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		<title>By: Batocchio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/afternoon-palate-cleanser/#comment-484979</link>
		<dc:creator>Batocchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why does anyone give any credence to Mickey Kaus?  Has he gotten something right once when I wasn’t looking?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does anyone give any credence to Mickey Kaus?  Has he gotten something right once when I wasn’t looking?</p>
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		<title>By: Penates</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/afternoon-palate-cleanser/#comment-484703</link>
		<dc:creator>Penates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-483541&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Swopa @ 87 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll also add that I don’t get the vituperation being aimed at Dickerson.
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&lt;p&gt;Swopa, perhaps this explains it a bit?:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2147117/&quot;&gt;http://www.slate.com/id/2147117/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-483541"><em>Swopa @ 87 </em></a></p>
<p>I’ll also add that I don’t get the vituperation being aimed at Dickerson.
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<p>Swopa, perhaps this explains it a bit?:<br />
<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2147117/">http://www.slate.com/id/2147117/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Coop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/afternoon-palate-cleanser/#comment-484335</link>
		<dc:creator>Coop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gops always need to be told what to think.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gops always need to be told what to think.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/afternoon-palate-cleanser/#comment-484165</link>
		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-483749&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Everythingseemssoneat @ 195 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;lf- That’s an interesting comment on our culture, I read somewhere that Bush’s parents sent him to anti-gay school.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Andover, Yale or HBS ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-483749"><em>Everythingseemssoneat @ 195 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>lf- That’s an interesting comment on our culture, I read somewhere that Bush’s parents sent him to anti-gay school.</p>
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<p>Andover, Yale or HBS ?</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/afternoon-palate-cleanser/#comment-484158</link>
		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-483650&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sally @ 177 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;GSD @ 163, Matthews has been beating up on Hillary for years. I don’t know what he is afraid of.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Feminine.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-483650"><em>Sally @ 177 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>GSD @ 163, Matthews has been beating up on Hillary for years. I don’t know what he is afraid of.</p>
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<p>The Feminine.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/afternoon-palate-cleanser/#comment-484118</link>
		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-483545&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Frank Probst @ 91 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-483489&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;p.lukasiak @ 44&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Judy wasn’t talking, and I don’t think Scooter blabbed to someone else about leaking to her, so how did Fitz know to go after her? &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Judy showed up in Scooters appointment book…and scooter told the grand jury that he’d told Judy about Valerie….. but claimed that he said only that he’d heard it from other reporters.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s got to be more to it than that. Otherwise, she would have gotten away with the “I don’t remember anything” routine. And if memory serves, Fitz didn’t let her off the hook for her contempt charge until after the second round of testimony. Perhaps someone prompted her to look at that bagful of notebooks that just happened to by lying under her desk? I don’t know. But I DO know that the story right now makes no sense at all. Fitz had her totally boxed in. I just can’t figure out how he did it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s my guess.  She got her agreement to limit the scope of questions. She testified and Fitz sensed she was not completely forthcoming - the woman is an open book and a  complete wreck when she’s nervous. I suspect she has a tells.  Fitz’s and his collegues have good radar and bullshit detectors. Fitz thanked her and cautioned her that if she had not been completely forthcoming, and if his office learned about it from other sources, she we be subject to the full extent of the law.  DING!  Let me just review those nothebooks. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, now that you mention it.  When she found her notebook, it was a at least a few weeks if not months after she first testified. I remember that no one could figure out what prompted her discovery.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-483545"><em>Frank Probst @ 91 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-483489"><em>p.lukasiak @ 44</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>Judy wasn’t talking, and I don’t think Scooter blabbed to someone else about leaking to her, so how did Fitz know to go after her? </i></p>
<p>Judy showed up in Scooters appointment book…and scooter told the grand jury that he’d told Judy about Valerie….. but claimed that he said only that he’d heard it from other reporters.</p>
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<p>There’s got to be more to it than that. Otherwise, she would have gotten away with the “I don’t remember anything” routine. And if memory serves, Fitz didn’t let her off the hook for her contempt charge until after the second round of testimony. Perhaps someone prompted her to look at that bagful of notebooks that just happened to by lying under her desk? I don’t know. But I DO know that the story right now makes no sense at all. Fitz had her totally boxed in. I just can’t figure out how he did it.</p>
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<p>Here’s my guess.  She got her agreement to limit the scope of questions. She testified and Fitz sensed she was not completely forthcoming &#8211; the woman is an open book and a  complete wreck when she’s nervous. I suspect she has a tells.  Fitz’s and his collegues have good radar and bullshit detectors. Fitz thanked her and cautioned her that if she had not been completely forthcoming, and if his office learned about it from other sources, she we be subject to the full extent of the law.  DING!  Let me just review those nothebooks. </p>
<p>Actually, now that you mention it.  When she found her notebook, it was a at least a few weeks if not months after she first testified. I remember that no one could figure out what prompted her discovery.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/afternoon-palate-cleanser/#comment-484085</link>
