
(Graphics luv to Media Circus. I like to think of this as the Cathie and Ari megaphone…)
From this morning’s blogging of the Libby trial proceedings:
…W You remember reading that Wilson’s wife was employed by CIA. After Novak disclosed Mr. Wilson’s wife. Is it correct that the talking points you were using WRT OVP was using did not change. At no time after it was disclosed did OVP change its position that the talking points should be on the merits and there was no need to mention Mrs. Wilson.
M We did not change our talking points.
W If you look at talking points before and after there is no mention of Mrs. Wilson. Is it fair to say that when the Novak article came out, from your personal perspective that was not viewed as a big article.
M It wasn’t a huge revelation to me because I KNEW, I knew it was a big deal that he had disclosed it.… (emphasis emptywheel)
Well, that pretty much undercuts that whole “who could have known because my busy job made me lie” defense, doesn’t it? So much for the “we weren’t focusing on Wilson at all and ‘the wife’ was an afterthought,” too.
Or this from Ari Fleischer this morning:
P did you understand that it was classified
Fl absolutely not. There’s a very strict protocol when classified info is spread, my experience, when someone conveyed info that I was authorized to hear, it was always, “this is classified you’re authorized to hear.” When it’s oral, people always say, “this is classified you cannot use it.” (emphasis mine)
Nice to know there is a whole White House press policy for discussing classified information that, according to their SF-312 agreements they SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSING unless there is a national security “need to know” basis. Wankers.
The single most intriguing part of the trial thus far has been the exposure of the cynical media manipulation machine that is the Vice President’s and President’s press offices and how well-oiled and slick the machinery for these operations has been. Cathie Martin’s testimony has been detailed and damaging in terms of credibility for any WH and OVP pronouncements, publicly and “on background” from here on out with the press corps (especially with bookings on MtP, I would imagine — in a town where reputation can be more important than substance, Tim Russert’s ego and credibility have been handed a big, ole stinkbomb in testimony).
And Ari Fleischer is not likely to help out with this at all later today. From Carol Leonnig and Amy Goldstein of the WaPo this morning:
…Fleischer had grown worried after reading a newspaper story about the leak investigation, prosecutors said this morning, then hired a lawyer to approach a government team investigating whether Bush administration officials illegally leaked information about Plame to reporters in the summer of 2003.
“Reading the article gave him the feeling that he might be in legal jeopardy, despite the fact that he knew he hadn’t said anything to Mr. Novak and hadn’t intentionally tried to leak secret information,” said government prosecutor Debra Bon Amici. “He didn’t think he would be guilty of a crime, but he felt others might view it differently. In his heart of hearts, he didn’t believe he had done something wrong.”
That both helps and hurts the defense as they seek to discredit the testimony of Fleischer, a crucial government witness. Fleischer is expected to testify later today that Libby told him about Plame’s CIA role at an unusual lunch they had together on July 7, 2003, and described the information as “hush-hush.” Libby is charged with lying to investigators and falsely telling them that he thought he first learned about Plame’s identity from NBC reporter Tim Russert in a July 10 telephone call. That helps Fitzgerald show that Libby’s story is implausible, as he said at the opening of the trial: “You can’t learn startling information on Thursday that you were giving out on Monday.”…
Ought to be an awfully interesting day of testimony continuing into tomorrow, I would imagine — Fleischer will be grilled on the stand, first by the government in direct examination and then even more so by Team Libby on cross examination — and then through a series of re-direct and re-cross, I would imagine. All this, and we haven’t even gotten to any reporter testimony as yet. Something tells me that this week in the Libby trial is going to be a bumpy ride — for Libby, for Vice President Cheney’s office, for the White House spin machine, and for the Fourth Estate.
And speaking of bumpy rides, Froomkin’s White House Briefing chronicles the wheel spinning of Dick Cheney of late. Fantastic read today, and highly recommended. (H/T to reader Jane S. for the heads up that Froomkin was back from sick leave. Glad you are feeling better, Dan!)
