
It's the sound of Wingnuts' heads exploding! It sounds like…victory. For you see, the Spocko vs. KSFO Snuff Radio story has made it all the way to USA Today, and for once the Big Media seems to have gotten it right.
Some advertisers, including Bank of America and MasterCard, have deserted KSFO since an anonymous media critic identifying himself online as Spocko began posting recordings of the station's "Hot Talk" hosts. Spocko and some of his readers have been e-mailing the audio to KSFO advertisers since 2005, asking the companies whether they want to be associated with the controversial rhetoric.
The First Amendment flap was debated Sunday on CNN's Reliable Sources. Dan Riehl, a blogger critical of Spocko, said some of the radio hosts' comments "were blown out of proportion or misrepresented" in the complaints to sponsors.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. "Misrepresented" those poor, poor victimized and persecuted six-figure swill merchants at KSFO. Fortunately, the man debating Dancin' Dan Riehl was none other than Mighty Mike Stark!
Mike Stark, another blogger and a Spocko ally, said: "The way to fight free speech that you disagree with is to engage in more free speech. And that's exactly what Spocko did."
Touché!! Suck it, Riehl! You know if this was the other way around, Riehl would be squawking like a wet hen that Disney/ABC was trying to silence him and trample upon his God-given right as an American Asshole to make a fool of himself in public. But while we're introducing shoes to other feet to see how they feel, let's look at what Dan Riehl had to say about the Dixie Chicks controversy:
Aww … those bad people aren't buying our records. And now the evil Rethuglicans have influenced the media preventing us from running our bash Bush / Republicans ad right before an election.
I can't recall ever seeing anyone so desperate to try and kick start their career.
"It's a sad commentary about the level of fear in our society that a movie about a group of courageous entertainers who were blacklisted for exercising their right of free speech is now itself being blacklisted by corporate America," Harvey Weinstein said in a statement. "The idea that anyone should be penalized for criticizing the president is profoundly un-American."
Shudder, the liberal elitist is questioning our patriotism. I'm outraged!!
lol Actually, like 99.9% of the rest America, I don't even care what the idiots say or think, let alone sing. That they think they are entitled to force themselves on the public is the real joke. It's a free world and the free world has told the Dixie Twits to take a hike. They should take along their instruments and serenade trees, or something. It seems a captive audience is the only way they can get one these days – and that's no one's fault but their own.
Well, Danny, there's a very healthy chunk of the population who think that for Melanie Morgan and Lee Rodgers to think that they're "entitled to force themselves on the public" is the "real joke" here. It's the marketplace of ideas, comrade! And the free world has told KSFO to take a hike. Ipso facto. Quod erat demonstrandum. Legitimate businesses don't want any part of KSFO's brand of bloodthirsty extremism.
MasterCard and the state-run Michigan Economic Development Corp. say they advertised on KSFO talk shows last year but won't place new ads. "It's hard to listen to those clips and not be offended," says Mike Shore, spokesman for the Michigan agency.
Bank of America says it withdrew ads last spring. The California chapter of the American Automobile Association says it pulled an insurance ad from Sussman's show in September.
Aheh. This is where I dance around the room hooting, "WE WON! WE WON!!"
Yes, in spite of their frantic attempts to spin and distance themselves from their intemperate remarks, to squelch opposition with bogus legal threats, and to mount a counter campaign against all of Lefty Blogistan, all KSFO and Disney have succeeded in doing is losing more advertisers, making asses of themselves, and making Spocko and Mike Stark hugely famous. Hooray!
KSFO claimed on its website that it is the victim of "an anonymous Internet smear campaign." The station canceled three hours of regular programs Jan. 12 and put the talk hosts on the air to explain their remarks.
During that broadcast, Morgan said ABC had reissued guidelines about "violent" commentary. "We don't believe we have crossed a single line," she said. "If you're waiting for an apology, you'll be waiting a long time," Rodgers said. When Stark called in, Rodgers called him a creep.
Sussman repeated an apology for his Obama remark and said he sometimes went over the line in talking 20 hours a week. Rodgers and other hosts complained that liberals are ganging up to threaten their jobs. "I will not be silenced by the left," Rodgers said.
I think that it's terribly important to mention that Rodgers was hanging up on Mike Stark when he bellowed his defiance about how he refuses to be silenced. Way to lose an argument, dickhead. I think my home Ironi-Meter™ actually threw a rod when that happened.
"Yes, this is a freedom of speech issue, and this individual is entitled to say what he wants to," Morgan told the San Francisco Chronicle. "But he's trying to take away my livelihood, and I'm not trying to take away his."
Oh, boo-freakin'-hoo, Melanie. Just because you can't go all Rwanda Massacre on the radio doesn't mean that you can't keep writing your filthy, slanderous, completley fact-free hit-pieces, er, "biographies" of prominent lefties. Didn't I just hear that you're following up your Cindy Sheehan "bio" with a book on Hillary or something? I'm sure the Wingnut Welfare system will kick in any minute. No one's about to make you eat ramen noodles or color your own hair. If you were poor, you might turn into a liberal. And we can't have that.
Seriously, though. No one wants to take you off the air. It's like I said the other night. We need you.
Now, I'm not saying that hate speech should be taken off the air. I think it's an important object lesson that liberals can point at as a warning to our children. ("Now, be good in school and pay attention, Junior. You don't want to turn out an ill-informed, illogical, incoherent, screeching hate-monger like Melanie Morgan. Your advertisers will abandon you and no one will ever love you because your hate has made you into a scorched, empty husk of a person…")
Yes, I would call the campaign against KSFO an unqualified success. It has demonstrated that citizen action can actually make a difference. It has shown that when massive corporations go up against the organized left, they're typically clumsy, ham-handed, and clueless, just like KSFO's rhetoric.
I think Mike Stark said it best on the TeeVee, Sunday:
"I think Disney learned a lesson," Stark says. "Strong-arm tactics on the blogosphere just don't work."
Related posts:
- Birthers, Part Deux: Republicans Divided
- Stark on the Hill: Will Pete King Denounce Rush Limbaugh?
- Off-year elections, small sound, little fury, signifying not much
- Citizen Whip Effort Welcomes Mike Stark: Our Man on the Hill
- Number of Advertisers to Dump Glenn Beck Hits 33
happy zed and go TRex!
and may the deities of derm always smile upon your scaly countenance…
Hello Trex and kirk! Nice to be at the Lake at the same time as the two of yez.
