
Morning everyone. My flight was delayed a bit, due to inclement weather yesterday and my drive home was none-too-easy as a result of weather here at home. (Nothing like driving through snow squalls on the interstate at 10 pm when you are tired, I always say.) Anyway, I made it home in one piece, and The Peanut and I are enjoying lots of hugs this morning. (Apparently, momma was missed.)
Am catching up on news and copious e-mails this morning, but in the meantime, Jeralyn has some great analysis up at TalkLeft about a new government motion filed in the Libby case that needs some reading. From Jeralyn:
This is a defensive motion on Fitz' part. He's reacting to Wells' claim in opening statements that Libby had no motive to lie. Previously, Fitz had alleged Libby's motive was not to lose his job. But Wells claimed Libby was not concerned with losing his job. Fitz thinks these agreements constitute new proof.
Fitz argues:
The nondisclosure agreements executed by defendant tend to establish that defendant undoubtedly fully understood the serious obligations imposed by the nondisclosure agreements – and the severe potential consequences of violating them. Given other evidence that will establish that defendant was also aware at the time he made the charged false statements that Ms. Wilson’s employment may have been classified, and that the FBI and grand jury were investigating possible crimes arising from the disclosure of Ms. Wilson’s CIA employment to reporters, the nondisclosure agreements are directly relevant to the issue of whether defendant lied intentionally about his role in receiving and disseminating information concerning Ms. Wilson’s employment. Thus, the agreements should be admitted.
Fitz says Libby's state of mind is the most important issue in the case, especially given that Libby "disclosed to reporter Judith Miller" and "confirmed to reporter Matthew Cooper" that Valerie Wilson worked for the CIA.
Finally, we get to the SF-312s — and it is about time.
I hope we see some substantial news coverage on this issue, precisely because the Bush White House seems so full of people who did not take their commitments to secrecy under the agreement seriously enough for my comfort level. If, as a covert agent or person working on high level clearance operations, you cannot trust your own goverment to have your back — and you have to worry about them using any and all information for their own political purposes and gain…well, honestly, that's just wrong on so many levels, isn't it? Either national security comes first or your political neck does — and if it is the latter, then you have no business being in charge of the former. Period.
As I wrote all the way back in November of 2005:
Security clearance issues are governed by a number of Federal laws and regulations, including the Standard Form 312.
The SF 312 provides a wealth of information to anyone granted a high level security clearance, including criminal laws and penalties for violating the security agreement, what constitutes an improper release of information, and what procedures are to be followed in dealing with classified information.
There is a booklet of this information which is distributed and explained at the time that an individual is given clearance. It includes this:
Question 19: If information that a signer of the SF 312 knows to have been classified appears in a public source, for example, in a newspaper article, may the signer assume that the information has been declassified and disseminate it elsewhere?
Answer: No. Information remains classified until it has been officially declassified. Its disclosure in a public source does not declassify the information. Of course, merely quoting the public source in the abstract is not a second unauthorized disclosure. However, before disseminating the information elsewhere or confirming the accuracy of what appears in the public source, the signer of the SF 312 must confirm through an authorized official that the information has, in fact, been declassified. If it has not, further dissemination of the information or confirmation of its accuracy is also an unauthorized disclosure.
In other words, even if a reporter calls you and asks if you've heard a rumor, if you know the rumor is a classified bit of information, you cannot confirm it. Period. Or you violate your clearance. And you have an affirmative obligation to find out whether or not a piece of information is classified before you confirm it one way or the other.
I'd say losing your employment as the top number two to the top Number Two in the nation would be a pretty powerful motivating factor. Plus, as astute commenter Deconstructionist at TalkLeft said: "Either his motive was to cover up (a) a politically embarassing problem for his bosses; (b) potential crimes by his bosse; or (c)his own neck. It's well played because efforts to to discount (a) and (b) might tend to buttress (c) and vice versa."
Well, this should make for an interesting weekend of motions and paper flying back and forth between the government and Team Libby. Who has the popcorn?
Related posts:
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- “Targets of Opportunity”: Corruption, Contractors, and the Origins of the SERE Torture Program
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Morning Christy!
Fitz!
FITZMAS!!!
FYI, y’all. AP repository of Libby trial documents/exhibits:
http://wid.ap.org/documents/libbytrial/index.html
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Redd! Peanut!
Morning Christy. Let me take this chance to thank you for the fabulous job you and Pachacutec and Emptywheel have been doing this week. Watched the you-ube of you and EW couple ack and was simply GOBSMACKED at how freaking smart and well informed and powerful the two of you are.
couple ack = couple days back
OT – CNN – Pelosi and 3 other congresscritters are in Baghdad
Pelosi and 3 other critters in Bahgdad – be careful, Nancy!
oh yes! good morning and good night!
can’t wait to read the rest after i wake up tomorrow, heh …
christy, i still can’t believe y’all are sitting there blogging
in the eye of our big fat justice hurricane …
YEAH Team FDL!!
DAMN! Fitz is one smart cookie!
And Marcy is, too. She was great on CSpan this AM.
Good morning! Thanks again for all this amazing work from you and EW.
A few questions about what happened yesterday:
Do we know who Fleischer’s Williams & Connolly attorney is?
Did Luskin tell us that no deal was made with Rove, I thought he suggested as much?
Last one. One of the commenters of Swopa’s post helpfully explained Fitz’s obligation regarding prosecution witnesses–Fitz only has to disclose exculpatory information from his govt. witnesses. So Wells doesn’t really know what the govt. witnesses will say unless the witness him/herself chooses to talk to the defense. I noticed Wells asked some of the witnesses, you chose not to meet with us. But it didn’t look to me like he asked Martin that. So even though Martin still works in the WH, she chose NOT to cooperate with the defense when it was within her power. Or would her lawyer have advised her not to talk to them.
Good morning, to you!
Good morning, to you!
We’re all in our places – with bright, shining faces!
And this is the way!
We start out our day!
(Readin’ Christy and talkin’ smack about the current administration…)
Hi, Christy! We missed you, too.
delurking…
I just want to say that this coverage is excellent…
and it has been an exciting week of haunting the blogs.
Thanks very much for the the good work, Christy and Marcy. Your contributions are invaluable.
I wanted to toss this ‘epud’ of mine into the mix for consideration. I don’t think the general subject has had much discussion yet.
By the way, York misrepresented the eventual recusal early in the investigation. Ashcroft was giving Rove regular updates as to how, who and what was happening in the investigation. AG was chief legal in the WH then, too. It was Gonzales, Card and Ashcroft who allowed a window of opportunity as advance warning of the investigation – a chance to destroy evidence on the notice to preserve.
I think it was top, dedicated FBI/DOJ that complained enough to push Ashcroft aside for a Special Counsel.
I would think that Martin outing Russert as such a tool that certainly if Timmeh had any inclination to be circumspect in his testimony, he doesn’t have that urge now…
Welcome back Christy. You did a stupendous job and the time spent away from the peanut is greatly appreciated by all of your followers.
Hi Jane…waiting for the read at 1:00!! I’m busy clearing off my desk (swipes everything off top of desk to the floor except for the computer)
Go FD Lakers!
Morning Christy,
If you’ve got the time, check out a little parody I wrote about this Scooter Libby mess.
http://teflonsoapbox.blogspot……music.html
Jane S. @ 12
Christy will no doubt have more insight, but it seems to me that although they didn’t ask it doesn’t mean they didn’t meet. They might not have wanted to highlight the fact that they did already know what she was going to say and still had basically NO argument to undermine her testimony. That’s my .02
typo police before i finnish the piece christy;
u missed the “h”
and the “i”
Quick 2 cents. My father–who is no longer with us–had a very high level security clearance. He took it very, very seriously. In order to get it, you are trained to understand what it means and what the consequences of violating are.
