
Well, THIS has been a long time coming, but is most welcome:
The new chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee on Friday sharply criticized the Bush administration’s increasingly combative stance toward Iran, saying that White House efforts to portray it as a growing threat are uncomfortably reminiscent of rhetoric about Iraq before the American invasion of 2003.
Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, the West Virginia Democrat who took control of the committee this month, said that the administration was building a case against Tehran even as American intelligence agencies still know little about either Iran’s internal dynamics or its intentions in the Middle East.
“To be quite honest, I’m a little concerned that it’s Iraq again,” Senator Rockefeller said during an interview in his office. “This whole concept of moving against Iran is bizarre.”
Mr. Rockefeller did not say which aspects of the Bush administration’s case against Iran he thought were not supported by solid intelligence. He did say he agreed with the White House that Iranian operatives inside Iraq were supporting Shiite militias and working against American troops.
Mr. Rockefeller said he believed President Bush was getting poor advice from advisers who argue that an uncompromising stance toward the government in Tehran will serve American interests.
“I don’t think that policy makers in this administration particularly understand Iran,” he said….
Because Mr. Rockefeller is one of a handful of lawmakers with access to the most classified intelligence about the threat from Iran, his views carry particular weight. He has also historically been more tempered in his criticism of the White House on national security issues than some of his Democratic colleagues.
Mr. Rockefeller was biting in his criticism of how President Bush has dealt with the threat of Islamic radicalism since the Sept. 11 attacks, saying he believed that the campaign against international terrorism was “still a mystery” to the president.
“I don’t think he understands the world,” Mr. Rockefeller said. “I don’t think he’s particularly curious about the world…."
When the NYTimes says that Rockefeller has historically been "more tempered," that may be the understatement of the century. Having met my Senator a number of times through the years, and having had a lengthy and frank discussion with him and a chief aide at a function shortly after Valerie Plame Wilson was outed by Novak's column, I can tell you without hesitation that he has been simmering to a boil for quite a long time with regard to the Bush Administration's contempt for differing views and their efforts to suppress any and all criticism or conflicting information from their chosen course of action, but also for their flouting of the Constitution and the laws of this nation in favor of a monarchical "unilateral executive" assertion at every turn.
But it has never been his way to jump out in front with a flashy presser and a public rant — it just is not who Jay Rockefeller is, or is ever likely to be.
Which makes this article and interview in the NYTimes all the more pointed for its direct, and occasionally snarky, criticism. It is good stuff, and everyone would do well to read and re-read for the subtle hints dropped along the way here. As I said earlier in the week, the grown-ups are back in charge — and I would expect some detailed examination of intelligence matters by Sen. Rockefeller and all the members of the Senate Intel Committee, most of whom have been chafing at the politicization of the committee by former chair Pat Roberts for months and months, skewing every hearing, every witness panel, every matter in a defined tilt toward whatever the White House dictated ought to be the slant. That is not, nor will it ever be, oversight — but it is an awful lot like propaganda and pressure on intelligence officers who are supposed to be gathering intel and analyzing it outside the political process, now isn't it?
Somehow, I have a feeling that a whole lot of something is about to let loose, so stock up on the popcorn now while you still can.
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Iran. Rockefeller. Finally. And he’s not even running for anything.
Perhaps I need to research this guy Rockefeller. Could this man be a sleeper? A dark horse, if you will. Hmmmm.
Go Colts!
(sorry)
I want my party to pound the GOP on foreign policy. And tie George and his boys and girls to everything.
I believe he also said that Bush “doesn’t read.”
Which we know is not true, since there is video of him reading “My Pet Goat”.
OT – CNN – Carter/Mondale interview on now
Oh, thank goodness. It is SO nice having some grownups around the place again. Hurray for Sen. Rockefeller and Rep. Waxman!
From the last thread.
Some Astral Music for a Sunday.
I keep waiting for the Dems to tear these guys new assholes IMMEDIATELY. I mean there was the ugly scene in Judiciary — with Abu Gonzales showing complete contempt to Congress last weeks. That contempt was with regard to habeas corpus–contempt also for every American alive and everyone who has fought for our freedoms on the battlefield or in the public arena.
Abu was especially smarmy in refusing to answer questions about the dismissal of US Attorneys and there was something else that slips my mind — something else where he double-talked his way around a question. Then, smiled that bullshit smile under his dyed black hair.
Anyone remember the other thing??????
read somewhere that the thing to watch is w/n the U.S. moves oil tanker-ships into the area. If that happens, a strike is imminent.
Also heard on the teevee that Iran is preparing for 3 days of war-games of their own.
Very scary – these hearings need to happen quickly – very quickly.
(my computer is acting up – sorry about the lack of links.)
Rockefeller should hurry up and spank Little George (as Jane Smiley calls him) real hard before California passes the “no spanking” law.
Glorfindel @ 5
I believe he (Bush) reads nursery rhymes. And books about ‘goats’ or some such.
jayt @ 3
GEAUX SAINTS!! (Not sorry!)
It’s unlikely Iran is supporting the majority Sadrists with anything more than cheerleading yet. If one believes that Al Sadr is getting direct aid from Iran, then supporting the Maliki regime makes little long-term sense, because he and his family are followers of Al Sadrs I, II, and III.
