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Here goes Fitzgerald… It will be utterly fascinating to see how Fitzgerald operates. I'm most interested, though, in how Fitzgerald will describe the obstruction charge and Libby's motive. What will Fitzgerald say Libby was obstructing, and why? You see, Fitzgerald could either go small–or go big…
If he were to go small, Fitzgerald would argue that Libby was trying to hide his own involvement in the lead-up to the leak, presumably to save his job. He would focus on Libby's own centrality in collecting information on the Wilsons. And might portray Libby's actions as a freelancer.
But if Fitzgerald were to go big, he would argue that Libby was trying to hide the involvement of OVP–in particular, Dick Cheney. If he were to go this route, Fitzgerald would argue that Libby was trying to hide his first source of Plame's identity, the Vice President. He would talk about how OVP held strategy sessions to discuss how to respond to Wilson as early as June 11. And he would talk about how involved Cheney was in the response to Wilson throughout the week of the leak, first by scrawling talking points on Wilson's op-ed, ordering Libby to leak something to Judy Miller on July 8 (which may or may not be the NIE), and strategizing a response to journalists on July 12.
I suspect we'll see the evidence associated with Cheney in either case (after all, it has been leaking out reliably for over a year). The question is–how central will it be to Fitzgerald's case?
Well, today we finally get to see.
To repeat some housekeeping notes. This is not an official transcript. I'll be paraphrasing as accurately as I can and for the good stuff, I hope I can capture direct quotes. But this is a liveblog, not a transcript.
Also, in an attempt to preserve the servers, we're trying to limit the number of times people manically refresh. I'll post the times when I update and will try to limit updates to 15 minute intervals. So before you update, check the most recent time stamp to see whether there really might be something new up.
We're in break before Fitz' opening. Fitz is pacing, with his arms crossed, face down. Putting his game face on. He's kind of pacing right near the lawyers podium.
Wells is pacing around too. Don't see Jeffress.
Fitz testing out the mike.
Everyone taking seats. All rise.
Walton explains that it takes a few minutes to bring the jury in because they're not in the jury room just behind the court room, they're in some former chambers.
Walton tells everyone to turn off cell phones. "I would hate to see what would happen to you if it went off during the course of their statements."
Jurors coming in at 10:38.
It's Sunday, July 6, 2003. Sunday. Fireworks are over. Except, a different kind of fireworks are about to being. People open the Sunday NYT. A column written by a man named Joseph Wilson. In this column he made an explosive charge. BushCO may have twisted the intelligence for the war on Iraq. Describes this as an attack on the OVP (Office of Vice President) in particular!!! Describes Wilson's appearance on MTP. The fourth month when WMDs had not been found.
At first, the WH was stunned. IT admitted that some of the things it said should not have been said. But then WH started to push back. Especially OVP. You know what, we don't agree. We think some of his accusations are unfounded. But some people pushed back in a different way and said things to the newspapers on the understanding that the newspapers wouldn't use their name. Some officials told the reporters that Wilson's wife works at the CIA. As a result of those disclosures, a very serious GJ investigation began.
Describes importance of GJ investigation. How did they learn it. What did they do with it. Did they want the story to appear in the newspaper?
This case is about how the defendant obstructed the investigation. Appeared before a federal GJ in this court house. Took an oath. And then violated that oath repeatedly. The evidence will show that the defendant lied repeatedly both to the FBI and the GJ.
Discussed with multiple officials. Talked to more than one reporter about Wilson's wife working at CIA. Gave into to WH press secretary. When the GJ asked questions, the defendant lied. 10:44
Introduces the Russert info. On Monday July 7, Defendant told Ari that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA. Told Judy on July 8.
You can't learn something startling on Thursday that you give out on Tuesday.
Fitz' voice is shaking some. There's a powerpoint with dates.
Fitz is saying that this is just a heads up, not to worry about all the names.
January 23, President Bush delivered SOTU. [how about this timing?!?!?!?!]
This SOTU was especially important. Are we going to war, should we be going to war. Part of that case was that Iraq was trying to get WMD, including nuclear weapons.
The 16 words. (UP on a powerpoint screen!!!)
Following SOTU, the war began.
Stockpiles of WMD not found. Where are they. Were they ever there. Have we got it wrong. Did we slant the intelligence. Did someone lie about it?
You will not be asked whether the war in Iraq was a good thing or a bad thing. You will be asked whether the govt proved beyond reasonable doubt.
Press accounts describe an Ambassador took a trip to Niger. Press accounts describing Joe Wilson, appearing in some newspapers.
Alleged that trip taken at request of VP.
Alleged that Wilson debunked.
People started asking questions: Who is this former Ambassador?
The defendant was one of the people asking those questions.
Multiple conversations where he (Libby) learned of Wilson and Plame's ID.
Back to powerpoint calendar. Describing the leadup to Pincus' article.
Cheney told Libby that Plame worked at CIA and against the spread of nuclear weapons.
Introduces Grossman. Says Grossman will be first witness. Describes him as number 3.
Describes Grossman wondering about the trip, how 'come I don't know about this trip?
Admits that Grossman knew Wilson, that they had worked together [Libby will introduce emails between them]
Bob Grenier called by defendant. Defendant trying to get answers to he could respond to press inquiry about trip. Why had he been sent? Could the CIA make a statement to the press that it wasn't just the VP that this ambassador got sent. Mr. Grenier did not get sent fast enough. Grenier got pulled out of a meeting to repsond to Libby's questions!
Libby learned about Wilson's wife from a woman named Cathie Martin. Date of conversation unclear. This likely occurred around the same time. Cathie Martin went straight to the VP and defendant together and told them that she had learned about Plame working at CIA.
You will learn about another conversation.
You will learn about morning intelligence briefing. Craig Schmall assigned as briefer in June 2003. Defendant discussed with Mr. Schmal, described Joe and Valerie by name.
He had learned from high level government people that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA.
He discussed it with someone outside the government: Judy. Met with defendant in his office. Defendant talking about controversy. Defendant discussed with reporter Miller his view of Joseph Wilson. He made it very clear that he never wanted to see his name in the newspaper. It wouldn't be attributed to OVP. It would be attributed to a Senior Administration Official. 10:55
Now doing July–talking about the op-ed.
Puts Cheney's annotated op-ed on the powerpoint screen!!
Everyone was paying attention to the 16 words. Issued a statement that the statement shouldn't have been in the SOTU.
Evidence will show that Wilson was accusing the VP of misleading the country. Someone was being accused about lying about the cause for war.