Marcy’s being interviewed by Sam Seder RIGHT NOW on AirAmerica, if anyone’s interested.
#20–Thanks. That’s an excellent point. It almost seems more likely that if she did meet with them, they wouldn’t ask the question and make it known.
If you have a moment Christy, I would love to know about the looks from Martin to Libby and Libby’s “wife”. I think you mentioned Libby’s family was seated directly in front of Martin.
this is the most important thing we need to get across.
anyone that violates this principle is not qualified or capable of holding a position where they have access to sensitiive information
they will obviously put national security at risk even if they don’t have that intention
in other words, the president has no excuse keeping rove on, it doesn’t matter if his intentions were not deliberate, it doesn’t matter…all that matters is our most vital secrets are at peril with men that cannot follow or have not followed these principles
Read the Jeralyn posting. She seems to think its not much of a motive unless Libby can be shown to have re-read the form while this was going on. But wasn’t it in the news all time about leaking classified information being a no-no? They might not have mentioned the specific form, but I remember all kinds of discussions in the media about people with high level clearance having to abide by strict rules about dissemination. We know now from the testimony that he carefully watched media coverage. Although I personally doubt that’s why he lied, I think getting that in front of the jury is a wise move.
I think the CIA breifer gave Scooter plenty of reason to lie – explaining the consequences of an agent being exposed at the daily breifing.
When they said yesterday you “went to be with the peanut” I thought you had some kind of day care in DC!
Pat_AlexVA @ 26
oh man, THAT is quite a good point…simple and obvious motive to go with all the rest
any other motive might have to be proven, this one is self evident
Egads! I just tuned into Air America and caught Christy signing off!
Seeing a lot of new names here again.
Welcome to all of the new people and the lurkers. We’ve got quite a community of brilliant people at the Lake.
While you visit, if you appreciate what you are getting from the fabulous Team FDL, please look in the upper right hand corner underneath Hill where the “Donate” button is and toss some $$ this way. We regulars have pitched in quite a bit of money to help this coverage happen, help finance Marcy’s book, and help fund the very overworked servers, but Jane Hamsher has footed most of the bill.
While this is a true work of patriotism, it is not underwritten by any think tank, meida outlet (though they are certainly using this resource) or sugar daddy.
Again, welcome. And if you can, contribute.
Thank you.
Jane S. @ 29
egads?
Egads?
e-gads?
EGADS?
eGADS?
interesting expression, rarely heard but for comic books and old talkies
big smile on my face
Jane S. at 29 — Actually, that was Marcy signing off. I couldn’t possibly do a radio anything this morning — you guys would get The Peanut picking up a phone extension and talking to the host. LOL
Jane S. @ 29
I have a 3 year old and a 6 year old so I get creative with my cursing. We use “Good Grief” around here a lot which we borrowed from Charlie Brown. Let us know if you do another bit on Air America in a week so we can also listen to the whole thing.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
That would be awesome!
me off for a few hours, be back later…enjoy coffee firedogs
Tell your beautiful daughter that we are very appreciative that she lent us her mother for a few days. I’m sure it is tough now but one day, think of how proud that little girl will be of all that her mother did to save the country from tyranny!
As one who knows how the play to set Sam Jones up for his NBA championship winning shot in LA came to be:
Go FD Lakers!
I approve this message.
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also, ccmask…the day is young yet. Your entry late last thread re: Traitor Joe.
24hrs from now, you’ll again be shown the way to add. I guarantee.
As important as this is to all of us, I didn’t see one mention of the trial on last nights news on ABC, CBS, or NBC, as I flipped around. They had lots of puff pieces though.
Pat_AlexVA @
26
Shouldn’t Scooter, having already presumably signed a form SF-312 as a condition of receiving security clearance, have already known the consequences of violating explicitly stated terms appearing on that form and/or its accompanying documentation?
Redd, I have a question about the image that Marcy’s used as the transcript image. There’s a big fat “UNCLASSIFIED” banner, while also being a TOP SECRET in the header.
Frankly, I’ve never seen a classified document that has “TOP SECRET” in the header, and an UNCLASSIFIED banner. What I was wondering is, and perhaps you can’t tell is… does it appear the UNCLASSIFIED has replaced the original banner?
I mean, why is the entire document redacted if it’s UNCLASSIFIED. (I understand this is the breifers TOC, so it’s also a bit surprising this would be UNCLASSIFIED). It’s just a little something I’m having a hard time letting go of.
(I had TS/SCI with Poly, it’s long since lapsed, but I do have some familiarity here).
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 39
I say that he ABSOLUTELY did and should have or he didn’t deserve the damn clearance.
Christy…..
I’ve noted elsewhere that Cathie Martin’s testimony about telling Cheney and Scooter about Valerie was not mentioned in the indictment itself.
Was Fitzgerald required to tell Libby’s team that Martin would be testifying about that? Or is it possible that this testimony came as a shock to the Libby team — and explains why Wells made that bogus effort to get a delay to “examine Martin’s notes”
(Its clear that this happened on June 11th…the day BEFORE Cheney told Libby that Valerie worked for CPD. It thus begins to look like CHENEY acted on what Martin told them, made some calls, and found out exactly who Valerie Plame Wilson was….. Add to that the fact that Martin’s notes refer to Valerie as a “CIA agent” )
I haver lot’s of photo’s and documents from my dad’s WWII destroyer that have “top secret” and “classified” stamped on them. The can’t really take them off once they are there even when the de-classify.
Pat_AlexVA @ 40
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 39
Absolutely. But if we’re going to discuss motive, Scooter had the CIA Briefers opinion of the severity of the offense. Had I just outed an agent, the CIA breifer telling me I might have just rolled up a bunch of people overseas… well, that would clarify the severity of the offense more than any Govmint document could, more motive to lie.
Deacon Blues @ 18
Loved your parody…
You sure Torre blew the game? Didn’t the Sox outplay the Bombers?
Joe Torre doesn’t have a lot of rules: show up on time, no excessive facial hair (hear that
Damon?), no loud music in the clubhouse. He shuns clubhouse meetings and rah-rah speeches in favor of one-on-ones with his players. He stays with a player in a slump. The tenser the situation, the calmer Joe becomes. He’s intense but not tense….
Sounds like Fitzy?
p.lukasiak @ 42
Fitz said he gave them Martin’s notes a year ago, so it couldn’t have been a huge shock.
General information
For those who don’t get AirAmerica radio in their area:
The best way I’ve found to listen on the computer is to stream it throug iTunes. Go to the “radio” section, click “Talk, Spoken Word” and AAR is about the 5th or 6th down the list.
I’m posting this for all because AAR left Boston last month and this is what we are stuck with. The stream from the AAR web site s*cks.
There was an interesting commenter at the Lake last night around 10PM. She’s been gone for a while, but stopped in to chat for a bit last night.
Oh, and RevDeb: she really, really loves Leonidas Fresh Belgian Chocolates. “Made with 100% pure cocoa butter. I mean, there should be a law.”
Jane S. @ 46
RevDeb @ 47
Thanks for the tip!
Well, I wouldn’t buy it if I were a juror. There’s a kabuki theatre element to this argument. These guys leak classified information all the time.
On a more cheerful topic, I suppose that Tim Russert is going to be a little more inclined to be, um, harsh in his testimony, now that he’s been publicly labeled a tool. Not just by the people who have seen him used, but also by the people who used him.
Got up early again today. This is the first minute I’ve had in 24 hrs to catch up on what happened yesterday that didn’t make it onto my van’s radio. It has warmed up so much here in that 24 we’ve gone from 5 below zero to almost ready to rain. Yuck!
