to draw, to say, if you’re carrying water in what is essentially a criminal enterprise, you’re going down.
and more generally, if you know your source is using you in bad faith, BURN THE SOURCE.
Richmond @ 27
i assure you judy miller does not have a great deal of support at the nyft.
selise @ 17
Some of us have been bringing that up here over the past month. They do it subtle ways until all of sudden, we’re in a war.
A few more pieces of the puzzle are Bush announcing his plan to double the strategic oil reserve. Oil has been at a 2 year low. More naval firepower is heading to the gulf. Any escalation can affect the flow of oil out, increasing the price and the govt is prepared to take twice as much off of the market, aggravating the price. The go ahead was given to flat out kill anyone suspected of being Iranian involved in Iraq…
It appears to be too late to stop this one, too.
From BooMan Tribune Did Ari Commit Perjury today?
IMHO, FDL is ground zero for all things Plame, so I wanted to link to this so no one is caught off guard.
IMHO BooMan overreaches the available evidence when he speculates that Ari knew Plame’s name was classified. He’s got an excellent colored analysis at the bottom of John Dickerson’s statements and Ari’s. I wasn’t convinced that Ari purjured himself, but I’m not a plameologist and in the interest of full disclosure, I think Fitz’s case against Scooter is stronger if Ari isn’t guilty of perjury.
It’s good to keep in mind what lhp said, (although I’m probably paraphrasing badly) “you don’t find swans in the sewer.” My guess is that Fitz knows this very well and has a Plan B in case it happens. He’s been too well prepared on this to have missed Dickinson’s prior articles.
Gooood! Morrrrrniinngg! FDLLL!
It’s about time for Chewday, Chewday Chewday!
You folks are fabulous. This is real Court TV.
Christy, sorry I didn’t see it before commenting - still working through the trove of links :)
Christy, you’re freaking awesome.
it sure looks like we are gunning for Iran, but looking at only 2 aircraft carrier groups doesn’t seem like nearly enough fire power… if the planning for Iraq was horrible, this is some kind of endless nightmare…
dmg at 29 — Thanks — I thought all of this needed to be said prior to Judy taking the stand. Because it needs to be considered as she answers the questions asked of her — and all the questions that will not be asked, but ought to be in another venue where they would be on point and relevent. Most media folks with whom I spoke at the courthouse were appalled on so many levels — not just by Judy, but also by how lax the editorial rein was on her idiocy at so many points where she could have been corrected before damage was done. When you heve an institution as large as the NYTimes is, and with the fact-checking and other editorial mechanisms that they have in place, and those are all bypassed for a diva reporter, that is bad on so many levels. And I have heard over the last couple of years of covering this investigation from many of the folks at the NYTimes who are LIVID about this mess — because it rubs off as a taint on all of them, even though they are scrupulously trying to do their jobs.
It’s a mess. And you are correct in terms of lack of support for Judy at the NYTimes — if it weren’t for Pinch Sulzburger (and even he has soured on his girl, from what I hear), she would have very few “friends” in the building at all. And that is being kind.
FWIW
IslamoFashionista at 35 — Thanks. :)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 28
ooohh sounds so delightful that way!
Christy - you’ve got mail.
Now where’s I put that coffee mug?
tryggth at 5:37 am
Bullsye. Gregory is the tie breaker.
rumi @ 31
oh rumi, i hope you’re wrong and we can find a way to prevent another train wreck… and it seems to me that war with iran would be a worse train wreck than our war with iraq.
i did go to DC for the protest saturday… hope our congress heard us… will watch feingold’s hearing this morning with interest.
dmg @ 29
Maybe, but a couple of days back the NYT (sorry no link - it was, I think, their first piece on the trial) made a point of stating that this trial would involve Judy and the issue of reporter privilege, leaving out the fact that this was but one small part of the problems circlng around her. In short, she was being framed principally around the martyr issue.
John at 32 — Thanks for the heads up — someone sent along a link to that at BooMan for me last night, I just haven’t had a minute to comb through the article yet this morning. My take on it is this: Dickerson is a personable guy, but he’s not Mr. Meticulous Detail. He doesn’t remember Ari using a name or specifically pointing to a particular “Wilson’s wife” designation but, rather, Ari skating very carefully around the edges on this, as if he was worried about saying too much — like he knew this wasn’t something that was right to be doing. Dickerson also remembers Ari talking with the reporters separately, I think, and not altogether in a group. Ari remembers talking to them together and, when you think about how many reporter conversations Ari would have had over the course of that trip — and what you have is competing memories and not perjury in my mind. But, as I said, I haven’t read through the Booman piece as yet. Hope to get to it at some point today…in my copious spare time. *g*
But if they plan a “limited incursion” strictly from the air and seaborne ordinance?