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you mean I get to say
FITZ!?
Christy!
Fitzmas!!
)
fitz
That’s it. Just because it’s not in the notes doesn’t mean it’s not important.
first to fifth like that (snap) lol
Shuster on MSNBC now, reporting on the ‘QT’ and making the point that it contradicts the Russert-told-me line.
Also, RIP Barbaro.
FITZ!
does Wells think the jury is completely stupid? if you just outed a CIA agent, would you put that in your talking points? sheesh. btw, nothing new on PACER.
What a day on the stand! Bravo to the jury for their excellent, on-point follow-up questions of Martin! I hope they think to ask Ari about the White House protocol for spreading classified info!
Via TPM, David Kurtz cites Laura Rozen and says, “Time to shine some light on the OVP.“
Fitz has one powerful mofo spotlight shining on OVP right now!
I would imagine — in a town where reputation can be more important than substance, Tim Russert’s ego and credibility have been handed a big, ole stinkbomb in testimony).
Not in the narrow universe which controls who gets his own TV program, and as long has he has a TV program he passes for highly respected.
Isn’t it ironic that the White House finds itself needing to undermine the credibility of its former press secretary?
It isn’t like they haven’t needed to undermine everyone who ever left the reservation… but this is the guy who was their mouthpiece: the President’s spokesperson.
Christy! Marcy! Pach! and all,
Thank you so much. You are creating history here, allowing us, the public, into the inner workings of our justice system. So important.
I sit here in Seattle, writing up what you do for my readers in the NW hppt://www.evergreenpolitics.com in brief. You make it so much easier and fun.
There is no sense anywhere here that they are bound by the law of the land. They are most certainly operating as if there is no law, only an occasional problem with the press.
It’s so disgusting. And oddly reminiscent of another period in recent US history…
somebody gonna turn that emboldening off?
Oh my, absolutely riveting this morning. I don’t know how any of us are going to get any work done this week. Expect labor productivity numbers for Q107 to drop significantly. Great job Team FDL!
Alison @ 14
And German history!
TiredFed at 16 — I’m not seeing any bold. If you are on a MAC, it shows up differently than it does on a PC. Where are you seeing the bold start?
pseudonymous in nc @ 7
One gallant horse that epitomized for many folks the possibility of prevailing against unfortunate odds.
Here’s more Cheney spinning in his interview with Newsweek’s Richard Wolffe:
I love it how Froomkin calls Cheney the “Retaliator-in-Chief.” If this is proven by sworn testimony, how can Cheney hang on without either resigning or being “I-worded?”
… and folx, is it out of the realm of possibility that W hisself may have either known or abetted this conspiracy? Hmm, that might put “the I-word” back on the table for HIM, too… :)
Gird up your loins and stiffen your spines, Congress! The people are coming!
hit refresh. it’s gone. phew. that was hard on the eyes.
From reading Fromkin on Cheney
Seems to be only a matter of time
before he MUST resign for the
Bush regime to attempt to regain
some legitmacy for remainder of
their stay in power. Lets hope Fitz can
tie Cheney and Bush together as
co-conspirators and we get both
to resign or impeached.
Which leaves us with…..Nancy!
Help me out here! Fleischer asked for immunity ’cause he found out that he unwittingly exposed an undercover agent, which isn’t a crime. Couldn’t his lawyer have cleared that up for him, precluding the need for immunity for his testimony? And, if he’d committed no crime, don’t you think Fitz would have let him know? Thus far we’ve heard that Fleischer had no idea Valerie Plame/Wilson was undercover, again, exposing no crime, but asserting, in so doing, that Libby is a big fat liar. So, I’m left with no other conclusion than that Fleischer has yet to drop his ‘bomb’ of truth. Yes? No? Patience, Grasshopper?
Ditto, my wondeful little cocker has been fighting cancer for two year and putting up a great battle. A friend said to me, “our job is to extend their lives but not their deaths”.
