
How credible is the notion that George W. Bush is a brilliant, perceptive military analyst capable of thinking through the weaknesses and illogic of military strategies formulated by the nation's senior military officials and almost single-handedly moving them to see the wisdom of his new plan for moving forward in Iraq? Don't answer that yet, until you've heard the argument.
Ever since it became clear that Bush's plans for escalating the Iraq war might be in serious trouble in Congress, let alone with the American people, his closest advisers have been trying to portray the President as increasingly disillusioned with his military chiefs and more and more convinced that he had to take personal charge of military planning to ensure victory in Iraq.
The President's neocon supporters have been laying the foundation for months by portraying Generals Casey and Abizaid as weak, failed military leaders following policies that would lead to disaster. Furthering this view on Sunday's MTP, Senator McCain openly criticized Casey and stated that he was inclined to vote against General Casey on his nomination to the Joint Chiefs. In another version of the classic "stab in the back" theme, the neocon view is that they were right in leading us to war, but the weak, defeatest generals failed us. Fortunately, our wise Commander in Chief is setting things right, having replaced the wrong generals with the only General who is capable of getting our military strategy right. Expect more of the blame-the-past-generals theme in coming weeks as the neocons try to blame everyone but themselves for their disastrous foreign policies.
Yesterday's Washington Post article by Michael Abramowtiz and Peter Baker gives us the Administration's preferred image of a President almost Lincolnesque in his impatience with overly timid generals and his determination to force the military to recognize the merits of an aggressive escalation in pursuit of victory. The story conveys from Administration sources a portrait of a Commander in Chief whose dogged persistence and determination to win reversed the defeatist attitude among his own generals. The impression we're being sold is that our resolute President may have rescued the nation's failing Iraq policy and laid the foundation for the long wished for victory. No wonder his neocon supporters, whose plan appears to be the basis for Mr. Bush's strategy, are gloating and telling the rest of the country to just shut up.
What's interesting about this Lincolnesque portrait of Bush is that we've seen this picture before. Back on January 2, equally respected reporters at the New York Times, David Sanger, Michael Gordon and John Burns wrote a similar article, Chaos Overran Iraq in '06, Bush Team Says, (Times Select). That article described Mr. Bush as having become convinced over the course of 2006 that the strategy developed by General Casey and supported by General Abizaid and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld was failing. Their strategy emphasized the training of Iraqi security forces under the theory that "as the Iraqis stand up, US forces will stand down." Under this version of history, the military did not realize it's strategy was failing; the perceptive Mr. Bush did. Similarly, it was not Mr. Rumsfeld's many critics who convinced the President that Mr. Rumsfeld needed to be replaced; Mr. Bush came to that conclusion on his own based on his own realistic assessment of conditions on the ground and his astute recognition of the limits and obstinacy of his Secretary of Defense. The Times story shows the pattern:
Over the past 12 months, as optimism collided with reality, Mr. Bush increasingly found himself uneasy with General Casey's strategy. And now, as the image of Saddam Hussein at the gallows recedes, Mr. Bush seems all but certain not only to reverse the strategy that General Casey championed, but also to accelerate the general's departure from Iraq, according to senior military officials.
General Casey repeatedly argued that his plan offered the best prospect for reducing the perception that the United States remained an occupier — and it was a path he thought matched Mr. Bush's wishes. Earlier in the year, it had.
But as Baghdad spun further out of control, some of the president's advisers now say, Mr. Bush grew concerned that General Casey, among others, had become more fixated on withdrawal than victory.
Now, having ousted Mr. Rumsfeld, Mr. Bush sees a chance to bring in a new commander as he announces a new strategy, senior military officials say. General Casey was scheduled to shift out of Iraq in the summer. But now it appears that it may happen in February or March. . . .
Mr. Bush came to worry that it was not just his critics and Democrats in Congress who were looking for what he dismissed last month as a strategy of ''graceful exit.'' Visiting the Pentagon a few weeks ago for a classified briefing on Iraq with his generals, Mr. Bush made it clear that he was not interested in any ideas that would simply allow American forces to stabilize the violence. Gen. James T. Conway, the Marine commandant, later told marines about the president's message.