TRex!
and the pagans of path cast tedious and unremarkable biopsy results
Hi Swordswoman and neurophius – what fun!
There’s no way I got the zero, but I’ll post anyway!
“He’sying to take away my livelihood.” What, is Spocko going to the Blackjack tables and insisting that the stupid twat actually raise her kids? Oh, what a bastard!
As usual, TRex, another one knocked over the fence!
Raoul
Scotty McClellan on Stewart.
Stewart showing the clip about Scotty saying that Libby wasn’t involved. Scotty saying that he was assured that they weren’t involved.
Scott says he thinks he is the only one that didn’t hire a lawyer.
Stewart:Is the vp evil?
Scott: He is a good man and an experienced person.
The blogosphere is a hydra. Cut off one head, it grows three more.
There’s a term for this: The
DixieMelanie Victim.Great Post TREx- Absolutely key to even todays events. THe media (Miller, Rush, Morgan et al) are seriously responsible for alot of the mess we are in today. And amazing couple of days at the Lake.
And – EPU’d. Someone earlier to night suggested that a sidebar(button) be added with some of the FDL terms (fitz, zero, epu, “g” etc.). Great idea.
Also how about another notice (maybe on the side, or on top, or in “about us”) saying in essence “if you like our coverage, and want to help, please donate to us at….
Just a thought.
AirportCat @ 11
We are Legion.
TRex- thanks for another great post.
I continue to be impressed by the range of research and expertise that you bring to your Late Nite commentary.
You really are “a man for all treasons”.
xxoo
Valley Girl @
15
I got your email, babe. This is potentially pretty explosive stuff. I’ll keep you posted about where it goes from here.
TRex @
14
–PeeWee Herman, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Shorter TRex on what we frequently get to say to long-time wingnuts these days:
Way to lose an argument, dickhead.
Watching them get desparate and holding onto their heads with smoke coming out of their ears is, like, like – well – quoting Dan Reihl here,
That they think they are entitled to force themselves on the public is the real joke.
But we have to fight harder and harder. Don’t forget that, right,
Scooter, uh, Dan….TRex- I know that my email subject was “old news”, (note the dates) but it did have a certain contemporary ring to it. Keep me posted. And don’t get in any light aircraft.
Valley Girl @ 19
Ten-four. My flight to Washington next week is on a perfectly normal sized passenger liner.
The latest Dixie Chicks album was certified double platinum and has recieved a boatload of Grammy nominations. Take that!
TRex- looking forward to your DC adventures. Things are slow tonight, so far. Everyone must be burned out from hard reading today!
Mornin’. Seven new posts? Have mercy.
Today’s surgery will be on a baby that weighs about 1.6 pounds.
Gotta run.
Hey TRex, glad youre back in rare form tonight. I hope the results of the tests are good news. Did you get my email about the greenlight?
The first single, “Not Ready To Make Nice”, made #36 on the country chart. I.e. there was some airplay, but if they had properly grovelled to country radio they could have had more.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 24
I did. Very exciting!
TRex @ 26
It’s ok to share the news here if you want to.
Oh, I think you should be the one to tell the kids. You did all the heavy lifting on this one.
Y’know, the cops take away the livelihoods of drug pushers and thieves too.
Poow Mewanie don’t like it when she can’t cut someone off in mid-sentence. Boo fucking hoo.
Hey T-Rex great post and props to Spocko amd Mike Stark. Likewise a huge good on ya to The Libby Trial Watch team, great coverage, only it’s killing my productivity because I start out 9 hours behind EST (actually 15 ahead, but it works like nine behind if you ignore the date). I feel like eg facing a zillion posts when I wake up.
egregious @
23
It’s going to take 10,000 egregiouses out there ten years, saving hundreds of thousands of babies and kids in places like Russia, Bolivia, Bangladesh and Cameroons to come a fraction toward restoring the image of Americans George W Bush has created, and for which that evil man bears 100% of the responsibility.
TRex @ 28
Allrighty then…
I can now officially announce that I have been asked by the YearlyKos organizers to oversee podcasting and video blogging for the 2007 YKos Convention. As part of that effort, I in turn asked TRex to become host of a YKos Update podcast which will debut in the near future and will provide periodic updates about the planning for the convention in Chicago this August.
Also, TRex will be the Voice of Ykos this year and will do video blogging from the convention site during the convention. I’m also going to have FDL’s own Nate involved doing a large chunk of the video blogging and we are looking for volunteer video folks and podcasters to help out with other parts of the convention too. If you can help out with any of this contact me at finifinito AT gmail DOT com.
I’m as giddy as a little girrrrrrlll. This is gonna be fun!
But our sweet eg is off to a great start.
Nice job TRex
And while the idea of responding to the lunatic musings of the frightwingers seems counter-productive in that it does spread their bloodthirsty rantings onto a greater number of people, to let that extreme, radical rhetoric go unchallenged is to give it a legitimacy it does NOT deserve
Besides, it’s so much fun riling up the elitist, ivory-tower moral-relativists like Morgan and the rest of her D-List Shtick Crew, and if well-deserved public mockery and laughter are the worst thing they ever have to deal with, then Morgan and crew have led charmed lives indeed
As you guys can probably guess, I am greeting this development with a mixture of great excitement and deep dread. We’ll see how it goes.
Heading home, my loves. Check back in a bit.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 31
Congratulations, Fini!
and congrats to TRex – what a splendidly saurian voice for DKos.
Go firepups!
The mean-spirited people at KSFO can say whatever they want, as can ANY of us. And if the advertisers don’t want to be associated with hate speech, they can spend their money elsewhere. What’s so hard to understand?
This BS about Spocko and Stark threatening the jobs of these people is just stupid. Their own actions are threatening their jobs.
Hate is just less popular than it used to be…
TRex @ 35
Yeah but its the great excitement part that will lead to some hilarious on camera moments I’m sure. This is gonna be very cool.
kirk murphy @ 36
Thanks! Its quite an honor really, I’m excited beyond reason!
TRex @
14
I am Spartacus!
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 38
Seems like a great reason to me!
And you deserve the honor: cream rises.
Maybe it’s not over, though. I’m wondering if someone should make a call to Child Protective Services about Lee Rodgers calling Barack Obama a “halfrican” on-air, considering he has mixed race kids, as Melanie pointed out on the air in her “he can’t be racist” defense of her co-nut. Are his own children subjected to those slurs at home?
