<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: A Light Into The Darkness</title>
	<atom:link href="http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/</link>
	<description>Firedoglake weblog</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:04:42 -0600</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: marquer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469963</link>
		<dc:creator>marquer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469963</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;And people take it, because it’s all there is.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Except for the fact that it’s not all there is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They have a ballot box available for their use.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And twice in a row, they voted for Chimpus Maximus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because, I suppose, The Jeebus hates him some faggots.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My sympathy for the Appalachian downtrodden would be greatly magnified if they were not such frequent and enthusiastic collaborators in their own economic and political exploitation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know a couple of people who grew up in WV. They got the hell out as fast as they could. One said that in his home town, reading a book in public was and is a surefire way to get the shit kicked out of you by the local young toughs. That’s a backward-ass culture by anyone’s definition. (Just as it is in black ghettos. Wilful ignorance knows no color bar.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let ‘em start reading and voting in something other than a pathetically retrogressive way and we’ll see what happens.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And people take it, because it’s all there is.</em></p>
<p>Except for the fact that it’s not all there is.</p>
<p>They have a ballot box available for their use.</p>
<p>And twice in a row, they voted for Chimpus Maximus.</p>
<p>Because, I suppose, The Jeebus hates him some faggots.</p>
<p>My sympathy for the Appalachian downtrodden would be greatly magnified if they were not such frequent and enthusiastic collaborators in their own economic and political exploitation.</p>
<p>I know a couple of people who grew up in WV. They got the hell out as fast as they could. One said that in his home town, reading a book in public was and is a surefire way to get the shit kicked out of you by the local young toughs. That’s a backward-ass culture by anyone’s definition. (Just as it is in black ghettos. Wilful ignorance knows no color bar.)</p>
<p>Let ‘em start reading and voting in something other than a pathetically retrogressive way and we’ll see what happens.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: GuyFromOhio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469720</link>
		<dc:creator>GuyFromOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469720</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-469009&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;angelina @ 46 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Another good movie about mining and unions was Matawan (I hope I spelled it correctly).  If Americans really studied labor history in this country, they would be appalled at the corruption and colusion of government against the people.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093509/&quot;&gt;Matewan&lt;/a&gt; should be required viewing for every American.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GFO&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-469009"><em>angelina @ 46 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Another good movie about mining and unions was Matawan (I hope I spelled it correctly).  If Americans really studied labor history in this country, they would be appalled at the corruption and colusion of government against the people.</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093509/">Matewan</a> should be required viewing for every American.</p>
<p>-GFO</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Terry in Maryland</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469203</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry in Maryland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469203</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;My Mom’s side of the family were immigrant miners in Penna, that stretch between Altoona and Johnstown (Laurel Highlands).  “Dumb Hunkies”, along with their Irish and Italian neighbors, going down dark and dangerous holes in the ground to feed and educate their kids.  I never knew my grandfather or some of my other male relatives.  Work place accidents and lung disease took them before I was born.  My mental images of them come from old photos, men walking home covered in black dust and carrying lunch buckets.  These days, the mines are mostly closed.  The hills in that area have the soft coal and are pretty much tapped out anyway.  The men who were miners recently have mostly moved on to other industries, hopefully safer ones. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So much changed in the mines just during my Grandfather’s life.  He arrived in the US as a kid in the late 1890’s and went to work straight in the mines, like so many of them did.  The improvement in working conditions, both in terms of child labor, length of work days, and health conditions, were a direct result of the Union.  Mom said that every night at Grace, they’d thank God for their food and thank God for the United Mine Workers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As Christy has said better than I ever could, we’ve been backsliding.  Bush has been breaking the Unions, dismantling workplace safety rules, and diluting environmental and health protections.  We can’t let this occur.  We can’t as a society return to the world my Grandfather worked in (regardless of the industry in question) and Upton Sinclair exposed (he was from Baltimore, btw).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Mom’s side of the family were immigrant miners in Penna, that stretch between Altoona and Johnstown (Laurel Highlands).  “Dumb Hunkies”, along with their Irish and Italian neighbors, going down dark and dangerous holes in the ground to feed and educate their kids.  I never knew my grandfather or some of my other male relatives.  Work place accidents and lung disease took them before I was born.  My mental images of them come from old photos, men walking home covered in black dust and carrying lunch buckets.  These days, the mines are mostly closed.  The hills in that area have the soft coal and are pretty much tapped out anyway.  The men who were miners recently have mostly moved on to other industries, hopefully safer ones. </p>
<p>So much changed in the mines just during my Grandfather’s life.  He arrived in the US as a kid in the late 1890’s and went to work straight in the mines, like so many of them did.  The improvement in working conditions, both in terms of child labor, length of work days, and health conditions, were a direct result of the Union.  Mom said that every night at Grace, they’d thank God for their food and thank God for the United Mine Workers.</p>