Moqtada Al Sadr’s party is widely believed to have assassinated the head of Iran’s SCIRI party in 2004, and then undertaken local assassinations all through southern Iraq to consolidate power from SCIRI. SCIRI has direct Iranian support, but little influence on current events. If Maliki actually tries to suppress the Mahdi army in a serious way, he’s a dead man. Maliki’s job is to make it LOOK like the government is enforcing security while killing or expelling as many Sunnis and Baathists as possible. By this means they wish to cleanse the South and East of Iraq.
Go Patriots?
There also was an interesting moment on CNN or MSNBC with the father of a dead soldier–asking about sacrifice and wondering several times why his son had to die while the President’s daughters run around the world having a good time.
It is time for folks to bring that up over and over again.
Boxer was right and the screaming from the GOOPER defenders in the MSM shows it hurt.
Iranian war games would be an a nifty chance for Bush to stage a false flag incident. They have the players in place. Maybe Bush is going to pull out of iraq and leave the civil war to sort itself and move them to iran. What a dangerous thought. I hope with all my heart that I am 100% wrong.
Isn’t it awfully nice to have a dem around the house? The senate , too.
Saints 31, Da Bers 17
Bon Temps!
Gnome de Plume @ 15
Mods!! Clean-up on aisle 15!!
(just kidding – good luck)
I love this. It’s one thing for us DFH’s and denizens of the “fever swamp” to say it, but it’s another thing entirely when it comes from someone like Sen. Rockefeller. Gives me hope that the grownups may yet find their cojones and bring the Deciderer to heel.
Jayt – thanks for the chuckle. I am actually rooting for the Saints because of theirs and NOLA’s history.
Christy,
Thanks for this post. It’s nice to hear that the new Chairman has been simmering. I guess all of the Democrats in the guminit have been and we haven’t seen it.
In Bush’s mind the Iran attack is a done deal. I guess it could come during their “missile war games’ when the best strategy for them at the moment would be to remain passive and make Bush look like an idiot again in front of the international community. Just as al Sadr says his army will for the most part remain passive during the Surge, which is taking place during Shia and Sunni holy days.
I just hope Congress can find something illegal that Bush has done (milk through nose) and we can have him removed from his office and his dreams of Armageddon.
jayt @ 19
I thought that was a political statement. (#15)
Thank God. Just caught up on the Judiciary hearing last week – Selise’s blogging then on to Glenn Greenwald. I take an enormous amount of comfort from the fact that guys like Leahy and Feingold and Kennedy and Rockefeller are empowered – as scary as things are, think how dark these times would be if our hopes were pinned on the likes of Specter.
Go Lions!
I’m sorry – I was just watching McCain trying to spin the value of the escalation on MTP, and I obviously lost my grip on reality.
Iranian Shiites are Persians. Iraqui Shiites are Arabians. Although ideologically and religiously linked, it is completely disinigenuous to imply the the Iraquis would accept dominance by the Iranians. We have seen how tribal differences matter in the Middle East; consider the difference racial differences make. Iranian influence is limited in Iraq, however much the neo-cons and right-wing Israelis wish to claim otherwise.
Hey George Will, this is what grown ups do.
Bit NOLA – Bears-something Saints-
LandOfTheFree @ 25
A fifty-year record of failure. Even BushCo can’t approach that — yet.
retirin’ in five @ 28
I’d still rather see Bush fired than Millen. And I am no fan of Matt Millen. ;)
(and, I have a feeling the damage Bush has done will take more than 50 years to fix. Sigh.)
OT – Mondale struggles to answer Blitzer’s question – “is this administration dishonest?”
twolf1 @ 31
Why is that a struggle? Duh. That’s like Mondale struggling with the question “is fire hot?”
The answer is “yes,” Walter.
The Democrats are seizing the news cycle. I hope to hell this is being coordinated by Reid and Pelosi. One of the (many) things that have done us in since since Gingrich arrived in Congress is that we lost control of the news cycle, even under Clinton, who was a real pro. There are really two separate issues: the first is the substance of the policies and actions. We have generally been strong on this ground. The second is PR. The Republicans mastered the PR technique for the late age of television. They have gotten their assed kicked in the age of the internet, but the internet still doesn’t have the clout that TV and radio have. So in addition to passing good laws, and the like, the Congressional Dems have to maintain control over the production of new news.
Rockefeller seems to be part of this effort. We are fighting battles on two fronts: to stop the war, and to control the narrative. If we stop the war but don’t control the narrative, we will eventually be tarred as traitors, because we got the United States to ‘give up too soon.’
twolf1 @ 31
twolf -
I kinda interpreted it as struggling NOT to answer Blitzer *g*.
LotF @ 30
“I’d still rather see Bush fired than Millen. And I am no fan of Matt Millen. ;)”and, I have a feeling the damage Bush has done will take more than 50 years to fix. Sigh.”
Not necessarily OT because both men seem to have that same “stay the course” mentality.
Netanyahu: West must stop Iran from executing new Holocaust
By Reuters
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/815991.html
I thought this was going to degenerate into a footbal thread like, for example, if I were to say that, emotionally, I’m pulling for the Saints. But that as a Colts’ fan, I’m pulling for the Bears, ’cause the Saints scare me more.
But I would never say that, because that might hijack this into a footbal thread.
Bit NOLA @
18
Go Saints!
NINERS next year!
retirin’ in five @
35
Dude, Millen’s gonna draft another wideout with the second pick. :-P
Meanwhile, the NYT thinks we should just give up on New Orleans; it was dying anyway.
I think that on this blog we are PATRIOTS that will work for the good of our country.