VP cut out the newspaper, underlined it, and wrote handwritten notes on the top of the page. Kept it, it was found months later, in OVP.
Defendant had his own copy (a printout). He underlined his own copy. They were not going to take this lying down. Defendant was VP's right hand man.
Wilson's charges hit close to home. You will see that the defendant spent consderable time. Defendant inserted himself at dealing with the press, at the direction of VP.
Powerpoint calendar is back up.
Monday. Same day WH issues a statement.
Lunch with Ari. Ari was about to leave to go to Africa. It was Fleischer's last week at WH. Defendant and Ari talked about Ari's future, football (both Miami Dolphins fans), talked about Joseph Wilson. Told him this was hush. And remember, this was the press secretary.
Ari had conversations with reporters that he should not have had [Damn, I owe Swopa a beer!!]
Judy and Libby at the St. Regis. Defendant shared the information that she attribute it to SAO. Conversation asked to change the rules. Defendant asked to be treated as former Hill staffer. [Key--Fitz is saying the Former Hill staffer attribution was specifically tied to Wilson info.]
David Addington conversation. Used to work at CIA.
Defendant asked Addington about paper work, a person at CIA sending a spouse on a trip.
Defendant was very focused on statement that Tenet would issue. [This is the stuff CIA and OVP were arguing about in Summer 2005] It was understood that Tenet would accept responsibility. Defendant and VP were very focused on what Tenet would say. Wanted it to be as full as possible, to make it clear that the VP and the President were not responsible.
People in the WH were letting the Defendant know what the statement looked like. Libby was pushing to put additional language in to protect President and VP.
11:04
Going into Hardball. Describes Libby keeping up to date on Hardball. He was ticked off. Calls Russert. Not directly in line with Matthews–Russert is not Matthews' boss. But Libby thought he could call Russert and complain.
Libby had very important job. Fitzgerald admits this up front, "you'll see that early and often."
In spite of his important duties, the defendant was sufficiently concerned, he made time to deal with the Wilson controversy.
Fitz talking about timing of Tenet's statement–pissed that Tenet did a Friday afternoon news dump. Libby didn't think the Tenet statement went far enough.
Cooper emailed Cathie Martin questions. Martin will try to get back to Cooper on Saturday, got to make Saturday deadline.
Describes Cheney christening the aircraft carrier.
Martin and Libby talk about response. Then Libby goes forward to discuss with Cheney how to respond.
Tells Martin that Libby, not Martin, will deal with the press. Wants Libby to make a statement in VP's own name.
Told defendant to make statements on background. Libby wrote both of these down.
Libby, Martin, and Assistant make phone calls. To Cooper, telephone without a speaker. Cannot hear what Cooper has to say. Libby goes through statement from Cheney. Libby confirms that Plame works at CIA.
Fitz doesn't name Rove as Cooper's first source.
11:10
Describes Novak, makes it clear that Libby was not a source for Novak.
Describes things getting hotter during the Fall with the investigation. Another firestorm. The President was being asked questions about investigation.
Descibes McClellan doing briefings. "For the first two weeks in October, [Scottie] should have worn a helmet to work."
September 29–denies WH involvement [this is a bit of go small].
Describes Scottie saying Rove was not involved.
Describes Libby trying to get Scottie to clear Libby's name. Goes to Cheney. TOok out oa piece of paper, wrote out a note, wrote out the words he wanted Scottie to say to make clear.
VP wanted to make sure Scottie did for Libby what he had done for Rove, wrote this down on a piece of paper. Scottie came through on more than one occasion. Reviews when Scottie defended Libby.
Describes DOJ starting a high profile investigation. And just after DOJ starts it, WH press secretary claims Defendant had no involvement.
11:15
Describes Libby's interviews with the FBI. Explains Libby had a chance to tell the truth. He is repeatedly saying "the truth would be" and listing who he had a conversation with about Plame and Wilson up on the powerpoint.
The Truth Would Be
The Truth Would Be
The Truth Would Be
It's all up there on a blue screen (hey, Michigan Wolverine colors!! maize and blue!)
There are eleven "The Truth Would Be" bullets up there, listing Cheney, Grossman, Grenier, Schmall, Martin, Miller, Ari, Miller, Addington, Cooper, Miller.
Talks about WH telling everyone anyone would be involved would be fired.
The defendant lied. He made up a story. He told the story that he wasn't relying on any of the information he heard from government officials. He relied on information he got from reporters
VP notes–Libby knew that note was in his file. But he wiped it out.
His story was essentially this. Learned it from Russert. I don't know this. Passed it on to other reporters.
Russert will walk into this court room, swear to an oath, and testify. He will testify that he did not tell the defendant. He will tell you that he did not ask the defendant about Plame. Russert will tell you that he didn't tell Libby that all the reporters knew of Plame.
One journalist who on July 10 did not know Plame worked at the CIA–Tim Russert.
Defendant told Ari the same information he was taken aback to learn.
And even if it had happened, he couldn't be surprised.
January 2004, Federal GJ investigation began.
Talks about the GJ investigation.
Geez- I don't see Fitz (I've only now looked up for the first time!), he must be away from the lawyer's podium!
Fitz describing that LIbby had counsel, was advised of his rights, swore to tell the truth, and violated that oath repeatedly.
You will hear that testimony during this trial. That was both transcribed.
Play for you the charged statements. Tape recording!!!
Focus on this testimony.
The evidence will show that he never talked to Russert about Wilson's wife.
11:25
Playing Libby's GJ testimony. Libby's voice sounds kind of juvenile, as if his voice has just changed. It is slow, it sounds very deliberate to my admittedly biased mind.
Libby goes back to say, discussion off the record.
The transcript is going up on the screen, highlighted. He has had to go back and correct himself twice.
About 2 minutes of this.
Now back to Fitz. You'll also learn that defendant charged with lying about what he told reporters Cooper and Miller. The other half of telling reporters that he had learned of this from reporters.
10 mintues break.
11:28
Jury coming back in.
"It's me again, if you can indulge me for just ten more minutes, I'll be done."
Playing Libby's testimony on Cooper.
A second batch of testimony.
"It was a fact, it was a fact"
Libby sounds kind of snake-like when he says "fact."
Then when he says "That's how I did it." he sounds more cautious.
Now we'll hear a question that came from a grand juror.
If you didn't understand the info to be classified, why is it that you were so careful to tell other reporters that you didn't know?
Libby: It wasn't coming from me.
What I was telling them was that I didn't know Mr. Wilson. I didn't know he had a wife.
