
(We are thrilled to welcome eRiposte of The Left Coaster to FDL to share his amazing knowledge about the Niger documents, among many other issues involved in the Libby trial and FItzgerald investigation. Graphics love to Cakehead. -- CHS)
[Preface: I'd like to thank Christy/Jane for their gracious invitation to me to do a guest blog here to discuss some of the new evidence that has percolated out during the Libby trial. I'm a blogger at The Left Coaster (my posts here will be cross-posted at TLC) and over the past year and a half, I've focused a fair amount of my blogging effort at TLC on the pre-war nuclear WMD intelligence fraud - particularly the aluminum tubes hoax, the White House's knowledge of alternative uses for the tubes, the uranium from Africa scandal and the forged Niger documents. In the past week, in the midst of her incredible live-blogging effort at FDL, Emptywheel also took some time to send me links to some of the documents from the trial proceedings that have been helpfully made public by Libby's legal firm. This post is the first of many where I will offer some observations and analysis on some of these documents.]
One of the declassified documents (DX63) released last week by Libby's legal team is a March 11, 2003 SPWR ("Senior Publish When Ready") prepared by WINPAC (Weapons Intelligence, Non-Proliferation and Arms Control Center - a White House friendly division within the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence). I noticed a short sentence in this SPWR which is a great example to illustrate a very important and under-reported aspect of the uranium from Africa scandal. In fact, this is an issue that is a natural outcome of our general emphasis on U.S.-centric news consumption and analysis - something that carries a risk that we will miss important cues about how we are being manipulated globally by the current Government and its "allies". (NOTE: All emphasis in quoted portions in this post is mine, unless otherwise stated.)
You may recall that a British Parliamentary Committee led by "Lord" Butler put out a blatantly shoddy and fraudulent summary in 2004 (covered in detail here) that was aimed at exonerating the Blair Administration for its uranium from Africa allegation in the infamous British White Paper released on September 24, 2002. The Butler report then became the foundation for the Bush White House and its propagandists to assert, falsely, that the British claim was "credible" and that Bush was therefore justified in citing it in his January 2003 State of the Union.
One of the most infamous lies in the Butler report was this sentence:
497. In preparing the [September 2002 British] dossier, the UK consulted the US. The CIA advised caution about any suggestion that Iraq had succeeded in acquiring uranium from Africa, but agreed that there was evidence that it had been sought. [page 123]
I explained in detail previously why the latter claim was an egregious lie. For example, about a year prior to the Butler report, George Tenet's July 2003 statement in the aftermath of the Joseph Wilson op-ed said:
Also in the fall of 2002, our British colleagues told us they were planning to publish an unclassified dossier that mentioned reports of Iraqi attempts to obtain uranium in Africa. Because we viewed the reporting on such acquisition attempts to be inconclusive, we expressed reservations about its inclusion but our colleagues said they were confident in their reports and left it in their document.
In other words, in July 2003, Tenet stated unequivocally that the CIA had expressed reservations to the U.K. in September 2002 about including any claim in their dossier that Iraq had sought uranium from Africa, let alone Iraq having purchased uranium from Africa. Yet, in July 2004, the Butler report flat out lied about this fact.
Now, this is where it gets very interesting.
As you may recall, in the aftermath of former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's NYT op-ed the Bush administration was forced to withdraw Bush's SOTU uranium claim. However, that turned out to be a temporary PR disaster for the White House (leading, among other things, to the Bush White House outing the identity of an undercover CIA operative named Valerie Plame). One of the ways in which the Bush administration recovered from the firestorm was by relying on the British Government for cover. Indeed, Blair and MI6 continued to falsely insist (pretend) that the "sought uranium" claim in their White Paper was credible and that it was based on evidence that they could not reveal. As I said in October 2005:
Partly, this was to save face because their White Paper had already made the uranium from Africa claim; but it is also quite likely that they stuck by their claim to provide the last bit of support to Bush in the aftermath of Joseph Wilson's op-ed and the Bush administration's retraction of the SOTU uranium claim in July 2003, shortly before the expose of Valerie Plame's CIA identity.