Wordsmith @ 19
I had planned to come down with a bug (or something) to stay home for 2 days. Well I,m home with the or something, which turns out to be car trouble. Car trouble or not, I’m in the zone. Thanks for the great coverage (as always).
The good news is: Just went to mailbox and lo & behold EW’s book has arrived.
ps – please pray that I haven’t blown a head gasket.
Canuck at 26 — We still have no real idea what all Fleischer knows or doesn’t know. But, having worked as a defense counsel in criminal cases, I’d want to negotiate an immunity deal for my client if I thought a conspiracy charge might be dangling out there — and that’s just for starters. It was a smart legal maneuver.
Chady @ 27
I’m a slacker too. “Hurt back shoveling snow”…..that’s my story anyway. Hoping it will suffice for two days.
chady @ 27
Pull your dipstick and see if your oil looks milky. If the headgasket is blown the anti-freeze mixed with the oil will look that way.
Biodun @ 21:
Is that the same SotU speech that all the polls show the approval rating dropping after? Are these guys even in this universe any more?
(Barbaro: a friend and I were hoping they got him to make a donation to the gene pool, even indirectly. There’s no rules against artificial insemination for dressage and Grand Prix jumping, to our knowledge, and that kind of intelligence would have been an asset.)
OT–
And from Salon’s War Room today by way of Fox News, Lieberman finally admits to what we had suspected all along:
From Mr. Froomkin:
Because this administration has been enabled REPEATEDLY in order to do that, so how or why would Cheney think any different – NOW – regardless of polls, marches, columns by newspaperists, TV pundits…..
raven at 31 — See, this is why I love our commenters. Someone always has a useful answer, no matter the question. :)
How long is “lunch” anyway? (I’m finished, brushed my teeth, washed the dish….)
Thanks, Christy! I knew it had to be legal and smart. I just couldn’t figure it out. Either I’m not of a criminal turn of mind, or I’m a bear of little brain. You choose! Oops! BTW, great, vital, patriotic, Olympian work you and the others are doing. Thanks, all.
pseudonymous in nc @
8
Yeah, that horse suffered too damn much as it was.
Emptywheel pointed out a few threads ago that Wells’ language had changed in his condescending references to women. I suspect that Wells has people scanning the press (and probably this blog because of the live blogging) for how the case is being presented in the media and may have modified a few things in his approach as a result.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 34
Don’t get me wrong, I love the conversation. I was just thinking out loud about the server issues.
Sam @
24
President Pelosi — talk about changing the dynamics. Something tells me not just Republicans would be pissed off if that happens…
retirin’ in five @ 29
Won’t work here; dry & crisp. I’m trying to think of something. Not good with lying…oh, that’s a lie. Okay, okay – so I’m not imaginative.
Lunch ??? nah, we’ll just sit here quietly enrapt, awaiting the next time stamp thank you
Lunch is an hour.
OT: An hour ago Google news had up a noteworthy triad of headlines:
1) US is selling Isr*el $100 million in bomb kits (business week)
2) Isr*el may have misused bombs (Guardian/Forbes – this under their US coverage)
3) Isr*ael May have Broken US arms deal terms (BBC – this in their US coverage).
So, 1) we send Is*ael vast sums each year in aid in part to buy military and other goods. 2) We announce that they will buy $100 million more in US bombs right after 3) it is announced that they are guilty of having used (our) bombs to attack civilian areas in the Lebanon invasion against US provisions.
Tell me how this makes sense. Would we be doing the same thing with other countries doing the same – say the Balkans? And, isn’t this a key feature behind the Iraq and middle East mess we are in, and the huge costs (human and funds) of this. Hmmm
Sam @ 24
If legitimacy was a concern of this Administration, they would not have stolen the 2000 election and possibly the 2004 election or lied us into a war.
cbl @ 42
You don’t have permission to access /158/7/98/30/2236798300100197003clakJw_ph.jpg on this server. Webshots doesn’t allow sharing apparently.
I hope everyone heard above that chady@28 got Emptywheels book…I hope mine is in my mailbox too….