[This passage has shown up in testimony before--what is new is that we didn't know that the question came from a grand juror. Also, though, I think this will introduce a third thing on which Libby lied about wrt Cooper--that he didn't know that Wilson had a wife.]
The defendant knowingly and intentionally lied. The defendant is not charged with having a bad memory. The defendant knowingly lied.
Naming off the counts he is guilt about.
Doesn't say much about obstruction.
Appeals to common sense.
You all have a lifetime of experience in sizing people up.
I submit to you, if you keep an open mind during this trial if you follow the isntructions of the law that Walton will give to you and apply your common sense, you will be convinced.
10:47



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FITZ!
Snoopy dancing! ;-)
Let the beatings begin…….
I’ve got the butterfly’s in the stomach thing going on here.
It’s going to be awefully difficult for me to get any work done today.
Let’s roll!!
God, I’m so nervous, I want to get up and pace like Fitz and Wells.
Go, Fitzie!
Now you have me pacing! Thanks!!
EPUd:
OT: Eureka Springs and Rayne raised questions re the Asst. US Attorney for Alaska here at fdl yesterday. ES was wondering whether or not the AK US Atty is under fire for the FBI investigations up here, which are ongoing.
The DOJ AK corruption investigation is being run out of the DC office. Alice Fisher was in charge until her promotion to head the DOJ criminal division. The AK Atty job appears to currently be open:
http://www.usdoj.gov/oarm/jobs…..aska08.htm
lisadawn82 @ 4
And today, of all days, I have to leave my computer and go do some other stuff; yesterday I could have just stayed glued to it, dammit. *grumble stupidvoirdire grumble*
I might throw up. I’m so nervous…
Pat_AlexVA @ 10
please don’t. It would be awfully hard to clean the keyboard.
Pat_AlexVA @ 10
Thanks for the spew alert. *g*
GAME. ON.
Taking a deep breath, and sending all good thoughts from the Left Coast to the tall man in the rumpled suit…
-S
Damn, I hope I’m not as busy as yesterday.
I couldn’t keep up .
Today
is
the
day.
FITZ!
Fitz – May the Force be with you.
FDL-ers – Truly grateful and appreciative for being our eyes and ears. Thank you all.
!!!
Go Team Fitz beat Team Lying Corrupt War-Mongering Libby.
RevDeb @ 11
Especially because it’s a notebook computer. Can’t just unplug it.
I want Ryan Gosling to play Fitz in the movie.
wow … we have waited for this moment for a very long time
Marcy, I don’t think every 15 minutes is going to work – surely you could do updates every 10 minutes, at least? We’re already jonesing here. *g*
I am sure we will accidentally kill the servers today. It is a real struggle to not refresh every 2 seconds.
Emptywheel says:
“Talked to more than one reporter about Wilson’s wife working at CIA. Gave into to WH press secretary. When the GJ asked questions, the defendant lied.”
Anybody understand this comment?
SurelThe Nefarious Leslie @ 22
Surely you meant to say every 2 minutes. Every 15? That is cruel and unusual punishment.
If I’m reading Marcy right, Fitz is going big.
GO TEAM FDL !!!
Kevin J above – lmao !!! poifect !
Noted Film Historian David Ehrenstein, dahlin’ I must insist that John Cusack play Fitz ;)
1×2×6!
ccmask @ 28
Upside Libby’s head.
FDL! Only here, only now, in the land of the free, could this take place. I hope and pray (be still, my beating heart) that we can throw these treasonous a**h*l*s (Libby, et al) into jail for a loong time.
I hope the NSA is taking this all down, so there is no mistake what’s happening here.
Christy, Pach, EW, thank you so much for this opportunity.
Richmond @
25
Yes, I do mean every 2 minutes, but I’m trying to appear reasonable!
Neil Flynn, a former Chicago stage actor who is now on the TV show Scrubs, would be a great Fitz.
Muzzy @
26
Sure sounds like it.
May the Fitz be with you all!
Pax et Bonum @ 32
Who does he play? I haven’t seen the show in a while.
neil @
24
I assumed it was a typo – gave *info* ?
EmptyWheel,
Are the Wilsons in the courtroom?
neil @ 24
I suspect Emptywheel meant to type: “Gave info(rmation) to WH press secretary.”
must be “gave inFo to press secy. Now we know why Ari’s here- Libby told him that Plame was an agent.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 35
The janitor.
I think that Fitz should play Fitz.
To give people something to do; I found a website with pics. of Fitz visiting Irish relatives a while back when my OCD on this thing was particularly intense. Let’s go to Ireland–
http://www.dingle-region.com/sppatrick.htm
neil @
24
It means Ari is going to testify against him. I assume Ari had a security clearance, so a disclosure to Ari wouldn’t be a crime per se, but if he told Ari that he leaked her identity, he could be sunk. (Not sure how the hearsay rules would work here, though, but I would asssume it’d be allowed.) Best guess is that this means that Ari was #1 in the 1×2×6 story. This has been widely-assumed, but many of us were hoping against hope that it was Cathie Martin.
listening to a video of Fitz & Lead Prosecutor Collins commenting on Gov. Ryan’s conviction last spring – both of them state and reiterate (paraphrasing)’when people lie to us, shred documents, that is the one thing that makes us work harder, give up what’s left of our personal lives these past seven years’ – oooh me likey
Terry Olson
thinking they are potential witnesses, wouldn’t think the Wilsons are in the courtroom
Pax et Bonum @
39
That’s who I thought you meant. Yeah, he’d be good.
How is FItz demeanor? What is the jury’s reaction?
Jane S. @ 41
Interesting. Dingle is one of the Gaeltachta–the enclaves (mostly on Ireland’s western coast) where many still speak Irish as a first language. The numbers are declining, but still, one wonders whether Fitz has had the chance to learn a little Gaelige.
Wasn’t his Mom from there, in which case, he might have a little from the mother tongue?
Reading Marcy’s “dictation” it sounds like Fitz is going really big.
WooHoo!
Jane S. @ 47
I do wonder.
I’m refreshing at 11:02 to stagger this for the servers.
EvilDrPuma @ 46
He did. Both his parents were first-generation immigrants, as you probably know. There was a profile, one of many done at the time, that mentioned when Fitz first came to Chicago, he helped a mob investigation by translating some Gaelic that they had on a taped phone conversation.
Going big;
This is NUTS! Fitzgerald must have all the goods.
I thought Wilson told us last week that him and Val were going to keep a low profile…
1 X 2 X 6 Fitz!!
Well, if the 16 words are up on a screen, I think we can assume that Fitz is going big. Sounds like he’s being very clear, too. How will the MSM screw this one up?