“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is planning the establishment of a ‘’select” committee on the environment and energy that would undermine the authority of Rep. John Dingell, the Michigan Democrat who was first elected in 1954 and is the senior member of Congress.
Dingell, a Detroit congressman closely tied to the auto industry, is reported by congressional sources to be furious that the Energy and Commerce committee he heads is losing jurisdiction to Pelosi’s new creation. The select panel would also supplant the House Natural Resources Committee headed by Rep. Nick Rahall, who as a West Virginian is sympathetic to the coal industry.”
“The prospective chairman of the new committee would be Rep. Ed Markey of Massachusetts, one of the most flamboyant liberals and uncompromising environmentalists in Congress.”
retirin’ in five @ 35
And lack of executive prowess.
Heck, at least Millen fires everyone under him and blames them for his errors. Bush won’t even do that. I’m wondering when Rummy’s Medal of Freedom moment comes.
Back on topic: we need to keep people like Rockefeller in the Senate. He and Levin are so important in this body. Their skills and knowledge will be greatly needed for the next several years. There is so much mess to clean up, and they will ask the pointed questions and not become “shrill” in their quest to uncover the truth.
“Dude, Millen’s gonna draft another wideout with the second pick. :-P ” Yes, it’s part of his new “surge” strategery.
Mondale was struggling to keep from blurting “where do I start?”.
AirportCat @ 20
Well, it certainly is an improvement on the right-wing spin about him being some kind of f**king foreing policy visionary. I realize that’s waning now, but we’ve certainly had that crammed down our throats long enough.
Rockefeller:
“Mr. Rockefeller said he believed President Bush was getting poor advice from advisers who argue that an uncompromising stance toward the government in Tehran will serve American interests.
“I don’t think that policy makers in this administration particularly understand Iran,” he said.
My heavens – he *is* given to understatement, huh?
retirin’ in five @ 44
and Millen’s “constituents” here in Detroit are just as fed up with their leader as most Americans are with the President.
Hmmm… it would be an interesting Detroit Free Press story to compare job approval ratings of Matt Millen and GW Bush. I might email Brian Dickerson to see if he’ll do it.
(something tells me that Millen would get an approval rating in the Cheney range).
The big difference is that Lions fans are used to feeling like losers. Americans do not like losing a war, not to mention losing their soul as a nation (by decimating the constitution, suspending democratic principles, and crushing all sense of human rights and ethics in a futile attempt to win a premeditated war of choice under the guise of “fighting terrorism”). The American public is generally behind the strategy of cutting our horrible losses and focusing on rebuilding our nation and our national soul. When will our leader listen to this call for sanity?
Brownback: Goal To “Try To Get The Supreme Court To Be One…That Would Be Willing To Overturn Roe V. Wade”…
ABC News Posted January 21, 2007 10:22 AM
“When will our leader listen to this call for sanity?”
Isn’t it fun watching them all catch on that Bush’s blinders are firmly affixed to his pointy little ears?
Newt Gingrich says he will run for president only as a last resort. So, I guess that means that if McCain can’t pull his party out of the muck (as it appears increasingly unlikely he will) Gingrich will have to throw his hat into the ring to save the party. He fancies himself in that role, the harried savior of Republican “values” whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean anymore.
Hey guys.
Just checking in.
((((((Jane))))))
Just what the Republican party needs right now. Another evangelical candidate with evangelical hair spouting nonsense about abortion while the Middle East goes up in flames. Keep it up, white boyz.
OT, but our friend atdnext has a Dkos diary on global warming.
Recommendations don’t hurt.
Hey Newt, you ole green around the gills bastard, see: Iraq Study Group .
You guys have about run out of ‘last resorts’.
Hi egregious. I hope all is as well as it can be on your side of the world.
My two cents: The Madman-in-Chief will never listen to calls for sanity. He doesn’t listen, he doesn’t read. The only thing we can do is pick off those around him and dis-enable him and them until January 2009.
And completely OT – the sun is shining for the first time in two weeks here in South Texas. I came here from Patriot-Land because of my SAD, so I must go outside for the day and soak up rays. The weather turns ugly again tonight.
Hey Gnome. Great name.
Over here we got the good, the bad, and the ugly. On the plus side there is going to be an actual investigation, not of my tiny amount of supplies but of larger issues.
Patients are doing well. We did a record high number of heart surgeries in 2006 with a mortality comparable to the U.S. and Europe. Got some cool goals for this year in terms of quality improvement and training.
I’m sleepy but happy. Life is good.
Heh, heh, heh. Popcorn is going to be very popular this season.
McCain, Newtie, Brownback, Romney. Wow.
About Brownback, I assume:
mandrake @ 53
What was up with Brownback’s statement during his announcement, “I’m taking the first step on the yellow brick road to the White House”? What, does he think that the mess America is in is just a fairy tale? Does he think it’s cute to run for President?
My guess is that he thinks God is the Wizard of Oz, Bush is the Scarecrow, Cheney is the Tin Man, Lieberman is Toto, Condi is the Good Witch, Hillary is the Wicked Witch of the West, and Hagel is the Cowardly Lion. I suppose Baghdad (or Tehran?) is the Emerald City to him, too.
The problem is, our National Guard and Reservists are not in Kansas anymore. They’re stuck in a quagmire that is far worse than a tornado in Kansas – the dust storm that clouds Bush’s vision of what is right versus what is wrong.
