
Raw Story's headline: "GOP talking points encourage using Lieberman to attack Democrats on war." I think it's a bit redundant of Boehner to think Republicans need to be reminded of this, they do it quite axiomatically so I can only imagine this is being done to rub it in the noses of all the Democrats who helped Holy Joe get elected. As Atrios said recently, we tried to warn them....
BooMan says that Ari Fleischer may have committed perjury. While Fleischer is no stranger to big-scale lies, this one doesn't make any sense to me -- why would he blow an immunity deal over something so inconsequential? John Dickerson is telling a different, quite breathless story. But Dickerson has been frantic to call attention to himself during the entire investigation and damn near cried when Fitzgerald wouldn't give him a subpoena, so it's nice that after getting kicked to the curb by Time and toiling in the Slate ghetto for so long he's finally lifting himself out of obscurity by sitting in the courtroom and getting the attention he craves. Far be it from me to defend Ari Fleischer, but Dickerson is no stranger to having abject lies printed under his byline without protest, so I think I'll withhold judgment on this one for the time being.
What the hell is wrong with Florida?
Howie Klein weighs in on Chuck Hagel, who may be positioning himself slightly to the left of Bob Fertik on the war but is also, as Howie reminds us, "a far right Republican who has rubber stamped virtually every stinking turd the Bush Regime has sent careening down the pike." Food for thought for anyone thinking of lifting the pom-poms for Hagel.
This is quite possibly the stupidest article of the week. Hillary Clinton is quaking in her boots because Andrew Sullivan thinks she has cooties? Somehow I don't think so. TBogg sums the situation up quite nicely: "Color me skeptical, but I'm not sure that Mickey Kaus can break a twenty, much less Hillary Clinton."
Maxine Waters and other leaders of the Out of Iraq Caucus will be heading to early Democratic primary states to put the screws to Presidential candidates with regard to Iraq, to find out "who is nuancing and who is tip-toeing." When the heavy lifting needs doing, somehow Maxine Waters is always there and willing to do it.
Mark Schmitt reviews Chuck Schumer's passionate commitment to "half-way-ism." Money quote? "I don't know what a 'Schumer Box' is or how it reduces porn, and I'm not sure I want to know."
Russ Feingold chairs a Committee Hearing today designed to demonstrate that Congress does, in fact, have the authority to compel the withdrawal of troops from Iraq, something the Republicans had no problem asserting during the Clinton administration. Glenn Greenwald takes us for a trip on the Double Talk Express and brings us John McCain: Then & Now. It is, as one would imagine, full of stirring moments of political hackery and hypocrisy, basically what we've come to expect from He Who Shall Not Be Challenged By the Media.
Mercury Rising has a new home. So does Steve Gilliard. Check your bookmarks. (BTW, Steve and Tom Schaller think Big Time is el-bye bye, and Atrios says no. Discuss among yourselves.)
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my contempt for Joe Lieberman has grown so vast that it easily encompasses John McCain as well.
private thread?
I was wondering when you guys were going to say something about that post at Booman.
I’m 100% in agreement with you.
I am so tired of the Hillary ‘evil man’ joke. Who the hell gives a s’t?
Jane!
I do NOT blame the Republicans for the mess this country finds itself in. I blame my (Dem.) party.
Russ Feingold inspires hope.
Hiya Jane
I like the ditch Cheney suggestion..It’s not only a freebee- it will pay big political dividends. Cheney resigns and moderate goopers will assume Clusterfuck forced it and is gaining sanity- and radical goopers will figure that Cheney’s had enough of bein kicked around by the liberal media..
Young Hal dumps Falstaff!!
Classic- don’t know if it will happen- but good drama.
On Iraq. It’s Feingold, Gore, Kucinich, Murtha and other Demos. And yes… Hagel.
Step two: You put your Schumer in a box…
what I wouldn’t give for 100 Russ Feingolds…
Poor JudyJudyJudy. I’m dying to know the backstory here. She says she went to the grand jury and didn’t remember a damn thing. Then she goes to her office, magically finds her old notes, calls up her lawyer, and says, “Oh, THAT CIA agent.” Then she goes BACK and gives a detailed account of her (damning) interactions with Libby.
