
It's freezing cold here this morning and, while I was in DC covering the Libby trial, my birdfeeders emptied as the birds sought some food and refuge during the spate of winter storms that we have been having. Not a lot of accumulation overall at this point, but enough that there has been a fine sheen of ice on the roads most days and still cold enough that all of the feathers are fluffed out on the visitors this morning. I just had time to refill the feeders a few minutes ago, and already the ravenous horde of song sparrows and house finches has descended, with the polite little Carolina wren hopping to and fro on the hood of my car, waiting his turn.
It is good to be home.
As much as the hustle and bustle of the trial, the incredible spectacle of media and political intersection, the riveting testimony, the palpably growing feeling of anticipation in that courtroom for even more testimony to come, there really is no substitute for coming back to your own nest. But wow, what a week in DC for me.
On day one of the opening statements, I rode up in the elevator that morning with Wells, Jeffress, Scooter and Mrs. Libby. Libby was very courtly, holding the elevator door open so that I could get in without being smacked by a door, saying "Please, you go first." while smiling with his mouth and trying to pull back a bit of the worry in his eyes. I have seen a lot of people on trial over the years, and they are always trying to smile and hide the worry on the advice of counsel. So much of courtroom drama is just that…drama.
Mrs. Libby is quite lovely, dark hair, always wearing a beautiful scarf, trying to stay calm under all of that pressure. Once on the elevator, I got into a conversation with Jeffress about the "math geek" conversations that he, Wells and Fitz had been having with Judge Walton regarding the procedure for jury selection strikes on Monday. Perhaps you have to be a lawyer or a math person to get the hilarity of the discussion on this sort of minutiae, but we had a good laugh about it nonetheless. Jeffress is the sort of trial attorney who is detail oriented and meticulous in his presentations, but who can laugh about the absurdity of the law around the edges — the kind of person with whom I likely would have been chummy had this been my local courthouse on a day to day basis, and it was odd realizing that having covered his representation of Libby for so long. Wells has a much more flamboyant style, he's much more old school trial attorney, and that was never my cup of legal tea — the sort of person who would have been a colleague for me, but not exactly a pal, you know?
Libby spent the rest of the day looking over at me on the press bench and smiling a little, perhaps thinking he'd found a kindred math spirit or something. (Barbara Comstock disabused him of that when she realized who he was looking at…somehow, I don't think I'm her favorite for some reason. Ahem.)
Later that day, Patrick Fitzgerald held the door open for me to re-enter the courtroom after a break. He was a little fumbly with the "no please, you go ahead" in that way that men have when they are either shy or thinking about other things but trying to remember their manners. He is very tall and much more soft spoken in person that I anticipated — must be that Jesuit training — but when he gets annoyed with defense counsel tactics, watch out. That male pattern bald spot of his creeps into a bright pink, as the anger moves up from his neck, and his voice roars out in disgusted indignation. Fitz gets his Irish up very calmly, very matter of factly, and much in the way that you would never want to be the recipient of it, I can tell you that.
The media folks are a mix of personalities and knowledge about the case and the law. I really enjoyed getting to know a number of them — and enjoyed talking about the case, and haggling the facts and pointing a few of them to some great resources (like eRiposte for the Niger documents). I have to say, in all honesty, that getting to meet Nina Totenberg was an honor and a thrill for me — I have loved her Supreme Court summaries at the end of each term for as long as I can remember, and the humor that she injects into each one along with the legal analysis was one of the reasons that the practice of law called to me. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to thank her for that while she was there because we were all so caught up in trial details every day, but thank you, Nina.
I am so grateful to Judge Walton and his wonderful staff who granted us the press passes. Judge Walton's actions with the jury are designed to empower them, to bring them into the heart of the legal process — they are told they are "judges of the facts," they are allowed to ask questions of the witnesses (by writing the question out on a 3×5 card, and then the judge and attorneys haggle over what is or is not relevant, and then the witness is asked any appropriate question); and by allowing each juror to take notes througout the trial in notebooks that they may then use to refresh their own memories during deliberations. This is wonderful, and has led to a very active, very involved and attentive jury — which, considering the detail in this case, is a very good thing for all sides.
Most of all, though, I am so grateful to all of you for helping us to fund this venture and for giving us so much support for covering this case along the way. Being able to describe all of this in as much detail as we can for you is a pleasure — it is always more fun to have someone to share this sort of conversation with, and we honestly could not ask for a better bunch of folks in our comments and reading the blog and sending feedback via e-mail. All through the week last week, when I would get tired or feel mentally drained, I'd remind myself that you all were depending on us to get this coverage right and to do it thoroughly, and that would spur me forward with more detail and a renewed sense of purpose, and I thank you for that because it pushed me to do an even better job than I otherwise might have done.
Sitting here this morning in the calm of my kitchen, looking back on the whirlwind of the week last week…well, it seems a bit surreal, to be perfectly honest. In a good way, mind you.
But today, I'm going to spend hanging out with The Peanut and Mr. ReddHedd, mulling over some of the bits and pieces in the back of my mind for a post later in the weekend, but mainly relaxing and helping The Peanut ease back into her regular routine. I've been missed by my girl, and she's been missed right back. Am hoping to get some time this weekend to peek at the seed catalogs that arrived while I was gone — the beautiful flowers on the covers beckon to me with all the frozen landscape outside.
But I cannot help but think about the lawyers on both sides of this trial — they'll get no relaxation this weekend. I'm certain that motions and response briefs are flying fast and furious between the two. We already know that a subpoena went out for Karl Rove and Dan Bartlett from Team Libby (according to Isikoff in Newsweek), and with Cathie Martin still on the stand and Ari Fleischer on deck…it's only going to get more complicated in terms of the twists and malignant turns within the Bush Administration and Vice President Cheney's office as we go forward.
Part of my mind is still whirring back in DC this morning, but another part is breathing a sigh of relief to be out of the maelstrom and back home. I'm going to pour myself another cuppa coffee. You do the same, and pull up a chair…
PS — Bob Geiger has some hilarious cartoons this morning. hehehe
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mornin’ all
ROOTZ!
Is it too early for a Martini? Morning Firedogs!
Christy – any read of the jury – body language, scowls, rolling of eyes, evidence of dislike of any witnesses or lawyers, etc?
Welcome home, Christy. I’m enjoying the behind the scenes color commentary about elevators, scarves and whatnot as much as the trenchant legal analysis. You guys are doing great work!
TEAM FDL ROCKS !!!!
There’s no place like home. Missed you guys for a while, phone problem and I have dial up.
Looks like Fredo is on his “I took a shit on the coffee table, what’s your plan to clean it up?” rant this morning.
Hi Christy,
One thing that we can all count on is the unvarnished truth coming out of FDL’s coverage.
You all have earned that kind of trust. Thanks for that.
I hope reconnecting with the Peanut and Mr. Redd is all that and more. Ya’ll enjoy it.
Anyone seen Vegas odds on conviction vs. acquittal?
Oops. Heh. Drat you, Christy. Now I have to amend the draft I was working on for tomorrow. You have some of the same stuff in this one.
Good morning! Christy, I love the commentary you’re doing on the personalities involved in the trial.
Do you have any theories on why the Defense has called Rove and Bartlett? I can see that they’d be very useful indeed if Scooter was charged with the leak, but how do they help with the perjury and obstruction?
To me, it’s starting to look like Team Libby is working for Fitz, helping him get a lot of information on the public record that goes toward the case against Cheney and Rove for leaking the nature of Mrs. Wilson’s employment.
Hi, Christy — love the word pictures you paint for us! From the courtroom and from your kitchen. We’ve scant snow here, too. Worrisome for the cabin plumbing, but those flower catalogs remind that spring’s not far ahead.
A couple small typos “onestly” should be “honestly” in the you paragraph. And further down, “Vie” President should be “Vice”–well, actually, should be “indicted, disgraced, former Vice” President. But that’s just one opinion….
And speaking of NBC shills the WH can count on, this morning on MSNBC Alex Witt was trying to get her military guest to echo the WH spin that the resolutions are encouraging the enemy and disheartening the troops. You’d think NBC wouldn’t want to be so obvious in their steno-spin.
I want to thank you all at FDL for staying with this Libby case, and explaining things so well. Mass media heads said prior to the start of this trial that nobody would remember or care. Seems like they were wrong about that one.
Pach at 10 — No, please don’t amend. I’d love to hear your take. This all sort of came out in a spew this morning, so it was just stream of consciousness. I’d really love to hear what you thought on everyone and all of this — your eye on detail with personalities in terms of the psych perspective is a very valuable one for me, so please don’t change it around.
Thanks for the insight Christy. I hope Jane is getting some needed rest and recovery. It is good to have you both back.