Fitz is a true rennaisance man. I read the Vanity Fair piece which discussed his background. I think the Dingle relatives are on the mother’s side.
Hi Jane! If you’re out there reading!
The Nefarious Leslie @ 51
Very interesting! Not a common language, even among Irish immigrants’ children.
Bustednuckles @
53
Doesn’t that refer to proving Libby lied, though? That’s what I’m thinking.
proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Libby lied- not that there were wmd!
Terry Olson says:
Amb. Joe Wilson posted here last week. He said they would not be making an appearance in court but he would follow the trail closely.
I guess I have to learn to manage my time better….go walk the dog, do some dishes, “stomach turning”….go get’m Tigers!
…so much to read!
—
Can someone try getting in here on a spare machine/connection?
Just had a very weird redirect to ’scuttle’? w/login (using firefox/xp and FDL bookmark). Other wise page just a light green background. STRANGE. Don’t wanna ‘break’ my own connection to see. Never seen/been there before.
No tin-foil, yet…
Jane S. @ 57
Sounds like it’s his father’s side. From the article linked upthread:
you guys are gonna be envious
today is my birthday, I get to remember the beginning of the trial by remembering the day I was born
OMG, this is so great. Now to read it!
A kajillion thanks, Marcy. In a more noble era,
you would have already been made a Minister of Intelligent Intelligence …
I am trying to imagine what is going on in Redd’s head at the moment. Sitting right there. Watching and listening to these delicious words coming out of Fitz’s mouth.
“Defendant inserted himself at dealing with the press, at the direction of VP.”
Huzzah !
Oh Jeez. If someone wants to make some cash, how about a poster sized timeline we can hang on our wall and annotate?
I read the opening, and I need a timeline poster…
Ari was dirty- so he flipped- and on a fellow dolphins fan too!
In his high school years at Regis, Fitz played the accordian (or some variant thereof), competed in and won international competitions playing traditional Irish music. Whats more, he was shy about it and about his success.
Room with a view sees – Prez chopper buzzing back into DC from Camp David study hall for speech tonight.
Ambassador, I’m guessing that you’re lurking here today . . .
Thank you, sir, for speaking truth to power, and for speaking with authority.
This is the “Next Hurrah.” The Wall St. Urinal leaking all of ‘Deadeyes’ bright and shiny objects. I didn’t know Skoots was a Mark Rich attorney(musta had a stable full cause the barnyards wafting clear out west). E.W. seriously, you rock!
I’m glad Emptywheel is doing the transcribing b/c she knows these facts as well as Fitz. But I worry this is hard for the jury to follow–do they get to take notes? I apologize if that that info. is found in the jury instructions. I skipped over them because I really needed to clean a bathroom.
Yaayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!
Cheney is looking to provoke Iran
Sorry for the off topic post
Emptywheel, you da bomb sweetie.
This trial will prove for once and for all, that the newspaper people involved don’t work for a living. They are puppets not gumshoes!
Jane S., I would think the jury would get to take notes. When I was on jury duty we each had a notebook assigned to us, but we were required to leave it in the courtroom when we finished for the day.
I never would have thought reading this blog two years ago that “we” would be in the courtroom too. What an amazing couple years.
You do realize what’s next: a Blogger in the House or Senate. Now that’s transparency!
Peterr @ 73
Hear, hear.
Wonder if President 28% is listenin in? You there Clusterfuck? You should be busy practicing yer screw up fer tonight!
This is an important point for the prosecutoir to hammer home, over and over. It encorporates the defense’s “too busy to remember” story and ties it up in a bow.
rwcole @ 71
So should he be called Flipper?
Peterr @ 73
“Ambassador, I’m guessing that you’re lurking here today . . .
Thank you, sir, for speaking truth to power, and for speaking with authority.”
.
Thank You Joe, you are a hero for your courage.
.
I’d like an opinion on the affectiveness of fitz, the expressions, if the gravity of what was done is protraid well
So what’s going to be page 1 tomorrow? SOTU, trial, or both?
Mary @ 16
Same here. Thanks so much for this FDL.
Walton said the jury can take notes, but that they shouldn’t try to “transcribe” testimony. Notes will be destroyed after deliberations.
Well now Scottie, you lying sack of shit.
Why is he not under indictment?
Bustednuckles @ 92
No doubt he cooperated like a good little Scottie.
Man, there’s got to be mass puckering in DC today. Bush is at an all time low, and the trial begins.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 81
I think some judges allow it; some don’t. You would think here he would allow it because of how complicated it is.
Bustednuckles @ 92
Presumably because he folded like an origami swan and told all this to the GJ.
Happy Birthday Perris !!!
how thoughtful of our Patrick to giftwrap it beautifully for ya – grip it and rip it !
Oops. Scottie is going to be on the record as a known liar. That is a real feather in his cap for the right wing. He should be able to demand top dollar now.
Maybe and Ollie North, G. Gordon Liddy, Scottie McClellan show on FAUX SNOOZE.
-GSD
Cheney must have briefed Bushie, this goes all
the way to Liar-in-Chief.
Jack
GSD @ 98
“The ‘Oh, Really?’ Factor.”
Ari the Flipper meets Scottie the Weasel meets Tony the Knife.
-GSD
EW– Re not seeing PJF, he’s probably directly in front of the jury box, and not at the podium. I think this is a commmon tactic lawyers use during opening and closing statements.
oh man. Reference to Bush.
“Describes things getting hotter during the Fall with the investigation. Another firestorm. The President was being asked questions about investigation.”
Wonder if Bush bothered to ask his closest aids what the HELL was going on.
“Conversations,” plural?
I think we’re talking dinner here… ;)
Dear Jane, Christie, emptywheel, pach, jeralyn, and all the ships at sea,
(keeping the show tunes theme going)…Look at me, I’m as nervous as a kitten up a tree! Butterflies, pacing, tension headache, hyperventilating, palpitating, and Fitz has barely started. Be of good cheer everyone. And, Jane, get well, soon!
I get outraged when I hear how involved the whole herd of em were- and the only one to even get indicted is this little sack of shit!!
GRRRRRR
Cheney should be in the dock!
☆☆JOE WILSON☆☆
☆☆☆FITZ☆☆☆
☆❋❂✿EMPTYWHEEL☆❋❂✿
♡♡♡FDL♡♡♡
☞☹☁OVP☁☹☜
The New Yorker website has a new article about the Libby case:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/yt3u98
[Snip]
“It’s a good thing that you’re unlikely to be approached by a small, inquisitive child who wants an explanation of the trial of Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Vice-President Cheney’s former chief of staff, because what would you say?”
