

Of all the media critiques I saw this week of the two speeches last Tuesday night, Newsweek senior editor Jonathan Alter nailed it the best, IMHO, in his Hardblogger post at MSNBC.com soon after the speeches were over:
I have no idea what was in the draft speech that Webb was given. My guess would be that Webb's objection to it was not so much over what was said (though that may have been part of it), but about how it sounded. He didn't want to sound like someone else, or — even worse — sound like he was reading a committee report of a focus group, or — worst of all — sound like someone trying to sound like Jim Webb. He wanted to sound like himself.
That was Bush's problem: he generally sounded like someone else, delivering a speech written by committee. (OK, he had other problems, like Iraq, the environment, the budget . . . but I digress.) Webb sounded like himself, giving his own take on "why I am a Democrat." It's not that another Democrat couldn't have given a similar speech – but Webb's could only have come from him. It added to the authority of his speech, and made it even more hard-hitting. As someone interested in language and persuasive speech, I hope the democratic candidates for the presidential nomination in 2008 were paying attention. The most authentic voice a speaker has is his or her own.
I've done some ghostwriting myself, and I certainly don't want to knock speechwriters. Speechwriting isn't easy, whether you are writing for yourself or for someone else. But when it's done right, the voice of the speaker — not the speechwriter — resonates in every phrase. That's the real gift of speechwriters. It's not the crafting of eloquent phrases or the pithy slogans – it's the ability to help the speakers connect with their hearers by sounding like themselves, while you get the hell out of the way.
Webb did the Democratic party proud last Tuesday night. He laid out the general difference between progressive democrats and regressive republicans. He laid out the difference between thoughtful patriotic support for our nation's leaders and blind loyalty to a directionless administration. He held out a vision of the country that embraced everyone, not just those with money, political connections, or clout.
He also didn't do a lot of things, thank goodness. He didn't bore us, he didn't pander to us, and he certainly didn't talk down to us. He didn't ask for forgiveness for disagreeing with the president, he didn't apologize for his beliefs, and he certainly didn't hold back. (Well, not so much that I could tell, anyway.)
To paraphrase Dickens, you could say of the two speeches by Webb and Bush, "They were the best of lines; they were the worst of lines." As I said in the setup to the SOTU thread:
Oh, who am I kidding? I'm hungry for a president who can speak in complete sentences that actually mean something. *Sigh* My bar has really gotten low over the last six years, and I'm guessing that I'm not the only one feeling that way. Tonight's State of the Union Address will likely only add to that hunger.
Bush added to the hunger all right, but Webb fed me. The more I thought about it, I realized he's not alone: when Al Gore talks about the environment, when John Edwards talks about poverty, or when Bill Richardson talks about energy and international affairs (just to hit three names and topics off the top of my head), I hear the same kind of strength, vision, and appeal that reaches out beyond their hardcore supporters. Steve Porter did it in the letter to Pelosi that Howie Klein posted on the last thread, as did lots of our Blue America candidates did last year right here at FDL in their BA chats, when they shared not just their soundbites but their passions.
Jim Webb reminded me that there are Democratic leaders who can provide a verbal banquet capable of feeding a hungry nation, and he's not alone. Who's feeding you? A presidential hopeful, a senator, or a representative? A governor or state legislator? A mayor or city councilperson? Better still: who are you feeding, and how are you doing it?
Christy gave us an example this morning in the Pull Up a Chair thread of how she's doing it. When asked about how the FDL coverage of the trial might be historically significant, here's what she said:
One of the things that has been most interesting is to see the shifting perspectives of the media about this blog in particular as we’ve been at the courthouse. A number of the reporters told me they had already been reading here — for the legal analysis and the media dissection that Jane and I have been doing on this case…well, since this blog got started, really. But a lot more of them had not, and they had no concept of why we were really there or how we would be acting in terms of coverage, because they had no context for us. Pach started things off on a very professional footing from the get go the first week, and we have now evolved into a sort of “one of the media crew” feeling with them, mainly because of the depth of knowledge that all of us had about varying aspects of the case. They realized, I think, that this isn’t some sort of play acting at being reporters, but that we have a genuine interest in the details and the analysis on this, and that we do it as well as we can.
So there is a grudging level of respect, for the most part. And the most amusing thing was that by the end of the week, I became a sort of legal resource for a lot of folks in terms of what the motions were and the bench arguments were about and the implications of various rulings over the long term court process, etc. — and it was pissing Barbara Comstock off royally as she sat in the bench in front of me every day that people were asking me in stead of her (at least, that’s how it seemed, because I wasn’t spinning them, I was just teling them the law flat out and leaving them to consider whatever political implications there might be on their own).
She speaks with the authority of someone who knows what's she's talking about; she lets her values, her genuine interest, and her passion show; she doesn't play-act; and she lets the spinners stew in their own juices. In short, she speaks with authority, and it earns respect in return.
Jim Webb did it Tuesday on television with the nation. Christy's been doing it at the Libby trial with the journalists. How about you – who are you feeding?
