
Is it really the intent of the Libby legal team to reintroduce the entire argument over the Bush Administration's flawed case for war in Iraq? Especially after we just completed the tedious slog through jury selection, with the endless string of questions about the potential jurors feelings about Vice President Cheney and the mess that is Iraq?
Because if that truly is their intent — to bring up the Niger document forgeries, as they did with the Government's witnesses Marc Grossman and Robert Grenier this morning; to bring up the war of words between the CIA and the White House/Vice President's office on who would take the blame for the mess that is Iraq; to bring up an endless string of innuendos that the CIA was out to make Scooter Libby into their fall guy? I'm sorry, but I do not see this jury buying that failure to accept responsibility. It's just a feeling from watching the jurors and the reactions of the folks in the gallery watching the trial…among which, there was a sense of confusion as to what, exactly, defense counsel was trying to get at today, other than to point out that people do, inherently, have memory questions over time.
But that is getting way ahead of the day's testimony, so on to the summary.
We started the morning with the continuation of testimony from Marc Grossman, former number three man at the State Department. To be honest, I am not enamored with Ted Wells' cross examination style — he's scattered, very extemporaneous, and overly exuberant, so that his personality overshadows the answers he is trying to elicit with his questions. When the lawyer becomes the story instead of the case, that is a problem, in my mind, and having watched a number of the other attorneys on Team Libby and from the government, I can honestly say that, stylistically, Wells' courtroom demeanor — the sort of forceful, boistrous lawyering — just is not my favorite.
One of the things we did the most today was sit in the courtroom and watch the attorneys haggle through objections and motions with the judge at the bench. It was a very slow, very long haul through the end of Grossman's testimony this morning — and the government was forced to make a number of objections on hearsay and relevance and questions outside the scope of direct examination because Wells continued to try and push the Adminstration's case for war around the edges in his questioning, including Wells' attempt to get Grossman to testify with regard to Valerie Plame Wilson's status at the CIA, despite the judge's prior order that the issue was to be off the table for this trial.
It was a long morning.
One substantial hurdle that Team Libby appears to be setting up in its own path is the gap between the two sides of their argument: it is illogical to say that Libby was (a) so busy with national security threats and other very important matters that he could not possibly have cared about Joe and Valerie Wilson enough to pay attention to them and, at the same time, say that (b) he was forced to do damage control on the matter of Wilson's questions of the Administration's, and particularly Cheney's, credibility by forcing them to confront the question of whether they had lied their way into war with Iraq, because it was a priority of the Vice President's and, thus, a priority of Libby's. Either it wasn't important or it was — but you cannot reconcile the two at one time, especially given that today's testimony elicited the following facts from the witnesses:
– From Marc Grossman: That Scooter Libby contacted him to ask about Joe Wilson, the trip to Niger and who was responsible for it. And that Libby was concerned that Grossman find this information out for him as expeditiously as possible. Grossman has some mitigating factors — he knew Joe Wilson from their tenure in the State Department, and Wells tried to intimate that his strong ties to Richard Armitage tainted him somewhat in terms of testimony aganst Libby, but I felt that Wells' attempt at impeachment with this information fell short, because Grossman clearly thought of Armitage's disclosure as wrong and yet appreciated being given a personal heads up about Armitage's conversation with Novak.
– From Robert Grenier: Grenier was a Deputy Director at the CIA during this time frame, working under John McLaughlin. He knew Libby through the Deputies Committee meetings at the White House, which he would attend when the subject was Iraq. On June 11, 2003, Libby phoned Grenier for the first time over the two years that they had known each other in this capacity and tasked Grenier into researching Joe Wilson and his potential role in the Niger trip — and whether the CIA had sent him due to interest being expressed by the Vice President's office. Grenier said that Libby's tone during this call was "aggrieved," and that he mentioned that Wilson had spoken with the press — which led Grenier to deduce that Libby wanted more information on the trip and on Wilson to deal with the inevitable pushback that would need to be done with press inquiries that led to uncomfortable questions. Grenier made some calls within the CIA to the Directorate of Operations Counterproliferation Division to "Kevin," but was unable to reach his contact there. He tasked someone else with researching the issue, and within a couple of hours had an answer. He attempted to reach Libby around 4:00 pm, but was unable to get him, and then left his office for a 4:15 pm meeting with George Tenet. During the meeting, he was pulled out by a staffer — the first time anyone had ever requested that he be pulled from a meeting with Tenet — to take a call from Libby who asked if Grenier had secured the background information on Wilson. When Grenier filled Libby in on the details he had learned, Libby asked if the CIA would be willing to go to the press with the information that it was not simple the Vice President's office, but also the Department of Defense and the State Department who had been seeking information about Iraq's alleged attempts to purchase uranium in Niger. Grenier then went back to the meeting, pulled out the CIA's press officer, and asked him if this would be possible and the two of them phoned Libby to say that there would be a way that this could be done – Grenier immediately put the press officer (Harlow) on the phone, where he spoke with a "Cathie" (presumably Cathie Martin, Vice President Cheney's then press secretary, who is expected to testify tomorrow) about how best to disseminate the story.
Grenier was cross-examined by William Jeffress, whose demeanor reminds me quite a bit of William H. Macy, and whose courtroom style is very open and friendly, so that you do not see the sting coming until after it has already hit. Unfortunately for Jeffress, he didn't quite land the stings that he was clearly hoping for at times. Essentially, the point that Jeffress was trying to make in his cross examination was that Grenier and others at the CIA had reason to fudge information to cast blame on folks at the Vice President's office and, in particular, Libby. But Jeffress failed to adequately make that point stick to Grenier — and his frequent interruptions when Grenier was speaking (although a common technique for cutting off a witness' answer that you don't want the jury to hear on cross) was off-putting.
– From Craig Schmall: Schmall was the CIA briefer who was responsible for briefing Scooter Libby, first, and later both Libby and Cheney, for the daily morning briefings from the Agency. Schmall was the most intriguing witness of the day today, and very credible, as both the jury and the folks in the gallery paid fairly close attention to what he had to say throughout the afternoon. Schmall put together briefing books, which included a summary page on which Schmall annotated questions, tasking assignments and other notes regarding issues that either Libby or the Vice President wanted addressed or answered during the course of the briefing. One of the funnier moments today came when we discovered that Scooter Libby, during the midst of these myriad of terrorist threats and other national security matters which were being briefed, met with Tom Cruise and Penelope Cruz regarding the treatment of Church of Scientology members in Germany. (Yeah, busy and important schedule matter, that.)
