After a lengthy process today, of strikes and movements and back and forths and ins and outs and…well, let's just say it was a lot of movement. Anyway, we have a jury.
I am not comfortable handing out juror numbers, but I will do some thumbnail descriptions. (From years of dealing with criminal proceedings, I'd prefer to keep descriptions useful but general to be clear on non-identification of the jurors themselves. Just out of habit.)
From my count (and checkng it against the count of others in the media room), I have the following:
9 Women
3 Men
10 Caucasian
2 African American
(And one of the Caucasian women may or may not be Hispanic — there's some uncertainty there.)
That's the jury panel itself. The alternate jurors are summed up as 2 African American women, 1 white woman and one white man.
Not exactly a completely analogous cross-section of DC, but it's the jury nonetheless.
Of the folks in the jury pool (both in the jury and alternates), we have a web architect, an investment banker, a travel agent, a retired math teacher, a consumer protection attorney, someone from HHS, an art curator, the fellow whose former editor was Bob Woodward, someone who works in hotel sales, one person who has formerly served as a jury foreperson in a prior criminal case, someone who does data entry, a retired postal worker, a day care provider, and a juror who formerly worked for the military, then a nonprofit and is now retired.
All in all, a fair slice of America. And hopefully, a pool of folks who can listen closely to the evidence, and make decisions and render a verdict based on the law and the facts. Here are the jurors who will decide the fate of I. Lewis Libby — may they render a just verdict, in accordance with the law.
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Jane Hamsher!
Fitz!
Fitz
Fitz!
Christy Hardin Smith!
Ah, foiled in the quest for comment supremacy again. But still…
Christy!!!
Jane!!!!!
Thanks for doing this – it’s nice to have eyes in the room, so to speak.
Having been in three big jury pools (larger than this one, iirc) in DeeCee, I have to say that the racial composition of this jury is entirely atypical for that jurisdiction’s demographics.
Is anyone else amazed that the Woodward-knower got through and is on this jury? It’s a small town and all, but does this mean that Woodie’s stories may not play such a large role as we thought they would in either the prosecution or the defense?
Thanks again for the birds-eye view, you three are remarkable!
Get well Jane!
I don’t know why we even need a trial. This guy Libby wrecked my apartment. And he doesn’t even have a tatoo on his wrist.
Are our blogger buddies allowed to speak with the not-chosen?
Christy,
Do you think the presence of a juror with trial experience (a foreperson at that) will give that person more influence than they should have? Would you have been happy with that if you were the prosecutor?
(Get well Jane!)
I just gotta “Fitz” before I read.
Comcastic!
. . . of guilty! (bangs gavel) GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!
:-)
Thank you all so very much for the great job of reporting you’ve done today!
emptywheel, CHS, and pach – thanks for the live blogging, an informative experience!
Thank you, Redd! And thanks to Emptywheel and Pach…and my thoughts and prayers are still with Jane.
Question –
Why is it that Wells gets two hours for opening statements tomorrow, but Fitzgerald only gets one? Did the prosecution team have an opportunity for more time, but want less?
I’m with Teddy on this one. I’m surprised that Woodward’s former assistant wasn’t booted.
Pach, you watched him answering questions. Any insight?
OT – Dana Bash reports on CNN: “Republicans are revolting!!!”
So, Christy, is it everything you thought it would be or more? What have you been most surprised by?
Oh, and Jane, Keep the Faith, we’re with you in spirit!
Glorfindel @ 18
They are indeed a “revolting” bunch! ;)
John O and David Ehrene – left you two a comment in EPU land – a couple of posts back.
Nitpicking the spelling up top: it’s identification, not indentification, in the second paragraph.
Looks like an interesting jury. I’m not so worried about the guy who used to work for Woodward as I was about the lawyer who knew everybody and was still giving out the ‘right’ answers.
[Mod note; thanks, P J. Refresh and it should be fixed.
Glorfindel @ 18
I might have chosen ‘disgusting’ but ‘revolting’ is good too.
Sebastian Trump @
13
Amen. :) (Beat me to it!)
I second favoring the female ratio outcome.
Another nitpick on spelling: It’s Caucasian, not Caucasion.
