
Go buy Anatomy of Deceit. Don't update crazily. And don't expect a transcript.
We're in sidebar. She's back to breathing. Looks down. She's wiping the sweat from under her eyes. Sees someone is laughing. Leans back. Someone made her relax.
Jeffress again
Fitz pulls Jeffress back.
Judy sits back in the chair.
Wells now chatting up Jeffress.
Judy sees someone on other side of room, breathing, making funny faces.
J Ms. Miller, as I understand it, you were not actually ever shown a waiver that Libby signed
J You were only informed that he had signed a waiver. Were you informed that he affirmatively requested all reporters to come forward to testify. At the time you moved to quash subpoena. Did you file an affadavit. In that affadavit, did you represent to the court that,
M says she doesn't remember affadvit
J is it true that you were planning to write an article
M Sir I wasn't planning to write an article [ohh, angry Judy]
J Didn't you talk to the bureau chief
M I was not going to write the story. It was not my assignment.
J puts up affadvit from Miller
M Yes I signed it.
J You did contemplate writing one or more articles in July 2003, about issues related to Wilson.
M Yes, but not about Wilson and Plame, there were other things I wanted to pursue
J You said you met with several potential sources.
J Who were the others. Can you remember just one of them?
Judy wipes nose.
She's got her chin in her hand.
Now reading through something–looks like Kristof's article.
Judy back to looking straight ahead, now lookingfown, back to not breathing, bends forward t oget something. Arms folded. Eyes roll up into head. Looking down. Back to reading whatever is in front of her. Wipes nose.
Short recess.
4:17
Mr Bennett, an issue has arisen whether I should sustain or overrule the specific question asked to your client, asking her to name specifically sources that she would have acquired information from. You're not in a position to object, You're not even known to be here representing her. She's already said she doesn't remember the source. And now the specific question is being directed to her.
Bennett asks to excuse the witness. Walton agrees. [Bennett now at lawyer podium]
Walton: I don't know if you have a position. I appreciate you recognizing we're in a difficult position. I would object to any question asked There are no other sources she could testify about dealing with Wilson's wife Ms Plame, we would object to the identification her being asked about other sources from whom she got a personal waiver.
Walton Essentially, there is a distinction between her being asked indivs from whom she got info from anyone else, and it seems to me that it's fair game for her to have to respond to that question, whether she can remember anyone else. However, since the central issue is NOT whom she acquired info as to Mr. Wilson himself, a balance needs to be struck. Libby has a right to confront the witnesses against him THere is an interest the media has not to have to answer questions not directly related to this case. It seems to me overly broad to permit her to be questioned about sources that generally relate to Wilson himself. I don't see where it adds anything to the defense. It seems to me it steps over the line when she has been asked to name specific sources.
Bennett does your honor have a specific question.
Bennett I think I should be given a moment to talk to her, it's her position, and not mine.
Walton: That may resolve the issue.
Walton, I'll take five minutes.
4:23
We're at 7 minutes now, Bennett is still working over Judy.
Bennett We have no objection to that question being asked, I'd request if your honor would ask the question.
Walton, you want me to ask if she has a problem asking the question.
Bennett. No, you or they can ask the question
Fitz I hate to admit my ignorance, but what is the question.
Laughter
Walton explaining the question.
Judy raises her finger waves and and shakes her head no.
Jeffress, Can you remember (reads the question back to her off mike)
Judy rolls her eyes.
Jury coming back in.
4:33
Judy looking down, composing herself (the break did her a world of good–old Bennett, just like a smart football coach getting a timeout when one is offered)
J I was asking you about statement in affadavit for court, about writing one or more article related to Mr Wilson's op-ed.
Objection
J I'm still reading
Fitz waves it off
J I'll start over You spoke and or met with several potential sources. Can you name one of those sources other than Mr Libby.
Walton, we've already discussed
Sidebar again.
Judy's getting annoyed. She just wants to get the question asked and get through it.
4:37
She's got her head to one side, she's looking down at something. I know she's not, but she looks like she's sneaking a peak at her blackberry. Slumps back in the seat. She shakes her head, rolls her eyes, wipes lint off her jacket, which may be velvet.
Sitting there with frown on face. Looks grumpy.
Walton: Ladies and gentlemen, there are additional legal issues I'm going to have to review before we finish questioning teh witness. Have a nice eventing.
Judy's got a set look to her chin, is talking to someone, arms crossed, and smiling. Jurors leave.
My objection under 403 is that Bennett didn't have any objection about Wilson and his wife, Defense wants to ask a question that is much more broad. There are a lot of issues [reporter tells him to slow down.] and I will slow down. That's not relevant. My understanding is the notebooks were turned into the court. My understanding is the first reference to the wife anywhere is June 23. The next reference is July 8, and after that there are stray references. One is tied directly to an interview–the conversation with Mr. Libby. I assume there are other conversations in the notebook. They're not relevant, To ask questions after it's already been decided prior to trial is to go fishing far afield, I'm not here to make the 1st Amendment argument. Not only don't I want to make it, others would prefer that I not make it.
J The only question is whether the question is proper and relevant. If defendant asks a proper question on impeachment substantively in his defense. There can be no balance.
Walton. The question has to be relevant to an issue germane to this litigation.
J The witness submitted an affadavit. I believe she will say that she can't remember a single one of those sources. I don't think it matters whether you say Ambassador Wilson.
Walton There's a lot in that op-ed piece.
J She testified and her interest was in how this man could have written such an article. She was interested in CIA sends ex-envoy.
Walton even if that's true, how is challenging her in this regard.
J Because it impeaches her credibility.
Walton it depends on what those sources provided information on. If they provided info in wider issues on Wilson editorial. That goes to collateral information. That goes to whether Libby was the first who related to her info on Wilson. And to then ask her to questions that may relate to other issues regarding what Wilson might have said, that goes really far afield.
J Why would it be in her affadavit
Walton just because her lawyers decide to put something into an affadavit, they don't control my judgment on what is relevant. If she says she went to jail for the purpose of protecting Libby.
J Mr Tate will testify that when Tate spoke with Mr Abrams represented both Cooper and Miller Abrams asked Tate about waiver. Both Abrams admits that Tate told him that in Libby's view both were free to testify. Abrams has written that in related discussion that Tate told him that, "are you kidding." Tate says it didn't happen that way. Putting that aside, Abrams is having the same conversation. Miller decides, I mean Cooper decides to testify. Mr Abrams told him, it's not just Libby, she has other sources.
Walton, that relates to different inquiry. The govt did bring up fact she want to jail, I think it would be inferred that she didn't believe Libby's was voluntary, if you have info that is different, but I do have a problem with the question that was asked. If she had other sources that related to other aspects of WMD 16 word issue, it seems to me I don't want this trial debating that issue. Once we do that I let govt to bring in other evidence that seeks to bolster her position. But I don't have a problem with that question wrt Wilson or his wife. If you're asking questions re sources and going to jail,
J The only thing he wrote about was his trip to Niger
Walton what if she received sources that related not to idenity of Wilson but relates to sources who may have told her things that related to his trip.
J If she does have sources unrelated to Wilson's oped, If she talked to someone and she does remember a source, we've tried since the beginning of this case, I understand she doesn't remember anyone who tell her about the wife. If I can find out the names of anyone who talked about Wilson, I can question whether they told her. She says she doesn't remember. VF and Victoria Wilson, She's got all sorts of references. She says
Walton, I don't have a problem with you asking her specifically about that
J I'm getting to that.