Fitzgerald did the direct examination of Schmall this morning and I thought it was brilliantly constructed — he managed to elicit tidbits that were very damaging to Libby's credibility and which directly challenged the "I was too busy and important to remember" defense, from a witness who was not hostile to Libby in the slightest and who came across as the sort of person who earnestly wanted to do a good job. Some of the information obtained included:
– Margin notes on the briefing slip for 6/14/03 (a Saturday briefing of Libby at his home): Libby complained about a story in the press about CIA analysts feeling bullied about his and VP Cheney's visits to the CIA;
– Margin notes on the briefing slip for 6/14/03: Libby asked "Why was the Ex. Amb. told this and was this a VP office question? Joe Wilson Valerie Wilson"
– Margin notes on the 7/14/03 briefing (a Monday, so it would have been with VP Cheney and with Libby potentially as well): "Did you read the Novak article — not your problem…"
All of this was very interesting, especially the timing of the questions asked about Wilson back on June 14, 2003. There is a bit of a puzzle about the "not your problem" portion of the 7/14/03 notation — does this mean that the briefer did not need to look further into the matter? And did this come from Vice President Cheney or from Libby?
Cross examination of Schmall was begun by John Cline for Libby's defense team, and he did a very methodical walk through of the matters that may have been briefed on June 14th, 2003, to show that Libby was a very busy and very important man. I also thought that Cline's courtroom style was very effective, and that he was both prepared and quite straightforward in his lines of questioning. Unfortunately, again, for Team Libby the types of questions asked walks them right back to the twin points of their defense argument which are not easily reconciled and may, in the end, come crashing into each other: if you are a busy and important man, why were you, Scooter Libby, running around the national security and diplomatic arena asking questions about a matter that you now say was trivial — asking multiple people multiple questions over an extended period of time? It just does not add up to any logical conclusion.
Fnally, a word about witnesses. Neither the government nor the defense gets to select its witnesses out of central casting. As is so often the case in any criminal matter, people involved on all sides of the case come to the witness stand carrying their own sets of baggage — that is true for the defendant, and for every witness on both sides who will be placed under oath. In criminal matters especially, you find that there is an awful lot of taint to a number of the people who testify — as a former colleague of mine in the prosecutor's office used to say, "You don't find swans swimming in sewers."
In the Libby matter, there is already a growing sense of the level of infighting, nastiness, egotism, and backbiting that is going on within the Bush Administration and between the various segments of our national security apparatus, the highest levels of the executive and among the diplomatic and military wings. To be completely honest, it is a wonder that these people have managed to cobble together anything that functions at all and — frankly — looking at the mess that is Iraq and our burgeoning deficit, an argument can be made that it is not even functioning in any real sense of the word.
This case, and the testimony elicited therein, is lifting up an awful lot of uncomfortable rocks. And what we are all seeing squirming underneath them is not pleasant for anyone in the courtroom. And it is only going to get worse the further down the road of testimony that we go. Tomorrow, we will finish the testimony of Craig Schmall and move on to Cathie Martin, whose testimony will be key in so many ways. Much more to come from the Libby trial.
Related posts:
- Cheney’s Betrayal Made an IIPA Charge for Libby Possible
- Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, and the “Unremarkable” Meat Grinder
- Cheney’s Lawyer Already Leaked the Content of Cheney’s “Privileged” Interview
- Hung Out to Dry: One Former VP Chief of Staff
- New White House Counsel Bob Bauer and Scooter Libby Justice





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Fitzmas!!!
How is JH?
New thread by Christy
I’m going to relight my candles for Jane and Esten, then I’ll read the post.
neuro, it helps to mention a new thread in the previous thread…we already know ;~)
Mommybrain @
5
Thanks, mommybrain. I know. I just forgot which thread I was on.
just teasin’, neuro. hazing.
Team FDL,
Have I told you all lately how much I love you all? This whole process and your hard work, dedication, knowledge and insight are THE most amazing thing on the toobz right now.
I hope we are planning a royal party at YKos this August so that we can raise something other than OJ glasses to you.
Brava and Bravo!
Oh, it’s a long post by Christy. I can’t wait to read it…Thanks!
Oh, and obviously Team Irving is absorbing every word you all are writing and adjusting their pitiful case accordingly. Note the disappearance of “the wife” today.
RevDeb @ 8
I am already booked RevDeb and I can’t wait.
Justin Raimondo has a great article at antiwar.com on this subject and the bigger picture that even links to your great coverage here:
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10384
Christy- this is a great summary of today’s events. Really adds a lot to Marcy’s live blogging.
Can you tell us when Libby was twisting his thumb? Or, what was your vantage point today?
RevDeb @ 10
Someone on the defense team actually had a wife disappear?
I’ve been obsessively following this since the early fall of 2004! Thanks for giving me my fix throughout the day today. I appreciate the synopsis of it all too. I know you all are working your butts off for us all on this. Again, THANK YOU!!!
Hey all — Marcy and I are having a lovely cuppa tea and talking trial details. :)
Marcy remarked that she was surprised that government email records in question were not archived. Seems that if the gubmint is collecting data from millions of Americans, it could keep emails generated by its top officials. Makes me think the emails are not archived for the express purpose of CYA.
From Raimondo:
“Oh, and one more thing: all that pretrial talk about a presidential pardon for Scooter seems pretty silly now that his lawyers are aiming their main fire at the White House. It seems the Libby defense team is employing what I have called the “Samson option” – and that means the beginning of a vicious civil war within the War Party, with the Bush loyalists on one side and the neocons – nested in the OVP – on the other, with each trying to blame the other for the various debacles that have befallen this administration and now seem to be culminating in a veritable tsunami of ill tidings for the GOP.”
Tick, tick, tick…….
-GSD
Christy – did you notice any response from the jury (wincing, gasps, or tremors) at the moment Schmall made his unsolicited remark about the gravity of leaking the identity of a CIA officer?:
“Now that Valerie Wilson’s name in press foreign intell in countries she worked have an opportunity to investigation all the people she worked with can be harrassed, lose their jobs, arrested, tortured, or killed.”