Christy Hardin Smith: “Somehow, I have a feeling that a whole lot of something is about to let loose, so stock up on the popcorn now while you still can.”
Do you believe that because I do. I cannot imagine another two years of blogging about our frustrations and come Jan 2009, Bush leaves office and that’s it. I don’t see that happening. With all the news coverage of the stand against the surge, I am in the background looking for other events that are unfolding. I cannot imagine another two years of our Constitution and country being hijacked by Bush & Co. If something happens, I believe it will be big, though I have absolutely no idea what. Perhaps, and its got to be something that even the Hannity’s of the airwaves can’t spin….can’t blame it on the media or the democrats. It has to be something like someone getting arrested.
MarcLord @ 14
I largely agree that Maliki’s aim is to use American troops against Sunnis and shield Muqtada, a big source of parlimentary support for his government. I’m not sure about the assassination of SCIRI’s leader and founder Mohammed Baqir al Hakim, the brother of Abdul Aziz al Hakim the current SCIRI leader. That could also have been the work of Sunnis. In any case, there is a lot of animosity between al Hakim and Sadr whatever its source: a competition for political power among Shia or personal vendetta.
I would go back to the Rockefeller quote:
and say that policymakers in this Administration don’t particularly understand anything. This same ignorance has hobbled and even doomed our policy in Iraq as well. Going against the Sadrists is a little like throwing matches at a can of gasoline. Sure you can do it but why?
Thanks egregious. Keep up the good work. (I am doctoring the blisters on my heels before heading outside. I tried to break in some new snake boots last week and they broke me in instead.)
guys, you should go over to http://www.mnftiu.cc and check out the latest clip-art comix.
They are a howl!
Laughter…anger…depression…take your pick.
Mostly, bitter, bitter, laughter…
1,412 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
“Somehow, I have a feeling that a whole lot of something is about to let loose..”
I have had the same feelin’ for the last couple a weeks, but I would like your take on the possibilities of what that “something” might involve.
To be sure, the end of the Nixon regime comes to mind when thinkin’ about how we get from point “A” (get rid of a fascist administration) to point “C” (end a war). There was a theory advanced in ‘74-’75 that a split in the ruling elite between the old banking and industrial money (Yankees) and the “new” oil and military class (cowboys) would settle the issue of impeachment and the political future of the country through the end of the 20th Century. It seems as though that theory played out half way in that the Yankees got rid of the administration but, because of the pardon, the cowboys were able to survive almost intact and take over the political infrastructure of the country.
Now you cast a bit of light on one of the pillars of the “Yankee” establishment (Senator Rockefeller) and get me thinkin’ about just where the fault-lines might be in the ruling oligarchy today. It seems clear that there has never been a complete acceptance of what I call the Bush-Buckley pretenders in their more than half a century struggle for entry into the ruling class. Certainly when looked at this way, we can begin to see how the forces of the existing social and economic power structure might be linin’ up.
Is it possible to watch Senator Rockefeller and see which way the wind is blowing with regard to the banking and the “old money” industrial class (or what is left of it)?
What do you see as possible “somethings” politically in the next couple a months and years? Is it possible that the “Yankees” have had it with the upstarts and will support a “final solution” for the neo-fascists that includes impeachment and criminal trials?
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE IS A LOTTA FIGHT LEFT IN THE BASTARDS!!!
If Hillary doesn’t ‘get it on’, the Senator will be in danger of becoming irrelevant.
mandrake @ 53
woops, forgot link.
Good morning.
Project JANE update:
I’m about to close the window on this project for picture submissions. I set the cut off time for 10am PST today.
Egregious… I don’t believe I saw a picture come in from you?
And Christy Hardin Smith? I don’t remember seeing one from you either?
I’m only including pictures that people have submitted. But I may have to break that rule for Christy… she has to be in there.
-Monk
LandOfTheFree @ 60
What a great analogy!
Good job, Monk – thank you so much for doing this!
GrandmaJ @ 17 -
apparently this whole growin’ a spine thing is viral – no less than Joe Biden has pre emptively warned the Chimp not to try any Remember The Tonkin ! crap with Iran
this link is from CNN, but he made a more definitive, defiant statement linked by Raw Story around the same time
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI…..index.html
Monk @ 68
I have never been able to open the link.
cbl @ 71
He sizzled Condi on that one. Boy, that Fried Rice sure is tasty!
Monk, hey good to see you.
I ended up not sending a photo. Need to stay a little under the radar because of the circles I travel in. Not completely anonymous but I don’t want to be blatantly in their face. [thank you nate]
Really, really good to see you are working again. I have long admired your talent.
The results are in this weekend for the first round of the Bush/McCain escalation/surge:
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Talk about a mockery of the value of life.
-GSD
Resolute Bush held to his idea for Iraq
Despite contrary advice, embattled president considered little else
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16727386/
GSD
Our troops are simply cannon fire for the Bush/Cheney Criminal Oil Cartel.
Heartbreaking beyond words.
It’s nice to see Rockefeller talking tough but I will wait for some action. Rockefeller wrote his now famous letter questioning the NSA’s program of warrantless wiretaps but he never did anything beyond this (and yes, I know national security whatever). Nor was he particularly forceful in keeping before the public the issue of the promised assessment of political cooking of intelligence by the Bush Administration.
Then too Rockefeller voted for the Military Commissions Act which legalizes torture, destroys habeas corpus, establishes kangaroo courts, allows anyone including American citizens to be designated an unlawful enemy combatants and detained indefinitely without charge.