OldCoastie @ 36
OldCoastie, imho, Bush Cheney are just praying they can provoke Iran into using a couple of their Russian made Sunburn anti-ship Missles (that I don’t think our Phalanx system can defeat) to sink/cripple one of our battle carriers, so Bush can blame them for
defending their territorial watersbeing the aggessor.Good luck today at the trial. Take care of those oh-so-valuable wrists. Should be a great show today. Here’s hoping the diva takes a dive.
Thanks Christy.
raven @ 46
still, VERY dumbass planning - doesn’t make sense - Iran has such military might….
unfortunately we’ve got idiots at the helm…. I would hope that the military sez, “ain’t gonna happen”
haha - Larry Johnson
IslamoFashionista @ 35
i second that… an amazing post filled with a treasure trove of links. hope it is read widely. i’m going to book mark it for later study…
“protecting Scooter with everything she had because…what, exactly? “
Because they are on the same side. That side.
I kind of wonder what the media types at the courthouse say concerning Judy,Judy, Judy since it became known she was an administration hack.
Judy Miller=Timmy Russert=Jeff Gannon=Crap
selise @ 43
I would be so happy to be wrong on this. Thanks for making it to the march to be there for those of us who could not.
My point exactly.
OldCoastie @ 36
still, VERY dumbass planning - doesn’t make sense - Iran has such military might….
unfortunately we’ve got idiots at the helm…. I would hope that the military sez, “ain’t gonna happen”
Prairie Sunshine @ 26
hope that was meant ironically. barnicle really has no standing to speak authoritatively on anything tied to journalistic ethics.
From what I’ve read and heard (on AirAmerica) from Dickerson, I am not impressed. He’s living off his mother’s name and most of his accounts about this are about him. I trust that Fitz felt there was a good reason to leave him off the witness stand. Too bad he can’t jack up his notoriety by being a part of this (croc tears). He’s nothing more than a bit player trying to get into the spotlight IMHO.
Morning Christy & all. Happy Judy day!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
exactly right on both points. your sourcing on this, as with virtually everything i’ve ever read of yours, is totally solid.
dmg @ 57
That is true in fact, though when he’s been subbing for Tweety he’s done a credible job. At least he asks decent questions and lets the interviewee or panel answer them. That alone is refreshing.
I don’t remember off hand what kind of mea culpa he did or did not do regarding his shenanigans in Boston.
‘Morning, Christy, fine job here covering Sweet Judy Blew Lies. ‘Morning to all you FirePups, too!
The only quibble I have is that we do not make clear the two underlying concepts that Miller conveniently ignored in her drama queen pleas for reporters’ privilege.
- There was no privilege found by the court for testifying in front of a Grand Jury investigating an underlying crime; this should be distinguished from testifying in front of a regular jury;
- There was no privilege found by the U.S. Supreme Court in Branzburg v. Hayes, that allows reporters who witness a crime to report on the crime but not testify about it. Reporters are beneficiaries of the reporting at the public’s expense, where they refuse to testify about a crime committed in their presence; this should be clearly distinguished from whistleblowing.
The DC Circuit Court of Appeals took great pains to explore this matter after Miller was jailed, to the tune of an 83-page decision. It’s clear that the court saw something that was clearly a crime in the course of its review, and nothing to support Miller’s claim of privilege.
Miller tries so hard to justify her work, which in turn justified a fraudlent war; this cannot be seen in the same light as any journalist/editor to whom Daniel Ellsberg leaked the Pentagon Papers. One furthered a crime and might have done so for Libby et al, the other worked to stop a war prosecuted illegally. Apples, oranges.
Having read Miller’s apologetics in the NYT (actually rushed out and bought a hardcopy, no mean feat here in flyover country), I can’t help but wonder what the hell is wrong with Miller’s head. She wrote most of her explainer as if she wasn’t there, as if she was a detached observer watching a Miller-like clone interacting with Libby. Would love to have Pachacutec give her a thorough review for this reason.
Firepups,
From the testimony so far, doesnt it seem like leaking Plame’s identity was more of an effort to argue the VP didnt send Wilson vs a vindictive release (not that they wouldnt) to hurt him personally? just askin’
Christy Hardin Smith @ 36
Alas, I am not sure I agree. The take here is that her editors were remiss in not correcting her. I think it was volitional on the part of the upper echelon of the NYT, so she could get her reports out there, because key people at the press wanted the Iraq war to go forward. In the same way, their reporting currently seems to be supporting the conclusion that they want the admin ramping up for a military encounter with Iran. (A key example is the recent piece that Iran was messing things up in Iraq and the US needed to counter this. Frankly there are far worse problems in Iraq such as civil war, and if the US is not helping in community service and rebuilding efforts in providing electricity, water etc. Iran saw a need and may be trying to help.
And in this dilemna, we get at those very difficult (and indeed nasty) issues concerning the NYT and perceived security for a country whose name begins with I and ends in l.