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Spazeboy @ 188
Fitz
Webb/Hagel in 2008. Or… the other way ’round.
It is nice and heart filling to hear a great speech by anybody. Straightfoward, articulate and intelligent, something that I haven’t heard in nearly 26 years.
I’m so sick of politicians devoid of guts. This is why I like Webb and Hagel.
It’s nice to hear that Webb wrote his own speech, throwing out the Democratic leadership’s one. I know Webb’s was superior, and that the leadership’s one might have had that “we’re sorry we’re Democrats” kind of tone to it, probably penned by Carville, Begala, Hillary, Lieberman, and Bill Clinton.
Very thoughtful post, Peterr. You, too, speak with authority.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 5
GASP! Do you think sincerity is making a comeback, after a decade of pandering, smugness, and so-called “irony”?
I don’t make a move without consulting The ‘General’ & Republican Jesus:
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com…..7213415288
neurophius @ 7
Many thanks. I think maybe the water in the ‘Lake has something to do with it, because I think my speaking has gotten better since I started hanging out here.
i don’t know if i’m feeding anybody or not but i know that christy and jane as well as others say a lot of things that i yearn for. i go to digby, steve gilliard, the general and driftglass fairly often too.
we are so fortunate. i don’t think there are any writers in the country that beat this bunch and a hell of a lot that don’t even come close.
i do miss bilmon though and i hope he comes riding back into town one of these days …….
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin @
4
I’m curious, Janeane. What was the great speech you heard nearly 26 years ago?
Here the Senator goes again:
Clinton defends war vote, touts security
DES MOINES, Iowa – Pressed to defend her Iraq war vote, Hillary Rodham Clinton said Saturday there are no “do-overs in life” and Democrats need a presidential nominee who inspires confidence on national security.
It sounded to me like Webb had been watching more then a few of Keith Olbermann’s “Special Comments”.
neurophius @ 12
Maybe it was an even longer time ago than 26 years. My point was since Reagan took office in 1980, it’s all been dumbed down. Politics, art, discourse, and the like. That’s what I was really getting at.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
That’s really going to help her with the Democratic base. She’s an idiot.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
oh, i don’t know, bush, biden, lieberman, what the hell does she mean by that anyway? oh, i know: “i’m bush lite with better grammar.”
Aw, Peterr, you flatter me. Thanks so much, but I don’t know how to be anything other than just myself.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 18
That’s when most folks are at their best and most powerful: when they are just themselves. We run into trouble when we start acting like someone else.
janeane (#16):
i don’t believe she’s an idiot but she’s in over her head with this prexy run. murphy’s law …….
Anyone have a link for that Clinton article?
Never mind, I found it.
It turns out that I’m feeding the netroots by serving as a one-stop source for a key piece of dirt on Mike “holier-than-thou” Huckabee: http://phoenixwoman.blogspot.c…..wayne.html
Last night, Atrios mentioned the name of Wayne Dumond in connection with Huckabee, but left it to his readers to find out the details thereof. A few people cited a September 2005 post at MR on Dumond, and then suddenly my site traffic quadrupled.
As for Jim Webb: That was a fantastic speech, and it sounded like his own words. It was a brilliant idea — I mean hey, the guy’s a professional writer, after all! We think he can be trusted to be articulate, forceful and persuasive.
Boy this post was right on for this past week. jim webb’s speech was a watershed moment. that man has my vote for anything. and seeing christy and emptywheel on youtube giving a wrap on the day in court also made me sit up and remark that they represent the new voice this country deserves to hear.
quite a week!
Jon Tester’s daily schedule in online. This is the kind of transparency Blue Americans want!
THE Senator says today: “…and Democrats need…”
I just gotta love how Hillary knows what Democrats “need”. This is a relief. I, as a Demo longer have to think. Clinton will take care of that part of ‘things’.
Hey, look…. it’s…. MARS!!!!!
fahrender @ 20
Hillary used to be quite outspoken. Remember her in 1992 when she was on 60 Minutes where she said about Bill “if that’s not good enough, heck, don’t vote for him”? Now she panders. I think she’s in for a rude awakening. She’s running a 1992 campaign in 2007/2008, and it isn’t going to work this time.
I wonder what, if anything, Hillary Clinton learned from Webb’s speech?
Excellent post Peterr. You’re quite the renaissance man from Saturday pundit to Sunday pulpit! I had signaled to a few friends to be sure to catch Webb’s speech, and they were most impressed. Thanks for highlighting Christy’s press-room anecdote.
Who am I feeding? Presently, just putting food on my family, but a lot of it slides off. Where’s the velcro-burgers when you need them?
oh, and this: draft Al Gore. accept no substitutes.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 26
this illustrates the difference between the DLC and the party, as well as between Webb and Clinton (either of them).
TeddySanFran @ 25
But . . . but . . . what if all the Senators and Representatives did that?
For anyone who missed it, I liked what Booman had to say about Hillary and the netroots.