WoW
I guess since Valerie was the one who sent Joe, she had to be fired. Only they didn’t know she wasn’t just a secretary. Whoever doesn’t agree with this administration, gets fired.
After all of the waiting through this last year I am feeling hopeful and want to thank everyone for the incredible job that is being done.
Yea…I bet…and what did you spike that tea with? :)
RevDeb @ 10
I noted it, and asked earlier if anyone had a theory about this. But, no response. (I was trying to be circumspect- I sure didn’t want to bias comments by suggesting that they got the message by reading FDL!)
*ilbo @
14
Sorry for the abductee – but I have to ask:
How many days until the chauvinists notice?
RevDeb @
10
I’ve wondered about that. It tickles me no end to think that Scooter is getting billed for some junior assistant at the defense firm to read FDL. Let’s all wave to the poor kid, shall we?
Hi!
ccmask, Rayne is also working on a fdl guide, I think.
p.s. I hope that you are taking good care of yourself.
*ilbo @
14
Can you give me a phone number if you find out who arranged it?
cleter @ 25
Let’s all say hello to Macaca over here!
Dear Mr. Wells- Actually, I thought that the use of “the wife” was very effective as a means to diminish the importance of the outing of an agent. It will work in Libby’s favor. Go for it. Your admirer.
/s
A lot of commentary on earlier live blogging threads about folks reading too much of their own preconceptions and prejudices into every little nuance of testimony. I’m sure there’s more than a bit of truth to that notion, but as long as people have a concise, professional synopsis like Christy’s at the end of the day, it all balances out. I hope. Good job, gang!
Christy – didn’t Schmall also testify along the lines that what Libby did by outing Plame probably hurt or killed people? Can’t find where I read that now.
The swans are verra fine on Teh Lake these days!!
Christy & EW, many thanks for today’s coverage.
bg @ 31
And the Aspens are turning.
Two things struck me after reading the notes from today’s testimony. The first is that the story “Wilson’s wife sent him”, which is incorrect, turned out to be what got out to the press. Clearly, the story that got out is the story that started with one of the witnesses we heard from today – I forget which one.
Secondly, the Administration went out to attack Wilson. I know this isn’t a surprise but to see it in testimony makes the reality quite cold. No one seems outraged by it. At the end of the day, a CIA agent’s name was disclosed as part of a political squabble, perhaps not a crime, but clearly gross negligence that shouldn’t warrant on-going security clearance.
Balrog @ 33
From the rot, I think.
Ed*ard at 30 — Yes, he did. But I want to do a longer post on that later this week, so I left it out of today’s summary. His testimony — and this was really eerie for me — tracked my “Why This Matters” post very closely in its assessment of potential damage. I had one of those “catch your breath” moments as he was testifying. Very odd feeling, Ihave to say.
Muzzy @
19
But what about Sandy Berger?
-Foxy McTroll
Christy and Marcy,
De-lurking to add my thanks for all your effort. Hopefully it’s a little bit fun, too – it sure is enjoyable reading.
bent
Fantastic post, thanks Christy.
bg @ 35
Try this.
Anyone who challenges Bush is “fair game”.
Anyone who makes Mrs. Alito cry is an un-American hate-monger.
-GSD
bg @ 31
I saw some swans floating along in a pond on Cape Cod as I was driving the long drive home today. It would have been nice to be able to stop and take a picture of them, but alas, not.
RevDeb @
42
Cheney shot ‘em.
Christy Hardin Smith @
36
Hey, GSD – not only does Redd have a bigger brain than Katrina Van der whatever, she can predict the future!
Seriously, “Why This Matters” is probably the best essay anyone has yet written on this very, very important criminal case. Anyone who hasn’t read it should follow Christy’s link.
OT..but CHS can you change your HuffPo bio..it says your are a “former attorney” WTF how can the Chair of the FDL legal dept. be a former attorney?
Is there a tentative schedule of witnesses? Sorry if I missed this.
Thank you for the synopsis. I really would not be able to follow the trial without all your hard work.
Christy – I’d just like to say thanks. What you and Marcy are doing is very important to transparency of our government. Thank You both again.
Christy, I’ve been waiting with baited breath for your summary. You and EW have been doing a spectacular job. You must be very tired.
The site was horribly slow during the day. I expect we had tons of new readers – yes, including some lowly person from the defense team.
We sure could use an update on Jane, maybe from someone not in DC??
Just a FYI to Plamaholics everywhere:
Fitz has new stuff up on his web site and updates it at the end of the day with the evidence that was introduced in court that day.
Christy, you’re the best. I’m so glad you are there.
Christy, The testimony today about the CIA inquiry was very exact, as to the date. So that could not be in dispute.
What perhaps remains in dispute is whether Valerie was named or otherwise ID’d by Greiner. He wants to believe he didn’t, can’t be positive, but felt guilty, IIRC.
It would be very damaging to Libby if Greiner could recall that he did name her/ID her work. So the memory issue works to Libby’s advantage perhaps. Greiner’s issue for himself was that it would have been very damaging if he had put those people at risk, he was worried/guilty on that score, if he had played a part in disclosing that. So perhaps Armitage’s heads up was to put Greiner at ease that he was not actually responsible, but Armitage?
But I thought Greiner’s testimony was actually quite clear in many regards. Or least what I could tell from how it came out in the notes.
Steve at 45 — Well, I’m no longer practicing law. And “former attorney” sounded better than “recovering attorney.” LOL
Balrog @
40
Hey, Balrog. Git-Rot is a great product. I’ve used it down at my mom’s house near Seattle. It doesn’t work very well in Alaska, though, because it doesn’t set up well at our cooler temps.
I’d like to seat Scooter and Judy across from each other, sitting in a pool of Git-Rot, mixed with some strong epoxy resin glue for 24 hours. They would then finally succeed in being connected at the roots.
Ed*ard Teller @ 44
I’m sure I read that essay. However, I don’t remember reading it. I don’t recall on what day I read it, or even what time. Nor do I recall what it said. Comes from being busy with important matters. Perhaps if I followed the link, it might refresh my memory of the matter. But I’m sure whatever it said really matters.