''What I want to hear from you is how we're going to win,'' he quoted the president as warning his commanders, ''not how we're going to leave.'' [emphasis mine]
The NYT story was at least limited to the more modest notion that even Mr. Bush could figure out that his policy was failing. By last fall, the whole country had figured that out. But the WaPo story goes significantly further, suggesting that Mr. Bush has now taken direct charge of military strategy and planning. Describing Bush's reaction last December to Iraq Prime Minister's proposal to allow Iraqi security forces to take over operations in Iraq, and al-Maliki's recommendation to move US forces to the periphery, we find the President taking personal charge of the US response:
The president listened intently to the unexpected proposal at their Nov. 30 meeting, according to accounts from several administration officials. Bush seemed impressed that Maliki had taken the initiative, but it did not take him long to reject the idea.By the time Bush returned to Washington, the plan had already been picked through by his military commanders. At a meeting in the White House's Roosevelt Room, the president flatly told his advisers that the Maliki plan was not going to work. He had concluded that the Iraqis were not up to the task and that Baghdad would collapse into chaos, making a bad situation worse. And so the Americans would have to help them.
A reconstruction of the administration's Iraq policy review, based on more than a dozen interviews with senior advisers, Bush associates, lawmakers and national security officials, reveals a president taking the lead in driving the process toward one more effort at victory — despite doubts along the way from his own military commanders, lawmakers and the public at large.
He never seriously considered beginning to withdraw U.S. forces, as urged by newly elected Democratic congressional leaders and the bipartisan Iraq Study Group. And he had grown skeptical of his own military commanders, who were telling him no more troops were needed.
So Bush relied on his own judgment that the best answer was to try once again to snuff out the sectarian violence in Baghdad, even at the risk of putting U.S. soldiers into a crossfire between Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias. When his generals resisted sending more troops, he seemed irritated. When they finally agreed to go along with the plan, he doubled the number of troops they requested. [emphasis mine]
The common source for these two spinnings includes Mr. Steven Hadley, the ever loyal Bush servant whose primary virtue has not been his success as National Security Adviser — by that measure he has been a spectacular and dangerous failure — but rather his unfailing attention to the security of the President's image. But even the dogged Mr. Hadley must overcome two critical obstacles.
First, if the brilliance of the President's plan is his insistence on having sufficient troops in Baghdad to achieve security in the face of the chaos his own policies and obstinance have helped create, then it appears he has miscalculated by half (about 18 – 20,000 troops) the minimum number of troops his own supporters think is needed. That's based on a comparison with the minimum requirements and recommendations of General Keane and Frederick Kagan, the original authors of the "surge" plan. Greg Djerejian provides a detailed comparison of their assessment versus the President's plan, and Glenn Greenwald provides further perspective here.
Of course, if Steve Gilliard is right that the US plans on taking on Sadr's Mahdi Army soon, then the number of additional troops being sent is even more deficient, because the Keane/Kagan plan explicitly argues against trying to do that while simultaneously moving troops into Sunni and mixed Sunni-Shia neighborhoods.
The reply might be, "But our Generals have now endorsed the plan, haven't they?" Well, if you're a general who started with the position that no additional troops were needed in the first place, or would undermine the policy of inducing the Iraqis to assume responsibility, then it would logically follow that any increase in US troops would be "enough." You'd have no incentive to argue the President's plan did not offer enough troops.
Second, and more important, nothing we have seen or heard from this President in his public appearances and utterances over the last six years supports the notion that he is anything other than an inarticulate, illogical and muddleheaded thinker who is incapable of putting together an honest, realistic and coherent assessment of anything as complicated as Iraq. After four years of Mr. Bush's Iraq lies, delusions and failures, I doubt the American people need any further proof of this, especially when the lives of American troops are the evidence. But this White House thinks it's okay to keep spinning away.
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His enabler’s bail out the failed dry drunk again. The meme now it’s the generals and the iraqi’s who are to blame.
Wow! Bush, the great military strategerian? who knew?
‘morning all…
ya gotta wonder how pissed is Casey? you do everything the little nitwit has asked and then you get blamed when it doesn’t work. I know I would be very, very mad.
FITZ! (just had to say it)
Bush reminds me more of Hitler than Lincoln.
scarecrow,
you are just getting better and better at this.
What a well put together, well written post!
Good morning, gang. Anyone in Indiana/Midwest? I have to fly there today and I’m concerned about the weather. It’s trying to snow here in Boston.
witchywoman @ 4
Can we all bow our heads for a moment of silence and collectively hope that THEY EMPANEL A FREAKIN’ JURY TODAY!
thank you
Seat the Jury!
mornin’, lhp…
klyde @
1
It is just a matter of time before they come for us.
The Washington Post story was another slimy bath in anonymous gossip, but I didn’t read it as making Bush look good. Maybe Abramaowitz and Baker deserve credit for allowing the president’s ass to show, or maybe they just didn’t do a good enough job of tailoring his latest suit of clothes.
The picture painted by the article is of an increasingly isolated president, running through generals who won’t give him what he wants. The remaining courtiers are desperate to keep the charade going, but afraid to identify themselves. Democracy in action!