Attempting to get in here early–I don’t think you need the images or changes in them. I would say go with one and save your energy for the content. The images really enhance the weekend pieces and others, but no one who reads you will be interested unless you have got qot a gosh-danger that highlights the content, in my humble opinion.
CNN, timely as usual. I think MSNBC, CBS, NBC and the BBC already ran the “revolting” headline weeks ago. hehe :)
AZ Matt @
21
P J Evans @
23
Christy, sweetie… Love Bug? I think you meant Caucasian.
I am so digging the 9-3 ratio female-male. If it comes down to Martin v. Cheney, this will be very important.
No pressure, but knowing the gender of each person by current job would be helpful; if I have time this evening I’ll see if I can figure that out. The job choice will give some idea of their Myers-Briggs indicator (Pach, you ken me me on this, sabe?) and the reaction they may have to a perceived injustice.
p.s. Marcy: “bubble” = MSM in attendance — but poke whomever it will help most!
RevDeb @
17
That makes at least three of us. I’m also a little surprised that an attorney was selected, although his field does not appear to be related, so I guess that makes a difference.
Guilty.
Glorfindel @
18
And this is news to whom?
Excellent work by the FDL livebloggers on the jury selection. It is perfect irony that the opening statements will occur on the date of the SOTU speech. Bush just can’t catch a break in timing anymore.
My view is that the Libby trial is the anti-Guantanamo. The military commission proceedings there will be the ultimate insult to the American standard of justice. In contrast, Libby is being given every opportunity to refute the charges being brought against, charges which must supported only according to the cherished rules of evidence that will be trashed in Guantanamo. The Libby trial, fairly done to all sides, is what we can show off to the world.
Nice change up on the jury stand pic;)!
The racial make-up of the jury certainly doesn’t match my experience of the demographic make-up of DC. But that was ten years ago, and I understand that DC has both grown and done alot to attract and retain more of the white professionals who previously would commute from Maryland or Virginia.
Maybe Pach or another current resident of the District could comment….
Thanks for all the enlightening blogging!
bugger. In seconding Rayne’s point about favoring the female ratio outcome, I deleted my prior post -Wells might have to contend with jurors battling calorie comas after lunch for the second half of his opening statement.
Swift!
Thread Theorist @ 34
And what will be shown beyond a reasonable doubt is that he LIED. Repeatedly, proactively, and in affirmative detail. He committed perjury which obstructed the administration of justice.
_
OMFG. Who are these people? Obama should see if any of these racist swiftboat articles are being picked up by press in any commonwealth countries with nasty libel laws and then sue the heck out of them there for whatever its worth.
raven @ 37
Warner on CSPAN 2.now.
At least CNN “debunked” itCNN
As an aisde, a NBC reporter just said te scene in the hospital where people were taken after the bombing “looked like a war zone”. . .no shit.
Heard Wolfie puffing up as he talked on the SitRoom about debunking a possible smear campaign against Obama. Doing what serious journalists should do, said he.
Where the hell ya been the last seven years, says I.
And I’d as soon believe the neocons planted this stuff trying to blame HIllary than that the Hillary campaign did it. How ’bout some reporting on that, guys?
“Some bloggers” are saying about the Libby trial “may they render a just verdict, in accordance with the law.”
Jeebus, where DO those DFHs get those crazy ideas?
in case the MSM needs a refresher on what specifically this trial is all about:
UNITED STATES OF AMERCA
v.
I. LEWIS LIBBY,
also known as “SCOOTER LIBBY”
Count 1: Obstruction of Justice
Count 2-3: False Statements
Count 4-5: Perjury
Scooter lied to FBI agents on Oct 14, Nov 26, 2003 – Committed perjury on March 5 and 24, 2004 – Engaged in obstruction of justice by impeding investigation.
October 28, 2005 – The End of the Beginning.
Tomorrow…the beginning of the end.
Best to Jane.
And let’s not forget Sen. Johnson.
raven @ 41
Not from 30,000 feet, according to Rummy, recall? Looked positively bucolic.
My rant to the papers today (probably won’t get printed):
_
Wow. Been away for a few days, attempting to catch up.
So glad you’re home Ms. Hamsher. – wish you speedy recovery.
I dont know where to start. Did you guys EVER think this day would get here??