Just sayin’
Serena in final
Yay Serena!
TRex- I was just trying to do some follow-up research about your Acinteto bacteria post the other eve,
I don’t know if you found this link, but it has some added info: http://www.acinetobacter.org/
~~Early this year an outbreak of MDR Acinetobacter Baumannii swept over Arizona, 236 cases in just two months. It was reported by the state disease monitoring systems, but ignored on the national level.~~~
~~An ICU nurse at Bethesda Naval in Washington DC leaves work feeling under the weather. Within 24 hours she is in a community hospital, intubated, with Acinetobacter Baumannii. It was determined that the bacteria were acquired from a patient at work. She succumbed to the infection quickly and with no fan fare. The story went silent.~~~
~~~This outbreak that is spreading nation wide is largely due to the war in Iraq, and because of a legal technicality in reporting, the military and CDC will not discuss it publicly.~~~
I don’t know when the http://www.acinetobacter.org/ site was put up. And, in googling, I can’t find anything to confirm or deny that “the CDC will not discuss it publicly”. Sounds to me like phoning up the CDC, as an investigative journalist, is right up your alley, so to speak. I’m sure you have more connections there than I do, but let me know if I can help. xxoo
Publicus @
37
must be why Glen Blech just got promoted, eh? it will be a hard fight…
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 38
WOW! That is great news, fini! What a coup!
Thank you both VG and Kirk, this news has really perked me up. I’m having a good week, a client paid up what she owed me for a while, the Colts went to the Super Bowl and then this. I’m psyched for 2007’s chances!
***!!!Rawrr!!!*** ***!Chomp! !Chomp! !Chomp!***
so.
Ed*ard Teller @
31
Yet, according to the philosophy of some Jewish scholars, one egregious can save the world, many times over.
I’m sure he has.
The Dixie Chicks song “Not Ready to make nice” was the number one downloaded tune from iTunes. The CD was way up the charts prior to it’s release. Their movie is being played in independent theaters across the country.
Their concert here in Phoenix was sold out months ahead of the event. Ya I have a feeling it is same old faux type spin, actually local country radio stations refused to advertise their concerts.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs…..;pid=88109
FDL is such an amazing place.
TRex, I’m trying to arrange coming to YKos. Meeting you would be The Bomb.
The coverage of the Libby trial is a watershed somehow: for the internet, for journalism, for the Lake, for democracy. Marcy is not making a transcript exactly, but it’s damn close. You feel as though you are there. They can’t hide. It’s all out there. Hey there, Jefferson, Adams, Madison et al. Look how it ended up. Nice plan, guys.
fini- hadn’t thought that I would go to YKos, but your invite for help sure sounds like it would be fun, and give me something to do that I might be able to do. I just checked out the timing (which I had not before) and add this link for anyone else who needs more info. This page has dates. Other links you can follow give more. http://www.yearlykosconvention.org/details
katymine @ 50
This is typical of the new digital music business that folks in the radio and music biz have failed to realize. Radio stations controlling the musical taste and touring schedules of musicians in their geographical area are a thing of the past.
An artist that has strong online sales of downloads knows where to tour more specifically now than ever before. They can schedule tour dates in cities where they know they have a customer base regardless of whether their local radio station will support the show or not.
“Shudder, the liberal elitist is questioning our patriotism. I’m outraged!!
lol Actually, like 99.9% of the rest America, I don’t even care what the idiots say or think, let alone sing. That they think they are entitled to force themselves on the public is the real joke. It’s a free world and the free world has told the Dixie Twits to take a hike. They should take along their instruments and serenade trees, or something. It seems a captive audience is the only way they can get one these days – and that’s no one’s fault but their own.”
–Reihl
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The Chicks’ latest CD, Taking the Long Way, has been certified double platinum in the U.S. by the RIAA. It is also triple platinum in Canada, double platinum in Australia, platinum in New Zealand and gold in the U.K. and Ireland. Of all albums released in 2006, Taking the Long Way was the 6th biggest selling disc last year in the U.S. Additionally, “Not Ready to Make Nice” has now been certified a Gold digital single. Thanks to all the fans around the world for your amazing support!
http://dixiechicks.com/
Suck it, Riehl!
Could the guy be more full of it? I mean, could he possibly be more full of it?
Valley Girl @ 52
You have GOT to be there VG. This year’s YKos is already destined to be written about for decades. This is going to be the convention that seals the Netroots establishment in the political order of things. You have to be a part of this, come and play with us!
oh, my, podcasting at YKos! No matter how back-in-the-past I try to remain, there’s Fini and TRex, dragging us into the future. This will be an exciting year for YK2.0. I won’t miss it.
Kitt @ 54
Actually, like 99.9% of the rest of America, I don’t even care what the idiot says or thinks, let alone writes. That he thinks he is entitled to force himself on the public is the real joke. It’s a free world and the free world has told Dan Riehl to take a hike. He should take along his laptop and blog over at Little Green Footballs, or something. It seems a Kool-Aid drinking Neanderthal audience is the only way he can get one these days – and that’s no one’s fault but his own.
I’ll be there finifini.
TeddySanFran @ 56
[yanking and pulling on Teddy’s Old School chain] GRRRRRHUH! [grunt] [moan] I’m gonna pull you into the future yet dude!
If I’m not mistaken, for those taking a taxi to the hotel, I think the smaller airport (not O’Hare) is closer.
Wow, TRex, wow. Words fail me when I try to describe how powerful your writing is. Repeatedly. Wow.
Fini, that is such awesomely good news. I can’t wait to see, and hear, the fruits of your labors.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 55
Okay fini, I will give it serious thought. I am more of a geek than a politico, and wasn’t sure I would have anything to contribute. But, I’ve just taught myself how to rip videos from YouTube, convert them into .wmv format, rip audio from my CDs, and edit both using MS movie maker. I just didn’t want to go without feeling that I could make a solid contribution. But, I am teachable and learnable. The timing is good, too.
I did a mapquest :))
Yea…. podcasting… with my new 30G iPod… wooohoo….. Santa was nice this year….
