Pach! Fitz! Jane!

Love is the Ocean of the Universe. Everywhere. We’re either open to the flow, or not. Our task on this Earth is to open . . .

Jane!

Jeff Beck ~ A Day in the Life

Favorite expression of love through art?

Gabriel Garcia Marquez’s Love in the Time of Cholera, hands down. Well, maybe it’s more a novel about different forms of love than an expression of love, but I still love it.

Great song.

Get well soon, Jane!

Home is where one starts from. And to make an end is to make a beginning.

Wow, what a lineup. I admit, I’m not familiar with everyone, but most of them…and I’ve never seen this clip of Billie Holiday before.
No profound thoughts — just listening and floating along.
Thanks.

I have a feeling I’m really gonna like the links in this thread.

Love is laughter, and snorgling.

I always liked the combination of the lyrics she wrote with the looks Stevie Nicks was shooting Lindsey Buckingham at the end of this live version of Silver Springs.

There’s love there, and a whole lot of other stuff, too. Pretty compelling.

Chet Powers: Let’s Get Together sung by the Youngbloods:

Love is but a song we sing
Fear’s the way we die
You can make the mountains ring
or hear the angels cry . . .

That is a great clip, Pach. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Billie Holliday performing before. Thanks.

I’ve always liked Walker Percy’s Love in the Ruins.

Love, the bastard demigod child of Poverty and Contrivance:

On the birthday of Aphrodite there was a feast of the gods, at which the god Poros or Plenty, who is the son of Metis or Discretion, was one of the guests. When the feast was over, Penia or Poverty, as the manner is on such occasions, came about the doors to beg. Now Plenty who was the worse for nectar (there was no wine in those days), went into the garden of Zeus and fell into a heavy sleep, and Poverty considering her own straitened circumstances, plotted to have a child by him, and accordingly she lay down at his side and conceived love, who partly because he is naturally a lover of the beautiful, and because Aphrodite is herself beautiful, and also because he was born on her birthday, is her follower and attendant. And as his parentage is, so also are his fortunes.

In the first place he is always poor, and anything but tender and fair, as the many imagine him; and he is rough and squalid, and has no shoes, nor a house to dwell in; on the bare earth exposed he lies under the open heaven, in-the streets, or at the doors of houses, taking his rest; and like his mother he is always in distress. Like his father too, whom he also partly resembles, he is always plotting against the fair and good; he is bold, enterprising, strong, a mighty hunter, always weaving some intrigue or other, keen in the pursuit of wisdom, fertile in resources; a philosopher at all times, terrible as an enchanter, sorcerer, sophist. He is by nature neither mortal nor immortal, but alive and flourishing at one moment when he is in plenty, and dead at another moment, and again alive by reason of his father’s nature. But that which is always flowing in is always flowing out, and so he is never in want and never in wealth; and, further, he is in a mean between ignorance and knowledge.

Duke Ellington. He performed at the Crystal Ballroom in Fargo back in the day. Now only the facade stands, but the music lives on vinyl, a Library of Congress edition, I think.

Saw Ellington live on the banks of the Potomac behind the Lincoln Memorial. Summer of interning in ‘69, we were determined to do and see everything in DC just in case we never returned.

Jazz is love. Playful, engulfing, melancholy, defiant. Mostly melancholy tonight, mourning a cousin’s passing today. A virulent cancer that worked its will on him in too few months. A piece of childhood gone, like frayed threads in a quilt.

Thanks, Pach, for all you do to make this blog the beautiful place that it is.

Good evening everyone. I’m going through all the pictures that have ben sent and will be responding to some of you that did the ol’ “here’s a picture,love to jane” > send! (skipping the 2nd step of attaching the picture)

However, I’m estimating that I have about 395 total images! That number will likely shrink because some folks sent very small images – but I’ll try to work them up or in or contact you for another.

So, I’ll basically cap this at 500 images or the deadline of 10am PST tomorrow morning. Then the fun part comes!

Let’s have another round of them come in tonight!

-Monk

Mariah Carey ~ ‘Vision Of Love’

Wow, Pach -

This is what comes up when you “got nothin”?

Amazing. Thanks for opening these doors.

Martin Luther King, Jr. and all the people who made the Montgomery Bus Boycott happen. These people were awesomely, steadfastly, grounded in Christian love, and when they teamed up with the ghost of Mahatma Gandhi, there was no stopping it.

Christina Aguilera ~ ‘At Last’

The prevailing belief about partnered love in our culture is romantic love, whereby two people meant for each other discover each other and make each other complete, through a rush of emotiona and perfection of union that sustains itself through love’s own power.

