
(Photo: ABC News)
Like I said before, you can tell that American law-enforcement has had nothing to do with the investigation into the poisoning death of Alexander Litvinenko because they seem to actually be solving the crime. From ABC News's The Blotter:
British officials say police have cracked the murder-by-poison case of former spy Alexander Litvinenko, including the discovery of a "hot" teapot at London's Millennium Hotel with an off-the-charts reading for Polonium-210, the radioactive material used in the killing.
A senior official tells ABC News the "hot" teapot remained in use at the hotel for several weeks after Litvinenko's death before being tested in the second week of December. The official said investigators were embarrassed at the oversight.
Well, alrighty then. I have heard it said that one morning Abraham Lincoln was served a cup of something that tasted so foul that he cried, "If this is coffee, bring me some tea! If this is tea, bring me some coffee!"
Coffee, anyone?
The official says investigators have concluded, based on forensic evidence and intelligence reports, that the murder was a "state-sponsored" assassination orchestrated by Russian security services.
Officials say Russian FSB intelligence considered the murder to have been badly bungled because it took more than one attempt to administer the poison. The Russian officials did not expect the source of the poisoning to be discovered, according to intelligence reports.
This would support Dr. Hillhouse's contention that Litvinenko's murder was outsourced. She said it looked like a pretty sloppy job.
Recent reports out of the UK now can trace Polonium-210 used to poison former KGB officer Litvinenko to not one, but two British Airways 767s that were used recently on the London-Moscow run. The super-spies took the Polonium-210 from London to Moscow, then returned home with the leftovers--and given their trail, they were apparently in a doggie-bag. A few days ago an expert in the field called the spies' tradecraft "really amateur hour." With recent the recent developments, she wrote me back, "This has gone well past the Austin Powers level to Get Smart. And when they finally trace it back to the FSB First Chief Directorate’s offices, it will be a cinch for the Inspector Clousseau Award." (From "Why You Should Never Use Your Shoe-Phone After Stepping in Polonium-210")
As we addressed here, we may never know who "Vladislav", the alleged courier and button-man was, but it appears that it's former KGB agent Andrei Lugovoi who's being charged with the murder.
Sources say police intend to seek charges against a former Russian spy, Andrei Lugovoi, who met with Litvinenko on Nov. 1, the day officials believe the lethal dose was administered in the Millennium Hotel teapot.
Lugovoi steadfastly denied any involvement in the murder at a Moscow news conference and at a session with Scotland Yard detectives. Russian security police were present when the British questioned Lugovoi, and British officials do not think they received honest answers from him. (The Blotter)
Interestingly, it seems to me that Lugovoi was one of the people pointing the finger at the Kremlin early on, but now I can't find the article.
Of course, the rest of us are wondering how many people used that teapot after it was dosed with polonium.
British health officials say some 128 people were discovered to have had "probable contact" with Polonium-210, including at least eight hotel staff members and one guest.
None of these individuals has yet displayed symptoms of radiation poisoning, and only 13 individuals of the 128 tested at a level for which there is any known long-term health concern, officials said.
The Millennium Hotel has closed the Pine Bar and other areas where Litvinenko and Lugovoi met on Nov. 1, although the hotel says the remaining public areas "have been officially declared safe" and are open to the public.
Given the tangled skein of political, diplomatic, and criminal interests involved in this case, it should be fascinating to see on trial. I wonder if they'll be able to pin anything on Putin and the FSB.
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Jane!!!!!!!!!
TRex!
The impression here is that from the time this story broke, that Putin did it. I mean really. Putin is a former KBG type. And this man is ruthless.
JANE HAMSHER, so awesome!
selise,
I e-mailed gina a nice query. Thanks for the tip.
and, uh, TRex!
Come to think of it, the prez is ruthless and his daddy is a CIA type. CIA. KBG. No difference.
Ed*ard Teller @ 4
Jane est la bombe atomique.
I haven’t been back through the previous threads yet - have we already discussed the “breaking” news (if it still is) that Rove and Dan Bartlett have been subpoenaed by the Libby defense?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16...../newsweek/
The Nefarious Leslie @ 7
That discussion is happening downstairs, one floor.
DELBERT!
Marion in Savannah @ 8
Thanks!
When was the last time the Bush administration condemned the Putin administration for human rights violations? And vice versa?
A state sponsored hit using a nuclear weapon.
Ouch.
I wonder how many collateral damage victims there will be from the teapot.
Hey, TRex, Glenn Greenwald posted this a few minutes ago:
On her blog, and watching Dick Cheney sweat, is where Jane belongs.