More common is they blow exhaust into the cooling system.
Pull the radiator cap and run the engine.
Look for bubbles popping up out of the coolant.
;)
Wonder what Big Russ is thinking about Little Russ these days.
OT – Lieberman gets heckled by ‘Happy Johnson’
Man, it seems that everything we are learning here just confirms every bad speculative thought that we all had for the past five years. Absolute confirmation.
I see that Coultergist is off on her little tanget, that Bush “looked so professional and dignified during the SOTU address, not anything like Clinton who as well all know GOT A BLOW JOB WHILE IN OFFICE.”
Real relevant, timely, on topic stuff, that.
sorry guys – adorable, enrapt poodle shot
but hey . . .
via raw story
Meet the CIA’s New Baghdad Station Chief -
Appointee played key role in early “torture by proxy” transfers
http://rawstory.com/showarticl…..01-28.html
Biodun @ 33
Okay, tin-foil hat time, from last summer:
What gets a Clinton elected? A third-party candidate that splits the republican vote. Why did Clinton campaign with Joe last year? Interviewing him for Unity ‘08 perhaps? Independent Joe in ‘08, anyone?
The impression here is that if team Libby presented such a weak defense (I forgot) then there’s much more for Fitzgerald to uncover. The Bush folks need a distraction. Badly. Could this be it?
AP – Deeply distrustful of Iran, President Bush said Monday “we will respond firmly” if Tehran escalates its military actions in Iraq and threatens American forces or Iraqi citizens.
Raven @ 31
IANAM, but the tension bar and the belt are broke. A neighbor is busy putting a new bar & belt on right now. Says he will get the new belt on, start and then check dipstick. I will say that I pulled it out after reading your post & it’s not milky. Hope it that’s way after it’s restarted.
Thanks for the info.
I watched old Russert carefully yesterday. I strongly sensed that he was not in a cheerful mood at all. He appeared semi-sour, I thought, seeming to convey an attitude of “Let’s get through the motions of this show here and let’s get it over with.” I rather suspect he has a sour taste in his mouth after what Cathie Martin said about his show: “It’s our best format.”
I had to go all the way back to the Haloscan days to find this. But, since I think Ari’s testimony proves my point, here it is again, all the way back from ‘05, and something to keep in mind as the trial progresses:
There will be no President Pelosi unless (1) Cheney is impeached and convicted or resigns; AND (2) before a new Veep is nominated by Bush and confirmed by both the House and Senate, Bush resigns or is impeached and convicted.
As someone pointed out this weekend, there was a lag of several months after Ford became president until Nelson Rockefeller was confirmed as Veep — it may have been as long as four or five months.
So theoretically, it would be long enough for Bush to be forced from office without a new Veep in place. But just barely.
cbl @ 53, maybe Larry Johnson will comment on this.
but wait, there’s more -
Walrus busy crafting his ‘burn’ book
French report: Former U.N. envoy Bolton says U.S. has ‘no strategic interest’ in united Iraq
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap…..S-Iraq.php
I smell a newt . . .
litigatormom @ 59
A longshot, to be sure. I would also think having as many Senators/Reps as 2008 presidential candidates some incentive to NOT have Pres Pelosi.
If Cheney resigns for “health reasons” who does Bush nominate for VP and how does that effect ‘08
Maybe the reason Fleischer hired an attorney when he read the article was because he remembered the lunch with Libby (which he says had never happened before) and he thought he might have been set up to take the fall.
Barney.
Diane @ 63
Harrient Meyers! Definitely! She’s obviously “the best person for the job”.
And if Fitz can link Cheney and Bush…remember they both testified and we have no idea (except some of us could prolly guess given past behaviors) whether or not they told Fitz the truth. If they lied in their testimony to fitz it’s a done deal and fitz has just been patiently waiting to let it all unfold. If this is true…Libby will get no pardon cause there won’t be anyone left to pardon him. Which is why I think that Libby is fighting it the way he is. Memory defense…I don’t think Wells wanted the white house to know in advance what his true path would be. I think the memory defense was a sham…so as not to alert the white house. ??? I think he will use it peripherally but clearly at this point that is not the foundation he is laying.
ccmask @ 48
Just back from checking PO box – and sigh – no sign yet of Marcy’s book…must not have ordered as quickly as chady@28.