On the domestic side, it is also important to remember he was one of the Democrats who voted for cloture on the Supreme Court nomination of Alito thus ensuring his confirmation.
Fuck MSNBC—how they can deliberately conflate resoluteness with arrogance and pig-headedness is shameful.
-GSD
Monk @ 68
ok I have a (really bad) picture I just took with a cell phone – now what?
newspaperbrat @ 78
I’ve taken to using the phrase IED-fodder.
Of course threre’s:
War-profit fodder
Oil-fodder
treason-fodder
—
edit to include that I could see Christy smiling when she saw this article. “yes. Yes. YES! Finally!”
—–
Oh – GO PATRIOTS!
(on ALL fields of battle.)
:~>
mandrake @ 69
Thanks, but the more I think of it, Brownback wouldn’t believe those things.Maybe some of the Republican base would, but not him. I did a little more research on his positions and supporters, and I think this is more on-the-mark for what he’d think:
- Tom Monaghan and James Dobson are his Wizards of Oz,
- Rudy Giuliani is his Cowardly Lion, because Rudy supports abortion rights and gay unions. Of course, he might consider Newt Gingrich to also be the Cowardly Lion (he refused to sign Newt’s “Contract With America” because it was “too tame”),
- McCain must be his Tin Man, because (surprise to me) Brownback has spoken out against the McCain/Bush “surge” plan.
- the only Good Witch would be one in the kitchen cooking her master his supper,
- Hillary Clinton is certainly his Wicked Witch of the West,
- and an abortion-free America where women are put in their place and “moral” men like him rule would be the Emerald City.
We are so not in Kansas (ahem, Kansas 1950) anymore. Thank God. We do not need a President whose ambitions have been to be “the new Jesse Helms”.
Oklahoma kiddo @
36
Oh well, if he puts it like that, then of course we have to do what he says, right?
Nope.
I found a video of George W. Bush doing a great impression of Captain America.
Captain America calling.
-GSD
Netanyahu is evidence of just how whacked out Israeli politics is. He’s a crazy but still considered in the mainstream, which is to say that there are people to the right of him. Avigdor Lieberman comes to mind but there are guys even further out there than even Lieberman (no relation to holy Joe by the way).
This is a column I wrote in the Prairie Connection in Nov. ‘05. Sound like Rockefeller’s been sleeping? I think not.
fsmith (at) kanokla.net
————————-
The Prairie Populist
Down the Rabbit-Hole of Kansas Politics
“I can’t believe that!” said Alice.
“Can’t you?” the queen said in a pitying tone. “Try again, draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.”
Alice laughed. “There’s no use trying,” she said. “One can’t believe impossible things.”
“I dare say you haven’t had much practice,” said the queen. “When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”
We have just undergone the second coming of the believers with the theocratic majority ascendant in our state Board of Education. The last time around it insisted on contrasting the “theory” of creationism with the theory of evolution. That former “theory” has now been abandoned in favor of the “theory” of “Intelligent Design.” The board held extensive and expensive “hearings” on a matter in which it had already made up its minds. They even brought, with taxpayers’ money, a newspaper columnist from Turkey to testify. When actual scientists boycotted the rigged jury, the majority, textbook stickers at the ready, declared that boycott “proved” the correctness of its contentions.
Fundamentalists released a list of 100 scientists who questioned evolution. The National Center for Science Education released the names of 560 scientists named “Steve” who didn’t.
Our District 7 State School Board member, Hutchinson’s Ken Willard, wrote me: “…it is increasingly obvious that the evidence does not support macroevolution.”
Former Governor Bill Graves declared the affair, the last time around, “a terrible, tragic, embarrassing solution to a problem that didn’t exist.”
God save us from the home-grown mullahs.
Our esteemed Congressperson, Todd Tiahrt (R-Boeing), was one of the 20 members of the House of Representatives to refuse to vote to return to House Rules under which Houston Rep Tom DeLay could be held accountable for his chronic ethical lapses. After being rebuked three times in 2004 for breaches, DeLay had engineered rule changes that would have made it next to impossible to hold him accountable. Not content with that, he removed the jury replacing it with one of his own selection.
Todd rushed to defend DeLay, telling KPTS viewers “He hasn’t done anything wrong.” Putting his campaign contributions (including $10,000 from DeLay) where his mouth is, Todd ponied up a similar amount for DeLay’s defense fund. Where did Todd get the money? Why from the good folks at Westar, and Enron, and others now sitting in the dock. Two of DeLay’s closest associates are being investigated for, among other things, filching $82 million from Indian tribes with casino interests. Ralph Reed, formerly of the Christian Coalition, played a major part in the scheme. This past week, a judge in Texas found that DeLay’s political action committee, TRMPAC, used almost $700,000 in illegal corporate campaign contributions to help gerrymander districts to unseat five Democratic Congressmen. Cornell Companies, a for-profit prison operator, kicked in $10,000 to that kitty, but has yet to be indicted. In another scam, a DeLay charity “for kids” was the recipient of $100,000 from Corrections Corporation of America, one of the vultures circling the Topeka Capitol Building in hopes that they’ll be able to privatize Kansas state prisons. The kids, so far, have gotten a pittance, while DeLay’s family has profited handsomely from enormous salaries paid to his wife and daughter.
