In many ways, the Bush Administration's "War on Terror" has been able to accomplish things that the terrorists themselves could only dream of. It has divided the American public against each other. It has stretched our military so thin that we would be helpless in the face of a real national emergency. And now, it has bred its own drug-resistant biological weapons, one of which is rapidly making its way through civilian hospitals from California to Canada, on to Germany and Anbar Province. It's called acinetobacter baumannii and the US military not only created the conditions that led to its development, but the Pentagon has played an active role in exporting it to the world and in the suppression of information that could have led to its containment.
From Wired Magazine:
I VISITED WALTER REED in 2004 to write about anesthesia on the front lines. As I spoke with an Army sergeant who had survived a brutal attack in Najaf, US senator John McCain and talk-radio host Don Imus came into the room to thank him for his service. When we walked out, McCain's assistant whipped out a bottle of sanitizing gel and passed it around. A nurse explained to me, "It's this bug that grows in the soil over there and gets blown into their wounds by IEDs. These poor guys are covered with it. Around here we call it Iraqibacter." Rumors were circulating at the hospital that insurgents dosed their homemade bombs with the flesh of dead animals.
As nicely as that would fit into pre-existing Right-Wing narratives of Middle Easterners as filthy, disease-carrying foreigners who will stop at nothing to kill and maim Americans, it (like so much else we've been told about the Endless War on Terror) is in fact a big fat lie.
It's true that many species of acinetobacter flourish widely in the environment. Thriving colonies have been recovered from soil, cell phones, frozen chicken, wastewater treatment plants, Formica countertops, and even irradiated food all over the world. But the particular species causing the military infections, baumannii, is almost always found in just one environment – hospitals.
Lenie Dijkshoorn, a senior researcher at Leiden University Medical Center in the Netherlands, has studied the bug since 1984. "My colleagues and I have been looking for Acinetobacter baumannii in soil samples for years, and we haven't found it," she says. "These organisms are quite rare outside of hospitals."
Hear that? No acinetobacter baumannii in the soil of Iraq. However, it is found at every stop along the military "evacuation chain" from Iraq back to the US and Europe.
Soon, however, the bug started popping up in other hospitals along the evacuation chain. More than 70 patients at Walter Reed eventually contracted acinetobacter infections of the blood. Other infected patients and carriers surfaced at Landstuhl, Bethesda, and Balad Air Base, the embarkation point for troops on their way out of Iraq. By early 2005, nearly one-third of the wounded soldiers admitted to the National Naval Medical Center had been colonized by the bacteria.
But where did this superbug come from and what exactly does it do? All hospitals have nosocomial (secondary) bugs. This version of acinetobacter undoubtedly existed in a less virulent form in the medical facilities prior to the war, but the massive over-prescription of wide-spectrum antibiotics by American medical personnel is what gave it its ferocious drug-resistance.
And as for what it does, this is what happened to 20-year-old Marine Jonathan Gadsden after he was severely injured by a road-side bomb and evacuated back to the US:
At first, he did quite well. By early September, Gadsden was weaned off his ventilator and breathing on his own. For weeks he gradually improved. His buddies took him to a Washington Redskins game in his wheelchair, and the next day he navigated 50 feet with a walker. Soon Gadsden was transferred to a veterans' hospital in Florida called the James A. Haley Medical Center, where he offered to serve as the eyes of a fellow marine blinded in an ambush. The doctors told Zeada that her son might be able to go home by the end of October.
But he still had mysterious symptoms that he couldn't shake, like headaches, rashes, and intermittent fevers. His doctors gave him CT scans, laxatives, methadone, beta-blockers, Xanax, more surgery, and more antibiotics. An accurate evaluation of his case was difficult, however, because portions of his medical records never arrived from Bethesda. If they had, they would have shown a positive test for a kind of bacteria called Acinetobacter baumannii.
Gadsden died on October 22nd. His mother Zaeda Gadsden wanted to know why.
She discovered that an autopsy was performed shortly after her son's death. The coroner recorded the "manner of death" as "homicide (explosion during war operation)" but determined the actual cause of death to be a bacterial infection. The organism that killed Gadsden, called Nocardia, had clogged the blood vessels leading to his brain. But the acinetobacter had been steadily draining his vital resources when he could least afford it. For weeks, it had been flourishing in his body, undetected by the doctors at Haley, resisting a constant assault by the most potent antibiotics in the medical arsenal.
"No one said that my son had anything like that," Zeada says. "I never had to wear gloves or a mask, and none of the nurses did either. No one had any information."
Now, don't you think that if the doctors at Bethesda knew that Gadsden had been colonized by this organism that they should have maybe told the personnel at Haley Medical in Florida? Curiously, no one saw fit to inform the veterans' hospital what Gadsden was bringing with him.
But this is part and parcel with the government's strategy for "fighting terror" with speeches and photo-ops and letting the underfunded, ill-equipped military cope with the unintended consequences of their disastrously mis-planned war(s). The whole reason we have this bug is because the combat hospitals in Iraq have never been adequately supplied, sterilized, or maintained:
Known as combat support hospitals or CSHs, these facilities had been hastily erected in tents and other temporary structures, in keeping with the Pentagon's goal of a lean and mobile fighting force. Maintaining sterile conditions in the desert required creative efforts. Sand blew through every available opening in the walls, and the 130-degree days took their toll on drugs, power supplies, and diagnostic equipment. To move trauma care closer to the action, the DOD deployed modified shipping containers called ISO boxes as portable operating rooms. It was standard procedure to have a dozen nurses, surgeons, and anesthesiologists in each box crowded around two patients undergoing surgery simultaneously – an infection risk in any hospital.
At the 28th CSH near Camp Dogwood – home to more than 4,000 US and British soldiers – there was only one washer and dryer to launder all of the linen, including the surgical scrubs. Army nurses reported to the DOD that "sheets were more often than not soaked with blood and other body fluids – linen that covered the patients who were transferred back to Germany was not replaced." When hospital-grade disinfectants ran low, which was often, the supply crew stocked up on bleach from a local bazaar.
The derelict infrastructure of the Ibn Sina, where Jonathan Gadsden was treated during his evacuation, bedeviled the staff's best infection-control efforts. Rainwater dripped into operating rooms and supply closets, and pigeons roosted in the ventilation system, wafting the smell of droppings into the surgical suites. (A request was filed to the Iraqi Ministry of Health in September 2003 to "eliminate bird feces" from the air ducts.) Clean sheets and scrubs were scarce at the Ibn Sina as well, because the civilian laundry contractor was apparently selling them on the black market.
Ah, yes. Mr. Rumsfeld's "lean and mobile" army. What a smashing little war this is!
The wounded soldiers were not smuggling bacteria from the desert into military hospitals after all. Instead, they were picking it up there. The evacuation chain itself had become the primary source of infection. By creating the most heroic and efficient means of saving lives in the history of warfare, the Pentagon had accidentally invented a machine for accelerating bacterial evolution and was airlifting the pathogens halfway around the world.
But of course, once it figured out what was happening, the military took immediate measures to inform everyone at risk for infection and make sure that this menace never spread beyond its initial disease vectors, right?
Wrong:
As the bacteria spread through hospitals in the US and Europe, the DOD worked overtime to keep a lid on the rumors. In a PowerPoint presentation about acinetobacter and pneumonia delivered at the US Air Force School of Aerospace Medicine, a slide labeled "How to handle the press" read: "Don't lie. Don't obfuscate. Don't tell them any more than you absolutely have to." (emphasis mine)
Yes, like every other problem that has arisen in our nation's prosecution of the Bush Administration's "Great War on Terror", rather than deal with the issue in a frank, open, and effective manner, the government has chosen instead to lie, obfuscate, and cover up, thereby placing more and more lives at risk.
This is what happens, however, when your flagging superpower decides to launch a voluntary (but inadequately funded) war based on cooked intelligence from a perspective of deep and abiding political and historic ignorance. You end up with a cascading set of errors that will be haunting you for generations, not just diplomatically and militarily, but economically, socially, and apparently epidemiologically.