Valley Girl…. thanks for pointing out the Acinetobacter info in AZ. Rather astounding that as a healthcare professional, I had NEVER heard of this outbreak! Sent the info to our early morning talk show host on Phoenix AAR who is a Physician… should be interesting to hear his take on this…. will keep you posted AND provide links to their audio.
TRex: YGM
I’m waiting for Rodgers, who really is a loose cannon, to challenge someone to a fistfight or a duel with pistols.
It’s only a matter of time until both he and Morgan completely melt down on the air. It’s up to us to keep turning the screws until those guys just blow off the hinges.
Valley Girl @ 62
There will be geeks aplenty to help with technical stuff, dont worry about that end. Where you could help is finding those human stories from the convention attendees that ought to have attention directed to them for the audience online that cant be there in person. You’re a compassionate and curious person, thats what I need in a good story finder. Interested?
Re: Dixie Chicks
Just listening to someone at a local music festival talking about the first US show they gave after the remarks about Bush in London. Kept reiterating that the pushback was corporate. The promoters had set aside a special area for protesters, fifty media people there, six protesters and 20,000 paid ticketholders inside listening to the Chicks, and all the attention was on the protesters….
That sort of jives with all the CD-burning protests sponsored and organized by Clear Channel.
EvilDrPuma @ 57
Hear, hear!!
SteveAudio @ 65
Interesting you should show up tonight Steve, I was gonna email you about this tomorrow. You planning on going to YKos Chicago, August 2-5?
Publicus @ 37
As I’m fond of saying, the First Amendment guarantees freedom from censorship, not freedom from consequences. These bozos have a right to say whatever they want, but they don’t have a right to advertisers’ money. (Gotta love their “faith in the free market.”)
New Fox Show – Trying to up their IQ Level
Valley Girl,
I saw that same acinobacter.org site the other day, the day of TRex’s post. Very interesting stuff.
Yay Fini and TRex, what good news!
katymine @ 72
If you are smarter than a fifth grader, chances are you aren’t watching Fox.
Awesome YKos news, Fini and TRex!
My understanding of things is that Spocko wasn’t threatening any kind of action toward the advertisers or the station itself. He didn’t say to the advertisers, “Do what I want or my people and I will do something to your business.” He sent the advertisers audio clips of the actual show (links to the clips, actually. They were hosted on his site). The word boycott keeps getting tossed around, but I don’t think he ever suggested that.
The Dixie Chicks really were blacklisted, however. Their songs were barred from being played on the radio. The massive corporation Clear Channel organized anti-Dixie Chicks rallies at which their recordings were destroyed. That sort of thing is quite chilling and not really analogous to what Spocko did. The power of a massive corporation with huge mass media holdings was turned against three recording artists.
Sending audio clips to advertisers doesn’t really compare. Weeks of on air hate-fest by Clear Channel and fake rallies to destroy your work… that’s what trying to take one’s livelihood looks like.
Pelosi, Dingell, and Dingell’s GM-executive wife make peace at the DeeCee Auto Show.
Can firepups who may no longer (ahem) post to DKos still come to play at YKos?
(and will the bouncy orange thingies stay home?)
Suzanne @ 60
Oh, honey, you are so sweet to me.
Agreed, stop by Spockosbrain.com and see eef he has the newest advertiser list up. Eef joo write to an advertiser I can put jour letter up on my leetle blog. Por favor, remember that he has a paypal link up as well, and could use any tiny donation joo may weesh to send hees way.
Or post about Spocko on jour own blogs, and send me a link so I can write about what joo post as well.
gatobloggerro “at” yahoo “dot”com.
Vamanos!
katymine @
72
Considering their audience, this is ambitious.
Map of Dixie Chicks Concert Tour
So they are touring the “blue states” and Canada… good those nuts do not deserve to see them!
enceph. Crap like that is why i despise Clear Channel. I make a point not to listen to any of their stations. Much less that blacklisting of the Dixie Chicks for simply speaking their minds. I thought we were done with blacklisting before i was born. I really dont’ like the idea of a new McCarthy Era. I really don’t.
Particularly as a semi professional musical technician in training. But even as just a casual musician, sh*t like that makes me mad.
aliasofwestgate @ 83
It made me pretty goddamn mad, too. But now that it’s over and the Chicks have returned triumphant, it makes a wonderful way to remind right wingers how hypocritical they’re being.
Yeah, TRex! Their clear victory over all of it was a wonderful thing to hear. They came back swinging. Oh, and i really need to listen to that single. I’ve heard no end of good about it! *grins*
The fact that the ‘net is a factor in returning the music industry back to the way it once was before payola, corporations and the RIAA got so bloody greedy. It’s a welcome thing, and i’m looking forward to watching it happen. Then take my own steps into it.
Novacula Off the Reservation!
BAAAWAAAAAAA….
Senior Republicans in Congress refer to President George W. Bush and his staff as irrelevant and out of touch.
aliasofwestgate @ 85
A big hooray for Eric Boehlert and Elliot Spitzer on that score too.
katymine- I have tried to do some more googling research about the AZ outbreak. Actually, it turns out that it was mentioned in the Silberman article that TRex linked, but I didn’t catch it at the time: similar text as for the .org site:
Silberman
~~And they’re spreading fast. A major outbreak in Chicago two years ago infected 81 patients, killing at least 14. Arizona health officials tracked more than 200 infections in state hospitals early last year.~~
reference to Phoenix valley
~~”and there is currently an outbreak in the Phoenix Arizona Valley area.” [February 25, 2006 dated]
Today I found out one of my best friends son will be returning to Iraq in a couple of weeks. He will be part of the
SurgeEscalation.How do you comfort a Mother when she tells you this… we will be protesting Kyl & LORD McCain’s office on Saturday!
The funny thing is VG is that since I live in Phoenix, 260 deaths would be a BIG deal and surely we should of heard about it on the local news.
Well, dawn breaks on Marblehead.
Welcome to where the rest of us have spent the last five years, Mr. Novak.
ccmask @
60
Midway? May be closer though I doubt very much there is any discernible time difference between getting into downtown Chicago. O’Hare is safer and is much more modern and oh so much more efficient with ample busses and cabs for Chicago’s downtown and hotels within the loop (elevated train). Major hotels have jitney bus service from O’Hare to their door. Ought to be easy to find what you need with google.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 67
“You’re a compassionate and curious person, thats what I need in a good story finder. Interested?”