As interested as I am in the Libby trial (!!!), I’ve gotta go read Howie’s part two with Sen. Dodd first. I’m rtrying to figure out how bad the unemployment vote in the senate this week really is for other issues coming before that
augustpitiful body.breaking news on msnbc website – “UN officials say Iran ready to assemble thousands of uranium centrifuges”
ru-roh
Just a shoutout to Jane H. to take care of herself.
Hey, Marcy! I caught the tail end of your appearance today on C-Span. Good job. However, I think you missed an opportunity to point out to the guy in “flyover” country that the reason he is more interested in the Duke Rape Case instead of Libby is the result ot intentional obfuscating on the part of the handlers in the White House. They wanted it to sound as confusing and trivial as possible. A mountain out of a molehill. The WH threw out so many macguffins that the public couldn’t possibly keep the story straight. It had too many moving parts for the average USA Today reader. So, getting the public to lose interst was by design; it has nothing to do with the substance of the case.
*WE* know that outting Plame was part revenge, part threat to other whistleblowers and part hiding the reasons we went to war in Iraq. It’s part of a big, ugly tangled web. Plus, I don’t think that outting Plame was without negative consequences to the CIA but I’m not sure we will ever know the true extent of the damage. And maybe that’s a good thing. Maybe we don’t *want* to know.
Pat at 40 — The original document was Top Secret classification, because it’s the table of contents for Libby’s morning intel briefin for June 14, 2003. The reason you see the “unclassified” stamping on it on the court doc, is that the entirely blacked out portion has been redacted for court purposes, with only the margin notes remaining — and it is the margin notes that have been unclassified.
It is unusual, because normally, you’d never get within 100 feet of a highly clasified anything without substantial clearance. So, even seeing a swatch of blacked out document was unusual — and fairly amusing, frankly, on a huge screen to see that vast see of blacked out intel, and the tiny fraction of handwriting in the margins as visible.
Marcy, you were terrific on C-SPAN this morning (Washington Journal). You held her own against that icky Byron York (AKA Fox News contibutor). I couldn’t believe how many callers were largely imbeciles who were upset that the “cocktail circuit Wilson” had caused this uproar over “nothing”. I love it when smart people like you make the MSM and wingers this upset.
Did anyone watch C-Span this morning? I thought EW was very good. Knowledge is always a powerful and persuasive tool.
Love Jennifer Garner. You can post her picture up anytime.
Mr. Reddhedd, Mr. Empty, Mr. Pach SO, and of course Peanut,
bouqets of thanks to you all for giving up rather large chunks of your homelife to feed us
junkiesFiredogs:)oooh Peterr, thanks for that, can not believe I missed her ! – big lump in throat, tears falling on keyboard
Check Out Judy’s Hair Flip – bitchin’
Bay State Librul @ 45
Well, as a die-hard Red Sox fan, let me say that there’s two folks on the bombers I’d love to have — Derek Jeter and Joe Torre (though I’m perfectly happy with Francona) — both are class acts. Only 5 more weeks til Spring Training!
WASHINGTON (Reuters) — President Bush has authorized the U.S. military to kill or capture Iranian agents active inside Iraq, The Washington Post reported on Friday, citing government and counterterrorism officials with direct knowledge of the plan.
Dumb question, why do folks call Marcy EW?
old gold @ 57
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
The comments would still put the c-span rethug callers to shame. :-)
Will C-Span repeat the Christy program? Times? I can check the website.
EW = empty wheel
Dear Christy,
What you folks are doing is beyond amazing! I tore a bathroom apart before the jury selection started and haven’t done a lick to it since. Waiting to refresh and between sidebars and breaks is almost (almost) as tough as waiting for the birth of our first daughter. Knowing the lack of character of the VP I knew this was a BIG problem for them because of Valerie Plame’s position right from the getgo. And that they would lie through their teeth to perpetuate their lies to start the Iraq war. Sadly this is one time I wish I was wrong and they weren’t the way they are. Pitiful. It is what it is. As a former union advocate I’m aware you can’t predict jury decisions (arbitrators) but I’ll be more than just disappointed if Libby isn’t convicted. I don’t see jail time in his future (pardon) but his career should be destroyed as Valerie’s has. Of course Abrams, Poindexter, et al have come out smelling like roses. The skanks take care of the other skanks.
Peterr,
Thanks. I would have totally missed it. I just can’t make it to Late Nite or if I do I check in early and check out early.
Glad she liked the chocolate. Have never tasted it myself. Found it doing research on the toobz and talked my mom into making a delivery.
Pat @ 6:38 am -
When did Scooter improperly disclose Valerie’s covert status? Was it before he talked with the CIA briefer or after that conversation?
As long as we are discussing this topic, I have two other questions, excerpted from an e-mail that I sent yesterday to Christy:
On leaks in general. Yes, it seems the norm that the higher ups feel free to leak classified info when it suits them, and that even when officially declassified, what docs or potions of docs get unclassified are the ones that benefit them.
It seems like the trade in secrets is their own personal playground.
They don’t like it when the underlings whistleblow but they do it all the time.
Remember also that Congress does NOT get to see the same stuff.
Then add the stovepiping and political pressures on the FBI and CIA.
I think the whistleblowers are the only info you can trust…..but how do you be sure if its still real? Who woulda thunk they had forged docs for a few years and didn’t let the debunking out? And they (the higher ups) kept pushing the aluminum tubes long after it was also reported that several experts debunked that too.
Jane S. @ 64
OK–it is Marcy on C-Span, I’m looking at the schedule to try to figure out when it is on again.
OldCoastie @ 52
Aw, jeez, not again. Can we get more proof on this first? D’oh! That’s right. We burned one of the assets tracking this sort of thing.
Darn.
raven @ 62
from her blogname, emptywheel (M T Wheeler)
Nelliah @ #66,
Even if, after conviction – and I’m pretty convinced he will be – Libby doesn’t do time, yes, he is ruined as a public servant. But he can always take G. Gordon Liddy’s place or Ollie North’s place as an AM radio asshole.
Additionaly, he’s probably going to be sentenced to one court appearance after another after another for the rest of what will seem more and more a very meaningless liife.
I’d certainly rather go to jail than endure that!
Schmall testified that on July 14, he discussed the severity of Plame being outed. It was a discussion about Novak’s article – they asked his opinion about the leak, so this discussion occured AFTER she was exposed.
p.lukasiak @ 42
p luk
She was mentioned here:
It’s just confusing bc it appears out of context of the other chronology, particularly given that it appears to have happened in June.
Peterr @ 48
Hi Jane (waving),
No, no, don’t get up. Rest a little more. You’re gonna wanna be back at 100% on Monday. This week was just a few firecrackers, the fireWORKS start next week.
Paging Mr. Fleischer…
portia.vz @ 54
Thanks. Good point. I was just so excited to get to tell him that, in fact, he was dead wrong in presuming I was a beltway weenie sniffer that I got distracted. But I’m happy for suggestions.
HotFlash @ 72
Got it, I kept thinking people were saying ewwww!~
OMG!! Leonidas Chocolates are my absolute favorite too!! I was a graduate student in Brussels 78-79 when I was introduced to them, and I remain devoted to the white chocolate mocha praline. Jane!!!
I wonder how Mr. Bush is acting with Cathie Martin this morning? After all, she is the communications assistant to President Bush.
I wonder this new job entails? Hanging Cheney?
Great job you guys, all of you! I’m a lurker now for about 4 months. I tell just about everybody I meet about FDL. I’m starving for the truth and it’s sooooo hard to find. I will send money. Keep seeking and spreading the truth, it will keep us free.
Go FDL, Yeah!
ccmask @ 80
Maybe he is giving her a back rub.