Renee in Ohio @ 21
Is this what your looking for?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..linton2008
fahrender @
20
I agree – but I think it’s the Peter Principle – people rise to the level of their incompetency – or something similar . . .
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin @
16
I only hope she talks long enough and hard enough for them to stop calling her the front-runner and to lose the primary.
Peterr @
32
I don’t know how necessary it is for members of Congress to post their entire daily schedule (trips to the gym, etc.) but it certainly would be helpful for them to report all meetings they have with lobbyists.
punaise @ 30
;0) President Gore ;0) For much, much ‘more’ in ‘08, VOTE GORE!
KathieinMN @ 35
I wish that principle had a different name. ;)
CHS: Glad to see you’re back and in one piece!
By the way, what do you think of the Rove and Bartlett subpoenas? Is Team Libby trying some weird variant on the “poison pill” defense here?
In addition to Webb and our gifted speakers (typers?) here at the Lake, add to the list Colbert, Stewart, Olbermann, Murtha, Feingold, and Pelosi.
Some of them use humor, some passion, or a mix of both to deliver their messages effectively.
Oh, and special notice to Mark Foley. His IM style of communication did more for the left than any of his counterparts.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 38
Gore’s got more in store for ya.
FDL has been feeding me for a long time now. Once in a while Digby or Gillliard hit it out of the park as well.
For downright head smacking wow, Olbermann’s “Special Comments” have been remarkable, Bill Moyers has given some amazing speeches over the past couple of years and Al Gore as well.
What is really hard as Peterr knows as well is being able to write something that reads well and at the same time works from the pulpit, the podium, the seat in front of the camera. Reading sermons out of context of a pulpit lacks the intensity, inflection, and voice that we are able to inject them with in person. Some of my colleagues will not post sermons or give out copies for just that reason.
All the more reason to hold those who can do both in awe.
Thanks Peter.
When we said we wanted gore, we meant AL GORE!
punaise @ 43
Give us the Gorey details.
RevDeb @ 44
Quite welcome.
And RevDeb, I got the “Simon for President” bumperstickers you sent. Thanks so much!
Balrog @ 46
wishful thinking at this point
Maybe not.
I’m just trying to feed you guys. On a diet of chocolates laced with chili.
punaise @ 47
Perhaps.
ccmask @ 48
What do you know that we don’t know? I’m hoping for a coming out party after the Oscars. Hopefully, lots of funding there.
Peterr @ 46
Glad that I found them. If we ever move out of this house, we are in real trouble. Way too much accumulated stuff saved for seemingly no reason . . . but then we find a reason.
neurophius @ 37
The new “ethics” bill passed by the Senate may not yet exclude former Senators — now lobbyists! — from any of the very fancy Capitol Hill gyms, so “trips to the gym” may very well be within our purview as well!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
Yes (an apologies if it has been mentioned) – but I was sickened when she said that parents have to take responsibility in their children’s education (yes Hilly, and exactly when if you mus work 3 jobs to make ends meet), and need to care of your own health (yes Hilly, and Jane’s cancer, or all the drug scandals and lack of oversite). She is coming across as a right winger. Like Thatcher, indeed, who destroyed G.B.
When it comes to the SOTU, RevDeb speaks for me!
I’m feeding my face.
Yes, you nailed it. The fdl folks have the goods and deliver, and they deliver so much better than the mainstream media that this blogosphere or blogiverse or blogistan must be taken seriously. Not to mention that they have the most well-organized and well-co-ordinated set of reporting and analysis folks available that I can find. I wonder how the msm will deal with their coverage record tomorrow.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
That’s not an answer, Senator Clinton.
Ann in AZ @ 51
I just think he might get talked into it. I know he is happy working on the environment and is so against changes to the constitution and the Patriot Act….but without him in charge, how does he think all these changes will occur. We really need him in there, even though I still find it hard to believe that the little weasel Joe LIEberman ran with him. What was he thinking? Does his anger know no bounds since 2000 wrt Joe?
And, I am getting really tired of this Joe is a Dem crap.
Senator Clinton on Iraq is being as pig-headed as George.
When Hillary had her “I’m not Tammy Wynette” moment on 60 Minutes, she was being herself. Since then, I think she and her advisors have been so worried about how she is seen that she overthinks things.
Sometimes, you just have to quit worrying about what other people are going to think, and speak up. Even when it means saying “I goofed.”
[But it would help if the media quit looking at strong women in politics like exotic, rare, and fragile flowers. I couldn’t believe all the coverage that Nancy Pelosi’s SOTU clothing choices received.]
Losing Ned Lamont was a really big hit. Every time I see Joe I feel like screaming.
Sorry OT, but from an earlier thread: “thanks ccmask..happy to be around”; and Christy–I sent you an email
I suppose Hillary could win a three-way tie for third in New Hampshire, based on January 2003 polling:
If there are “no do-overs in life,” could we please not have a do-over Clinton Presidency?