Wells, the balancing test should only take place if and when court is being confronted. At the moment, Ms Miller. It goes to classical traditional impeachment. That goes to impeachment. This is classic 101 impeachment, having nothing to do with the first amendment. I don't think we have any first amendment collision at the moment. I think she's willing to say, she doesn't recall. I think she's going to say, I don't recall. That's a great value to Mr Libby's right to impeach.
Fitz. There's no right to impeach on irrelevant issues. [going too fast] I'm sorry, I'll take a timeout. If [the war] is going to be tried in this trial, we've got to bring cots.
Bennett. Ms. Miller does recollect other sources on collateral issues. Ms Miller for years has been working on WMD, distortion of intelligence. She would remember those sources, but those are collatoral issues. They're not going to get this gem that they think they're going to get. She cannot recollect any other sources and she certainly can't remember discussing these issues before she talked to Mr Libby.
Wells put her in the witness box without the jury. Let her identify any of the sources. If she says she does have a recollection, your honor can rule, and we'll have a record.
Walton–her attorney has represented as an officer of the court.
Wells If Mr Bennett is representing as an officer of the court, that on articles she contemplated. The question I'm asking Bennett to represent as an officer of the court, how will his client respond to the question as described by the paragraph in teh affadvait.
Fitz. Still have my relevance objection.
Walton. The first paragraph relates to things we're not dealing with here. It wasn't just the yellowcake. She's being asked to provide sources that may respond to ANY of these issues.
Wells all I want to know (keeps interrupting Walton) All I want to know for purposes of impeachment, when you sign paragraph 5, do you remember the names. If she says yes, then we can put on the record, that we would have asked the next question. Right now, nobody knows. My impeachment goes to the affy.
5:07
Wells I have every right to confront here with a sworn affadavit and ask her whether she remembers anything in there.
Walton I might agree that if we were talking about the subject that you're addressing. Her lawyer would respond that there are other sources.
Wells if Bennett would represent it WRT question 5.
Fitz I can answer that. Did one or more sources. She testified that Libby did. [clever, not going to work.] This is all a tempest in a teapot.
Walton, I've gotta get out of here.
Wells. I'm just dealing with affy that talks about op-ed piece.
Walton I don't have a problem if you ask her regarding sources on Wilson and Wilson's wife. I think that's going to be my ruling. It'd have to be impeached on an issue that's relevant to this litigation. I understand from Bennett that that would require her to reveal sources she is unwilling to reveal.
Arise.
Beer Thirty. Thanks Guys!!



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You’re doing such an excellent job, Marcy! Thank you, thank you!
fdl
FITZGERALD
F I T Z!
MERCI, Marcy.
Great job Marcy! Wish I had time to read it all in real time.
It appears that Judy’s winning personality is shining through on the stand.
The aspens are indeed turning.
Awesome job Marcy!!!
Pure poetry!
Your caveats and the way they become terser as the day wears on makes me laugh. Fantastic job.
Need a timestamp on the posting for about 4:10pm
We’re in sidebar
M Yes, but not about Wilson and Plame, there were other things I wanted to pursue
A movie career! The entertainment industry desperately needed another diva!
Judy is having a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day.
I wish I could say I felt badly about that.
Marcy, you are a MIRACLE.
-S
I stand in grateful awe.
(((FDL and all its makers, from writer to techie)))
((((Jane))))
The blood pressure for Judy continues to rise. I love it.
You’re goin down, bitch.
J You said you met with several potential sources.
J Who were the others. Can you remember just one of them?
Ohhhh…. cliffhanger question….
way to build the suspence Marcy!
yay, marcy and FDL
(how did this memory-addled person now on the stand ever get a position at a prestigious media organ?)
It sounds like Judy is being really hammered. I’d feel bad for her if she wasn’t so evil.
Situation room right now on the bloggers
great job Marci it is like we are there
Sweet Judy scrutin-eyes.
-GSD
Somewhat EPUd, but you get a very good impression of Queen Judy’s World of Journalism, conducted with blinkers to the rest of the profession.
She’s lying like crazy. Seems to have had catastrophic memory loss.
Poor Judy.
TeddySanFran @ 16
media organ. Well organ. And she did it lieing down.
Still in sidebar.
Dear Judy,
Your reporting, and you, are missed. Like any liberal, I admire your principled stand. I would welcome you back among the rest of us, doing what you do best — going to jail in the summer, out West, where the aspens turn in clusters, because their roots connect them.
HaHahahahah.
Great place to break.
watertiger @ 11
What I really wanted to do was DIRECT!
Pach, Can you comment on the psychodrama?
New York Times. The Paper of Record. More like the paper of reckless journalists.
Kudos, Marcy. This is A #1.
I suggest that The Library of Congress will label Marcy’s/FDL’s threads as historical documents in American history and culture.
Just fantastic coverage Marcy! Love all those descriptive details.
My dogs are tellling me her forgetfulness on the stand is a crock
of bull______! Can’t wait tilll Fitz the proctologist gets to work
on her again.
I feel sorry for her. She is so very very out of her element.
Fantastic!!!
Team FDL, if they gave a Pulitzer Prize for blogging you would win hands down.
FDL leads CNN’s coverage of the blogosphere’s look at the trial. Notes EW’s description of Judy at the top of the last thread.
Pretty “just-the-facts” kind of piece – “here’s what you’d see if you went on line” Also noted the official PJF website and its exhibit lists.
Obviously Judy is not out there protecting Scooter. But she is verrrry afraid? Of what? What is she hiding?
Is the defense digging out the fact that someone else in the admin told her about Plame? Like Hadley? Or someone similarly placed?
I think Judy realizes this is only the beginning of her gauntlet of humiliation as she gets flushed down the toilet of the cult of personality. Bwahahahah!!!
5 second screen shot of EW’s live blogging on CNN – very nice!
Sir I wasn’t planning to write an article [ohh, angry Judy]
“I was planning on writing a book, dammit! A book that would make me faaaabulously wealthy!”
neil — Pach is in the courtroom, if he’s at the courthouse and can’t comment from there.
Vaughan @ 33
No sorrow here. I feel sorry for the dead soldiers, their families, the 50,000 injured soldiers, 200,000 Iraqis, and our children’s futures – in large part because of her ideologically driven “reporting” (lies) for the NYT that took us into Iraq needlessly.
Pach must be gettin’ an eyeful…
Bob Hope had a joke for the troops about “sir”–said “sir” but spelled it “cur.”
A Blast from the past…
Bush Directed Cheney To Counter War Critic
…Bush also said during his interview with prosecutors that he had never directed anyone to disclose the identity of then-covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, Wilson’s wife. Bush said he had no information that Cheney had disclosed Plame’s identity or directed anyone else to do so.
http://news.nationaljournal.co…..703nj1.htm
Woodhall Hollow @ 36
interesting observation…
I so want Judy to come unglued in the witness chair. Screaming hysterically and lunging for Fitz, who just trips her, and points to the bailiff to seat her back in the witness chair.
We can all have our fantasies no?
Ms. Miller, as I understand it, you were not actually ever shown a waiver that Libby signed.You were only informed that he had signed a waiver.