Jane Hamsher @ 134
From last night’s thread: Great news! Jane will probably post today at 1:00 PM Pacific Time!
Thanks, Marcy….
Another question…. the new Fitz affidavit discussed by Jeralyn at Talk Left appears to reference some sort of trial transcript
are daily transcripts made available to the public? And if so — do you know how the public can get a hold of them?
BTW Redd, I absolutely agree. It is mind boggling that Rove and Libby stayed in positions of authority. After trafficking in this information, how do they keep access to classified information?
It’s a mockery.
ccmask @ 80
I do wonder whether they’ve kept Cathie on to keep her quiet about other issues (as they did during Watergate–give them promotions and make them testify well). They are STILL hiding the detail that someone suggested Wilson’s report to the IAEA as evidence supporting the Niger claims in February 2002. Someone at a really high level therefore HAD to have known about the report (and in fact DIA referenced his report in March). And they could well be hiding real knowledge of the forgeries.
Christy and Marcy,
as a Firedog with on going challenges getting her brilliant, erudite questions and sparkling commentary out of her brain and on to the keyboard*g* – all I can say is thank you so very much for all you have done this week – considered myself a casual Plameologist . . . until that first dispatch from Prettyman . Already told the boss there are plenty of days off ahead with extremely short notice – deal with it
another $mall donation making it’s way to Santa Monica
hey emptywheel – I would want you in a street fight any ol time – jeebus, you have the ganas of a reform school gurl;)
p.lukasiak @ 84
I think the court reporters are taking a day or so to turn around the transcripts. But you have to pay for the transcripts–that’s how the reporters make their money. I heard one of the journalists saying they’re pretty expensive.
OT – CNN – Senate confirms Petraeus 81-0
Marcy, enjoyed your CSpan appearance this AM. Byron sure hated being corrected by you, loved it! It was well worth being an hour late for work.
cbl @ 87
Why thank you kindly!!
I played rugby for 6 years, so that might explain it.
Something I have never said in my life..”I CAN’T WAIT UNTIL MONDAY!!!!!!!!!”… now pass the popcorn, please.
BTW – I can’t wait for the image you use for Ari after Fitz’s pig in a poke comment. Or maybe you’ll go for the gutter (I’m not getting it started today).
Diane @ 90
Yup, he did. He didn’t see the point. And the host even cut me off when I tried to correct him about “no one seeing the report on Wilson’s trip.” That was the one I really wanted to get in.
Byron just filibustered.
So, did anyone else catch this reference to Ari on Atrios? Ari, ari Bo, Bari
That’s nailbiting stuff goin’ on there. moe99 @
79
Oh. My. Gawd. Everytime I go to France, I buy a box of melange pralines. They are divine especially the ones made with creme fraiche. You can get them in Manhattan too and they will ship to your door but the fresh ones are the best because the creme fraiche is perishable. And you are right about the white chocolate mocha praline. Exquisitely light and delicious. Almost better than sex.
Yeah. Agreed. Jeter is a class act.
We wrote “There’s a lot more to Derek Jeter that what we see on the field and in the credit card ads on television. His parents instilled in him a desire to serve others, so it was natural to create the Turn 2 Foundation in 1996 to support and help at-risk children… He is fiercely loyal to family, friends, and teammates. Boyhood buddy Doug Brio is still his friend, as is high school sweetheart Marisa Novara. When teammate Daryl Strawberry was suspended for the third time for drug abuse, Derek went to him and told him he loved him and supported him in his efforts to turn his life around.”
I still think trading SS Hanley Ramirez to
to Florida has/will come back to haunt us…
emptywheel @ 77
Nina Totenburg presented an excellent and concise report this morning on NPR (Nice Polite Republicans). It was a refreshingly accurate bit of reporting for a change.
Diane @ 91
Anyone have any idea if it will be re-broadcast?
And Marcy and Christy and Team FDL, if you get booked to speak or appear somewhere, could you give us all a heads up so we can tune in? Pretty please?
emptywheel @
86
Two good points. At least the first one. Marcy, are you inferring that somebody at the WH knew the Niger documents were forgeries before they were cited as genuine, or are you inferring that the WH knew details of how they originated?
Also, to those interested in EW’s C-SPAN appearance, C-SPAN posts Washington Week’s weekday morning appearances on their website by about 3:00 p.m. EST same day. It divides the show’s segments into 30-minute sections which are easy to view on your computer at a time of your convenience.
hackworth at 97 — I got to meet Nina this week in Washington. She is a hoot — and very sharp. I’m glad she got to do a summary on the trial this morning, and sorry I missed it. I get the sense that there is a lot of pulling and tugging and wheedling from a lot of the reporters to editors for space for this story — to be done correctly and not just shorthanded — and that isn’t always something that they are allowed to do. It’s so great when the reporters who are really paying attention to detail on this can get an opportunity to discuss that detail in a good report.
emptywheel – You were indeed great on cspan this a.m. How early did you have to get up? And have typing all day yesterday too. We, here at FDL, award you the FirePup Award for Valor and Intelligence.
I specifically loved the part where York was misstating facts about the case and you interrupted by saying that is wrong. He kept saying yes it is, and you said no it is not. Would have loved you to pin the facts about that on his forehead. But alas, the moderator never let you get back to WHY he was wrong.
Stephen Parrish @ 68
Looking back at the paraphrased scripts that emptywheel was able to liveblog during Schmall’s testimony it looks like he told Libby/Cheney about the grave danger of outing a CIA officer on or around July 14th (novak’s article had come out). It was after she was outed…but most likely before he talked to the FBI investigators and before his GJ testimony. Imho, definitely giving him a motive to lie.
As for the Iran nuke story out today…notice it says unnamed UN officials….here we effing go again….arrrghhh!
Sorry if these issues have been pointed out before I finished typing and posting.
Ed*ard Teller @ 99
I’m suggesting two things. First, it is crystal clear that SOMEONE (actually two someones, probably) knew of Wilson’s trip report before he came forward, because they were using it as evidence. Some of the tensions underlying this case may relate to that–they’re still trying to cover up that they DID know. The best candidates to be this person are Libby, Hadley, Armitage/Wilkerson–you can see how it would have a bearing on any of their behavior in this case.
But there are also reasons to believe BushCo knew these were forgeries and still used the intell. It now appears increasingly likely they had the forgeries earlier than they have previously claimed–summer 2002 rather than fall, which would put it before the time CIA was pushing against using the intell HARD. If that’s true, than someone made the decision to resuscitate the claims in December (Bolton) and January (BushCo).
my too sense @ 102
Yes. He’s not sure when he told them of that. But it’s not August, which may be significant since Judy met with Libby (and, possibly, Cheney) in August of that year. I have a feeling this detail will come back in more importance.
Does anyone know who Tim Russert will have on “Meet the Puppet” this weekend?
-GSD
OldCoastie @
16
Yeah, if only to recoup his testicles from the blind trust Jack Welch put them in.
Thursday, January 25, 2007
Hollywood throws party for Osama
WASHINGTON (AP) — Hollywood moguls Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen are throwing a fundraiser for Sen. Obama bin Bar-al-Qaeda’s (D-Islamabad) presidential campaign next month.
Some 700 invitations to the 2,300 dinar-per-head event at the Beverly Hilton Hotel went out this week, Andy Spahn, political adviser to Katzenberg and Spielberg, said Thursday. Katzenberg, Spielberg and Geffen are the founders of the DreamWorks movie studio…
emptywheel @
103
Doug Feith’s Office Of Special Plans (aka the bullshit-stovepiping operation) was still running full blast at the time, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O…..cial_Plans
One wonders just what the compromised folks at NBC are feeling like right now.
Russert being outed as a mere propaganda tool for Dick Cheney and Matthews as an object of obsession by Deadeye and his minions.
