Comments on: Give Me Your Tired, Your Poor, Your Huddled Masses Yearning to Breathe Free http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:32:38 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Peter http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-468382 Peter Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:34:43 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-468382 <p>the problem is not <em>racism</em> - duh. it’s economics. got it?</p> <p>because, you know, racism and economics have <em>no</em> history, and absolutely <em>no</em> correlation to one another. you <em>do</em> know that, right? </p> <p>racism doesn’t exist down here in the south, much less anyplace else. there has, in fact, never been any racism in america to speak of. really. instead, it’s always been economics. that’s all. just simple economics.</p> <p>it’s that darn liberal new york times again - always fightin for civil rights, even while they cheer on any and all foreign interventions. they just got me so mixed up them new yorker peoples.</p> the problem is not racism – duh. it’s economics. got it?

because, you know, racism and economics have no history, and absolutely no correlation to one another. you do know that, right?

racism doesn’t exist down here in the south, much less anyplace else. there has, in fact, never been any racism in america to speak of. really. instead, it’s always been economics. that’s all. just simple economics.

it’s that darn liberal new york times again – always fightin for civil rights, even while they cheer on any and all foreign interventions. they just got me so mixed up them new yorker peoples.

]]> By: mui http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467989 mui Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:58:05 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467989 <p>I am not disputing you by and large, but like I said, I have experienced blatant stuff in university towns. Regarding the town’s demographics, I am not an expert on the South, but ghettoization seems to have pernicious qualities particular to the South. Yes, I’ve been to Atlanta. It’s only a hop skip away from E. Tennessee if you’re hellbent on Asian food, and IMHO a breath of fresh air in comparison.<br /> I will also argue with another commenter that this is one and the same.: <i>The hostility is economic, not racial.</i> In fact the two feed into each other, notoriously.</p> I am not disputing you by and large, but like I said, I have experienced blatant stuff in university towns. Regarding the town’s demographics, I am not an expert on the South, but ghettoization seems to have pernicious qualities particular to the South. Yes, I’ve been to Atlanta. It’s only a hop skip away from E. Tennessee if you’re hellbent on Asian food, and IMHO a breath of fresh air in comparison.
I will also argue with another commenter that this is one and the same.: The hostility is economic, not racial. In fact the two feed into each other, notoriously.

]]> By: VJB http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467985 VJB Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:52:09 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467985 <p>I am about to send them off a check for $130–to match the amount the kids raised raking leaves to finance a road trip. I hope others will do the same. These kids and their coach deserve it. One of my kids did field work for his dissertation in northern Mozambique, and gave away everything but his cameras and notes when he left after a year–literally even the shirt off his back. He arrived home in a torn t-shirt and flip-flops and a carry-on. These refugee kids, and all the rest left back in Africa and elsewhere deserve a break. Here at least there is something concrete to give to.</p> <p>One note: maybe the Fugees website is a litle too slick, and makes you wonder just how desperate they are–but just for a moment. The coach ought to look into the ‘psychodynamics’ and maybe throttle back to a more ‘homemade’ look. Just sayin’.</p> I am about to send them off a check for $130–to match the amount the kids raised raking leaves to finance a road trip. I hope others will do the same. These kids and their coach deserve it. One of my kids did field work for his dissertation in northern Mozambique, and gave away everything but his cameras and notes when he left after a year–literally even the shirt off his back. He arrived home in a torn t-shirt and flip-flops and a carry-on. These refugee kids, and all the rest left back in Africa and elsewhere deserve a break. Here at least there is something concrete to give to.

One note: maybe the Fugees website is a litle too slick, and makes you wonder just how desperate they are–but just for a moment. The coach ought to look into the ‘psychodynamics’ and maybe throttle back to a more ‘homemade’ look. Just sayin’.

]]> By: carolyn13 http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467893 carolyn13 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:45:39 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467893 <p>I’m not denying the bigotry in the South. In fact, that was the one thing I agreed with in the article. However, Clarkston is not a typical white southern baptist town. The demographics are 19.44% White, 55.66% African American and 12.57% Asian, mostly Vietnamese. It calls itself a small town in the heart of metro Atlanta, but it’s really an Atlanta suburb.</p> I’m not denying the bigotry in the South. In fact, that was the one thing I agreed with in the article. However, Clarkston is not a typical white southern baptist town. The demographics are 19.44% White, 55.66% African American and 12.57% Asian, mostly Vietnamese. It calls itself a small town in the heart of metro Atlanta, but it’s really an Atlanta suburb.