<p>As Christy has said better than I ever could, we’ve been backsliding.  Bush has been breaking the Unions, dismantling workplace safety rules, and diluting environmental and health protections.  We can’t let this occur.  We can’t as a society return to the world my Grandfather worked in (regardless of the industry in question) and Upton Sinclair exposed (he was from Baltimore, btw).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Robyne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469162</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469162</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;We lived across the border from Wales and used to take food every weekend to the Welsh miners during the year long Miners’ strike when Thatcher was determined to get them. After whining about how tought our life was I got see how tough some peoples’ lives really are. I will never forget those amazing people who stayed together despite the cold ferocity of the Iron Lady…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We lived across the border from Wales and used to take food every weekend to the Welsh miners during the year long Miners’ strike when Thatcher was determined to get them. After whining about how tought our life was I got see how tough some peoples’ lives really are. I will never forget those amazing people who stayed together despite the cold ferocity of the Iron Lady…</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: brakeman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469157</link>
		<dc:creator>brakeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469157</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hauled coal out of Bluefield east by rail in the 70’s. During the strikes, miners respected us even though they could have made things very difficult and dangerous. A few jack-rocks here and there to remind management, but a finer group of people I couldn’t imagine. Thanks for the article.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hauled coal out of Bluefield east by rail in the 70’s. During the strikes, miners respected us even though they could have made things very difficult and dangerous. A few jack-rocks here and there to remind management, but a finer group of people I couldn’t imagine. Thanks for the article.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469125</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469125</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-468910&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Twisted Martini @&lt;br /&gt;
                18              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Amazing post Christy.  I know you’ll dig this, one of Sting’s songs that I recently rediscovered is “We Work the Black Seam” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRc3u0mzSOI&quot;&gt;Sting’s song&lt;/a&gt; when I saw that grimy face on the front page.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Power was to become cheap and clean&lt;br /&gt;
Grimy faces were never seen&lt;br /&gt;
But deadly for twelve thousand years is carbon fourteen&lt;br /&gt;
We work the black seam together&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for this tune:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;O Daddy won’t you take me back to Muhlenburg County&lt;br /&gt;
Down by the Green River where paradise lay&lt;br /&gt;
I’m sorry my son but you’re too late in asking&lt;br /&gt;
Mr. Peabody’s coal train done hauled it away&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s ‘Paradise’ by John Prine.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-468910"><em>Twisted Martini @<br />
                18              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Amazing post Christy.  I know you’ll dig this, one of Sting’s songs that I recently rediscovered is “We Work the Black Seam” </p>
</blockquote>
<p>I thought of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRc3u0mzSOI">Sting’s song</a> when I saw that grimy face on the front page.</p>
<blockquote><p>Power was to become cheap and clean<br />
Grimy faces were never seen<br />
But deadly for twelve thousand years is carbon fourteen<br />
We work the black seam together</p>
</blockquote>
<p>As for this tune:</p>
<blockquote><p>O Daddy won’t you take me back to Muhlenburg County<br />
Down by the Green River where paradise lay<br />
I’m sorry my son but you’re too late in asking<br />
Mr. Peabody’s coal train done hauled it away</p>
</blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>It’s ‘Paradise’ by John Prine.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Nora</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469049</link>
		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469049</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;My great-grandfather and grandfather worked the Welsh valleys before they came to the Ohio coalfields.  My great-grandfather, who had begun in the mines at 10, finally came out of the tunnels and opened a bar.  He did jail time for selling booze to miners on Sunday, their only off time.  One uncle was killed in a mine; another injured.  My grandfather died of black lung. I can recall the deaths underground of at least four fathers of school friends. When the miners struck for higher wages, most of the local mines were closed–and the wealth went with the owners.  Many families joined the migration north to what is now the rust belt.  Others stayed put–it is beautiful land which they love, but Southeastern Ohio has been struggling for years. I was lucky.  My dad made college possible for me.  But my school friends, most very able?  Only one other went to college.  This was a long time ago, but unfortunately, it’s not very different today.  Such a waste of talent!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My great-grandfather and grandfather worked the Welsh valleys before they came to the Ohio coalfields.  My great-grandfather, who had begun in the mines at 10, finally came out of the tunnels and opened a bar.  He did jail time for selling booze to miners on Sunday, their only off time.  One uncle was killed in a mine; another injured.  My grandfather died of black lung. I can recall the deaths underground of at least four fathers of school friends. When the miners struck for higher wages, most of the local mines were closed–and the wealth went with the owners.  Many families joined the migration north to what is now the rust belt.  Others stayed put–it is beautiful land which they love, but Southeastern Ohio has been struggling for years. I was lucky.  My dad made college possible for me.  But my school friends, most very able?  Only one other went to college.  This was a long time ago, but unfortunately, it’s not very different today.  Such a waste of talent!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Peterr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469013</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 04:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469013</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inblogs.net/angryblackbitch/2007/01/blog-for-choice-pro-choice-for-life.html&quot;&gt;Angry Black Bitch&lt;/a&gt; has a thing or two to say about “choices” - personal and governmental. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hear me on this, for a bitch is a witness to choice on a different level as it relates to me and mine…to sisters of color…and the poor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, let’s talk about sex…about “down there” and why some of my sisters can’t call it by name even after their child was born through it. About a government that spends millions to protect ignorance but scoffs at the idea of promoting knowledge. Women of color need to recognize…our fists should be raised in anger! Listen to what is being said…that women of color aren’t capable of making sound medical decisions…that knowing shit is dangerous for us…that we don’t value our reproductive future and that we are unfit to decide what the fuck that future should be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t come at me with rhetorical bullshit when actions have been speaking volumes in my community of St. Louis city for years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When STD infections and unplanned teen pregnancies are more prevalent than stable employment and decent grocery stores in the hood.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When HIV/AIDS infection rates are rising for women of color and many don’t even know their status.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When infertility treatments are being denied some while politicians pontificate about the sanctity of the lives of others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When fearing a generation of AIDS orphans is no longer a third world only concern.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is that about choice?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You bet your ass it is. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Members of Congress may moan and groan about facing tough choices, but I have a feeling that they know not of what they speak. ABB knows, and she speaks loudly and clearly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.inblogs.net/angryblackbitch/2007/01/blog-for-choice-pro-choice-for-life.html">Angry Black Bitch</a> has a thing or two to say about “choices” &#8211; personal and governmental. </p>
<blockquote><p>Hear me on this, for a bitch is a witness to choice on a different level as it relates to me and mine…to sisters of color…and the poor.</p>
<p>So, let’s talk about sex…about “down there” and why some of my sisters can’t call it by name even after their child was born through it. About a government that spends millions to protect ignorance but scoffs at the idea of promoting knowledge. Women of color need to recognize…our fists should be raised in anger! Listen to what is being said…that women of color aren’t capable of making sound medical decisions…that knowing shit is dangerous for us…that we don’t value our reproductive future and that we are unfit to decide what the fuck that future should be.</p>
<p>Don’t come at me with rhetorical bullshit when actions have been speaking volumes in my community of St. Louis city for years.</p>
<p>When STD infections and unplanned teen pregnancies are more prevalent than stable employment and decent grocery stores in the hood.</p>
<p>When HIV/AIDS infection rates are rising for women of color and many don’t even know their status.</p>
<p>When infertility treatments are being denied some while politicians pontificate about the sanctity of the lives of others.</p>
<p>When fearing a generation of AIDS orphans is no longer a third world only concern.</p>
<p>Is that about choice?</p>
<p>You bet your ass it is. </p>
</blockquote>
<p>Members of Congress may moan and groan about facing tough choices, but I have a feeling that they know not of what they speak. ABB knows, and she speaks loudly and clearly.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Oilfieldguy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469011</link>
		<dc:creator>Oilfieldguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 04:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469011</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good post CHS.  Plus I read the article you linked to.  Amazing the sense of duty and accomplishment people desire.  I waved a big ol’ hand as I drove by your town today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like good hardworking people, and I like intellectual professionals, but those professionals who truefully appreciate the hard working folks, without a hint of superiority or intent of exploitation, are the best people I know.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I count you as one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post CHS.  Plus I read the article you linked to.  Amazing the sense of duty and accomplishment people desire.  I waved a big ol’ hand as I drove by your town today.</p>
<p>I like good hardworking people, and I like intellectual professionals, but those professionals who truefully appreciate the hard working folks, without a hint of superiority or intent of exploitation, are the best people I know.</p>
<p>I count you as one.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: angelina</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469009</link>
		<dc:creator>angelina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 04:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/22/a-light-into-the-darkness/#comment-469009</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;My father came from WV around Clarksburg.  My grandparents came from Italy and settled there.  All my uncles worked in the mines but finally left for Detroit to work in the auto plants just before WWII.  My father was one of the youngest so he actually got a degree (the only one).  All my uncles had black lung.  What a tough life they had.  There are many reasons for unions and OSHA.  I hope we can reclaim what we have lost in the last 30 years for labor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They all missed WV and wished they could go back.  I think they missed the mountains and the green.  Detroit was a big city and so grey in the winter to them.  Jane Fonda did a film called the Doll Maker about the migration of Appalacians to Detroit and the cultural difficulties of the move to a northern industrial city.  Another good movie about mining and unions was Matawan (I hope I spelled it correctly).  If Americans really studied labor history in this country, they would be appalled at the corruption and colusion of government against the people.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father came from WV around Clarksburg.  My grandparents came from Italy and settled there.  All my uncles worked in the mines but finally left for Detroit to work in the auto plants just before WWII.  My father was one of the youngest so he actually got a degree (the only one).  All my uncles had black lung.  What a tough life they had.  There are many reasons for unions and OSHA.  I hope we can reclaim what we have lost in the last 30 years for labor.</p>
<p>They all missed WV and wished they could go back.  I think they missed the mountains and the green.  Detroit was a big city and so grey in the winter to them.  Jane Fonda did a film called the Doll Maker about the migration of Appalacians to Detroit and the cultural difficulties of the move to a northern industrial city.  Another good movie about mining and unions was Matawan (I hope I spelled it correctly).  If Americans really studied labor history in this country, they would be appalled at the corruption and colusion of government against the people.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