In other words, Blair decided he needed to save his skin and scratch Bush's back to help Bush in his PR battle in the US against Ambassador Wilson.
So, what happened after Tenet's statement was published? Even though Tenet's public statement was made in July 2003, the Phase I SSCI report that came out in 2004 made it very difficult to figure out what the CIA really told the British about the uranium claim in the British White Paper. For instance:
1. Virtually the entire section of the SSCI Report discussing the British White Paper was redacted/classified.
2. The fact that the CIA specifically expressed concerns to the British even on the very first draft of the British White Paper on 9/11/02 was not publicized in the SSCI report.
3. The fact that the British claim that Iraq sought uranium was actually based entirely on false intelligence which claimed that Iraq had purchased uranium (yes!) was not revealed in the SSCI report or in the Butler report.
4. In the SSCI report's discussion of the CIA's testimony to Congress and the CIA's overtures to the White House/NSC in October 2002, mostly phrases like "stretched a little bit beyond", "reached a little bit", "question about some of those attempts", and "exaggerated" were cited as descriptors for the British allegation, rather than calling it out for what it really was - fraudulent horse manure. (There was one occasion where the DDCI is quoted as saying "...we don't think [the claims] are very credible...")
5. The fact that the British Government was contacted sometime in early 2003 prior to Colin Powell's UN speech to discuss the credibility of the uranium claim and that Powell dropped the claim due to the lack of credibility ("veracity") of the allegation despite the discussions with the British was not revealed in the declassified portions of the SSCI report. (Yet months later, even after the Wilson op-ed, Bush administration officials continued to imply or assert that the British allegation was standing the test of time).
6. The SSCI Report featured a convenient story from the WINPAC Director about the reason why the CIA expressed reservations to the British about the inclusion of the uranium claim in the British White Paper. The WINPAC Director claimed to the SSCI that it was due to concerns about "sources and methods" and that it was not because of any concerns about the credibility of the reporting, contradicting #4 above [pages 64-66].
7. The content of a WINPAC SPWR (Senior Publish When Ready) dated March 11, 2003, addressed to the Secretary of Defense was redacted to hide some comments regarding the British claim:
A centerpiece of the British White Paper last fall was U.K. concern over Iraqi interest in foreign uranium. Given the fragmentary nature of the reporting [DELETED] [page 70]
As luck would have it, we now know what was redacted because one of the declassified documents that was provided to the Libby defense team was the WINPAC March 11, 2003 SPWR, which says:
A centerpiece of the British White Paper last fall was U.K. concern over Iraqi interest in foreign uranium. Given the fragmentary nature of the reporting, CIA had recommended that the UK not use this information in their paper. [page 2]
Isn't that amazing? Let me re-emphasize this for effect.
Here's what former Senate GOP Cover Up Committee Chairman Pat Roberts pulled off for Bush and Cheney in the Phase I SSCI report (with the ignorant indifference of the Senate Democrats in the Committee). Even though Tenet wrote publicly in July 2003 that:
Because we viewed the reporting on such acquisition attempts to be inconclusive, we expressed reservations [to the British] about its inclusion [in the White Paper]...
...the Phase I SSCI report released publicly in 2004 classified/deleted this portion:
CIA had recommended that the UK not use this information in their paper.
Let's momentarily set aside the fact that there was zero justification for classifying/redacting the highlighted phrase - this was a pure and simple cover-up on behalf of the British Government. The main point here is that Blair and his lackeys in the British Parliament fraudulently stood their ground on the uranium claim in the aftermath of the Joseph Wilson op-ed in July 2003, and in doing so, performed a great "service" to Bush-Cheney. Bush and Cheney responded in kind by going to extraordinary lengths to hide information pertaining to the CIA's dismissal of the validity or credibility of the British claim in the 2004 Phase I SSCI report - a "service" that Bush-Cheney lackey Pat Roberts was clearly only too willing to perform, with WINPAC's help.
All of this may seem like old news to many, but I think it is important for history to reflect the depths to which these people went to try to hide their mutual complicity in the Iraq WMD fraud.
