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Here we go folks! We'll spend the first part of the morning doing jury instructions. Things to look for? There has been an active debate since the day Libby was indicted about how to refer to Plame's status and the relationship of her status to this case. Libby has wanted any discussion of classified (much less covert) status to remain unmentioned, since he has received only a CIPA summary of her employment status and has been indicted for lying, not for leaking. Whereas Fitzgerald has argued that her status is an important background piece to the case. Look to see how Walton has decided to split that baby.
One other heated debate relates to the relationship between the obstruction charge and the false statements/perjury charges. Libby's team made a move to yoke them, presumably so that if Libby were found innocent of lying, then he would by necessity be found innocent of obstruction as well.
And finally, there's a question about the scope of the investigation. Libby's team has indicated it may dispute the government's version of the scope of the investigation, particularly as it relates to the Fall 2003 part of the investigation. I suspect they're trying to argue that, at that point, the investigation related solely to the leak to Novak, so any leaks to other journalists would be non-material. Most of Libby's teams argument about this will come later–but watch to see how Walton defines the investigation.
Two housekeeping notes. First, remember this is not an official transcript. Where I use quotation marks, it is my own transcription of a person's statement. Otherwise, it is a rough paraphrase. If you need to quote something officially, wait for the official transcript please!
And finally, I'm going to try to mark the times of my updates. I'll try to update the post no more than every 15 minutes. So you can use this "timestamp" to figure out when to refresh your browser. We'll be slamming the servers pretty hard today, let's not slam them even further by refreshing every 30 seconds, alright?
Ut oh, we're starting with a sidebar discussion. No idea what that was about, oh damnit! There they go into sidebar again! This is not an auspicious beginning. For those who are just tuning in, when they go into sidebar we get nasty static noise here in the media room. Ah, it's off again.
Walton: One matter still outstanding regarding the instructions.
Bonamici (from Fitz' team) up to exlpain government position.
They're still arguing over the materiality (see yesterday's discussion) in the false statements/perjury charges. Libby's team wants them to use "allegations," Fitz' team wants to use "possible crimes." I think what Libby's team is trying to do is avoid any sense of crime associated with Plame's identity. Though as Walton points out, we wouldn't be here unless the FBI was investigating "possible crimes." Walton changes it to "possible crimes."
Now we're waiting in silence, full court room, for the jury, which wasn't there for that little crimes/allegations discussion.
9:34
Jury is coming into the court room now. The media room is calling off their nicknames, "One must be seated," "Rocky mountain spotted fever." This will be the one time we get to see the jury today.
Walton asked what they got for breakfast. They DID NOT have steak and eggs.
Walton starts with instructions. This is not a substitute for detailed instructions on law for the end of the trial. This is for the benefit of those who have never set for a trial. Will give some indication of what your duty is. And will give some principles of law that will be helpful to you. Walton starts to describe the opening statement. "Keep in mind that the opening statement is not evidence." Defense has a right to make an opening statement, but is not required to do so. The reason for that is that the government has the burden of proof.
The next part of the trial that you will is called the government case in chief. In all probability the case in chief will be presented in two ways. Witnesses. And exhibits. An exhibit does not become evidence until I say that it is admitted as evidence. If I do not permit that exhibit to be admitted into evidence, then you cannot consider it as evidence in this case.
Fitz and Jeffress are looking up at Walton. Wells is looking down at his notes. I can't see Libby on the monitor, so I can't see what he is doing (yesterday he was reading the NYT).
Walton now explaining that the defense does not have to present evidence.
Walton uses his hands when he talks.
Now explains the government gets a second opportunity to present their rebuttal case.
He's basically giving them a road map of the trial.
Now he's explaining the closing arguments.
Once that has been completed, I will give you detailed instructions on law that you will consider.
9:45
Walton explains that an indictment is not evidence, that jurors cannot infer guilt from it.
Walton explains that there are 17 judges in this courtroom. He describes his duty as the judge on the law, and implores them to listen to his judgments on the law.