Does it work? Do you buy it? What is missing, if anything, from this account? What is true about it?

Pachacutec @
8

I have a feeling I’m really gonna like the links in this thread.

Why?

I do not pretend to have the market cornered or the answers to the meaning of love; indeed sometimes I have used the word as a verb.

I am eased by the revelation that ink worshipping psychologists seek meaning externally through books and whatnot.

Back when I was a skyhighatrist, I was convinced I had found all answers, but in fact only the questions were blurred.

I have never found love to be an external object. When I thought I did, it was merely from an internal projection.

I love my kids and my cat and thought I loved three women in my life, but I was mistaken. True love endures, doesn’t it? Shit, here I done went and climbed up on Pach’s sofa and without him saying a word I realized what a f*cking mess I am.

After my last “relationship” about three years ago, I “took up the cloth” (sorry Peterr, that’s a joke) and decided to find out who the hell I am, before I inflicted myself on another.

After rediscovering my joy of writing and “meeting” so many extrodinairy people online, and Jane and Christy in person, I’m afraid the bar is set exceedingly high and I refuse to lower my standards.

However, I am hopeful and believe love cannot be divided, only multiplied.

I prolly said way to much here.

I Can’t Make You Love Me

Monk @
16

Good evening everyone. I’m going through all the pictures that have ben sent and will be responding to some of you that did the ol’ “here’s a picture,love to jane” > send! (skipping the 2nd step of attaching the picture)

However, I’m estimating that I have about 395 total images! That number will likely shrink because some folks sent very small images – but I’ll try to work them up or in or contact you for another.

So, I’ll basically cap this at 500 images or the deadline of 10am PST tomorrow morning. Then the fun part comes!

Let’s have another round of them come in tonight!

-Monk

we’re looking forward to it Monk (feels good to do something, even if it’s just sending you a pic)…

Eric Clapton & Robert Cray ~ ‘Old Love’

Wanna talk about what you’ve learned about love?

Love is changing.
Love is accepting.
Love actually hurts.

Pachacutec @ 21

The prevailing belief about partnered love in our culture is romantic love, whereby two people meant for each other discover each other and make each other complete, through a rush of emotiona and perfection of union that sustains itself through love’s own power.

Does it work? Do you buy it? What is missing, if anything, from this account? What is true about it?

yer askeng me???

Well, the “rush of emotion” gives way to the daily grind of life, which is that that occurs when you are making other plans.

What is missing is reality and common sense, which is immediately aborted upon “discovery”.

Believe it or not, knowing these things and trying my best to live life from the Vulcan philosophy, I am still, deep down, romantic.

Maybe a little Louis Armstrong? Looks like a video from Good Morning, Vietnam.

Pachacutec @ 21

The prevailing belief about partnered love in our culture is romantic love, whereby two people meant for each other discover each other and make each other complete, through a rush of emotion and perfection of union that sustains itself through love’s own power.

Call me a cynic, but I think this is idealized bullshit. First off, the idea that there is one perfect someone out there for each of us to find is utter nonsense. Second, live with anyone long enough, and there is inevitably friction, no matter how much you love them. Staying with someone long-term takes work, and the ability to compromise without building up resentment over compromises made.

It is all pretty mysterious.

“Feel free to change your nickname for privacy if you like.”

I’m not sure what it says about someone who needs an alias to disguise his alias. But I guess we know each other after a while even if we don’t know who we are. I’m rambling, but that’s the effect of a hot Sunday afternoon watching criket on the telly – brain turns to mush.

What is Digby’s favorite story? Something about a little girl swinging a cat around by the tail screaming at it “You will love me!”

Sorta like the husband that shows up with his wife for marriage counseling with his hand all bandaged up declaring he is trying so hard to make his marriage work that he has broke his hand four times in the effort.

Airportcat:

. . . which is why Romeo and Juliet had to die. The idyll of romantic perfection is not sustainable. The question is, what after? HOw to sustain something positive?

Also, what draws two people together? It’s not all purity and sunshine.

The other thing about the romantic myth is it’s all so passive: love “happens” to you.

There’s some truth in that, but there’s also something to be said for preparing yourself to find someone. At least, that’s been true for me.

Pachacutec @ 30

It is all pretty mysterious.

Well, that ’bout sums it up.

Next topic?

OFG – you really are a romantic soul! it shines thru you all the time!

Billie Holliday AND Louis Armstrong? It’s just a part of a number they performed together.