Fini, that is a very sweet thing for you to say. Quite the compliment. Actually, I think I would be a good “story finder”. I have been accused of being able to talk to anyone about anything. I don’t want to promise more than I can deliver, however, because this is an entirely new “scheduling” idea for me, which has just arisen this evening, thanks to your comments. I will need a week or so to think it through. TRex has my email addy, BTW.
TRex @ 90
And those were “no partisan gunslingers” telling him this.
Scottie showed up on TDS, only to have Stewart play the clip of him saying that Libby and Rove had assured him that they were not involved in the Plame leak. Scottie said he parsed his statement very carefully to make it clear that he was only repeating what he was told.
TRex @ 90
If only it were true. He won’t truly be irrelevant until he loses the power to send our young men and women off to die.
Ye gads, these stitches itch. I’m going crazy, here. Must…not…touch…
Frank Probst @ 94
Rut roh! They’ve lost Scottie.
TRex @ 96
TRex, put an ice cube in a baggie. Wrap the baggie in a dry washcloth. Gently
presshold the washcloth on the itch.Frank Probst @ 94
Well, he said he mostly did that; in the clip that Jon Stewart played, of course, Scottie flat-out said that he’d talked to them and they weren’t involved, not “they told me.”
I loved it when Jon asked him if the Vice President is evil. :-)
katymine @ 89
katymine- I did not find any news articles about this in my googling. Maybe no one put the pieces of the puzzle together? Sounds like local research is needed. Silberman (author of the article that TRex quoted) showed up on that late nite thread. He might be a contact for you. The “wired” article does give an addy for him: Contributing editor Steve Silberman (digaman at wiredmag dot com), or maybe TRex has another means of contacting him.
TRex @ 96
Get yourself some “solarcaine” spray.
Valley Girl @ 92
Take your time, its a bit of a logistics hurdle I’m sure. Not so much for me, Chicago is a 3 hour drive. Do give it some thought though, you’d be a great Associate Producer for this.
Suzanne @ 98
This is a good idea, but the same can be said for wrapping a bag of frozen veggies in a washcloth and doing the same.
VG, I sent the links etc to the Doc on our AAR and will see what I can find out tomorrow. Will keep you posted.
Talked to my Vet family members who are ALL elderly to beware of this. Dad said that his VA does not see many Iraqi Vets, most from Korea & Vietnam. I really worry about our elderly Vets with this bug out there.
Now this makes you feel safe to fly …
http://iagblog.blogspot.com/20…..nance.html
kirk murphy @ 78
I saw a post by Kos a day or two ago that said if you write him an email and ask to be reinstated, he will do so.
ccmask @
60
That’s Midway. You’re correct, it’s much closer, although both airports can connect you through rapid transit plus bus for around the same price.
Congratulations, Fini and TRex on the spots. Also, let me just note that, after a couple of days of looking around at how other media and commentary are playing the Libby trial, the team of CHS, emptywheel and Pach, plus specialists like Swopa and the rest, are the sharpest on this trial. Sooner or later, everyone else seems to get lost in the weeds—and we’re still in the first week!
Must eat.
Back in a bit.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 102
Well, I must say, “Associate Producer” does have a nice ring to it!
Fini. Three hours from Chicago? Where abouts are you in that region? i’m about a 4 hour train ride from it myself. I won’t be going to YearlyKos because i’ve got a long standing engagement as a panelist at AnimeCentral again. XD So all my play money is going towards that.
aliasofwestgate @ 108
I am ensconced in the mediocre city of my birth Indianapolis. I am a frustrated Blue Hoosier (or Bloosier, a term I coined in a stupor here one night). Where are you?
Oh, and GO COLTS!!!
Nite all… see ya another evening… TRex… again a smashing post
Kitt @
54
–Reihl
———————————————
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http://dixiechicks.com/
Suck it, Riehl!
Could the guy be more full of it? I mean, could he possibly be more full of it?
The best revenge is success. I don’t know who said that, but it bears repeating.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 70
Yes, we should talk.
Lindy @ 112
George Herbert “Living well is the best revenge”
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26999.html
Success is the best revenge. ~French proverb
Election staff convicted in recount rig.
SteveAudio @ 112
I’ll email you in the AM.
Fini, i’m in Grand Rapids, MI. I moved here from the east side of the state about 5 years ago in search of a better college arts/film program. My choices were a school in ghettosville detroit, London, Ontario or GR. I chose GR because the fees for Ontario would be outrageous and double what i’d pay as a resident in my own state.
So i’d say we’re regional neighbors. ^_^
aliasofwestgate @ 117
Been there a few times, nice city. Always had a good time there with the folks of GR. Film student eh? Hmmmm…going to YKos?
Any news about Jane?
dorithewitch @ 119
News earlier in the day was that when Christy called her, she sounded animated and upbeat and doing quite well.
And chompin’ at the bit. :)
montag @ 121
Nope. Well, i wanted to be a film student at GVSU. Got told to back to community college and get sophmore status and reapply. INstead, i found out that GRCC has an excellent music program and has a well rounded Music Recording Technology program. I just changed my major offically for that about 3 months ago.
MRT is more along the lines of what i want to do. Which is to work with sound as a specialty, and it can be applied to nearly any media field. It includes classes on working with digital formats right along with grounding in theory and how to play an instrument to compose, deconstruct, reconstruct etc.
At the moment i’m in what i consider to be ‘boot camp’. Taking basic piano and basic music theory. Make or break time for me, and i’m enjoying every minute of it. After i pass those, i start geniune work on my degree required classes, which means i get my paws on studio equipment.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 117
Very cool!
dorithewitch @ 120
I called her at 4 PST, she was going back to doc for post op checkout, She sounded good, said she felt OK, but kinda beat up.
aliasofwestgate @ 122
Excellent, I am constantly amazed to find such an abundance of college and university level programs in audio recording tech these days. I guess it was just starting to become a proper field of study when I was coming up in the ranks of audio engineers who taught themselves or were mentored like I was into the field.
I’m in the last era of old school, apprenticed audio guys. To learn the trade back in the day you had to be taken in by a studio wizard and shown the ropes or be pressed into service via road tour/chain gang. It was a lot like how the British Navy used to recruit seamen, you would be found drunk in the corner of a bar and sailors would pick you up and deposit you on the next ship leaving port, you’d wake up and all of a sudden be a sailor in the service of the King. Only in my case it was a local band and the king was an asshole lead singer who underpaid his crews.