[Continues at website]
I will not get much work done today, but worked like a dog yesterday & all last week to get ahead. That way when I come down with a bug (or something)for a couple of days next week, I won’t feel guilty.
Thanks Empty, Christy & Pach!
Thanks so much for the play-by-play, and I particularly appreciate you taking the time to bold or comment on new/significant details, emptywheel.
I too appreciate the irony of this trial beginning on the same day as the President’s State of the Union address. I was happy to read that PJF’s opening remarks were broad enough in scope to feature the infamous 16 words in his Powerpoint presentation. HOORAY for justice!
Thanks to all of you for helping pass the time between 15 minute refreshes. Here’s a link to a WONDERFUL first-time video blogger’s bit on impeachment:
lonelydem07
Very entertaining!
Go, PJF and team!!
Nan
First parts up at least to 11:04 reporting looks/sounds a lot like a defacto conspiracy. IANAL, though.
And a dart in the direction of OVP, and OO.
So here’s a question, if Fitz is emphatically saying that Scoots was NOT a source for Novak, then who leaked Plame’s status to Novak? Ari maybe? Perhaps that’s why he’s immunized?
I can see the defense trying to make hay of this if true. Not that it matters a whit with regards as to what Scoots is charged with, but they’ll start with the whole “this investigation was supposed to be about the Novak leak” angle.
Ray Duray @ 107
“Well, what it all boils down to is that a bad man became President, and all of the people who work for him are bad people too. And they lied and hurt people, because they are all rat-faced bastards. And all rat-faced bastards must suck the pipe.”
“VP notes–Libby knew that note was in his file. But he wiped it out.”
So…. didn’t get that file completely deleted after all, did ya?
I have to disagree with the “go big” and “go small” classifications. IMHO “Go big” was discarded a long time ago with the decision not to purse the IIPA and (later) not to indict Rove.
The choice for Fitzgerald was “hyperfocused” or “bigger picture”. Hyperfocused would have been something along the lines of, these FBI agents talked to Libby, they went back 3 times and asked if he wanted to revise his statement, this e-mail shows that the statement was known to be incorrect, then reference this attempt to delete the e-mail. Just a small, narrow, mechanical violation of the law.
Bigger picture is to put it all in context and let the jury decide the narrower issue in that context. Somewhat more dangerous as it allows the defense to throw a lot of sand and smoke (and possibly get to greymail). But opens a much wider window for both the public today and historians in the future.
Cranky
I am mesmerized by this account. It’s the most fascinating report I have seen on the internet. Wow!
MSNBC is doing a great job on the runup to the SOTU speech but I’m afraid I’ll just have to tape it until I have read every single word of your post. If there were a Pulitzer for a web blog you would win hands down.
Also, why isn’t anyone talking about censuring Bush?
Pax et Bonum @ 91
Thanks for this information!
Just a quick OT.
As we rightfully focus on our domestic issues looks like the world is going to hell in a handbag.
*Clashes in Lebanon
*Mass abuductions in Nigeria
*Protests over journalist killing in Turkey
*Another chopper down in Iraq(civilian) and arrests of 600 of Al Sadr’s followers
*Israeli Pres faces rape charges(not Olmert, Katsev)
*Bombings in Afghanistan
Now back to Fitz.
-GSD
Libby, not Fitz, right?
Swopa @ 103
Nah. You buy me dinner I buy you a beer. Conversations includes Dickerson. There aren’t even enough other journalists included to make Ari 2.
I’m dead serious about my timeline comment… How about an FDL “poster timeline” sale? Marcy’s got to be going crazy. While live blogging, surely you want to update your own notes and connect missing dots.
neil @ 118
Yes, Libby. All you hear on the tape is Libby talking, no one interacting with him.
neil @
38 downstairs
I keep thinking about jr. & tonite’s speech, in re same sorta situation. Betting he feels hung-out-to-dry, as it were, after no-doubt being promised a free ride to fame ‘n glory at the beginning of this reign. Keep wanting to ask him, “How’s that workin’ out? Havin’ fun yet?” Not that I feel the slightest ping of pity for the chap. Impeachments still sound totally proper to me… Golly we old people can be stubborn(!) ;->
Find the immunized witness contest – Any educated guesses yet?
Alot depends on how much coverage this trial gets, but think about it.
As Bush sinks to Nixonian levels of negative approval, the sundry phony reasons for starting this very unpopular war are going to be bandied about a courtroom and pushed back into the public domain.
It is all about the war dammit.
-GSD
Emptywheel–You are a star. I know that you perhaps deserve a break and may be frantically reading comments. A quick note on Fitz’s demeanor as others have asked.
You mentioned his voice sounded nervous. I was trying to remember in the presser. I think he started nervous and then suddently became the most compelling person I’ve ever listened to. Please say that is happening here today.
So, should I recant all of those nasty things I used to say about Ari Flyshit, or is he still just flyshit man? This rocks, we have waited a long time for this unveiling of ovp bullshit, and the smell is going to disturb the nation. Thank you firepups for all your hard work and pereseverance, which furthers
Fitz is doing a great job of (a) laying out the basic landscape of the crime, and (b) using the language of “truth-telling” to do it.
What sounds like a very clear and forceful tour of the case by Fitz must have been in great contrast to the recording of Libby. Until Irving takes the stand himself – in the defense part of the trial (second half) – the recording of his voice is going to echo in the jurors’ ears.
I’m also guessing that after hearing himself like this (talk about an out of body experience!), Irving isn’t looking forward to making a sequel: “Conversations With Fitz: For All The Marbles.”
So, Fitz estimated he’d take an hour, and it’s been almost that now. Is he done, Marcy, or is this just a break before he resumes his opening?
Today has a sort of “god father” sort of feel to it. IIRC, there’s scene where there is a wedding going on, and people are getting whacked. Today has that sort of feel to it.
BTW – It’s probably a good idea to treat today like a “Friday 5:00pm” news cycle. If the Admin wants to bury some news, today’s a good day to release it.
Pat_AlexVA @ 129
Is it a wedding or a christening?
David Corn and I trying to explain that there are two new pieces of info:
1) Dick wrote soemthing down on Libby’s FAll 2003 talking points to make sure they happened.
2) Libby has his own copy of Wilson’s op-ed, which he underlined.
It seems Corn and I agree, everyone else thinks this is not new.