Walton talks about their duty to weigh the evidence in the trial. You should determine the facts without prejudice, fear, or favoritism (I missed one).
You may not take anything I do as how you think I think you should decide this case, he says. He's telling them to disregard anything he (Walton) says in judging the facts, repeats that it is their sole and exclusive responsibility to judge the facts.
Walton now explaining objections. "I suspect there will be objections to questions." [really?] Describing what "sustained" objections mean. Talks about their legal obligation to strike a sustained objection from their mind.
It is vitally important that this case must be decided ONLY based on the evidence that will be presented in the course of this trial.
Walton again warning them to avoid outside information.
Understand that if the lawyers say something that is different from your recollection of the evidence, you should rely on your memory of the evidence.
Walton now talking about presumption of innocence. The burden of proof never shifts to the defendant over the course of the trial.
Jeffress politely listening. Fitz looking up from time to time, Wells still reading his notes.
Walton now introducing reasonable doubt. "A doubt for which you have a reason based on the evidence or lack of evidence in the case." If you cannot say you are firmly convinced of the defendant's guilt, you have a reasonable doubt. But this doubt cannot be based on imagination or speculation. Government not required to prove guilt to a scientific certainty.
No evidence will be presented to you as to Valerie Plame Wilson's status at the CIA or whether that status posed a risk to her or the CIA. That is because her status is totally irrelevant to the offenses the defendant has been charged with in this case. You must therefore not consider that in your deliberations. You may consider what Mr. Libby knew or thought he knew and what his state of mind was when he testified to the FBI. You must understand that this doesn't estbalish anything about her status or damage caused.
9:57
Walton now getting into charges. Starts with Russert allegation. Now does Matthew Cooper charge. Refers to Judy Miller on July 12. This is significant–she wasn't named in the indictment, but she is here. Libby's team will likely push back against this.
Count 1 Obstruction of Justice
Corruptly endeavored to impede judicial proceedings by knowingly and deliberately deceiving the GJ information about how he knew or disclosed info to the media.
In order to prove this charge.
- There was a proceeding pending before the grand jury concerning the possible unauthorized disclosure of Plame's ID
- That the defendant knew the proceeding was pending
- That the defendant misled or deceived the GJ about how he acquired or disclosed to the media Plame's ID
- That in misleading, he corruptly endeavored ot mislead the jury. With an evil purpose. (Libby's team hammered this hard–they want to make Fitz prove Libby's a jerk). It is not necessary for the govt to prove that the effort to impede justice was successful.
Count 2 and 3 False Statements
Knowingly and willfully making false statements regarding a material fact. (Libby's team want to challenge materiality.) To prove this offense:
- Defendant knowingly made a false statement to the government of the US, namely the FBI
- That is was made in a matter in the jurisdiction of the US
- That he acted willfully knowing the statement was false
- That the statement was material to the investigation being conducted by the FBI. The alleged false statement need not to have influenced the actions of the FBI or deceived the FBI.
Count 4 and 5 Perjury
Under oath before a grand jury knowingly makes a false material declaration. In order to prove:
- Defendant made a statement to the GJ while he was under oath
- Statement false in one or more respects
- Defendant knew that this statement was false
- The false statement was material to the matter that was being investigated by the GJ, repeating materiality definition again: capacity to impair or pervert functioning of grand jury, if it relates to an important fact that hat the ability to influence the decision of the GJ. You may consider the nature of the GJ investigation, including the charges that will be investigated, to determine whether the statement was material.
Will give these instructions in final instructions. Will provide written copies of instructions. Will tape record final instructions and provide a written copy to the jurors.
10:09
Walton now telling them what they need to do.
Listen intently.
Has given notepads, I will explain note-taking to you in a bit.
He's telling them to get some sleep. I've had a lot of problems in the past with jurors falling asleep. Unless you can convince me that you have the supernatural ability to sleep and listen at the same time. I don't want to embarrass you but if I see you nodding off, I'm going to call you on it.
You have the ability as one of the judges to take a break when you need to.