		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-483495&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;trifecta @ 49 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI&amp;eurl=&quot;&gt;McCain Vs McCain&lt;/a&gt; is the fun new video up at Greenwald/Schecter’s new anti mccain blog. It’s a good thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Cheney will die before January 2009. Morbid, but he is already way past the sell by date with his heart condition.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Cheney “has the big one” in the next two years, I will not watch the state funeral on C SPAN. It’s way too soon to hear the incessant accolades about this great public servant who loved his country more than five deferments and bountiful oils reserves.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-483495"><em>trifecta @ 49 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI&amp;eurl=">McCain Vs McCain</a> is the fun new video up at Greenwald/Schecter’s new anti mccain blog. It’s a good thing.</p>
<p>I think Cheney will die before January 2009. Morbid, but he is already way past the sell by date with his heart condition.</p>
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<p>If Cheney “has the big one” in the next two years, I will not watch the state funeral on C SPAN. It’s way too soon to hear the incessant accolades about this great public servant who loved his country more than five deferments and bountiful oils reserves.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/afternoon-palate-cleanser/#comment-484065</link>
		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-483480&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;p.lukasiak @ 38 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I was wondering when you guys were going to say something about that post at Booman. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Ari was lying — but about Dickinson and Gregory, he is probably misremembering.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What Ari is lying about is why he decided to lawyer up…. his story is basically that he didn’t know there was any controversy over Novak’s outing of Valerie on July 14th….and was “horrified” to think that he might have contributed to the outing of a covert agent when he read the 1×2x6 article on September 28th.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, THAT is simply not credible — unless Ari spent two and a half months under a rock.  IMHO, Ari lawyered up because he realized that the “cover-up” of Plame’s outing wasn’t going to hold — and as someone who was no longer working in the White House, and as the former “press secretary”, he would make the perfect scapegoat.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ari doesn’t need to lie for protection.  He has immunity for the underlying crime.  So if he is lying, he does so at the risk of losing his immunity.  That’s a big risk.  For what purpose wouldhe lie? 1) to save face, seem less creepy, save his reputation and professional viability in the private sector 2) to help out a former worker. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can’t see him risking his immunity for either purpose. If he is lying, and it affects Fitz’s case, we probably won;t hear about until the dust settles.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it’s a non-issue either way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-483480"><em>p.lukasiak @ 38 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>I was wondering when you guys were going to say something about that post at Booman. </i></p>
<p>I think Ari was lying — but about Dickinson and Gregory, he is probably misremembering.</p>
<p>What Ari is lying about is why he decided to lawyer up…. his story is basically that he didn’t know there was any controversy over Novak’s outing of Valerie on July 14th….and was “horrified” to think that he might have contributed to the outing of a covert agent when he read the 1×2&#215;6 article on September 28th.</p>
<p>Sorry, THAT is simply not credible — unless Ari spent two and a half months under a rock.  IMHO, Ari lawyered up because he realized that the “cover-up” of Plame’s outing wasn’t going to hold — and as someone who was no longer working in the White House, and as the former “press secretary”, he would make the perfect scapegoat.</p>
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<p>Ari doesn’t need to lie for protection.  He has immunity for the underlying crime.  So if he is lying, he does so at the risk of losing his immunity.  That’s a big risk.  For what purpose wouldhe lie? 1) to save face, seem less creepy, save his reputation and professional viability in the private sector 2) to help out a former worker. </p>
<p>I can’t see him risking his immunity for either purpose. If he is lying, and it affects Fitz’s case, we probably won;t hear about until the dust settles.  </p>
<p>I think it’s a non-issue either way.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/afternoon-palate-cleanser/#comment-484053</link>
		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;BooMan says that Ari Fleischer may have committed perjury.  While Fleischer is no stranger to big-scale lies, this one doesn’t make any sense to me — why would he blow an immunity deal over something so inconsequential?  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I completely agree.  It’s inconsequential whether Ari did name Plame to Dickinson and Gregory on the Africa trip or didn’t. Wells did not use it to impeach Ari’s testimony. Fitz did not raise it on redirect. If Dickinson is right and Ari didn’t use Plame’s name when he leaked to Dickinson and Gregory nobody really cares, except Slate and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.DavidCorn.com.&quot;&gt;www.DavidCorn.com.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>BooMan says that Ari Fleischer may have committed perjury.  While Fleischer is no stranger to big-scale lies, this one doesn’t make any sense to me — why would he blow an immunity deal over something so inconsequential?  </p>
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<p>I completely agree.  It’s inconsequential whether Ari did name Plame to Dickinson and Gregory on the Africa trip or didn’t. Wells did not use it to impeach Ari’s testimony. Fitz did not raise it on redirect. If Dickinson is right and Ari didn’t use Plame’s name when he leaked to Dickinson and Gregory nobody really cares, except Slate and <a href="http://www.DavidCorn.com."></a><a href="http://www.DavidCorn.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.DavidCorn.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: mrJJ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/afternoon-palate-cleanser/#comment-484018</link>
		<dc:creator>mrJJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BERLIN — German investigators have recommended that prosecutors issue arrest warrants against 13 U.S. intelligence operatives in connection with the kidnapping, beating and secret detention of a German citizen suspected of having links to terrorist networks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The operatives were part of a CIA-sponsored team that transported alleged terrorists to interrogation camps around the world. Investigators say the group forced a handcuffed and blindfolded Khaled Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent, onto a Boeing 737 and flew him from Macedonia to Afghanistan in January 2004. Masri was not charged with a crime and was released after five months.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-cia31jan31,0,485431.story?coll=la-home-headlines&quot;&gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/na.....-headlines&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BERLIN — German investigators have recommended that prosecutors issue arrest warrants against 13 U.S. intelligence operatives in connection with the kidnapping, beating and secret detention of a German citizen suspected of having links to terrorist networks.</p>
<p>The operatives were part of a CIA-sponsored team that transported alleged terrorists to interrogation camps around the world. Investigators say the group forced a handcuffed and blindfolded Khaled Masri, a German citizen of Lebanese descent, onto a Boeing 737 and flew him from Macedonia to Afghanistan in January 2004. Masri was not charged with a crime and was released after five months.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-cia31jan31,0,485431.story?coll=la-home-headlines">http://www.latimes.com/news/na&#8230;..-headlines</a></p>
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