OldCoastie @ 9
So, our new chant will be “free the Libby 13!” I confess to having mixed feelings about what happens in the next couple of days. The longer it takes to impanel a jury the more time it gives to Jane to recover and the more likely she’ll be there to watch Mr. Cheney sweat.
uggg… I truly hate the Lincoln comparison. I have personal experience with it. Just before the Kerry/Bush election, my girlfriend and I listened to one of my neocon friends go on and on about how the chimp was like Lincoln and that history would say that chimpy was one of the greatest presidents of all time for having the foresight and courage to wage the GWOT. He then went on to say how it wasn’t right to attack or question anyone’s military service — I later heard him spewing anti-Kerry swiftboat vets 4 truth propaganda… typical.
How long after the Chimp is out of office will it be before they start to rename airports after him, lobby for a monument and try to get his bust on the dime?
For the meantime, they can just buy the painting.
Pat Lang seems to think that Casey’s problem is that he wasn’t willing to lie to the Congress about the War! Glorious War!
ratatat @ 11,
think you’re right about the article’s unstated theme. i also think it’s almost comical that the white house tries to spin the same tired line to a public increasingly wise to it. on the other hand, they know they’ve already lost this war, so they’re going for the next one — the battle to be able to export war to the next theater, wherever it may be. the sense that they were stabbed in the back but had the right idea is essential to this.
by the way, how interesting that cheers are no longer guaranteed for bush even at military installations anymore. where exctly is his support?
ratatat @ 11
I agree that’s a plausible reading of the WaPo article, and I think all of these reporters are experienced, competent people. What I found interesting was the language in their report that “Bush thought” or “Bush concluded” instead of saying “a senior national security official described the President as concluding. . .” I think that’s an important distinction. Note the parts in bold, which are not qualified as to source.
OT – CNN confirms that the Blackhawk which went down and killed 12 US troops was brought down by a shoulder fired missile.
Shorter version:
Rove needs one more attempt to spin this as a victory for our Dear Leader.
-GSD
Even if he were shot, Bush would not be like Lincoln. It’s tragic how far the Republican Party has fallen by becoming the Party of Bush.
twolf1 @
17
*Personally handed to an insurgent by Mahmoud Ahamdinejad and Hugo Chavez.
-GSD
Ah, yes. And who could forget Bush’s historic address to the nation calling for shared sacrifice to support his dream of democracy in the Middle East? He was forceful and persuasive. His words were historic in their sweep. It was so…Lincolnish!
Oops, my bad. As Newsweek’s Howard Fineman put it, “George W. Bush spoke with all the confidence of a perp in a police lineup.” No doubt Stephen Hadley is combing old newspapers to find similar descriptions of the Gettysburg Address.
Scarecrow @ 12
Jane said she expected to be able to fly in 2 weeks (that woman is made of iron!)
Cheney is a defense witness. We still have to get through the entire prosecution case (which traditionally is longer thanthe defense case) before Cheney is on deck.
I think Jane will make it in time.
I’m hoping that someday the history books will say something like “Despite years of yellow journalism in major newspapers, the concept of President Bush (II) just never caught on with the American people. After the end of his presidency, the tendencey toward propaganda faded…”
ps. sent a leetle dough your way. Not much, maybe enough for a few cocktail weenies.
Although I’m conscious of a possible violation of Godwin’s Law here, I make no moral characterizations, a purely military comparison. So I claim I’m not subject to it. When things started going south at Stalingrad (but before they had actually become hopeless), Hitler started to believe that his generals lacked the will to win the war in the East. He took personal command of the Wehrmacht. He explicitly forbade them to retreat, independent of the circumstances. He personally took on oversight of every detail of the Eastern campaign.
Two years later the Russians were in Berlin.
Just sayin’.
And on that note: Hitler issued a “Nero Order” in March 1945, which
There’s a reason it’s called a bunker mentality.
Any similarity to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.
I wrote here last night that McCain is about to officially bury his presidential prospects by trying to knife General Casey in the back.
People, besides the fanatic, illogical, authoritarian worshipping 30%-ers are wise to the mendacity and incompetence of the Bush Whitehouse.
Nobody’s fooling nobody.
-GSD
put an “r” in impotant in last paragraph
Professor Foland
That is a wonderful comparison.
dipper @ 26
Thanks. It’s done. Refresh.
GSD @ 25
WHo is advising McCain? He went from the “staightalk express” (and if he had used his brain and temed up with Clark he could ahve saved both parties and the long suffering people of Iraq from the last two years of mayhem) to the bootlicking lackey, almost overnight.
What’s up with that?
Scarecrow — in mid-Michigan here, but just checked the radar/satellite combo for the Midwest, looks like between here and Muncie there is a continued chance of patchy light snow/flurries for the next 4-6 hours. Temp here is 17 deg F but warmer south of MI, would expect low 30’s in Indiana.