Nobody’s buying it, girl. You lied through your teeth the first time, and Fitz nailed you for it.
What I still don’t get is this: How did Fitz do it? Judy wasn’t talking, and I don’t think Scooter blabbed to someone else about leaking to her, so how did Fitz know to go after her? And how did he get her to ‘fess up between GJ appearance #1 and GJ appearance #2?
Did they string up ol Scooter yet?
Sorry we’re running a bit slow. At 20,000 hits an hour our servers have never been hit this hard, so thanks to Jamie and John who are keeping us up and humming.
Jane!
Why in the f’k did Judy spend all that time in jail. I don’t have a clue.
Hillary Clinton is quaking in her boots because Andrew Sullivan thinks she has cooties?
I hear it’s Judy Miller that has scooties
WAG about Cheney.
If Poppy Bush wants to save his son’s legacy and his fmaily’s hope of every holding the reins of power in government again (at least openly) I think they have to get rid of Cheney.
If Cheney wants to hold on to power he is going to have to get rid of Bush (and all of Poppy’s minions).
Who will win? I don’t know, but the two sides certainly seem to be working at cross purposes and to differnt ends.
Jane, this is a little showbizzy, but the Plame case is starting to remind me in some ways of the Indecent Exposure scandal at Columbia in the early 80s. Joe Wilson is the wildly charismatic Cliff Robertson type character who blows the thing open, but then it turns out to be so much bigger than him. And let’s hope Begelman is Bush.
Jane Hamsher @
15
this traffic graphic tells the tale. impressive!
Here’s the deal: Iraq, Iran, Israel-Palestine.
kristinejoy @
11
Todays best laugh!
What the hell is wrong with Florida?
The same thing that’s wrong with a lot of other places.
What’s that? Well, here’s a clue: nice, decent people don’t take jobs as prison guards.
Hallo Jane! i (think i) know why you’re trying send the discussion back to the real world, but what just transpired (not counting Frau Miller’s lack of ability to breathe, as chroniblogged by Marcy) on FDL was awesome.
So… Jane, you rock! FDL roars! And perfessers will be analyzing this for years.
I respect Amb.Joe and Valerie Wilson so much more than i despise…
Ahh, i can’t believe what an Ellsburgian gift they have given the nation.
Jane Hamsher @ 14
Hooray for FDL! Thank you, Jane, and everyone involved. Your coverage is excellent.
punaise @ 2
Really funny!
What would the political lanscape look like on Wednesday, if Gore announced he was running tomorrow?
Jane: “Steve and Tom Schaller think Big Time is el-bye bye, and Atrios says no. Discuss among yourselves.”
Hmm.
I suspect that Cheney will be eased out, possibly forced out by scandal, at some point in the next two years. If only because no useful action can be taken against Cluster Fuckwit until Cheney is gone, much as Agnew had to be forced out before going after Nixon.
But I wouldn’t place any large bets on it yet. Small bets, maybe. I don’t imagine Dick would be making as many TV and interview appearances as he has lately, if his departure were imminent.
Loved this oldie-goldie McCain quote you linked Jane:
…..And if we do not do that and other Americans die, other Americans are wounded, other Americans are captured because we stay too long–longer than necessary–then I would say that the responsibilities for that lie with the Congress of the United States who did not exercise their authority under the Constitution of the United States and mandate that they be brought home quickly and safely as possible. . . .
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.....owers.html
Oklahoma kiddo @ 27
Better!
my 50 cent bet is Cheney is gone in 25 days…
no particular reason - just a confluence of the scooter trial and other crap…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 28
Oh, if only! I think he will run, but there’s no way he’ll announce before the Oscars. I just joined up with a group here in Michigan working on a draft Gore campaign. Stay tuned…I don’t know how long he’ll wait, but I do think he’ll jump in.