I would have pegged Comstock for many things but not for being anti-mathite.
Beautiful picture. Japanese gardens are always my favorites. I miss the one in Portland, OR.
Christy,
You probably cannot imagine all of us glued to our laptops or desktops unable to move, unable to work, unable to concentrate on anything else while you and Marcy are feeding our newly found addiction.
The rest of the press is just waking up to what we’ve known all along was going to pop the cork of this putrid administration. Once the genie starts oozing out of the bottle, they won’t be able to put it back in.
The MSM is about to be forced to make some really big decisions, will they accept that they were patsys all along, eating the cocktail weenies, basking in their access while being played like a cheap violin? Will they hold their noses and continue the fetid practice to keep their precious access? OR, Will they start doing their damned jobs?
They are lucky to have you and Team FDL to lead the way. Maybe we all will be lucky if they realize it and learn something.
You see that thing JMM quoted about Fleischer freaking over the WP article’s mentioning that the leaker might get the death penalty? Wow. I think that is the same article as the 1×2×6 article.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..012145.php
RevDeb at 16 — Marcy has been amazing, start to finish each day. She’s an iron woman in terms of transcribing everything — and I have something like 60 plus pages of handwritten notes from the courtroom and trial coverage to go back through and pull out bits and pieces for you guys. Pach started us off with a bang durning jury selection and we haven’t looked back…
Ahhh…Our VP Mr. Cheney, he’s one in a million, isn’t he?? What a genuinely nice guy. Not sure if you’ve seen seen this Daily Show ‘interview’ or not, but it’s pretty hilarious stuff:
http://minor-ripper.blogspot.c…..ywolf.html
Anyway if Fleischer has immunity (or even if not, since we’re talking about Fleischer), doesn’t that mean he’ll lie through his teeth?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 18
Amazing, just amazing.
I hope some $$ is coming in to help both the “project” and the site upkeep. You all have MORE THAN EARNED IT.
jayt at 4 — I’d rather not get into any specifics about the individual jurors, if you don’t mind. It’s probably trial lawyer caution, but once the jurors are seated and a jury is sworn, I never like to do anything that could tinker with any individual hearing the case — no ammo for either team of attorneys to argue for juror replacement or anything. I’ve been through that in court and it’s never pretty, and I don’t want to be someone who contributes to that in any way.
I will say that the entire jury seems very attentive and listens carefully to the witnesses, which bodes well for this type of trial.
Welcome home and have a happy weekend with your indoor and outdoor family members!
We lived in a rental house for a few years and had a bird feeder that attached to the outside of our ground-floor window with suction cups. One family of chickadees trained several years’ worth of babies how to land on our windowsill and fly from there to the feeder perch. I used to stand right next to them on my side of the glass and watch, entranced, as they figured it out. It more than made up for the parents “dee dee dee”-ing at dawn outside the upstairs window, telling us to bring more seeds stat. :-)
Jerelyn thinks it will only hurt Irving if Rover testifies.
Is anyone attending any anti-war rallies today? I’m going to head to downtown DC in a little while.
Christy,
I’ve wondered if The Peanut was a boy or a girl. I have girls (now 18 and 20), and know what a joy they are. Just enjoy her; in no time she’ll be a big girl! Thanks again for your hard work.
Thanks for all the great coverage Chirsty. Your perspective on the legal details and personalities has been priceless.
F.Y.I. to the readers this morning, “priceless” costs money. Ask not what FDL can do for you, ask what you can do for FDL…
anti-war rally in DC footage on CNN now… they said they “will have a lot more coverage ahead”
none at 20 — No, not at all. If I had to guess, I’d say it was a very limited grant of immnity to Fleischer in terms of it applying to a very specific set of facts and circumstances and that is it. An immunity deal is never a blanket set of immunity for any crime committed ever — and it never, ever allows the person testifying to commit perjury or lie to investigators with impunity. If Fleischer lies on the stand, you can expect an indictment to be forthcoming almost immediately — I’d bank on that.
Christy,
Our bird feeders are and have always been raided more by the squirrels than by the birds. We finally found an inexpensive spring-loaded one that the squirrels can’t get into. They still get more than enough out of the others though.
Here, mostly Cardinals, Bluejays, Juncos, Nuthatches, Tufted Titmice, and a few Downey woodpeckers. Morining Doves on the ground cleaning up after them all.
It is now almost Feb. and we have yet to have measurable snow in the Boston area. Not. Good.
for donations going to the FDL Real World DC, the donation should end in .07 right?
Christy: the traffic on this place has obviously been heavy during the trial. Do you get the feeling that your coverage might one day be looked at as, well, historically significant, momentous? Sam Ervin would, I think, be pleased. This is more riveting than Watergate. And the stakes are certainly higher.
Pach — I think Marcy was going today as well.
Karl Rove has been subpoenaed in Libby Trial. MSNBC
O Happy Day!
This trial is getting better and better. Rove and Bartlett? I’m betting there will be a lot more. I don’t know if it is admissable or not, but the administration saying nobody did anything and now we find the behind the scenes happenings display the opposite. It certainly proves they are liars. Not just Libby. They were all trying to cover their asses. If any of that is cordinated, wouldn’t that be a conspiracy? (No I am not a conspiracy theorist. It’s a question) If Matalin has to appear, I will be grateful it is not on TV. She and Van Sustern must have the same plastic surgeon. He must only know how to make one face.
Kentucky Woman @ 35
well, he’ll be prepped for sure, they know the answers he’s gonna give and they plan on some kind of shiny object to take everyone’s eye off the ball
let’s hope the jury doesn’t fall for it
Kentucky Woman @ 35
MSNBC Breaking News: Day late….
Guess that means their coverage of the anti-war rally in DC will air manana….
retirin at 34 — One of the things that has been most interesting is to see the shifting perspectives of the media about this blog in particular as we’ve been at the courthouse. A number of the reporters told me they had already been reading here — for the legal analysis and the media dissection that Jane and I have been doing on this case…well, since this blog got started, really. But a lot more of them had not, and they had no concept of why we were really there or how we would be acting in terms of coverage, because they had no context for us. Pach started things off on a very professional footing from the get go the first week, and we have now evolved into a sort of “one of the media crew” feeling with them, mainly because of the depth of knowledge that all of us had about varying aspects of the case. They realized, I think, that this isn’t some sort of play acting at being reporters, but that we have a genuine interest in the details and the analysis on this, and that we do it as well as we can.
So there is a grudging level of respect, for the most part. And the most amusing thing was that by the end of the week, I became a sort of legal resource for a lot of folks in terms of what the motions were and the bench arguments were about and the implications of various rulings over the long term court process, etc. — and it was pissing Barbara Comstock off royally as she sat in the bench in front of me every day that people were asking me in stead of her (at least, that’s how it seemed, because I wasn’t spinning them, I was just teling them the law flat out and leaving them to consider whatever political implications there might be on their own).
Prairie Sunshine @ 37
they’re talking about the anti war march that happened before we went into Iraq…it’s a few years late
Morning Christy,
Thanks again for everything.
This combined coverage has just been amazing. You are setting a very high bar for the rest of the journalists you met last week. I’m sure they’re taking notice.
Morning, Christy *hugs* – question – did you introduce yourself in the elevator with the Libby team? Or spare their nerves?
Prairie Sunshine @ 36
I was surprised by the timing of this “dump” myself….
Christy @ 38
Well you’ve certainly made it impossible for me to get any work done. Wife and I will be sending additional love via email (don’t trust money on the tubes). Great job by all! Go Fitz! Go Jane!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 40
How good does that feel?
Hi Babs! Hope you’re enjoying the reading here. LOTS more to come.
Hi everybody – heading to the protest shortly
Sharkbabe @ 47
Give a shout out for me. Wish I could be there too.
Go represent, Sharkbabe, and stay warm. check in so we know you weren/t disappeared.
Kathryn at 41 — I had my press badge on at all times, so they knew I had a media pass. But I didn’t introduce myself, mainly because it was the day of openings and I figured Wells had enough on his mind and I didn’t want to inject that into the mix. When Jeffress and I were talking, we did so quietly. I know how it is for attorneys on the day of opening – you are running through all the permutations in your mind of your case, your theme, your planned remarks — and it didn’t seem appropriate to jiggle that in any way and insert myself into the process — I would not have wanted someone to do that to me, so I didn’t do that to them.
Interviewing a guy about Bush 41’s wiping little sonny’s nose and saying “bad media. bad. bad.” this morning on MSNBC, Alex Witt said in the interest of full disclosure she needed to point out that the man had been a Democratic legislator.