Ach! See! She’s not so text-driven after all. She knows what kind of suits Libby appeared in, because she *only* saw him in a suit, except for the time with the cowboy hat and the black jeans, or something like that.
I rest my case. She can’t even talk straight when it comes to her memory.
Why did the media room “erupt” in the previous thread when Judy said she had glanced at Wilson’s book? Enlighten me?
Anyone want to donate $50.00?? I’ll donate $50.00 at the PayPal button if someone else donates with me…
Join the Marcy Wheeler Cogent Brevity Contest:
Submission #1 – 7 words:
EPU’d:
Well, those are the points I thought might be relevant to the jury. Although I can understand why Fitz might not be permitted to explain the distinction between WINPAC and CPD, the testimony that Libby was identifying Valerie Wilson’s job in different ways to different people highlights a possible – and already existing – propensity to lie about the issue, even before he was subpoenaed.
Kind of undercuts the defense’s position, in opening statements, that Libby had nothing to lie about.
The Witch at 48 — Because Judy Miller has a notoriously large ego, and a long memory for slights, and likely read and underlined each and every passage about her in Wilson’s book. To say that she “glanced at it” is such a snippy little dismissive understatement — and so typically Judy. *g*
neil @ 51
Water’s warm; shut up; don’t touch!
because we may have some new friends thanks to CNN…
Peterr @ 8
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Thanx
Who were the others. Can you remember just one of them.
I know, I know *raising hand*! (Too bad this is not a classroom)
Richmond @ 42
AMEN
Christy Hardin Smith @ 53
Ah, TY! I am not following this nearly as
obsessivelyclosely as some others, so I appreciate the enlightenment. (LOVING you and all you do, btw!)What does EPU’ed mean?
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Christy Hardin Smith @ 41
christy that is great, he will dish all later
Can we please have a moment of silence for Amb. Wilson’s laptop, and then take up a collection for a replacement, because he in all likelihood had to spew after:
So you read his book?
Oh, I glanced at it.
p.luk @ 55 – Beat me to my own welcome! Thanks!!
OldCoastie @ 38
Great catch.
The Witch @ 49
Hey, you — fancy meeting you here! Glad those photos worked out okay.
Seems like a lot of DUers are here today.
it is true, it runs when you’re stressed,
“it” being your nose, not Joe Wilson
This is just unreal !! Thanks Marcy and all at FDL.
Having a blast but getting even angrier at Cheney and Chimpy.
I wish someone ask Judy if she got access by sleeping with Scooter. Oh, man…it would cause Judy to go nuts there….now back to work.
ccmask @
49
In.
Kelven @ 37 I think Judy realizes this is only the beginning of her gauntlet of humiliation as she gets flushed down the toilet of the cult of personality. Bwahahahah!!!
She was an accomplished reporter who rubbed shoulders with the highest aids in the WH. She had a great career. Not everyone appreciated her; she rubbed some people the wrong way. Her “principled stand” on First Amendment rights was a plausible story but it was as much about money as rights. She’s got cuaght in the crossfire and lost her job. We could talk about her reporting on WMD. That goes to getting it right or wrong and methods. Is she an idealogue, a tool? I doubt it.
TeddySanFran @ 16
Given the state of the Mainstream Media, that’s not a serious question, right?
Obviously Judy is not out there protecting Scooter. But she is verrrry afraid? Of what? What is she hiding?
I think she is scared to death that she’ll be asked about the OTHER story that Fitz is pissed off about — when she screwed up an ongoing investigation of actual terrorists…..
litigatormom @ 59
EPU = Evil Parallel Universe, a regular commenter at FDL. Often would arrive late to a thread, offer a great comment, only to get no response because everyone else had moved along to a new thread.
After happening regularly a couple of times, this came to be a shorthand used to describe the situation above. When the person brings their comment to the new thread, saying “This was EPU’d” is a way of saying “This relates to what we were talking about on the last thread.”
neil @ 50
Read, chill, donate.
Yay FDL! Yay Anatomy! Coming to my brick and mortar in 2 days!
Ooo, I EPU’d!
Now, to catch up…
Peterr @ 62
you seem to have been busy with other mod duties, so I’ve been trying to fill in as needed :)
I disagree, and think the question is this: is/was she an operator or an operative?
p.luk @ 55
Oh, I’m sure traffic will be going up considerably now that fdl has been showcased on CNN.
M (looking plaintively at defense table, tears begin to stream down her cheeks): “I can’t do this anymore, I’m sorry, I’m so sorry…” (turns to Fitzgerald, voice rising), “Okay, so I did it. So what?! And you know what, I’m glad I did it, too. I mean, what was I supposed to do, give up my access?”
F: “No more questions, your Honor.”
How are the site statistics? Are you guys reeling them in?
SharonRB @ 63
SharonRB, definitely good to meet you on Friday; thank you for coordinating the book signing! My girlfriend posted an outsider’s perspective to the event. She’s so incredibly tolerant of my obsession!
TeddySanFran @
16
I’m sure it had to do with another prestigious organ.SharonRB @ 64
Now that the Feingold hearing is over, this is the only game left in town.
Oh, I am taking up precious comment space.
Watertiger at 49
Judy must be faaaabulously wealthy already if she lives in Sag Harbor.
What is up with the sexual innuendo wrt Judy/Libby and Judy/Chalabi? Is there any basis for it or is it just joking insults?
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #721 in Books
HAH!
BREAKING: seen on the tucker show
On the bottom of the screen, under TUCKER, it reads:
DO DEMS HAVE THE GUTS TO IMPEACH PRESIDENT BUSH?
bbbbbbbbwwwwwwwaaaaahhhhhhhh
The Witch @ 80
crapola – wish I knew when it was going to be re-aired on CSPAN – prolly 2:00 in the morning!!
neil @ 69
Journalists who worked with her (whom I know) hated her. She lost her job because she was found out for her egregious (sorry e) misrepresentations. On WMD – there were lots of other POV out there at the time that were accurate (i.e. no WMD). She chose not to use these sources. She was/is dishonest, immoral, an ideologue, and a tool. And that is just the beginning.
Do I feel sorry for Russert? Hardly.
If I were Tim Russert I’d be as hopping mad as a Buffalo Bills fan on any given Sunday. First, Dick Cheney’s office tried to scapegoat him in the Plamegate scandal and then Cheney’s staff wanted to book the VP on Meet the Press specifically because they found it easy to “control the message” on Russert’s show.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs…..pid=161755
Bernstein, she ain’t.
p.lukasiak @ 75
I’m not a mod, so no mod duties for me – but I have been busy with Dad duties (fixing lunch for The Kid, and creating an elaborate Rube Goldberg machine with him out of Legos, marbles, and Brio train tracks) I duck back here to check on how things are going. The Kid won’t let me do that more than once every fifteen minutes or so, which helps me honor Marcy’s request about reloading.
Kudos, Marcy!! Your diligent reporting and wry commentary are indispensable. I’m wrapt! Thank you so much.
Can’t wait for the movie! Marcy, are you going to star as yourself??
Have we had conversations about this before? Who’s going to play whom in the great cinematic experience of all time?!
JGabriel @ 51
some say, *g* that judy got bad info on winpac (john bolton) and it was a tenent payback the chances of her being at winpac as an analyst and not covert
pseudonymous in nc @ 75
The proper spook (CIA) term is: Useful Idiot.