Of course, that does mean I’m 18 months older than when I found this place.
Been one hell of a ride, hasnt it?
Thanks for the live blogging Christy and Marcy, this is the most exciting “show” ever. :)
Stocked up on popcorn. Let me say this with extra meaning. FITZ!
The occupational make-up is SO unfair to Libby! These are people who have to think and make judgments everyday, who deal with lots of people, coming across both the good and bad, people with some education and experience in the real world. It doesn’t sound like there is an obsessed, zealous ideologue-cultist among them.
Whatever happened to a jury of one’s peers?
mc @ 43
“some bloggers” vs. “bum sloggers” (the lazier elements of the MSM)
Fitzmas @ 44
Please please please let this be a prequel to
UNITED STATES OF AMERCA
v.
GEORGE WALKER BUSH,
also known as “SHRUB”
Fitzmas @ 44
GUILTY.
_
Brian Williams did a nice piece on Jimmy Carter her in Athens this weekend.
Have they scheduled the hanging yet?
rwcole @ 53
Off with his head!
rwcole @ 53
hmm.. of course it has already been established that a Bush-administered hanging is really an accidental decapitation preceded by taunts and proceeded by dancing around the corpse.
The News Hour has a fascinating discussion on presidential politics and the internet with guest Carol Darr from GWU. A brief conversation but powerful aknowledgement of the enormous impact online vs. traditional print and broadcast – specifically in our body politic. Professor Darr has clearly been lurking here at ‘da lake! (g)
Sebastian Trump @
13
Ah, thanks for quoting one of the great Doonesbury strips of the Watergate era, Mark Slackemeyer talking about Attorney General John Mitchell: “It would be a disservice to Mr. Mitchell and his character to prejudge the man, but everything known to date could lead one to conclude he’s guilty.
“That’s GUILTY! GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!!”
And, of course, he was.
Go Fitz.
light a candle
Audj @ 54
The Red Queen strikes again!
Scootah’s mom’s there:
“Don’t hang my Scoots- he’s a good boy- he was only followin orders- hang Fat Dicky!
Mah Scoots couldn’t never remember nothin!”
btw, anybody know Fitz’s conviction rate? I know it must’ve been posted here somewhen…
psst – if you are fixing typos, go change the preemptory on the thread below.
preper[Mod Note; thanks, Mary. Refresh and it should be fixed]
Margot @ 58
Done – thanks for the reminder to relight.
there are simple questions and stupid questions. My stupid questions is — don’t laugh– HOW do you light a candle for Jane. three times I have gone to the page and none of the options says “light a candle.”
Sorry – But Jane please know that in my heart a candle is lit and I keep you in my thoughts.
“mah little scoots usta ferget ta breath lessn we punched him in the ribs”.
While we are all basking in the warmth of the excellent Plame jury-selection coverage….
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Granma J–just click on an unlit candle and it will tell you what to do next.
newspaperbrat @ 63
did you try Wickapedia?
As TradMed “notices” the internets, the model their reporters report on is the topdown, organizationally-driven model. There was an article in WaPo today where Balz and Cillizza wrote about the change they expect from 2006 to 2008 — they’ve been seduced by the Presidential WebAnnouncements into believing that the Consultant Class now understands this medium and will use it to drive business for their candidates. Here’s a sample, about which much is wrong:
First of all, the “macaca” video wasn’t anonymous. Second, the videographer wasn’t “rogue.” Third, any possible understanding of citizen journalism and people-powered capture of events is totally swamped by their inside-the-Beltway bubbleview of campaigns starting to use the internet.
It’s a really striking article for what it reveals about the insiders’ lack of understanding about what’s happening in the realm they are supposedly expert in.
Grandma J – Just click on a candle that is not lit and follow along.
oops, that was for Grandma J
GrandmaJ @ 64
Grandma J, find a candle that is not lit. click on it. then follow the directions.
GrandmaJ — had the same problem earlier, took a bit of poking around to find the “Light a Candle” page.
But here it is, the main entrance — just follow instructions once there.
And the group candle abbreviation to use is “JaneH”.
Don’t burn your fingers! ;-)
GrandmaJ @ 63
Click on an unlit candle, the website will take you step by step after that…. I was puzzled too!