How much longer will this catastrophe be allowed to continue?
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H A M S H E R ! ! !
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JANE!
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TRex- did you really mean “from California to Candada”? Now, back to read the rest.
ok- I got the zero… perfect time to tell you all, you in particular, Trex, that you are just…. the bee’s knees; so wonderful; you, as you say ‘rawk’… should i say more?
I wake up to find SEVEN new posts?
Have mercy.
I know this must have been asked a zillion times today but I’ve skimmed all over and can’t find any news on Jane. Do we have any news or updates at all?
Valley Girl @
6
Eek. I must have been thinking of Candida.
Fixed it.
Trex! I has just gotten my copy of the new Wired today and had marked the article on this to read later … shoulda known you’d beat the pulp version!
egregious хорошее утро к вам dahlin’ !
Not enough clean sheets in the hospital. Not enough scrubs. Not enough disinfectant.
We are pretending to build a civil society for the Iraqi people but can’t even run our own damn military hospitals properly.
FOR SHAME.
I haven’t even read the entire post yet, but just wanted to drop down here and let you know that, as a medical transcriptionist in Georgia right slap up by Fort Stewart and Hunter Army Air Field, this is a bacteria name I’ve had to type more than once. It’s here.
Hello? Mr. Waxman? Mr. Warner? Mr. Murtha? Perhaps someone might want to ask some questions of the Secretary of Veterans Affairs.
Grrrr. . .
Then ask them of the head of Walter Reed.
Then ask them of the Secretary of Defense.
Then ask them of the head of OMB.
Then ask them of the heads of the NIH and CDC.
Then ask them of the White House.
After reading Christy’s last post on WV miners, I was looking forward to some lighthearted snark. Damn.
Teresa @
9
All I know is she was released from ICU to go “home” yesterday; she “looks wonderful” (but I bet she’s sore) and is Tired. And, she was lurking in the Plame live blogging today. So she’s out. and about. Hope she rests enough.
This kind of stuff scares the crap out of me. This is a “wildfire” scenario (from Andromeda Strain, written before Michael Crichton went off the deep end) and our ignorant government isn’t taking it nearly seriously enough.
cbl @ 12
Hey cbl. New surgery update. Say, maybe Russian hospitals don’t look so bad after all! I mean in comparison.
At least there are clean sheets and disintectant here.
Sorry to go OT, but curious if anyone ever heard anything more about that FOX conservative humor based rip off of the Daily Show that was supposed to come about in January. Remember?
I’m guessing it never got off the ground. Go figure.
postmodernista @
7
Thank you, dear!
Turns out we’re the WMD-BioHazard.
Perfect.
TRex- thought so.
But back to your article, which I have now read in full 2X. So, if not from the soil, where did this bacterium come from? Yes, from the hospitals, but how did it get there? Sorry for the science geek questions. The main issue you point to is of grave concern. But, back to my question- WTF did it come from? And, again, not to minimize your timeline and research, because the spread of this does trump my question.
I spoke with Jane last night. She was in excellent spirits, billeted at her friend Rick Jacobs’s house. She was a little uncomfortable from the surgery, but apparently her reconstructive surgeon did a fantastic job.
She should be bouncing back like a superball in no time.
My capacity for outrage is low, but this tale really shows how utterly inept and corrupt BushCheney is. Thank you, TRex, for this report.
SPOTLIGHT anyone?
Jacqrat – thanks so much for the update. I’ve been very worried about her and my timing has been bad checking in the comments. I can see why she’s in the live-blogging. It’s addicting to me too.
Great. My father-in-law is having surgery at a VA hospital tomorrow. Hope he doesn’t pick this up….
Valley Girl @ 22
Theories suggest that it was just a regular nosocomial hospital bug until the US combat medical teams started over-prescribing ultra-broad-spectrum antibiotics, which in turn caused the bug to mutate and acquire multiple resistances.
Should I have included that in the post, you think? I was trying to figure out where to fit it in.
Valley Girl @ 22
Evolution. Stuff is changing all the time, but most changes don’t last because they don’t work in the real world. Our hospital systems just happened to create an environment where a bunch of germs can mix together in a big soup and this kind of thing can thrive.
Valley Girl @ 22
The simple answer: evolution. They’re great at it. Keep dosing a simple bug with antibiotics, and sooner or later you’ll find a new version that is resistant to the old drugs.
But don’t tell the fundies. They wouldn’t want to hear about any examples of evolution.
Their anti-science bias feeds back so well into their compassion.
Great news TRex…get well soon Jane.
TRex @ 27
Yeah, it needs to be up there. You could put a sentence or two about it right before asking the question “But what does exactly does this drug-resistant superbug do?”
TRex @ 27
Yes, from a science geek perspective, that would have been *really* good info to include. Not only does that info explain, it gives added info about some of the stupidities and ignorances about prescribing anti-biotics. But, I can’t advise where to put it, except in a p.s. HOWEVER, you will have to explain what “nosocomial” means, because I have not a clue.
TRex @ 27
It needs to be up top. Just slap it on at the end for now.
Ok pups, gotta run. Work beckons. Surgery on a 7 year old today, that’s unusual for us, we mostly specialize in newborns.
puppethead, Peterr- yep, as a college science prof I DO know about evolution. I was looking for a more specific answer, and TRex has provided.
egregious @
13
How awful for a still conscious wounded soldier’s last vision as they slide off the gurney be that of their comrades’ shit, blood, and piss.
And for those who survive – all the clinical tricks a PTSD fellowship could teach will never erase the sight and smell of their comrades’ blood and bowels smeared on the bed.
Long after they are home and Bush et al imprisoned, the horror and stench will visit them in memory and in dreams.
Hey – so glad Shooter’s Pentagon contacts helped out.
Who needs sheets when you have Halliburton?
When I was in the hospital, I developed a microbial infection that required some really strange antibiotic that cost like $400 a pill and had to be taken 4 times a day for 10 days.
It reminded me of the book that came out over a decade ago called “The Coming Plague” which I believe was written by Laurie Garrett. In her book she detailed how researchers are franticly trying to stay a step ahead of the mutating microbes.
Once there is no antibiotic for the supermutation, all that’s necessary is for the microbe to leave the containment area.
I was frantic at the time thinking that I had survived life threatening surgery only to be killed by a virus. I’m glad things worked out.
Revised:
Valley Girl @ 35
Sorry about that – no slight intended. I was just having this very conversation with some fundy relatives, and I heard your question through ears that were still ringing with their “But. . . But . . . but . . .”
Gotta clean out my ears more often, I guess.
egregious @
13
And the laundry contractor selling supplies on the black market! Another reason we’ve got to deprivatize public and military services and operations.
GREAT post, TRex!
SubwaySerenade @ 37
Glad things worked out, indeed! Minor correction- not that it will make you feel any better, but anti-biotics are used against bacterial infections, not viral infections.
TRex @ 38
Sounds good from a rhetorical standpoint. (I’ll leave the science to you and VG!) From the title of your post, it smelled like a potential conspiracy theory floating around, and we don’t need to feed any stories about “venemous rabid lambshers of the left spreading false rumor that US military engaging in biological warfare in Iraq.”
The truth is bad enough.
It’s like the “Katrina Syndrome” but with the national health care system as the latest Bushite victim of incompetence and neglect.
Can you imagine how Bush Baby and his AssClowns-R-US administration will handle Avian Flu???
Look no further kids, it’s our very own Andromeda Strain.
This will affect Alot of people if it is not brought to heel quickly.
Think of the bright side, the way the US hospitals handle ‘bad bugs’ is already a scandal, this might put it on page one.
If the middle of the road American is scared of ‘terrorism’ now, give them this story to truly flip out over.
Finally the soccer moms and dads who voted GOP and for this godamn war will have something that will affect them personally and up close.
Is this Bushite’s brillant idea of something all Americas can ’sacrifice’ for?