BTW, I reject the “state-sanctioned hit” thesis, because, well, because? Oh, Hell - just because.
Ed*ard Teller @ 12
I kind of do, too. But I’m not quibbling for now. I just want to see how it unfolds.
The Tale of the Toxic Tea Pot Told.
Very good. Now, can you say “Titus the Tailor Told Ten Tall Tales to Titania the Titmouse”?
(Bonus points for providing where that one originated. Hints: Play. Zero Mostel.)
oregondave @ 15
A Funny Thing Happened On The Way to the Forum?
Suzanne @ 12
If only thirteen people are super f*cked up and 128 got a little dose, according to Friedman units and the stats used to measure Iraqi body counts, quadruple then square all figures after six months have passed, sweep the remainder under the rug and post on a Friday news cycle.
Marion in Savannah @ 16
Bingo.
Just can’t see how Russia and China are going to let us control the Mideast oil supply. Let alone India and Pakistan.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Because they’re afraid of Dick Cheney?
Tree memorial to dead troops is running short of room.
Hey TRex- I tried to find an article about Lugovoi “pointing the finger at the Kremlin”. No luck so far, but found this via N/L
Agence France Presse — English
January 26, 2007 Friday 10:43 AM GMT
HEADLINE: Ex-KGB man laughs off ‘extradition’ report: Russian media
DATELINE: MOSCOW, Jan 26 2007
An ex-KGB officer at the centre of British police investigations into the radiation poisoning of a former Russian security agent laughed off Friday a newspaper report that Britain will soon request his extradition.
“You can write in your article that Lugovoi really laughed when he read the article in The Guardian about my extradition,” Andrei Lugovoi was quoted as saying by state-run RIA Novosti news agency.
Britain’s Guardian daily had quoted unnamed government sources saying that an extradition request might be made to Moscow in February. Police would not confirm the report.
Lugovoi is a key figure in the enquiry into the killing of Alexander Litvinenko, a fugitive former agent in Russia’s Federal Security Service who died November 23 in London from massive radiation poisoning.
Lugovoi, a former KGB agent now working in Russia’s lucrative private security sector, says he met with Litvinenko for drinks at a London hotel on the day police believe the fatal poisoning occurred. He has repeatedly denied any link to the killing.
Russian officials have made clear they will not allow extraditions of their citizens.
Litvinenko’s associates have accused the Russian authorities of ordering the killing, as did Litvinenko himself from his deathbed. The Kremlin denies involvement and has suggested the murder, which seriously strained British-Russian relations, was organised to discredit Russia.
British police travelled to Russia in December to interview Lugovoi and others linked to the case. They operated under strict conditions and were not permitted to question witnesses directly.
Two weeks ago, Russian Prosecutor General Yury Chaika said that the Scotland Yard detectives had requested another trip.
LOAD-DATE: January 26, 2007
Thanks, VG!
Now I have to go and work on something for Late Nite.
I
havehad a friend who collected fiery orange Fiestaware crockery, which is mildly radioactive, due to the orange glaze being made from uranium oxide. In the early 1990s, he began crushing it, extracting the glaze and refined the uranium oxide out of the powdered result. He got chased off of Capitol Hill in Seattle - nuclear free community - and was investigated by the DOE. When he used to visit, I’d haul out my Geiger counter.Anyway, he had three radioactive teapots. The Andy Warhol Fiestaware collection has a number of radioactive teapots too.
Russian officials have made clear they will not allow extraditions of their citizens.
Everybody’s trying to leave. If they get out, they won’t come back. Potential population shortage, you know.
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave.
How does one move polonium around? I believe about a speck of dust or less is a toxic amount. So how would it be dispensed/moved around?
It seems like they had enough control that it did not wipe out the entire coffee shop staff, even if 13 (???) got some big dose. . .not to mention airplanes full of people and other places that the polonium visited on its way to the forum.
TRex, sorry to bring this up but did you get your labs back?
If you scroll down, you’ll eventually see an example of a radioactive teapot which you can buy. It is the orange one:
http://www.happyheidi.com/anti.....llery.html
The Nefarious Leslie @ 7
Things seem to be moving very quickly and I supect that the trial will become a national fixation in a week or two. The fuse is lit, and it’s gonna blow all to hell. I know it has been noted here and elsewhere that perhaps Fitgerald intentionally limited the indictment to Libby so that he could fly unimpeded below the radar and catch the big fish by surprise. It’s looking more and more to me that this is the case. Cold sweat and adrenalin must be flowing like a swollen river in the Whitehouse right about now. Sic ‘em, Fitz!!!