Oklahoma at #3, I am from Nebraska and pay close attention to the votes of Hagel. He’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. While I do not doubt the sincerity of his concerns about Iraq, he votes republican over and over again. He voted for the line item veto. He votes for the torture bill, he voted for the tax cuts for the wealthy. He voted for the horrid bankruptcy law that hit the middle class beseiged by medical bills exactly where it hurts. He has a history of giving the rich and the corporate world what it wants. While I value his take on Iraq, I wouldn’t vote for him for any reason whatsoever!! But I’ll tell you what, he called me each time I sent him a letter. His people are disciplined and responsive. I was furious about the bankruptcy law and he responded but clearly was not going to shift his view.
Just saying…check his voting record, I think the republicans know they don’t stand a chance in hell of winning without an anti war candidate.
Haralambos @ 57
One of the advantages of FDL is they are not a corporate owned entity subject to the profit driven bean-counters. Mainstream news outlets have been gutted by media consolidation, and it is killing Democracy.
FDL is a lean, mean, truth-finding machine. I hope it continues to flourish and that we as a community can continue to nurture it, as it does us.
“my contempt for Joe Lieberman”… (you know the rest)
Great Patti…I was so happy to see you earlier because I had been thinking of you. I haven’t been reading much so I don’t know how it went for you. But I’m glad you are back putting food on your family.
I had to cook a big breakfast this morning for the family. It did not go well. I used to be good with a spatula but I went through 14 eggs before I was able to serve 2 over light and burned two “everything” bagels.
It’s so much easier to feed the family in a restaurant, no?
ccmask @ 59
That’s pretty much my thinking too. Surely he wouldn’t leave us to Hillary and her finger in the air method of governance. Surely he understands better than anyone that the best was to implement his global warming plans and to undo the damage Bushie has done to the Constitution is to win the Presidency again. Talk about a do-over! That’s exactly what we want!
katie Jensen @ 67
Aren’t there some miraculous election results in his past, too, along with ownership of the company that makes the voting machines Nebraska used to “elect” Hagel?
shouting from rafters: “…WILL NEVER SUBSIDE!”
Richmond @
54
So much for the “progressive” Hillary.
Kiss my blue ass.
Richmond @ 54
Or perhaps like Tony Blair and his New Labour crowd, who like the DLC Democrats seem to believe that being as utterly evil as the hard right wing only half of the time redeems you for the other half.
Does anyone think it’s possible for him to win the Oscar. I have yet to see the film, alas.
punaise @ 70
Ah, more good rhetoric – and now it’s a call-and-response line!
Later….my mom is ready for her dinner. Oy
Let him win a Oscar,and then lets re-elect the man
TeddySanFran @ 66
I heard some talking head say this the other day, although I’d already made much the same statement to my mother a month before: President Hillary Clinton would mean a period of up to 28 years of American history during which a member of one of TWO families would hold the White House. Even without her many other deficiencies, that gives me pause. It smacks of dynasty.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 38
Re-elect Gore in 2008!
katie Jensen @ 67
These are good things to know. But I do respect Hagel for his Iraq stance. And the thought does occur that if we are going to proceed to blow up the world, than all these other ‘things’ of which I as a Democrat hold dear won’t amount to much. Perhaps I am being naive here? I would of course, perhaps, defer to Nebraskans here. ;)
I’m feeding a party.
Might be little, might be big, depends on the day, but I’m feeding a party of people who are hungry for the authentic.
That’s what this comes down to, a hunger for the authentic. In throwing out a “script”, Webb fed that need. Webb was passionate and authentic, did not even need to raise his voice to project it.
Howard Dean fed that in me, made me realize this is what I’ve been looking for now for a very long time, the real deal, the raw naked truth, the passion, the authentic.
It scares the f*cking bejabbers out of some people; that’s why Dean’s Scream could be used against him. There are people who have been so dulled and inured to real passion that they can’t see it when it comes up and bites them in the *ss for what it is. They’ve been poisoned against the truth, are only too willing to accept flaccid fakery like Reality TV in lieu of the authentic, as a substitute for life itself.
It’s why Al Gore lost, too; this is the evil flip side of trying to rein in the authentic. Consultants told him, Be Presidential — which means being a stuffed shirt and not speaking off the cuff or being at all real and human. But Democrats and Republicans alike were turned off by that; they could see something was fake about that, and they rejected it. Now that the Real Al Gore has emerged and taken his rightful place in the spotlight, speaking truthfully and openly from his passion, he has won over those who were formerly lost to him.
John Kerry failed to speak from his passion, too; the passion that he musters now about the troops in Iraq is the authentic Kerry that should have emerged during his campaign.
And in my corner of the world, far too many people have been going through the motions for too long. “We’ve always done it this way,” they say. That is the WORST reason in the world to do anything, and I will call them on it. We can’t win back our country if we cannot muster the same kind of passion that called our nation’s forefathers to stake life and limb and fortune on this new republic; it took me a while to figure that out, and now that I have, I am pretty damned candid and blunt and have staked an awful lot of myself in this effort. I expect a lot from my comrades to the same end; that’s what I’m feeding. Literally, too; I trundled pots and pots of soup and fixings to the office to support our phonebank, cooked dinner to keep them at it.