TRex @
38
Great addition TRex. And, hope you don’t mind, but I edited your post so that there is a paragraph break between …”ferocious drug-resistance.” and “And as for what it does…
Valley Girl -
Hi.
See this?
http://www.aei.org/publication…..detail.asp
Last bit:
As we consider the alternatives, with the possibility of conflict with Iran ever on the horizon, it would be well to ensure that we are not overlooking the option that would best serve our strategic needs. It may be that the fastest way to turn Iraq over to the Iraqis and draw down American forces is not a steady decline of troop numbers. Instead, the fastest possible "exit strategy" may require one last surge effort to bring the insurgency down to a level that the indigenous forces can handle on their own. Above all, possible strategies must be considered and discarded only on the basis of a realistic assessment. No approach that offers hope of success should be ruled out without careful thought.
May 29, 2006 Might be this is what got b43 all excited in July WH presentation.
Any new info on first MSM use?
Just wanted to ask.
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Folks have been dynamite on Libby coverage. So cool.
Congrats all! Pachecutec, emptywheel, reddhedd and all. Big props. Yeah, her too. what a group of talent.
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Jane is in my thoughts. And ‘thanks’.
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Woodward’s doing a chat tomorrow, if TSF hasn’t put it up, yet.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00708.html
“Previewing the SOTU”
Acinetobacter baumannii is present in many environments; soil, water, etc… it’s just the drug resistant forms that are present primarily in hospitals. It is not generally dangerous to people who are not sick or injured anyway.
Superbly stated as usual, important, and just beetle-spitting fucking infuriating.
There is just no end to the evil and damage being wrought by these people. None.
I feel like Homer Simpson falling endlessly down the cliff, unable to gain purchase on a single landing.
Valley Girl – nosocomial means “hospital acquired”. In a similar vein, physician/health care provider caused conditions are “iatrogenic”.
Everything in the article makes perfect sense. In a perverse way, even the Administration/DoD’s failure to adequately publicize/educate about it is consistent with their dereliction of accountability. Another tragedy is unfolding.
TRex @ 20
No- thank you- y’all are the voice of reason, and the path to ‘the light’…I can’t begin to tell you how much you do for the rest of us waiting for truth and real news, and BTW Go Jane!!!!
TRex!
Taylor Marsh @ 50
Hey, Taylor. How are things with Debbie Schlut’s lawyers?
puppethead @
17
Not really. The science (and logic) in Andromeda Strain is as bad as in any of his later works. If he wasn’t born off the deep end he at least waited to start writing till after he was there.
–MarkusQ
P.S. For just a hint of what I’m talking about: the big dramatic climax revolves around the discovery that the pathogen in the lab has mutated into something harmless. But all instances of a life form don’t mutate in lockstep; just because a two headed cow is born in some village somewhere, it doesn’t mean that all cows now have two heads.
I could go on and on, but the short form is, his stories suck and always have.
Thank the Goddess Jane is out of the hospital!
Whoever is responsible for failing to notify the Florida hospital of such a danger should be fired yesterday. Put them to work in a coal mine with the deputy assistant secretary of detainee affairs while your at it.
(no offense ment to real coal miners)
Blank Kludge- I trust that the into “hi” to me was not asking me to comment on the further news you quoted. But, I may be wrong. Whatever. The info / p-o-v is scary.
I am increasingly distressed as I learn more about the role of those in the US who seek to shape our policy in line with the current Israeli administration. And, I hope no one takes this as an A-s comment, because if you have been reading my comments, you will know this is not the case.
Thank you for putting the spotlight on this, TRex. Doesn’t this just cap it when we’ve found out the troops don’t have proper body armor, that brain trauma rehab funding was to be cut, that vets in hospital were sent bills for their care in recovering from war wounds, and so on. What a nightmare and what will be the next horrible thing to be uncovered? There is so much that has be to fixed.
TRex @ 51 – Have not heard one frickin’ word since I started posting everywhere on the web about the lawsuit threat, with a lot of help, which is a nod in your direction my Right-wing Slayer compatriot.
MarkusQ @ 52
Well sure, not the best science, none of his stuff was. To be honest, his writing was never very readable. But a few things have tapped into our culture. It was written long before he became a “science” advisor to Bush the Lesser. And started raving in public.
There was an interesting OpEd in the SF Chron about how we can protect ourselves from bacteria like E.coli. Here’s the piece in a nutshell: The good bacteria in our gut eats fiber and Americans eat substantially less fiber than we used to. Thus the good bacteria has be weakened, opening the door to nasty stuff. So maybe the best thing you can do to ward off this latest horror is to start crunching on those veggies.
Here’s the piece.
TRex- following on from Muzzy’s response to my question, a possible further edit:
But where did this superbug come from and what exactly does it do? All hospitals have nosocomial (secondary) bugs, or, in laymen’s terms, “hospital acquired” bugs. This version of acinetobacter undoubtedly existed in a less virulent form in the medical facilities prior to the war, but the massive over-prescription of wide-spectrum antibiotics by American medical personnel is what gave it its ferocious drug-resistance.
The sad thing about your post, TRex, is that I’m not surprised. Slightly more nauseated, but not surprised.
Join the War On Terra! We got cooties on steroids!
Muzzy @ 48
Muzzy thanks for the info. As you will see above, I suggested a further edit for TRex, based on your comment.
Valley Girl @
22
Hi VG!
Somewhere in the bowels (no pun intended) of the Wired article IIRC they discussed comparing samples of A. baumannii genomes from the Iraq theater with genomes from reference collecions in Europe.
Results indicated the Iraq theater strain was simply imported form Europe – I think the Wired article mentions the possibility the bug was imported from equipment via Germany.
[The above is from memory: I’m on dial up and the Wired article loads so slooowly on repeat….
THe following is my own speculation:]
The Wired article mentions the Iraq A. baumannii has acquired resistance to 52 antibiotics (or has 52 genetic sequences for antibiotic resistance..?)
Our friends the microbes can maintain genetic information outside the chromosome (in “satellites” such as “plasmids”).
Our microbial friends can also swap these “extra-chromosomal” genetic instrucions with other microbes of different species by surface to surface structures.
No sex required.
Kinda like microbial frottage.
Slamming a bunch of A. baumannii just off the boat from Europe with antibiotics (abx) will leave survivors with the genetic code to withstand the antibiotics used. Each subsequent expsoure to new abx leaves survivors with the genetic instructions to evade all the previous antibiotics.
The survivors share their instructions with lots of the other microbe species they meet.
And all the survivors – like a bunch of drunk frat boys marooned on an island with Labs – will start rubbing against whatever’s still living, and sharing the genetic info indiscrimately.
[Ever wondered why frat boys act like Labs?
Now you know.
There’s more to the story - but we’ll leave that to the experts.
And - wish as we may - we can’t ask Dr. Science
We’ve lost his number. It was the cube root of some physical constant, no doubt.
But I dogress.]
So when the survivors [of all the “enriched” microbial progeny] are flown back to Europe or the States, they carry all the knowledge about defeating antibiotics ever known to any of their direct ancestors.
Who knew intestinal flora – and other microbes – had such deep family roots?
Gotta run, kids.
Grocery store and then home.
See you in a bit.
And sometimes in my dark moments, I think he’s(George W. Bush) “The Manchurian Candidate” designed to discredit all the ideas I believe in.
-David Brooks
George W. Bush, single handedly destroying America, one clusterfuck at a time.
At least Bush has finally united America, against him.
-GSD
GSD @ 64
Just like Bobo, calling Bush a Democratic tool. Own it Bobo, Bush is a Republican, nominated by the party, held aloft by the party. He is a shining example for all things Republican. Choke on it fella.
Nite pups, signing off from Barkeyville, PA.