How interesting it’s going to be, (when this resumes) if Judy can’t recall a single other source she spoke with about Wilson and his wife!
Wheel, you know I’ve been harping on Judy’s “security clearance” in Iraq for a long time (basically, I think there was none). More than ever, I think it was done in the same shoddy way the V.P.’s office was handling everything else of a classified nature at the time: something to the effect of “treat as security cleared.”
zig alert!
Judy’s next move should be toward musical theater.
“[REPORTERS]
Where’d you come from?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
Mississippi
[REPORTERS]
And your parents?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
Very wealthy.
[REPORTERS]
Where are they now?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
Six feet under.
[BILLY]
But she was granted one more start
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
The convent of The Sacred Heart!
[REPORTERS]
When’d you get here?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
1920
[REPORTERS]
How old were you?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
Don’t remember
[REPORTERS]
Then what happened?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
I met Amos
And he stole my heart away
Convinced me to elope one day
[MARY SUNSHINE (spoken)]
Oh you poor dear I cant beleive what you have been through A convent girl! A run-away marriage!
Now tell us roxie…
[MARY SUNSHINE]
Who’s Fred Casely?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
My ex-boyfriend.
[REPORTERS]
Why’d you shoot him?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
I was leavin’.
[REPORTERS]
Was he angry?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
Like a madman
Still I said, “Fred, move along.”
[BILLY]
She knew that she was doing wrong.
[REPORTERS]
Then describe it.
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
He came toward me.
[REPORTERS]
With the pistol?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
From my bureau.
[REPORTERS]
Did you fight him?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
Like a tiger.
[BILLY]
He had strength and she had none.
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
And yet we both reached for the gun
Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes we both
Oh yes we both
Oh yes, we both reached for
The gun, the gun, the gun, the gun
Oh yes, we both reached for the gun
For the gun.
[REPORTERS]
Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes they both
Oh yes, they both
Oh yes, they both reached for
The gun, the gun, the gun, the gun,
Oh yes, they both reached for the gun
for the gun.
[BILLY]
Understandable, understandable
Yes it’s perfectly understandable
Comprehensible, Comprehensible
Not a bit reprehensible
It’s so defensible
[REPORTERS]
How’re you feeling?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
Very frightened
[REPORTERS]
Are you sorry?
[ROXIE]
Are you kidding?
[REPORTERS]
What’s your statement?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
All I’d say is
Though my choo-choo jumped the track
I’d give my life to bring him back
[REPORTERS]
And?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
Stay away from…
[REPORTERS]
What?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
Jazz and liquor…
[REPORTERS]
And?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
And the men who…
[REPORTERS]
What?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
Play for fun…
[REPORTERS]
And what?
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
That’s the thougt that…
[REPORTERS]
Yeah
[BILLY (as Roxie)]
Came upon me…
[REPORTERS]
When?
[BILLY]
When we both reached for the gun!
[MARY SUNSHINE]
Understandable, understandable
[BILLY AND MARY SUNSHINE]
Yes, it’s perfectly understandable
Comprehensible, comprehensible
Not a bit reprehensible
It’s so defensible!
[REPORTERS]
Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes, they both
Oh yes, they both
Oh yes, they both reached for
[BILLY (spoken)]
Let me hear it!
[REPORTERS]
The gun, the gun, the gun,
The gun
Oh yes, they both reached
For the gun
[BILLY (spoken)]
A little louder!
[REPORTERS]
For the Gun.
Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes, they both
Oh yes, they both
Oh yes, they both reached
For the gun, the gun,
[BILLY (spoken)]
Now you got it!
[REPORTERS]
The gun,the gun
Oh yes. They both reached
For the gun
For the gun.
[BILLY AND REPORTERS]
Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes, they both
Oh yes, they both
Oh yes, they both reached for
The gun, the gun, the gun,the gun
Oh yes, they both reached for the gun
For the gun.
Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes, they both
Oh yes, they both
Oh yes, reached for
The gun, the gun, the gun,the gun
The gun, the gun, the gun,the gun
The gun, the gun, the gun,the gun
[BILLY]
Both reached for the…gun
[REPORTERS]
The gun, the gun, the gun,the gun
The gun, the gun, the gun,the gun
The gun, the gun, the gun,the gun
The gun, the gun, Both reached for the gun.”
Useful idiot, yes. And a liar. She deserves to be on the hot seat as do the others in the administration who lied and manipulated and got us into the godawful mess of Iraq. Hope this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to prosecuting the bunch.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40 neil — Pach is in the courtroom, if he’s at the courthouse and can’t comment from there.
Thanks. He’s got the training to read Judy like an open book.
Thanks newtoner@67…..It’s a match!
I read (somwhere) the possibility that Judy Miller is ex-CIA or NSA-type herself?
and will the FAKE anthrax letter sent to her in 2001 come up?
edit : now I know what EPU’ed is
I kinda like the idea that the democrat lawyer (Wells)is defending his client in the most effective way possible by making the whole Bush administration look like a bunch of liars. It’s really a win win for us!!
Worth the day off…for sure.
I dreamed I swayed the jury in my maidenform bra!
A wannabe.
Judy raises her finger waves and and shakes her head no.
I don’t really think she’s in any position to be making demands.
dqueue @ 79
Thanks for passing the link along — it was interesting seeing an outsider’s impression of us. I posted a link at DU, so she may be getting some additional traffic.
David Ehrenstein @ 105
Yes, and one more reason for her jealosy of Valerie Plame.
HappyDays @ 95
It appears that the judge is not going to allow questions about Judy’s sources on Wilson — only on Wilson’s wife. But you’re right, she probably ‘won’t remember’ any more of them….
49 – I will match you through snail mail. Don’t do Pay Pal.
David Ehrenstein @ 98
oh, allow me.
[FITZ]
Where’d you come from?
[JUDY]
The Gray Lady
[FITZ]
And your beat there?
[JUDY]
Dubya-emm-dee.
[FITZ]
Where were they, now?
[JUDY]
Didn’t have ‘em.
[JEFFRESS]
But she was hired to take a look
[JUDY]
And I even wrote a book!
(ducking and running)
Am I right in surmising that all this drama with Bennet is an indication that Judy is perilously close to pleading the 5th?
mrJJ @ 44
Well, if Bush says it, it must be a lie.
ccmask @ 101
Today is the first day I’ve been able to follow live – this is so good… Priceless!
“Mr. Judge, can you please ask me the question, it will be so much easier than hearing it from this evil Mr. Jeffries!” said clutching chest.
Marcy has indeed mastered the art of appropriate dramatic pauses.
(Insert the Power Room scene from All About Eve)
Tithonia @ 82
Judy has long had the rep of sleeping with her sources. I believe it goes back to her days when she was living with and reporting on Les Aspin. Maureen Dowd also in her famous takedown of Judy alluded to her “trope” for powerful men.
SharonRB @ 107
Uh oh! I may get an earful, but that’s ok. ;-)
…Bush also said during his interview with prosecutors that he had never directed anyone to disclose the identity of then-covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, Wilson’s wife. Bush said he had no information that Cheney had disclosed Plame’s identity or directed anyone else to do so.
Say that under oath, motherfucker.
Pat_AlexVA @ 83
Wow! That’s quite a jump!
Just sent $57 via Paypal in appreciation for this historical work.
I am thrilled to read and be a part of this.