She and Jane were simply brilliant yesterday on Air America and probably generated book sales.
I really think he would go with Condi, even with all the baggage – can you imagine Condi vs Hillary – holy shit!
Pilgrim @ 57
Plus, Russert was obliged to hit Huckabee with the killer question, which Russert was loathe to do – water carrier that Russert prefers to be. Russert is disappointed that his friends have made a mockery of him. Unfortunately, very few people will even notice. He notices, however. Poor Pumpkinhead – he’s finally been called out as the tool that he is.
Bustednuckles @ 65
Frank, I hope!
All the evil ones know their whole bunch is evil so it makes for a boatload of lawyered get-him-before-he-gets-me honeys. The market is good for defense attorneys me thinks.
And Iran is now (as per NYT) sending in community and individual aid to Iraq (probably similar to Lebanan). The US claims to be skeptical of this (and is threatening to attack any presence there) but it is not as if we have made real efforts to clean things up and make the place livable (think: electricity, sewage, street cleaning, hospitals, schools). Dumb, dumber, dumbest!
Any bets on whether the New York Times will report the discrepancy between Ari’s sworn testimony today — that he was told Plame’s name and CIA identity by Libby on July 7th, 2003 — and Judy Miller’s sworn testimony about her breakfast conversation with Libby the following morning?
For the purposes of her sworn testimony, Miller told the grand jury that she has no idea where “Valerie Flame”, the name “floating” in her July 8th notebook from her meeting with Libby, came from. “Can you believe that?” She is known to ask friends. (Frankly, no.)
So any bets on how the “paper of record” will overcome its all-too-apparent good-words-only severance deal with Judith Miller, and accurately report the implications of these, and other, revelations? I’m not holding my breath.
Let me get this str8. Bush is warning Iran not to “threaten Iraqi citizens”?
If Joe is lurking out there someplace, I just want to say I’ve put together a little picture in my mind. Diplomats, particularly British types in old 1930’s black and white films, always seem to have some very well aged Sherry on hand on a polished drinks tray, with just the right glass for that special moment.
But then LeCarre archtypical British spook, George Smiley, was not the Sherry type — his drinks tray would be less polished, the glasses less than perfect, maybe even slightly chipped, but he served nothing but single malt scotch.
Mid morning is not the usual time for a smashing I told you so ahem moment, but quietly, I hope they are deeply satisfied. Over and over Joe has said if a good prosecutor can take this case, and good FBI agents detailed to investigate, and a Grand Jury gets called — American Justice we can be proud of, can occur.
Oh yea, something can still go very wrong, accidents do happen in court rooms. But I hope the Wilson’s — even if they just smash coffee mugs together, are happy with these turns.
Diane @
63
His name rhymes with “Weathervane”?
Diane @ 69
That would be very cool! Then no amount of mere “fact” will be able to convince me that the first woman President wasn’t a lesbian! :)
goodness . . .
I know you are but what am I ?
Darth gives Newsweek an interview
The Empire Strikes Back
I’m not sold on the idea that becoming Bush’s VP replacement would be “beneficial” to ones ‘08 prospects.
O.K, pure speculation with very little thought behind this. IF Cheney were to bow out, a very dubious proposition in my mind, would it make any sense (in Bush’s World, of course) for Bush to nominate brother Jeb?
“Well, I’m vice president and they’re not.”
“Live from New York . . . it’s Saturday Night!”
Zeppo,
Harriet Meyers was my guess, too. Clearly, the best one for the job. And if Dubya sez she’s good enough, smart enough and doggone it! He likes her – then, that’s good enough for me. The Deciderer is a lot smarterer than he looks you know! :(
watertiger at 82 — bwahahahahahaha!