Not to be outdone, Pat Roberts was quoted this week by AP and CNN on the nomination of the thuggish John Bolton to be our next U.N. Ambassador. “Republicans said it was time to vote after weeks of exhaustive investigation into allegations that Bolton mistreated subordinates and misused government intelligence…. On Wednesday, the Republican leader of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, said he and his Democratic counterpart had been briefed on the matter and found that Bolton had done nothing improper when asking for the names.”
I found it curious that the Vice-Chair of the Committee, Senator Jay Rockefeller, Roberts’ “counterpart,” would have that sort of a remark attributed to him, given that the White House has stonewalled Committee requests for specific data in considering the nomination. So I called, hoping that Roberts hadn’t placed carefully parsed words in his colleague’s mouth. Chris Shields, Rockefeller’s press representative, said that Roberts’ assertion was “180 degrees” from what Rockefeller actually felt. Shields sent me the floor statement on the matter from Rockefeller. Here are a few excerpts:
“I describe this effort now, …to impress on my colleagues and the public how serious it is when policy makers are accused of attempting to manipulate the intelligence process. This is behavior that we cannot tolerate. And this is the pattern of behavior Mr. Bolton has exhibited during his tenure as Under Secretary of State.”
Senator Rockefeller followed with a long list of problems that it appeared that Bolton had, with specifics about the distribution of highly classified data from NSA intercepts regarding individuals, including government officials, whose identity is required to be closely guarded. He continued: “That, however, was not the end of the story…. During one of those interviews a senior member of (Bolton’s) staff described actions Under Secretary Bolton took after he received one of those names. According this individual, upon receiving the name from the NSA, Under Secretary Bolton (illegally) shared that information with another State Department official. The reasons for this action are not clear, but it seems inconsistent with the stated reasons for obtaining the name. – This language is clear and unambiguous, but Mr. Bolton apparently disregarded it. Neither the NSA, nor the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research, has a record of him seeking the necessary approval to further disseminate the name. His defenders now say he never saw that restriction. I don’t know if that is accurate, but I believe it is irrelevant.”
Roberts, of course, said Bolton “had done nothing improper when asking for names.” And there’s the rub. It wasn’t the asking for names that was improper. It was what Bolton did with the names after he’d gotten them, and surely Pat knew how his colleague actually felt, though Roberts’ press person, Sarah Ross Little wrote me: “I cannot interpret Senator Rockefeller’s sentiments. I can only tell you that the facts as discovered by the Intelligence Committee’s interviews and review of documents on the situation are that Bolton did nothing improper or illegal.”
Democrats disagreed. The Republicans’ rush to approve Bolton before all the facts were in, resulted in the first filibuster of the year. A cloture vote failed to force the vote, so any action was postponed until after a two week Senate recess. Bill Frist (R-Healthcare Corporation of America), the Senate Majority Leader was upset. Conflating two issues, Frist tried to characterize the vote as a violation of an agreement on up or down votes on judicial nominees, a bargain that he had actually vigorously opposed.
Perhaps a return to Lewis Carroll could explain all this:
`When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
`The question is,’ said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
`The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master — that’s all.’
[Mod Note; for future reference, lengthy comments like this trigger the moderation filters. Short summaries, followed by a link, are the best way to avoid the filters.]
The most troubling aspect of the Military Commission Act passage is that it validates the claim of BushCo that he is the commanding authority and we are in an official state of perpetual war.
This Congressional approval gives Bush too much uncheckable power. Combined with provisions of the 2007 Warner Defense Auth, we are about a pen-stroke away from martial law.
is this thing on? tap-tap-tap
jayt @ 89
Hi – Re: your pic -just send the jpeg to dartmonk AT comcast DOT net. You may be past his deadline, but you can give it a try!
[Mod Note; edited to correct email address]
The beat goes on.
From George Bush, to Dick Cheney, to Sec. Gates, to Netanyahu, to the Saudis, to Holy Joe Lieberman, to Hannity, Savage, Drudge, Beck, Limbaugh, AEI, Kristol, Hume et al the beat goes on for war against Iran.
-GSD
When I start hearing politcians saying shrill things like this, I’ll believe:
http://baltimorechronicle.com/…..loyd.shtml
1,412 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..
Citizen Hugh:
“It’s nice to see Rockefeller talking tough but I will wait to see some action.”
Whether or what action Rockefeller takes will give us a good look at what is happening in the ruling elite. If we look at the crisis of this current administration from the perspective of a conflict within the ruling oligarchy, we can better direct our actions and the distribution of our political “troops” to make sure that the lesser evil prevails. If we offer support to the “Yankees” we may be able to create a political enertia that will take us past a simple restoration of the pre-2000 staus quo.
IMO, the pre-2000 staus quo is Mrs. Clinton and the DLC-AIPAC nexus. I think that, in any event, Mrs. Clinton is toast and most of the ruling class knows it.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET THE BASTARDS INTO YOUR YARD!!!
Thansk cbl for the link. I had read references to the exchange, but truly it was a good one. Unfortunately, their talk does not help us much.
As for Rockefeller, my anger seethes to know that not one of these people spoke up at any time prior to our current mess. And as someone mentioned above, he has voted for the Military Commissions Act and other terrible bills that were pushed through.
His bluster now, does our soldiers no good. One could say better late than never, but try that with some of the surviving loved ones of people killed.
I shouldn’t talk though, Minnesota did not hear a peep (that I could find) from Mark Dayton when he was in, and of course Normy Coleman was Bush’s right hand man. He quibbling now is pandering for keep his job.