If you’re flying in south of line between Lafayette and Muncie, weather will be clearer and as well as warmer. High thin haze farther south, solid overcast farther north.
add to that religious zealot who believes the Book of Revelation is true, and you’ve got a science fiction movie.
What a fool I was to even hope that neocons would be completely discredited after the many failures in Iraq. They are still driving this train. I think jr. allowed the ISG just to shut Poppy up and perhaps, in the end he enjoyed giving them the back of his hand as a rebuke to Poppy, and running back to the underskirts of Cheney and the neocon cabal who are no doubt blowing the Lincoln analogy up his @$$ since he is so worried about his legacy.
My god these are evil people.
I’m sorry, but 78 people were killed in Iraq today and I’ve just had it with these people. They are like the flesh-eating zombies in Night of the Living Dead. They feed on the flesh and blood of innocents and cannot be stopped.
Maybe if we came after Kristol with a lit torch, he would shrink away from the flames and run into a cave or something. Then we could seal it up and hear from him no more.
Bush goes into the state of the union speech on the heels of one of the most deadly weekends in Iraq, period.
Also, the instability is now seeping to the north of Iraq too.
This Chimp is toast.
-GSD
Rayne – thanks for the weather report. I leave for Indianapolis this afternoon.
looseheadprop @ 29
he read the political tea leaves – and got it very wrong.
GSD @ 33
The thing is, he is too stupid/stubborn/intellectually dishonest tot realize it.
It’s like shooting (non silver) bullets into the undead. They just keep walking b/c they do not realize they are already dead.
ROTFLMFAO!!!! Oh, you keeeel! You keeeel!
Hey Rayne
I appreciate your comments about online education last night. It was sleepy time for me! markann at hotmail dot com
Rayne @ 29
McCain looked like he knew he was screwed this weekend on the morning shows.
Scarecrow — went and checked for alerts because of the temperature difference between here and Muncie (only 5-6 hour drive from here).
Looks like there could be freezing drizzle, maybe black ice conditions on the road first thing this morning. Check the link.
GSD @ 33
While the press gives credence to Lincoln comparisons. If he is toast, we certainly have very few mainstream journalists to thank for that.
mandrake @ 32
John Amato called Kristol “William the Bloody.” I’d shorten that to Bloody Bill.
Insanity and stupidity are not a good combination in a POTUS.
all right, everyone, heaving myself to my feet now – have an Excellent Day…!
could somone ask Fitzzy why the rove indictment was shelved? and two, how long are we going to hold out thinking this guy is going to provide some sanity?
China is shooting down satellites. Reports that Pakistans’ ISI is openly backing the Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan. The US poking Russia in the eye by planning a missile base in the Czech Republic. Somalia in war with US troops on the ground. Darfur in war. Sri Lanka in war. Zimbabwe a Hobbesian nightmare. Iran and North Korea openly hostile to the US. Israel run by fascists. Lebanon ready for another civil war. Saudi Arabia threatening to arm Sunnis in Iraq. Turkey preparing for unilateral action in Kurdish Iraq.
Any other foreign policy disasters we should know about?
-GSD
Rayne — thanks again for that link. Looks like it may warm up in the afternoon a bit.
raven — hey, no prob. Having raised a stepson (now in mid-20’s) and a middle-schooler and a elementary schooler at home, I’ve got the education thing covered from a parent’s perspective. Look forward to seeing more online programs like the ones you’re working on in the near future; they’re a great leveler. Or at least they can be if we can improve internet access for everyone.
Scarecrow — wave to my siblings as you fly in; have kin located in Kokomo and northern Indianapolis area.
lina @ 42
He certainly seems to get a bit “over-stimulated” when talking about sending other people’s kids to die. That plastic smile always seems to brighten a little.
I used to think they did it all for power, but I’m beginning to believe they sincerely get off on it.
They are one passel of sick f**ks. Sorry, all, I am pissed today.
McCain looked like he was in an insurgent video. It was probably shot in Cheney’s dank and clammy undisclosed location and McCains nuts were in a vice with Deadeye slowly turning the screw.
-GSD
GSD @ 33
It looks like somebody else still has the keys to the tank, a pocket full of credit cards and a propaganda machine to revise history as they want it.
I agree with mandrake’s comment.
also…
One can’t win a game of Calvinball if one doesn’t understand the rules.
OldCoastie @ 39
I saw that, too. It looked like the Straight Talk Express had run out of steam… He projected close to the same automaton qualities as Bush did in his library speech…barely any vocal inflections at all.