Back during Watergate I had to wait each morning for what the Post felt could be released. Here it all is before me. And, I can read it in the presence of friends and get their reactions. Fantastic!!!
I hope this question goes through, I hate to think Walton is going to cover for someone else in this putrid admin.
Sorry to go off topic firepups,but I’ve just come in from reading that Malkin is now calling Lara Logan”incompetent” and implying that she got her footage straight from Al Qaeda.
Correction;she hides behind Nibras Kazimi for this assertion.My bad.
Thus ends my report from behind enemy lines,I think I need a shower(dare I brave RedState?Nahhh,the mind can only take so much)
re: neil 68
useful idiot or war-selling collaborator, reading list includes:
“Judy Miller’s War” by Alex Cockburn, 18 August 2003
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn08182003.html
Fitz is signaling this Q & A is not important to the prosecution, moreover not important at all. In addition, he breaks the tension. Fitz has a way of being innocent, sometimes mischevious and at the same time masterful and in control. He has a gift and he uses it for what is right and good.
She was LYING then, and NOW.
I just gotta say…the lengthy bold comments and the quoting of lengthy bold comments is not helping the servers.
That is all.
neil@51: [con]text wins.
the antithesis @ 64
It’s not running, she’s trying to keep it from growing evertime she lies.*G*
awesome job marcy. this is a blast, i feel like i’m there
I will buy the book and thank you for all you are doing… You and FDL are Priceless…
Judy’s next move should be toward musical theater.
Or performance art.
Redford, no ad libbing for laughs.
Meryl, the finger/head shaking thing was really good, but can you roll your eyes while looking at the camera next time? And toss your hair a little bit.
Okay, let’s take it from the top…
p.lukasiak @ 70
Or, she may not want to answer because Scooter is the scapegoat as he claims. Could Bush and Cheney be the ultimate sources? All that work on her back to cozy up to the neocons and she ends up being the tool that gets them impeached. I have a hard time believing Cheney and Bush are NOT the original leakers.
Fascinating stuff.
What I get out of it between the lines is that JM knew very well what Libby was up to. What I’d like to know is why she didn’t bite. My best guess is that it wasn’t enough of a story.
But as for her being a tool, she is a thorough and complete tool who willingly traded with the Bush administration; access for scoops which greatly enhanced her career and in return she printed their propaganda. A great bunch of pals.
I don’t know if she’s among the most deserving of journalists for a misfortune of this kind, but she’s right up there.
I hope this sordid mess undoes a few journalists; they needed a purging where it hurts: their careers.
jess @ 66
How could anyone sleep with anyone named “Scooter”?
Coming out of sidebar, Walton got rid of the jury to fight out this conversation.
Woodhall Hollow @ 36
I think she’s just desperately trying to keep her story straight so she can tell it the same way she did (eventually) to the grand jury. It’s certainly good Fitz has more reliable witnesses to Scooter’s earlier knowledge, because in a he-said-she-said between Judy and Scooter, I don’t think a jury would believe either of them.
Sitting here in Germany, i just explained to my wife the significance of what was happening here. Open source journalism. The tipping point against MSM Goebbels professional propaganda. Then to learn CNN has a screenshot of FDL on some big show!
Vielen Dank, take back america!
Steven Hychka @ 121
Steven, I remember those days. I had to wait for the dribs and drabs the Albuquerque Journal would give us on the latest. This is living!
136–I think JM pitched the story but at that point, her editors had understandably lost faith in her.
i just got here – im trying to read marcy’s transcripts and the comments thus far – phew!my pres candidate[feingold] was on the c-span talking tough so i watched him for awhile but i’m drawn here marcy you’re the bomb lol
my comment didnt get thru- i’ll try again
From the start of “Judy Two”:
Bitch is a third-base coach…
Maybe they should subpeona her notebooks, since she’s so hopelessly and ” Largely. largley text-driven.”
The impression here is that there will perhaps be an important announcement during the course of the Libby trial.
midwestvoter @ 135
this case is not about leakers
RBG @
128
Sorry about #145. Won’t happen again.
Am picturing Jennifer Jason Leigh as Marcy.
newtonusr @144 — more like a pitcher (Mark “the Bird” Fidrych) — or maybe Lou Skeezix (sp?) for you real oldtimers.
If you can stomach Tucker Carlson, Shuster is on MSNBC with big update.
Marcy,
Do you sense any blog envy from the print and broadcast journalists in the room knowing full and well that you are scooping all of them in both context and real time?
newtonusr @ 144 — more like Mark “the Bird” Fidrych or for some real oldtimers, Lou Skeezix (sp?)
Crazy Horse @ 139
Bitte!
That was almost as funny as Judy’s “I glanced at it.”
juslin @ 144
Sometimes they don’t show up right away. Try hitting “refresh comments” once before concluding that it was lost.
What’s the update? Love to know how the MSM is handling this.
My dogs have a question for Judy.
How was it riding the scooter through those Aspens?
Did you bump into a tree to cause your memory lapses?
How could anyone sleep with anyone named “Scooter”?
Whenever I hear “Scooter,” I just keep seeing a dog dragging its butt across the lawn after it has . . .er . . .relieved itself.
update over. can’t stand to listen to Tucker. leaving tv room now.
SharonRB @ 151
Or the burly right-handed hitter from the 80’s – can’t remember his name, but he would get to the plate and practically do a rain-dance between pitches… who was that?
I’m trying to limit my refreshes to every 30 minutes. It’s becoming quite difficult to find anything else on the interwebs that’s this interesting.
stuffonmycat, fark, kittenwar, rawstory, huffpo, is it time yet?
Sorry for the dupe above — I got a server error and didn’t think the first post posted.
I think traffic has already picked up after the CNN story.
While we are waiting…. With all this high drama going on, and some really horrendous and scary stuff happening in Iraq, what was the ABC Evening News lead story last night? Barbaro having to be put down. Now, I feel badly that a horse had to be put to sleep (can’t spell euthanized), but the lead story?!? Come on!
Totally lost. Just swimming in information overload now. Looking for clarification in comments, posts, and of course the excellent live blogging.
I feel like a guy with a French language guidebook (I would like the croissant please)who stumbled into a Symposium on Deconstructing Text at the Sorbonne.
But it’s all good, all good and THANK YOU for this fascinating view of bacterial culture at its finest, er, lowest!!!
with aspens as well! but where oh where is maf54?
Folks, the servers are swamped. Please be judicious in refreshing and reloading. Thanks.
When I EPU, the dog gets up and walks out of the room.
watertiger @ 159
Yup. Me 2.
newtonusr @ 161
Perhaps you are referring to Mike Hargrove, the Human Rain Delay? Was the manager of the Indians,I think the manager of the Seattle Mariners now. Although wasn’t Hargrove a lefty? His between pitch ritual was interminable.
Corry
I guess this delay means good news in that we get to see Judy on the stand again TOMORROW!
I’m hoping that Mr. and Mrs. Joe 24 pak are paying attention to this trial.
“Look, I know what lie I’m going to tell — can I just give it to you, and you figure out what the question is afterward?”
zeppo @ 164
Too bad every American soldier killed is not given the same honor every night on the news. I’m glad we have the internet.
newtonusr @ 160
Mike Hargrove, the Human Rain Delay
midwestvoter: “I have a hard time believing Cheney and Bush are NOT the original leakers.”
