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		<title>By: Audj</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/libby-liveblog-jury-instructions-2/#comment-468416</link>
		<dc:creator>Audj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468171&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;portia.vz @ 31 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468153&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @&lt;br /&gt;
                21              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;litigatormom at 20 — I haven’t yet figured out the strategy on making that plausible for the jury as an argument as yet.  Perhaps it will be more of a throw several things at once in terms of raising some deniability and/or doubt and hope that some juror finds it reasonable — the shiny object defense that LHP has discussed in the past?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ok, lemme get this straight.  He was too busy to remember what he was doing.  But then the story busts wide open and he busily tries to keep a lid on it by obstructing justice and sending cryptic mash notes to Judy?  It sounds like either he knew what he was doing at the time he did it or the public s#$%storm sharepened his memory enough for him to want to hide the evidence.    And if it’s the former, then that’s pretty damn bad.  But if it’s the latter, then it’s bad and then some.  What am I missing?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nixon was impeached on the latter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-468171"><em>portia.vz @ 31 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-468153"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @<br />
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<blockquote><p>litigatormom at 20 — I haven’t yet figured out the strategy on making that plausible for the jury as an argument as yet.  Perhaps it will be more of a throw several things at once in terms of raising some deniability and/or doubt and hope that some juror finds it reasonable — the shiny object defense that LHP has discussed in the past?</p>
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<p>Ok, lemme get this straight.  He was too busy to remember what he was doing.  But then the story busts wide open and he busily tries to keep a lid on it by obstructing justice and sending cryptic mash notes to Judy?  It sounds like either he knew what he was doing at the time he did it or the public s#$%storm sharepened his memory enough for him to want to hide the evidence.    And if it’s the former, then that’s pretty damn bad.  But if it’s the latter, then it’s bad and then some.  What am I missing?</p>
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<p>Nixon was impeached on the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Nellieh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/libby-liveblog-jury-instructions-2/#comment-468343</link>
		<dc:creator>Nellieh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468331&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;choochmac @ 93 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468217&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Blub @&lt;br /&gt;
                67              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ah.. time for the requisite pre-Libby Trial and pre-SOTU terrorist alert scare tactic:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Breaking ABCNews - DOCUMENTS SEIZED IN IRAQ REVEAL INSURGENT PLAN FOR ATTACK IN U.S., ABC NEWS’ PIERRE THOMAS HAS LEARNED”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.. of course.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If that’s their strategy, it may backfire this time.  After all aren’t we “fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here?”  If it turns out we WILL we fighting them over here, then the whole thing collapses even under their screwed up logic.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Disn’t this happen before where they trotted out months old information?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-468217"><em>Blub @<br />
                67              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Ah.. time for the requisite pre-Libby Trial and pre-SOTU terrorist alert scare tactic:</p>
<p>“Breaking ABCNews &#8211; DOCUMENTS SEIZED IN IRAQ REVEAL INSURGENT PLAN FOR ATTACK IN U.S., ABC NEWS’ PIERRE THOMAS HAS LEARNED”</p>
<p>.. of course.</p>
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<p>If that’s their strategy, it may backfire this time.  After all aren’t we “fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here?”  If it turns out we WILL we fighting them over here, then the whole thing collapses even under their screwed up logic.</p>
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<p>Disn’t this happen before where they trotted out months old information?</p>
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		<title>By: celdd</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/libby-liveblog-jury-instructions-2/#comment-468341</link>
		<dc:creator>celdd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468254&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bargain Countertenor @ 84 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As far as the who’s gonna be a juror and who’s  gonna be an alternate, the only proper way to do it is to take the 36 potential players, let each side exercise its challenges, and then randomly select four from the remaining pool of 16.  Those four become alternates, the others are the official jury.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BC&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s what happened when I was on a civil trial regarding a dispute of a real estate sale.  14 were selected and all had to pay attention.  After the closing statements, two were supposedly randomly drawn to be the alternates and were dismissed - one was me.  I was suspicious about the randomness of it because the testimony “refreshed” my memory and I had done environmental consulting on the site, which I communicated to the court.  And surprise - I was chosen to be an alternate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>As far as the who’s gonna be a juror and who’s  gonna be an alternate, the only proper way to do it is to take the 36 potential players, let each side exercise its challenges, and then randomly select four from the remaining pool of 16.  Those four become alternates, the others are the official jury.</p>
<p>BC</p>
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<p>That’s what happened when I was on a civil trial regarding a dispute of a real estate sale.  14 were selected and all had to pay attention.  After the closing statements, two were supposedly randomly drawn to be the alternates and were dismissed &#8211; one was me.  I was suspicious about the randomness of it because the testimony “refreshed” my memory and I had done environmental consulting on the site, which I communicated to the court.  And surprise &#8211; I was chosen to be an alternate.</p>
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		<title>By: choochmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/libby-liveblog-jury-instructions-2/#comment-468331</link>
		<dc:creator>choochmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468217&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Blub @&lt;br /&gt;
                67              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ah.. time for the requisite pre-Libby Trial and pre-SOTU terrorist alert scare tactic:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Breaking ABCNews - DOCUMENTS SEIZED IN IRAQ REVEAL INSURGENT PLAN FOR ATTACK IN U.S., ABC NEWS’ PIERRE THOMAS HAS LEARNED”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.. of course.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If that’s their strategy, it may backfire this time.  After all aren’t we “fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here?”  If it turns out we WILL we fighting them over here, then the whole thing collapses even under their screwed up logic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-468217"><em>Blub @<br />