GSD @ 46
Canada is really pissed at us over Maher Arar and the Canadians are generally rather pleasant tempered.
Paul MillR @ 45
Why are you so sure it was? the only one to have ever said that was Gold Bars Luskin.
The McCain has three big problems: 1] he has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer; 2]his ambition has exposed a less than saintly character; and, 3] his age.
rumi @ 53
The typically mild-mannered Leahy is certainly pissed about it! Anyone see his “moment” when he finally lost it on Bobby McWeaver (Gonzo)? Priceless.
South Orange County Democrat @ 52
Are you saying that McCain has become a hand puppet now too.
Speaking of puppets. It’s been SUCH a long time since KO did one of those popsicle puppet theatres.
David Schuster, if you are lurking here’s a thought:
Since no cameras are allowed in the courtroom, you guys could do ice cream stick theatre each night recapping what happened in court that day.
Remember, that’s how Nightline got started, covering a single story, day after day. Of course, Koppel didn’t have nifty puppets, nor did he get to eat the icecream off the stick first.
The comic at the top of the thread reminds me of a “green army men” design my husband did three years ago. Off to put that one on some buttons.
South Orange County Democrat @ 51
I’m tempted to say he looked like a hostage, but that would be unkind. The only time he got animated was when restating the dire consequences of what would happen if we “failed” in Iraq. This has become the neocons’ favorite argument, and I have yet to hear any interviewer ask them why we should listen to someone who got us into such a predicament that failure would be catastrophic but is very likely.
By my count, there were three shrub suck-up pieces in the WaPo yesterday (albeit, one was for Jebbie shrub).
QUOTE So Bush relied on his own judgment that the best answer was to try once again to snuff out the sectarian violence in Baghdad, even at the risk of putting U.S. soldiers into a crossfire between Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias. UNQUOTE What is this, a special edition of WaPo suck up to the First AWOL Cokehead day? Bush and judgement ONLY belong in the same sentence when there are modifiers such as lack, impaired, and absent.
By ifthethunderdontgetya | Jan 21, 2007 10:47:01 AM | Request Removal
That was my helpful addition to the always entertaining WaPo comments section. For my next project, I plan to remember that judgment only has one ‘e’.
The WaPo pieces are taking on a surreal quality. They have moved from angering to frightening. The notion that Bush has any idea what to do in terms of military strategy is preposterous. Even he does not imagine that he does.
I suspect that he is the intended audience for this story — they are trying to puff him up enough to get through one more SOTU without throwing up on national television.
OK, completely OT, but it’s good news.
Babay Mittens has become a big sister. Yes, the little puppy (now a big puppy) has 4 brand new puppy siters and a new puppy brother, all yellow labs. Same set of parents as Mittens’.
Once again, Mama do is nuts and a danger ot her puppies, but the almost ex Mr. Prop has been valiently sleeping in the whelping room to keep her from harming them.
So far she has alloed their daddy to enter the whelping room, but not to actually see or sniff his projeny. Mittens has not been allowed in yet, but she clearly senses the excitemetn inthe air and has been merrily shredding all the waste paper in Mr. Prop’s home office basket and decorating the house with the resulting confetti.
She is very happy about having siblins once again.
looks like some live Libby blogging going on upstairs
old gold @ 55
He has a fourth problem: he decided to become John McBush.
maybe someone could summerize where we are in the Whitewater, I mean Plame leak, investigation re: money, time and indictments, and jury establishment, for that matter, I’ll answer my own question, maybe they played the black box tape of the Wellstone plane crash so that Fitx knew who and what he was dealing with
LHP – we expect pictures
twolf1 @ 13
Isn’t there already an airport in TX named for shrub, or is that poppy I’m thinking about? There was an interesting bit somewhere on tv (maybe over the weekend) re. the pitfalls of naming big objects ie. university buildings, stadiums, etc. after the living. Whoever was talking tied it to Ney & something named after him on a campus in Ohio. One of those oooopsie moments……….hey, guys, is it time to place an order for a new sign? Geeezzzzz, there really *was* a good reason why waiting ’til someone was dead before you stuck their name on it used to be the commonly accepted practice.
New Libby thread.
First Reagan, now Lincoln. Comparing Bush to any former President is an insult to that former President, even Nixon. At least Nixon had the good manners to resign.
Bush keeps, and will continue, sending Americans to their graves. Not to mention Iraqis.
When will people start marching in the street? And not just in Washington but all over the country. I don’t know any other way to stop this madman.
Robert Paehlke @ 60
That’s an interesting theory. Again, I agree with ratatat’s comment that the WaPo was not deliberately spinning; it was the White House doing so. And maybe part of their intended audience was the President’s own ego.
NK nukes on FP list.