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sorry, this is sort of off topic sort of on topic since it goes to the big picture and it’s too important to not be prepared for tomorrow and I have to bring this up from downstairs;
perris @ 116
he’s doing what;s necessary to declare congress obsolete, to render the fourth estate impotent and possibly declare himself the commander in chief until the war on terror is over
this is scary scruff
Are you going to send a link to this post to Bob Somerby?
:)
Twice in her report today on the Libby Trial (on All Things Considered), Nina Totenberg falsely stated that Valerie Plame had “sent her husband to Africa.” That was the White House spin, but it is not true.
Although Plame informed CIA officials that her husband had good contacts in Niger and that might prove useful in shedding light on the supposed Niger-Iraq contract… That was the full extent of Plame’s involvement. She did not “send” her husband to do the job in Iraq.”
Join me in asking NPR to review the reporting on this and correct their records. See See Wikipedia timeline on the Wilson affair.
Great post, although I’ll have to re-read it 11 times to really grasp it.
:)
The thing that really gripped me during Martin’s testimony was how much attention is paid to spin. It almost seems that is all the WH & OVP are concerned with.
What also keeps popping up is the practice of circular referencing of questionable data. It appears that this is huge is the gop playbook. Whether its Judy Miller, Insight, Drudge, Swift Boats, Tony Blair, the play gets run again and again.
Nothing about Senator Roberts behavior surprises me anymore, sigh!
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Perris - The article is up now. Very scary indeed.
NY TIMES
Terrific post. Mutual coverups. And still running .
MS @ 6
I hope that Christy, Pach or Marcy politely bring this factual error to Nina’s attention in person.
I am really enjoying the fact that the FDL experts are right there, in the courthouse, to help the traditional media get this story right - if they are willing to listen.
gawdie, just when you think FDl can’t get any better.
It Does.
Over and over again.
What’s that…..? K-O-U-F-A-X?
MS @ 6
Speaking of Yellow Cake…
I think we all owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to Dave Chappelle
Black Bush
http://www.ifilm.com/video/2795970
I agree.
My question is - why is Bush doing this now, with only two years left in office? What is the advantage of recklessly increasing executive power when, for all they know, the next president could be John Edwards, Wesley Clark or Al Gore?
What is the point of consolidating power in an office from which one must soon depart forever? Am I missing something?
*xyz and perris,
Probably to create a window of opportunity for the usual suspect looters, by throwing a lot of kludge into the regulatory apparatus, which is what I suspect is all this order will do. Note also, that it expires end of November, 2008.
It’s also the most contemptible use of phony economism I believe I’ve ever seen.
Think I’ll go read eriposte’s post … maybe this can come up again later.
eRiposte- after reading, I was trying to refresh a long ago memory, something about some particular UK briefing having been written on the basis of information that low-level staff had found on the internet. Couldn’t find. Can anyone else remember this?
I did find this, however re: the Butler report. It’s something only for those interested in UK politics, perhaps, but really, the similarity between Bushco. and Blairco. were quite startling. here
~~ [snip] Michael Herman, a former secretary to the JIC, quotes approvingly that “interested policy makers quickly learn that intelligence can used the way a drunk uses a lamp post - for support rather than illumination”. [/snip]~~~
Also, this is a great related graphic: here
eRiposte,
I commend you on your diligent work on the Niger documents story. I’m tremendously impressed with the work FDL and friends in left blogistan have done in conducting a truly “open source investigation”. With 1) Marcy providing you with links to documents that you would would know how to utilize in illuminating the duplicity of the White House and then 2) being able to read your analyisis withing hours, this has been just amazing.
Is there a way of investigating the SSCI (Senate Select Committe on Intelligence) under Roberts? The reason why the sentence “CIA had recommended that the UK not use this information in their paper” was deleted needs to be explained under oath by someone IMHO.
xyz@14:
Leave office? Who said anything about leaving office?
This administration, which has set new standards for mendacity and vengeful behavior, has never lied more often or acted more heedlessly in seeking revenge than in their efforts to conceal the Niger yellowcake story.
One might infer from the extremity of this behavior that the truth about this particular story may be more harmful to this administration than anything else out there.