Jane Hamsher @
15
Time to pony-up… See PayPal link top-right!
neil @ 27
yeah, those two knuckleheads are such a laugh that they’ll be forming the Spew-nity ‘08 ticket.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 28
I think that Gore will run. It won’t hurt Gore to bide his time and let Hillary and the others spin their wheels and spend their money. Gore will keep his money in a lockbox til its time to use it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
For protection. From her daddy.
I was wondering when you guys were going to say something about that post at Booman.
I think Ari was lying — but about Dickinson and Gregory, he is probably misremembering.
What Ari is lying about is why he decided to lawyer up…. his story is basically that he didn’t know there was any controversy over Novak’s outing of Valerie on July 14th….and was “horrified” to think that he might have contributed to the outing of a covert agent when he read the 1×2x6 article on September 28th.
Sorry, THAT is simply not credible — unless Ari spent two and a half months under a rock. IMHO, Ari lawyered up because he realized that the “cover-up” of Plame’s outing wasn’t going to hold — and as someone who was no longer working in the White House, and as the former “press secretary”, he would make the perfect scapegoat.
newtonusr @ 23
Britney Spears showed her Schumer to the world, but my Schumer is just for you!
(With apologies, I like Schumer, but I couldn’t resist!)
“…who is nuancing and who is tip-toeing.” Oh Hillary…
Maxine Waters. ;)
Oklahoma kiddo @
7
Point well taken. Btw, so does Pat Buchanan on Hardball. Then I saw and heard something I never thought I’d see: Reverend Sharpton agreed with him. Said he was loathe to agree, but Democrats in Congress need to stand up. It was all about the legislative branch being the first branch of government, and how their letting the executive branch run all over them. Buchanan says instead of asking the Prez to cite his constitutional right to be the decider, and asking him what he sees the Congress’ role as, they should take back their position in government. I think so too!
p.lukasiak @
38
I would say this is probably the case on one side or the other. Don’t really think there’s much nefarious going on. And as to why he lawyered up — your analysis sounds about right.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 40
Oh Hillaryyyyyy??
Busted by Mad Maxine
Judy wasn’t talking, and I don’t think Scooter blabbed to someone else about leaking to her, so how did Fitz know to go after her?
Judy showed up in Scooters appointment book…and scooter told the grand jury that he’d told Judy about Valerie….. but claimed that he said only that he’d heard it from other reporters.
Bush and Cheney–it’s like the two brothers in the story from “My Antonia.” When the wolves get close enough to the sleigh, the brothers pitch the bride and bridegroom out. But would one pitch the other out? Only Bush could. If it gets bad enough, he’ll push Cheney out to save his presidency (avoid impeachment). Any successor has to be confirmed by the Senate–maybe the whole Congress. That lets Condi out, I suppose.
Frank Probst @
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could it be “the google”?
see also: Rendon Group CEO John Rendon
Andrew Sullivan does teh gays no good with that cootie stuff. And juvenile Fineman repeated it!
I’m on board with “bye-bye-BigTime.” His recent teevee appearances may be an attempt to stave off the push from Poppy’s team. Building cred with the base or some nonsense. One thing we’ve learned thanks to Fitz — this White House isn’t the monolithic message machine it appears; there are factions within factions. I’m still entranced with Scooter asking Addington about CIA agents in the little tiny WH office, then shushing him.
My bet: 3/4/07, BigTime out
But alas, Schumer wants there to be 50% less Schumer in the box. Go fig.
McCain Vs McCain is the fun new video up at Greenwald/Schecter’s new anti mccain blog. It’s a good thing.
I think Cheney will die before January 2009. Morbid, but he is already way past the sell by date with his heart condition.
what a day! having lived through Nixon and Watergate, waiting on the morning paper to find out what was happening every day, this was just an amazing experience here at FDL. can’t thank you enough Marcy. can hardly wait to hear what Pach and JM have to say tonight.
litigatormom @ 39
the mon’s veneer is thin.
congrats go out to the fdler’s, whose libby trial blogging got linked to, (via the word “colorful” in “colorful insight from bloggers”) on cnn’s situation room blog, under the category “libby trial online.”
also, another link on the word “suit” in “patrick fitzgerald’s suit.”
as seen on skippy!