What is CPD please? (Valerie works at CIA at CPD)
Also, I think Nancy Pelosi has the final say on pearls.
If it happens it will be Jeb. You know the drill “this is a person you can trust; he knows the people an issues at play more than anyone and will be independent and tough minded. (Let’s see, most recently we heard that also for Specter, Gates, the new commander of the Iraq fiasco etc. etc.).
I loved the Doonesbury summary from Froomkin.
“A Belief tank?”
“It’s sort of like a think tank, without the doubt”.
Yeah, that’s it.
Oh snap -Zeppo
Terry Olson — CPD is the Counter-Proliferation Division in the Directorate of Operations, the covert side of the CIA line, as opposed to the Directorate of Intelligence with is primarly analysis. The DO are the field agents in a lot of cases, not always, but highly protected employees.
Richmond @ 86
Nah gah happen. The Bush name is political toast. Lieberman would have a better chance.
chady,
When did you order your copy of Marcy’s book? I’m hoping mine gets here today soon!
Question to Snowjob – “How closely is the president following the Libby trial?”
Tony – “Not that closely.”
Pat – It’s not beneficial. Anyone who is part of the admin doesn’t have a future in elected politics, and that is true for someone already there moving up the ladder or someone from the outside who would come in.
Chimpy’s coattails operate in the negative.
There are a number of reasons why they would put Condi up – she believes in their/her policies, so she wouldn’t be a voice of dissent or a “breathe of fresh air,” and, they think Dems (or anyone else for that matter) would have a hard time opposing her b/c she is a woman, and she black (and yes, I have no doubt they think that way).
Doesn’t matter anyway, Cheney isn’t resigning for health or other reasons. Either he leaves in January ‘09 or b/c he is going to be indicted (ala Agnew).
The CM has to talk about something, and the idea of Cheney resigning is the type of none story that they can talk about for days, so that’s what they do.
Bush is going when Cheney goes. So glad Speaker Pelosi is in the wings.
watertiger @ 77
Unfortunately, in my thinking, his name rhymes with PleebOrMan… would give that faux bipartisan appeal for the history books.
I dunnow,after watching Shortride on Chris Wallace yesterday…..
What an equivocating tool.
watertiger @ 90
I can see Lieberlier, but the right wing would be b.s. By the way, any poles out there on the CFL Senator – either in CT or nationally. That would be very interestig.
twolf1 at 92 — postscript to Tony Snow…
“…because the President has press minions in my office that follow every word and we just give him summaries of the low and high points.”
Just ask Cathie Martin. ;-)
Alison @ 71
Rubble
Nancy Pelosi for President!
I just received this….
We wanted to let you know that there is a delay with some items in the order you placed on January 07 2007. To see the current status of this order, please visit the Order Summary page in your account. We apologize for the inconvenience caused by this delay.
and this:
WHAT IF I WANT TO CHANGE OR CANCEL MY ORDER?
twolf1 @ 92
“I’m not that worried about him.”
Is this good or what?!! Ari has barely started and seems to have already buried Libby up to his scrawny lying chickenhawk neck.
watertiger @ 90
toast v. milquetoast
EPU’d from last thread
bellesouth @ 110
I’m sure Chimpy is ignoring the Libby trial like he ignores the polls. Bidness as usual.
watertiger @ 90
Senate confirmation would make Hagel a shoe- in. Would they confirm the Jebster (John Ellis Bush) or Liarman? They might, the Senate is a willowy bunch. I don’t know.
twolf1 @ 92
I bet he is in the basement riding a stationary bike, with EW’s play-by-play on one of the TV screens in front of him (the other is Fox; a third is an old Dallas cowboy game). Someone behind the FDL screen updates it for him every 15 minutes. Right now, Bush is on break, getting a massage from some M or F lovely.
watertiger @ 102
Shrub as Alfred E. Neuman: What, me worry?
ccmask @ 101
ccmask, from Amazon? I received similar notification for a recent order I made, twice (since they had split the order in two); the following day I received shipping notification for one part, and notification for the second part the next day… the book is off the press and shipping; patience! That is a bothersome Amazon quirk though! PsyOps!