For some reason this reminds me of Judy Miller. The Administration would leak bogus information to her. After her article appeared, the Administration would cite it as corroboration of their story: “See, it’s not just us but the New York Times that says so.”
In this case, Tony Blair used a tame British Commission for much the same result and Bush et al borrowed it: “See, it’s not just us but the
New York TimesBrits that say so.”Valley Girl @
16
VG,
Could the papers to which you refer be “The Downing Street Memo’s”?
OK, back to lurking.
travelite
patience @ 13
There is much truth in this funny short film.
I was just posting on a question on this subject, in BINGO
how long as Plame worked at the position? Would her name not have come up long ago? her department not under close scrutiny by the CIA inside the CIA that monitors their fellow’s actions? That old medal winner Tenet fed her to the shooter long ago….
there is no reason to think they didn’t start this from the beginning, if it is also correct to assume they started planning to take the oil from the beginning
Lead headline/graphic right now on MSNBC:
Maximum Revolution: Chavez to get broad new powers to remake Venezuela. Meanwhile Bush sabre-rattles that Iran has no business interfering in Iraq….
Tie in the NYT piece on the executive order Bush just signed, and you really gotta wonder. What’s the difference between our “strong man” and their “strong man”?
Can our democracy survive the next two years, or will Bushie succeed in destroying it all?
And it doesn’t get talked about much in the shadow of protests of anti-muslim bias, but “24″ and Jack Bauer once again are deftly weaing into the popular culture the concept of destruction of civil liberties and corruption in high places. One of these seasons maybe the koolaid krowd will start to get it. Even The Simpsons are scoring points.
eRiposte - Welcome to FDL!
Your material is fairly dense because of the subjects. But I have been stopping by for years and reading it anyway, and appreciate very much all your efforts to get to the truth. I wish I could have done it myself and thank God that someone more capable is doing so.
The aluminum tubes and the uranium from Africa claims have been critically important subjects to me from the get-go. I never believed a word of any of it and am still shocked at the way consent for the war was manufactured.
Thank you very, very much from the bottom of my heart for your continued hard work over all these years at
http://theleftcoaster.com/
You are a true hero!
OT: DCCC reaches out to Netroots
By Jonathan E. Kaplan
With an eye to 2008, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) is off to an early start in fostering its relationship with Netroots, political activists who drum up support for or opposition to candidates and causes online.
The DCCC chairman, Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.), has committed to participating in a monthly conference call with bloggers and has talked to several on an individual basis since taking the post earlier this month, a senior DCCC aide said. The DCCC’s executive director, Brian Wolff, also has close ties to Netroots activists.
http://www.thehill.com/thehill.....roots.html
eRiposte, you deserve a PULITZER!
travelite @ 21
Yes, you may be correct there. I will have to google that. And, maybe you could do same, and report back/ delurk if you find that report. I do remember reading something to the effect (generally), but it was a while back, and I think I/ you will have to be a pretty clever googler to limit the # of “finds” to less than 1000, to narrow it down.
If Ari is turning State’s evidence, he was on Air Force One on July 7, 2003, after this lunch. On that plane the INR memo was passed around and Bush likely instructed Ari and the staff that the memo could or would be used to get back at Wilson.
If so, Ari and also Powell could have testified to that effect and that would explain Bush having to lawyer up in June 2004.
Prairie Sunshine @ 24
Well as long as theirs has a pulse he has to be smarter than ours.
xyz @ 14
If they can scare people and continue to steal the elections through elections in a black box…well…they could be in power forever. I am sure they think so anyway.
Rumor is Bush, in the spirit of fostering an eco-friendly government, will start manufacturing his straw men out of switch grass.
-GSD
brownandserve @ 17
Along those lines…is it not a crime to classify in order to conceal wrongdoing?
Good god, man! This is f’in hot!
Are those early Miller pieces disappearing from the archives yet?! There’s a book in this story…
what stingray said.
a wonderful embarassment of riches today, as everyday, at FDL.
thanks to all.
GSD
LOL!
John Forde @ 27
I completely agree. I have read your posts regularly, have understood about 6% of what you said , but somehow could tell that you were right on top of the issue, citing documents, quoting authorities. Clearly this administration did not ever think anyone would be looking this closely at this issue.