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Jane Hamsher @ 42
I love it when Jane agrees with me! :)
Jane-
You are having way too good a time with this post. Don’t even think of getting too analytical this week. We have Jeralyn and Redd and Marcy and Pach and TRex and Swopa and Peterr and LHP and …
So you keep up this hummingbird-like blogging. You get us up out of our Plamegate obsession to see how the whole world looks.
Fabulous post. Fabulous graphic.
what does it say about the state of this country when two pretty extreme opponents, Pat Buchanan and Al Sharpton agree?
I’m thinking that there isn’t any way Cheney is going to leave voluntarily. He would have to be forced out at gunpoint. To do anything less would be a complete repudiation of everything he stands for, which is complete and total machoism and control over his entire domain. I am not even sure he would quit if Bush asked him to leave. Of course, if Bush went public and said he asked Cheney to resign, then he would have no choice.
I dunno. I just don’t see it, given Cheney’s behavior in the past three years.
ps
Mimikatz @ 45
i thought i was the only one unlucky enough to be forced to read willa cather in school!!
I refuse to agree or trust Pat Buchanon since he scored so high on that butterfly ballot.
p.lukasiak @ 38
Why did he leave the White House, and why at that time? If this has been covered, I’ve forgotten it long ago.
p.lukasiak @ 52
As Siun would say: “nodding…”
I am enjoying a fine 2006 vintage of $2 buck chuck Shiraz in honor of today’s festivities.
Judy Miller isn’t worth splashing out any more cash.
punaise @
21
150,000 visitors a day? A couple of football stadiums passing through the e-turnstiles? That’s a lot of folks, to be sure, but not enough for a nation of 150 million literate, voting-age citizens. (No slight intended, just counting heads.)
What I’m really hoping is this trial will lead to summertime, soap-interrupting, Watergate-style hearings, one that would bring in a million eyes/day. The FDL effort is sewing that seed. Color me optimistic.
Can you imagine all the better reporters Judy fucked over are feeling today?
tiredfed: “what does it say about the state of this country when two pretty extreme opponents, Pat Buchanan and Al Sharpton agree?”
That Cluster Fuckwit really is a uniter?
Phoenix Air America promo on Hagel… Quite good
Republican Do Good
Here is the MP3 for Marcy’s & Jane’s interview on Action Point on Sunday
Action Point - Marcy Wheeler
Big Time is not going anywhere. It’s something the media like to speculate about b/c it is “controversial” and makes a “good” story.
Jane, so good to have you baaaaaack!!
“(BTW, Steve and Tom Schaller think Big Time is el-bye bye, and Atrios says no. Discuss among yourselves.) “
Discussing among aspects of my split personality, they say either
a) Big Time is degrading rapidly in place, let him do so, and don’t wish for a replacement. He is doing great damage to the whole neo-con enterprise and better to have him fresh in the minds of 2008 voters. OR
b) if Fitz or some brave Congressional Committee wants to bring Big Time down, then a lot of others in the neo-con Reichstag will be exposed and many of the Rethug candidates for 2008 will be marred in the process.
Both good outcomes, so relax and enjoy!
Hope you are, Jane.
Tweety is still in Beauty Contest mode, but wasn’t he always? Dear me.
I predict that liveblogging will become THE way that non-televised trials are covered from now on….. all the cable news networks are going to be hiring their own court reporters to provide real time transcripts of big cases…
Whenever Darth hits the road, we need to ferret out all the fucking cronies he’s been stuffing our Government with.
They can follow him back to hell.
Long time ago, when the whole thing broke with Judy Miller I googled her name. Somewhere in my reading (no journalist am I) I remember reading that she has a long standing friendship with the Bush family. I can’t find the source of this and have gone back and can’t find it. Has anyone else uncovered anything similar?? She has been very protective of some other source since the beginning…I know that would be a long shot, but it would explain her passion for the whole Iraq war.