I am just in awe of Fitz and FDL today. I can’t say thank you enough for liveblogging the trial.
I hate to ask for more, since you are already providing a fantastic window into a huge and complex proceeding, but I would love to hear about any juicy comments from the msm reporters stationed in the media room. (The mention of the media reaction to Walton’s instructions about the alternates got me greedy.)
Thank you again. I feel more hopeful today than I have in a long time. “Truth and justice” sounds so corny, but it might really happen.
This should be nominated for the Best Blog Post in Human History(tm) by the way…
Cranky
That might stick in some people’s ‘memory’.
Nice. Thanks, emptywheel.
Keep them fingers floatin’ like a butterfly…you know the rest.
ps–> can’t wait for ‘missing’ or ‘unarchived’ emails to appear. What, around 200? Is there an exact figure/count?
Cranky Observer @ 133
I second the nomination.
Sixteen words:
“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.”
The live-blogging is, shall we say, riveting. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I hope and pray that those sixteen words, a lie spoken by the President of the United States during a State of the Union address, bring down this corrupt, immoral, and criminal administration.
I think I see the strategy. Fitz begins with one liar, and tugs on that thread just enough so that the whole web unravels. After that, it’ll be like shootin’ fish in a barrel.
GREAT TOPIC!!! I wish I had an informed guess.
Reminds me of the related topic, Find the hidden agenda.
Pat_AlexVA @ 130
*shudder*
immunized witness = Ari (?)
Oooh, making breaking new on MSNBC about dick’s involvement. Tee-hee!
Pat_AlexVA @ 129
Jane S. @ 131
A christening – the bit at the end where Michael is at his sister’s baby’s christening, while all his rivals are getting whacked.
Fitz went right for the body blows.
Scooters ribs are hurting.
Several interesting bits already.
No Libby Russert conversation is big,IMO.
This certainly is looking like a conspiracy to my eyes.
Cheney obviouly planned and directed this whole attack on the Wilsons- Rove was involved in it- as was half the fuckin White House- and Libby’s the only one asked to take a haircut…
Come on Fitz- where are the conspiracy charges? Pisses me off!
Great job! I look forward to the defense’s opening statement. Interesting that the defense’s opening statements are broken up into two parts. The defense better hope that they can keep the jury focus from both parts of their opening statements.
emptywheel @
132
EW, you are doing a terrific job, thanks so much!!! I hope someone recognizes you and the other FDLers for this coverage!
Regarding the above, even Shuster is disagreeing with you? I’m pretty sure we’ve never heard of any written talking points aboard AF2 (and does this mean that Fitz has them and will introduce them into evidence?). I’m not surprised that Libby had his own oped which he underlined, though, that might have been the copy that Fitz included in his brief (it was underlined IIRC).
emptywheel @ 120
Yeah, right, and Michigan’s still got a chance to come back against USC. ;)
(Did I ever tell you that I’m originally from L.A.?)
Rove seems to be missing in this narrative. How significant is that? And why?
Corn and emptywheel, the two smartest people in the press room.
More on Pat and music, from Dingle article upthread:
btw, the photos on that page don’t show up for me – anyone else having the same problem?
Adie @ 138
I cant’ imitate screenwriters but isn’t something like:
“4 Years after the SOTU that brought them down, a politically crippled and unpopular President rehearses a new SOTU that will no doubt cause further dissatisfaction. Meanwhile a brilliant, handsome prosecutor single handedly takes down the Vice President of The United States just a few miles away…”
lina @ 140
betcha nailed it ;->
It’s going to be very interesting having FDL bloggers influencing the media coverage. Being in the room, having been exposed to the big picture all along.
Adie @ 151
That’s where I’d go too.
rwcole @ 144
Same place the charges against George Ryan were at the beginning of that six-year investigation – down the road. That’s how this works.
“What I was telling them was that I didn’t know Mr. Wilson. I didn’t know he had a wife.”
Also pretty much Cheney’s position on MTP, not at all believable IMO, I wonder if they worked together on strategy.
I can hear the mandolin playing now.
-GSD
Pat_AlexVA @ 153
It is THE best!
emptywheel is busy getting all the courtroom action written into the post but is there a second FDL person in the media room who might post some of this in the comments? Just an idea.
rwcole @ 144
easy, big fella….
don’t want you collapsin’ in the stretch & missin’ all the fun…
Would love to see a list of all the lurking eyeballs in here located within the Beltway right about NOW! LOL
Shoutout to my peeps at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue!
MSNBC is reporting about the trial now FYI
Ari is the immunized witness (?) It kinda makes sense. Fitz implies he said stuff to reporters that he probably shouldn’t have. He left his position right after the shit started to hit the fan. (yeah, yeah, he was scheduled to leave anyway but it did seem rather unexpected nonetheless) Did he have a sudden attack of conscience or did he realize that he had been set up to take the fall?
Last update, and now Fitz is done – but what a finish. That second piece of Libby GJ testimony . . . ouch.
The fact that Libby lied and obstructed when he was asked a question in the GJ room from a juror, not Fitz – that’s got to make all the current members of the jury sit up and take notice. When I speculated on LHP’s Opening Statements thread about Fitz emphasizing to the jury that Irving’s lies were told to ordinary folks like themselves, I never dreamed of him doing it like this!
Wow.
MSNBC–SP Fitzgerald: VP Cheney deeply involved in CIA Leak
LIFE IS GOOD!!!!!
My only comment?
FUCKIN’ A!!!
Valerie @ 162
Valerie, are they spinning?
Straight shooter.
The defendant knowingly and intentionally lied. The defendant is not charged with having a bad memory. The defendant knowingly lied.
You all have a lifetime of experience in sizing people up.
I submit to you, if you keep an open mind during this trial if you follow the isntructions of the law that Walton will give to you and apply your common sense, you will be convinced.
LindyH @ 167
NO!!! They are burying Cheney!
“Defendant is not charged with having a bad memory.” A single bullet, straight through Libby’s defense.
Ya done good, Fitzie.
kristinejoy @ 158
with 25,000,000 pairs of eyes & ears…
& they dare to say there’s no editing & proofreading on the blogs….
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAcoughcoughsplutter..
- ahem -
s’cuse mr. rustyrt, sir…
might i have a word with ye? ;->
Some more last minute changes to the SOTU address might be in order if you still hold out any hope that POTUS will be the lead story tomorrow. :)
klyde @ 78
Tragically – it is SO on topic!