TeddySF – it is so very true they the D.C. media types, even if supposedly on our side, do not understand the internet. As an example, I laughed when I heard Hillary say she would do a online chat and will ‘accept’ questions. Ya, betcha. She will accept the ones that she wants to use.
Come on Hillary, join our conversation. Answers our questions straight on. Not cycled through your advisers.
Is it still $00.03 for donations?
My real candle went out this morning. I think it helped..)
Get well, Jane! Thanks, Christy, Pach, Jeralyn and emptywheel (I hope that’s everybody).
Steve I sent in a few .03 .07 and .00 for good measure. Not sure it really matters at this point.
Steve @ 75
Steve, I am not sure. There was an .07 add-on (IIRC) for Plame House expenses.
Please, anyone. jump right in with the correct info.
The MSM can’t hold a candle to Christy, Marcy and Pach.
Thanks everyone for the help. One candle lit, and will make sure it stays lit.
RE; donations,
Christy said not to worry about adding any .02 etc.
They will figure it out.
Blub @ 61
I recall reading that as a US Attorney, Patrick Fitzgerald has reached conviction for every single indictment a grand jury has handed down.
If true, that is one heck of a testament to his diligence, intellect, and professionalism.
A lot of the jurors appear to have vocations that place a premium on accuracy. That and the
high percentage of women would seem to be favorable to the prosecution.
I am not sure what, if anything, to make of the low percentage of African-Americans.
punaise @ 80
Ahhh the old candleschtick.
Eureka Springs, AR @
86
Punaise is a Cutie Pie! (definitely the first entry…don’t even go to #2)
@ 82..Thanks
GrandmaJ @
75
Liking their TradMed models, they seem happiest when describing the internets as a topdown enterprise, with organizations using it to drive membership, activism, votes, or $. They really don’t seem to understand the distributed, open-source model that is, to me, the real web-revolution. I suppose the dinosaurs didn’t understand the comet either!
Oh, and Hillary isn’t interested in Mac users. I’m certainly not downloading either a pay-to-use player or BillGatesWare in order to participate in her “conversation” — sorry, Hill, you’ve lost me outta the gate!~
I hope we get some inside-Plame-house reporting tonite. I want to know whose nylons are drying over the shower rod! I want to know who leaves the seat up! I want to know who makes her bed in the morning! I want to know who leaves the marmalade lid lying on the kitchen table! I want to know who snores!
TeddySanFran @ 69
It will be very hard for TradMed to understand, much less compete, in a level meritocracy. I look forward to watching, as it can only benefit us all.
newspaperbrat @ 56
Wait just a minute!
Isn’t Carol Darr the person who was pushing for bloggers to have to calculate what percentage of their webpages were dedicated to helping a specific candidate — so that it could be quantified monetarily as a contribution? This was an absurd proposition on its face.
Maybe I’m remembering incorrectly, but if not, then this is the person whom Kos battled repeatedly so that outrageous onerous burdens would not be placed on bloggers.
After all, newspapers don’t have to list endorsements on their editorial pages as campaign contributions!
If I’ve got the person mixed up, somebody please tell me!
Also — has my question at #16 been answered anywhere? Why does Wells get to give 2 hours of opening statements, while Fitzgerald only gives 1 hour?
Anybody know? Christy or emptywheel still here? Pach?
I guess our intrepid reporter/bloggers are braving DeeCee traffic and restaurants now….
Too bad Signatures is closed! (Abramoff’s joint)
Muzzy @ 84
I seem to remember reading that he lost one — or perhaps it was an overturned conviction. It was one of the terrorism cases, IIRC???
But still, it’s an amazing record.
TeddySF (69) — Heh. Thanks for that link to WaPo.
F*ckin’ idiots. They couldn’t even spell Daou’s name correctly, spelled it wrong more than once.
Apparently they really believe that bloggers have no editors and are embracing that concept completely.
They will never understand the concept of “open source community” or “organic collaboration” or “tipping points”.
Does anyone yet have a clue as to whether this trial is exclusively about Libby?
I notice someone has mentioned Hillary above.
urban pirate @ 90
swiftboating = smearytalkracy
TeddySanFran @ 90
I didn’t know you worked for the NYT political reporting team!