Grandma Jo at 49 — I spoke with Jane on the phone yesterday and we had a long talk about how things are going at the trial. She’s doing well, as a matter of fact — she sounds wonderful. Marcy and I left her a message, but haven’y had a chance to get her on the phone this evening. :)
As for the site slowdown, we’ve been dealing with a string attacks on the site — and I don’t want to go into any more detail than that, for obvious reasons, while the proper authorities are looking into it.
Thanks ember @26.
I wonder if someone from Team Fitz is reading as well? I remember eyewitness accounts of Fitz keenly watching media coverage of the l’affair Libby.
I’m sure they’re interested in seeing what people are and are not picking up from the proceedings.
If so, hi. :)
first, thanks to all for providing a simultaneously entertaining and enlightening service. can’t thank you enough.
but to my question/comment: i would label myself as someone who has followed this case closely (on this site and others) for a long time, but not so closely that i could identify all the players or recognize all of the traps/contradictions in each line of testimony.
knowing that the liveblogging done today does not constitute a transcript of events, i found myself getting confused by all the references to director of this or under assistant secretary of that. and by references to “this happened on june 10 or 11″ but “this happened on may 22 or 23″. i needed a scorecard just to keep up.
my sense is that there’s a decent chance that the defense may succeed in so muddying the waters that the jury votes to acquit, simply out of an inability to make sense of it all. however, those folks who have been following the case closely will be able to use what is presented to convict Libby and Cheney and Bush in the court of public opinion. so, no legal justice for Libby, but eventual moral, political, and historical justice for the entire administration.
anybody else getting that feeling? can those in the courtroom comment?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 53
We like to say that’s because you got it right. I have a hunch that we may not be saying that of Team Libby.
I read this and feel the zeitgeist shift. The new breezes are blowing over the lake.
Thanks to you for making the case sensible and public and above all, marking its significance.
Yayyy!!!
I wanted to say this in the live blogging comments every hour, but it takes up too much bandwith.
Thanks to all of you for your hard work.
And I still may have to shoot my computer. Addicted as I am to Plame and all.
I guess I should actually post something substantial. I read through Marcy’s liveblogging when I got home from work and find the whole thing fascinating. Thank you for your synopsis, because it sort of mirrors what I was thinking when I was reading through Marcy’s posts.
I also want to bring up something slightly different than what Christy said above, but just about as relevant. Earlier today Laura Rozen linked up a WaPo article saying the defense got some shots in on the witnesses about their memory. I was crafting an email to Laura, but I have trouble getting my point across in writing so I didnt send the email.
The jist of the emails was this. The Defense was just really fishing for some “gotcha” moment to hang on the witnesses. But the problem with that is it usually is some minor point that you wouldnt expect to remember. If they cant remember minor details, that doesn’t mean that the stuff they remembered is iffy in regards to validity. Everyone expects ppl to remember the important stuff (even if it takes some memory jogging) and not necessarily the rest. Also, it seems the defense seemed to try to search for reasons that the witnesses may be lying. Granier didnt fall into the trap being set about turf wars.
Guess my final point is this one (it is similar to what Christy posted but slightly different).: The defense wants to say, hey Libby was a busy man with many important things on his plate, how in the hell can he remember this and that and the other about what he heard, what he said and when.
The problem with that is that with this early testimony, it seems that Libby was completely engrossed in finding just about anything and everything he could on Wilson. Pulling ppl out of meeting about this doesnt look good for him. How in the hell can you not remember something this important…especially if you were that involved in trying to smear Wilson.
On the other hand, the ppl that have been testifying so far really didn’t have a reason to remember everything exactly how it happened. They were just doing what was asked from them. They had notes, they had things in margins. But when they found out about Plame being outed, they started to search their brain and piece things together to give investigators the truth. From Granier’s testimony, it seemed like he was credible, he had a credible story for remembering, and a reason to remember.
Is the jury supposed to believe that Libby has faulty memory afterwards even after the heat was being applied? It is almost like they want to say, Libby is telling the truth, and everyone else is lying to save their asses….I’m inclined to think the jury will believe the inverse (or is that the converse)…
Hope that all made sense.
Does anybody have a line to David Corn to inform him that it’s Bill Jeffress, not Jeffers, as he put up in his post today? His server is not taking comments. Thanks
Christy – what a fantastic summary. I’ve been wrapped up with work so haven’t been able to follow the blow by blow that you, Marcy and Pach have been liveblogging – so it’s wonderful to be able to get a succinct, insightful summary.
I loved your final paragraph:
Are any factions of the MSM acutally pointing this out to the general public? (They may be, but I just haven’t had time to see what else has been written or reported.)
Kudos to the FDL team covering the Libby trial for all of us who can be there.
INCASE you didn’t know … The Fitzgerald site has copies of the pieces of evidence submitted for the last couple of days. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html
jd @ 59
From what I’ve read here this week and before about Fitz, he has a way of making things clear and concise. His opening was clear and to the point while Wells was filled with shiny things. If Fitz stays true to form, he will make his case with the jury in language they will understand and he will draw their attention away from teh shiny things.
I have faith in Fitz.
Speaking of Marcy’s book, I ordered mine a while back from Amazon. Does anybody know when they will be shipping them?
James Robinson @ 58
If someone from team Fitz isn’t reading, they might do well to start. Some of the asides Marcy added to her liveblog, particularly pointing out misrepresentations by team Libby, made me hope someone on team Fitz was reading.
New NYTImes article … “At Perjury Trial for Libby, Hints of Intrigue and Betrayal”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01…..ref=slogin
I think this is new, but I apologize if it has been posted before.
wonder what is keeping georgie from pardoning libby?
civil war?
neurophius at 68 — The book will be shipping to Amazon from the printers this week, which hopefully means that Amazon will be shipping the books next week — but no guarantee on that. Just an educated guess.
CHS @ 53 so you don’t practice..it would be like saying a law prof. is not an attorney..you practice law every day at FDL by educating us. It’s like saying a retired MD is a former doctor. Your current job hasn’t stripped you of your law degree. on and on…
Will they recycle the Criminalization of Politics talking point? Or are we past that? I wouldn’t put anything past them*.
*teevee/radio media and its preponderance republican talking heads.
oldtree @ 71
A civil trial to follow. The truth will out one way or another.