On these and related war issues, the Boston Globe has been doing far more balanced journalism.
What a creat service FDL is providing to our country and future historians.
The great preview this morning by ReddHedd, the unbelievable real-time transcript by emptywheel, the research by eRiposte, and perspective of Jeralyn.
Wow. Thank you so much!
I was thinking as I woke up this morning— Imagine if we could add up the billable hours that all the legal eyes have spent here at the Lake in the lead up to and including the trial and multiply the hours by their billing rates.
We could probably fund a hell of a good progressive think tank if we had that scratch.
RevDeb at 66 — If we told you guys how many hours go into this — with the research, the writing, the behind-the-scenes planning, the scheduling, the server tweaking, etc., etc., no one would believe it. *g* This has been the single most enormous undertaking, and I spend each day being incredibly grateful that we’ve been able to keep it moving forward.
Richmond:
On these and related war issues, the Boston Globe has been doing far more balanced journalism.
Which is ironic as the NYT owns the Globe.
RevDeb @ 57
Yup. I agree completely. And, he seems way to the right.
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Maybe, but a couple of days back the NYT (sorry no link - it was, I think, their first piece on the trial) made a point of stating that this trial would involve Judy and the issue of reporter privilege, leaving out the fact that this was but one small part of the problems circlng around her. In short, she was being framed principally around the martyr issue.
i haven’t kept up with the times’s coverage, so don’t know the article you’re referring to, but i feel safe in saying it probably merely focused on that particular element of the trial. the trial is not exclusively about her, nor does every story about her need to run down a list of all her misdeeds against journalism. if that were the case, each story would have to start at 40 inches and grow from there.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 67
In a way, this IS our progressive think tank taken to a new level.
And there is no way to thank you all enough for what you are giving to us and to the country by doing this.
RevDeb — we already are a think tank. ;-)
We’re all of us thinking in this lovely blue tank called FireDogLake.
We just don’t have a formalized organizational structure.
Been thinking about that myself at a local level; Mackinaw fricking Center for Public Policy is in my backyard. Absolutely need something to counteract their toxicity and in a hurry because they are spawning new auxiliary think tanks.
But we are FireDogLake (I am Spartacus!) and we are legion, we are everywhere. We could probably launch a conscious effort towards a think tank by merely hosting a single post each week on a set issue for focus, maybe one each month, and then tackle it in comments.
edit: GMTA! I see at 71 we’re on the same page!
Dear Christy et al.
My son is a freshman journalism student, and I’ve been sending him links to and summaries of the coverage here. Today’s piece is particularly important for our “future reporters,” as those of us who remember Watergate can attest.
Thank you all so much, not just for the live blogging, but for the thoughtful analysis. This is what our MSM should be doing.
And they wonder why their subscription rates are going down the toilet.
Richmond @
6
who said “I’m not a member of an organized party… I’m a democrat”???
RevDeb @ 67
I know. But it is a different market, and who knows with the recent cut backs announced (along with the note that the NYT has broad coverage that can be used) what will happen.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 67
Thank you. We really, REALLY appreciate it.
njr at 74 — Wasn’t that Will Rogers?
Richmond @ 75
Well, we certainly can’t rely on Charlie Savage to do ALL of the heavy lifting. He’s done more than his share already. We need more like him.
raven @
56
ritter says there’s a third aircraft carrier - the USS Ronald Reagan.
still doesn’t make any sense.
2red4me (63) –
No.
Brilliant post, Christy. I really appreciate your more philosphical takes these days. The chaotic swirl of data is far too hard to digest without some level of sound analysis.
Thanks a lot.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 67
Shorter Redd: No one could have anticipated . . .
Even shorter Redd: Inconceivable!
Interesting take via Think Progress:
ritter says there’s a third aircraft carrier - the USS Ronald Reagan.
Well that’s appropriate. It’s probably lost wandering around the Pacific.
RevDeb @ 58
You’re absolutely right. Here’s what Dickerson himself wrote back in February 2006:
From Eugene Robinson in WaPo today:
In a legal sense, that isn’t the point of the trial, it’s simply about perjury and obstruction.
IMHO, leaking Plame is just one example of a massive propaganda effort to lie us into a war of choice for very narrow political gains. I’m concerned about what anyone gets out of segregating the Plame leak from all the other leaking, which hasn’t gotten the same attention.
I don’t accept the premise that DeadEye did not send Plame. If I saw my boss’ boss’ boss’ boss on MTP saying we needed more information about something, I, or any seasoned employee would get after it. DeadEye doesn’t like the CIA calling his bluff. He wants to present himself on MTP as orchestrating a massive intelligence effort, but when it comes down to people taking initiative wrt exactly what he said on MTP, all of a sudden DeadEye’s not so thrilled. It ruins the facade of fairness and impartiality that he had worked so hard to fabricate.