Balrog @ 28
Jane has poodles. TRex has labs?
jeffreyw @ 21
That’s just down the road from me. We were graced this morning with a front page article in our local newspaper, which I call the Savannah Daily Disappointment, but you can find on Google as the Savannah Morning News, with the following headline:
“3rd ID (infantry division) general says ‘quit complaining’ about Iraq.”
So. They’re out of space to plant memorial trees and we’re supposed to “quicher bitchen.” I’m so angry I’m incapable of addressing this right now. The general in question’s name is Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch. Following is a link to the article:
http://www.savannahnow.com/node/217899
Please feel free to let the general and the editors of the rag they drop on my driveway every morning know how you feel. I’m still so angry I can barely see. /rant.
bg
if i remember correctly, the radioactive material is a form that needs direct contact (ie, inhaling, eating) that could be transported in something as simple as a glass vial. the glass would be enough to prevent radioactive leaking.
but, that is based on memory
Damn, Fucking Quadruple Damn! just found out the U.S. Paratroopers kidnapped and killed in Iraq were from Fort Richardson in Anchorage.
Dick Cheney should be tried for treason.
Ed*ard Teller @ 29
Fiesta is in fact radioactive, is it not?
Balrog @ 35
only the orange ones. In Bohemia and other parts of central Europe, they’ve been using uranium oxide as an orange ceramic glaze for centuries.
punaise @ 31
Both can be cured with Penicillin.
Ed*ward Teller, if you’re lucky the general in chart of Fort Richardson won’t tell you to shut up. Sorry about your guys.
Ed*ard Teller @ 36
Thanks ET for reminding me! I’d forgotten that tidbit.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 7
Karl Rove poisoned the teapot? I thought so all along. About time they got him.
Yes, I know. If they had to dispense just a dust speck, it would be hard to know if it got out? So they had a whole pile o dust in that vial and just couldn’t keep the cork in it or what? It had to get from the vial to teh teapot. . .and they had been unsuccessful before so they really loaded it on. . .but not enough to kill the staff in the process. Anyway, I am just wondering how they kept any control over it in a public place and still just basically killed the one guy. . .
Balrog @ 37
as to your actual query, TRex reported a clean bill of health…earlier today? I lose track around here.
OK. Best picture I’ve found yet of a radioactive teapot (the one on the left):
http://www.happyheidi.com/anti.....arge.shtml
still looking for a better pic……..
as to your actual query, TRex reported a clean bill of health…earlier today? I lose track around here.
woohoo - i had missed that. been so busy around here, it is easy to lose track of the stuff that you don’t know you lost track of :) thanks pun
Suzanne @ 44
here it is, from the Spin thread:
EPU’d (right next to EPU in fact) but now OT:
please try to remember: Cheney is in charge. Has been since he “nominated” himself for VP. Bush is an empty suit. Has there ever been any real evidence to indicate otherwise? Read Paul O’Neill’s book, or Richard Clarke’s, or just about anything blessed Molly Ivins has written. Shrub is a dolt; a figurehead. Cheney is the true power behind the throne (in some cases, he actually shares the throne - remember how he rewrote the reg on classifying and declassifying documents?)
Ed*ard Teller @
24
you have a Geiger counter?
Hey TRex, could Vladislav possibly be Vladimir? The fall guy? From L/N
Copyright 2006 Agency WPS
All Rights Reserved
What the Papers Say Part B (Russia)
November 22, 2006 Wednesday
SECTION: PRESS EXTRACTS; No. 216
HEADLINE: RUSSIA’S FOREIGN POLICY HAS BEEN POISONED;
The West considers Alexander Litvinenko a victim of the Kremlin
BYLINE: Alvina Kharchenko, Dmitri Sidorov, Vladimir Soloviev
[]The Daily Telegraph reports that this meeting took place in a hotel, and one of the people involved was Andrei Lugovoi, former security chief for the ORT television network. The second person, named Vladimir, had never met Litvinenko before. Scotland Yard makes no secret of the fact that it is investigating the circumstances of this meeting.[]
What was the deal a while back, where they were interviewed together? Refused to do it apart?
jeffreyw @ 49
9-11 Commission
Anybody catch the sandpaper club on Cspan?
bg @ 50
Ah, yes. Thanks. Senior moment going on here.
jeffreyw @ 49
That’s right and they were not under oath. Was that about Enron, Cal blackouts and the Energy Task Force?
Fascinating re: the orange pottery. Heidi wants three to four bills for a 30’s era teapot.