Tesla ~ ‘What You Give’

I was in Synanon a live in communal drug program where we were beaten down in these games where a group of people would say what ever they wanted short of fighting, everyone would pile on one person and take them apart and believe me everybody got there turn, the rules were simple anything goes short of violence and when it was over we walked out of the room and left in the room, all those emotions we had just experienced. As a consequence we became very tight with each other. At a certain point in our time there they had what they called a Trip where we were kept up for 48 hours with only occasional naps, the theory being that we would break down even more, become more honest about those things we didn’t want anyone to know. One of the girls was from my hometown of Detroit and she started talking about her baby, I am not going to go into detail about it but it was horrific. When she was done talking I was in tears and I went over and put my arms around her and just held her, I was a grown man crying uncontrollably. I was crying for her, and crying for me because I found out I really had feelings and that one of those feelings I was experiencing was love. I have been clean ever since then and that love grew to encompass others especially my two beautiful daughters. That’s my take on it.

Oh…you are so “on point” tonight! My posting name is not the one I have used before on FDL. The issue “of love” as you address it is too painful for me to completely reveal myself. I’ve seen/read more of my own idea of real love on FDL since its inception than I’ve lived in my own life.

If music moves you, then look to the work and career of Barbara Cook. She’s been up/down/all around but is a survivor and a wonderful person to boot.

All I now look to in my life now is how I love — not who and where in particular. These last several years have taught us all we’re not in control of the larger picture of our lives. I give and love. What I receive — well, it will play out as it will. I feel blessed to know of this place and to be able to pray for any and all of you who need support.

Let me answer my own question a bit: what draws two people together?

I like that quote I pulled above from Plato. If love is the bastard child of poverty, in this myth, then love is something that always comes from some lacking. Note the description of love, the homeless vagabond, now dead, now alive again, who, like his father, acts as an ingenious and resourceful hunter in pursuit of beauty (though beauty means different things to different people).

If this is true, then there is something to the notion that two people who fit together fit in some sense because they give each other a home, and fill in the places each other lacks. But this is a far more painful, unromantic, Billy Holiday type of love, and not so much Zeffireli’s Romeo and Juliet.

Pachacutec @ 21

The prevailing belief about partnered love in our culture is romantic love, whereby two people meant for each other discover each other and make each other complete, through a rush of emotiona and perfection of union that sustains itself through love’s own power.

Does it work? Do you buy it? What is missing, if anything, from this account? What is true about it?

How many thousand words prof? Do I need references? Just joking. I recall reading that the notion of romantic love is a fairly recent construct which I think raises more questions than it answers. Personally, I’ve been married 25 year and, despite our ups and downs, I love that man today more than I ever have. Is it the romantic love that made my heart go pittypat at the mere thought of him in 1977? I don’t think it is, yet the sound of his voice on the phone always makes me smile. Our shared experiences have built something deeper and broader.

Yet I sometimes think we do ourselves and the young people around us a disservice promoting the possibility of a perfect love, of soul mates. I always used to worry when my mother told me “there’s someone out there meant for you” that my special someone was probably in Africa or somewhere equally impossible (like the old Charlie Brown card that said “With my luck, when my boat comes in, I’ll be at the airport).

Pachacutec @ 30

It is all pretty mysterious.

This is no good Pach. I’m supposed to be stumped at this shit, and pay fella’s like you, who are all knowed up, to set me straight.

I guess there are no road maps to the human heart.

Maddy: sounds horrible!

I hate those 70’s type EST experiment groups that supposedly gave you some kind of “real” experience by creating some very unreal and often abusive group conditions.

Pachacutec @ 33

Also, what draws two people together? It’s not all purity and sunshine.

Well, in my case it was a good internet personals ad.

There’s one true love I lost because of my own foolishness.

Pearl Jam’s “Black” always reminds me of the power of love.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XYn…..mp;search=

-Monk

petedownunder @ 31

“Feel free to change your nickname for privacy if you like.”

I’m not sure what it says about someone who needs an alias to disguise his alias. But I guess we know each other after a while even if we don’t know who we are. I’m rambling, but that’s the effect of a hot Sunday afternoon watching criket on the telly – brain turns to mush.

Root! You mean the cricket’s on? Drat, gotta go drag the TV closer to the computer.

Monk @
16

Good evening everyone. I’m going through all the pictures that have ben sent and will be responding to some of you that did the ol’ “here’s a picture,love to jane” > send! (skipping the 2nd step of attaching the picture)

However, I’m estimating that I have about 395 total images! That number will likely shrink because some folks sent very small images – but I’ll try to work them up or in or contact you for another.

So, I’ll basically cap this at 500 images or the deadline of 10am PST tomorrow morning. Then the fun part comes!

Let’s have another round of them come in tonight!