Hey Kirk- thanks for the interesting extra info. Re: the exchange w/ Persiflage the other eve, and my memory of the details is spotty. Perhaps I can explain my comment by saying that you were asking her to do enormous research, as least from my view. I was responding in part as a scientist- because there is an enormous literature in scientific journals that traces efforts to combat Alzheimers, so I thought you were asking her to provide something akin to a Ph.D. thesis on the subject. Also, although it did not come into my thinking at the time (at least not consciously) my dad died from Alzheimer’s disease, so I have paid attention to a lot of the research. Maybe I missed your general point in your long reply?
Super post from Trex …
I remember hearing a series of report on Marketplace I think – would have been in 2004? – interviewing military nurses in Iraq who were ordering supplies on their personal credit cards and inventing ways to keep patients warm using cardboard boxes, etc since the CSH were not properly supplied … all as we fund the executive bonuses at Halliburton!
And remember the conditions in Iraqi hospitals where doctors and nurses are being killed or leaving, US occupiers swarm through on “raids” and children are turned away from essential care for lack of basic meds and capacity.
You don’t suppose this bacteria has/had any role to play in “Gulf War Syndrome,” do you? Sort of a debilitating effect, like Lyme?
Just wondering out loud.
puppethead @
28
You know what this reminds me of?
Exactly?
The “Spanish Flu” of 1918.
For example:
His point being that we needn’t worry so much about bird flu, because there’s no way we would be dumb enough to repeat the mistakes of WW I. Or, for that matter I suppose, the crusades.
Ah, optimists.
–MarkusQ
don’t forget the charms of depleted uranium too … still in use and we are still bombing in Iraq but just don’t talk about it so much
and on that note, off to sleep … be chipper for opening arguments tomorrow!
wow!
Valley Girl @ 67
Hi VG -
Gosh, I sure don’t think you owe me any explanation – if I have seemed as though I did, I do apologize.
I’m in the midst of baking/cooking, and I hope I don’t seem short in answering.
My general point – if any – was to look for hard citations and or hard data behind various assertions of nefarious biomedical activities.
Not that biomediciine is perfect – far from it – but with the hope that accurate description of problems begets effective solutions.
Again, the oven call s- hope I don’t seem terse!
xxxooo
OT: The DNC sent out a request for input for Senator Webb’s response to the SOTU. Ms. Redshift thinks I should suggest that he kick Lieberman in the nuts, but while that’s a fine suggestion, it’s not really a suggestion for the speech…
Siun @
68
Siun- I googled. I wonder if this is the interview you are thinking of. However, I can’t get the audio to open. http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=1600206
Watching KO… Jonathan Alter discussion on Hillary to overcome her negatives ….. that there isn’t any negatives with her own party but with conservatives… LOL… that guy needs a trip out here where REAL people live…
Redshift @ 73
Based on this article by TRex but also on many, many more examples, I would hope Sen. Webb would say something about accountability.
Valley Girl -
It’s always a pleasure to shout ‘Hi there!’
But you deftly handled the misaimed RFC.
Now, iirC, ’twas sharkbabe.
Drat foggy greymatter.
Cheers, though. Happy Fitzmas!
Redshift @
73
hmmm… I assume that he will do that anyway, either overtly or covertly. Metaphorically speaking or course.
Webb should suggest b43 is losing altitude at an accelerating rate. The good of the Country demands resignation. En masse.
Just a thought.
The Republicans are in the midst of a hatchet fight. Lots of winger type folks are tossing Dinesh Desouza under the bus for his fetid new book.
“Respected” senators are bailing on the Bush/McCain massacre strategy.
Now McCain is lashing out at Cheney….says he served Bush poorly.
Love it, love it.
-GSD
P.S. I recommend the new movie The Last King of Scotland, saw it tonight and liked it.
Blank Kludge @ 77
Shout “hi there” back. But what is this “RFC” of which you speak?
Valley Girl @
41
Thanks, I just know that what I had was microbial. I’d need at least two cups of coffee to distinguish between a microbe and a stem cell…
Webb should tell Dick Cheney to go fuck himself.
-GSD
OT, but angering. Just checked over at Foxnews. They still have multiple webstories stories up about the Obama/madrassa thing. Is their viewer base really THAT stupid?
SubwaySerenade @
37
So are we, Subway, so are we!
Redshift @ 73
Great idea, but first wouldn’t Lieberman have to get them back from AIPAC?
GSD @ 80
The news on our side of the aisle ain’t bad, either:
Hey, there’s this guy, Rahm…
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The way the net was born. Method.
In this case, applied to ’surge’ aborning.
Question was about first MSM adaptation.
I think we had S-P/I early on; and a WSJ OpEd cite by neocon Gerecht(sp?).
Just curious if anyone located the ‘primordianl ooze’ (if you will),of the term moving into media use.
Subway! Yes, I knew that it had to be a microbe. Viruses are not usually referred to as microbes. And, let me just say that I have my areas of expertise, and they *do not* include music, or song writing, or singing, etc. On all such, I defer to you!
Blub @
84
Yep, they don’t call it Fox Stupid for nothing.
-GSD
Blub @ 84
That has to be a rhetorical question.
Lets see…. how well ReThugs protect our Society… wasn’t it Reagan who ignored HIV/AIDS? Lets see…. how many millions now are infected?
West Nile…. few isolated cases on the east coast and now it is a killer in Arizona…. yep 11 deaths last year.
Then there is food born deaths … We have E.Coli deaths across the country. Our food chain is contaminated, non-existent food inspection & testing. NO Labeling laws and who knows what is in our food imported from abroad.
Anyone who has read the book Hot Zone. My elder father retired biologist comment on reading that book…. the world is past time for another plague, historically plagues have been the population equalizer. The issue NOW is that there is NO public health service, NO resources within our private healthcare system.
With the hiding of the infection, lack of informing family and healthcare professions will ensure that this bacterium will be common among the general population. Of course that young man’s death will probably NOT be counted as a Iraq War death will it?
OT: Shortest…SOTU…ever.
Bush speech to showcase domestic agenda
Also, if I may humboy suggest a SOTU liveblogging thread title:
“…a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”
Blank Kludge @ 88
Thanks for the explanation re: RFC. And, as to the rest, are you talking about “surge” or “surge aborning” or maybe this means “the surge is born”? First read it as “the surge aborting” ha! late here. Were you part of the original discussion sometime back where I noted that Lieberman used “surge” in his comments questioning Gates? this is a bit of what I remember of what Lieberman said
Valley Girl @
89
Considering that I’ve been a caregiver for 18 years, I really should be able to pull this stuff off the top of my head. I’ll just chalk it up to the late hour. I have way too much medical information in my head for a street musician…
GSD @ 90
FoxNews fans I correspond with are still trying to ply me with Sandy Berger stories. Zzzzz. The other day, one of them brought up Travelgate. Poor things! Flop sweat is not a pretty thing to sense via email.
Dang Valley Girl-
Yes. Yes indeed.
Just the ’surge’ (poetic licsense got in the way..in a warped way, huh?)
So, now we know that…
I gotta crash. Almost 1AM eastern.
Fitz ‘em if ya got ‘em.
I am always just a half beat off timing…amatuer EPU.
tra-la!
—
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..2165.shtml
CBS on the Mall today.
Note the photo on left.
“Chastiy”
Was, is, and alway will be the agenda, now it plain, no trying to see all those little angels dancing on pins agruments. Just that.
Valley Girl @
33
it means “not so funny”. missing a ‘c’.
Liz Cheney hearts Joe Lieberman.
Sandy Berger is so pre-9/11.
-GSD
TeddySanFran @
99
Liz Cheney has a heart-on?
Both Sham Brownback and Dickman Hunter took advantage of the Roe v. Wade anniversary today to vow to ban abortion if elected president.
Here’s a great question to ask them at campaign events: during the last several years, with an incredibly right-wing crop of Republicans controlling the executive, both branches of Congress, and a growing proportion of the Supreme Court, why didn’t “culture warriors” Brownback and Hunter ever try to introduce a bill to ban abortion? Could it be…oh, that these assholes are using the fundies for their own political gain, and that the fundies are too stupid to notice that they’ve been strung along the whole damned time?