Christy- hope you are still noting the “tells” from Libby, and others in the courtroom. Love to read it, but maybe you want to compile those notes to use later. Can’t give ‘em too many clues!
Valley Girl @ 76
Don’t want to tell the tells ;-)
Christy/Emptywheel…
One last question for you. Were Libby’s lawyers purposefully being misleading in some of their questions to Granier with regards to Wilson’s wife/Valerie Plame…along with other things? It seemes like the lawyer had a sheet in front of him with the GJ testimony, and was twisting what he said in hopes for a “gotcha” moment.
Iranian Defense Minister speaks:
“Our armed forces are in a state of readiness at the highest levels and they are monitoring all enemy moves vigilantly,” Najjar was quoted as saying on the sidelines of an open session of the parliament.
“During the past 27 years, whatever action the enemies have taken against us has ended up in their own detriment,” he warned.
Grand Chessplayer vs. Chimp with cymbols.
-GSD
neurophius @ 68
Amazon told me Feb. 1
OT and ROFL! Steve Bell has a wonderful slam on Bush’s SOTU “energy policy” today.
zAmboni at 78 — In a word, yes.
Ed*ard Teller @ 30
I kind of feel free to read too much of my own preconceptions and prejudices into every little nuance of testimony. I’m not on the jury, and I would have been excused from that duty. My “preconceptions and prejudices” are based on facts analyzed by two of the best…Marcy and Christy..analysis which I think has been brilliant. They cite links for everything they KNOW…and speculation is labeled as such.
GSD: Funny name, that link @79
CHS-
I took the intent of Wells’ line of questioning to point out that if the Government’s witnesses can’t get their story straight at various points of the investigation, how can they use that testimony to convict Libby on lying/obstructing during that same investigation.
Also, the emphasis on the political infighting in the administration and the possible motives of Government witnesses and their institutions to play a blame game and cover their asses may appeal to the make-up of the jury.
And actually, he seems to be trying to confuse the jurors by appearing confused himself (getting names & dates wrong.) Either that or he is as bad as we all hope!
EW-
Per usual, great job and, most of all, a familiar voice to get us through this -Thnx!
You both are doing an amazing job, and with the liveblogging and the summary, we can all get a feel for how it’s going. Kudos to all of you, and in particular, Jane, for her foresight on putting this combination together.
Was there ever any question as to whether Greiner, who was friendly with both Amb. Wilson and Armitage, had discussed the possibility that he had given any improper info to Libby with either of them?
Is that why Armitage visited with him before going to the FBI? To put his mind to rest on the whole issue of CIA people being compromised?
RevDeb @ 67
Great managers devise simple solutions to complex problems. Libby and his lawyers are trying to achieve the opposite, and are bound to look like threadbare charlatans and mountebanks to any reasonable person.
For me Grenier’s testimony was a little weak. That he took so long to recall the V. Wilson tidbit was worrisome to me. Not that it wasn’t the truth of the matter, but I can see Team Libby bringing it up in final arguments.
Is that just me?
Christy, your evening summaries are helping enormously to clarify the day’s testimony. To be perfectly honest, I hadn’t a clue who Grenier and Schmall were, so I wasn’t sure of the significance of their remarks. Thanks to your wrap-up, a lot of what seemed hazy earlier today is better understood. Thanks for doing this. By the way, you looked lovely on the You Tube clip yesterday. In spite of what you say, being back in the courtroom, even if only as an observer, must agree with you.
Thanks, Christy, Marcie and all. Great work you’re doing.
Just so you guys know, I’ll be going home tomorrow afternoon. Can’t stay away from The Peanut too much longer. :) Marcy will be doing liveblogging all day tomorrow, though. And I’ll do a summary for everyone of the proceedings that I see for the half-day that I’m at court tomorrow as well. Just FYI.
No court on Friday.
One way to make some sense of what the defense is doing is along the lines that jd @59 said: purposely muddying the waters so as to hopelessly confuse the jury. While Fitzgerald is oh-so-careful to keep the case within the four corners of the indicments, the defense diffuses, clouds, confuses — with the ultimate intent of ending the trial with the equivalent of “If it doesn’t fit (because they’ve blown apart the four corners of the case/box it should fit in), you must acquit.”
Lindy @
83
Well said, but perhaps a misunderstanding of my #30. I was referring to some of the comments in the comment threads, not to the posts of the live bloggers.
grayslady at 90 — Such a sweet thing to say — thank you! :)
oregondave @ 93
Damn. He’s using the Chewbacca defense!
CHS @ 82
THX!
No, no. It’s “he can’t remember sh*t, you must acquit.”
Look here to see one reason FDL was a little slow at times yesterday and today:
http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=st…..ke&r=6
Amazing amount of traffic.
annx @
48
Well said — my sincere appreciation for all involved.
EvilDrPuma @ 81
Was I the only one struck by the irony of Bush flying off in AF1 to sell an energy conservation program? These people truly do not get it.
And for all you folks helping to put together this site, I want to say thanks again. Words cannot do justice to the fantastic job you are doing. I stand in awe.
oldtree @
71
Pardoning isn’t free: If Libby’s pardoned—beyond the possibility of civil war—there’s the simple fact that Libby can no longer incriminate himself. He can’t plead the fifth. In other words, he becomes a huge target in the Wilsons’ civil trial and for any number of curious Congressmen. I’m sure Leahy and Waxman would be very interested in hauling Libby in front of a committee for any number of reasons.
Team FDL. Thank you so much. Safe travels and good health to everyone.
Nor Cal John @ 100
And a third for that Thank You – the liveblogging is wonderful, and Christy your careful lucid analyses show the events in a deeper context.
Thanks to all of you for sharing your time and expertise – and thanks for taking so much time away from the Peanut.
EvilDrPuma @ 96
What the HELL is a six foot wookie doing on the planet Endor with a buch of three foot Ewoks?
It makes NO SENSE!
Therefore, you must aquit!
Great writeup, Christy. Thanks for everything all of you are doing.
James Robinson @
102
Libby: “Senator Leahy, I invoke the zeroth amendment protection against incrimination by me of the Vice President, because he’s really scary.”
Kristine @ 101
Yes, but I’m sure he brought his mountain bike along.