The guy said yeah, 20 years ago. So I guess this means O’Beirne will hereafter always be introduced as the wife of the man who did the hiring in Iraq and picked the wingnut kids over the expertise?
And Witt…will she preface every question with, “as a biased shill for the Bush WH second only to Michele Bachmann, I’m wondering….”?
Oh, the guy talking about Poppy’s still covering for little shrub? He said Bush brought it on itself and it’s embarrassing that a mature man who’s president of the US has to have his daddy fight his battles for him.
retirin’ in five @ 43
Should read “snailmail.”
Thanks, Christy – need these details!!
Sharkbabe @ 46
Shake it up good, Sharkbabe!
RevDeb said (and I agree and hope):
I want to thank the commenter yesterday (Ed*ard maybe) who provided the link to the videoclip of Marcy and Bryan York on C-Span. It is unfortunate that Mr. York is so rude and/or unwilling or incapable of shutting up and letting the much more informed and intelligent Marcy speak without talking over her. I guess he is just an example of the much used technique of the less you have to say (in terms of facts etc.) the more and louder you talk.
Magnificient Job FDL!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 35
Cool. I just talked to her. We’ll meet downtown.
Oh, and words fail me at the incredibleness of team FDL this week. We’re truly witnessing the dawn of a new age.
I am delighted that the media grew to consider the FDLers the experts. That’s why we needed you there, not just in your homes attached to the pdf files and the media accounts. You need to help these guys learn to do their jobs.
So awful that they are getting paid well, and all you get is adulation form the likes of us…
Sharkbabe at 55 — Thanks much. You guys are making me blush this morning. *g*
any idea as to who’s speaking today in D.C.? (other than Kucininch?)
It is a shame, but I know I would rather have the respect of the FDL family than all the phoney, in reality worthless, US Dollars in the world! But then I’m not your normal materialistic consumer.
Thanks Christy,
As the events unfold, it looks to me that
the “concerted effort” by the Bush Adm to push
back Wilson, may become a “conspiracy”
At what point, does push back turn into a
conspiracy, with unindicted co-conspirators?
Jack
gosh, hope my employer doesn’t monitor my internet usage at work – I would be so busted for having FDL up all day last week. Many thanks for all of you providing this fascinating coverage and hope that the pawltry amount I sent in for you guys helped in some way.
And now for a completely “teenage moment” – (I’m actually 42), tell David Schuster and Patrick Fitzgerald that I said “hey.” LOL LOL :)
All the best from The Woodlands, Texas.
The personal details of the cast of characters in the trial remind me of discussions in college English classes as to whether readers should delve into biographies of the authors. I am in favor of knowing, just as I enjoy the descriptions here of demeanor, clothes, tics, and tone of these people who have had so much to do with where our country is today.
CNN says live report on anti-surge rally coming up… looks like crystal clear skies in DC today.
Alison at 56 — You know, a lot of the media folks are very knowledgeable about the case and want to give it thorough coverage, but they are constrained by page space in the newspaper or time space constraints on tv, or editorial cuts inthe the stories they want to file, and legal departments pulling them back from saying certain things, etc., etc. The way things are currently done in teh corporate structure of the media really hogties the reporters in a lot of ways. (Of course, sometimes that can be good, if you have a reporter like, say, Judy Miller, who is running amok with articles that NEED to be fact checked…but that’s a whole other discussion on its own.) It’s a complicated problem, the way the current media culture is set up — and one that the folks at Neiman and folks like Jay Rosen have talked about a lot. SOmethg that I hope to do more on once we get past trial coverage, actually, because it needs a lot more discussion.
Give em hell, Sharky.
CNN live in DC now
Oh, that’s worth so much more than you know.
Morning Everyone! Its freezing out (brrrrr). Christy you write (and think) fabulously. Your insights today also are amazing. I really hope you are planning to put this all into a book. It is wonderful.
I have been away from fdl too much the last few days (in addition to work, we just had a sweet 16 b’day party for our daughter – 45 kids plus or minus (boys and girls). Lots of prep, nervous. It was great but I am beat.
I have a fresh brewed pot behind me (half real/ half decaf – that way I get twice the number of cups before getting jittery).
the brew is Columbian if anyone would like some.
Lou Costello @
66
They will also be covering the counter-demonstrations…
Bay State Librul @ 62
Personally, I’d like to see a lot of INDICTED co-conspirators.
Jeebus. CNN anchorette (whoever she is) just posed a burning question to the audience re: the protest today. The logical question might be: Do you support the troop surge/escalation/enhancement?
But NOOOOOOOO. Her question: Do you think criticism of the war is –
Didn’t hear the rest because Mr. Marks flipped the channel, but it was obvious where she was headed.
twolf1 @ 69
I think the counter demonstrators can actually serve if they believed in their own point
Christy, no offense, but I am just so happy for Jane that I find it difficult to focus on how Libby is slow-roasting.
Morning pups,
I am so fascinated by the possibility that this trial could bring down this administration but know so little about the law I would like to ask a couple of questions…please forgive my ignorance…
If Rove is found to have lied to the grand jury or that he has commited any illegal act could any action against Rove be taken by this court or would a new trial be necessary?
I have read that many believe Fitz ultimately has his eye on Cheney.How wide is the scope of this trial and what discovery would create the worst case scenario for Cheney and what action could this court then take?
Thanks
Evidently MSNBC still thinks it is a blockbuster that Rove was subpoenaed yesterday.
Last night on “Hardball”, David Schuster said that the jury were able to write questions to be asked in trial. This is paraphrasing now, Schuster said that one of the “questions” questioned the ethics of one of Libby’s attorneys. Wonder which one?
This guy rivals Tai Shan (baby panda) for adorableness.
O.T. Molly Ivins is not doing well. Send prayers.
Hello from cloudy LA. What an amazing week this was.
Hi friends. How is everyone this fine morning?
RevDeb @ 70
Me, too, but the words unindicted co-conspirators just flies off the tongue and
sounds so wonderful.
Millineryman @ 80
And that was only the appetizer. Main course and dessert yet to come.
Wonderful post, Christy, and thanks for the pic. It’s perfect. We’re so glad you’re covering the trial, but it’s also great to see you back home with family. Have a nice weekend.
The trial coverage here has been simply amazing. So much of the detail and courtroom strategy would never have reached us without you all. Thanks. Thanks.
retirin’ in five @
32
Oooooooh I do! fwiw. There’s NEVER been anything even close, has there? And the MSM are beginning to buzz about it on a regular basis. And they try to copy the idea, with mixed, and sometimes hilariously stoopid-looking results, heh.
I look for FDL, & good blogs in general, to be held in much higher regard in the future. ;->
FDL is a LEADER!! Yeehaw guys. Congrats!
this is what I wait for. Redd’s take on the people, the atmosphere, the little winks and “tells.” My teenage son who loves poker loves that part the best. Marcy’s live blogging was/is amazing, but this is the stuff I wait for with bated breath.
Brilliant piece by Dowd in NYT on Cheney: http://select.nytimes.com/gst/…..Q2BQ7DQ2AA)4w4AwQ2AQ2BQ7DQ25AuQ25bgiGm
Also an amazing article by Gary Wills in the NYT on how the position of Commander-in-Chief in its current shape is largely an invention of Bush (and Reagon). Brilliant, and scary!!!
oops! manners! Morning Christy, Pach, everyone.
How ya doin’?
retirin’ in five @
32
I sat thru every minute of the televised Ervin hearings. I’m certain he would approve and encourage FDL’s groundbreaking work here.
I’m so grateful to be one of the pups (albeit mostly a lurker) who is now able to see this trial through your educated and articulate minds.
And, to the bought-and-paid-for Corporate Media: Read and Quake. We are watching, we will know the truth, and we are legion.
(((Jane)))
(((Molly)))
Witney @ 61
Me too, LOL!!!
RevDeb @ 81
Roast Chenney on a Stick perhaps?
Christy – or others. Is there any sense about what Wells hopes to get from Rove. How can Rove’s statements help at all to support Libby on the issues he is charged with? Or, is this only a ploy, and if so what sort?
6F in Boston this morning. Brrrrrrrrr… Come on in the water is fffRoZeN
RH @ 14 – this was a “spew?” man, what you could do if you had time, eh? and by all means, Pach and Marcy, do your thing, too. the more the merrier. we can’t get enough!
Coverage is soooooo…good.
Thanks abunch.
Have had some ‘cognitive dissonance’ trying to align CHS as ‘an ol’ country lawyer’ as Sam Ervin wryly self-deprecated.
The Venn diagrams would have a fair amount of legal crossover, I’d expect.
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Still streaming CSPAN astronauts’ Apollo 1 memorial waiting for DC coverage [GO!, Sharkbabe!]…I’ll just say that I loved my own father, I’d have to put Walter Cunningham on the alternate list.