Walton–my wife thinks I have the easiest job in the world. But I can appreciate it, it is very tiring. You have a right to take a break. But I'm not a mindreader. If you find yourself getting sleepy, just raise your hand and I'll let you break immediately.
It is crucial that you not have any discussion with anyone about this case. Don't talk among yourselves. If you do that, you'd have a natural tendancy to make decisions about the case.
Tells them that if they inadvertantly come into contact with the media, tell him.
The witnesses who were identified to you, none of them were present when you were asked about them. If when you see them, you recognize them as someone you know, raise your hand and we'll figure out whether your knowledge will impair your ability to judge this case.
I may have to have a discussion with the lawyers. Sometimes the lawyers need to explain why they think the objection is appropriate. If it's a lengthy discussion I'll send you back to the jury room. If it'll be short, they lawyers will approach the bench and I'll turn on the husher. The acoustics of the court room are good, but you're not supposed to hear us. Don't try to eavesdrop on us when we're talking about. You can turn and talk to your neighbor, but tune us out.
Walton now explaining that he'll let jurors take notes. Thought it was weird that judges were allowed to take notes, but not jurors.
Don't take verbatim notes. [Let the liveblogger do that, of course!!]
No one will read your notepads. You'll tear out the pages on which you took notes, they will be immediately destroyed. Don't be constrained by being worried about who will see your notes.
Will allow jurors ask questions. It only makes good sense to permit you to ask that question. However, I cannot let you to ask questions like the lawyers do, orally.
10:22
Walton talking about alternates. No one will know who the alternates are but me and the lawyers (media room says, "and us, and anyone reading our stories.") We will need the services of alternates.
Going over the schedule.
Woohoo!! 10 minute break. We'll go into opening statements right after this, in a new thread.
One more point–Walton gave no instruction on memory defense.
10:26



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FITZMAS !!!!!! IS HERE !!!!!
Fitz!
So many thanks for covering this. Is it a more-full house today in the overflow area? How’s the atmosphere? Any chance of witnesses today, or just opening remarks?
wow–rounding first.
Generally, a memory can prove a dangerous thing to have under this administration. Even I can remember W.M.D., Mohamed Atta, African uranium, shock and awe, mission accomplished, and a heckuva job — and I’m lousy when it comes to plot. The prodigious Mr. Libby, on the other hand, remembers all 79 “Star Trek” episodes. And their titles, too.
touching second and looking for guilty…
Hi …
I’m a local in DC; if you find yourselves in need of a home cooked meal, local flora and fauna tips (hint … go walk the Canal at Cabin John!) or where to take the dogs, drop a line.
R.
rounding third and seeing the flop sweat…
ah…….I am not alone.
Good wishes for jane and pass the big java to Christy and the others.
thanks for doing this. started a new job yesterday and have to steal a peak now and then.
best.
dqueue @
3
I doubt we’ll get to witnesses today. CHristy thinks the jury instructions will go long. So we’ll have Fitz’ opening before lunch. Then Well’s opening afterwards. Which will bring us to 3:30 at the earliest.
But who knows. We’re still waiting on the jury. They get a catered breakfast (partial sequestering) so they’re probably gulping down their bacon and eggs.
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Welcome to the ‘Lake! The water’s warm, so jump right in.
Okay, gotta’ know. What happened to the opera singer juror? I liked her.
-S
O/T re the SOTU:
Is it just me, or does what we’ve heard so far about Bush’s healthcare “plan” sound like yet one more screw the middle class to give a tax break to uber-rich corps?
O/T — will we be using Book Salon rules–O/T stuff in the previous thread? Or are quickies like this okay? Sorry if I’m asking a question already answered, Real Life is fly-by this week.
Thanks, Christy, Pach and everybody who’s participating in the liveblogging today.
Hey, George…this is what democracy looks like.
Reading this is just too good to be true.
Marcy, you SO rock!
Good mornin’ all!
Christy, Pach, empty…thank you so much for what you guys are doing. Through you we have a front seat to history. Thanks.
And now let’s just refresh our memories as to why we’re all here in the first place.
“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.”