And it’s the authentic that brought me to FireDogLake, and the authentic that keeps me here. Jane and Christy write with passion, as do the other FDL’s who have joined in the past year as contributors; they have real talents, all of them, that they employ unstintingly here at the Lake. They help me continue to feed others by feeding my soul, too.
ccmask @ 76
I don’t just think it’s possible; I think it’s likely! At least, I’m hopin’.
TeddySanFran @ 74
“thanks. I needed that.”
Peterr @ 78
“I don’t know, but I’ve been told….”
So many times, even while Bill Clinton was President, I heard the opinion that Hillary was more intelligent than Bill. I think he may have said that himself.
The trouble is that Hillary is trying to run a “Bill” campaign. She’s missing the most important ingredient: charisma. She doesn’t have it, and it’s not something you can learn. Triangulating worked for Bill (though it did some bad stuff for us, i.e., NAFTA, Welfare “reform”, etc.) I didn’t like it when he did it, and I like it even less when Hillary attempts it only to overshoot and land way to the right of any Democrat I know.
Peterr @ 62
My daughter is endlessly telling me: Gee Pops, you think too much. Of course it’s a different deal from ‘Hill think’. I hope!
Rayne @ 84
I like the way you throw a party.
punaise @ 87
” . . . But ‘my contempt‘ must be in BOLD“
good one Peterr.
I’ve been commenting about the media coverage, especially about Meet The Press and Tim Russert, to a colleague at work, for some time. Why? Because my colleague’s wife was a producer and writer on the show for several years.
I’ve never met her, but I’ve talked with my colleague about the bias and lack of morals of the punditocracy and Washington Press Corp repeatedly. I’ve often pointed him to this blog and others to document how inane and how often, completely wrong, the pundit class can be. And how the crimes of the Bush Administration are so often *enabled* by a servile press.
So, when Cathie Martin’s comments about MTP hit the blogosphere yesterday, I brought up the fact that Russert was Cheney’s tool. He literally blew his top and yelled at me for several minutes. I’ve tried to quote what I can and paraphrase the rest.
My comments about Cathie Martin’s disclosure really got his goat because the inference was that his wife and Tim Russert who he knows, aren’t doing proper work as a journalist.
But here is where it got interesting. He told me that what I failed to understand is that�letting politicians come onto the show and say whatever they want without being challenged is what Meet the Press is there for� That is the point of the show. “A politician can come on to MTP and say ANYTHING and Tim will NEVER, EVER, call him on it. That’s the point! That is how it works.� That’s how they are able to book the guests” (He was literally yelling at me). “The most Tim will ever do is turn to another guest and ask for a reaction. If Dick Cheney has said “the sky is red”, Tim will turn to someone else and if the other guest says, “Tim, the sky is blue. Dick Cheney is lying.” Tim will then say, “Are you calling the Vice President a LIAR?”
This is a direct analogy he provided, yelling at me, “That’s how it works!�That show is a cash cow and the sponsors are all the big corporations and that is how the system works.”
So basically, I should stop implying that his wife was not a real journalist because she was working within a big-money system and despite her politics (”to the left of yours”), she has been playing by the rules. The rules are that any politician can go on MTP and lie through their teeth. They will not be challenged. They may see contradictory video clips, or face scrutiniy from other guests. But the only people who are challenged are those who use words like “liar”.
That’s how the system works.
Saw this on someone else’s blog (I can’t remember who):
“Shorter Democratic response: James Webb Extra Strength Whoop-Ass: Now in Single Serving Cans!”
At least, I think that’s what it said.
Ann in AZ @
84
What a dream….If Gore ran,I,who am for the most part non-political,would find their local office and do whatever I could to make sure they got it right this time,time and money…Hillary is the corp.democratic party…not one dime of my money,and grudgeingly my vote…a protest green if the state is safe
I do know (need not be told):
HoJo is a shameless scold
Obviously Hill has viewed the Iowa polls.
TheGris @ 93
I think Martin’s comments may have changed that dynamic – we’ll see. With luck, and a little more blogospheric pressure, we can put your last sentence in the past tense sometime soon.
I agree with Kate Jensen; Hagel may be saying something about Iraq that we can respect but the rest of his history and work in the Senate is pure right wing Republican. Remember how people touted Bush as a compassionate conservative and look what we got! I just don’t trust Hagel–never have.
Peterr @ 97
I have a hard time thinking of *any* Republican I’d trust…and that includes Joe Lieberman.
Peterr @ 97
I am wondering how much more money “the “ho” Russert will want for his performance now that we all know hes there for “Hummming” along
TheGris @ 92
Heh. Methinks he doth protest too much.