I wonder if Keith O has been using a mirror to look under his car before he starts it?
-GSD
Looks like I’m not the only one who missed Marcy on cspan & hoping to find out soon when it will be replayed. Wish the schedule was updated quicker. Is it that cspan decides the schedule almost at the last minute or that they are slow to update the website?
Marcy said in #103,
But there are also reasons to believe BushCo knew these were forgeries and still used the intell. It now appears increasingly likely they had the forgeries earlier than they have previously claimed–summer 2002 rather than fall, which would put it before the time CIA was pushing against using the intell HARD. If that’s true, than someone made the decision to resuscitate the claims in December (Bolton) and January (BushCo).
Does moving their knowledge of the Niger forgeries to earlier in 2002 square with the Laura Rozen/Josh Marshall timeline? I downloaded their timelines, but it is on my work laptop, 50 miles from here……
This is interesting. Talk about things that are starting to crawl out of the moist, smelly earth as we pry at rocks! Maybe a side benefit of this trial will be renewed curiosity about who created those cute papers.
Was anyone else surprised that Hadley in the testimony seemed to be more of a straight arrow than the rest? Or did I get the testimony wrong EW?
Martin at one point seemed to suggest that he wanted to STOP the spin of blaming the CIA for everything and that that she and Cheney had to go behind his back to spin the story the VPs way. I always had him pegged as a true believer type.
Or maybe he was just more clever in not talking about the strategy in front of subordinates…
GSD @ 109
All they care about is money.
_
Christy Hardin Smith @ 101
Here’s a link to what Nina has done so far that has been uploaded on the web.
NPR (Nice Polite Republicans)
I hadn’t heard that one before–that’s a hoot! Demetrius used to listen to NPR in the mornings, but says that it became unbearable since the Bush people took over.
Nellieh @ 66: “Even if, after conviction – and I’m pretty convinced he will be – Libby doesn’t do time, yes, he is ruined as a public servant.”
Not necessarily. There are other possible routes, the extremes being:
Path of the Good — See John Dean for example;
Path of EVIL — See Elliot Abrams for example.
Hi Renee in Ohio. I have left several comments for you answering the question is the same Grandma from the DFA blog. YES, one in the same. A little grayer and only slightly more competent about the computer. :)
Marcy, Christy and all of you covering this trial:
Thank you so much for all you’re doing. I hope you’ll have time to relax this weekend and forget about the trial a little bit. I can’t imagine how fast the gears must be turning in your heads. Here’s hoping you get some R&R, because there will likely be even more fireworks in week 2 of the trial. Get rested, tanned, and ready to rock!
Thanks again. I wish I could donate more to FDL right now, but I can’t. I hope everyone who can donate will contribute (see the upper right-hand corner for the PayPal and Credit Card Donation links).
Left a comment in response to Jeralyn’s post on Fitz’ new filing going to motive:
Scooter was certainly worried about his job — but not in the same way that working stiffs across the country worry about their jobs. His motive to lie had less to do with money than it did raw, naked, utterly corrupting power.
edit: Shout out to Marcy!! Nice work on C-SPAN, love your self-control. I’d have b*tch-slapped that media whore sitting across from you, if I’d have been in your shoes.
Ugh, my proofreading skills have gone down the toilet. I read that three times, even in preview. [grumble grumble]
I don’t know if it’s supposed to be common knowledge or not, but every time I see the initials GSD, I automatically think “German Shepherd dog”. Would anyone care to give me something to replace that with?
Or I could just quietly stick with the dog thing. Not a big deal.
Russert=Dick’s tool.
-GSD
o/t
U.S. troops authorized to kill Iranians in Iraq
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16818179/
Oh, you mean like this guy ?!?!?
I share the concern; If they aren’t covering your back, they are dangerous. We know of numerous instances where this information was used improperly. I wonder if the info was used for coercion to keep the conspiracy going within WHIG?
what is the effect of a conspiracy to utilize classified information to coerce?
Woof, woof.
-GSD
Renee.
Granite State Destroyer
Grandmaj.
and a 100 pounds lighter ! (wavin’ from texas:))
dipper @ 38
PBS covered the trial and MSNBC (w/ David Schuster?) did a very good wrap up of the days events. The major channels just find this too complicated to spare 2 minutes from their air time.
“Number Two” is a pretty apt description for both of them.
Christy- Glad you made it home safely to your little one.
Marcy- Enjoyed your smack-down segment with B. York on C-Span this morning very much. You certainly put him in his place. I wanted to put my hands through the tube & shake the holy-living-hell out of him.
scooter is playing the gordon liddy card. sure I’m guilty. but don’t you prefer me to the terrorists winning? or ollie northing. works great for the scumbags that send them money to defend themselves.
scooter has caused people that came to our intelligence services to help, either by being paid or believing they were helping the people of their own country. he and his handlers betrayed that trust to, we the people, and to the people of these other countries we are supposed to be helping.
condor, come on in, we want to debrief you. wonder how many people ended up from Abu to Guantanamo, for trying to help? very hard to help when you don’t know who’s side the person you are speaking to is on.
Peanut! Redd! Marcy!
Peanut. Would you please give an extra big hug to mommy for us? THANK YOU! And maybe you could convince mom to find a good video and curl up on the couch with you today. ;->
Redd. Just an awesome week! Your commentary all over HuffPo and ??? (anyplace else we ought to look. golly we’re proud!)
Marcy. Just incredible work this week. And I’m looking fwd to seeing your book. Tickled the nose of a sweet young salesgurl with it in Borders earlier in the week, & left her murmering, “That looks interesting!”
They already had 3 whole copies on order (woo hoo-at least it’s a start) & she said she’s not allowed to bump up that #, but I did assure her they’re gonna want/need to. I didn’t order one myself just then, but did let her know I was going to look around in other stores 1st to see if someone else has it, heh.
Missed C-Span appearance this a.m. dang! Must catch repeat later in the day. Congrats!
oh, and Redd: ‘member that lil stress-related thumb thingie? catch blitzer’n bigthyme 1/24 fairly early part, afore himself realizes & slaps his “override” button. heh. apparently contageous?
!!!yahoo FDL!!!
Renee in Ohio @ 116
ditto. AirAmerica came into being just in time. We’ve got to support it and keep it going (just like here) Sign up for premium and you can get podcasts of whatever you want and help fill their kitty too.
Off-topic but we haven’t heard about Jane’s pathology report. Has it come? Is it so bad no one wants to tell the masses how bad it is? Surely it’s come back by now.
I did a search and the last time “pathology” was mentioned it was in reference to TRex’s skin cancer, not Jane.
Anybody have any idea what’s up with Jane? The silence is ominous.
Cool, GrandmaJ. I did miss your response–I have an impossible time keeping up with the threads here.
My computer skills are getting better as well, with regard to things like Photoshop. Way back during the Dean campaign, we put up a Cafe Press store at the request of some blog people. All the stuff at People-Powered Graphics was available for supporters to print for free, and we found directions for people to print their own bumper stickers, t-shirt transfers and stuff like that. Then someone asked, could we make those things available at Cafe Press.
After a while, the Cafe Press people offered us a premium store for free–I think it was because they were trying to get more people to offer their campaign oriented designs there.
Then, once the 2004 election was over, we still had this premium store, but were being charged the six bucks a month or whatever. And we weren’t always making that much a month in sales. Anyway, we decided to branch out and do more than political designs. Here’s a link to our store.
Regarding the Photoshop, all the designs with the cat, golden retriever, collie, or labrador are mine. All the designs that are really good artistically speaking are by Demetrius. But I’m still pretty amazed that I can do these things at all.
choochmac @ 112: “Martin at one point seemed to suggest that he [Hadley] wanted to STOP the spin of blaming the CIA for everything and that that she and Cheney had to go behind his back to spin the story the VPs way. I always had him pegged as a true believer type.”