TeddySanFran @ 99
I didn’t realize Holy Joe was a woman.
Liz Cheney can STFU too. Just what I want, to be lectured by the daughter of a failed leader.
-GSD
TeddySanFran @
99
Years ago The National Lampoon sold stickers that you could put over the heart in the ‘I heart my dog’ bumper stickers. The picture was of a screw.
Back in 2004 I was sending underwear, T-shirts and jogging pants to nurses in Iraq. Because after the men came out of surgery they had *nothing* to wear. We were also sending band-aids for the nurses’ personal use. They had to save the ones they had for the patients.
Bush makes sure the “contractors” are well-funded. He does nothing for the troops. Everytime something is “privatized” the primary motive is profit. People and their well-being are no longer a consideration.
EvilDrPuma @ 103
Sorry, wrong Cheney…although with Deadeye Dick for a dad, I could understand any daughter preferring women…
I see Hillary is running an ad here. John Edwards beat her to it. Edwards gets the props and Hillary gets the honorable mention.
When she goes on her listening tour, I hope she gets an earful.
SubwaySerenade @ 108
I think the conversation has been going on for a while now. No reason why Hillary should burst in and take charge now.
Blub @
84
Uh…yes.
punaise @ 98
Ah, that’s why I was confused. I read it that way too, and thought that it might have been a TRex typo.
BTW, I hope you got my latest email, explaining that I had rescued you from spam (spam Hell because I don’t have a choice as to what first gets sent to me?)? I just can’t figure out why you were sent there in the first place.
Good God. I’m seriously thinking of cancelling an angioplastic procedure at the Albuquerque VA hospital.
EvilDrPuma @ 93
The only real question will be what portion of it will be Democratic issues he’ll try to grab credit for, and what portion will be Republican issues that he’ll try to blame them for “obstructing” when they go nowhere.
SubwaySerenade @ 108
Subway, there have been plenty of Edwards ads at FDL in the past! And, I remember ad conversations from a good while back- net neutrality? Or anti-net neutrality in that case. IIRC, the message from the powers that be was something to the effect- well, if they want to waste their money here, okay, it helps FDL pay the bills. Of course, my memory may be faulty!!!
Jesus B. Ochoa @ 112
As someone who is not a health care professional, I cannot give you advice on how to handle your decision, but if it were my angioplasty, I would be calling my doctor and demanding to know what he plans to do to ensure effective Infection Control for my procedure in light of these recent revelations.
Call a lawyer, too. Pre-emptively.
Jesus B. Ochoa @ 112
Don’t do that. I think they will get you in and out quickly. Probably no anti-biotics involved.
Valley Girl @ 116
I am not a health care professional either. But, I had a friend who had this done. Nonetheless, TRex always has a deeper take on things. p.s. I didn’t see TRex’s comment when I posted mine.
g’nite, firepups…
wishing good health (and/or swift and full recoveries) to all at the Lake.
EvilDrPuma @
93
You don’t like the Bard’s entire quote – “a rambling tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Just being picky in homage to Mayo Linder, my first and finest English Lit teacher – or maybe I’ve just gone completely bonkers while reading this essential Late Nite post.
newspaperbrat @ 119
That’s…even better.
acitinobacter is the bug that raises the red flag that staff ain’t washing their hands.
ya gotta wash your hands in the hospital – a lot – because that’s where the germs are.
resistance to antibiotics is an evolutionary adaptation, cuz germs just want to live, man, germs just want to live and become more germs.
we’ve prompted that development by not using our antibiotic arsenal wisely (too much, not enough – plus, remember all o’ that squirting of syringe contents up in the air? when that syringe’s got antibiotics, you’re just putting sub-lethal amounts in the environment to help the germs toughen up).
this problem has been around for a while. we swab all of our patients upon admission, and then weekly, for resitant strains of staph and e.coli. we usually turn up a few.
and then we make sure that we wash our hands a lot.
katymine@75, we had a free subscription to Newsweek for a year, and I am glad it has run out. Alter will probably have Hillary on the cover for the third time in the last few weeks. Before Obama declared, Anna Quinnlan had an editorial there telling all of us to just give in (Edwards being a “light-weight”) and annoint Hillary. She is advertising on about every blog I read, and I’m glad for the blogs because they can always use the cash, but if she thinks she can sway, or should I say manipulate? the blog reading crowd, she will get rude awakening.
Valley Girl @ 111
I’ll pick-up email at work tomorrow. spam? moi?
newspaperbrat- just tried to google to find the rambling part. No luck. Maybe “rambling” and “idiot” are much the same, and google doesn’t do subtlety.
Here’s a clip from the NewsHour tonight about the online effect in this election cycle. Listen to what Carol Darr from G.W.U. says about who’s online, and why they are important :
http://www-tc.pbs.org/newshour…..line28.mp3
Thanks for the link, TRex! Kirk, that was a really nice summation of antibiotic resistance.
Congratulations to CBS News for catching Clusterfuck with a 28% JAR- and congratulations to Clusterfuck for doin all the hard work to get him there.
Punaise- spam? moi? only in our “no opt out” Postini filters. Well, you can opt out for particular users, once one finds out that something has been mis-directed to spam, and you are now on the approved list. But I can’t imagine why you ended up there in the first place.
Hey there Clusterfuck- jest wondering if ya know how much America despises yer sorry ass- course ya don’t care- but still ya oughta know- they hate yer fuckin guts you pig brained moron!
OT: I wanted to highlight a fantastic speech that Amy Goodman highlighted today on Democracy Now!
Bernie Sanders:
He covered several topics and how the media is failing us in all of them. This speech isn’t getting as much attention as I thought it would around the blogosphere. I just thought Sanders could use some love since he’s fighting the good fight.
rwcole @ 127
I knew he could break thirty percent. He’s such an achiever.
Can he break 20%? Now THAT will take some talent and dedication!
rwcole @ 132
The turf’s the limit!
Maybe he can go underground- like a gopher- or a mole- or a RAT!
Hope someone flips him off at the SOTU address!!!
rwcole @ 134
ooooh: “The Departed”
Is flippin off the president free speech?
Dover Bitch- I have been an admirer of Bernie Sanders for quite some time. IIRC, this is the first quote of his that caught my attention:
“You have the most secretive Administration probably in the history of this country, an Administration which claims to be “conservative,” but in fact is right-wing extremist.”
Interview here.
Trex:
Not only are you God’s gift to snark, your recent and current posts also show that you are very intelligent. Post on!
Valley Girl @ 138
That’s a fantastic interview. I also really enjoyed this story about him on MyDD.
Dover Bitch- thanks for that great link! I had no idea about Bernie Sanders’ political history before reading your MyDD link.
~~And what happened to this lame duck? Well, he became a political icon in Vermont, respected for his independence and honesty, and gradually moved up the political ladder: On Tuesday, former Burlington mayor Bernie Sanders was elected to the US Senate. We can only hope all of our newly elected “lame duck” Democrats do just as well.~~
EvilDrPuma @
133
What about holes? Holes can be dug.
Admittedly, catching them in a poll would require some question juggling … Maybe the pollsters could start tracking changes in approval rating by individual voters, or something. We mustn’t let a little thing like the ground keep us from fully registering our disapproval of this de facto man.
To kirk’s explanation at #62 about resistance, I’d expand on another aspect to ponder. To effectively treat infections and help reduce the formation of resistance, it’s important to try as much as possible to identify the specific type of bacteria causing an infection and to know what its drug sensitivity is. In a controlled hospital setting where you know what bugs to expect given the organ affected (ie lungs, bladder, colon, etc.) you can be informed and selective enough to use an antibiotic with a narrow enough range to do the job, even if other bacteria that are not causing an infection elsewhere in the body have resistance to that antibiotic.