A gem.
Christie, everyone knows you and Marcie and Pachacutec are putting our regular pack of news mutts to shame.
I’d like to acknowledge Hardin’s role in all this, giving you passes, involving the jury, and actually listening to what’s going on. Imagine if we’d had someone like Ito up there! So if the “analytical minded” jurors were dismissed, through Hardin we have the best of this not-so-best-of-all-possible worlds.
I get the feeling that Fleischer testimony is going to be the proverbial bomb in a china shop, so everybody hold on to your hats. It has been an amazing week for FDL, but I think that this is just the beginning.
Crystal clear and 34 degress according to my window thermometer here in Portland. the sun just this minute appeared over the horizon. It’s going to be a beautiful day.
Still just shaking my head at how brilliant Fitzgerald is revealing himself to be. The entire strategy, from taking early steps to avoid greymail to avoiding a titanic media storm by not going straight for the big fish, all the while driving a stake right to the heart of the matter, boggles my mind. I wish great things for Patrick Fitzgerald.
Have had ‘cognitive dissonance’ trying to alingn CHS as ‘an ol’ country lawyer’
Aint W VA about as country as it gets, Christy?
Thank you Christy…always gracious and smart with your commentary. The up close and personal assessments are so observant and fair; would that our MSM would do the same.
I happened to stumble across the following words of wisdom from Mark Twain and thought how unnecessary this whole mess of a trial would have been if the cast of characters had followed his sage advice….
That would be because you totally dissed her fashionista bonafides!
Beware a woman whose metallic leather skirt has been criticized…
On our moronic cultural priorities. I posted this Tuesday on my own blog:
neil @ 92
Ugh — I just escaped that, but have to fly back to Boston tomorrow. What’s the forecast?
Am I wrong, or is Cheney and his crew at open war with the rest of the White House?
Is Cheney really going to get on the stand and say the White House tried to throw Libby under the bus in order to save Karl Rove?
Didn’t Kathlie Martin, who still works in the White House (although not for Cheney, anymore), basically just accuse Libby and Cheney of being unethical thugs who don’t care about classified information?
Speculation: Cheney made a big big push last fall to get Libby a pardon. Went all out behind the scenes.
But Rove advised Bush not to do so, because it would hurt him politically.
So now Cheney has no problem with Wells strategy to throw Rove under the bus, and will embrace it with gusto.
Cheney had to decide to whom he had loyalty — Bush or Libby. And perhaps he’s chosen Libby.
This is a bit of speculation, but we’ll see how it plays out.
> fwiw. There’s NEVER been anything even close, has there?
Yes there has, and yes there is.
See groklaw for even-more-detailed and comprehensive coverage of the legal struggle over the right to create free software, including transcriptions of all the filings in the several cases, and copious analysis from both legal and software experts.
And back in the day when Scientology’s Moxon/Kobrin barratry team was actively harassing online critics, there was a regular “newspaper” on Usenet, written by someone with all the moxie and smarts that Marcy and Christy & Co. are displaying.
Cold here west of Boston…brain might need a jump:
CHS:
Legally like the good Sam.
ol’? nope.
male? nope.
etc.
Grounded in Constitution?
Believe it!
—-
clarifying previous intent.
TRex @ 96
me too. The unusual circumstances around Fleischer’s coming to investigators insisting immunity tells me he had a story he wanted to tell. The thing about Ari and that AF1 flight is that, well, he wasn’t alone. The effect could be shattering.
…more live coverage of DC rally on CNN now…
Pretty picture and cute. How many reformed lawyers write as lyricly as CHS? Thanks for the treat C.
twolf1 @ 106
Some how I don’t trust them. I’ll wait til the bloggers “call in” with their reports.
…cspan now has live coverage too
pontificator @ 103
if libby wanted to throw rove under the bus this trial would be over and rove would be charged
this is a shiny object
and cheney was auditioning for tough questioning on wolf blitzer, he was practicing his “you better defer to me” shtick, blitzer was told to level some big questions at cheney so he could practice
rove is a shiny object, cheney is another shiney object
cheney is gonna say;
“I can’t tell you that”
he’s gonna say;
“if I answered that question it would put national security at risk”
he’s gonna say;
“Libby did not do anything wrong, he did not reveal anything that he was not supposed to reveal”
and he’s gonna say;
“if you knew what we knew you would be ashamed this trial took place”
Sun Scarecrow @ 102
SUN High 30 low 15
MON High 25 low 20 Snow showers
TUE HIgh 22 low 7
Some unkind cuts on SOTU and the escalation, to say the least! But I think Luckovich’s take on Pelosi vs. Media Coverage takes my prize today, not for being the funniest thing on the page, but for being relevant while not running with the herd.
Team FDL: Thank you so much for excellent coverage this week. It’s been truly “groundbreaking” — in fact, y’all broke so much ground that I had to cite what FDL is doing on a job app to Ford Foundation with regard to what true public service media looks/acts/reports like.
Media Reborn at the Lake.
re: Nina Totenberg — yes, she’s one of the best at ol’ NPR. Gives it straight up and her “chaser” is always a grin of sorts.
Enjoy home — I’ve been planting bare root trees, it’s a race against the clock now what with our fake spring weather out in Northern Cali. Would go to the big SF protest except, as usual, waters are muddied with other “causes” — can’t it just be an anti-Iraq War protest just once? Must we protest even sin of hegemony throughout the world?
*sigh* Instead, here up in Mendo, I’ll just console myself with a small town protest of kindred spirits.
Again, many thanks — keep it up. And may the Lady Jane be on the mend and with us soon. Peace to the cottages…
RevDeb @
16
The MSM will:
1. exploit the sensation of this trial,
2. ignore their own culpability,
and
3. continue to do their only job – SELLING ADVERTISING.
neil @ 112
Thanks, neil. No snow tomorrow. Good. But weird winter, No?
perris – is Cheney going to say, “I can’t tell you what I told investigators when they interviewed me back when, erm, since I have to tell you something different now, I won’t say what it is.” ? Wonder if Dick made some false statements that this trial is exposing for the world to see. Nothing top secret about that. Same goes for Bush when he was interviewed, no?
Will we hit Iran next week to take Cheney et al off the front pages?
_
Speaking of birds and snow, I checked March of the Penguins out of the library, and I finally watched it yesterday. It’s not easy to make myself do thar with a movie when no one wants to watch with me. In fact, most movies I check out end up being returned, unwatched, 5 days later.
Anyway, I was determined not to let that happen yet again, so I did watch MOTP, a bit at a time, over the course of the day. Two thoughts: 1. It was really stunningly beautiful visually and 2. It really, really sucks to be a penguin.
BobbyG @ 118
Or vice versa? With this crowd, it’s hard to know.
watching the continuous coverage on C-Span – can’t get any perspective of the total size of the crowd….
Christy. Cheers to you and Peanut taking some time to relax(!)
Forgive me, but you worry me, gal. As one who also has had ‘joint issues’, I implore you to be especially careful during this trial.
40pp handwritten notes/hand-cramp that wouldn’t ease were in your report this week.
Yes, there’s the well-known, treatable carpal tunnel syndrome.
But have you heard of focal dystonia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_dystonia
It is real, and even more serious than carpal tunnel, because docs still do not have a clear idea of exactly what causes it (except over-use is a strong suspect). It is pretty-much untreatable for all practical purposes, it’s usually permanent, and it can cause permanent damage very quickly – unlike the rather slow-developing carpal tunnel syndrome. As you’ll see in the Wikipedia article, it has been career-ending for a number of great musicians (some of whom we know personally, so we are acutely aware of their struggle to recover, without success).
We love your background fly-on-the-wall accounts, but if that hand continues acting up, please take it seriously and seek help.
The best thing you personally could do to treat, & to guard against it is anything you can think of to help the offended muscles relax, and recoup. If you must take copious notes, try to increase your repertoire of personal code signs & shorthand, to cut down on the strain of writing everything out in detail.
Now, the purely selfish part of me wants to thank you for your incredible skills of observation, and detailed reporting. You are a true wonder!
- and a rascal(!) riding up the elevator w/ scooter holding the door one time, fitzie another?! (plus driving comstock a little crazy – heh?)
Ooooh that red hair is totally unfair. *g*
Muzzy @ 117
ya, he’s gonna say something along the lines;
I said what needed to be said to protect national security, so therefore nothing I said can be considered obstruction of justice
I Am Fitz Hair Me Roar..!
Christy, these are swell snippets not found in the Washington Post, the New York(er) Times, Vanity Fair or Page Six!