I think you’re confusing office politics with actual politics. In terms of office politics, Hadley is affiliated with the Condi team, and we all know Condi and and Dick have frequently butted heads.
The web gets stranger every day. Phil Donahue has posted a story about Sarah Olson, the Tacoma reporter who broke the Lt. Ehren Watada case, at Counterpunch (!!):
http://www.counterpunch.org/donahue01262007.html
GPB 133
Not OT at all! Thanks for having the courage to bring it up. I’m sure a lotta folk, like us, have been ticking off the days & trying to be patient, but… it’s hard.
Ed*ard Teller @ 111
I’m basing that partly on work eriposte has been doing–as well as some Italian journalists. Also, some of the documents released this week may support the claim. But IIRC, Rozen/Marshall’s timelines date back to before this knowledge was out there.
Peanut!
Welcome home.
And thanks for sifting this stuff for the lay people.
Give Marcy a hug for me when you get back.
You would never guess such a little thing could bodyslam Byron Yorke so effectivly
^_-
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 134
If/when Jane decides she wants to share her personal medical story with the entire world, she will. I, for one, would like to respect her privacy on this. I hope others will want to as well. Sure, I’m curious, but it’s here body and her story. It must have taken A LOT for her to even tell us what she was facing before the surgery. By now she knows we are here to offer whatever support we can (including chocolate).
choochmac @ 112
I didn’t read it as straight arrow. I read it as culpable. Keep in mind, after all, that Hadley was the guy who decided to get the communicators (like Martin) out of the process. I think it highly likely that what he was really after was removing all people who didn’t have particular knowledge of some facts.
Keep in mind–Hadley was the guy who was warned in October 2002 not to use the Niger claims. He was lying even in July 2003 about his role. And he met with Nicolas Pollari in September 2002, when the CIA was really slamming the Niger intelligence. So he may have a lot to hide–and he may have realized that the CIA could screw him badly, as they eventually ended up doing.
When they talk about Mitchel, are they talking about Andrea Mitchell?
I always thought that Chenney called her directly with the gossip, but so far there is no indication that Chenney talked directly to reporters on his own.
Have I missed any refferences to Chenney talking directly to press about Willson and “the wife”?
Marcy,
Thanks for EVERYTHING on this! Can’t wait for _Anatomy of Deceit_ to come in the mail.
RevDeb @ 140
The blogging about Jane’s operation was pretty intense, and we know she was up and out of the hospital as quickly as she could justify it. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if she’s been keeping a lower profile and resting at home all week, and I don’t blame her a bit if that’s the case. I agree with you–no reason to worry about what the information we don’t have means.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 133>
Silent no more . . .
Peterr @ 48
Oh, and RevDeb: she really, really loves Leonidas Fresh Belgian Chocolates. “Made with 100% pure cocoa butter. I mean, there should be a law.”
You might want to pop by around 1 PM, FDL-time.
Stephen Dulaney @ 142
Yes, Mitchell.
No, so far Cheney hasn’t been on the phone with any journalist. But the most likely time for him to have spoken to Mitchell was at Gerald Ford’s birthday party on July 16 (two days after Novak’s article); Mitchell’s hubbie was the honoree that night and Cheney, as an old Ford guy, almost certainly was there. If he talked to her, he would have done no more than say, “smear Plame.”
Of course, we did learn of a conservative journalist lunch sometime later that week, too, at the VP resident. I have a feeling we’ll learn more about that luncheon.
BREAKING -
Jane Hamsher @ 134
From last night’s thread: Jane will post today at 1:00 PM Pacific Time.
RevDeb @ 98
C-Span usually does repeat, but I’m not sure if they have any special schedule. On active days when Congress in session, sometimes they just slip bits & pieces in during slow periods. FRUSTRATING(!) to miss out.
I second your plea! If anyone hears of a definite, scheduled repeat, please sing out in BOLD CAPS, pretty please!?!
judd legume, founder of think progress joins hilaries campaign and leaves think progress
man, that is in my top three visists and I am going to miss him
I think the blog will continue it’s great work but still
choochmac @ 112
I noticed that, too, and wondered if Hadley might have been the “1″ in the 1×2×6.
How’s Jane doing?
Anybody notice the mention in 421 pg 2 that Schmall was asked whether he’d take a poly wrt Plame leak?
Different standards for the worker bee’s.
perris @ 150
She probably gave him an offer he couldn’t refuse ($$$)
My hiring “top” bloggers like him and Dau, she is trying to buy blog cred.
Doesn’t work for me.
emptywheel,
in case you missed it.
pssst, Byron’s the “cute” one
Hey Byron, meet our Marcy X~o
Looking for any other folks besides Rozen/Marshall that may have info to validate that CIA had the forgeries in 2002…when I ran across this bit:
– “The Stovepipe”, The New Yorker (online), Seymour Hersh, posted 20-OCT-2003.
Kind of an understatement there, Martin. I think you are in this up past your blonde roots.
http://www.cspan.org/videoarch…..veDays=100
Marcy Wheeler & Byron York, National Review
Marcy Wheeler, Author, “Anatomy of Deceit” & Byron York, National Review, White House Correspondent talk about the CIA leak case. Both are following the trial of Lewis “Scooter” Libby closely. They discuss look at the revelations of the first week, the importance of the case, and the possible long-term impact on the Bush Administration.
1/26/2007: WASHINGTON, DC: 41 min.
Guess I know what I’m doing for the next 41 minutes….
Grasping Reality… color commentary is more your speed, Scott. :)
N.Y. Times Comes to a Standstill in a Courtroom Journey
“At the table on the left, in front of the 12 jurors and 4 alternates, is the prosecution, led by the rumpled Mr. Fitzgerald, who has a prominent bald spot and a knack for projecting righteous indignation even in the most routine exchanges of legal Ping-Pong.” more
Hi Redd- must be good to be home..
I can’t really believe that Scoots thought Cheney would fire him- Cheney’s the asshole who DIRECTED him..Fitzy’s setting himself up for Cheney to say- “No way Scoots was gonna lose his job- and I told him so” or somethin to that effect..
The motives were all political- to avoid political embarassment and hide the fact that the fuckheads had outed a spy- gettin into this job security stuff seems weak to me.
Pat_AlexVA @ 152
And not very good ones. Surely any reasonably informed person knows by now how unreliable polygraphs can be.
Those reporters and media who will not be compromised will be DESTROYED.
How very patriotic and democratic and full of liberty.
Sickening.
-GSD
emptywheel @ 146
I hope Fitz got any documents before the shredding truck showed up at the VP’s residence.
As as draftee fresh out of the Army who held a high level security clearance I didn’t think too much about my job in the service. One Friday night shortly after separating my cousin and I are standing elbow to elbow with all the TGIF party people and the guy next to me asked what I did in the Army…after I casually told him he flashed a badge and proceeded to give me a stern lecture about the papers and responsibilities I had signed and committed to. The NSA does not take security breaches lightly, and everyone who obtains a clearance is made perfectly aware of it, I guarantee that Scooter is and was aware of all the rules.
RevDeb @ 114
This morning’s Libby trial piece is not up yet on the npr site. Even though I was sleepy eyed when I heard it, I recall that it was the best, most logical and easy to follow news piece I’ve heard so far from Nina or anyone else.
Thanks ET !!!
Marcy – You are GREAT! Byron York, yeecchhhh – how many lemons did you make this guy suck, EW?
ROFL…
GSD @ 160
Sickening, but consistent. I hope somebody’s keeping track of all this karma.