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for being such a patriot!
brownandserve @
17
Without question.
Welcome eRiposte, the 1st time I saw your nym, the R was in lower-case, now that I see it correctly, it makes a bit more sense. Love that Yellow Cake graphic!
Also, major thanks to steelthing & everyone else who contributed to Plame House DC.
eRiposte — welcome to the Lake. Hope you like your Yellow Cake graphic — I laughed so loud when I found this one. hehehehe Couldn’t help myself — had to use it for your post. :)
How collegial will Jay Rockefeller be in ripping the lid off Senator Roberts’ coverups?
GSD @ 32
707!!! Trouble is he will give the exclusive contract for the stuff to Big Oil, who will charge him 1000 times the price of straw for the honoour.
Late. What a post! Thank you mr/ms eRiposte.
Now may we impeach Warner Cheney and Bush?
Beyond Treason.
this citizens’ blood boils.
John Forde @
27
Hear! Hear!
GSD @ 32
Hay, you’re right. He’s a straw man all right…
“I would not be just a nuffin’
My head all full of stuffin’…
If I only had a brain.”
Since we’re talking about yellow cake, shouldn’t we have some kind of official statement from all of our Betty Crocker Homemaker of the Year winners? ;)
And this via Josh Marshall:
Late Update: Then there’s the discrepancy which some have noticed between Ari’s testimony and that of John Dickerson, which Booman discusses. http://tinyurl.com/2ec8rh
eRiposte,
Could you be thinking of the “British White Paper” published back in 2002?
I remember reading this and thinking it was written by the intelligence people with lots of hedges and if, thens, might happen, etc. The maps with the radius of the “Iraq missiles” especially amused me - until I realized people in high places were believing this stuff.
Had to turn NPR raidio off tonight coming home. When chimpy said the American people are begining to doubt thier inteligence I had one of those turret moments I’m becoming prone to whenever I hear him speak. Love ya’all, the least I could do was donate a couple hours hard earned pay.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 43
What Eureka Springs said!
And allow me to add your reportorial style reminds me of the pre-Jeffrey Toobin legal writing in The New Yorker.
How does this relate to Judy Miller’s poor deceased friend, David Kelly (?), the British scientist who criticised the WMD reports and died during the Plame events in July 2003?
Hmm, I’m supposed to buy whatever Dickerson writes in Slate instead of sworn testimony in a Federal courtroom?
Mebbe not.
susan @ 46
Well, as one of that select group, here is my statement- can Christy or RBG or someone get eRiposte on the phone, and encourage him/ her to show up here? I have a whole lotta questions.
Booman thinks Fleischer purjured himself today. Read it: http://www.boomantribune.com/s.....192549/075
oldtree @ 23
Thank you for putting that question together. So very much to tie together. Why the hell is congress not treating every single passing moment like the dire (inter)national emergency it is?
To the GD Hague!
Welcome, eRiposte! I will gladly put off my Late Nite post until 8:30pm PT for such fine work as this. Hooray!
Christy,
I spent the last 2 hours reading through today’s blogging and ya’ll did great work! This post was very interesting and well put together. No doubt a long day for very one. I would be curious if you can get out to the media types there tomorrow their reactions to Judy Miller.
eriposte — how will we ever get this fully unwound? There are so many redactions and classifications and circular references that make this such a mess; I am grateful you have the fortitude as well as the keen nose for this.
I noted while digging through the Plame timeline (Dkosopedia version) that there was an abrupt shift in late 2002 within CIA about Niger yellowcake. The comments that Admiral Thomas Wilson made about the yellowcake in early 2002 were highly skeptical — but then by late 2002 the CIA was making noises that were credulous about any claims. So much of this seems to hang on which appointees or factions were situated in which departments at any given time. Has there been any effort that you know of which documents personnel movements in an effort to track these manipulations of policy?
Trex @ 55,
We need your humor! Don’t deny this to us!!
FDLers, thanks for the nice words. It’s a pleasure to be here. I do apologize for the writing style being dense. I am forced to optimize for time rather than good writing style when I do my posts. Not to mention, I wish I had the kind of writing skills that, say, the brilliant Glenn Greenwald or Digby have. Man, they’re *good*.