Sixteen words.
can you say C-H-A-N-G-E-L-I-N-G ?
McCain shifts Iraq blame to Cheney, Rumsfeld
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0123.html
I knew ya could
EW, do the folks in the press room know that WaPo guy? Boos or cheers?
Also, any speculation that Libby’s group slowed down voir dire so that the State of the Union speech coverage keeps the Libby trial off the evening news shows?
“Hey, George…this is what democracy looks like.”
Funny, I was just thinking that, Prairie Sunshine!
Christy or Marcy,
Are the jurors being allowed to take notes?
Folks
Christy can’t liveblog–no computers in the court room. She’ll have details on the jurors at lunch, I think.
As to the opera singer, she got bounced, I believe.
Go Team Fitz!!!
Merry Fitzmas to everyone, and a happy 20 year sentence to you Scooter.
Didn’t your mother tell you to not lie? You should be charged for building the case on which Powell based his UN speach.
Here’s info on the jury (not the alternates, however).
cbl @ 15
Credibility at zero. He should skip New Hampshire altogether.
Thanks to the FDL gang for the impressive coverage and terrific information. I’m learning so-o-o-o much.
Thanks, Audj
“DID NOT have steak and eggs”
Precious. Thanks, emptywheel.
lilnubber @ 18
Please keep up comments on Scooter’s note taking and general behavior.
Feeling almost like I’m in the courtroom, seeing the trial through far more savvy eyes than my own – this is just so amazing!
Thank you all!
The person that comes up with the funniest joke or comment about Libby and/or his boss Cheney or the trial in this thread of this comment section during today’s proceeding wins the
Go for it!
[Mod Note; love the idea, but let’s keep them at least marginally tasteful on the live blog threads, OK?]
great job ew.
Just a quick post to support Debra Bonamici who has been a brilliant AUSA here in Chicago. TeamFitz is very lucky to have her on board.
Stopping in to Fitz…yeehaw!
Why can’t anyone point out the obvious here: Plame was covert. If she wasn’t covert, Libby’s lawyers would be pushing to have that fact front-and-center in this case. Their opening statement would be: “Oh for God’s sake. She was a receptionist! Why the hell are we here?”
But no, they’re going out of their way to keep anything about her job out of the courtroom. And their attempt to turn “possible crime” into “allegation” was immediately slapped down by Walton, who presumably knows if she was a spy or just a file clerk.
Memo to MSM: If she wasn’t a covert agent, Karl Rove would have already given you her day planner for the last 10 years.
we’re waiting right ??
if so, can one of the more knowledgable and patient Firedogs point me to a Firefox Links for Dummies page/site ? ’s about time I learn how to abbreviate/customize links – thanks
Frank Probst @ 31
why do you think Fitz will leave that out of his opening statement?
Pax et Bonum @ 29
I know Christy is very impressed with her so far.
lina @ 33
Because he has to. I think the CIA–at Bush/Cheney’s request–has purposely refused to declassify anything relating to Plame so that they can continue to obscure just how damaging this leak was.
cbl @ 32
Actually, on FDL you don’t even need that. Just click the “Link” button above the comment edit box. It’ll prompt you for the URL and then for the text that should appear.
The only tricky bit is that sometimes afterwards, the cursor will get moved to the top of the comment, and you’ll have to move it to the end before you continue typing.
(Also, if you’re adding links to text you already have in the comment editor, such as cut-and-pasted text, select the text you want to turn into a link first, and you’ll need to fill in the URL, but the text will already be filled in for you when you get to that step.)
Can I get a quick rundown of major players? I know Libby, and Wells is his atty. Fitz is prosucution, and Bonaduce (ok, Bonamatti? Bonablah?) is with him, but who is Jeffress? Just a quick clarification of the seconardary names that we may hear frequently may help.
Thanks!
If Libby is Cheney’s Cheney, who was Libby before he was Cheney? Said another way, if you will, I wonder if Libby is tired of being Cheney.