Manly Manners, and Mannerisms
Christy, Marcy & Pach, thanks for the courtside view into the trial. The timelines were always a headache for me, but the way Fitz is building his case is making it easier for me to understand. When Marcy’s book arrives, I’ll be able to roll with the ‘Big Dogs’(I hope).
I’ll mail another donation (snail mail) this week. Is the ending still $.04 for that?
Pach- I can’t wait to read your post tomorrow. Wish I were in DC for the protest.
Speaking of birds and snow, I checked March of the Penguins out of the library, and I finally watched it yesterday. It’s not easy to make myself do thar with a movie when no one wants to watch with me. In fact, most movies I check out end up being returned, unwatched, 5 days later.
Anyway, I was determined not to let that happen yet again, so I did watch MOTP, a bit at a time, over the course of the day. Two thoughts:
1. It was really stunningly beautiful visually and 2. It really, really
sucks to be a penguin.
Nice post over on the WaPo (in an article about the Pissy Boy Decision-Maker-Deciderer):
Yeah, I watched that CNN segment as well. Bush is just tryin’ to kick this can down the road, using our soldiers as cover.
Muzzy @ 117
You are right.
Bush and Cheney lied to Fitzy (but they were
not under oath).
Isn’t Bush the decider? He decided to approve
the Wilson smear and had his lieutenants take
charge.
Case closed.
Revelations will bring down the Presidency in flames…
Jack
BobbyG @ 118
I think there is a UN vote on sanctions on Feb. 2, so probably not before then. After that, Katy bar the door.
BobbyG @ 117
BobbyG
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap…..66918.html
Tuesday is a busy day.
also Sen Armed Srvs Fallon confirmmation.
——-
Not to mention this ongoing trial.
We live in interesting times.
I figure Cheney would say something like, “If you ask me questions, you’re helping the people who want to kill Americans.”
Thanks for the great coverage, Christy.
Somehow I find myself feeling a little sorry for Libby. I know that he and Cheney have been dark actors for many years now, and, I hope that justice will be served. Yet…when you described his “worried eyes”, I felt a pang of pity.
I love
havingmaking the opportunity to tell people who inspired me that they did. Tell her. What you wrote here is a great way to say it.Nellieh @ 35
Bay State Librul @ 62
Thanks Christy,
As the events unfold, it looks to me that
the “concerted effort” by the Bush Adm to push
back Wilson, may become a “conspiracy”
At what point, does push back turn into a
conspiracy, with unindicted co-conspirators?
Jack
My question is also at what point does push back become conspiracy? If Fitz has “plenary powers(?),” why can he not charge under a violation of SF-312? Who is responsible for enforcement of SF-312? Or Executive Orders, for that matter. I just can’t help but think that with all the investigation, surely Fitz has found something beside just this perjury, lying to FBI, and obstruction charges against Libby. Others have obviously done some very wrong things. I’m getting impatient for the days of Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski.
BobbyG @ 127
For the record, Battle for Haifa Street was done by CBS News’ Lara Logan. But maybe they’re showing it on CNN and that’s what your reference is to? Apparently, CBS put it up on the toobz, but didn’t air it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/section…..d=2371456n
Does this effort-FDL libby trial coverage- still need cash? Tell me where to send it, and I’ll gladly contribute. So grateful for your incredible effort and expertise- and of course, HUGE hearts!
Yet…when you described his “worried eyes”, I felt a pang of pity.
Yeah, I kinda do too. But mostly, it’s this recurring sense that, even when someone is *finally* brought to justice, it’s almost never the guys at the top who *really* deserve it. They always seem to have someone to take the fall for them.
I’ve been riveted by the FDL trial coverage, Christy. I love the descriptions of people, their expressions and moves, and the insights into what’s going on. Pach’s psych-eye view of the jury selection was a whole new way to look at it. And Marcy must have the stamina of an NFL linebacker to sit there hour after hour with fingers flying. Thanks so much to all of you.
mrsmarks @ 135
After Lara pleaded with other journalists to cover the story — bloggers spread the word — several news services picked up the story. I’ve seen at least three or four stories on Haifa street battles in the last day or two.
Christy – as always, thanks to the whole FDL crew for the work they’re doing in DC and beyond. A special thanks to the Mr & Peanut for coping with your absence so you can do this work.
I also appreciate your respect and courtesy for the court, the jurors, the lawyers. Civility can go a long way in situations like this, and you’re proving once again you’re a class act.
Next week we Celtic/Eclectic Pagans will be celebrating Imbolc, the return of the Light. Sacred to Brigit,the Mother of Ireland, we mark the return of the Sun, the days become longer, the hope of Spring is the the belly of Winter, and life returns to the earth.
My personal work will take on a decidedly political note (but my Goddess expects that by now), drawing parallels between the old ways and the new, willing our nation to come from the dark and cold of these past 6 years, into the light of a new cycle of democracy and justice for all.
There’s a lot of hope these days, Jane, oh Jane, how good to see your byline! The seed catalogs bring us hope and promise, our new Democratic Congress begins its work, and Spring is just a few weeks away.
Back east, when I was kid, the first true sign of spring for me were the violets softly blooming under the trees of Rock Creek Park. I know that this winter has been a bust, mostly, and that the cherry trees down on the Tidal Basin were budding weeks ago, but I hope you see some violets, gently, quietly, bring color and joy to the woods nearby.
If ever there’s a time that you, or Jane, or Pach, or Marcy get down and discouraged, if all the craven power-mad bastards seem to have the upper hand, do what I did on so many dark days and nights of the 60s – take a walk on our national Mall. Go into our secular temples to Jefferson and Lincoln, and read the words carved into the stones. They are a eternal wellspring of hope and challenge for our nation.
I get paid next week, more $ on the way then for – what did someone call it upthread? – FDL Real World DC!
peace to all,
Re Cspan coverage of anti-war: a great example if people in Iraq et al. see it. Perhaps give courage to “peaceniks” there to stand up and moderate their extremists there.
Scarecrow @ 166 “Thanks, neil. No snow tomorrow. Good. But weird winter, No?”
Weather patterns are all f*cked up. Three weeks ago it was 70F. Two weeks ago I saw a “V” of geese flying NORTH! Their cues are messed up… undoubtedly will effect the flock size for years to come. I hope you enjoy your stay in the Hub.
teeceecee @ 136
Up near the top of each post, on the right side, there’s a blue box that says “Donate.” Click on the MC/Visa/Paypal buttons to do it electronically (via the credit card or Paypal), or send it snail mail to the address provided.
Scarecrow @ 139: That’s great news. Thanks for fleshing it out!
Adie @ 122
Solution? Dragon. The ramped up general edition is only $199 (they have legal and medical editions that are a good bit more expensive — around $1,200 — owing to the extensive technical terminology databases they must contain).
I assist outpatient clinics with the transition to EMRs — Electronic Medical Records systems. A lot of doctors like Dragon, ‘cuz they can just dictate right into their notes for extended variable length progress note summaries, where picking choices off a template is insufficient and typing them in is not practical, given the typical visit time constraints.
I’m a Category 5 typist myself, but I’m thinking about putting in Dragon here at home to help speed up work on the textbook I’m working on. It ain’t error-proof, but Dragon is in fact amazingly accurate (unless you have a pronounced non-English accent).
_
Renee in Ohio: Here’s another one to watch -Winged Migration. It’s an incredibly beautiful film which tracks migrating birds across several continents. How they filmed this thing I can’t imagine, because the camara follows flocks of birds on land, or waterway, then in flight over hundreds of miles. It’s quite spectacular.
Long time lurker here…delurking for the first time.
Thanks to all of you for the professional, honest, and humorous coverage and commentary I have come to expect, no matter the subject at hand.
Chin up, Jane!
Oh, and Fitz to everyone!
Renee in Ohio @ 137
It’s natural to feel a sense of pity. I sort of felt pity for some pitbulls that were put down for severely injuring a 3 year old. But one only has to remember that this man was a lawyer and certainly should have known better than to do the things he did. While Cheney might be able to state that he had a right to declassify and so he told his assistant to leak, thereby giving some mitigating circumstances for a jury to contemplate, Cheney could not order his assistant to lie to the FBI or a Grand Jury, or to attempt to obstruct justice.
Kucinich up now – C-Span
I know, Ann. I’d just really really like to see Cheney in jail. Real jail.
Bush too.
susan @ 132
Say that to our some 100,000 injured or afflicted soldiers, and the families of those who died because of Libby’s role in this war. No sympathy at all!
Scarecrow’s got a new thread up: Trusting the News
I appreciate being able to go back over the post from this last week since I was in a casino-hotel without high speed internet access. Thank you to the team covering the trial. At least this week it will be easier to keep up on the happenings.