I direct the viewer to the similar screaming fit staged by Joe “Primary Colors” Klein when he was still denying having written the book.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 61
Yup. Amen!
The myth of McCain
Once When Senator John McCain appeared at the Conservative party conference in Bournemouth last October as the presumptive next president of the US, the stars seemed fixed in the firmament for him. The myth of McCain appeared as invincible as ever. The presumptive next US president, the Republican frontrunner’s popularity has nose dived
Sidney Blumenthal
Saturday January 27, 2007
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..19,00.html
snuffy @ 101
He makes $7 million a year already. (According to my source)
TheGris @ 105
so thats what a “top shelf” media whore is worth now….
Phoenix Woman @ 102
Could be. He really took the “If It’s Sunday, It’s Meet The Veep’s Agenda” pretty hard.
OT
But not really. For those who went to the YearlyKos last year, you KNOW how we were fed by it.
Registration fees go up as of this coming Thursday (Feb.1). So those of you who want that kind of food, and it is quite a feast, might want to register now and save some $$.
That’s why I love FDL, that’s what drew me here. Honest professional explanations. Journalists should be asking the horse’s mouth, not the subject’s representative, about facts outside their field. This shouldn’t be a eureka moment for the media, but I’ll take it.
TeddySanFran at 2:01 p.m. said,
“The new “ethics” bill passed by the Senate may not yet exclude former Senators — now lobbyists! — from any of the very fancy Capitol Hill gyms, so “trips to the gym” may very well be within our purview as well!”
You make a good point, Teddy.
What a great post, Peter! Thank you!
And it’s interesting for me in that I was just talking about this very topic this week, and thought about it, long and hard.
A person close to me was feeling very down, saying to me “I just don’t know who I am as a person any more. I don’t know if I can even trust anything I say about myself.”
I thought about this for a moment and then said, “What is it you believe in? What is it — that if someone nailed you up against a wall, or if God picked you up by the scruff of the neck and shook you until you spit out the answer — that you can say you believe in and care about more than anything else in your world?”
Once you know what you believe in — your deepest values, that thing or belief you would fight for most fiercely, that which stirs you in your heart of hearts — that’s what will show you who you are.
It was clear that my friend had never consciously thought of it this way. He was brought up short, like he was suddenly in alien territory. So I tried to help with another prompting question:
“Do you ever cry when watching any movies?” Well, if you must know, yes. “Which movies? And more importantly, which scenes? Why did it make you cry? What was it that touched your heart?”
So, off he went to think about it. We’ve had some great conversations since. It seemed to loosen up the barriers to self-understanding somehow. And it turns out my friend discovered some deep values concerning the integrity and dignity of every human being — and how COURAGE is needed to stand up for that.
The interesting thing is that in the course of these conversations, his POSTURE changed. His spine is straight, his head is up, his eyes are clear. He is authentic, not a phony.
It makes all the difference, doesn’t it?
TheGris @ 108
The truth can be painful sometimes.
I can understand why Russert won’t touch the Libby trial – the legal issues must be a real killer for him, Andrea Mitchell, etc. right now. If MTP had any sense, they’d ask Tim to step aside for a week, and let someone else (Brokaw? Olbermann?) sit in the chair and tackle the Libby Trial and how reporters interact with politicians. “You think you can control us? We’ll see about that . . .”
But I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
What made Webb’s speech good and the previous ones bad, I think, was that what he was saying was what he believed. It’s hard to sound convincing when what you’re saying is just words someone else wrote for you. That’s why there are acting schools. Gov. Locke, and the governor of Virginia (can’t even remember the guy’s name) probably didn’t get to choose more than the room they would speak in. Webb, thanks to his willingness to tell folks where they can get off, was able to choose what he wanted to say and sounded good doing it.
I think this is a lesson that more Democrats should take to heart.
Peterr @
97
Either that or they need a serious drop in viewership and a boycott of sponsors. I believe that these tactics will put teeth into the pressure, and may be the only way to change corporate minds and hearts.
Peterr @ 112
An excellent suggestion, and I don’t think you should hold your breath, either.
Speaking of Hagel — and I scanned here quickly, so if someone mentioned this already, I’m sorry for the repeat — according to a blog post I read late last night (wish I could remember which one!) — he just voted for an amendment to the minimum wage bill — which would do away with any minimum wage whatsoever.
Hagel may have strong beliefs, but they are not in any way progressive.
I hold to the premise that cutting off funding for the Iraq war is the best way to stop Bush. Of course I realize the president can always ‘press the button’. But he has that option regardless.
OT: I just love the irony in Debra Bonamici’s use of US v Safavian to support Fitz’s latest motion to admit Scooter’s NDAs.
Have fun re-reading that one, Wells & co.
To Rayne I say hell yeah! You guys sent that fuckin’ snake oil salesman Amway peddler back to GR where he belongs.
But, if we continue to be propelled toward possible WWIII, and if it happens, what then will matter? Peace on Earth… would appear to ‘long’ to be front and center.