In a battlefield setting, where mass casualties involve horrendous wounds to large amounts of tissue and exposure to MANY different bugs at the same time from dirt and other contaminants, there is a tendency to use broad spectrum antibiotics, big guns so to speak, that will take out everything regardless of the combination of resistances of various bugs involved. That’s great in isolation, but in a battlefield setting it’s a need that occurs around the clock. Constant use of broad spectrum abx in difficult to sanitize conditions with broad exposure in facilities that are a mess is the perfect recipe for resistant strains to evolve against our “antibiotics of last resort”.
Once that is breached, it doesn’t mean the end of the world. Being aware of the bugs’ presence, knowing where it hides out (hospital walls, respiratory ventilators, airborne, etc.), and how to prevent spread, you can greatly slow it down even if it has antibiotic resistance. But still, once the magic bullet is gone, people die when perhaps they would have survived.
Sorry, gang. I’m in and out here.
Did you guys notice that the author of the article just stopped by and said hey.
Hey, Steve! Welcome to FDL!
VG-Still here? Alzheimers and MCD link is something the Montana farmer Howarrd Lyman suggested. In Iraq it’s burgers for oil.
Valley Girl @ 124
You’ve helped jog my memory. I believe the quote actually began “Life is a rambling tale……”
and probably from Hamlet.
OT – any late nighters in LA have updates on the fire raging in SF valley?
TRex, time to fess up: are you really Ira Flatow in disguise?
great post TRex. Thank u.
will someone, PLEASE, start impeachment proceedings.
but first, i’m going to take a bath in clorox and change my moniker to “white squirrel”.
And I thought I might never laugh out loud again – tanks punaise and squirrel!
Nite all – may all our Fitzmas dreams come true.
rwcole @ 129
Stop sugar coating it and tell us how you really feel.
g’night, npb…
Gore in Idaho (DKos diary)
TRex – if you come back:
What a great essay. This is such an important issue. I almost don’t know where to begin, but
Clean sheets and scrubs were scarce at the Ibn Sina as well, because the civilian laundry contractor was apparently selling them on the black market.
is a good place to start. I’m trying to remember where in his memoirs this is brought up, but almost 150 years ago, Ulysses Grant had medical contractors hanged for doing exactly that to Union soldiers. I’m against the death penalty, but some cases are better arguments in favor of that sanction than others.
I’d read other articles and sidebars about our field hospitals in Iraq and Afghanistan, but this is damning. And all too typical.
OMG. Foolishly, I keep thinking this clusterfook can’t get any worse, and it does. Our men and women are fighting wars based on lies, without the proper resources, and the biggest concern of the regime is “don’t say any more than you have to.”
I want my country back. I want my democracy back.
the General has some advice for the object of my eternal contempt:
Read that earlier, punaise. And I’m glad you’re the one who brought the General’s challenge to HoJo here, because I’m confused about the concluding sentence, Guys like that.
Does JC mean “guys LIKE that” or “guys like THAT”?
Ok, now I’m pissed. Really pissed. G*d dayam mofo treasonous bastoids.
Does anyone have any connections with Sen. Webb? If I had a left nut, I would give it to have him mention this in the response to the SOTU.
Rub and Muzzy have it pretty much right. And in my end of the pharmacy, i see altoghter too many antibiotics going out at any time of the year. I can understand it if the kid has a bad system from say asthma(like i do) or something similar. But healthy kids? No. Before i got jumped by asthma in my early 20s? I was a typical kid, run around get dirty and get sick from sorely typical colds. No antibiotics unless absolutely needed.
Now that i have asthma? i’ve ended up with it 3 times in teh last year. But for three different bacterial infections that i KNEW were bacterial by the time i took the meds. Between my own judged reactions to the illness and the Dr’s verifications. Otherwise? I fight out head colds from hell like the rest of us. Fluids, bed, ibuprofen and psuedofedrine.
The overuse in a hospital setting i’m less familiar with, but i imagine the santizing is just as high standard. Wash hands CONSTANTLY. Keep work areas clean, prevent cross contamination. Same basic tenants of keeping a working restaurant from getting E.Coli and salmonella. (did that for 6 years before i got into pharamcy..heh.)
I wish more people would take a common sense approach to things, but as they say. “Common sense isn’t common.” Not anymore, anyway. Apparrently the mercenaries and the militias have let it fly to the four winds as well in iraq. Which is just wrong.
Night TRex, thanks for raising a flag about this issue!
Ed*ard Teller @
156
couldn’t say, but why does Spruce Goose come to mind?
Suzanne @ 157
Got this email from Dean today:
Suzanne @ 157
Webb would be the one to say it, wouldn’t he? Good idea, but would even Webb have the courage to say it as thoroughly as TRex,
As nicely as that would fit into pre-existing Right-Wing narratives of Middle Easterners as filthy, disease-carrying foreigners who will stop at nothing to kill and maim Americans, it (like so much else we’ve been told about the Endless War on Terror) is in fact a big fat lie. ?
cool: Suzanne to Jacqrat to Webb, 3 minutes elapsed time.
kirk murphy @ 62
Somehow I doubt one would find this kind of insiteful analysis over at Redstat or Free Republic.TRex @ 115
T-Rex,
No need to call a lawyer. You can’t sue the VA for malpractice. You’re at their mercy, and if they fuck up-too bad (pardon my French).
thanks, jacqrat… just left them a very detailed, but polite and civil, rant about this (and the link here).
fingers and toes crossed
Suzanne @
164
My pleasure! I hope it helps.
On a non-technical and non-political note, if someone you love is prescribed a strong antibiotic, make sure they eat yogurt with active cultures because the antibiotic will kill the good bacteria in the digestive tract. Last year my 84-year-old Dad spent more time in the hospital as a result of the failure of his digestive system than he did with the pneumonia that landed him there in the first place.
Rushton,
You can’t sue the VA for malpractice. You’re at their mercy, and if they fuck up-too bad (pardon my French).
So true. I’m a disabled Vet who has been fortunate enough to be able to stay away from VA hospitals for myself. I’ve visited too many friends in one or another of them over the years to have a favorable impression. They’ve almost always had problems at VA hospitals, but the medical environment for vets is getting worse fast. And the bigger your disability, the larger the gulf between what you get and what your country owes you:
Defense Department officials have laid off most of their case workers who help severely injured service members, sources said.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/…..ded070119/
Steve Gilliard, with a none to subtle dig at Billmon?:
punaise @
162
We have the toolz to be one lean, mean, BS-fightin’ machine!
That said, interested folks could SPOTLIGHT this post to investigative reporters or medical correspondents of their choosing.
We have the toolz to be one lean, mean, BS-fightin’ machine!
Raaaaaaawr Chomp Chomp – isn’t that what TRex teaches us here at Late Nite?
TheOtherWA @
154
Not only do they invariably surpass any of their previous lows, but there’s a kind of fractal quality to their sins, so that if you drop your microscope over even the smallest one you find all the same ingredients—people in the worst kind of need left to suffer, others who have both the capacity and the burning desire to help, undermined and left without the tools they need, outright thievery, press strategies offered as solutions. I didn’t notice the promotion of incompetents as an immediate part of this nightmare, but I’ll bet it plays a part somehow. (Update: of course, there’s the whole notion of letting Rumsfeld strategize your war, complete with his lean “concept”.)
About all I can do is recite DeLong’s chant:
Impeach George Walker Bush. Impeach Richard Bruce Cheney. Do it now.
Drive by on my way to bed.
ET.. bringing a comment from rayne the inquisitor to your attention.. just as a public service. Hope your healing well.
g’nite all
Rayne says:
January 22nd, 2007 at 5:42 pm
Ed*ard Teller, where are you when I need you???
I think I have a theory about the U.S. Attorneys being canned, need help.
Can somebody give me an update on the status of the investigation into VECO Corp. in Alaska? Heard anything recently?
Any help would be appreciated greatly, thanks!
So when does Donald Rumsfeld get his ever-so-appropriate Medal of Freedom? Maybe a Vet whose leg or arm got disappeared when the antibiotics couldn’t handle a flesh wound, could be the woman or man to walk forward and hand Rummy his bauble.