My God this is incredible. Thank you FDL and Arianna. FITZ FITZ FITZ
The evening news tonight should be the overshadowing of tonight’s speech by the revelation that the Vice President was deeply involving in leaking classified information to cover up the lies they told to sell the war, the one that Bush will reiterate he is escalating tonight…
A girl can dream.
Marcy, you are vindicated! MSNBC is acting all surprised that Cheney’s involved in this.
Yay for you!
did someone say show tunes ?!?!? got a special SOTU edition for Christy later
jeepers – just seeing the words “VP Cheney deeply involved” on the teevee screen is like a 5 pound box of Godiva – good god, what’ll it be like when y’all liveblog Cheney’s Blue Dress ?!?!?
My husband is a law professor. I told him every student at his school should be reading this blogging of the trial so that they see how it is done.
Valerie @ 169
screwdriver or post-hole digger? can’t see from ‘ere.
Friends, Firedogs, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Scooter, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
This can’t be so with Scooter. The noble Fitz
Hath told you Scooter was fradulent:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously will Scooter answer it.
Bombshells
Watergate
Cheney shoud resign… worse than Agnew
” Remember Dick, health reasons, got it?”
Adie @ 139
“Today I settled all Family business, so don’t tell me you’re innocent, Carlo.”
Don Michael Corleone to Carlo Rizzi
The Godfather
I haven’t been keeping up with all the comments, just the TERRIFIC updates, so this may have been asked before.
How is it that Fitz knows there was a note from Cheney that was destroyed by Libby? Surely, Libby wouldn’t have said anything about it.
Who else would have known about it, and mentioned its existence?
BTW, Alter just said that’s he’s very surprised that at a minimum Cheney was not named as an un-indicted co-conspirator.
You and me both.
Cheney is in his office right now saying, “Out damn spot.” He is very dirty and he can’t get the blood off his hands.
lilnubber @ 176
thanks to all for the MSNBC info…. especially appreciated for those of us w/o cable TV. please keep the coverage coming…
New thread, guys!
Fitzmas @ 172
might th’ boy’s handlers be grateful for small favours, ‘n just leave it as is?
Jane S. @ 183
Cheney used to get off on having blood on his hands…
Valerie @ 168
And he will be sitting right behind W tonight. If a picture is worth 1000 words, then guilt by association will be reemphasized a thousand times over.
I’ll bet Bush wishes he were in Crawford now. Or Paraguay.
cbl @ 177
Thanks for that, I am still laughing. HOW TRUE!
EvilDrPuma @ 189
Good point. He did, after all, shoot a man in the face.
How literally do you mean setup to take the fall? Can you explain a little more. Just curious.
What we are not interested in is another war in the region,” Mohammed al-Naqbi, who heads the Gulf Negotiations Center, told Burns. “Iraq is your problem, not the problem of the Arabs. You destroyed a country that had institutions. You handed that country to Iran. Now you are crying to Europe and the Arabs to help you out of this mess.”
MSNBC reporting at about 11:45 EST:
First interviewed Schuster. He thought most significant and new was the VP told Libby how to handle the Wilson issue, and how to keep the story straight. Fritz showing the motivation was to protect the VP. Libby destroyed notes prior to testimony to keep record consistent with what he was going to say.
Then Jonathon Alter: He said Fritz claimed facts show the VP ordered staff to disclose identity of CIA agent, and the VP was more personally involved than press releases indicated.
Bay State Librul @ 181
now now. no need for piling on. it’s early yet.
a good wine should be savoured. ;->
YES! Libby’s lies to the GJ are lies to the trial jury… and lies to the people. Could the people have hoped for a better voice than Patrick Fitzgerald?
new thread
OMG!
A whole lotta quail may have to suffer to make up for this.
Can we warn ‘em?
Is there a carrier pigeon in the house?
Fer the luvva – Lock the gun cabinet Lynne!
“Breaking news
Special Prosecutor: VP Cheney Deeply Involved in CIA Leak”
Ya think Cheney is mad now?
mc @
190
And polished, professional, dignified, intelligent, mature Nancy Pelosi will preside over all! What a study in contrasts. What will the applause (or lack thereof) be like?
Jane, we are so proud of what you have done for America. Jane Hamsher and FDL will be in my grandchildren’s historybooks. jeez, I’m tearing up.
And if they are good, I will tell them (again) about how their grandma was there when Jane and Christy and emptywheel and all the firedogs saved the country, and probably the world.
Thank you, Mr Fitzpatrick, thank you Ambassador and Mrs Wilson. *THIS*, dammit, is what keeping an oath ‘to defend the Constitution’ looks like.
Bustednuckles @ 143
Don’t mess with THE RUGBY MAN!! Body blows..hehe
What’s up with Marcy’s book? It’s not officially out til next week, but are prepublication copies circulating? It might help the press coverage a lot if some copies could be circulated around the press room. Heck maybe it could even help the legal teams. I’m surprised there’s no reviews out except apparently for Matt Stoller’s?
bellesouth @ 200
any reports of doc adjusting the pacer, or at least ordering one-a those lil’ donut pillows for tonite’s sit-down-stand-up?
Paraphrasing some of the hilights for those not able to watch.
“Stunning revelations”
“Cheney was the first person who told Libby about Plame”
“Libby destroyed a note to protect himself/Cheney.”
“Cheney will go down as one of the worst Vice Presidents in history..one notch above Agnew maybe”
“Not able to get into whether the leak broke the law but at the very least people have had their security clearance yanked for less. It was totally inappropriate”
OMG, I just read the earlier comments.
Cheney is going to get impeached if Fitz wins this thing. I love it.
ziggerziggerziggerziggeryziggeryzigzig.zig…zig….zi….?!
none @ 207
so much for savouring that wine.
honey, could you grab ‘nother jug while yer up?
neil @
193
Good question. Sounds like Ari was nudged along to talk to reporters. Maybe they wanted a convenient scapegoat who they knew was on his way out of the WH anyway. They could say, “well, he’s not part of the administration anymore. He’s not on our team.” Maybe they thought the fallout would be self limiting to Ari if there was a problem.
I dunno. Just idle speculation on my part. What’s your take on it?
Mary Alice,
I think Pelosi/Reid are waiting for marches and huge demands for impeachment. The commotion is coming right along.
THANK YOU FDL!
none @ 204
Better fire up the presses & git another batch up in a hurry, yeehaw!
rwcole and hugh, I notice the absence of Rove’s name too. At one point Marcy points out that Fitz doesn’t name Rove as Cooper’s first source (I guess he was?), and the only time Fitz mentioned Rove’s name was when he pointed out that Scottie (McClellan) said Rove was not involved. Makes you wonder why Rove had to make five grand jury appearances.