I think the metaphor of Lincoln is for the base. Zogby asked about past Pres.s here:
http://www.zogby.com/News/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1232
Offered thumbnail descriptions of the presidential qualities, including the names of five of the greatest American Presidents – George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan – respondents nationwide said Reagan’s qualities are most sought after, with FDR a very close second. Twenty–eight percent said they would prefer someone like Reagan, whose “far-sighted vision” and who “persevered despite harsh criticism from enemies and was firm in pursuing his agenda.” Nearly as many (26%) said they preferred the “pragmatism and hopefulness of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who inspired a nation in trouble and championed the needs of the downtrodden.”
WaPo this AM:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00236.html
Confidence in Bush Leadership Continues to Drop, Poll Finds
By Dan Balz and Jon Cohen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, January 22, 2007; 7:00 AM
McChurian Candidate, imho.
“…Going to the candidate’s debate.
Everyway you look at it you lose…”
iirc
He’s going down as the Worst President Ever and there’s nothing the neocons can do about it!
Sally @
5
Exactly! That was my very first thought. But Hitler had at least seen active duty during WW I.
Lina @31 and Mandrake@32 make excellent points. Professor Foland’s Godwin’s Law piece @24 is brilliant. Sally @5 comment is apt.
Scarecrow, I don’t know how or if you kept a straight face writing those first paragraphs! Nice work.
Lincoln, my *ss! Was Lincoln an uneducated*, obnoxious, smirking, flatulent, hardheaded dumb*ss, too? I think not. Flatulent maybe.
Just because you went to school (the best schools, at that), doesn’t mean that you’ve been educated.
twolf1 @ 66
Oh Crap! I meant to download them off Littleprops phone last night. Rats! she is already off to school.
A non-godwin analogy could be made to LBJ ‘65-66. Commissioned ‘pacification’ study/practice.
And troops….lord. Something like 150k to nearly 400k. In about 12-18 months. There’s a familiar timeline/strategery.
State of the Union: Unhappy With Bush
-via huffpo
looseheadprop @ 62
Nothing like furry, pudgy baby Labs to make you forget your troubles! Jeez, they are cute.
Kind of reminds me of this:
“The disaster before Moscow in December 1941 led him to dismiss his Commander-in-Chief von Brauchitsch, and many other key commanders who sought permission for tactical withdrawals, including Guderian, Bock, Hoepner, von Rundstedt and Leeb, found themselves cashiered. Hitler now assumed personal control of all military operations, refusing to listen to advice, disregarding unpalatable facts and rejecting everything that did not fit into his preconceived picture of reality. His neglect of the Mediterranean theatre and the Middle East, the failure of the Italians, the entry of the United States into the war, and above all the stubborn determination of the Russians, pushed Hitler on to the defensive. From the winter of 1941 the writing was on the wall but Hitler refused to countenance military defeat, believing that implacable will and the rigid refusal to abandon positions could make up for inferior resources and the lack of a sound overall strategy.”
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrar…..itler.html
Lincoln’s beard trimmings were more intelligent than this failed war criminal who pretends to be the Commander in Chief.
Phydeaux @ 81
lol
looseheadprop @ 75
OK. We will be expecting them at 3:30ish then? ;)
OldCoastie @ 3
He’s going to get his chance to be publicly pissed when he goes before Congress. I’m sure that some questions will be planted that he can’t refuse under oath. A bit of Kabuki. More popcorn, please.
Knut Wicksell @
84
GOPcorn
mandrake @
32
I said a few threads ago that until Kristol becomes an elected official (yeah, like that’ll happen,) we the people need to make it clear to him that he dare not tell our elected representatives to “just be quiet.” It would also be nice if we could clarify with the Congress that they are our elected reps, and we expect them to be very vocal and take whatever actions are necessary to stop “the Rogue President Who Would Be King.”
Perle: ‘I Have Very Little Doubt’ That Bush Would Order ‘Necessary Military Action’ Against Iran
Is there a better analog than bush and hitler at about the same amount of time at war?
funny how they are so similar, and so different. Hitler had absolute control and was deaf and blind with facts. 4 years in, he was having real troubles
bush is 4 years in, and is firing all his generals because they tell him that things aren’t going well, and can’t go well no matter what. He acts like he is in complete control, and has, and I will assume a few here, subverted every department of the government that his cabal deemed necessary to make profits for themselves, and to place those same contributors in jobs that they don’t belong.
so, two warlike persons, both quite delusional about the end game.
two, separated from their reality due to massive drug use. two claiming their government is one type, but it being obvious that they both share fascism, or perhaps the goal to create monarchy with them at the god head. Hiring the unqualified, the perverse, to do jobs on the population with the intention of making sheep stand in line. Turning the media into their own propaganda outlet to spread their word.
there are numerous differences, but the similarities show a common goal. absolute power. what surprises me most is that this is so obvious to anyone that looks. so we must assume that a large percentage of people approve of a totalitarian united states. these people also appear willing to become part of the machine, the party.
the national socialist party.