“When in court black is best, the judge will be impressed.”
OT-
Punaise, if you’re here I found another musician I wanted to turn you on to.
Donovan Frankenreiter
http://www.donavonf.com/
http://www.archive.org/search......21;Donavon Frankenreiter Band”
i’m back in the states. began travel 1.5 days ago. dear God i hope its worth it.
hey have you guys saved the nation while i was gone?
Watertiger has a BigTime Birthday Poem…
Jane Hamsher @
15
Yay, Jamie and John!
Yay, Intrepid Mods!
YAY JANE!!!
Look what you went and done. It’s just grand.
welcome home, egregious!
and yes, I’m SURE it was worth it…
Re: rape victim denied Plan B pill in Tampa
The police departments in Tampa and St Petersburg are run by Bull Connor types who think force and intimidation are the primary tools to be used in resolving any type of issue. The health care in our jails is run by private companies, one of Jeb’s tricks to turn state government over to private enterprise. The horror stories coming out of the jails and prisons are too numerous to list and more people have suffered at the hands of these ideologues than I like to think about. In St Petersburg two homeless men are murdered and two days later the Chief of Police, Chuck Harmon, and one of his aides devised a plan to cut up tents set up by the homeless after their original tent city was vacated under mayor Rick Baker’s orders. The murders occurred two days after the the disbanding of the original tent city on St Vincent De Paul’s property. St Vincent’s caved to the heat. Both Tampa and St Petersburg are controlled by the monied interests in town and the rest of us are just fodder for their machines. We of St Pete For Peace and Food Not Bombs are working to change the climate here but it’s definitely an uphill battle. The obsession with the dollar almighty is a strong force to reckon with. Following the courageous behaviour of White Rose, we will not be silent.
Never give up.
egregious @ 71
Glad to see you made it back O.K.! Did your luggage make it with you?
Jane, its so good to have you back. hope you are feeling ok. we missed you lots.
when are you coming to dc?
Fineline @ 66
snipped for brevity
brava/o!
but hoping to celebrate something substantial happening by 3/17
I intend to kick Republican and some Demo butt in the ‘08 run-up. For some of the same, and different reasons.
Crack that egg, Fitz.
egregious @ 73
Hi egregious!
Marcy is doing her damndest!
TeddySanFran @ 74
happy f-in birthday!
Love,
Scooter et. al.
zeppo @ 77
this time it did. going over there, intercepted by someone who destroyed about $1,000 worth of humanitarian supplies for THEIR childrens hospital. normally i would say there followed a long stream of unegregious-like curses but im just too tired :)
Jane Hamsher @
42
FWIW, Newsweek had an article in July ‘05 that echoed Dickerson — i.e., in Africa, Ari/Bartlett hinted strongly that reporters should look into who sent Wilson but didn’t mention his wife.
I’ll also add that I don’t get the vituperation being aimed at Dickerson. The Time article that Media Matters criticizes was entitled “Leaking with a Vengeance,” flatly states that Bushite officials leaked Plame’s identity, and includes these passages:
If that’s our new standard for abject servility towards Bush, then hell, let’s throw a party, ’cause the Wurlitzer must be fully dismantled.
good grief i go on one tiny little trip yesterday/today and miss both addington and judyjudyjudy?
keep up the good work guys.
tomorrow i catch up on my sleep, resume healthy eating habits :o and regain the capacity to use capital letters. since i live in the capital.
Could anybody else picture Gilda Radner still alive, portraying Baba Wawa asking Judy what kind of tree she would like to be?
Aspen of course.
Anyways, I am getting to that point where I think deadeye dick might just resign for “health reasons” in the next month or two.