As for Libby, I don’t feel sorry for the guy if he is willing to fall on his sword for his masters. He screwed up Plame’s career and helped carry out the war the the Decider had decided on even before 9/11. I hope he rots and I hope that there are others that follow him to prison.
AZ Matt @ 153
ya, he screwed up Valerie’s carreer, but what he did to this country, our children and their children…that is the rub
Renee in Ohio @ 150
Me too! I sure hope we don’t have to settle for just Libby.
A few (naive?) questions:
1. Why are they (Prez and VP) never under oath (9/11, Plamegate)?
2. Anyone thinks the VP’s interview was just to divert from the trial. I mean after the hot smackdown Blitz had with Lynne, I am surprised in such a short time he decided to show up at CNN. may be a tactic to show that the do not only “use” MTP.
Hey Nicole Sawaya sister! so good to see you here … and who better to judge the importance of this kind of coverage!
It’s been such fun this week talking to media folks about Marcy’s book and Marcy and Christy’s coverage – they are all reading along too and fascinated by what FDL is doing.
One the cartoons Geiger didn’t include was an Ann Telnaes giggler… Bush and Cheney in an opera box, Bush peeking out from the curtain, saying, “They have pitchforks,” and, “is that Chuck Hagel?”
But, the really funny bit was that Cheney is dressed like Marie Antoinette, holding a piece of half-eaten cake….
Happy Saturday everyone. Rest up and enjoy your family and the birds Christy. It’s been quite cold here – it’s warmed up to zero today, and the birds are struggling. In this kind of weather I become the bird lady, out feeding them pinecones slathered with peanut butter and seed. The little chickadees strafe me when I come to their trees and hover gratefully just inches from my hand. Dark eyed juncos and a pair of woodpeckers also come every day, and occasionally, a pair of cardinals. Then of course the big dominant pack of bluejays who chase everyone else away. I have to remind myself that they’re cold and hungry too.
Thank you again for this incredible coverage of this trial. In all the dark days of the last few years with the “elections” and actions of this administration, one of my biggest sources of despair was the silence of the media. You guys, Christy and Jane, and your wonderful talented crew, have completely undone and reversed this. Where there was no information, silence, now there is a bright light and public scrutiny. I cannot thank you enough.
carolyn urban @ 146
One of the most amazing things ever put on film. If you liked that, watch Blue Planet: Seas of Life sometime. It took 5 years to film, and it was just as beautiful.
NewsClues at 159 — The entire Blue Planet series was amazing. (Except the part where the orca eat the seal. That just made me sob…) Truly, some of the most amazing documentary filmmaking I have ever seen — first rate stuff, from start to finish.
NewsClues – thanks. I saw a preview of that and it did look amazing.
ALERT: wild ass speculation ahead.
I’m no lawyer but I would think a good one like Fitz has a pretty solid theory about what what exactly went down with the Plame leak. However, his strategy is to start with the relatively “small ” charge of perjury against “no. 2’s no. 2″ just to see how things would shake out at trial-and to confirm his over-arching theory.
So now based on trial testimony, Fitz is in a stronger position to cut deals, or indict, as the case may be. I’ve got a vague feeling that in the process of hanging (metaphorically speaking of course!) Libby, Fitz is laying the groundwork for the coming conspiracy charges.
Prediction: Cheney will be a son of a bitch on the stand, but Fitz will trap him in a whopper of a lie.
Please pass the popcorn. ;-)
“(Except the part where the orca eat the seal. That just made me sob…) “
There’s a part in Winged Migration where there is a bird caught in an oil slick that did the same to me. I always feel like a total nerd when I sob at things like that. But a good kind of nerd. ;)
I sat on two juries both criminal cases; one armed robbery and one assault and battery. Permitting jurors to pose relevant questions would have gone A LONG WAY to keeping the jury more connected. In the first case, we found for the prosecution. It was a tragic case of 18 year-old boy(s) preying on drug buyers with sidearms and shotguns. The jury’s behavior was disgusting, they wouldn’t discuss the evidence they just wanted to vote. The second jury knew the battery occurred but decided the victim was such as ass, he brought it on himself (jury nullification.) Plus the injuries were temporary. The young inexperienced supervisor badgered the employee, fired him and then followed him out into the parking and berated him. Former employee snapped and resorted to fisticuffs.
I wonder if any people on the Libby Jury might be seeing the case through that lens – justified defense in the face of a critic, asking themselves “How can a lie be criminal?” Feeling that Libby’s lies were justified. “Patriotism” has interesting properties, just look at how many outrages ways in which it is being sited as justification for all kinds of crazy crap by government officials, right wing pundits, think tank pro-escalation talking heads, Independent Democratic Senators, et blaa.
Christy — thank you so much for all your work, and thanks especially for the sacrifice you made, giving up time with The Peanut. That was BIG; we can’t put a price on it. Too bad more of us don’t live in/around DC to help out with childcare so that Peanut could be closer to you during the trial if you were able to cover it.
Hope you’ll save cuttings and photos from this trial for a scrapbook for The Peanut, so that she knows what Momma did for the cause. Nice thing about the internet, fortunately, is that the material will be there in the years ahead, easy to pull together into a virtual clipping file.
late to the party again but, Christy, all America should be thanking you and everybody who makes FDL possible. you and Jane and so many others are really what American citizenship is about. regardless of how this trial ends what i’ve said stands. we owe you …..
Did everyone lose their “refresh comments” button or just me? What do I do to get it back?
hesikastor @
95
I got his name wrong! Never post a comment before you’ve had a cup of buckmeisters!
dipper @ 168
Yes. It was cting funny. I hit the IE refresh button. Seems better.
Rep Conyers is speaking now. He’s a get ‘em out kind of guy. heh…there is a lady signing ‘Impeach Bush’ for the hearing impaired…exclamation points and all. :)
The forces within the administration might be scuffling with each other but they all still share many common goals…power, profits, war ideology, future party control, mideast war and conflict, judicial control, contempt for free speech, contempt for the media….
In the beginning, it was said to be their control through Ashcroft and reliance on journalists not giving up sources that the players based the game. A conspiracy’s success depends on all players cooperation and oath to silence. As that breaks down, some give in and others stand by their original story, for whatever reason. It evolves and the reasons change as new developments occur.
I think the one being protected is/was Bush, and then Cheney. Wild-ass speculation says that something more damaging has been threatened…sexual secrets blackmail.
I have a question. As these disclosures are being confessed, is it acceptable for the passing of that info to others with security clearance?
Hi Nudge…welcome and don’t be a stranger…
Adie @ 122. My son has focal dystonia. Docs say it is neuro and inherited. Very scary when he was young – all sorts of tics. they come back when he’s stressed (like college exams or his girlfriend is “late”).
jayt @ 149
I’m sorry I missed him. The SLC mayor is on now. I commented on Huff Post regarding Webb’s great rebuttal to the SOTU address. If Kucinich were 6′ tall and a Vet he could get some traction. He can’t get past being castigated for doing the right thing as Mayor of Cleveland. He has been saying what others are just coming to since 2001.
Fitzmas @ 124. Dude! You rock (even if it’s not really you, Pat). Your linky is a little brokey.
Christy,
Libby was probably looking over at you and smiling because you were a friendly person and cordial to his lawyers. You’re gracious.
And I bet he thinks B.Comstock is a bit of a bit*h.
PeppermintPatti at 172 — How are you feeling?
BSL @ 128 (hey, what a coincidence – get it? 128). Bush and Cheney are always under oath, to faithfully execute the laws.. and uphold and defend the Constitution. If they lied (and broke the law), they should fry.
Hey, Amazon says they’re shipping Marcy’s book. Yay!
Scarecrow; http://www.erh.noaa.gov/ndfd/g…..x.php#tabs Have a safe trip.
Just had to check in quick Christy. Thanks for the post. I just loved the Bob Geiger cartoon with Cheney as the tin man. How funny was that, huh?
I’d pull up a chair but my mom’s here and boy is she keeping me away from my keyboard.
Christy and all: Thank you so much. You are doing a great job and the reports are riveting. This is how it is supposed to be.
NaNOO @
13
I believe that is known as ‘wishful thinking’.
bbblogger @ 156
There is a Molly Ivins candle group here.
#158-Bob had that last saturday-I loved it!!
Renee in Ohio @
119
Renee, are you aware of the growing concerns about fate of penguins because of global warming? I wasn’t sure, from your comment. Glad you liked the movie. It’s supposed to be beautiful. Too hard to watch, for me…
http://www.commondreams.org/he…..216-04.htm
tiredfed @
173
So sorry to hear about your son.