Christy, just love the yellow cake pic. LOL. Maybe my new logo? :-)
Former Fed, yes I am referring to the Sep 2002 British White Paper.
AZ Matt @ 58
It’s coming. Just eleven more minutes by my watch.
Teddy San Fran or anyone? I would appreciate suggestions (individual or perhaps a list) for whom I might spotlight this post.
thanks in advance for suggestions
We are thrilled to welcome eRiposte of The Left Coaster to FDL to share his amazing knowledge about the Niger documents, among many other issues involved in the Libby trial and FItzgerald investigation.
The question of gender is finally answered after 2 years of being a faithful reader and poster at TLC.
BTW eRiposte, another outstanding piece. If it serves only history, at least a select few will know the truth!
MS @ 6
Thanks for drawing my attention to this. I listened to the report on the npr website, was appalled, and sent an e-mail.
eriposte !
thank you so much for joining us at The Lake !
no mention of what is a story of Plame proportions anywhere - so admire and thank you for your diligence - and pray it be rewarded with all kinds of sunlight
come back and visit anytime - the pleasure was ours
cbl
Rayne @ 57
Personnel movements are hard, if not impossible, to track at the level of detail needed to accomplish what you are looking for. I find that just following public records very closely and checking every new document that comes out can be pretty revealing.
Rayne- I checked out the wiki Plame timeline, and found this tidbit
Had no idea that Condi was at this meeting.
~~September 2002
* 9 September 2002: According to Italian newspaper La Repubblica, the head of Italy’s military intelligence agency (SISMI), Nicolo Pollari, meets secretly with Stephen Hadley, then Bush’s Deputy National Security Adviser; the purpose of the meeting, as reported by La Repubblica, was to bypass a skeptical CIA and get documents purporting to detail an Iraqi attempt to purchase Niger uranium directly to the White House.[14] Hadley and others who attended this meeting say they have little memory of the details of what was discussed, and in a press conference Hadley characterized the meeting as a “courtesy call” that lasted less than 15 minutes.[15] According to the Italian Prime Minister’s office, the meeting was between the then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice, and Nicolo Pollari, in the presence of an Italian and US delegation that included Stephen Hadley.[16]~~~
eRiposte,
After reading through your post and letting sink in, slowly, it sounds like a Keystone Cops scenario over yes-they-said-that-no-they-said-that. It is building with no foundation.
AZ Matt - It’s a house of marked cards!
AZ Matt @ 67
I pictured Escher’s staircase.
Ah… eRiposte, I see you are here. Is it true that condi was at the meeting (see my #66 above), and if so, what do you make of this?
Valley Girl @ 70
Valley Girl, as far as I know she was. Please read this post for more context:
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/009535.php
Eureka Springs, >
“Eventually, the truth will emerge. And when it does, this house of cards, built of deceit, will fall.” - Robert C. Byrd
epu but wth, Rayne -
Jeepers!
Tuedsay NYT
Pear reports that “in an executive order published last week in the Federal Register, Bush said that each federal agency must have a regulatory policy office run by a political appointee”
oh yeah,
Valley Girl @ 16
Is this what you were thinking of?:
UK war dossier a sham, say experts
eRiposte says:
As luck would have it, we now know what was redacted because one of the declassified documents that was provided to the Libby defense team was the WINPAC March 11, 2003 SPWR, which says/i>
—
A centerpiece of the British White Paper last fall was U.K. concern over Iraqi interest in foreign uranium. Given the fragmentary nature of the reporting, CIA had recommended that the UK not use this information in their paper. [page 2]
—
Isn’t that amazing?
Yes - Amazing indeed - Good catch there! Must have made your day :)
Let’s all hope Rockefeller can make some headway too.
Senator: Cheney stalled inquiry
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/new.....551967.htm
so do I have this right??