James Robinson @ 102
Lawyer-types
Is this accurate?
I was kinda thinking along these lines recently, but was not entirely certain…
A trial lawyering mentor used to frequently remind me that “a brick is not a wall.” These first witnesses are all bricks, and likely give no hint as to what the wall will look like, especially in the hands of an experienced “wall-builder” like Fitzgerald.
Two words, FDL: Thanks much!
tryggth @ 89
That may be, but he is one of many. There will be a parade of similar testimony in all likelihood. If so, the cumulative effect will be that one or two might have missed but 6, 7, 8 (or how many) and then Irving trying to claim that he heard it from the Press will be debunked by one after another after another from the Fourth Estate saying, “Hell no, he didn’t get it from me!”
A wall or a pyramid is built from the ground up. People like Irving only understand top down. The folks in the jury will relate to ground up. That’s my hope and bet.
tryggth @
89
I agree that he seemed weak on that. I almost got the feeling that he didn’t fess up in the beginning because he was hoping to stay out of the matter, but then when it became obvious that Libby was involved he felt he should “clarify” the record. I wasn’t in the courtroom, obviously, so maybe he seemed more sincere in person.
Eric at 110 — Absolutely right. And I’m SO going to use that analogy — because you can see that witness after witness is going add brick upon brick with this testimony.
I wonder who will play Libby in the movie?
Christy – I’ve been wondering how
The Peanut is doing without you. Be sure to thank her and your wonderful family for sharing you with us!
Will Pach be there for Marcy at beer-thirty?
bg @ 52
You are confusing Grenier (in the CIA)with Grossman (State Department). It was Grossman that Armitage gave a heads up to about his confession to the FBI about “inadvertantly” telling Novak about “Wilson’s wife”.
Grossman said that he had given Libby Plame’s identity as well…in conjunction with the INR (State Depts Intelligence and Research branch) report that Libby requested.
[Note: Armitage apparently neglected to tell the FBI about his earlier disclosure to Bob Woodward, though. Seems that he made a lot of “inadvertant” disclosures to media sources!]
ccmask @ 115
A Claymation weasel.
A quick question about the “four corners of the indictment”: is that a metaphor, or are there literally four items that constituite the “four corners”? (If yes, what are they? If no, where did the term come from?)
At the scene of an aircraft accident, one of the first things you do is document the “four corners”, i.e. locate the nose, tail, left wingtip, right wingtip … helps to establish the overall picture.
ccmask @ 115
What about John Malkovich (sp?). He is good at playing manipulative villians.
choochmac @ 120
Small wonder, considering his death threats to Robert Fisk.
ccmask @ 115
Himself. Although, he keeps forgeting his lines.
choochmac @ 120
That’s a good one. I think the Judy Miller one will be tougher though.
choochmac @ 120
I was thginking that it would be the great film comeback of PeeWee Herman.
ccmask @ 115
Dunno, but as far as look-alikes go, it’s got to be Kevin Costner playing Fitz.
Jon Stewart doing his recap of the SOTU.
Time to add some laughs to the day.
can’t help it -
who plays Judy Miller?
(sorry ccmask at 123 – I’m a slow typer.
and you are still amazing!)
I think maybe Sally Fields, Ms Gidget Boniva, could make her comeback as Judy Miller.
Libby is but a first comma….
Lily Tomlin in her younger days would have made a good Judy Miller.
ccmask @ 123
I don’t know. The actress who played on Desperate Housewives would work for me. Don’t know her character name, but she played the sister of the next door neighbor who was killed. Looks a lot like Judy to me. And definitely can play a *itch. (Yes, I watch that show sometimes. A total guilty pleasure.)
kirk murphy @ 127
John Lithgow.
ccmask @ 123
I was thinking that Bebe Neurith (Lilith on Frasier) has just the right mix of NY self-assuredness and dominatrix to fit the role.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001564/
Or maybe Sandra Bernhard ;-)
Ed*ard Teller @ 94
Yes, I know, Ed*ard. That was in address to those concerns.
EvilDrPuma @ 132
Okay – that one made me spew !
EvilDrPuma @ 132
707!
AirportCat @ 119
IANAL, but my understanding is that, yes, it’s a metaphor.
EvilDrPuma @ 132
ooh! Brutal!
cinnamonape:Or maybe Sandra Bernhard :
I was thinking of the very same person! lol
ccmask @ 123
Catherine O’Hara could play Judy.
If not John Lithgow, then Meryl Streep as Dame Judy. Though Robin Williams in drag a al Mrs. Doubtfire could do Judy justice.
I was hoping Luis Black would audition for Cheney.
Debra Winger could do Judy.
kirk murphy -
Didn’t know about that. I’ll have to look it up (the Fisk thing).
For Rove…
does Acinetobacter have a SAG card?
ccmask @ 142
The late Burgess Meredith was the original Penguin, but Danny Divito did a good job as the Penguin. Same makeup will do for Cheney.
Sorry for the hijack Christy :(
ccmask @
115
Well, Mel Gibson would be great in the Libby role when he comes unhinged,
I wouldn’t worry about the cheap memory points that the defense has raised. (I agree with the commenter who suspects that the inconsistencies arose from early hunker down and stay out of it attitudes.)
To me, the convincing nuggets are “first time I ever got a call from Libby” and the “first time I was ever pulled out of a meeting with Tenet” stuff. No matter what exactly was said when, those facts are believable as things you would remember, and those actions communicate the essential point: Libby was giving special attention to Wilson.
As the weight of the story grows, detail after detail, it will not be plausible that all the witnesses had poor memories and accidentally, together, told a damning story about Libby.
If Malkovich is Libby, Glenn Close has to be Judy, just for the implicit reference to Dangerous Liaisons.
I think you need to decide first – tragedy, history or comedy….. then the rest might prove to be easy.
For those who don’t get Stewart, Jon is showing that the Fox poll showed that Bush scored an 85% on his sotus. bbbwwaaahhhhh
jwp @ 149
I agree that I shouldn’t get too caught up in the small stuff. Besides I have faith in Fitz – and a certain red-haired former atty who will tell me how he is doing it!
I agree jwp. No matter how confusing these memories get those things will stand out.
Where were you on 9/11 is a lot easier that where were you on 9/12.
