Suzanne, I agree. But even more important to me was the result on the people side: it was conceived and run through this community, and people saw they could do it.

That to me was an even bigger result: building confidence, developing activists and developing activist networks.

Pach – you did that. Right after Fitz’s first GJ ended with only Scooter indited and not them all, and we all were sitting aroun despondent, you were the one with the organizing ideas and the encouragement to get active. You deserve TONS of megacredit.

Would it be a good idea to pass that warning on upstairs? or just leave it alone down here?
I was a little surprised, all over again – dumb me – & wonder if others would appreciate your warning reminder as I do. ;->

They get their facts wrong, short, or don’t pass baloney detection.

;-)

Molly Ivins, that’s so sad. I hope they fly her to Cuba where she can enjoy outstanding medical care, unlike the terrible corporate healthcare we suffer under.

By the way, just a quick perusal of who knew about Plame before Libby supposedly told Miller on July 12th:

- Woodward
- Pincus(?) Woodward told(?)
- Novak
- Mystery Man Novak told
- Wilson
- 85 news outlets that received Novaks column on the 11th.
- Maybe Eason Jordan? What did Wilson tell him?
- Maybe Big Dick Gregory? When?
- Miller (partially on to it from ‘other sources’)

I’m still trying to backtrack to find the dates involved because there has just been too much of this crap to remember.

Mon, Feb 14, 2005
MediaMatters

…Gannon originally referenced the memo in an interview with Wilson, which Talon News posted on its website on October 28, 2003 (no longer available on TalonNews.com). Gannon asked Wilson about the memo and appeared familiar with its contents:

An internal government memo prepared by U.S. intelligence personnel details a meeting in early 2002 where your wife, a member of the agency for clandestine service working on Iraqi weapons issues, suggested that you could be sent to investigate the reports. Do you dispute that?

Similarly, on March 9, 2004, a Talon News article (no longer available on TalonNews.com) reported that its own reporter, Gannon, had been “targeted” by the Justice Department’s investigation of the leak of Plame’s clandestine identity in July 2003. The article quoted Gannon: “I will tell you that the information did not come from inside the administration. … For something that is supposed to be classified, it seems that this document is easily accessible.”…

heya mandrake – great words you have for Howard Dean. He needs more appreciation like that.

Fred Barnes’ chin will be dusted for George Bush’s ball prints . . .

Made me LOL!!! Oh the days of the “new political correctness”! Where HAVE they gone?

mandrake @
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And where is our intrepid Ann these days? Anybody seen her lately?

Last I heard she was doing voter registration drives in all of her hometowns.

g’norning all

Two fat white reporters on the telephone..not hard to confuse.

And Libby mistaking Russert for Cooper wouldmean his memory of events is actuall better then any witness Fitz has put up so far.

And did you catch Cathie Martin testifying she learned about Plame all over again as if it was new information….hmm Fitz indicted for her looming??

Dean’s innovative, incredibly successful fundraising ability is a forgotten phenomenon. Here’s a snippet from Wikipedia (I screwed up and can’t get the quotes to work). This was a time when I thought “the people” could actually regain power and a voice through the power of the purse. Little did I know it would take 3 more years before we were heard. Now it’s just a question of whether Washington is ready to listen:

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In the “invisible primary” of raising campaign dollars, Howard Dean led the Democratic pack in the early stages of the 2004 campaign. Among the candidates, he ranked first in total raised ($25.4 million as of September 30, 2003) and first in cash-on-hand ($12.4 million). However, even this performance paled next to that of George W. Bush, who by that date had raised $84.6 million for the Republican primary campaign, in which he had no real challenger. Prior to the 2004 primary season, the Democratic record for most money raised in one quarter by a primary candidate was held by Bill Clinton in 1995, raising $10.3 million during a campaign in which he had no primary opponent. In the third quarter of 2003, the Dean campaign raised $14.8 million, shattering Clinton’s record. All told, Dean’s campaign raised around $50 million.
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Here’s my little tribute to Howie:

Thank you for taking it on the chin, when it was taboo to criticize the war. I never doubted you were right, but I was surrounded by others who were afraid to speak out, and even afraid to think independently about what was happening. Now the voices are deafening. You were sacrificed on the altar of the “new political correctness” of masturbating the administration’s policies without question, without shame. I’m glad you have your special place now among the Dems and a grudging amount of respect from the Beltway crowd whose contempt for their base was also shameful. Your comrades are now legion.

For all your faults and slips (yes, you’ve done and said some things since then I don’t always agree with), I still remember your courage some 4 years ago when you were ripped apart by the establishment just for speaking the truth. You were such a trooper and I admire your frankness, your spunk, your fearlessness, still.