Actually, it’s a known fact that Cheney was the first to divulge Plame’s occupation and status to Libby, and probably others.
However, they can’t quite get Dick on the leak (oh yeah, pun definitely intended) because he only ‘leaked’ to people who already had clearance, like Libby.
So, in order to prosecute Dick, you’d have to show that he ordered the leaks. And no one’s talking.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 170
I/m doing my best.
neil @
126
Yes, and he is also voicing what many in the jury may be wondering, too!
I’ve CNN on in the background.
While they are “covering” the trial the big thing they want to talk about is Tyra Banks being called fat.
Now like many I think this is a serious issue, what with obesity epidemic and self esteem and image issues for girls, but as top of the news over and over?
Kelven @ 37 I think Judy realizes this is only the beginning of her gauntlet of humiliation as she gets flushed down the toilet of the cult of personality. Bwahahahah!!!
Neil @ ? She was an accomplished reporter who rubbed shoulders with the highest aids in the WH. She had a great career. Not everyone appreciated her; she rubbed some people the wrong way. Her “principled stand” on First Amendment rights was a plausible story but it was as much about money as rights. She’s got cuaght in the crossfire and lost her job. We could talk about her reporting on WMD. That goes to getting it right or wrong and methods. Is she an idealogue, a tool? I doubt it.
Richmond @ 87 Journalists who worked with her (whom I know) hated her. She lost her job because she was found out for her egregious (sorry e) misrepresentations. On WMD – there were lots of other POV out there at the time that were accurate (i.e. no WMD). She chose not to use these sources. She was/is dishonest, immoral, an ideologue, and a tool. And that is just the beginning.
I think you know a lot more about her than I do. I try to give people the benefit of doubt when it comes to their motivations until I learn facts that lead me to conclude otherwise.
Your’re currently in second place in the Marcy Wheeler Cogent Brevity Contest.
Bionic,
MSM= MORE SHIT MEDIA.
corry342 @
168
Prolly lefty, that’s him.
CNN now — James Baker back to the prime directive-spinning for Bush.
Plus a vidbrief on The Decider vs. The Sole Decider. Specter appearing soon.
Does it strike you guys that BushCo’s up to its collective necks in pig wallow and they’re desperately trying to taunt and challenge any and everyone to cut off their funds so they can say, nyah, nyah, now whatever happens, it’s all their fault. [given Specter’s midnight raid on the USAs, I wouldn’t put it past him to be spinning for Bush on this one, too.]
But even if Bush manages to extricate himself from the pig wallow, he’s still gonna smell like sh*t.
Are people in the courtroom pronouncing Niger
“NYE-jer” (the American pronunciation)
“Nee-ZHAIR” (the French pronunciation
or “Nye-ZHEER” (the Charlie Rose/idiot pronunciation)?
to think I initially felt bad for Judy way back when…
that had nothing to do with her “relationships”
more to do with her going to jail and Novak being on the outside.
btw, I don’t think Judy is Scooter’s type
Whose on first?
I guess that sound I heard was a wrench being thrown into the gears, and that’s what stopped the motor from running.
It’s hard for us mortals to see why Miller can’t be asked these questions. It’s obvious that someone else talked to her about Wilson/Plame. While it would certainly have been nice to have found that out in the Grand Jury, now’s as good a time as any. Surely it has to do with Miller’s truthfulness as a witness, and Libby’s guilt or innocence.
Christy, Help! What’s going on?
Nina Totenberg: “At best a ditz, at worst a liar.” 707.
I want the Justice Department to clarify this administration’s perception of the ’separation of powers’. Particularly regarding the issue of war. Where are the Demos on this issue?
Cut the funds off for Iraq!
JeffinBerlin @ 34
Hear, hear! No reason on earth why they shouldn’t give the P Prize to these brave, innovative, brilliant and wonderful people.
katie Jensen @ 103
DemocratIC Lawyer. :)
Mickey, can you spell B-O-L-T-O-N? I knew we could.
Looks like Libby is scooting down the toilet.
Fitz. There’s no right to impeach on irrelevant issues. [?] I’m sorry, I’ll take a timeout. If [the war] is going to be tried in this trial, we’ve got to bring cots.
Sense of humor. Second tme this atfernoon. I think the case is going quite well for Fitz.
How about a lying ditz.
Anyone understand what they’re doing right now? I don’t.
F’k Judy. Figuratively speaking of course.
Feith the other source?
or someone in state department/pentagon out to screw the CIA?
new thread
Sorry, haven’t made it through all comments yet but this response struck me:
If true, he told Ari “CPD” and Miller “WINPAC”.
This strikes me as significant. While it may not have much bearing on the specific charges on trial, it brings up a lot of questions, for me in the larger picture of the whole thing.
W. Hollow at #112
No. It’s about protecting the confidentiality of sources, and Jeffers deliberately provoked this moment to provide drama to the jury. Jeffers is asking her point blank about other souces re Wilson, which Judy does not want to answer because of source protection issues. Defense probably calculates that jury will not be sympathetic to a reporter asserting the right to keep things secret.
Prairie Sunshine – Yes. If you ask neocons why Vietnam was lost, it was b/c Congress cut off funds, and it could have been won if we were just “tough” enough (this ties in to the “stomach” theme Cheney pushes as well), and the Dem Congress was to blame; had nothing to do with being perceived as imperialists or the popularity of the nationalist movement. Pat Buchanan, among others, is big on pushing this position. I don’t think among the general public it has any weight, but they push it regardless, cause there is no way the US could ever lose a war, not to a third
divisionworldteamcountry.IANAL, but I think they’re arguing about the relevance of Judy’s other sources…Fitz saying it’s irrelevanet to teh perjury charges, Libby’s lawyers saying it’s suspicious that she doesn’t remember schitte except against Libby…
Homage a Marcy’s Beer Thirty!
I can’t think of anyone who could do what you folks are doing. That includes court reporters. They can’t/don’t supply comment along with a running dialog. Terrific!
Steve – You are correct.
Bionic @ 179
Tyra Banks is on the cover of this week’s People, which just happens to be owned by Time Warner, which also owns CNN. Can’t you smell the corporate synergy?
ahhh old judy’s getting her just desserts IMHO shes been a shill for the neocons and a “trope” too i see lol
FreddyMoraca @ 125. Thanks!
EW (or Christy or LHP or Pach or whoever) am I right in inferring that Wells is trying hard to insert/create noise by trying to get Judyjudyjudy to talk about where she got information about other stuff besides the Wilsons, and Good Judge Walton is firmly squashing him?
*insert over the top EW worship here*
If Miller heard from other sources then it supports defense argument that Libby is simply the fall guy for Rove et al. Plus it’s like a graymail defense – slowing down the trial and creating an argument for appeal.
watertiger @ 159
Don’t dogs do that when they have worms?
Fitzmas @ 171
Oh, darn. I really have to go back to work tomorrow and won’t be able to keep up like I did today. I wish were independently wealthy and didn’t have to work!
ccmask @
49
A lurker seeing your $50 and adding $10
($60 total)
Tithonia @ 82
Maureen Dowd famously said that Judy had a “tropism” toward powerful men….I think I’m getting that mostly accurate. Presumably Mo would know, at least to some degree, having worked at the NYT with Judy. To what degree “tropism” implies sexual contact, who knows except the parties involved.
watertiger @
120
Agreed, under oath or resign. Cock-knocking son of a bitch.
ole chris is running his spin now on hardball lol
Damiana – Yes (Though you didn’t ask me).