Sorry, jumping in late. On the last post, several people mentioned that it would be great to have a side bar with a guide to FDL phrases (Fitz, epu. *g* etc). Sounds great!
Maybe also at the top (or side) – or in the “about us” /”contact us” in a box before the names, there could have a notice on “If yu like our coverage, please consider making a donation to FDL” and adding a snail mail and web address. Just a thought.
A great piece of work, Christy. Thank you, and thanks to Marcy. I wasted too much time today reading Marcy’s live blogging when I should’ve been working on my cases. The blog is addictive again.
New post from emptywheel
thenexthurrah
Jon S. asking Scotty about Libby being “not involved”
Late Night is up, wherein TRex runs a victory lap for Spocko.
ccmask @ 142
gerald mcraney (deadwood)
Christy–
Thanks again for all the hard work you’ve been doing, and thank the peanut as well–she sounds like a fabulous kid.
It occured to me tonight that if I was a juror dealing with all the FUD Team Libby has been and will be tossing into the air, something along the lines of a Fitz-generated timeline that shows exactly when different witnesses told Libby that Valerie was CIA and when he talked to other witnesses about her, as well as when he says he learned about it, might be very useful in clarifying things.
When would something like that be most useful? Is it something that could be done in closing arguments?
*imagines an 8-foot long timeline chart sitting in front of jurors as they listen to Team Libby’s closing arguments*
*waves to the nice Team Libby underling*
Great job for sure, FDL!
Thanks for doing what the old msm is now too impotent to do, thanks to corporate media.
Ed*ard Teller @
54
Yuck! Isn’t there a Becket play that’s staged something like this? People in jars of oh-just-nevermind, reciting obsessively fraught, interlocking monologues at each other?
hackworth @
17
Hackworth, I know that recently the federal rules about evidence were changed to deal better with email. But, the destruction of evidence you’re implying might have occured (Coverup? By “Deadeye” Dick Cheney? Say it ain’t so!) would have probably happened before the new regs went into effect.
I wrote a long post last month about the new rules, in the context of the ongoing Microsoft anti-trust action in Idaho- check it out if you’re interested.
The upshot is- if you’re destroying documents/emails because you’re doing something illegal, and you want to make sure that people who sue you can’t discover evidence documenting your knowlege, the court will punish you anyway and assume that the destroyed emails show exactly what your opponent says they would show.
Note- I’m not at all sure if the same rules apply exactly the same way in a federal criminal matter that they would apply in an anti-trust case. If anyone knows different, please let me know.
Great job to all–really compelling, thorough coverage.
Now why are people buying less newspapers?
Kristine wondered:
No. Not only that, but I heard on the radio that it was about a 20 minute flight.
Tithonia @
128
Good choice! Especially since there’s no way of having Jane Greer (Out of the Past) do it.
In this scenario, the comment might make sense.
Just wanted to say thanks for the kick ass summary. I can’t keep up with the liveblogging but this is great. Absolutely no reason to read the newspaper. Thanks!!!
Katrina, The Editor of The Nation and David Corn’s boss? She is one of the good one’s right?
Katrina vanden Heuvel is definitely one of the good ones.
what’s wrong with bringing up the Niger forgeries? At least we will finally get some accounting for the fact that the war was launched under false pretenses. And we will have that information on the record. That’s not something we have had before.
oregondave @ 64
Corn’s site suffered spam attacks starting at the same time the book he and Isakoff co-authored was published (HUBRIS). You might reach him at The Nation or ask the FDL liveblogger to mention it when they see him in the media room. Pach was sitting next to Corn.
What did you think of Corn’s post?
Davidcorn.com
The Nation
– GOD BLESS AND KEEP JANE ON THE BETTER AND WELL SIDE OF HER HARD ROAD. // — MANY WORTHWHILE EFFORTS ARE BEING BROUGHT TO THE FRONT HERE. THANKS ALL AROUND. THIS ON LIBBY IS THE BEGINNING OF A VERY BIG STORY, SIMILAR TO THE NIXON TAKE DOWN. THE FIREDOGLAKE FAMILY WILL HAVE TO MUSTER AGAIN AND AGAIN. THIS WILL REQUIRE FUNDS. I AGREE IT SHOULD BE SET UP NOW, TOWARD FUTURE EFFORTS THAT WILL COST AS MUCH OR MORE GOING FOREWARD. PLEASE FACTOR THAT IN. LIBBY IS THE TIP OF A VERY BIG SLOW MOVING ICE SHEET, THAT WILL STRAND THEM ALL WITHOUT CLOTHES, AND MELT UNDER THEIR HAIRLESS ASSES, FAR, FAR FROM ALL LAND MASSES.
DELBERT MATHANEY @ 174
I agree 100%, Grandpa Delbert, and won’t it be fun to watch. More popcorn?
Especially like the bit about the ice sheet melting under their hairless asses, too. Lovely picture.
Hurray for Jane!
cleter @ 118
Most of the characters will be clamation weasels, Cheney will be a burly clamation walrus, and the jury, 12 chattering chipmunks.
I actually almost wish Bush would pardon Libby, because it would guarantee that he’d never see the north side of a 30% approval rating ever again. The REPUBLICAN members of Congress would start impeachment proceedings against him.
Judy Davis MUST play Judy Miller – end of discussion
Okay, finally started a “decoder” post on my site so that newbies can figure out some of the more cryptic shorthand used on the fly.
If there was something I missed, let me know and I’ll add it. Might have to post a link at the top of my page for future use, so that folks can get to it regardless of new blog content or length of the trial.
Also added links to a few of my favorite resources/reference materials for the Plame Affair. I figure as many times as I’ve needed to refer to them, they might be helpful to the rest of the folks following along.
p.s. if Marcy checks in, tell her she’s got troll droppings. Quite the jerk – somebody who took the time to read her live blogging but didn’t like what they saw and then whined about it. Moron needs to get a life. Wonder what the IP records show…
James Robinson >
He scores !!!
“…Ambition must be made to counteract ambition…” – FEDERALIST No. 51
Wow, this is even better than I imagined it. Great job fdl!
Marcy`s instant analysis and comment during live-blogging and Christy`s thoughtful summary at the end of the day – you guys complement each other perfectly! And many thanks goes out to everyone working behind the scenes to make all this possible.