WASH HANDS! WASH HANDS! WASH HANDS!
What’s old news is become new again.
A bunch of studies within the past few years have shown that the single biggest route for spreading super bugs from hospital to patients and hospital to hospital is via the hands of medical staff.
google links to articles on doctors and handwashing and hospital-transmitted diseases
Doctors are especially at fault in this regard. Two reasons:
1. It seems to have become a part of “doctor culture” NOT to always wash hands between patients.
2. To properly disinfect one’s hands requires about 3 minutes of washing. Here in the States, if you have to see 10-20 patients a day, that comes out to a half hour to an hour of hand washing per day at a minimum. That’s a lot of time if you’re being pressured by your HMO to squeeze in the maximum number of patients per day. And that much handwashing is really hard on the hands.
Getting back to Iraq, I imagine that in a battle hospital, taking the full 3 minutes to wash hands instead of rushing immediately to assist a wounded soldier would feel almost criminal.
It’s a tough choice, but failing to wash hands means the bugs eventually win.
TRex: Thanks for the article. Handwashing is an important piece of the Iraqi superbug transmission puzzle that you need to make explicit. The bugs don’t hop like fleas or mosquitos from one sick soldier to another. They are literally carried from patient to patient by hospital staff.
(Yes, I know that there are some bugs, like TB, that can be transmitted aerially, but my understanding is that the vast majority are not.)
Hand washing won’t stop transmission completely, but it will DRASTICALLY reduce the rate of spread.
Does anyone remember the first “handwashing revolution” in the 19th century, when a German doctor realized that it was doctors who were killing mothers at childbirth by transplanting germs from previous surgeries into the bloodstreams of the mothers? Same principle.
PS to RubDMC @121: We’re on the same page on this one.
Eureka Springs,
Can somebody give me an update on the status of the investigation into VECO Corp. in Alaska? Heard anything recently?
Any help would be appreciated greatly, thanks!
Nobody fired locally, but the investigation was being supervised by Alice Fisher out of DC. Then she got promoted. Nobody in the press here has an inside track. But there’s a Fed GJ empaneled with at least 14 months of life remaining.
ADN archive. 9/11/2006
The federal influence-buying case that erupted with fury 10 days ago with searches of a half-dozen Alaska legislative offices is being managed independently of the Alaska U.S. Attorney’s office, a U.S. Justice Department official said Monday.
“The whole office is recused,” Justice Department spokesman Bryan Sierra said.
Instead, the wide-ranging investigation is being overseen by attorneys from the Justice Department’s Public Integrity Section in Washington, Sierra said.
I haven’t seen anything recently about the case, but is that what you were looking for? According to that article, no one local is conducting the investigation. I guess they wanted to make sure no one tipped off the folks being investigated.
Here’s one recent article on the FBI Alaska.
I commented on the AK case 20 minutes ago – still in mod……
ET, I’m not sure if there are mods this late at night to spring it.
Defense Department officials have laid off most of their case workers who help severely injured service members, sources said.
This is not the first time it has occured to me that they are trying to kill us with despair.
A bit of useful but folk knowledge, from my Dad who is long dead, but who nursed his mother through the 1918 Flu Epidemic. She survived.
In those days before anti-biotics, hospitals depended on heat to kill bacteria, and it does work. They Autoclaved everything. Thus if you are treating someone at home with a bacteria infection, it is useful to know how things were done. And, you can do it at home.
To Autoclave bedsheets at home; you wash them, dry them outside in the sun (even in winter) and then you fold them with turkish towels that have been dampened, and put them in a roaster with tight lid, and put them in a 350 Oven. Bake about 30 minutes and immediately put them on the patient’s bed. Shall we call this the natural way to eliminate a bacteria source. Virus — some require higher temps.
In Iraq the Military should not be using cotton sheets — just disposables such as paper, unless they are willing to move in a service unit, washing machines that boil in one cycle, and control the cycle themselves. During World War II we sent washboilers and attendants with them to all Military hospitals and surgical units. (WWII was half way between the old and new style infection control notions.) Many of the disposables we use today in hospitals came out of Korea and Vietnam military medicine as ways of preventing infection and spread of infection.
If this bacteria is widespread in VA hospitals then a loud and nasty movement about how the laundry is done needs to be the order of the day. Otherwise it will spread far and wide. Given current philosophy, I assume much is outsourced, and we know little about quality control vis a vis the matter of infection. Moreover, how much of it is done in machines that also do civilian laundry? In the days of Smallpox on the frontier among the Indians we let them die on blankets, and then redistributed the blankets. Apparently something similar is happening now. Today if the bacteria are immune to chemical or anti-biotic controls, then the old autoclave needs to be rediscovered. It doesn’t make bacteria immune, it kills them, but it is a bit of work to autoclave a mattress and all the rest. Still — it works. Years ago Hospitals did autoclave mattresses between patients. Now they have plastic covers, and they just spray some disinfectant, and wipe them down. And usually Housekeeping has 10 minutes between a discharge and a new admission to properly clean. Gotta keep the beds filled with paying customers you know. The financial bean counters (Insurance Industry) got control of the system, and see what a mess they made. Do they have to account for costs of post Hospital infections? — likely not, it is like insurance against wind versus water or both in a Hurricane Policy. So thus the formula for protecting the bottom line.
Anyhow knowing how to autoclave, and knowing the temp appropriate for the bug you wish to kill off is useful information.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Two minutes in a microwave oven can sterilize most household sponges, U.S. researchers reported on Monday.
Nite, all.
1,416 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Sara and the Firepup Nightowls:
I’m an RN and was a medic in the US Army 1966-69. The problem with the new nosocomial infections is that many of ‘em are the result of over use of anti-biotics (especially in military situations) and are resistant to both anti-biotics and autoclaving.
This “new” bug is just another consequence of “war on the cheap” and not listening to the military experts, in this case medical specialists, who weren’t listened to or given the time or facilities to set up the right immediate treatment facilities. The bugs are grown in the evac or surgical hospitals and evacuated with the treated soldiers.
Just another gift from Field MarshallS Cheney and Rumsfeld to a gullible America.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BASTARDS AREN’T DONE YET!!
Thanks for the autoclaving info, Sara. The article/TRex post suggests that laundry is (a)outsourced and (b) no where near adequate even for custodial housekeeping, let alone primary care of the wounded. At one station:
and at another:
The doctors and nurses at these places no doubt wish they could institute an improvisation like autoclaving of any non-disposables they have to use. The way the military are configured now, I wonder whether they’d have to move heaven and earth to get it done?
There’s so much wrong just in the parts of the article that TRex discussed that I hardly know where to begin—it’s a last straw for camels that were first broke-backed years ago. I’ve Spotlighted one limit’s worth, and will go back for more presently.
mmm…..interesting..especially when you look at the numbers dying in Uk hospitals from the “superbugs”…..scary stuff!
Apologies for straying off topic but I think all Americans should be aware of this – especially as Bush is due to lie his ass off again later today.
Now Hear The Word Of The World : Earth Calling America …
Awesome post. We need to invent new words. Incompetent doesn’t do it anymore. Nor does malfeasant.
Good morning, pups. Today in the NYT we have Stacy Schiff on the Libby trial, with one or two lovely bits, and Nicholas Kristof who says to understand Iraq we should read Thucydides and to understand Bush we should look to Ahab.
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
It seems to have stopped raining! I’ve forgotten what the sun looks like.
Where’s all the tax dollars, trillions of them, that have been siphoned off for this disastrous war? Why hasn’t anyone demanded accountability? This is beyond shameful, it’s criminal.
Peterr @ 15
Hang on. Waxman’s comin’! Hang on till February!
Anastasia Beaverhausen @ 186
I’m afraid those went to the contractors.
HEARINGS!
Just got done Spotlighting this post to the NYT, Atlanta Journal Constitution and Savannah Morning News. Great post, TRex, thanks.
My husband does counseling with vets and was not told this. Thanks, I’ll pass it on.