It would be helpful to me if when something significant happens in the trial, a person more knowledgeable than me would post a comment highlighting what happened and why it is significant. This will help the non-expert among us.
Like me try…
Fleischer testified:
Fleischer testified that this occurred at a private lunch with Libby, the first time they every had lunch, so it was a memorable event.
The lunch took place on July 7. This is significant because Libby is charged with lying that he was surprised to learn this information on July 12.
Am I correct about why this testimony is significant? Anything else to add to place this in context?
Is this a smoking gun?
A question that has more to do with the “outing.”
Is it possible that Ari did not know that the identity of CPD employees is usually classified? For instance if Plame had worked at CID (Counter Intelligence Division) instead of CPD, then her identity likely would not have been classified.
Is it at all conceivable that Ari was ignorant, or did he know at that meal that Libby had just committed treason?
Well a replacement VP has to survive a thorough investigation of his finances, his character, and if you remember the Nelson Rockefeller Hearings — his art collection, and get a majority vote in BOTH houses of congress to be appointed and confirmed. It is not as easy as getting a nomination at a convention where only your party vets you. A New VP would be vetted by a Dem Congress. (And they might agree to appoint his father to babysit him for the next two years.) — And you know, Jimmy Carter would be available, He’s pretty honest, and he knows the job. You know, the hearings are conducted by Judiciary, and that means Pat Leahy and John Conyers.
Back from lunch, gang. Emptywheel has a new liveblog thread on Ari’s testimony up and running.
I bet he is in the basement riding a stationary bike, with EW’s play-by-play on one of the TV screens in front of him (the other is Fox; a third is an old Dallas cowboy game).
Marcy’s play-by-play requires way too much reading. He probably has someone preparing a one page briefing each day.
Sara @ 113
I know that approval must be made by Congress, but is it each house of Congress separately, or is it a vote in joint-session??
Rich at 111 — We have been doing a daily summary at the end of each trial day by the person who is reporting from nside the courtroom — that includes highlighting significant testimony bits and pieces. Just FYI.
Tony – “The Staff is assembling a pop-up transcript on an on going basis – he wants to know if we can get him a shiny robe ‘like that there judge’”
Sara @ 76, the Wilsons always had more faith in getting a fair hearing than I did. I am so glad I was wrong. The early stages of the trial are showing what they were up against. Boggles the mind.
Hackworth – No way these Oil mongers, munitions salesmen, and Mid-East reshapers will ever support an anti-war Republinut candidate. Just no way. This is also why Hilly is so bad news.
Also, as per CNN, San Antonio has just opened a $50 million hospital for war amputees. Another side of war profiteering, it seems. These guys obviously (tragically) need this, but why not in say Illinois, Rhode Island, or California?
kristinejoy @ 54
I think we might be looking forward to the so-called “dream-fusion-unity” ticket of McCain-Lieberman for 2008.
sonate @ 112
IMHO, Fleisher has demonstrated that he is one of the smartest guys in the room, re: CYA. I think Ari knew the status.
Was Libby hoping that Ari would leak it to the press for him before Ari packed his bags? A nice going away present, perhaps? Ari did not follow through and instead covered his own hiney when Fitz started pulling on threads.
Raven @31 & Bustednuckles @49- Tension bar & belt back on alternator. Has been running since my last comment and no milky dipstick, no bubbles in antifreeze, not running hot. Seems fine. Again, thanks for the tips.
Margot@ 91- I ordered from Amazon 1/15.
dqueue @ 110
I’m just getting all paranoid that Bush told them that they don’t want this book to come out…lol I’ve gotten these messages before also and the next day the book’s there.
Patience is a virtue and all that. I want my bosco!
sonate @ 112
I doubt it ever occurred to any of these bozos that passing classified information amongst themselves was against the law or regs (witness Ari’s testimony about the “protocol.”)