2002 - lots of focus on Iraq intel
2002 - prior to the White Paper, CIA expresses reservations about uranium in Africa claim
2002 Sept. - British White Paper “uranium in Africa”
2003 Jan. - GWB State of the Union - 16 words
2003 July - Joe Wilson’s oped - Did the Administration maniuplate intelligence?
2003 July - Tennet resigns - falls on sword
2004 July - British Butler Report “No one is to blame”
2004 July - Senate Secect Committee Inteligince Report - covers up that CIA thought prior to Butler report intel was inconclusive
TRex @ 55
TRex, very gracious of you. Thanks!
Ah, thank you eRiposte. It’s been clear since what feels like the dawn of history that the forgeries were simply whirled around with the aim of making velocity create the iilusion of existence, but this key detail makes it that much more evident to the less convinced.
And let me just say, as calmly as I can and appropos nothing, you know, in particular, that I sure will be glad when Congress finds it in its sCHedule to impeach the m!f!cker, already!
Did Fitzgerald ever pursue the question of the origin of the Niger docs, Rome, the Nigerian embassy in Rome break-in, Nicola Pollari, SISMI, etc? Anyone know this?
Even after it was exposed as a forgery, Hadley and Libby kept re-inserting it into Bush’s speeches, right? And if they did then doesn’t that make it a conspiracy by them both to LIE to Congress and the nation? Does attributing it to the British Government on the SOTU make it any less the lie, once your own CIA has totally debunked it?
do we know what this WINPAC document is going be used to support in the trial?
stingray @ 79
Stingray, I have not heard anything suggesting that Fitzgerald seriously pursued the forgeries. Also, regarding the re-insertion into Bush’s speeches, I’m going to say that I don’t have direct evidence yet to prove that Hadley and the WH knew that the claims were based on forged documents at the time they were trying to get it into Bush’s speeches. This doesn’t mean that such evidence does not exist - because there is a lot that is still hidden about this story. That said, they certainly knew that it was a story whose authenticity was more than dubious and that the CIA had aggressively walked away from it.
blue e @ 80
I’m not sure. Probably to establish some history of events.
Valley Girl (66) — Holy crap, Condi was at that meeting? Sweet jeebus, she doesn’t have the sense God gave a maggot. She walked right into that nest of universal fascists, the likely font of the forged documents as if it were a shoe store?
Never ceases to amaze me how incredibly dense that woman is in spite of a doctorate degree. She couldn’t con that nice white boy Hadley to get his mits dirty with this, she deserves every lick of the drubbing she is going to receive eventually for her role in this.
Agh. God help us if Dumbya makes her Veep if Cheney steps down/bails.
stingray — I understood there was a separate investigation, and that there had been some effort made to share material where possible between the forgeries investigation and the Plame outing investigation. Can only hope this was fruitful.
Terre @ 74
YES!!! Wow! You must be a really gifted googler and/or have a great memory. Many thanks.
stingray @ 79
Quite sure I read recently that Fitz had obtained the Italian reports on SISMI’s role in the forgery matter—don’t think it was on PNN (Personal News Network), but haven’t found it yet. Will keep looking.
Thanks eRiposte for the hours upon hours you have devoted to this information. :)
eRiposte - I know this is highly speculative but I’ll ask anyway. Is it your gut feel that enough evidence exists that a case can ever be brought on any of the larger charges, perhaps pertaining to “intentional misleading” on the aluminum or uranium intel?
In other words, do you think there’s a chance the current case is a prelude to further charges, or is that unlikely in your opinion?
Rockefeller seems pretty dogged about it but you may well know more than he does about evidence really exists.
prostrateddragon — use Talking Points Memo in your query for the Italian efforts on SISMI’s role; I thought that Josh Marshall had actually done a decent job of coverage on this. Might also find something at War and Piece, but I’m less familiar with that site than TPM.
This is a terrific demonstration of what most sentient thinking folks have been convinced of for a good long time, namely that this administration, (and sniveling pathetic toady Blair’s it turns out) far more than prior ones, have lazily turned to claims of national security when what they mean is “we’ve broken the law again and need to cover it up. We dare you to come get us, but sorry we cannot share that information as it would jeopardize, err, our defense.”
When they finally go down it will be a splash beyond any we have previously experienced. They are so deep in the crime that Daddy and his minions can’t help them now. The resulting tsunami is a bit of a worry though.