Cujo359 @ 116
Maybe TheGris should pass it along to that colleague . . . or if that colleague is lurking here today, feel free to have your wife pass the suggestion along to Tim.
But here is where it got interesting. He told me that what I failed to understand is that letting politicians come onto the show and say whatever they want without being challenged is what Meet the Press is there for. “A politician can come on to MTP and say ANYTHING and Tim will NEVER, EVER, call him on it. That’s the point! That is how it works. That’s how they are able to book the guests” (He was literally yelling at me). “The most Tim will ever do is turn to another guest and ask for a reaction. If Dick Cheney has said “the sky is red”, Tim will turn to someone else and if the other guest says, “Tim, the sky is blue. Dick Cheney is lying.” Tim will then say, “Are you calling the Vice President a LIAR?”
I don’t know how many times I’ve seen Pumpkinhead (metaphorically)beat the living hell out of a democrat or democrat(s) on his sycophantic republican bootlicker fest of a show.
AND, how many times I’ve seen Pumpkinhead throw the most pathetic softballs to republican and republican-lite guests.
You simply hit your media-whore friend with the truth and the truth hurts.
I remember thinking after Webb’s speech, “Hey Chuck Schumer, you know your book about the half measures the Democrats should use to win over the middle class? Throw it in the trash and say what he said.”
The funny thing is, as inspiring as the speech was, I had actually heard almost all of it before. The economic justice and fairness issues, the principled and sane opposition to the war, actual support for the troops rather than lip service, these are part of all of Webb’s speeches, because they’re what’s really important to him. (”Conservative Democrat” my ass!)
But he put it all together perfectly for the occasion. That’s what we’re about. To paraphrase Dylan, “You don’t need a focus group to tell which way the wind blows.”
TheGris @92 -
That’s how it works!�That show is a cash cow and the sponsors are all the big corporations and that is how the system works.”
Amazing. At least, now we have confirmation for what we already knew. When news became a profit center, it ceased to be treated as news.
Whether it’s Chuck Hagel or any one else, pointing out the current failed policy in Iraq is something we can all applaud. His forceful presentation of his views is commendable. I appreciate having a Republican voice join the Democratic chorus. That said, let’s not pretend it credentials him for solos. For whatever it is worth, whether or not Hillary Clinton is the progressive candidate that I would hope the party nominates for 2008, if she is the Democratic candidate, I can’t think of one Republican, Idependent or Libertarian that I would vote for in her stead. I would uge that we keep our own council, and refrain from doing the Republicans’ work for them.
Progressive? Are we prepared to term Senator Clinton’s perspectives on Iraq, and say, the Palestinian situation to be ‘progressive’? Or how about the DLC and the ‘third-way’? And the only real progressive on the environment that comes immediately to mind is Gore. I have difficulty reconciling my intuition on what it means to be a ‘real progressive’ with core mainstream Demo beliefs.
I’ve got to go, but Swopa’s here and the media/Libby trial discussion fits right in with his post “Rashomon, Spin, and Media Coverage of the Libby Trial.”
Speaking of Hillary, which we were earlier, I’m surprised I haven’t heard mention of some problems with her brother brokering pardons for money during the Clinton Administration. This has apparently just raised it’s ugly head again in Iowa. Has anybody heard about this?
Rayne @ 83
Touche.
Freedom isn’t cheap, and it’s not just paid for by having someone else’s kids fight in some place we’ve never heard of. It means you endure unpleasantness (including your own, on occassion), making mistakes, and occasionally picking yourself up, dusting yourself off, and getting back in there. You have to keep up with things you may not find all that fun or interesting, and tell your representatives where they screwed up or did things right.
Manners and pleasantry are useful things, and I don’t dismiss them. If they come without respect, however, they’re of little use, and they can’t be an excuse for not doing things that really need to be done.
new thread from Swopa
It was a fine speech, but then Webb voted with the republicans the first chance he got.
Rayne @ 83, my only problem with your comment is that, to my way of thinking, when Al Gore won the popular vote, he won. He only lost by one vote and that was a justice of the supreme court. I would have capitalized, but for this case, the court doesn’t deserve capitalization.
BTW, I too still like Howard Dean, in large part because of his authentic expression referred to as his “scream.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 126
If you are referencing my comment, and don’t know that you are, I did not say that Hillary Clinton or the DLC are progressive. But thinking about that, I’m wondering, aside from Kucinich, who among the announced candidates is progressive, and able to win the nomination? May be that Gore will come forward. I have always liked Feingold, (not in it), O’Bama – gotta see more. For sure, neither Hagel or Webb are considered progressive.
Reminds me of a story in the Emerald City book by Rajiv.
Bremer OK’d the startup of an Iraqi TV station, and it was making do with some found equipment and getting on the air with a newscast in the evenings. They asked for an interview with Bremmer, but hadn’t got around to doing it.
Dan Senor noticed a camera crew from the station at the palace, and having some time to spare, asked them to film him interviewing Bremmer. He gave the tape to the station and asked them to run it.