Mod: The links to Libby Liveblog: Peremptory Challenges don’t work from SOTG because Peremptory is spelled Preemptory.
[Mod Note; thanks. Refresh your screen and try again.]
I hafta think that today must be very sobering for Scooter: the seating of a jury of one’s peers, with the background of last week’s judge deciding the prosecution recommendations for Ney’s sentencing didn’t go far enough.
I’m also wondering what walls and moats NBC has put up around its reporters covering the Libby trial vs. those called to testify (Andrea Mitchell and Pumpkinhead).
Given the Bush family history of pardoning away embarassing trials, what reason is there to believe that there will be a verdict?
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TeddySanFran @
90
you working for NSA now Teddy?
Rayne @ 95
The entire article has the reek of the LaBrea tarpits about it, no? Obsolete professionals trying hard to grok an incoming replacement New Order.
Irony abounds: what TradMed editor allowed the misspelling of Peter’s name?
Badwater @ 101
Just as soon as Scooty-Scoot gets a pardon, he also gets a subpoena to testify in the civil suit the Wilsons have filed.
He will no longer have any concern about jeopardy, and if he keeps his mouth shut at deposition anyway, he gets a new charge — contempt (?) or some such.
It’s a consolation prize, anyway.
TeddySF — AH-HA!! The LaBrea tarpits!!!
That explains the stench!! Slowly dying and decaying animals caught in a tarry slurry of their own by-products. Perfect analogy!!!
Mrs. K8 @ 105
Perhaps, but that can happen even if he’s found not guilty. Just ask OJ.
Hmmm.
LaBrea Tar Pits….
Wonder what our favorite Tyrannosaurus Rex will have to say about that?
punaise @ 68
punaise you rascal! When I will remember punaise is a synonym for spew alert! :~)
881 candles from 34 countries! Feel the love and energy flow to you, dear Jane!
Badwater –
Of course!
I was just saying that even if there is a pardon, there’s no reason to believe that the story won’t come out anyway. And that puts more nails in the GOP coffin in the eyes of a public already inclined to look at them with a jaundiced eye. Any further proof of sleaze is all to the good.
Scooter (or any other witness) could also be nailed with new charges if they perjure themselves in the civil suit.
I’m just looking for the silver lining in the dark cloud of pardon.
CNN is doing a nice debunking of the Fox News/wingnuttosphere lie about Obama’s early schooling.
Nice job CNN.
-GSD
newspaperbrat @ 108
you trying to start a flame war? :~)
Gads, that WaPo article was written by Cillizza and Balz…I figured they’d have grokked these toobz by now.
Quel dommage.
Justice delayed is justice denied–Get the rope!!
Mrs. K8 @ 110
Like the silver lining of the Nixon Pardon?: Rumsfeld and Cheney looting our country in the next century. No, there’s little good in pardons, Eliot Abrams being another example, also Robert Gates (current SecDef). I’m as “half-full-glass” as the next ‘pup, but the silver in the pardon lining never seems legal tender to me.
TeddySanFran @ 103
just some saber (tooth) rattling by the wooly mammoth MSM
Has Cheney approved the Jury?
Speaking of Daou, Hillary Clinton, who hired him last June, has apparently also brought Judd Legum of Think Progress into the fold. This according to Steve Clemons.
That’s quite a duo.
punaise @ 113
only after a plame victory!
Teddy –
Yes, and I agree with you about the hideous damage pardons have done, and I guess I should have been careful to make clear that this damage is one of those “sins that cry out to heaven.”
There’s one thing different in this case, though. No one filed a civil suit against any of the people you named. None of them were forced to testify, under pain of perjury charges, about their actions.
Dover Bitch @ 119
Hmmm.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 118
He’s reloading.
Rayne @ 113
Cillizza’s Countdown appearances have always had a wiff of the over-eager pundit-ambitious to me — not sure Chris is invested in anything happening outside the Beltway, altho their pre-midterm River Ramble managed not to be condescending. Unfortunately, it was poorly timed, preceding the October shift in public opinion against the GOP. They are both bought into the red/blue dichotomy, but I ascribe that to inside-Beltwayism as well. I always try to lob a softball to Dan when he chatz, but today he took none of mine.