Funny bumper stickers:
That’s OK; I Wasn’t Using My Civil Liberties Anyway
Let’s Fix Democracy in This Country First
If You Want a Nation Ruled By Religion, Move to Iran
Bush. Like a Rock. Only Dumber.
If You Can Read This, You’re Not Our President
Of Course It Hurts: You’re Getting Screwed by an Elephant
Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet?
George Bush: Creating the Terrorists Our Kids Will Have to Fight
Impeachment: It’s Not Just for Blowjobs Anymore
America: One Nation, Under Surveillance
They Call Him “W” So He Can Spell It
No, Seriously, Why Did We Invade Iraq?
Bush: God’s Way of Proving Intelligent Design is Full Of Crap
Bad President! No Banana.
We Need a President Who’s Fluent In At Least One Language
We’re Making Enemies Faster Than We Can Kill Them
Is It Vietnam Yet?
When Bush Took Office, Gas Was $1.46
The Republican Party: Our Bridge to the 11th Century
What Part of “Bush Lied” Don’t You Understand?
One Nation Under Clod
2004: Embarrassed 2005: Horrified 2006: Terrified
Bush Never Exhaled
At Least Nixon Resigned
George Bush isn’t qualified to lead a platoon into combat, much less tell an army.
oldtree @ 88
Compare and contrast (as we say in my game).
The H-man was like the Bush-man in that he believed that his country had lost the previous war through weakness of will, aided and abetted by the elites (whom he identified with the Jews). The elites didn’t know anything about war, because they hadn’t been on the frontline (that’s actually a contrast as the Shrubster avoided service). In particular, they didn’t understand that the best defense is a good offense. The Generals didn’t understand that either. Just like they didn’t understand that all this folderol about supply lines, etc. is just military academic claptrap.
Differences: Bush is dumber. Second and more important difference, this nation is more resilient and has more defenses against fascism than Germany did. More of us are prepared to be ‘trouble-makers’. Another point: if you look at the Democratic leadership, you find that the core resistance is in the age group 60 to 75. We are old and rich, and they can’t do anything to us anymore! And we fought this fight once before.
The nation is different. But the personalities and policies are frighteningly similar.
This is way off topic but is there anything more moronic than a 46 year old never married man telling women that they have to be married to be fullfilled?
What’s funny, in a mordant kind of way, about comparing Bush to Lincoln is that Bush’s government is of the Dixies, by the Dixies, and for the Dixies.
For the record, Jefferson Davis did his share of intervening in military matters. Not counting his good luck the day Joe Johnston was wounded, bumping Lee into command of the Army of Virginia, Davis’s interventions were uniformly disastrous.
Another bit of revisionism to consider. Apparently Bush’s plan isn’t in contrast to the Iraq Study Group plan, it is very similar to it. Except, of course, for the pesky negotiate with Iran and Syria parts.
Here’s a link to the analysis.
Bush and the Iraq Study Group: Closer than We Thought?
NIE still MIA.
One way that BUsh and Hitler are similar: they both have enable the Bush family to greatly increase its wealth.
Spot on, Scarecrow!
Warner is introducing a resolution against the escalation. Now, if only he would stroll over to the Oval Office with a message……….
Jail to the Chief!
If I recall correctly my reading of the history of the eastern front during WWII that at a similar moment in the war (with German troops facing serious reverses), der Fuhrer took over (at least the overall direction) from incompetent generals who did not show sufficient will to win.
Bush as Lincoln. Hmmmm. Let’s start with the fact that Lincoln was born dirt poor and worked damn hard all his life. He was a fairly prominent attorney even before he became president. (Not nationally prominent, but certainly regionally.)
As for the war, let’s start with Fort Sumter. Lincoln very patiently bided his time so that the first shots would not be fired by the Union. He did not invent provocation as Bush did with Iraq, nor did he seize on the first provocation that he was offered. Lincoln also knew enough about international relations — I don’t know that “international law” was a concept then — that he very studiously avoided calling the war a “war.” Wars, he knew, were fought between nations. He was not going to use any language that could be used to suggest the Confederate states were a separate nation.
During the major battles, Lincoln would haunt the telegraph room of the War Office, waiting for any and all news from the front. Contrast this with Mr. Bush sleeping soundly, or pumping his fist and declaring “I feel good!”