These musicians, intensely-working writers, etc. are just having it strike them out of the blue, as adults. Very sad. The oboist Alex Klein, mentioned in the Wikipedia article I referenced earlier, has for years been considered one of, if not THE, formost oboe soloist in the world. Then, splat, virtually had to give it up. I understand, with intensive therapy and treatment, he has recovered to the point that he can do limited amounts of performing now, but he is not expected to recover fully.
From what I’ve heard & read about it, it’s still quite a mystery, except for the fact that it seems to involve neural injury, and is most common among people doing intense level of fine-motor activity.
I keep wondering if anyone is doing research on possibilities that increased exposure to mercury & other heavy metals (pollution from coal-fired power plants, fungicides, etc.) could play some role…
such research not gonna happen under this administration – might cut into veep-pals’ profit margins I suppose…
This may have been asked already, Christy. Does Libby know who you are?
BTW…we’re not sure how it happened, but my granddaughter (who is arumbustious & feisty 13 month-old) has hair almost the color of yours. We’re like totally – where? We’re also enthralled.
That sounds like an adios to your presence at the trial. Is it? …if you haven’t already said.
BobbyG @
145
but isn’t Christy INSIDE the courtroom itself, necessarily so to get the kind of detailed impression everyone values so much? I assume they require absolute silence from onlookers, and may be barring all electronic devices, no?
Adie @
187
You know there are some movies I can only watch once. March of the Penguins is one. Schlinder’s List is another.
For bird movies though, there’s one I saw ‘Winged Migration’ – absolutely beautiful.
Christy,
I asked this Q on a prior thread but it was 230 of 231 posts, so it may have gotten lost or I haven’t seen the answer yet. Why must Libby testify to invoke the memory defense? Does it not come up against his 5th Amendment right? If this has already been answered and I am just being duplicative, could someone email me directly? Moe9987 at yahoo.com
mc @
163
I kinda like that. veep’s been caught red-handed in lie after lie after lie in the past, & simply relies (heh) on his abundance of charm to bulldoze right over & through anyone who questions his veracity. May I please hazard a wild-a** guess that such strategerie won’t work on Mr. Fitz?
Pass the popcorn indeed, and the next tub-full’s on me ;->
Christy Hardin Smith @ 14
can I double that? I value every insight and observation that you guys offer. Even if it seems the same, it’s not, you know (well, yes of course you do)
This is by far and away the very best, nuanced, vivid, smart and deep coverage of any public event I have ever encountered. As good, no–better than actually being there, because your informed perspectives are so very enriching.
Can’t praise you enough. This is so very very special.
theExile @ 53
oh dear, can you repost it? Or point in the right direction? I was so sorry to have missed it.
Christy Hardin Smith @
161
Incredible series! I’ve never seen so much on billed fish (marlin, sailfish, etc) anywhere, & the camerawork is stunning.
For that matter, look for ANYTHING done by David Attenborough. We love his “The Life of Birds” series (BBC Video, 5 vol. on tape, & probably DVD by now)
epu’d no doubt – at work.
re Barbara comstock — do you think the reporters would have been asking HER to interpret the motions and court’s rulings?
If that’s so, then it’s no wonder all we get in news stories is the spin from the interested parties. I find that pretty shocking.
How could any reporter think someone like her, in her position, would give them straight, accurate explanations?
perris @ 111
Yes, but will he get away with it?
For Tulip:
go to this link, click on link above the following descripton and Real Player will open and play the segment. I live in the sticks with funky dial-up and it still took very little time for loading. Took only a couple minutes more than 41 to see it all – well worth it.
Marcy and Blowhard
Marcy Wheeler, Author, �Anatomy of Deceit� & Byron York, National Review, White House Correspondent talk about the CIA leak case. Both are following the trial of Lewis �Scooter� Libby closely. They discuss look at the revelations of the first week, the importance of the case, and the possible long-term impact on the Bush Administration.
1/26/2007: WASHINGTON, DC: 41 min.
tulip @ 201
What have we been able to force him to disclose so far through legal means?
He has refused to file disclosures on declassification, as required. I think he won the energy policy secrecy bout. He seems to be winning the SS WH visitor logs battle. I could be wrong on these but I’m sure there are more.
tulip @
196
C-Span should have video. They were on “Washington Journal” 1/26/07
Go to site below & click on their names, right at the top of the list of programs.
http://www.c-span.org/videoarc…..iveDays=30
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FDL and the crew are AWESOME!!! Sent some $ bucks, just want you to know that many of us [lurkers] think you are doing a bang-up job, and that no other venue is as on top of their game.
Thank you all, and a special {{{hugs and best wishes}}} to Jane
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Happy to see you’re around Peppermint Patty and a big ole welcome to nudge!
RevDeb @
6
Amen to that! Christy, thanks so much!!!
I am absolutely convinced that what FDL is doing at this trial will be talked about for YEARS, and may even change the way some news departments cover major trials. Until the courts permit live camera and audio coverage, what you are doing is going to raise the standard.
But for now, relax with Peanut, and enjoy the long weekend!
Bob in HI
beth meacham @
11
At the beginning of the week, everyone (well, I thought it was everyone) was saying that Libby’s defense was the Memory Defense. But what these latest reports (CNN, Newsweek, etc) are saying seems to be that Wells has already abandoned the memory defense and now wants to blame Rove. Is this the Adolf Eichman defense (”I was just following orders”)? is that what they’re doing?
Geez, I can’t see them getting much mileage out of that!
Bob in HI
Bay State Librul @
60
If we’re not heading for a conspiracy indictment at warp speed, I’m going to be very disappointed. If this wasn’t a conspiracy, what was?
Bob in HI
none @ 20
You’d have to think that if Ari lied just once, and Fitz caught him at it. that his immunity agreement would be flushed down the loo. Fitz didn’t seem very happy with being compelled to grant immunity to Fleisher by his utter resistance, and only did so in order to “open the door” to those who were higher up.
I suspect that Fitz gave Ari immunity for one major reason. He already had a body of evidence that Ari was the “connect a dot” (maybe a “2″ in the “1-2-6″ article) between the media and Libby. He needed to find out whether Libby ordered or encouraged Ari to go to the media.
This goes to the heart of the “throwing the sand in the eyes of the referee”. It seems that Fitz was willing to make deals with those that would offer testimony that would clarify the situation for him…he did so with at least six witnesses (who these are will be interesting to discover). But perhaps Libby refused to make a deal for immunity, preferring instead to continue in his deliberate opacity.
One query…does Ari have a “security clearance”? If so, at what level?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/110705M.shtml
Seems that many of these people are revealing classified information to individuals either without Security Clearances or with inappropriate status…and are not showing the caution expected of those who make sworn declarations to protect the information or report apparent violations.
Quite bluntly, when someone starts talking about a CIA employee one would think that they would make darn sure that this individual was not working in a classified operation or was covert before revealing their identity, particular to individuals whose profession gives them the opportunity to make that information known to millions of people.
Nellieh @ 35
Interesting that they needed to serve subpoenas…which means that they were NOT ON Fitz’s list of witnesses that were supplied to the defense. Otherwise they would simply have been placed under cross-examination.
The only ways I think that these would be useful witnesses to Libby would be if a) their source for learning Plame’s identity wasn’t Libby
(and this will open up a whole other “lineage” of leaks up the ladder); or b) Libby was their “source”…but made some potentially exonerating statement in passing on the information (such as “Hey Karl! I just heard from Timmy Russert that Wilson’s wife works for the CIA!”). Why don’t I think that this just isn’t gonna happen? Mainly because Turdblossom had 4 shots at saying this before the Grand Jury and seems he never did!
perris @ 39
rumi @
171
This takes me back to the 1×2×6 mystery. I think you’re right.
1 = Bush
2 = Cheney & Rove
6 = Hadley, Libby, Dan Bartlett, …?
Bob in HI
tulip @
199
This whole trial is headed for a collision over executive privilege, anyway. On our side, we have the precedent during Watergate that, when Nixon tried to claim executive privilege on the tapes, Jaworski got accelerated review all the way to the Supreme Court, and won a judgment against Nixon, from whence came the “smoking gun”.
Maybe this time they’ll carefully schedule the invasion of Iran for the same day as Cheney’s testimony. Then, if questioning like this gets too hot to handle, he can jump up, look startled, and say “Oops, they need me in the Situation Room ASAP. Sorry, gotta run.”
Bob in HI
moe99 @ 193
My thought on this ~ mirroring comments made by Fitz at a sidebar was that Libby CAN refuse to testify…but that his COUNSEL cannot use the “memory defense” as a DEFENSE therefrom as it is LIBBY that must testify as to HIS state of mind, something that cannot be obtained without his testimony.