Mrs. K8 @ 92
You have a good memory – Carol Darr is a dangerous woman.
Her motives are sinister.
Here are some links about Carol Darr:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..05955/4498
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…../154426/05
Tremendous class bias. Everyone but 2 or 3 seem middle class or upper middle class, which is very unncharacteristic of DC.,
Elizabeth Crone Dole says that she “just may” break with Clusterfuck on Iraq..she sighs- parts knees slightly- cranes neck- “but then maybe I won’t” she purrs loudly.
…some things never change…
On the January 21 edition of CNN’s This Week at War, contrary to Sen. Joe Lieberman’s (CT) own reported preference, CNN senior national correspondent John Roberts called Lieberman a “Democrat from Connecticut” in claiming that “not all Democrats oppose the president” on the question of a U.S. troop increase in Iraq.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701220007
Speaking of TP, they are highlighting the CNN takedown of the Obama smear.
Madrassa my ass.
-GSD
Pardons? In a way pardons sort of remind of signing statements.
*xyz –
Thank you so much for looking that up!
I barely have time to chat with my FirePup pals here, let alone go dig that up — although to be thorough, I ought to have done so.
You’re a real peach!
rwcole @ 126
Jeesh–that was LOL funny.
-GSD
rwcole @
126
707!!
liddy live-blogging
Bustedknuckles- Testifying could infringe on his war profiteering.
But, but pardons are just so damn healing.
Sort of a bag balm for the masses.
-GSD
Mrs. K8 @ 130
No problem – I’m glad you brought this to our attention.
The sad thing is that so many people who are watching the News Hour will be totally unaware of Carol Darr’s background and motives.
That’s why I love FDL – nothing gets by you folks.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 133
And as we all know, war profiteering = national security.
Wouldn’t surprise me a bit if they try to insinuate that to Henry Waxman.
What…whaaaaaaaaaaaaat…WHATTHEFRACK is Chris Matthews’ obsession with Hillary Clinton?
Catching the second broadcast right now and it’s all Hillary-slam all the time.
Whazzup? Did he make a pass at her back in the day when he was drinkin’ and she taunted him back about his eeny-weeny Tweety petey? Did she block him becoming the Snowjob of the Clinton Admin? Inquiring minds want to know.
And one’s gotta give props to the Clinton campaign team–live one on one on ABC Nightly News…now that’s shock’n’awe. She’s not my choice, but she’s off to one helluva start.
Dover Bitch @ 119
Hillary Clinton wants the best campaign money can buy. It’s more expensive but still easier than standing for something.
Thanks to whoever it was that pointed out the new Hillary ad upstairs.
MWAAAHHAAAAhhhaaaaa.
ccmask @
127
thanks. they’ve heard from me now. i just can’t abide TradMed calling RGJoe a Democrat. it so ‘disrespects’ all the effort we made, and NED’s as well.
*xyz @ 125
Good catch! May explain why her face time was so short and/or she may also be waking up if kos kicked her professorial arse as hard as he is wont to do so well.
Mrs. K8- Luckily people are finally beginning to see through their exploitation of national security.
Dover Bitch @ 119
Is Judd’s middle name Roy by any chance?
It’s clear here. Hillary does stand for something. Winning in ‘08.
Carol Darr’s sinister motive (the one I know about already, anyway) is to neutralize, which is to say “completely destroy,” the people power of the blogosphere.
Teddy,
I’m with you on the Mac connection with Hill. If she wants to tune us out, she’d be missing a huge segment of the top blog world. Remember that we outnumbered the PC’s at YKos?
On another front, Atrios reported that W’s down to 28%!!!!!
For what it’s worth..Bush at 28% on CBS Poll. Tuesday night ain’t going to help that number.
Recent Poll results show that only two americans would rather hear Clusterfuck speak than to get a root canal- and one of em’s named “Barbara”.
Speaking of polls.
Look at the US standing in the world.
Seems to track the Chimp’s approvals rather closely.
Who would have known?
-GSD
rwcole @ 149
Bush not Boxer, I presume?