SteveAudio @ 124
Thanks, Steve. I bet the doc tells her that if she rested a wee bit more, she would be feeling less beat up.
Margot @ 105
I was under the impression that post by Kos was about reinstating all the people he recently did a mass purge-banning on for posting conspiracy theories, and/or use of full copyright articles and materials? (It was tied into cracking down on copyrighted images)
Am I recalling this correctly?
I also thought YKos is open to everyone to sign up and attend, not just site members? Last year I had to do the Air America live streaming route (via kos site) which was also open to anyone to sign up for a four day pass for a mere $10 bucks (it was cool). I’ve never been a member of his site and have no plans on being one but I do plan on attending YKos 2007.
I’ll be driving in from Lansing, I’m a smoker and will be happy to bring along anyone from this area that needs a ride to Chicago that is also a smoker or doesn’t mind. If nothing else it will give us an extra car to run errands etc.
And congrats Fini and TRex! Man I can’t wait to meet everyone.
Hey TRex- this is amusing- I was trying to figure out where the line “what’s that sound” came from, and figured it was from CSN or CSNY. Googled appropriately. Discovered not the song, but a Colin McEnroe column of the same title:
What’s that sound?
To wit:
~~It is perhaps a true measure of how completely Joe Lieberman has dominated my summer that I was sitting last night at a Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young concert getting mad at him all over again…..
~~I was especially pissed at Lieberman because, in the concentrated hysteria of a rock concert, you really get an undiluted sense of the way our country has gone careening down the wrong road for three or four years and — for those of us in Connecticut — of Lieberman’s persistent pushing of the wagon while blithely assuring us that all is well, nothing is wrong, things are improving. Selfishly, I found myself outraged at the memory of that now-infamous day when he appeared as a guest on our show to lecture me about my responsibilities as a journalist, as if I had done something evil by pointing out the recklessness with which he has embraced Bush-Cheney war policy. ~~~
Valley Girl @ 128
Some of the same participants, but if you Google “Buffalo Springfield,” and “what’s that sound?,” you’ll get more hits. :)
Yeah. I figured that’s how things used to go. I think they sprung up just for demand. Multimedia is so essential to today’s world. It’s just a matter of how, when and where you apply it. I’ve got some basic plans in mind, though i’m ready for anything to happen. Murphy’s law and i are old friends the last 5 years.
Sorry, i’m not going to YearlyKos this year. I won’t be able to afford it, and likely wont’ be able to get the time off either. My Chicago trip is in Mid May, for AnimeCentral at the Hyatt O’Hare. This will be my fourth year there, and my second one as a panelist.
montag @ 130
I believe you are talking about “For What It’s Worth” by the Buffalo Springfield (which included Neil Young)
http://www.metrolyrics.com/lyr…..17;s_Worth
Never mind, it’s from Buffalo Springfield lyrics
there’s something happinin here
what it is aint exactly clear
theres a man with a gun over there
tellin me i got to beware
i think it’s time we stop, children
what’s that sound
everybody look what’s goin down
there’s battle lines being drawn
nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong
young people speakin there minds
getting so much resistance far behind
it’s time we stop,
hey what’s that sound
everybody look what’s goin down
what a field day for the heat
a thousand people in the street
singing songs that they’re carrying signs
mostly say hurray for our side
it’s time we stop,
hey what’s that sound
everybody look what’s goin down
Par-a-noia strikes deep
into your life it will creep
it starts when your always afraid
step out of line the man come and take you away
we better stop
hey what’s that sound
everybody look what’s going down
alias — cool, you’re virtually my stepson’s neighbor. Stepson lives in Holland, goes to GVSU.
Shez — if things change, will check with you about commute, but looks like I’ll be flying into ORD from Marquette for YKos. How’s things with you?
Fini, TRex — groovy announcement about YKos!!! How nice to see your talents showcased for the rest of the progressive community!!
neurophius @ 131
And, Stephen Stills, which may be the source of VG’s confusion with CSNY.
Cheers.
montag @ 129
YouTube is undergoing “scheduled maintenance”! That was my first choice.
Lindy (116) — thanks for that link. How’d you run across that one – news feed?
montag @ 135
Public Enemy wove that song into a powerful version. youtube is offline or I’d look for it.
Rayne @ 133
TY Rayne! I’m just honored to be part of history with this convention. I imagine all of the Preznit candidates will make appearances and I’m gonna try to nail down some interviews with some of them. Its gonna be a nice challenge for my skills at not pulling my hair out.
Fini and TRex (and Nate and maybe VG?) – excellent venture; I’m sure you’ll do great.
I’ll have to miss YKos again this year, much to my chagrin.
and bravo, Spocko!
For what it’s worth…via Napster
Hey Punaise!
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 141
Being an old DFH, I think I have it on vinyl. :)
punaise @ 139
Thank you sir, unfortunate you cant join us though.
montag @ 144
As do I.
Little known factoid: My band opened for Buffalo Springfield at a club in Riverside, CA, in ‘68.
montag @ 143
I keep my old vinyl in the family record archive at my brother’s house. He has the only working turntable anyway. I bet one of the older brothers has a copy in our stack of wax.
montag @ 144
I think I do too, montag–packed away somewhere. I believe it was one of the first few albums I bought.
Hi folks. You know what made me happy to just read? That Jane is okay.
Bloggers are people.
(cut to Charlton Heston screaming. ‘They’re made out of PEOPLE. BLOGGERS are PEOPLE!!!)
And places like this don’t happen without the vision and drive of good people like Jane, Christy (whom I’ve met and she is WONDERFUL in person too) and the developers of communities like Atrios, First-Draft, DKos and 100’s of others.
Thanks Trex for the story. Thanks EGN for the pitch. You Rock!
BTW, I’d like some folks with big brains to drop me a line if you know anything about, rules about how 501 (c) can and can not use their donated money. Also if anyone has access to the “guidelines to violent rhetoric” on the radio that the article was refering too. Might be interesting reading.
thanks spockosemail AT gmail . com
Speaking of heads exploding, the next one to go is likely to be Tony Blair’s, after he reads this little doozy from his own Director of Public Prosecutions, Sir Ken McDonald.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk…..47,00.html
Wow. Talk about getting it exactly right. Well said, Sir.