I’m confused about Tweety saying that Libby admitted Wilson was sent by Cheney. I didn’t catch that in any of the testimony today. Did anyone else?
guitarplayingbastard at 216 – agree!
Fitzmas @ 153
And that when we read or watch their news stories, we can identify their errors and bias without further research.
MT — you’re a blazing amalgam of reporter and keyboard. Thanks so much. Keep up the good work.
We should pitch in for a manicure
Tweety didn’t look good last night from Vegas
and he was drooling…
Someone said he has diabetes…
Jack
Here’s something I’m not clear on: Judy has said that she doesn’t think her notation “Valerie Flame” came from Libby. Yet according to Bennett’s proffer she doesn’t recollect other sources on the Plame angle. So how can she really know that “Valerie Flame” didn’t come from Libby?
Hi everybody. Long-time lurker delurking to express extreme gratitude for management’s superior, historic live blog, and to salute all your delightful commentary!
I remember waiting for the newspaper during Watergate, too. Gawd, it was torture, but reading about it was what put you right there in the haunted WH halls with Tricky Dick’s paranoia. The live-blog format, with its immediacy, surpasses WGate reporting.
Congratulations and thanks again!
Evil Parallel Universe @ 218
Thanks EPU, you rock!
Scooter Fibby!
So how can she really know that “Valerie Flame” didn’t come from Libby?
She forgot. She has no independent memory. She remembers she remembered at one point in the past, but thereafter forgot, and she can’t remember when that forgetting took place. Plus she doesn’t have her shopping bag of notes with her to refresh her memory as to when she remembered and forgot.
Amazon shipped today!
Hi this is Judith Miller speaking to you about a miracle memory restorative: ginkgo balboa ‘now with aspen extract!’
When you have forgotten what you remember you remembered forgetting there’s really only one supplement you need!!!
Nancy Drew @ 212
Actually, since you asked, it’s when they have inflamed or abcessed anal sacs.
litigatormom @ 224
why do you think Judy is so nervous?
remember how she said that once she finished a notebook, she went through it and created a “table of contents” for it?
Judy remembers who told her Valerie Flame… her problem is that she testified that she didn’t remember to the grand jury. She’s got her ass in a perjury trap, and I think everyone knows it, including Walton. He just wants to make sure that when its sprung, it doesn’t screw up the prosecution’s case.
Is Judy, perhaps, a pathological liar? Not just about this case, but about most everything else (at least in her professional life)?
I would assume that’s not a good trait for a reporter (obvious understatement).
judy is in the category of useful idiot but im sure she doesnt see it that way at all…… these types have nooooo moral compass
Prairie Sunshine @
183
Yeah! I think this is what they are doing. Bush, “We’re trying real hard to win the war, if you don’t care about that fine, but its not my fault we lost, GO AHEAD, CUT OFF MY FUNDS” taunt taunt.
Thanks EW–just reading your transcript has me exhausted–beer or a few deserved. Hoist one or more for the values the site and you promote in my name. Book and a few bucks on the way–at least I hope the book is.
anyone here watch speaker pelosi’s report of her iraqi trip? i thought she was forceful this afternoon
This whole thing is about a crisis in the media, and it is playing out perfectly with the propaganda tools taking the stand, one after another. Without the media, there was going to be no war.
P. Lukasiak-
Judy remembers who told her Valerie Flame… her problem is that she testified that she didn’t remember to the grand jury. She’s got her ass in a perjury trap, and I think everyone knows it, including Walton. He just wants to make sure that when its sprung, it doesn’t screw up the prosecution’s case.
Who is he? Fitzgerald? Do you think it is someone else besides Libby?
Watching this blog in action sure puts paid to Bill Gates’ vision of our future comm-works.
I think Libby and Miller were both tap dancing to AIPAC war with Iraq music.
… some time late 2005 check patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
was noted *Judy* speaking pillow talk with
Cheney
not Libby.
hence that would be the source she is valiantly protecting, whilst Scooter
is thrown under the bus and deservedly so ..
to be the first thrown in the clink with more to follow.
all valiantly attempting to remember the ‘parsed’ information provided and protecting the guilty guilty vs just getting the guilty
RE: BAY STATE LIB @223 ABOVE
i noticed the same thing about tweety. he really looked bad last night. did you hear him say hillary has no record and the people of new york only voted for her(twice)cause she’s a “victim”? hillary is not who i would want to see nominated, but that was sick.
JGabriel @
51
All good trial lawyers plan their witness examinations in advance. They have certain objectives in mind and those objectives have to do with creating the building blocks with which they plan to create a convincing closing argument.
The separate statements that Libby made regarding Plame’s employment are now in the transcript and I expect Fitz will display them to the jury during his closing argument, or rebuttal to slam the defense argument, which is the point that you made in your comment. Fitz has no reason to do anything more at this point. If someone on the defense team noticed the difference, they will have to figure out how to explain it. One way would be to have Libby explain it, but that means he will have testify and, as the days pass and the evidence mounts, he has more and more to explain.
Explaining one or two things might work, however, the more that he has to explain the less likely that his explanations will seem credible. Ultimately, he may be like that character in an adult party game where the player has to touch a box on the floor with some part of his/her body, or remove an item of clothing.
I’ve finally figured out why the aspens are quaking. They are picturing a naked and pretzelized Scooter on the witness chair. Holy Moly, Batman.
cathy @ 239
Heck of a good point! And let us ALL remember that Walton read the damage assessment from the CIA. He sees that the key to the larger case requires that this one be narrowly drawn.
A Blast from the past…
Bush Directed Cheney To Counter War Critic
President Bush told the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case that he directed Vice President Dick Cheney to personally lead an effort to counter allegations made by former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV that his administration had misrepresented intelligence information to make the case to go to war with Iraq, according to people familiar with the president’s interview.
Bush also told federal prosecutors during his June 24, 2004, interview in the Oval Office that he had directed Cheney, as part of that broader effort, to disclose highly classified intelligence information that would not only defend his administration but also discredit Wilson, the sources said.
But Bush told investigators that he was unaware that Cheney had directed I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, the vice president’s chief of staff, to covertly leak the classified information to the media instead of releasing it to the public after undergoing the formal governmental declassification processes.
Bush also said during his interview with prosecutors that he had never directed anyone to disclose the identity of then-covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, Wilson’s wife. Bush said he had no information that Cheney had disclosed Plame’s identity or directed anyone else to do so.
http://news.nationaljournal.co…..703nj1.htm
John Price @
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Demented, absolutely demented. Terrific comment. Completely cracked me up.
Thanks.
I can see it now. Live blog from “The U.S. Supreme Court” Scalia would love that!
cathy (239) –
I think you’re right.
And I think she really wrote “Flame”, like Fla-may originally, because the first time Scooter mentioned it the name didn’t jibe for some reason.
Scooter referred to Plame using what sounded like a French pronunciation when divulging to Fleischer — it was Plah-may.
[EDIT: This suggests to me that the original transmission to Scooter was NOT oral, but in writing; he interpreted a written name to have a French pronunciation, which was relayed at least twice. When was it corrected?]