Lincoln didn’t overrule his generals — he mainly asked that they do their jobs. Most telling is one of his earliest comments about a certain General Grant: “I cannot spare this man. He fights.” Unlike a lot of his generals Lincoln understood the nature of the war he was presented with — they viewed it in terms of winning battlefields; he knew that ultimately they had to smash the rebel army. When he finally found generals willing to fight the war, he stopped kibbitzing and let them get on about their business.
Lincoln never forgot, and never let anyone else forget, that those who had taken up arms were still Americans, and should have the rights and benefits of being an American restored as soon as practicable. Contrast that with Mr. Bush, who believes anyone who does not agree with him is entitled to nothing — not the rights, not the pride, not the government of an American.
Then there is religion. Lincoln quoted and echoed the bible a lot. But he did it inclusively, drawn to the loftiness of phrase and the words that bore most directly on human affairs. Bush invokes the bible to send coded messges to his most delusional followers.
Both Bush and Lincoln used vowels and consonants to spell their names. Both Bush and Lincoln had opposable thumbs. Both Bush and Lincoln had one eye on either side of their nose. That’s about all they have in common.
Bush isn’t even a Ford, for chrissake. There’s no way he can be a Lincoln.
I was just thinking of what della Rovere wrote. Scary times.
Also, 2 points:
a) of those 20-30,00 tropps, how many are shooters and patrollers? How many will stay in the green zone? That number, the shooters and patrollers, are what counts. Not just more bunks in the green zone.
and
b) Every other part of Bush II’s history shows a person put in charge, buggering things up, and then leaving the mess to someone else. His baseball and oil ventures? Someone buys him out (FOBI, or friends of Bush I) and the company fails or depreciates as he cashes his check.
So, I agree with those who say this surge is simply a way to prolong the war past his presidency, so he can bail out and say “Not my problem” one more time.
Don’t forget the backdrop chosen to project our fearless leader’s superior intellect:
The White House Library room.
The comparisons with Lincoln by our fanatic right-wingers are clearly self-serving. A better case can be made for the similarities between Bush and Jefferson Davis. Dissatisfied with the skillful but defensive maneuvering by Joseph Johnston outside of Atlanta, Davis opted to replace Johnston by John Bell Hood a Texan of a very aggressive nature. Here is an account of how he fared:
“As the army was forced back to the outskirts of Atlanta, Jefferson Davis relieved Joe Johnston of command of the army, and replaced him with Hood. Davis had become disenchanted with Johnston’s defensive, delaying tactics and hoped that Hood would prove to be more aggressive and forceful. He was not to be disappointed in this regard. Hood wasted no time in launching a series of ill-considered and unsuccessful counterattacks which did little to prevent Sherman’s slow strangulation of Atlanta. He was finally forced to evacuate the city.
Having been ejected from Atlanta, Hood attempted to interdict Sherman’s supply lines. Failing this, he led his army off to threaten the Ohio Valley in the hope that Sherman would follow him out of Georgia. Instead, Sherman assigned Thomas’ army to deal with him.
Aggressive as ever, Hood virtually wrecked his own army, throwing it into a series of reckless frontal assaults against the Union forces at Franklin. Thomas finished it off at Nashville soon after. Retreating with the remaining fragments to Tupelo, Mississippi, he relinquished his command in January of 1865.”
Sooooooo, this is all Bush’s policy from here on in?
Well then, I guess we can look back in one F.U. and see how it’s all working out. But who will they blame the impending disaster on 6 months from now, if this strategery is really really really Bush’s idea this time?
Bush’s delegatory skills:
“I trust your judgement entirely, General.
Now do everything I tell you or else.”
I totally disagree! As I heard on the radio the other day, Bush is EXACTLY like Lincoln — they both have holes in their heads! YUCK! YUCK!
lina @ 42
why would you want to insult “Bloody Bill Anderson” like that ???
Bloody Bill Anderson may have been a war criminal, but at least Bloody Bill had the balls to do the fighting himself
kristol is a cocktail wienie warrior. he talks a good game in the upscale parties in Washington DC, but kristol hasn’t ever been on a real battle field
klyde @ 92
some guys will say ANYTHING to get a date
this is obviously a sample mating tactic from a rather DESPERATE male
OldCoastie @ 2
Bush knows that the strategery has to be a strategery for victory, not a strategery for defeat. And he knows that we won’t lose unless we leave. Ergo, any strategery that keeps us there is a strategery for victory. That’s all he needs to know.
The plan is simply
Misere
We stay in Iraq until after the next pResident is sworn in and then when we “lose” it’s their fault
I’d love it if somebody asked him to sketch a rough map of Iraq.
Bet he couldn’t do it.
Nice post scarecrow. Imagine if nobody clapped at the scotus.