There is also a yellow-green radioactive color, used in glass, like marbles/beads, sometimes.
Didn’t the bush/cheney also give their interview to the FBI investigating the leak not under oath?
ET: do you have any information on other Fiestaware dishes that might be radioactive? I have a few pieces I use in the regular oven and the microwave… I thought I was doing something good by not using plastic or lead filled Mexian pottery. This is newer stuff though, not vintage.
who do you think insisted that Bush and Cheney be interviewed (by Fitz) together? sure wasnt Fitz! Bush can’t string three words together on his own. Cheney is the brains of the outfit (not Rove).
Suzanne @ 55
They follow the ‘berto school on oaths. It’s under oath even if you don’t take the oath. Not.
bg @ 26
i’d watched something (60 Minutes segment?) saying the stuff was damned slippery - would crawl up the sides of a container and out thru the gap in the lid. I think Po-210 is an alpha-emitter, perhaps kickin’ out the alpha somehow propels it around? IANANuclearChemist.
In high school physics, we had these sealed yellow plastic discs the size of a thick quarter that contained measured amounts of various radioactive elements, to rub our Geiger counters against. Our teacher also had a bright-yellow plate (uranium oxide glaze, kind of a yellow-cake-plate) whose radioactivity was easily 10^3 times greater than all the sample-discs combined.
I believe the radioactive colors were discontinued, hence the high price on the vintage. The new stuff, no radioactive colors.
I always thought the yellow vintage was radioactive.
selise @ 47
had a CDV-710. Loaned it to this guy:
http://www.tcfn.org/timecapsul.....d_bio.html
you can see a picture of a faux nuclear reactor installation he created, which includes a radioactive teapot.
Rushton @ 30
I wonder — is this an attempt by the defense to “poison pill” the trial? Say, by subpoenaing Rove to testify about all sorts of stuff that might only have the slimmest of connections to the case, and would also be considered “top secret” material for “reasons of national security” — a dodge that Libby’s lawyers might use to cover every bit of evidence that’s about to be presented at the trial?
I don’t think it’ll work — Cathie Martin’s pretty effectively queered that gambit (there’s just way too much that’s already out there and can’t be retroactively shoved back into the dark — but I can see them trying it. They seem to be going balls-out in trying everything else.
I accuse Karl Rove, with the teapot, in the Oval Office.
stibbert, did they talk about how it would be possible to dispense the minute amount for the kill? They certainly made a mess if it got all over the airplanes and such.
…lord, wait til I tell mr. spiderpaws about the Fiestaware…he’s always hated it and try as he might can’t seem to break it (we’re a family of breakers)…never know what I’m going to learn here.
looking under the bed for my copy of Plan of Attack. Can’t seem to find it (tinfoil anyone?) but there is a passage on a Senior Administration Official (now clearly Ari) talking to at least two reporters while on the ground in Africa about ‘looking into who sent Wilson.’ wish I could find that book. that’s where I recall reading about Scooter’s penchant for taking extremely detailed notes on everything, sometimes even doing them over so he could read them - seems he has bad handwriting. hate to admint it, but at least Woodward seems to be good for something.
Robert Paehlke @ 40
And all this time I thought it was Libby in the ante-room with a candlestick ;-)
We have a winner!
the Teapot Dumb Scandal
Is this some of the fiesta ware you mention?
Balrog @
37
punaise-cillin…
spiderpaws @ 56
good question:
1936 – 1943 Fiesta red was produced using natural uranium
1959 – 1969 Fiesta red Fiesta Ware was produced using depleted uranium
1969 - 1973 Fiesta red Fiesta Ironstone was produced using depleted uranium
It is worth noting that the use of uranium to produce a red ceramic glaze was not limited to Fiesta ware. Almost any antique ceramic with a deep orange/red color is likely to be radioactive, e.g., that produced by the Bauer Pottery Company. In addition, various manufacturers, including the Homer Laughlin Company, have used uranium to give their ceramics other colors, e.g., yellow, green, brown. Buckley et al estimated that 2 million pieces of dinnerware between 1959 and 1969 that employed uranium containing glaze.
http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/consumer products/fiesta.htm
the above url has info on other radioactive crockery you may have in your home. We got rid of a very large Fiestaware bowl which made potato salad taste weird when we had kids. Before we knew why it did that….
will Karl sing?
Ed*ard Teller @ 72
On the upside, you can leave the potato salad out for a really long time.
hey P 4/4…coming up for air?
punaise @ 75
Finally, yes.
I can see the floor of my new office - I shipped out 21 boxes of files yesterday. Roughly 500 pounds worth.