I am so happy I helped get this project started, small as my contribution may have been. Who knew spending 50 dollars would feel this good?
(And as someone with a degree in language planning, let me take this opportunity to give a shout-out to Team Fitz for writing their legal documents in beautiful and well-crafted Plain English. Much appreciated!)
I think it was John Stewart on the Daily Show tonight who commented that the guilt/innocence of Libby may not be as important as what all this is dredging up. Anyone following the trial is forced to learn just how paranoid and vengeful this administration could be, with a special focus on Dick Cheney, aka Svengali of The Twisted Heart — and probably also of the damaged brain, a not-so-uncommon result of heart surgery.
I would like to add my thanks to the gracious folks here at FDL for their great reports.
I stumbled upon this site today in my search for some info on the trial and what a delight it has been to find people who are as interested in the details as I am.
But I can see that you folks have been interested for a long time, so I’m gonna have to do some late-night cramming to understand what some of you are talking about.
There is one thing, however, that I would like to say. I get the impression that many of you think that a juror goes in thinking that the defendant is guilty. That it’s the defendant’s lawyer’s job to prove his client’s innocence.
Have any of you guys ever served on a jury? In a criminal proceeding? It’s just not like that. You have a man’s life in your hands. Not the judge. Not the prosecutor. Not the witnesses. And not the defendant’s lawyer. YOU. You will determine what happens to this man.
Suddenly it becomes painfully clear what innocent until proven guilty means.
And the prosecutor had d*mned well better give me proof beyond doubt that the man is guilty.
So I have to say that starting out with three witnesses with material memory issues would piss me off. Particularly when memory IS the issue.
The defendant claims his memory was faulty. It’s the basis of his innocence. As a juror, I accept that as true. THAT’S where we start.
It’s the prosecutor’s job to show otherwise. And so far we have three witnesses who can’t remember sh*t, even though they had access to their notes when questioned. The defendant didn’t have access to his notes when he was questioned.
I would truly be pissed.
Just saying.
Mercedes
To a certain extent you are correct,, but as commented above, this case is being built brick by brick, Also, both the prosecution and the defence are teams above the calivre seen in most peoples experiences of garden variety crimes against persons and property.
So, a skilled argument will shoot down memory arguments, I think.
Also, consider the latency factor at deliberation. If you had an eyewitness who could say
“I clearly saw the defendant point and shoot the gun at the victim before being wrestled to the floor” well yess , by all means lead off with him.
But if you are building a circumstantial thread of deceit, this strategy might well be best.
Fitz has a pretty damn good track record.
Oh,
and as I reacall one of Scooter’s strengths was a steel trap memory.
You seem to be watching a different trial.
There has never been an issue, or a contention that Libby was interested in Wilsons trip because Wilson claimed Cheney sent him. Noone
disputes that so the testimony you refer to is meaningless.
The contention is was Libby deeply interested in Joe Wilsons wife? Did he want the wife outed. Was it his job to out a covert agent.
Did he ask grenier if they would say the wife sent him, etc.
Every witness testified the wife, if mentioned was barely an issue and it wasn’t clear what her role was.
In addition, every witness memore got BETTER the longer time went by and the more they talked to the FBI and the prosecutors…go figure.
Clearly Joe Wilsons trip was completely worthless as a piece of intelligence data. If you knew anything about government, or intelligence, you would see what happened was the State Department agreed with the CIA to let Wilson go on the trip, but when he got in country, the Ambassador (Who is top dog) cut his nuts off and told him he couldn’t talk to anyone important.
That’s was a FU back to the CIA.
Christy/Marcy: If Fitzgerald has been removed from his position as U.S. Attorney, could that not be a move to squash the investigation? When Comey announced Fitzgerald’s appointment he said there would be no separate budget for the special counsel. If they place a loyal Bushbot in as U.S. Attorney in Chicago, will Fitzgerald be able to get the resources he needs, AND, if he has lost his position there – is he getting paid anything at all since there was not a separate budget for special counsel? Without the US Attorney title to get the resources, material and labor, does this effectively hobble any attempt to continue this investigation? Link:
http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2003/12/doj123003.html
Pat @ 187
huh?
ummm
no, Joe’s trip was an unqualified success and vital information as far as the cia was concerned, he reinforced the data that they had, there was no uranium buy, none, and saddam’s “wmd program” no longer existed.
wilson saw everyone he needed to see to find what he needed to find out, what the vice president himself asked the cia to find out.
the big mistake the vice president made was he was too cryptic, he knew there was no wmd program but instead of saying “gind me something to justify our depraved desire for war in Iraq”, he tried to be a little cryotic saying “see what you can find out about a uranium buy”
the cia already knew there was none, but hey, the vice president asked for it so they provided exactly what the vp asked for
the ambasador found information that made clear any data concerning uranium buys were bogus
the administration knew these claims were bogus, the cia did it’s best to get the claims out of the sotu address, the president put it in there anyway
joe Wilson saw the administration was about to abuse the military forces of the united states of America, and Joe Wilson put his life, his repubtation, his security at risk to raise the alarm against the kabal.
and HERE we are today
GSD @
37
I would love to know what the hell Sandy Berger was thinking. But he did not out an agent.
Sounds like the perfect lawyer to defend a republican, since that is their inherent style
FITZ!!
Can we pretend it’s all about Fitzgerald for the time being?
Great work. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
“Margin notes on the briefing slip for 6/14/03 (a Saturday briefing of Libby at his home): Libby complained about a story in the press about CIA analysts feeling bullied about his and VP Cheney’s visits to the CIA.”
Anyone know which story that might be?
Team Libby seems to have abandoned any attempt at an actual defense and dedicated itself to trashing the Bush Administration, Rove in partucular, and possibly the OVP itself. The obvious inference is that the Bushies refused to give Libby something he requested (e.g., a pre-trial pardon), he threatened retribution unless they came across, they maintained their refusal, and now the day (okay — the month and a half) of retribution is at hand.
Rich
Valley Girl @
76
I don’t know; if Libby has a lot of “tells”, imagine all the contortions he’d go through trying not to make them during stressful moments… the effort involved in supressing one “tell” might trigger another and poor Scooter might be in low-level Brownian motion for hours on end…