Just wanted to add my thanks to newspaperbrat, Mrs. K8, and *xyz for the information about Carol Darr. It’s amazing that this gets fleshed out here in a matter of minutes while the venerable NewsHour remains oblivious as usual.
28% eh? That’s bad- that’s VERY bad!
Keith time.
rwcole @ 148.. I am sure Barbara will be the proud mom. She covered up for this psychopath when he was a child and young adult. If she had only committed him when he was blowing up frogs…
Regarding Obama: madrassa (or however it’s transliterated) is simply the Arabic word for ’school,’ and is used in quite a few other languages, including Indonesian, in this generic sense. The word has gained a certain sinister weight it doesn’t really deserve. The whole thing is ridiculous.
Rayne @
31
Hey Rayne- hope you are still reading! I am fascinated by Myers-Briggs bec. it is so telling. However, I myself doubt that it would be possible to take job and work back. For example, the scientists I know are all over the map- INFP, INFJ, ENFP, ENFJ, INSJ…. etc. etc.
rwcole @ 153
Looks good to me.
Ah seen cockroaches more popular than your president!
Hugh @ 139
Senator Clinton has announced that she will not accept public funding for either the primaries or the general campaign. No doubt because she has plenty of corporate cash lined up in an attempt to guarantee she does the will of
sleazy corporate bossesthe people.Dan Whitworth @ 156
Of course it is. And it’s so nice to see that Hillary is going to take the high ground.
RevDeb @ 146
This is just the first of many polls to sink below 30%.
I’ve been waiting for this — and knew it was inevitable.
Myers Briggs? So what’s Clusterfuck?
ENFJ?
Not that I’m any special “seer” — I’m sure y’all knew it was inevitable that Little Boots would sink further beneath the waves of public opinion. Why the pundits don’t see that, well — it’s looking like wilfull blindness, no?
rwcole @ 162
Please don’t insult us NF’s.
rwcole @ 163
FSOB.
We should have a pic of the jury seated but wearing those black detainee hoods the defense supporters are so fond of.
New thread.
EvilDrPuma @ 165
707!
EvilDrPuma @
160
I heard an estimate of a total near half a billion…with a B…billion dollars during her campaign.
my mind is boggled on that.
btw…we miss you, Billmon, wherever you are.
Mrs. K8 @ 146
Yes. She wants to destroy us.
“she wants to destroy us”
Terrorist! Terrorist!!!
*xyz @ 171
I can practically hear her cackling, while rubbing her hands together in glee, “I’ll get you, my pretty…and your little dog, too!”
We need to keep an eye on her.
Before I get to read the new post and the new comments so far, I wanted to ask if anyone has lit a candle for Esten Maxwell. If so, what group name are you using?
rwcole @ 172
She looks like an exhausted old academic in her late second act – to borrow Jane Fonda’s remarkable metaphor.
AHAHA! Richard Clarke on KO – “this administration doesn’t base it’s actions on intelligence”…
if they weren’t talking about spy stuff, it would still be true…
Keith is about to run the SNL skit on Hillary, in case you didn’t catch it on the weekend or earlier today on Matthews or Tucker.
My apologies if this has been answered – will there be a transcript somewhere of Fitz’s opening arguments?
RevDeb @
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Indeed!
oops. wrong thread! deleted on edit. sorry.
Wells is undoubtedly the real deal, but the way the jury pool turned out, Libby and Comstock probably think Wells should get in the background at this point.
Nine women. I was hoping for a jury with mostly women. Women don’t like liars, and if he lied or if anybody gets caught in lies on the witness stand, the jury will be less likely to forgive. Barring muddy waters or some bad judicial rulings, me thinks Mr. Libby will get a fair trial.
only 2 african-americans!! in DC? WOW just WOW!! shocking – but ok now on to the trial – finally??
It appears to me that most of the Jury Women have (or had) professional or semi-professional careers, and just might have some deeper questions about doing damage to a woman’s professional career as a weapon against a Husband, Boyfriend, etc. Whether that Cheney/Libby assumption will be clear to the jury by the end of the trial and the tale of smear, I don’t know. Just the same, it is a very powerful idea, particularly in the case of someone who had to claw their way into a field such as intelligence, so much viewed as a macho world.
InsultComicDog @ 12 says:
I puup on Scooter Libby