Worth noting in passing that I found the link to this on Andrew Sullivan’s blog. Cut Andy some slack, y’all — on the Things That Really Matter, he’s on our side (if perhaps a bit belatedly in some cases).
Omigod, gotta go check out my vinyl before I go to bed. I *know* I have “Nashville Skyline”, but that’s all I can remember at this point in time.
Spocko!!!
hey VG….
Ok, I just watched little Scottie on TDS. I can’t figure out why he was on – not plugging a book, no mention at all as to what he is doing now. The only thing current mentioned was when Scottie said it was possible that he could be called as a witness in the Libby trial.
I’ve not heard boo about Scottie since he left to help out his mom’s campaign. All of a sudden, he shows up on TDS. What was that about?
Or is my tinfoil hat too tight again?
burnspbesq @ 149
Read that yesterday. Sir Ken is a bit concerned about creepin’ fascism, too.
punaise @ 153
HeyV G’s…what astronauts feel when the space shuttle is taking off
Spocko! Thank you.
neurophius @ 156
Please don’t talk about my sex life on this blog. Thanks.
dang, VG, that one made me spew!
Valley Girl @ 158
she’s Apollo’d by the insinuation
VG’s got The Right Stuff.
neurophius @ 156
Gee,Man…I didn’t mean to offend anyone
Valley Girl @ 157
Been foolin’ around with Gene Cernan, eh? :)
punaise @ 159
Gawd, what an opening… methinks there was some mooning involved….
Nite all. I think it’s time for me to go check out my vinyl (see earlier comment). And dream of men on Mars. Bush promised me that, but he hasn’t delivered. What a prick!
Valley Girl @ 165
‘Nite, VG.
montag @ 164
that reminds me of one of the rare times astute FDLer Hugh expressed puzzlement/surprise at something, to which the obvious retort was:
“Hugh? Stunned? We’ve got a problem.”
Valley Girl @ 164
Bush is confused. Men are from Mars, not going there. :)
‘nite VG.
“Hugh? Stunned? We’ve got a problem.”
That is a classic.
What the mind of punaise hath wrought. (Don’t worry, that’s not a pun)
montag @ 168
interplanetary candy diplomatic crisis: Mars bars Mounds.
punaise @ 166
There’s a YouTube video in there… Hugh9000. :)
I wonder whether they have switchgrass on Mars…
neurophius @ 169
On that note I am off to beddy-bye. Nite pups.
montag @ 172
“open the door, Hugh”
punaise @ 167
Punaise, you have out done your previous efforts with that one. Gotta say, before I check my vinyl, that Ed Harris is…
Hiya Rayne! Doing fine here, hope all is well with you and yours. Hell I hope we have a caravan going to represent Michigan. ;)
I’ve been trying to look up whether Wells said “the wife” today, could have sworn I espied it early this morn but everyone has said all day it didn’t come up.
In Marcy’s first post Libby Liveblog: Wells Cross-Examines Grossman near her last update I found this after 11:11am under the “ReDirect” section:
Not sure who said it this time, Wells? Fitz? Since “the wife” has definitely grated on my nerve I remember that jumping out at me while nursing my coffee, but I don’t remember it coming up again after this morning’s instance, that Marcy has documented so far I should say.
Maybe the women jurors glared at them. Heh.
punaise @ 170
All Mound Joys denied….
… a fine actor.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 174
‘night Fini, VG.
neuro – mind rot has already set in!
montag @ 178
dare you to work in Reese (Witherspoon)’s Peanut Butter Cups
punaise @ 174
“Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer, Hugh.”
“What is happening to the Wicked Witch?”
Her? She’s melting…
Morris Sheppard @
49
shegregious
punaise @ 180
Better not to get into the protein wisdom of pee-a-nut batter cops….
montag @ 182
“I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.”
punaise @ 185
SO, TU, the Deciderer states the problem.
montag @
185
let’s Barry the hatchet.
Then, there was Samuel Beckett’s classic, Waiting for Goodbar…
Oh, wait. Didn’t that star Dianne Keaton?
montag @ 187
the Deciderer is the problem. but you knew that.
neurophius @ 189
Barbara Hershey.
punaise @ 187
The plot is a-hatch-ed. Bare a Bond-age is upon us.
neurophius @ 188
Oh, good-oh.
punaise @ 191
How barbaric of me to forget that.
speaking of Neil Young,
“think I’ll pack it in
and buy a pick-up
drive it down the hallway”
hasta manana
Me, too.
Nite, all.
Suzanne @ 154
mine too. no book, no nothing, just an appearance.
g’nite, ‘pups….
The most laughable banner I saw on CSPAN yesterday: President Bush orders federal gov’t to purchase hybrid cars.
God forbid we ask the richest 1% to endure giving up a tax cut to help fund that cynical ploy, by the way. God forbid we ask corporate America to make a contribution towards such an initiative. The entire economy would collapse!
By the way, good morning all.
[obviously cranky, despite already having my coffee]
However, good post and thanks for sharing the good news.
Among several interesting items at Juan Cole’s this morning is a report from the Open Source Center on the reporting and reaction of Iraqi TV to the SOTU. The five channels described span a spectrum of opinion.
The Open Source Center is a facility of the office of the Director of National Intelligence. It is described briefly in this Wikipedia article.
Morning mandrake, prostratedragon, and any other conscious Firebirds. Coffee is brewing and I’ve been up all night reading the toobz since I took such a long nap in the evening, chronic nightowl.
I haven’t been able to pull up emptywheel’s site for hours now. Noticed in a previous thread Rayne mentioned Marcy had some troll droppings that needed cleaning up, hope the batshit crazy paranoid vermin didn’t chew on the wires too.
Good morning, pups. Sigh. David Brooks is in the NYT today. He’s become disillusioned with the dream of transforming Iraqi society. But there’s also Bob Herbert, who sounds suspiciously like he’s been lurking around the toobz at places like FDL and the Great Orange Overlord.
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
Have a wonderful day. And in case you want to light a candle for Jane during her recovery here’s the place:
http://www.gratefulness.org/ca…..p;gi=JaneH
Shez, I just clicked on your linky and the site popped up fine for me. I guess their Roto-Rootering worked, and nobody chewed on the wires.
Shez, your link opened the site fine for me.
hi folks –
CSPAN -
The very even handed host Susan just “rejected” in near outrage (I’ve never seen her get testy; she was sooo close.) a call positing they were having too many Dems on. She said she ‘rejected’ that CSPAN was ‘tllting coverage in some way.’