If you cued Sam Brownback’s career up to a Pink Floyd record, well…
;>)
KathieinMN @ 89
Oh.
I don’t know how to do that – so I guess the world will have to carry on without its brief glimpse at my Sunday-morning-mug.
Thanks though
jayt @ 81
ok I have a (really bad) picture I just took with a cell phone – now what?
Yes, as the mod noted… send to DARTMONK at COMCAST dot NET
Monk—I pity the poor guy whose address uses the “k”. Might be interesting to find out what he thinks of all of this.
RBG @ 98
And maybe he would like to send in a photo too.
Must Sleep. G’night.
1,414 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen GrandmaJ:
As a native Minnesotan now livin’ in the “heartland of democracy and anus of progress” (western Wisconsin), I share your frustration with the DFL and the lack of a forceful progressive “push back” in Minnesota politics for the last 25 years. But I think we’ve seen the resurgence of progressive power beginning with the throwing out of Randy Kelly in St. Paul through to the election of Keith Ellison to replace Sabo. The Republican Party is dead in Minnesota and what life exists, politically, in the old Republican body resides in the Independence Party.
Keith Ellison and Amy Klobuchar represent a new farmer-labor-feminist alliance that should prevail for a long time.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET YOUR KIDS DATE REPUBLICANS!!
jayt @
81
As I understand it email pic to dartmonk at comcast dot net (that’s dart like in dart board)be sure to give Monk your screen name.
It’s Giuliani time in Egypt.
This is the dream of the Bush authoritarians.
-GSD
Hugh @
86
I have not had a chance to see whether the following story, which originally appeared in The Nation, has already been mentioned in recent threads: http://www.informationclearing…..e16234.htm
Frank Smith #87,
The issue isn’t about John Bolton or his access to NSA materials but about the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping program. Rockefeller wrote his letter and then there was silence. Supposedly classified national security issues have come to the public’s attention before as in fact this NSA program eventually did. Indeed Rockefeller could have addressed the question as a hypothetical without discussing the program specifically. He could have asked in open hearings if any programs like the NSA one existed. He could have leaked, a not unheard of practice in Washington. It is something of a cop out to say after the fact we could not discuss anything about this program (even hypothetically and despite its illegality) because it was classified. It is a difficult call, but it was still Rockefeller’s responsibility to find a way to challenge programs like these. To be silent and let crimes be committed and then hidden under the cloak of classification is to be complicit in them but that’s just my opinion.
Peterboy at 9
In case you’re still lurking around here’bouts…
Don’t know if anyone else addressed this, but I just watched replay that tape of Abugonzo testifying before the Judiciary(?) Committee , and I think the “other thing” was a specific question about one fed atty in particular who had been removed during the recent rash of dismissals-without-cause, & another immediately being appointed to the position.
Feinstein was already sounding furious at Abu, for her own reasons related to the dismissals, but she pointedly asked that particular question on behalf of another senator, whom she didn’t name. She did give the names of the fed. attys. involved in the kerfuffle, but I didn’t recognize or remember their names – sorry.
The incident happened right near the very end of the questioning of Abu by Feinstein, before the committee’s lunch break. Perhaps it could be located on a transcript at PBS or CSpan or some-such. Wish I could be more help. It really was an odd situation, but he deftly slipped the noose on that one, claiming impropriety of discussing specific personnel situations or some such squirmywriggle.
When the glory-bee-singin’/statue-draper left, I thot they surely couldn’t find anything worse… egad(!)
fatboy slim – rockafella skank
check it out now
right about now
ot
I seem to remember one of the bush officials said there was nothing in the constitution that forbade warantless search (the fourth amendment)]
was that gonzales also?
Adie @ 105
There’s always something worse, from those who desire the worst…
Hugh – Thanks for the link @103 Hope that investigation is not silenced.
Hugh said @ 104
amen, a-friggin’-men
Stephen Parrish, CPA #103,
There has been an incestuous relationship between some American policymakers, organizations like AIPAC, and Israel (its government, political leadership, and military and intelligence establishments) for years. And lines have been crossed on many levels.
There is the case of Jonathan Pollard, for example, the Navy intelligence analyst and Israeli spy, who was responsible for perhaps the largest security breach in our history. He was sentenced to life in prison in 1987. In 1998, Netanyahu who was Prime Minister at the time admitted that Pollard was an Israeli spy and I believe he was granted Israeli citizenship at that time. Pollard himself has gone back and forth on why he did what he did but originally defended his actions as being necessary for Israel’s security and minimized any damage he may have done to this country. This is the troubling aspect of most of these breaches that doing something for Israel somehow makes it all right.
I still do not understand why anyone would join the military, with the understanding that Iraq, Iran and who knows where else may lay ahead. Not to mention serving under a less than courageous and rather unsavory, ‘Nam avoiding, Commander in Chief.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 110
they don’t understand, they are not given two sides of the story, they believe anything the president does is correct
they are also trying to feed their familiy, they are promised education and monetary compensation
they think they are helping their family
darkblack @ 108
oh hon…where to begin…luv yer art & snart & spark ;->
OT:
Way to f*ck up your own sloppy wet teabaggery, Date…
Oh hell, he’s a shoo-in then, isn’t he?
…Hack
Adie @ 113
Thanks, Adie
:)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 110
Avoiding bankruptcy?
Hugh @
110
I read also that this new Ethics legislation has a specific AIPAC exemption for their non-profit foundation arm that will allow lawmaker travel to Israel on their dime to continue uninterrupted. Anytime somebody gets a specific exemption in legislation that passes 96-2, it seems off.