I’ve been reading Libby trial stuff, but just barely.
Patrick 4/4 @ 74
spew alert!
punaise @ 73
And I can manhandle the charg too!
I read that the investigators were embarrassed that the teapot had been overlooked. The police, like the military, are dumber than you think. Did you watch the OJ trial. LMAO. Sherlock Holmes is fantasy bullshit.
Irons @ 79
Actually, Sherlock was meant as a rebuke to the plodding British police.
Patrick 4/4 @ 74
You’re right. The flies seemed to fall out of the air three inches from the bowl…..
ET…OMG… : ( Mr Spiderpaws is playing music on Treasure Island right now so I think I better get rid of this stuff while he’s gone…will tell him I got sick of it…(oooops!)
Ed*ard Teller @ 81
You can time how long it takes them to fall by reading the radium dial on your watch.
In high school physics, we had these sealed yellow plastic discs the size of a thick quarter that contained measured amounts of various radioactive elements
Met these in college, in a short course on radioactivity (everything we could do with a Geiger counter; the scintillation counter didn’t show up in time). We also had some pitchblende (uranium ore), which we handled with tongs.
Maybe no edits for me now, I just upgraded my ‘puter today. . .first try at editing with the new. That charg? is supposed to have an accent over the e instead of a question mark. Ruins the whole thing.
You know, the charge d’affairs?
bg, iirc 60mins was interviewing a chemist, who talked about how slippery the stuff was - it was physically very difficult to contain. The program didn’t speak to ‘delivery’ other than to speculate it could be poured into a drink.
But they’ve been finding traces of the stuff in various London locations, & on several aircraft, imo probably due to the substance escaping the container, not merely to its emissions irradiating nearby materials.
It’s a solid bet that whoever ‘did the deed’ is a poor actuarial risk - if he’s not murdered to ensure his silence, he’s almost certainly contaminated himself.
Well, loudmouth Lugovoi, while he doth protest much, does not seem to be poloniuum-contaminated, though if it was him, he sure made a mess wherever he went. . .
chargß w/ alt+0223?
when I try it, I get chargß, looks like charg + that German ‘beta’ character to me (’th’ sound), dunno what it’ll post as.
I guess blogs just aren’t down w/ Unicode.
Another Friday Night Special press release…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....eak_attack
Four troops kidknapped and killed (a 5th killed during raid)…abductors infiltrate US military facility and take off with four soldiers.
WATCH OUT NOW: An “Iraqi official” is speculating that the attackers were “Iranian intelligence officers”!! They’re going to use this horrible event as a PR move to drum up support for attacks on Iran. Jeezus, somebody stop these madmen. John Conyers! Russ! Nancy! Please…it’s time for drastic measures!!!
OT -
Kucinich calling it like it is. Threatening impeachment if WH continues the propaganda against Iran.
rawstory
spiderpaws,
This
is interesting, but I don’t know if it’s helpful.
wisht I still had my high-school-physics (Mr. DeWald was an excellent teacher) nuclear-periodic-table chart - from that, I could look at Po-210, read its half-life, find out what it emitted & what it decayed to, I’d feel somewhat better informed.
Still, this topic is a welcome break from that obscure legal proceeding we’ve all been paying far to much attention to lately.
*vbg*
Ed*ard Teller @ 72
I am so damned glad right now that I didn’t specialize in ceramic analysis.
Ceramics analysis is a crock.
bg @ 94
Yeah, that’s what I said. Besides, you can’t throw a brick at an archaeology conference and not hit a ceramicist. Or a Mayanist. Or a Mayanist ceramicist.
EDP,
Wouldn’t want to have a whole terra cotta army after you either.
EvilDrPuma @ 95
DrPuma- well, it looks like TRex is off writing his Late Nite, and I suspect that it won’t be up for another 20 mins or so.
Thus, this is the time to learn more about FDL folks. So, DrPuma, you are an archaeologist.
So, what do you do? How do you do it? What is your specialty? I assume you don’t specialize in FiestaWare. VG
Another Friday-afternoon-dump item - an Army light colonel has been charged w/ 8 counts for Abu Ghraib - for disobedience, dereliction of duty & lying to investigators, but not for complicity w/ the acts of that fine American, C. Graner.
Anybody planning on asking for my vote in 2008 had better fight the Warmonger in Chief *hard* during 2007.
bg @ 97
But isn’t that the whole point of going into archaeology? I mean, now that there aren’t as many Nazis to punch as there used to be.
EvilDrPuma @ 101
I thought maybe because there’s not so much yelling and such.
Valley Girl @ 98