Someone mentioned Carol Darr’s appearance on News Hour upthread. FYI – Her goal is to destroy the progressive netroots. Search under Carol Darr’s name at DailyKos for more information. Markos has been keeping track of her for quite a while.
News flash, Santorum has gone to work for a think tank. That oughta start out your day with a laugh!
Primordial Ooze @
46
There is a very, very good chance it won’t STAY in hospitals.
Hospitals once took a common bug, staphylococcus aureus (a.k.a. “golden staph”) and turned it into a superbug called HA-MRSA — “Hospital-Acquired Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureas.”
This bug gained all manner of multi-drug resistances in the hot-house environment of hospitals with problems in how antibiotics were administered — with staff who didn’t take the hygienic care necessary to keep it in check.
But it didn’t stay in the hospital. Folks carrying the new super-strong version of S.A. (MRSA) walked out of the hospital and went about their daily lives — hospital workers as well as discharged patients. Many of these patients took the germ with them to places like physical therapy facilities and exercise clubs and gyms.
It now had a new name — CA-MRSA — Community-Acquired Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus.
In many areas of the country, including the Southwest, it’s something of an epidemic. Emergency Dept physicians are seeing explosions of it. It’s hard, very hard, to battle. Every time a “new” antibiotic seems to work, in short order the germ develops a new resistance to the drug.
Why do I know so much about it? Last year I caught it — and it’s pretty certain that I picked it up from my physical therapist’s office, where patients newly released from the hospital come to use the equipment, with therapy prescribed to complete their recovery from injuries and surgeries. I had a nasty case of cellulitis on my legs.
Thank God that an up-to-date protocol of a cocktail of antibiotics worked on me — otherwise I would have had to go into a HOSPITAL (!!! shudder !!!) for intravenous treatment. Folks have lost limbs from this super-bug. Healthy young people with cuts and scrapes from playing sports and skinning their knees have lost limbs — and some have died as a result. It’s not limited to people with a bad immune system.
If you should cut yourself, or get an abrasion, or some other little break in your skin — do yourself a favor and wash it carefully with soap and water, followed up with a sanitizing agent like rubbing alcohol or hydrogen peroxide.
DO NOT USE ANTIBACTERIAL SOAP — the “triclosan” ingredient functions much like an antibiotic and teaches the little germies how to mutate. I heard a lengthy NPR report about this looming problem with “antibacterial” soaps several years ago. Regular soap as a surfactant works to lift germs from the skin — just suds up thoroughly, and just as importantly, RINSE thoroughly.
I have no illusion that Acinetobacter Baumanii will somehow magically “behave itself” and stay put within hospital walls. I can’t imagine what will keep it from walking out the doors of hospitals and rehab centers on the hands and clothing of released patients (and some hospital employees, too, no doubts).
Take good care. My infection was stubborn, but I was lucky. Now I’m a good hygiene nut, for good reason.
Morning’ folks -
Hi Mrs. K8. The subhead to Jerayln’s WaPo started off as something like ‘Former WH official accused of leak’. Not what Fitz has charged. First q/a was laying out the charges.
About 20 after the chat ’started’ it was corrected. I sent in a comment ‘Fitz would be surprised to read this subhead.’
Just wondered about that.
Sorry I missed replying yesterday.
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Anybody else catching some of these calls on CSPAN WJ using ‘draft’ ‘bomb’ ‘10 years’..etc?
I don’t like the sound of that.
*xyz @ 191
Thanks so much, *xyz, for staying on top of this! I can only pop in here sporadically and unpredictably (and am going to bed now), although if I see mention of her in future I’ll jump in, too.
You brought some great links into an earlier thread this past evening with the evidence about Ms. Darr — so it’s terrific to see you squashing any notion of her as some sort of reasonable person, as far as progressive goals are concerned. She’s one of those wolves in sheeps’ clothing!
With that note of thanks, good night to you and all FirePups!
[Hope Fitz’s opening statement goes well today — I consider it a good omen that Turner Classic Movies played “A Man for All Seasons” overnight. With Fitz’s Catholic education, I have a hunch he sees Thomas More as not just an extremely smart lawyer, but one who believed in justice enough to be willing to pay the ultimate price for his integrity. Fitz surely was told in his Jesuit high school about how “St. Thomas More” is the patron saint of the law profession!]
Mornin’ all!
raven @
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I also read somewhere that he may start his own bank. Santorum Savings and Loan, Santorum Fidelity, Santabank…….. the possibilities are endless.
Hey, Blank, there you are!
Thanks so much for remembering my question and being thoughtful in answering me so many threads later!
And good for you for correcting the idiots at WaPo. I wonder if the WaPo staff are really that stupid and incompetent, or if it was an intentional error.
Ah well, I need at least a few hours of snooze time now. I know y’all will be keeping up the good fight as I sleep, and it always makes me feel safer to know that. Now — off to say my belated night prayers for Jane and Fitz….and the whole community of the Lake! Nighty-night!
Good Morning, Firepups,
Scattered clouds and cold in central Jersey. I’ve got the coffee brewing, and biscuits going into the oven. Water’s just come to a boil for the tea. Who needs a mug?
Work for peace, every day.
I sent this WIRED article to my list of folks yesterday (most of them are DraftClark04-ers), and one of them wrote back to me that his brother had died yesterday (Sunday) in the Sloan-Kettering ICU because of acinetobacter baumannii bacteria. He had been being treated for cancer and acquired the bacterium there.
Awesome article TRex. This has been a great public service. Thank you.
morning goodness up top
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Mornin’ Firepups,
sweet dreams Mrs. K8,
recalled your bout with this – no wonder -
this from a site found via The Google, they had linked the WIRED piece, but had also wrongly cited it’s origin as desert sands
http://www.acinetobacter.org/
do any of the regulars recall commenter Hopespringsaturtle ???
her site:
http://deepconfusion.blogspot.com/
about 6 months back she was distressed over something going on Landstuhl where her husband (USAF Surgeon) was stationed – lots of phone calls back and forth – it was something she couldn’t talk about and her comments sounded like it was something he wasn’t supposed to even tell her about. In light of the Administration’s total shafting of those who serve and their families – it could have been a myriad of things, but now I wonder if this was it
This stuff is everywhere … try buying dish soap that’s not antibacterial. Here’s a link with more: http://www.jhsph.edu/publichea…..losan.html
Thank you, TRex
As the bacteria spread through hospitals in the US and Europe, the DOD worked overtime to keep a lid on the rumors. In a PowerPoint presentation about acinetobacter and pneumonia delivered at the US Air Force School of Aerospace Medicine, a slide labeled “How to handle the press” read: “Don’t lie. Don’t obfuscate. Don’t tell them any more than you absolutely have to.” (emphasis mine)
You can’t blame the bugs for doing what they do to adapt, and you can’t minimize the scale of potentially deadly injury in a war. The two things this Administration has influence over in this matter are starting/perpetuating a war and properly and aggressively informing people in health care settings -both military and civilian -about what is going so that steps are taken to save lives.
Alright. It’s 6am and I’m livid again.
Muzzy @
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It doesn’t take long with this administration, does it.
TRex – Thanks for picking up on this. I saw it last night and was amused at the incompetence remembered from my long ago Army stint. After the implications sank in, I was angered at still another injustice our children veterans are suffering at the bloody hands of the Bush Administration (may his name live in infamy forever).
Now I’m horrified:
How many millions of people have been killed, maimed or sickened by the direct action of the murderous Bush cabal? How long will we let this fatal farce continue?
Watcha want to bet the depleted uraniuum from our rockets is the source..It 4 inchs thick, it causes cancer etc its bad stuff..
Printed out the Wired piece and read it last night. What a nightmare. And how many more like it will we discover long after Iraq is a dim and distant memory ?
We are killing ourselves, the other creatures and plants in a thousand ways we do not even suspect.
Wigwam @
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Oh, can you feel the love….
twolf1 @
200
“Santorum Deposit Corp.” oof!