Jane is doing well. She’s going to post at 1 pm PT today. And when and if she chooses to talk about any test results or anything else, I hope everyone will understand that it is JANE’S choice to do so. It isn’t easy to talk about personal stuff in a very public forum like this — even though you guys all feel like family, it still isn’t easy — so you’ll just have to respect the fact that we share what we are comfortable with but that even bloggers get to have some personal privacy. I think we have earned a little personal space, don’t you guys?
CSPAN has a WEBSITE where you can view ARCHIVES of Washington Journal. The CHS appearance from a couple months ago is probably still available, as well….
You’re not familar with the CSPAN website? Wow. What you’re missing….
Leonidas is pretty good, as is Neuhaus. BoozeBombs! (If you know what I mean, you KNOW what I’m talkin ’bout).
expat @ 162
Be glad you got off with a warning!
And yes, Irving is and was aware of all the rules, but to him, Cheney, Addington, Yoo, and the rest of BushCo, the Leona Helmsley Principle comes first: The Rules are for the little people.
Ed*ard Teller @ 156
I caught some of this and I must say, I really appreciated the sneering tone of some of the callers when they refer to blogs. This works in our favor. We keep gaining ground as they stay in their little uninformed bunkers, oblivious to the truth and thinking it’s all an elitist fad while, hopefully, we continue to hold that damned liberal media to account for misinforming the public. They are already taking notice, albeit grudgingly, because they realize now the progressive blogosphere can no longer be ignored and are exposing their lies and distortions as quickly as they can get them printed/aired.
Very glad to see Marcy Wheeler on CSPAN and what a boost for FDL.
RevDeb @
132
True dat, RevDeb. Here in the Metro-Boston area, we’ve (incredibly and unjustifiably) just lost our AAR real-time radio broadcast facility — pls visit http://www.bostonprogressivetalk.net/ and sign the petition — but as an AAR Premium subscriber and a happy iPod user for >1 year, I still get my daily fix, albeit a few hours late, and I can listen at my convenience. But without the commercials, and I get to support AAR directly! What a feature! When desperate for realtime news I sometimes listen to NPR and they are even more pathetic than before AAR’s birth. Feh.
It’s great to see the vise tightening around Libby, and by strong implication Cheney.
((((Jane))))
emptywheel @ 141
No straight arrow, but maybe outing a CIA agent was too far for him to go. I seem to vaguely recall that Cheney and Libby pulled something without his knowledge with regards to declassifying the NIE.
Right? Wasn’t he uninformed at some point that they had already declassified portions of the NIE in order to leak to Judy?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 167
Absolutely.
Someone’s watching alright
EW – do you have the “draft” Tenet falling on his sword text? Inquiring minds want to compare the two…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 167
Absolutely!!
Hmm, is Hadley being set up as the “patsy?”
Morning, ‘lakers …
I apparently missed something. What is the 1 x 2 x 6?
BC
I’m not thinking patsy. I’m thinking he’s the guy who leaked to the Washington Post in the 1×2×6 article.
And maybe the two are simply Libby and Cheney and he was unaware that Rove was also involved. I just get the feeling that Cheney and Libby didn’t keep him entirely in the loop either, and maybe that’s because he wasn’t on board with blaming the CIA.
Glad you made it home safe to the Peanut, Christy. Ours is a little under the weather with a fever, and napping quietly now.
Peter 145
WOW! Thanks! Wonderful. Just WONDERFUL! ;->
Bargain Countertenor @ 178
This article from the Washington Post that refers to 1 senior administration official, 2 top Whitehouse officials, and 6 reporters.
OT – from last night’s The Daily Show – Jon Stewart on Cheney’s Appearance on CNN
SharonW @ 179
I had forgotten that it was Hadley rwt the “declassification” of the NIE, maybe he wasn’t completely in the loop. Hmmmm…
SharonW @ 182
Mil gracias, Sharon.
Bargain Countertenor @ 178
From an earlier thread:
emptywheel @ 13
Oh Geez, I’m sorry. I was using my own damn shorthand and didn’t notice.
An article published in the WaPo on 29 September 2003, which quoted 1 person saying 2 SAOs [Senior Administration Officials] called 6 reporters to leak Plame’s identity. The theory espoused in it (and repeated in the 12 October article referenced) is that there was a deliberate, serial attempt to leak her name.
SharonW @ 179
SharonW, you’re too kind to these criminals. You could be right, but I think these guys are cutthroat enough to knife each other whenever it suits them.
new thread
ET 156 Thanks. Just found it. Got delightfully slowed up by following Peterr’s pointer to JaneH comments last night. So nice to hear from her.
Christy. I think we all can agree with your comments in re privacy & respect. Absolutely!
emptywheel @
88
oh, no!… are you sure? lhp had told us that:
i’ve been looking forward to reading them! (i’m sure i’m not the only one *g*)
i’m probably lost in epu land here.. but would sure love to read some of the transcripts if anyone knows where we can find them (or knows to tell us to stop looking). thanks!
Is there a way that we could send Jane some Leonidas chocolates from NYC? Does anyone have an address and would volunteer, if we fronted the cash, to contact Leonidas and have them express mail a box to her?
OT -
Folks I’m going Columbo on US Atty Slow-Mo Sat. Night Massacree v.2.0.
Tangent:
IANAL, so can someone who knows what should be an average caseload looks like take a look at this.
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/lae/press/index.html
Looks like a lot a ‘firearms violations’ smoke and little else on cursory glance from this IANEAP (even a paralegel..)
:~>
Thanks.
expat @ 163
ASA? Or Signal Corps?
Pat_AlexVA @ 175
Yeah. I’ll have a post on it later today, exhaustion willing. But I don’t have a good link for it yet.
g’mornin’ jumping ahead to say Marcy is on cspan now. Sorry if this is a repeated comment.
Good Morning Jane!!
moe99 @ 192
Moe, that’s what I did from Boston. But I asked my mother to do it for me. I paid over the phone with a credit card. Found Leonidas online.
Anyone else wants to do it, go for it. But I can’t ask my 81 year old mom again and we don’t have an address for Jane since she left the hospital.
Deacon Blues @ 18
Thanks for the great laughs this morning early (on the west coast anyway).
moe99 @ 191
Come by at 1PM and ask her yourself.
Ed*ard Teller @ 156
what program plays rtsp format? My computer doesn’t recognize it.
RevDeb @ 197
Or, better yet, donate to FDL. Last I read, they really could use more cash to keep up their expenses right now.
I’m clearly missing something about the Leonedis chocolates. Definitely something to put on the “must try” list, with this many raves about them. *g*
Was just thinking about this…
And it seems to be that the thrust of Well’s argument is that,
“Since he had no motive to lie, then the ‘alleged’ perjury that Irving has been charged with, was not in fact perjury. The great and powerful Irving, distracted by many pressing matters, merely misspoke himself.”
“So this whole trial thing is a sham really.”
But if its established and admissible that Irvning clearly understood the severe implications of the Non-Disclosure, Classification agreements. Then Well’s argument starts to look really really thin.
If Scooter’s claim to innocence all along was that ‘He thought he had heard if first from reporters.” AND It is admissible that he understood the classification NDA standards clearly, then his motive (to lie) is established.
If his motive to lie is established, then it follows that his innocence is questionable.
Apologies for re-stating the obvious, just mulling over the arguments, and thought I’d share my rumination.
Sophist @ 204
Well, in law, no. Establishing motive is just a means of making the evidence plausible in the context of the crime. Motive in itself is not prima facie evidence of guilt. Only evidence (documents, testimony, etc.) can supply the necessary means of establishing guilt.
Straying a little off of the Scooter topic here. Trapsing over to the escalation and inaction by many members of Congress…
I stayed up most of last night because I was so upset after reading the latest whining from Arlen Specter. Apparenently, he says that he and other Senators are “anguished” because they don’t know how to tell the President that his escalation policy is a bad idea without hurting his feeeeeelings.