-Monk

(((((((((MONK!)))))))) 500 images – wowie zowie!

Siun @ 35

OFG – you really are a romantic soul! it shines thru you all the time!

I did not know it showed. Here I try to be all logical and stuff!
Thanks Siun.
Well, off to bed with me. G’nite firepups.

I think the U2 album Achtung Baby is a great examination of love, an affair’s sensations from start to finish:

The Real Thing:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=auNBl2tTHRw

Love is Blindness:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1iYXEkRUpFk

o/t -

Dixie Chicks on Austin City Limits…….unsure if this is a rerun on my local station or nationwide.

Oilfieldguy @ 48

Siun @ 35

OFG – you really are a romantic soul! it shines thru you all the time!

I did not know it showed. Here I try to be all logical and stuff!
Thanks Siun.
Well, off to bed with me. G’nite firepups.

Totally. You fooled none of us. It’s good to be a romantic, so don’t sweat it!

“Happiness is being married to your best friend.”
The slogan says it all, the needlepoint pillow it’s on is tattered, puppy-chewed on one corner, ever sought out, dusted off, placed exactly so on the sofa. But then aren’t we all after a time.

Jazz is reflective, too.
Thanks for the reflective moments, pups. Love you. G’night.

The other thing left out of the prevailing romantic myth is that it is entirely possible and plausible to be a happy, whole, healthy single person.

We get a lot of messages that say to be single is to be somehow a failure.

Well, this really goes OT, but you mentioned that this could be considered an open thread… and this diary at Daily Kos deserves your attention. Apparently, the NYT has a story with evidence showing that the Pakistani government is behind the resurgence of the Taliban. Check this out:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/20/152920/705

Back to topic – there are so many wonderful expressions of love via art (I could think of dozens from music alone). Off the top of my head, the final movement of Mahler’s Third Symphony (subtitled “What Love Tells Me” comes to mind as a truly breathtaking example. If you don’t know this symphony, you should run out and get a recording (consider the Boston Symphony’s recording (Seiji Ozawa conducting – I think it was recorded in the mid- to late-80s).

ew has some Libbyness:

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c…..m_say.html

Pach,

Not at this time, nor in this place, but next time some suthron racist bastard spouts off [coughmacacacough] please consider this as a late nighter. I’m a big Billie fan, and this is close to as good as it gets, disturbing as it is.

Pachacutec @ 53

The other thing left out of the prevailing romantic myth is that it is entirely possible and plausible to be a happy, whole, healthy single person.

We get a lot of messages that say to be single is to be somehow a failure.

I think being a happy, whole, healthy single person is almost a prerequisite to being half of a whole, happy, healthy couple.

And on being single = failure, what does that do to gay people when the laws of the land do not recognize their unions?

That song is beautiful, I am sitting here with my guitar not plugged in playing with some of the greatest musicians ever, as if I was playing right there with them, ah dreams, thanks for posting it.

I love jazz

A few honorable mentions in my current mix

The Complete Quartets With Sonny Clark

Coleman Hawkins Encounters Ben Webster

The Late Show

Some old records

Soundtrack – A Man And A Woman

Billy Taylor Trio – At Town Hall

Gerry Mulligan Quartet – Pacific Jazz (10″)

Workin’ With The Miles Davis Quintet

*sigh* I forgot about to many linkys..

‘I’m gonna sacrifice something that I really love‘

Pachacutec @ 49

I think the U2 album Achtung Baby is a great examination of love, an affair’s sensations from start to finish:

The Real Thing:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=auNBl2tTHRw

Love is Blindness:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1iYXEkRUpFk

U2 also provides a counterpoint: One.

Persiflage @ 46

petedownunder @ 31

“Feel free to change your nickname for privacy if you like.”

I’m not sure what it says about someone who needs an alias to disguise his alias. But I guess we know each other after a while even if we don’t know who we are. I’m rambling, but that’s the effect of a hot Sunday afternoon watching criket on the telly – brain turns to mush.

Root! You mean the cricket’s on? Drat, gotta go drag the TV closer to the computer.