Everytime one of Libby’s nervous cohorts tells him, “We’ll get throught this” Libby must think “Our a$$ is not on the line, that my a$$ on the line not yours”
Imagine this case being Fitz’s most high profile case even though he’s proseuting crime bosses and al Quida leaders.
Okay, now I see where Team Libby is going with materiality. They’re going to argue that since Libby wasn’t the first person to leak Plame’s identity, he should get a free pass on lying to the FBI and the grand jury. I don’t think this is going to fly. My bank robbery analogy still applies: If three different people rob a bank on three separate occasions, they’re all guilty of bank robbery. “But somebody else robbed the bank first!” is not a legitimate defense, nor is claiming that the police should have only investigated and arrested the “original” robber. They wouldn’t even try that on the worst “Law & Order” episode.
cbl @
32
cbl,
if you are planting links in these comments, you just type the text you want to show up, highlight the words you want to take us to the linked material, click link above, past the actual url into that box, and then Ok that the text you typed is what represents the link.
If you are trying to do it for other applications and you are on a mac, I recommend a little application called BlogAssist.
OT: Eureka Springs and Rayne raised questions re the Asst. US Attorney for Alaska here at fdl yesterday. ES was wondering whether or not the AK US Atty is under fire for the FBI investigations up here, which are ongoing.
The DOJ AK corruption investigation is being run out of the DC office. Alice Fisher was in charge until her promotion to head the DOJ criminal division. The AK Atty job appears to currently be open:
http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs…..aska08.htm
I would think they could state that a criminal referral came from the CIA, simply in a chronology of events (similar to how he explained it at the press conference). I believe he said “on _________ Valerie Wilson’s cover was blown.”
That’s all he has to say for the jury to get the idea.
(no more zigs, I promise.
GAH!!!
I’m seven minutes away from the courthouse… Bleh.
Mebbe during lunch… >.>
emtywhel says
neil @ 38
I respect Fitz, especially what he is doing to clean up corruption in Illinois, and I think this is an awful position to put him in. After all, his bosses are ultimately Alberto Gonzales and George Bush. Fitz is an excellent, non-political U.S. Attorney, but his public career will very likely be either shortened or ended because of this case – and that’s a shame.
I also think he had to draw this case so narrowly that the only real way we are going know how we got into the war is by congressional testimony … so let’s go Dems.
Thanks Redshift and RevDeb !!!
I just looked up Judge Walton and discovered that he’s a Bush appointee; considering it was he who quashed the Sibel Edmonds whistle-blower case (reluctantly), I’m impressed with how he’s handling Libby’s trial.
Pax et Bonum @
29
I second your sentiment, as a disinterested observer: those simple, specific, and clear (proposed) jury instructions crafted by Debra Riggs Bonamici, et al, are a thing of beauty, and will definitely lighten the load on the jurors during their deliberations.
Me in IL @ 37:
Jeffress is another of the Libby defense attorneys, from the Baker Botts law firm in D.C. [Wells is based in NYC.]
I really like the fact that they’re allowed to take notes and also ask questions (through the judge).
I’ve been on three juries and the restriction against taking notes drove me crazy all three times – I just think better if I take notes.
And in one of those trials, there were a couple of simple questions that would have been really helpful – we wasted a ton of time in deliberation on what the answers might have been.
emptywheel
Neglected to thank you downstairs *hangs head*
You’re awesome! ;->
neil @
38
I keep thinking about jr. & tonite’s speech, in re same sorta situation. Betting he feels hung-out-to-dry, as it were, after no-doubt being promised a free ride to fame ‘n glory at the beginning of this reign. Keep wanting to ask him, “How’s that workin’ out? Havin’ fun yet?” Not that I feel the slightest ping of pity for the chap. Impeachments still sound totally proper to me… Golly we old people can be stubborn(!) ;->
Why does anyone know who the alternates are? I mean why not have all 16 potential jurors hear the trial without deciding in advance which ones are alternates, and assuming more than 12 are left at the end, pick the 12 at random (by computer or by drawing straws) only when it’s time for deliberations? That avoids any uneven treatment or pitching presentations based on knowing who the real jurors are.