Libby has to STATE that he was stressed and confused…that allows in expert testimony by specialists…and thus there would be evidence available for the jury to EVALUATE. But without the evidence there is no reasonable way to make the argument by the defense.
The restriction is not on Mr. Libby, but on his legal team as to what sort of defense is allowed given the evidence.
cinnamonape @
208
That brings in the executive order #13292 that might be claimed as giving VP/P special exemptions and wide discretion on many issues of sharing classified information.
Bay State Librul @
128
Lying to a federal agent, even when not under oath is a prosecutable offense. This was firmly established by the lovely Martha Stewart.
Bob Schacht @ 210
No the “6″ are reporters. Remember that this theory is based on a Mike Allen/Dana Priest WashPo article on Sept 28, 2003 that mentions a “Senior WH Official” who said “two Admistration officials” leaked Plame’s identity and CIA position to at least “six journalists”.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..Found=true
I think that it’s important to remember that this is a reporters (or sources) research work…that HE was able to trace down (or his source was privy to) THIS network of communication.
It may be that Ari is #1 or one of the #2’s. I suspect that he recognized himself as the “source” and realized that his knowledge, and possibile involvement in leaking would be soon discovered. Thus he is #1 (or thought he was because he spoke to Priest or Allen).
#1 doesn’t mean that he is the MAIN MAN! #1 is the 1-2-6 Artcle is the source…not the instigator.
Nor does this mean that this article caught out ALL the #2’s, or all the journalists passed on the classified material. It’s simply a limited window of connections known to THAT source.
Nor does it mean that Libby is THE Numero Uno…in fact he may not even be a #2. The source never stated who provided either of the #2’s with the classified info…or who had told him which reporters (or how many) the other #2 called.
Given that we now KNOW that there were many White House and administration officials feeding the media the “hypothesis” by the Post seems to lag far behind what Fitz has already discovered.
That’s probably why Team Libby said that the article was “erroneous”
…some of the facts in it were wrong. But as Fitz has pointed out in the sidebar, whether these elements in the article were correct or not may be irrelevant to whether or not Fleisher was compelled to come to Fitz as a result of the contents of that article and make his offer (demand) for immunity.
cinnamonape @ #214: Thanks for the assistance!
Let’s toss a few more names into the mix to jog memories.
Is Woodward one of the journalists and could GWB possibly be a high ranking admin official? What about Gannon? He sold himself as a journalist. Remember that Libby asked to be referred to as a former Hill staffer, didn’t he?
rumi @ 215
I get the impression that while the President can declassify such materials, and designate another Executive branch member to declassify specific other materials….they would still have to notify the “originating classifying agency” that they were considering doing so…espcially if it involved such things as covert agents or individuals or programs relating to WMD’s.
As well, once declassified the documents would have to be processed with a date of declassification and sent to the archivist who would notify the various Departments affected by the declassification.
So if Pres/VEEP did, in fact, declassify Plame’s relationship with the CIA (and her working withinthe Counter-Proliferations Division) then there should be a DATED record of such declassification and notifications to the CIA that her status had, in fact, been “opened”. It’s very likely that she, herself, would be party to such notification.
Yet for weeks after the Novak piece the Agency refused to reveal whether Plame worked at the CIA because the information had to be DECLASSIFIED.
Rove stated in his conversation with Cooper Don’t get out too far ahead on this Wilson thing…something is going to be declassified soon that will” discredit him. After revealing that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA in the CPD “I’ve already said too much”
To this date even broad elements of Plame’s work at the CIA have yet to be declassified. The only material declassified remains that information that was in the Novak article.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html
If the WH wanted to declassify Plame’s status and protect themselves it would seem that they would have declassified everything about her job. This would be especially true if “she were merely an analyst”, or a “desk jockey”, or, in fact, “sent her husband on a junket”.
Given that Bush and Cheney have this power to declassify things like portions of an NIE…it seems that IF PLAME were really some petty factotum in the CIA, devoid of importance to critical Counter-WMD activities, that her curriculum vitae would have long since been selectively revealed to FOX.
Has this been mentioned already?
lurking mods – feel free to delete if necessary for any reason.
Among other details, the marking provisions (and possibly other) appeared to be delayed for 180 days before they would take effect. It did alter some other notification requirements. It also included a provision for action based on emergency in interest of national defense.
I could be wrong. I am not a lawyer.
rumi @ 222
Me either. Where in the Order does it state this? Remember THESE are DECLASSIFICATIONS…not Classifications, or holds on automatic classifications.
I can’t see how one could “forward date” or “back date” a declassification order…the latter would be like a “get out of jail free” card for someone who revealed secret information. The other would essentially conceal when a Declassification actually took place…but how would they then say “IT was already declassified”. THAT would be devastating to the people who thought it was declassified…when the records showed it wasn’t until much later.
I suppose one could delay the archiving of the material for 180 days…sort of a “To be declassified on “XYZ” date”. But this also doesn’t seem to help them.
If Plame’s status was declassified and simply not archived for 180-days then the date on her records should still be the date of the President/VP or “authorizing agency” signing the order. If that came anytime before the Novak Article then it would “ALLOW” the revelation of Plame’s ID…but then either the POTUS or VP’s name should be on the docs.
And if they are…well that means that THEY KNOWINGLY UNDERTOOK TO “OUT” A CLASSIFIED OFFICER OF THE CIA in order to get Joe Wilson.
BTW It seems that a lot of the Mainstream Media seem not to be reporting on the Libby trial. Or they are merely giving out information that seems not to be actually deriving from the trial.
I was wondering if the Judge might at some point reconsider which media gets Press Credentials based upon their parent mediums desire to cover the proceedings?
It would seem to me that if they aren’t actually going to cover the trial that their spots would be better served going to media that DO WANT TO COVER THE TRIAL?????
cinnamonape –
Let me first say that I’m not pushing this theory, advocating it’s viability or legality. I’m one of several who came upon it after VP’s interview where he implied an order existed to give him powers to do such a thing. Others have documented the legwork on their blogs while I am a lowly vagabond commentator. :-)
If we know…Libby claimed that he was auth by prez through VP and ok’d by Addington (who claimed the prez talking about it actually amounted to declassification)…Libby was not sold on the idea this was legal…he instructed Miller on how to refer him….Miller had at least some level of clearance for her embed work in Iraq…Hadley was still trying to declassify a document that others knew had been at least partially declassified….
Weren’t there multiple copies of memos, estimates and especially summaries created after the date of March 28, 2003 Even if the originals remained classified, any report created after the date of the EO could be effectively obscured.
I think this might not be used as an attempt at acquittal but to establish more executive power because this EO has no precedent in law/court.
I’ll find the link to the info that Cheney’s office has refused to submit the reports you mentioned as it doesn’t apply to his office, he claims. I’ve posted it here recently.
Vice President Refuses to Report Classification Activity
Cheney exempts his own office from reporting on classified material”
“Is anyone attending any anti-war rallies today? I’m going to head to downtown DC in a little while.” Pach
Pach, did not mean to omit you in my thanks to Marcy and Christy for your contribution to the coverage of the Libby trial. Thank you!
We had a march and rally in my town in solidarity with those in D.C. and San Francisco.
Muzzy @ 97: “I wish great things for Patrick Fitzgerald.”
Fitz would be a superb Attorney General.
Keeping leftovers in the filing cabinets is what sold me on his dedication and work ethic. He helps restore faith in the system with his respect for the law.
Bob Schacht @
213
Cover the floor around the witness box with rat traps. Don’t even bother to bait ‘em but, come to think of it, ya better chain em all to a post.
For backup, put a cannon net set-up outside the only unlocked door.
It’s of course redundant, as the FDL et. al. community has said it before, but let me reiterate my personal mega-thanks for the work all of you are doing. It is absolutely fantastic to have near-real-time accounts that actually provide interpretation and get at the meaning of what is happening, as compared to video coverage that I suspect would be both largely a bore and incomprehensible for most of us. The Affaire Plame has been a cause celebre for many of us for a good long time and it is great to finally find it making some serious waves. You and your terrific co-bloggers are the energy behind those waves.
I’ve asked this elsewhere and had little response. Was Fitz ever in a position to grant Fleisher blanket immunity from prosecution for violating his 312 obligations? I find that very hard to imagine.
Keep it up!
rumi @
201
I’m interested in the answer to this, too. Remember that Jaworski appealed Nixon’s claim of executive privilege all the way to the Supreme Court (expedited) and won. Fitz may want to choose his battles carefully, but he must be aware of the precedent.
Bob in HI
cinnamonape @
217
Thanks for your corrections and additional info. I should have done a better job of reading the source materials.
Bob
This is just one of the possibilities that bring back the significance of those Supreme Court nominations. Alito especially has a history of supporting executive authority.