I was outraged that he has the audacity to say that he is anguished over how to respond to the President. If he wants to see true anguish, he should talk to those who are directly affected by this heinous war.
I posted a rant to Daily Kos on it (lost my ISP connection just as I was about to post last night, so I couldn’t post until today). I’d love your comments and suggestions on this. I’m thinking about sending it to Specter and other members of Congress who feel they are suffering from “anguish”. I may send it as an LTE, too.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Arlen Specter’s “Anguish”
montag @ 204
I agree montag, I read my comment, and saw the non-sequiteur, and edited.
I doesn’t follow that he is quilty because he has motive, but it does follow that his ‘innocence’ is questionable, which was my correction.
Christy, glad you made it back home safely.
re “the Peanut”: now, we shouldn’t be reading that with the same skepticism as Wells’ “the wife”, right? :~)
punaise at 207 — No, I just don’t like to use her name publicly much, for personal security reasons, as I’m sure you can understand. (Having been a prosecutor, I’m a little overprotective when it comes to that sort of thing about my baby.)
I’d send her ribs from Doug’s Barbecue in Emeryville but I don’t think I could get to a shipping company and have any left, and then I’d look like this.
Christy, here’s my favorite Leonidas praline:
http://www.leonidas.com/smarts…..amp;cat=36
If Libby had no motive to lie, because he did not fear that his boss, VP Cheney, would fire him for leaking V. Wilson’s CIA employment to the media, then that is testimony under oath that Cheney was complicit in the leak.
I am keeping firmly in mind that this trial is Fitz’s opening shot, and that he has a habit of using evidence derived from the trial of a low-level target to indict a higher-level target.
Pat_AlexVA @ 74
So he would have been quite early given a “heads up” about the severity of what he did.
THAT gives him (and Cheney) a major rationale to obstruct the investigation…Schmall stated in no uncertain terms that leaking an agents name would have major deleterious consequences to National Security.
At the very least it would evince defensive techniques that would divert investigators from following useful trails (”Russert told me” rather than “Judy told me”). He wasn’t just scared of losing his job, he was scared of revealing the fact that there was this massive machine set loose to defame Wilson…and that this involved not just himself, but Cheney…and even the President (who declassified select portions of the NIE).
Yet Wells is desperately trying to make it appear that this was just some minor set of events in the “Day In The Life” of Scooter that he would easily forget the more than a month of discussion about Wilson and “Wilson’s wife” that preceded Novak’s article.
Just how likely is it that Libby “forgot” about the events in the preceding month and a half before Schmall’s July 14 warning? I think that such a comment would have had a vilifying effect on Scooter’s memory (i.e. “Holy SH*T, I’m in trouble!”).
Can’t wait to hear the episode about the luncheon at Cheney’s residence. I’ll bet it was a posh affair.
“Of course, merely quoting the public source in the abstract is not a second unauthorized disclosure. ” – from the answer to SF312 Question 19
Libby is smart. He knew if he could lay off his ‘outing Plame’ to merely repeating what a reporter told him, the above cluase would give him leave him in the clear. I wonder if Fitz will point this out?
I’ve had the same experience with a relative with mine. After returning from overseas he/she was never able to tell us where or why. He/she did warn us all that our names and relationship to him/her were provided to the powers that be, and to not be surprised if we received our own knock on the door (for background checks, etc.).
I try not to clog the comments and use additional bandwidth, but I simply cannot express my deepest gratitude for the ability to follow these details as they unravel. I know many are involved, I hope someday all are recognized for providing such an important view of the inner workings of a political machine that I don’t think we have ever witnessed. As often quoted, America will die not externally but from within. If FDL were not providing these details (and Marcy’s book!), the somewhat awakening 4th estate would still not present all of the disgusting details that need sunlight disinfection ASAP!
LandOfTheFree @ 205
Anguished Arlen. Hmmmphh! He damn well oughtta be, crusty old, two-faced enabling wh*re!
On to read the article.
Christy Hardin Smith @
208
I was joshing abut the use of “the”, in a lame reference to the Libby trial. of course your discretion is warranted: I’d call it sound parenting, not over-protectiveness!
hackworth @
97
Anybody have a link to this???
hackworth @ 97
Sooo late to this party…
I was thrilled to hear NPR had assigned Totenburg to this trial. Seems like they could’ve put anyone on it since it cuts across so many beats. When she’s on her game there are few better.
ds @
218
Answered my own question
npr rundown
“When does the greed stop? . . . What is it about working men and women that you find so offensive?” – Senator Edward Kennedy
Kennedy rips Publicans for filibustering minimum wage bill.
Christy, glad you made it home safe and sound. Thanks to you and emptywheel for all your hard work.
The only way Fitz’s argument would be valid is if Libby had a reasonable expectation that he would be held accountable for revealing classified information.
These are the guys who lied the nation into war, have gotten more than 3,000 military personnel killed in Iraq alone, slept through the briefings before 9/11 saying we were about to be hit, and shrugged off NOAA warnings about Katrina. I don’t think a little thing like the threat of losing a security clearance would mean a thing to him or anyone else in the White House. They’ve never been held accountable for anything, ever. Rove is the primary example–he’s generally acknowledged to have broken the security agreement he signed, and yet there’s been no discipline at all.
So Libby had every right to assume that even if he was responsible for blowing the cover of an entire intelligence network, nothing would officially happen to him.
That’s why it’s so important to get Congressional investigations underway, and to make sure all the details released during the Libby trial are kept in and before the public.
Christie,
If Congress were to pass a bill stating that Cheney and everyone in his office had their Security Clearances revoked, and that anyone providing any of them with classified material was committing a felony, do you think that would effectively remove Cheney and his office from operating in Intelligence and Military Affairs?
Reading the quotes from the SF-312 seems to say so.
“Either his motive was to cover up (a) a politically embarassing problem for his bosses; (b) potential crimes by his bosses; or (c)his own neck.”
All of the above and it goes for Cheney, Bush, Rove, and all the other WHIG players as well…conspiracy.
RAM @ 223
So do you think that Wells will deflect Fitz’s argument by saying:
“Mr. Libby had nothing to fear since he believed he was omnipotent and above the laws”?
Hmmm! Maybe it would work…but wouldn’t it provide another motive?
Simply that since Libby felt that as a matter of the Bush Administration he was above the law…that it was perfectly okay to lie to the Grand Jury.
Somehow that wouldn’t go over very well with this jury, I’d guess.
Or maybe Wells should try this tack. He should simply tell the jurors and the judge that the trial is just a waste of everyones time since Bush is going to pardon his client anyways!
You’ve hit on the thing I found hardest to understand about those transcripts, Christy, because it’s so at odds with my own experience. It appears that at least three people, Scooter, Cathie Martin, and Ari Fleischer discussed what they knew to be classified information with uncleared people (reporters or the Veep). Yet none of them appear to have been fired or disciplined for that act. If I or my coworkers had done such a thing, we’d be lucky to only be fired.
Rick B @ 224
I think the answer is “no” for two reasons:
First, such a law could not be passed over a Presidential veto.
Second, Congress seems to have no authority to do such a thing. I’m a bit shaky on the second point, but the classification system is entirely set up and administered by the executive branch. Congress, as far as I can tell, had nothing to do with it.
Christy,
I’ve gotten into an argument with another attorney who seems to think that Libby should not be required to take the stand to offer or use the ‘memory’ defense. That Wells and others can use other witnesses to make the defense. Do you have a response or a direction to send me to research this? I do no criminal work so am at a loss as to how to respond.
bravo fdl! one of my new favorite blogs!