Judy worked the Paris desk for NYT, should have a grasp of French. Bet you dollars-to-beignets that she originally interpreted the name to be more like “Flah-may”, similar to “Flambe” (no accent mark allowed in WordPress comments, sorry – should be pronounced “Flahm-bay” en francais).
punaise — you lurking? want to see if this makes sense to you?
newtonusr @
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That was the former manager of the Cleveland Indians and present manager of the Seattle Mariners, Mike Hargrove.
Perhaps Marcy should devote her post-trial writing attentions to the script for the 3-part docu-mini-series (this trial practically screams for it).
TREASON AT THE ST. REGIS Starring Stanley Tucci as The Press Secretary; Louis Gossett, Jr., as The Judge; Kevin Costner as The Prosecutor; Carrie Fisher as The Woman WMD Reporter (Cher being unavailable); Ken Osmond as The Scooter, and James E. Jones as The Voice of The Shooter. Narrated by Harry Shearer, with closed-caption titles by Al Franken.
mrJJ @ 245
Wow, this is a smoking gun! I don’t believe that I read this before you posted it here. Given what we now know about the scope of the disinformation and lying by this criminal administration to garner support for invading Iraq, Bush must have specifically ordered Cheney to undertake a campaign to discredit Joe Wilson because he knew Wilson was telling the truth.
I have assumed that Bush was behind the effort to discredit Wilson because it’s the kind of mean-spirited and unnecessary thing that he would do and I’ve never believed that anyone in his administration would have done it on their own.
The plot thickens, don’t it?
Wife thinks Tweety had a botox reaction and didn’t realize he was drooling! Marcy Keep up the Great work! 50.07 to assist!
Wild spec, no real work to back it up
0. Ari to Libby, I’m leaving the WH
1. Libby to self: good I can make you spread the word
2. Libby to Ari: Plame, CPD, hush hush.
3. Ari and Condi to everyone: Wilson’s wife, go looksee
4. Libby to self: oops, this will get back to me
5. Libby to Judy: please bail me out of this by
– a. obfuscating, now it’s WINPAC (lesser offense)
– b. blame this on Ari, as Outgoing Hill Staffer
6. Judy to Libby, sure thing.
starts to muddy the waters at NYT with WINPAC, Hill Staffer.
Adding this for the archives…
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #387 in Books
Quite a jump today. Yesturday was around 2300 I believe…
#168 Neil, When my dog EPU’s, I get up and leave the room.
neil @
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Later. It was quite the drama though. I think I developed a psychological Judy profile, though. At least a good working hypothesis. Brought me right back to my clinical diagnostic days.
mui @
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She would seem to be more qualified to be a Fashion editor (a la “The Devil Wore Prada”) than someone who could actually INVESTIGATE issues relating to WMD. Seems like if the material wasn’t immediately fed to her the previous week it was washed from her memory unless she had her notes.
Did she ever take any exams without crib-sheets hidden behind her dark sunglasses or wrapped up in her ’sniffle’ tissues?
Actually I will bet 100/1 that her memory was not nearly so bad as she asserted in that first round of GJ queries…she was simply “fishing” for what Fitz already had on Libby and her other sources and decided to make “memory revisions” when she realized the depth of the Prosecutors investigation.
Jeffress is thus having a field day with this. But the reality is that memory is ALWAYS improved with notes or context. Associations come back as different neural pathways are triggered with additional information. it’s really a silly DEFENSE strategy. After all, both sets of attorneys use exhibits and present documents to witnesses to “refresh” their memory. Memory is never isolated from context.
But that said, it seems very odd that Judy couldn’t recall her meetings with Libby about Wilson on the very eve of it exploding into a huge situation…and then losing that stuff after a year of her fighting about SOURCES regarding Wilson and Plame for over two years.
Why fight Fitz’s subpoenas if you NEVER HAD a meeting with Libby that needed protection. You can’t protect a “source” that never existed! So Miller did recall meetings with Libby that related directly to these issues. She simply refused to testify about them…she didn’t actually FORGET THEM.
But I don’t see how this goes to the heart of Fitz’s PHYSICAL Evidence that shows that she had, in fact, had meetings with Libby that discussed Wilson and Plame.
Hugh @
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Maybe that’s why she didn’t recognize Libby in Aspen…he was dressed in his Nudie Cowboy “Dude Ranch” outfit rather than his (birthday) suit ;-)
BTW Could the references to ASPENS in the notorious letter actually be a reference to “Les Aspin”??? That’d be a new twist! Blackmail?
Most think it has something to do with the Borglike interactions of the “Aspen Group”, the policy-wonk group that she, Libby, Cheney and many other neo-Conservatives (and some others) belonged to.
Sparkles the Iguana @
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Maybe she was implying “trollopism”!
Sebastian Dangerfield @
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Horrific Image of a young Rush Limbaugh demonstrating his medical impairment to his Draft Board!
Pachacutec @
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oh.goody! Hope there are sufficient maps to same, ’cause I’m ‘multi-tasking’ with “real life” around here & I’m countin’ on ya Pach, if only for background understanding of these …. [words cannot suffice]
Thanks ALL!
Mason @
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VP Notes after Libby Meeting: “…sacrifice the guy [this President] asked to stick his neck in the meat grinder …,” :) :)
http://wid.ap.org/documents/li…..X53201.PDF
Mason @
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VP Notes after Libby Meeting: “…Not going to protect one staffer and sacrifice the guy
the Pres.asked to stick his neck in the meat grinder because of the incompetance of others …,” :) :)THE PRES = THE PRESIDENT
Bush asked Libby to doi more than simply go through normal channels to declassify parts of the NIE!!!
He asked him to put his neck in the guillotine! I guess he didn’t actually like martyrdom after all!
http://wid.ap.org/documents/li…..X53201.PDF
Here is a nice TITLED LIST of links to the Governments and Libby Defense Submitted Exhibits.
LIBBY TRIAL EXHIBITS/DOCUMENTS
I noticed that nothing related to the testimony and exhibits that were used in the Judy Miller examination is on there yet.
Frustrating…because I so, so, so wanted to see if she put a little accent above the at the end of Valerie Flam.
Judy on Digital Age with James Goodale. GJ discussioni starts at minute 23.
http://video.google.com/videop…..p;q=judith miller digital age
What was great about Jimi Hendrix as a guitarist was that he set a new standard for electric guitar. Through his creative and technical virtuosity, Hendrix brought to fore a new universe of music.
And that’s what you’ve done, emptywheel. You’re the Jimi Hendrix of live blogging.
Great coverage and very entertaining! I’m going to look into this book thing of which there has been much mention.
On a heavier note–what if Libby was trying to protect others and they all hung him out to dry…including Miller? If Miller’s stalling tactics were never really about Libby but were about someone else, a lot of what has been going on makes sense. Not that that protects Libby from any of the charges he now faces…since they are not actually about the leak itself.
If this theory is correct then Fitzgerald’s decision to simply prosecute on perjury is brilliant since he can start going after anyone who lied as the conspirators cop pleas…without caring whether they actually can be proved to have broken the 82 Act or not.
Of course, that theory would presuppose that all the players in the conspiracy have actually been deposed and committed perjury…which I’m beginning to suspect is not the case…so if Fitzgerald’s office starts deposing new players, that would be an indication that he is following that track.
watertiger @ 133
YES!! an NEA grant, and then
a basketful of yams
and speculums for Judy!
and then defund her!