EXCERPT:
If someone enlists in the military today, and finds it is not what it was cracked up to be, or gets killed or loses legs or whatever, then are we prepared to say, ‘caveat emptor’?
Oklahoma kiddo @
2
I’m returning late to this thread, and haven’t read all the comments, so forgive me if this is a multi-duplicate post. THIS is why we love Sen. Jay Rockefeller: (please note the date)
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..eney1.html
Bringing it to Darth Cheney. YEE-HAH. And that was “back in the day,” when this was just not done…
The Israeli government is no friend of world peace and thus is not a friend of America. And AIPAC is a malignancy. Like most lobbying groups.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 118
Fuck no. We say thank you for your service, we grieve for your loss, and we promise not to abandon you.
Hi Christy. My reaction to that Rockefeller quote was the same as yours. He strikes me as the sort who carefully weighs evidence and reaches conclusions. It’s a slow process, but he’ll get there, I suspect, if he hasn’t already. Being considered has its drawbacks, but other folks will respect that when he comes to a conclusion it’s for good reasons. That he is among the critics shows just how badly the Bush Administration is screwing the pooch.
Did anyone else hear John Roberts on CNN’s Week at War identify Lieberliar as a Democrat? I’m about to send him an email. Perhaps we should inundate him with emails.
Hey Pach.
Good dinner. Just enuf wine. Early to bed.
Bright&early to rise, oh noble one.
We’ll be with you.
You were awesome last week.
But we’re insatiable.
More of same, prettyplease.
Have a TERRIFIC week, & we’ll lap up every crumb you toss twd the Lake.
{{{JANE}}} You be a good gal and do what the docs & nurses say.
I have no doubt, lurking in moderation is good therapy.
Just remember, there’s a big gang here at the Lake bookmarking every little nuance for when you’re cleared to dive into the deep end again.
Get well, dear lady.
{{{{{HUGS}}}}}
tryggth @ 116
My understanding is that military personnel may avoid, in bankruptcy, only those bills incurred while on “active duty”.
So, if your kid gets sick, ya better hope somebody is shooting at you at the same time – otherwise, you’re just as screwed as the rest of us.
Perhaps we need to figure out a way to force the military to tell potential enlistees truly what they face. We have laws against false advertising to protect us against say, less than honorable sales persons selling us a used car. Aren’t our young people who might be thinking about enlisting at least as important as a per-owned automobile?
I support our troops, the ones in my family who are serving in Iraq, and all the other soldiers out there. Bring ‘em home. Now!
Pade @ 122
Please post his email addy. That really steams my clams.
jeffreyw @ 120
People join the military for many different reasons, including wanting to be a soldier, sailor, or whatever. They do it because it’s the best way out of the place they’re in, or to get an education, have an adventure, or just to serve. Whatever the reason, you can’t just say “Hey, it says on the label that this is dangerous”. It’s a dangerous job by definition, and part of our obligation is to take care of the ones who get injured doing that job.
Our other obligation as a society is to not send them to places like Iraq and Iran without good reason. So far, we’ve failed in that one, so I think we need to live up to the rest of our part of the bargain.
Face the Snark is available upstairs.
“Jesus Mary and Joseph” as my catholic mother says. “FINALLY” is an understatement.
Our nation and the world watched a Republican controlled Senate hold a President accountable for lying about a BLOWJOB under oath…and then they found this so serious that they Impeached him.
Yet a Republican controlled congress failed to hold anyone or office accountable for an INTELLIGENCE SNOWJOB that has resulted in tens of thousands of dead, injured, and displaced.
If Senator Rockerfeller does not complete Phase II of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, which Senator Pat Roberts refused to do. If they do not hold those responsible for the false pre-war intelligence accountable. Our congress will prove to us and to the rest of the world that it really does take a blowjob to get these “supposed” representatives to take their congressional oversight responsibilities seriously. If this proves to be so, we are done for!
Will lies about a BLOWJOB prove more important to congress than an INTELLIGENCE SNOWJOB?
We are waiting Senator Rockerfeller, we are waiting!
Eureka Springs, AR @ 127
I just go to CNN,find the specific show and there is a contact us feature.
It really makes me angry too. These Yahoos know better. I appealed to his being accurate as a reporter side.
Thanks for joining me.
kathleen @
130
Here in EPU land – let me try out my best line – “Have we met before”?
Just an oldschool question.
And if I’m wrong, please don’t be offended, it’s just that’s there’s an incredibly intelligent and talented lady who also posts as Kathleen on a different blog.
jayt @ 124
That sounds plausible. I was thinking more along the lines of using a signing bonus as a way out from beneath an insurmountable debt. But that might not be possible…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 12
Now wasnt he very busy reading when he was told about the Twin Towers? That PROVES he reads albeit SLOWLY
Jay Rockefeller also did the handwritten response to the Bush administration’s use of warrant-less wiretaps, objecting to it on constitutional grounds. He wrote it by hand because he could not divulge the contents of the briefing he received, which was minimally received by Democrats, but was given to a select few, including Jay Rockefeller. I believe we may have more of a patriot for the people, than the Rockefeller name would typically imply.
seloverb @
135
Sometimes it can be difficult to remember that respect for the law requires certain actions, rules, protocols and oaths to be followed even if the ‘other guys’ aren’t. I have no complaints….well, no reasonable complaints.