We’ll have to get Marcy’s and Christy’s take on whether he went “big” or “small”. To me, it seemed when he was giving the background of the whole thing, he was going to go big, but as his argument progressed, it seemed as if it was being narrowed down.
Valerie @
191
“This is a job for (very deeeeep voice) “DARK BLACK!”
On Ari taking the fall:
Given the timing, isn’t that Libby telling Judy to twist the source so it might be tied to the outgoing Ari?
So, do you think Fitz is still on the fence politically? I mean, if the crap he dug up doesn’t make you want to swear off (the current incarnation of) the Republicans, I don’t know what would. I’m guessing he is more of a John Dean type now.
Swopa @ 147
Libby is where Israeli NeoCons puppeteers want him to be, where he can implicate shrub and shooter if puppet does not go along with their master plan, war against Iran…..
Peterr @ 74
I’ll second that!
Brilliant reporting by ‘emptywheel’! Positively, brilliant. Libby is in it up to his eyeballs. But even if convicted, Bush will pardon him. This country is becoming more and more corrupt with Bush and the other neocons at the helm. When they start talking about a ‘new world order’ I start hearing Deutschland Uber Allis in my head. Scary.
drowsy @ 215
Drowsy, very nice!
portia.vz @
210
Sigh, I explained this ages ago… ;-)
Short answer — those “conversations he shouldn’t have had” (as Fitz put it) were overheard, and he got busted for them. So he cut a deal for immunity.
As to why he had those conversations, I don’t think it was a question of scapegoating at that point. In the heat of the moment, they convinced themselves it was okay to spread the word ’cause Novak had already said he was writing a story on Plame. And Ari was just a handy guy to do the legwork. (Though the excuses above may be why they had him do it and not Cathie Martin.)
Jane S. @ 42
Wouldn’t ya figure Fitz’s people are from Dingle. It’s heaven on earth.
Fitz abu !!!!! Go Fitz !!!!
deandra @ 219
Bush can’t pardon if he’s no longer the executive. One can hope, can’t they?
From the Guardian today (via Atrios):
WHAM!
It’s a Cheney-Rove Slugfest!
Who will throw the other under Fitzy’s bus first? Or will they BOTH go down?
deandra @
219
Deandra, if Bush tries that, he immediately drops below 20% in the polls and the REPUBLICANS will start impeachment proceedings. They’re already bailing on his Iraq policy. It won’t take much more for them to turn on him like rats in a slumfire — they’ll need to if they want to have a prayer of surviving the 2008 electoral massacre.
It is so moving to read this, emptywheel, from the sublime distance of California. I think of all the sacrifices people have made to hold this administration accountable. But also of of our freedom to speak out against tyranny, which is fundamentally what is at stake here. You and Jane and Christi and Pach are brave souls.
I’m proud of this community, and proud to bear witness. Keep up your great work.
This is new to me too. I think “everyone else” is lying.
emptywheel @ 132
CBL@#27: Amen to Cusack playing Fitz. Great minds think alike; I was hearing Cusack’s voice during this post. And Cusack is from the Chicago area too.
Phoenix Woman @ 225
But if he pardons him in December 2008, there’s naught to be done.
Pat_AlexVA @ 121
Go for it – source material:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P…..l_timeline
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=4764919
Did Libby and Marc Rich know of the use by Russia including Chubais and Boris Berezovsky to use old academic kompromat files on Stanley Fischer at IMF and Larry Summers at US Treasury to get low interest rate IMF loans in spring 1995?
Did Berezovsky get interests in Russia’s oil and gas in fall 95 in loans for shares as his reward for the idea? Did Clinton profs and Harvard conceal this from USAO Mass investigation of Shleifer and HIID grant for use in Russia? Shleifer hired Chubais in Jan 96 briefly.
Did neocon profs use this as leverage to get the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998 during the Clinton impeachment and hearings on LTCM bailout, IMF loans to Russia, etc? Did they use it during Bush v. Gore? Did Yoo tell Scalia?
Did Libby and Rich use this to get the Marc Rich pardon? Did they conceal that from USAO SDNY investigation of Rich pardon? Above is speculation.
More info here.
Fitz “Cheney told Libby that Plame worked at CIA and AGAINST THE SPREAD OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS”.
Where is that report about the damage done to National Security by this outing? Was it ever finished or released?
InvestHoolia @ 229
Let Fitz convict Libby on all counts. Then let’s hope Bush pardons him. It will create a firestorm the like of which has not been seen since the Saturday Night Massacre. Enter a couple of new high crimes and misdemeanors in the lexicon: (1) abuse of the pardon power and (2) intentional disclosure of intelligence secrets for political retribution. George W. Bush R.I.P.
I have always thought Ari
When Fitz announced the Libby indictment he said “Truth is the engine of our judicial system”. I think he believes this, I sure hope so!
THIS IS SO SIMPLE WHY IS EVERYONE TALKING SO MUCH…BUSH AND CHENEY LIED ABOUT ANY AND ALL THINGS TO GET US INTO IRAQ,THEN THEY THREATENED TO DESTROY ANYONE WHO DARED TO TELL THE TRUTH,WHEN THE THREAT DIDNT WORK,THEY ASSIGNED SOMEONE TO DESTROY THAT PERSON ,USING ANY METHOD THEY WANTED……THEY ORDERED THE PUTING……..NOW LETS IMPEACH,AND PUT BUSH AND CHENEY IN JAIL WHERE THEY BELONG…..OVER 1 AND 1/2 BILLION SEE BOTH AS TERRORISTS,CANT ALL BE WRONG
[Mod Note; we don’t shout in the courtroom. Please do not use ALL CAPS in your comment. Thanks.]
Regardez impeachment….we all should be aware that impeachments can not only be used to REMOVE an executive from office…but also to DENY the “emoulements” of office to that official even if they pre-emptively resign or their term ends.
Thus Bush could still be impeached and convicted for “high crimes and misdemeanors” after his term ends…leaving him without the right to use the benefits of the office of a retired President. No retirement money or health benefits, no Secret Service agents, no use of the Presidential seal, no franking privelege, no office space, no funds to support a Presidential library, no powers to challenge declassification actions, etc.
Seems perfectly reasonable if he is found guilty of involvement in these reprehensible acts.
Bush would thus become the first President “convicted” (although not a “sitting President”) of impeachable crimes.
Emptywheel!
Gorgeous blogging! Masterful opening statement! I am excited.
EvilDrPuma at 180
:)