That, on the heels of the replay of Biden’s For Rel hearing.
Which I caught part of….there is an undercurrent, imho. THey might be spooked. Everybody sees Iran on the horizon, perhaps?
Traitor Joe made a ‘puking’ plea in the Prateus confirmation hearings counseling Sens hold off before voting any such thing.
Sounds like he wants the cement to dry.
…and ya got Cheney’s ‘hogwash’ on CNN.
—
Beautiful morning here, coffee’s hearty. Lots to pass around, if yer need it.
Good Morning, Firepups,
Marion in Savannah, I’ve got a big mug o’ java waiting for you. Thanks for posting links to the Times columnists [tho’ I can’t bring myself to read Bobo Brooks anymore].
It’s cold and cloudy here in central Jersey, with light snow on the way today. We’re getting quite an arctic blast tonight.
Mr. NJP and I head down to DC tomorrow–play date tomorrow, and big peace march on Saturday. One peace group from NJ & Eastern PA is sending more than 20 busses to Greenbelt, MD, on Saturday, where folks can get on the Metro to take them to the Mall for the rally before the march. According to an email Mr. NJP received from one of his peace groups, there are more than 500 busses from 30 states bringing people to the march. Go to the United for Peace and Justice website for more info, and a pdf of the rally areas on the Mall.
Work for peace, every day.
Chris Wallace on Imus talking about the SOTU.
Poor George, gotta be the loneliest man in Washington right now…
Well. says Mr. S.. Bet he’s not as lonely as a kid on duty with a rifle in Fallujah in the dark. Or maybe the guy in New Orleans trying to rebuild his life while his family’s scattered across the country. Or the kid whose body is shattered by an IED and the pain screams thru him when he tries to walk with a leg encased in plastic and metal.
Imus pushing the Rethug meme about Hagel’s “outburst” after Chip Reid said he “went wild.”
We need a helluva lot more of Hagel going ballistic, IMO. And others joining him.
And Chris Wallace saying if it doesn’t work and there’s a thousand more casualties, then congress will get around to doing more. So a thousand’s his kill number, eh.
Well, I’m with Hagel. Not. one. more. casualty.
umm….I hope this means nothing:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=131972007
Sounds kinda like….I dunno, some big case in DC going on now. And a trip. Yeah. Now, what happened with that, anyway.
AirportCat @ 11
What a great image…
Mornin’ all!
CNN – “very quietly, there are US soldiers on the ground, expect to see more air strikes in Somalia. There are five war ships off the coast and f-16s in the air.”
U.S. to more than triple aid to Lebanon
twolf1 @ 211
VP tells Wolfie ‘…frankly you’re out of line with that question’ when asked about his daughter. Think he’s practicing?
rumi – cheney certainly lived up to his first name in that hard-to-watch interview. He was so defensive — at times childish–but always an ass.
I doubt Mr. Cheney has to practice to be a giant prick, it just comes naturally (no pun intended).
Good morning. Up at a little after 5am over here for no other reason than high anticipation of today’s proceedings.
The Cuban Cowboys and a Bush pinata
Pinata
Morning all fire pups. A bit early for protest, but you probably have heard about Glenn Beck’s calling out “faggot” in a show supported by BestBuys and Office Max. CNN is supporting Beck’s use of the word. You can speak out to the 2 advertisers in opposition.
http://achorn.blogspot.com/200…..ffice.html
raven @ 217
Thanks for the great wakeup music! But they didn’t break the Pinata!
This is a classic textbook example of how to win when dealing with these hatemonging creeps.
Georgian sting seizes bomb grade uranium
All this is very stupid of Disney. Corps that bank on image/reputation need to be very careful. I hear that’s why many including universities like to settle in private. Now some of us public have an image of Mickie Mouse hanging out with uberrightwingers. Disney paraphanelia is not exactly the kind of some of us want around the tiny tots.
Here’s the fancy new DoD crowd control toy.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/wor…..30704.html
This was covered by BBC last night. Report made no bones it would not only be availble for foreign duty, but ‘could be used to quell civil uprisings domestically’ (very close paraphrase). With recent dismantling of the basic protections of the COnstitition, this is troubling.
imho.
Connieh @
219
Just the messenger!
Good Morning to all Firedogs – here and lurking
remember to click through the ads – All this FDL Team Plame Coverage costs $$$ :)
was just about to send Hagel and Webb a mash note – but then I saw
They both voted against Chris Dodd’s resolution
a very, very smart woman recently said: “It will take years to unravel this crap “
lotsa work ahead doggies
RE the new “zapper” mob control weapon: maybe demonstrators should try carrying parabollic mirror shields?
Surely us blogistanians can think of something to counter this.
itwasntme @ 225
Thinking…
TIN-FOIL!
:~>
new thread up top
twolf1 @ 221
‘Morning, friends. Got up early here to check the news. And this! Maybe back to bed….
of course there’s a new thread up . . .should just change my handle to threadkiller and get it over with Xo
Shez — you there? Just saw your comment about “the wife”; I’ve been snagging the text of the Libby trial posts here to email to folks who can get email but can’t surf. I can run a “find” on the text and look for the word “wife” in yesterday’s posts in a jiffy since they are now in a single document.
Back in a sec.
GrandmaJ — you out there, too? Did you figure out how to use Google Reader or bypass the firewall at work? If not, my offer to email still stands.
For the first time in a year or so of reading FDL I disagree with TRex. I do want to take hate speech off the air. What is hate speech is, obviously a judgment call, but I am confident that an sane FCC would err on the side of freedom and the courts could sort it out if they did not. Imagine a left wing station that suggested kicking in the faces or burning down the houses of CEOs because they are getting all the money. That isn’t Air America’s style, but I think it is very, very dangerous to have millions upon millions of people slavering over violence against anyone who objects to an extreme right wing agenda or who happens to be a Muslim somewhere in the world.
cbl @
230
You didn’t kill the thread, you just put the chocolate sauce and cherry on top!
dorithewitch @ 122
I thought the biopsy results were supposed to be in on Monday (?)
Morris Sheppard @ 49
For the record:
I’m a girl.
egregious @
235
punaise @
184
I read this in USA Today on my way home from Chicago yesterday — very cool! It was so nice to see this in such a mainstream paper.