]]> By: mui http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467647 mui Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:13:16 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467647 <p>In other words, I would not be so quick to dismiss this article despite some of the facts in dispute. Even living in southern <i>university</i> town can be total sh*t for for <i>Orientals</i> and otherwise.You just want to say “cultural” my ass . But that’s bitter me.</p> In other words, I would not be so quick to dismiss this article despite some of the facts in dispute. Even living in southern university town can be total sh*t for for Orientals and otherwise.You just want to say “cultural” my ass . But that’s bitter me.

]]> By: mui http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467613 mui Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:33:04 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467613 <p>I second countryjoe @58<br /> I will not say the NYT is right, but having spent too much time in the South as part of an interracial couple certain stuff has a bitter ring of truth to it. Bigotry is often “invisible” to white Southerners because they do not walk in others shoes. Ex of some daily wearing crap: knee jerk reaction to honk at an Asian driver because being Asian means being a “bad driver”. This and other habitual crap is very very wearing, much much more so than in the North. One person said to me that walking around some part of Long Island freaked her out, because “there are no Americans.”(?!?)<br /> What I hate most is the defensive inability of many Southerners to see racism for what it is. There is always some alternative explanation. Northerners don’t understand our culture, yadda, yadda, yadda.</p> I second countryjoe @58
I will not say the NYT is right, but having spent too much time in the South as part of an interracial couple certain stuff has a bitter ring of truth to it. Bigotry is often “invisible” to white Southerners because they do not walk in others shoes. Ex of some daily wearing crap: knee jerk reaction to honk at an Asian driver because being Asian means being a “bad driver”. This and other habitual crap is very very wearing, much much more so than in the North. One person said to me that walking around some part of Long Island freaked her out, because “there are no Americans.”(?!?)
What I hate most is the defensive inability of many Southerners to see racism for what it is. There is always some alternative explanation. Northerners don’t understand our culture, yadda, yadda, yadda.

]]> By: countryjoe http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467609 countryjoe Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:02:51 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467609 <p>You really would have to live in Georgia to understand the mindset of the people of Clarkson.I do. White southern Baptist.No group talks about how wonderful their faith is and can generate more hate then them.They are everything that Jesus was against. The love Jesus but hate his teachings. I hear it everyday at work. They hate liberals, and Jesus was the biggest liberal there ever was. This<br /> is the racist south. It won’t ever change.</p> You really would have to live in Georgia to understand the mindset of the people of Clarkson.I do. White southern Baptist.No group talks about how wonderful their faith is and can generate more hate then them.They are everything that Jesus was against. The love Jesus but hate his teachings. I hear it everyday at work. They hate liberals, and Jesus was the biggest liberal there ever was. This
is the racist south. It won’t ever change.

]]> By: Sarah Deere http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467584 Sarah Deere Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:00:33 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467584 <p>jesus, jesus, jesus, how sad can we be, as a country that we cannot embrace these kids and let them have a home here. WTF is the MATTER with us, anyway.</p> jesus, jesus, jesus, how sad can we be, as a country that we cannot embrace these kids and let them have a home here. WTF is the MATTER with us, anyway.

]]> By: carolyn13 http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467517 carolyn13 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:21:17 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467517 <p>Yeah, Steve, we like all sports down here. We even tried to have a hockey team for a little while. Sports, cars and big trucks is what the South is all about - besides Republicans. lol</p> Yeah, Steve, we like all sports down here. We even tried to have a hockey team for a little while. Sports, cars and big trucks is what the South is all about – besides Republicans. lol

]]> By: repteper http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467499 repteper Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:04:12 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/21/give-me-your-tired-your-poor-your-huddled-masses-yearning-to-breathe-free/#comment-467499 <p><b>New York Times Bigotry</b><br /> Yet another example of the NYT and its problem with perception and the truth. (see Judith Miller and Jason Blair)Be careful readers, who are way to quick to assume a “southern community” is full of racism and xenophobia. This community is in a county that has had an openly gay state representative for a number of years and one of the most welcoming multi-ethnic communities in the S.E. United States.</p> New York Times Bigotry
Yet another example of the NYT and its problem with perception and the truth. (see Judith Miller and Jason Blair)Be careful readers, who are way to quick to assume a “southern community” is full of racism and xenophobia. This community is in a county that has had an openly gay state representative for a number of years and one of the most welcoming multi-ethnic communities in the S.E. United States.

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