They ran a short clip, but nothing much. Senor bitched to the anchor and asked why.
He said (paraphrase) that if Ari had interviewed Bush and had offered the tape to CBS in lieu of Bush sitting down with Dan Rather, as promised, would you expect them to run it?
I believe Russert would thank them for saving him time. The Iraqi journalists had better sense.
Boudica @ 133
Actually, was not ref. your comment. But as to Hill, and now I am referencing your comment, she has much blood on her hands (Iraq). ;)
Jim Webb for VP….
Finally, someone who can write his own speeches. Let’s bear in mind though he is a best selling author of at least 6 novels
http://www.jameswebb.com/revie…..by_jim.htm
jeffreyw at 134:
And Dan Senor is an idiot. And speaking of idiots, within the last year or so he married Campbell Brown who works with (wait for it)…Tim Russert.
RevDeb @ 43
I was very moved by Peterr’s post and particularly the pastoral question at the end, “and more importantly, who are you feeding?” I was ecstatic last night to read the Mandela quote sent in thanksgiving to Jane. I immediately resolved to use it in a spiritual support group I lead focusing on Henri Nouwen’s marvelous little book (but then I think all his books were “little” though all also monumental) Life of the Beloved for it mirrored Nouwen’s
proclamation. That book, that group, FDL (though I resisted the latter for a long time) and other internet resources, and returning to the Episcopal Church, are all feeding me these days. I am also being fed enormously by researching and writing a monthly newsletter and leading a support group for folks with peripheral neuropathy and thus passionately “feeding” and advocating for us PNers. Now and then, though I suspect it will become much more frequently, I speak out on political issues I am passionate about. The grace of God, strangeley mediated by FDL, is that my voice is no longer so pathetically and hysterically strident. And while I really appreciate RevDeb’s comment about the pulpit/pastoral context of sermons, I’m also grateful that I occasionally receive
masterful sermons from a UCC pastor in Canada that feed my soul and social justice passions. So, I’d nevertheless love to read RevDeb’s and Peterr’s sermons too. Blessings to you both and Jane and Christy and all the FDL community.
Webb was given a speech to read by the Democratic leadership. He threw it out and wrote his own.
Is there a source for that? Because it sounds made up.
Hillary will never “provide a verbal banquet capable of feeding a hungry nation” — unfortunately.
Remind me please — what exactly is her position on Iraq?
Alice @
139
It’s been reported in a variety of places, and not just by Alter in the link at the top of the post. Michael Shear of the Washington Post is another one who referred to Webb’s work:
As one who has done some ghostwriting, I think I’m on safe ground when I say “vigorously rewriting” is a polite way of saying “he threw out the initial draft.”
The Democratic leadership speech written for Webb to read probably came off sounding like it was written by a minority party still holding hearings in the Capitol Hill basement.
Thank God that Jim Webb tossed it and wrote his own. Jim Webb has already proven to me that he has the leadership qualities that put our liberal, democratic nation first above party puppetry (which places him head and shoulders above the lapdog Republicans who get on their knees for the latest “talking points” from the RNC and Karl Rove).
But I would be curious to find out who composed and okayed the draft speech given to Webb to read. In other words, was it Rahm Emanuel’s group (the Blue Dog’s who act like Republican lapdogs) or Howard Dean’s DNC? I bet that the draft speech came from the Blue Dog’s and that Jim Webb decided (just as I’m certain Howard Dean would have decided) not to pander to the “culture of corruption” Republicans anymore.
Our country needs strong, liberal, progressive leadership now from all the Democrats (and maybe even some progressive Republicans, at least the few that remain) to counterbalance the evil and corruption of the neo-con Republicans over the past six years.
Jim Webb has stood up proudly and defiantly for our democracy, our Constitution, our rights, just as all the folks at FDL have. True patriots. One and all. Thank you.
Peterr @
141
who’s aides? do these aides have names? and who cares how many times this has appeared, are there any sources who have names?
last years SOTU response was given by Tim Kaine. It may have fallen short of electrifying it was cleary Kaine’s speech.
I don’t think there was a draft, I think this story is made up.
if the story was made up, does it matter? it’s pretty obvious that Jim Webb gave a good speech that was authentic and resonated with Democrats (not Dinos).
whether he “rewrote” or started from scratch, he did a damn good job and said what needed to be said.
Alice @
143
Take it up with Sen. Webb himself:
And when I think of how close Jim Webb came to losing to our favorite macaca! Excellent rebuttal no matter how it came about. He delivered straighforwardly with conviction.
Who am I feeding? A bunch of one year old babies who don’t know that carrots are good for them and continue to squeeze their mouth together as tight as they can when the spoon comes round. And by babies I mean all my otherwise wonderful friends who are Republicans (hey, I live in Texas, I have to have SOME friends) and by carrots I mean the damn truth of what has been going on in this country for six years and by spoon I mean, of course, me. Be the spoon!