If I was of age during the U.S. Cavalry siege on “the people” (Natives), I would have been called a terrorist for trying to throw the occupiers and murderers of our fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, grand-folks and cousins, and others off our land. I would have fought the invaders with everything I had at my disposal.
p.lukasiak @ 44
There’s got to be more to it than that. Otherwise, she would have gotten away with the “I don’t remember anything” routine. And if memory serves, Fitz didn’t let her off the hook for her contempt charge until after the second round of testimony. Perhaps someone prompted her to look at that bagful of notebooks that just happened to by lying under her desk? I don’t know. But I DO know that the story right now makes no sense at all. Fitz had her totally boxed in. I just can’t figure out how he did it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 90
OK Kiddo—
What shall we do with all these illegal immigrants? The ones who started coming over in the 1600’s?
Wo, sitemeter says 15,000 people on in the last hour…
This was a pretty good article….
Smears for Fears
Wes Clark just got caught up in the rigged rules for discussing Israel-related issues in America.
By Matthew Yglesias
http://www.prospect.org/web/pa.....leId=12394
OT but a question for Jane (and others). Sunday (maybe) after the DC protest, you ran a provocative post (by you) questioning the relevance of such social demonstrations. It hit me like cold water. I wasn’t too happy with it, but it made me think. So here is my question, if there had been demonstrations in CT by students and others against the war during the campaign, do you think it would have helped Lamont get over the top? I think it might have, by putting in play the idea that there were different POV.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
So she could get attentiona and write a book.
Can someone tell me what the hell is going on with David Gregory? His job was–and still is–to report on what the White House is saying. The former White House spokeman has just testified that he told David Gregory about Valerie Plame WHILE HE WAS THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY. Seeing as how it’s his job and all, shouldn’t David Gregory tell us his version of that conversation?
Why doesn’t anyone ask David Gregory from NBC what he heard…the guy is getting away with murder, much like Russert.
I think David Gregory is one of the good guys. If you work in the press in DC you cannot print everything you know or else you will be fired. Give him a chance to explain himself in time.
egregious @ 91
‘Grege, it was 1492. This link courtesy Eureka Springs.
What a fantastic palate cleanser! Thank you, Jane, and now, greedily waiting for dessert!
tiredfed >
It suggests that “We the people…” are getting closer to some real change. It could be the start of a real consensus for no more “business as usual”.
But we shall see…
“All successful revolutions are the kicking in of a rotten door.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
HotFlash re 1492 v 1600’s—I don’t care about the occasional visitor, just the ones who stayed and took our land away.
Dod/NSA: this is an intellectual argument. I am not interested in any action to reverse the history of this country over the last 400 years. Thank you.
egregious @ 101
Did yuo see their nice Tshirts? I’m only elegible for the one that says, “I’m part white but I can’t prove it.”
p.lukasiak @ 38
I agree with this.
Jumping ahead to say that the Libby/Ari letter is up at the AP exhibit site as defense exhibit 1647
It reads:
Why does anyone believe John Dickerson?
There’s got to be more to it than that. Otherwise, she would have gotten away with the “I don’t remember anything” routine.
Fitz didn’t just supoena her, he supoenaed her notes — and Judy “forgot” as much as she could, but there was still too much for her to account for in the notes themselves for her to get away with forgetting everything….
Fitz doesn’t really care if Wells impeaches her credibility about her testimony — what is important to Fitz isn’t what Judy says, but what appears in her notes — especially the notes for July 8th. And the only way he can get those notes placed in evidence at trial is to put her on the stand….
I think the problem is that Gregory didn’t actually HEAR Ari.
egregious @ 92
I am here speaking of the so called militants and extremists in Iraq, or for that matter Gaza or anywhere else who don’t like being occupied by a foreign power.
As to people who come here to perhaps escape poverty in their homeland, a good start might be for the U.S. and other wannabe colonists to stop supporting corporate sweat shops in say Mexico, quit ripping off natural resources, and cease supporting corrupt governments like those found in say Egypt and Mexico. And radically raise third world standards of living. Glad to have you with us again. It got kinda lonely, Cherokee Rose. ;0)
@104: Libby has the literary style of a bad romance novelist, doesn’t he? If that exhibit were in colour, my guess is that you’d see he was using purple ink for his purple prose.
egregious @ 98