                67              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Ah.. time for the requisite pre-Libby Trial and pre-SOTU terrorist alert scare tactic:</p>
<p>“Breaking ABCNews &#8211; DOCUMENTS SEIZED IN IRAQ REVEAL INSURGENT PLAN FOR ATTACK IN U.S., ABC NEWS’ PIERRE THOMAS HAS LEARNED”</p>
<p>.. of course.</p>
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<p>If that’s their strategy, it may backfire this time.  After all aren’t we “fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here?”  If it turns out we WILL we fighting them over here, then the whole thing collapses even under their screwed up logic.</p>
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		<title>By: pwrlght</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/libby-liveblog-jury-instructions-2/#comment-468324</link>
		<dc:creator>pwrlght</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What’s happening?  Are they back yet?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s happening?  Are they back yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Strategerie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/libby-liveblog-jury-instructions-2/#comment-468300</link>
		<dc:creator>Strategerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468292&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Nellieh @ 90&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468281&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Strategerie @ 89&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nellieh wrote:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&gt;PeeWee Herman as Libby&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or Martin Short.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I got stuck in the toobz the first time around.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You know it’s the role he was born to play — David Spade as Libby. The only actor possibly more annoying could be Al Franken channeling Stuart Smalley as Libby.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-S&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-468292"><em>Nellieh @ 90</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-468281"><em>Strategerie @ 89</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Nellieh wrote:</p>
<p>&gt;PeeWee Herman as Libby</p>
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<p>Or Martin Short.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I got stuck in the toobz the first time around.</p>
<p>You know it’s the role he was born to play — David Spade as Libby. The only actor possibly more annoying could be Al Franken channeling Stuart Smalley as Libby.</p>
<p>“I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.”</p>
<p>-S</p>
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		<title>By: Nellieh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nellieh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468281&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Strategerie @ 89&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nellieh wrote:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&gt;PeeWee Herman as Libby&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or Martin Short.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-468281"><em>Strategerie @ 89</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Nellieh wrote:</p>
<p>&gt;PeeWee Herman as Libby</p>
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<p>Or Martin Short.</p>
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		<title>By: Strategerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strategerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nellieh wrote:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&gt;PeeWee Herman as Libby&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nellieh wrote:</p>
<p>&gt;PeeWee Herman as Libby</p>
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		<title>By: Bargain Countertenor</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/libby-liveblog-jury-instructions-2/#comment-468274</link>
		<dc:creator>Bargain Countertenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468185&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @ 41 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We’re having a very weedy Rule 24 jury selection intricacies argument ongoing at the moment.  The lawyers in the audience will understand what I mean by this — it’s a full out law review-esque minutiae misunderstanding and dissection.  But for the non-lawyers in the group, all those geeky, legalese conversations and nitpicky little detail bits and pieces for which everyone gets peeved about being billed for time?  That’s what we are doing at the moment.  It’s lawyer time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;’scuse, Redd.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With all due respect and all, you all are stompin’ in my pasture now.  This is a question of randomization procedure … Walton should:&lt;br /&gt;
(1) pool the peremptories for jury/alternates;&lt;br /&gt;
(2) let Fitz and Wells do their thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then he should randomly select four from the remaining pool to be alternates.  Names out of a hat works fine, as long as they are put in the hat in a random order.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BC&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-468185"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @ 41 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>We’re having a very weedy Rule 24 jury selection intricacies argument ongoing at the moment.  The lawyers in the audience will understand what I mean by this — it’s a full out law review-esque minutiae misunderstanding and dissection.  But for the non-lawyers in the group, all those geeky, legalese conversations and nitpicky little detail bits and pieces for which everyone gets peeved about being billed for time?  That’s what we are doing at the moment.  It’s lawyer time.</p>
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<p>’scuse, Redd.</p>
<p>With all due respect and all, you all are stompin’ in my pasture now.  This is a question of randomization procedure … Walton should:<br />
(1) pool the peremptories for jury/alternates;<br />
(2) let Fitz and Wells do their thing.</p>
<p>Then he should randomly select four from the remaining pool to be alternates.  Names out of a hat works fine, as long as they are put in the hat in a random order.</p>
<p>BC</p>
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		<title>By: Nellieh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nellieh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468214&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;lina @ 65 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;john goodman with a shaved head as Cheney.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;lina @ 65 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;john goodman with a shaved head as Cheney.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PeeWee Herman as Libby&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-468214"><em>lina @ 65 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>john goodman with a shaved head as Cheney.</p>
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<p><em>lina @ 65 </em></p>
<blockquote><p>john goodman with a shaved head as Cheney.</p>
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<p>PeeWee Herman as Libby</p>
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