I think it is all too likely, considering their general laxness, that he didn’t know or didn’t remember that personnel identities are generally more secure than something like the NIE, and should only be discussed even internally on a need-to-know basis.
The entire administration’s attitude is that laws are for little people (unless you get caught.)
Redshift at 125 — The worst part of it is that in order to get clearance, you have to go through a class or classes on what is and is not required with regard to natinal security care on information and identities and “need to know” and everything else involved. You don’t just sign off on your SF-312 and get to pretend you read it — they put you through a LOT of informative stuff before you get any keys to information that is held this closely.
Clearly the “rules only apply to the little people” mindset permeates all levels of the Bush Administration. And, inmy mind, I’m wondering who else and what else has been sacrificed on the alter of covering their asses the last six years. I cannot begin to tel you how angry this makes me.
Wordsmith @ 20
Yes, and also a case against making these wonderful creatures race for our entertainment and financial gain.
LET them run …… on their own terms.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 126
Imagine the anger/energy of the entire nation when awareness of this spreads.
Each one of us needs to be spreading the news in every way we can think of.
“The British are Coming, the British are Coming.”
Unity = Webb-Hagel 2008?
Redshift (125) — check out Scooter’s resume.
He should have been able to coach CIA operatives on their obligations regarding management of classified material. Lawyers also know full well the levels of confidentiality in handling information.
From Wikipedia:
I know I’ve also seen in another bio that he has even more credentialing on national security for another entity.
With this kind of background, there is NO excuse for mishandling classified material. Hubris is not a defense.
litigatormom @59
Unfortunately, Bush and Gonzales would probably try to make the legal case that Bush can appoint a moron VP during a Congressional recess because we’re at war (notice how convenient this war has been for Bush in his usurpation of power?). GWB would not hesitate to continue his use the war as an excuse to forward his decidership.
I heard a rumor last week that Cheny is planning on stepping down by the end of the yr,Condi would move up to his jog,and Negpronte would take hers.I can only dream.
cbl @
118
Here’s the video from today’s presser…
Tony Snow Asked if Bush Follows Libby Trial
twolf1 @ 92
I.e., staffers are following it closely for him.
Sara @ 113
Historically the replacement of a VP has rarely been as fast as Ford’s. In some cases the VP position lay absent throughout the President’s remaining term. Unlike the Succession procedure for the President laid out in the 25th Amendment, the procedures in the replacement of a dead, resigned or impeached VP allow for a great deal of delay and horse-trading.
During Madisons terms he had no VP from 1812-13; and from 1814-17. Madison was bad luck to be VP for…both George “In the Funk” Clinton and Eldridge Gerry died while they were Madison’s VEEPs.
The was a period in the 1850’s where almost seven years passed without a VP. During the terms of Whig Millard Fillmore (who succeeded to the Presidency in 1850 and appointed no VP) and Democrat Franklin Pierce the post was vacant except for the brief time that Pierce’s running mate, Wm. Rufus King, held the post. King died in April 1853, just months after the inauguration, and the position remained vacant until 1857!
Andrew Johnson had no VP from 1865-1869.
VP Chester Arthur succeeded to President in 1881…and his VP post remained open throughout his term (1885). Then the next Vice President died in office in 1885 and the post remained empty until 1889. EIGHT YEARS!
VP George Hobart died in office in 1899 – and the post remained empty to 1901. Almost immediately afterwards the new President was assassinated and T. Rooseveldt succeeded him…and the post of VP remained vacant to 1905. An almost complete six year vacancy.
Truman did not have a VP from 1945-1949.
Thus extended VP vacancies are rather the rule than the exception.
Ford was also the highest ranking Republican in the line of Succession, and generally well-liked. As such he was pretty much a shoe-in. Rockefeller was not…so things dragged on. Even LBJ didn’t appoint a VP after the Kennedy assassination. Humphrey became VP after the election…he wasn’t nominated by LBJ and appointed by Congress.