NZ 5 for 95 28th over. They are batting first

Becoming a parent has taught me that love is not an emotion, but a way of being. It’s the things I do every day for my husband and children, even when I don’t feel like it or don’t want to or don’t feel “loving.” The commitment we make to those we love is played out in our everyday actions–that is love.

my lord, this blog has degenerated in to a personal pulpit to espouse what my dog did today…honestly I am concerned and my thoughts go out to Jane, but when I first strted reading this blog it was relevant and had impact, now it’s just a bunch of personal diatribes with a smattering of posts with impact, let’s get back to the roots, less snide humour and merely being an outlet for personal blog style wrtitings…

I agree. Just look at all this irrelevant fluff from today:

# The Battle For Sadr City
# Waxman Invites Bremer to Appear Before Congress
# Waiting Room — Saturday Edition
# Smearing Justice and the Rule of Law
# Blue America: Who Opposes Escalation, And Who Doesn’t?
# Waiting . . .
# Pull Up A Chair…

A Political – there are millions of blogs you can read if we are not to your taste …

And folks, let’s not get into a commotion tonight, we’re all in need of a bit of relax and good conversation on Pach’s topic.

Pach … I really like your choice of questions … ’sgot me thinking here but no conclusions. Love for me has been a mix of high emotion for a few interesting partners, daily caring for my kids and relishing the sharing of life with good friends but what LOVE means … ah, not so sure beyond I’m still learning.

petedownunder @ 62

Persiflage @ 46

petedownunder @ 31

“Feel free to change your nickname for privacy if you like.”

I’m not sure what it says about someone who needs an alias to disguise his alias. But I guess we know each other after a while even if we don’t know who we are. I’m rambling, but that’s the effect of a hot Sunday afternoon watching criket on the telly – brain turns to mush.

Root! You mean the cricket’s on? Drat, gotta go drag the TV closer to the computer.

NZ 5 for 95 28th over. They are batting first

I’ll probably lose my citizenship over this (and I may be a bit early in the game to say it) but I miss the era when I started the day thinking that we might actually lose a match.

And good on ya Pete for embracing the national sport. Who do you barrack (not root!) for in the AFL?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7xB6Q7CR0

You don’t know what love is
Until you learn the meaning of the blues
Until you’ve lost a love you had to lose
You don’t know what love is

You don’t know how lips hurt
Until you’ve kissed and had to pay the cost
Until you’ve flipped your heart and you have lost
You don’t know what love is

Do you know how a lost hearts fears
The thought of reminiscing
And how lips that taste the tears
Lose their taste for kissing?

You don’t know how hearts burn
For love that cannot live yet never dies
Until you’ve faced each dawn with sleepless eyes
You don’t know what love is

Siun @ 67

Pach … I really like your choice of questions … ’sgot me thinking here but no conclusions. Love for me has been a mix of high emotion for a few interesting partners, daily caring for my kids and relishing the sharing of life with good friends but what LOVE means … ah, not so sure beyond I’m still learning.

There’s no final answers anyway, which is not to say we can’t learn by kicking things around with others. But people have to be in the mood for that, which is why this is an open thread.

In other words, feel free to tell fart jokes, or whatever.

Okay, a Brit on talk radio the other day: “As we say at home, when Bush farts, Blair apologizes….” :)

Pete … someday, I’d love to have cricket actually explained! I’ve known cricket fans from both the UK and from Jamaica and I am always confused … tho the Brits I knew described cricket as the perfect sport since you could drink and the games go on for days … they implied this meant they could ignore their wives for days so perhaps this too is appropos to the topic?

I love how Jeff Beck’s music makes me feel. Hendrix too. But that’s just me for you.

We’re watching Ancic v. Roddick at the Australian back here.

Pachacutec @ 70

In other words, feel free to tell fart jokes, or whatever.

Fart jokes? Like Sean Maguire (the Robin Williams character in Good Will Hunting) reminiscing about his dead wife?

LOVE. It’s yours to give. And feels so wonderful when someone’s waiting for you alone, to welcome home.

I went to see Gerry Mulligan play when I was studying the sax in NY in ‘78, at I believe was 7th ave South. He was unbelievable and I went up to him and asked for an autograph nervously. He was drunk as a skunk and signed a napkin for me…Then went back and played another dyn-o-mite set…

Wow. Ancic just broke Roddick to force a fifth set.

I love Tina Turner, in a totally heterosexual way of course. This woman his risen from the ashes of really bad things.

Tina Turner – Addicted To Love (Live Camden Palace 1986)

And, as bookends on either side, two other great Tina Turner voices:

after: Tina Turner – What’s Love Got To Do With It Live 2005

before: ike and tina turner i,ve been loving you too long The YouTube image is a record playing, but the sound is great. This is a fabulous voice. And, you gotta listen to this where she sings “you can get me to do anything you want me to do”. Think on it…..

Cool story, John.

Maddy – I fell in love with a Synanon girl. The love is still with us, unfortunately the passion fades.

A good relationship takes good, hard work. Gotta be brave and not pull punches but not be underhanded and zing them. Gotta own up to your own part of the equation/problem because that’s the only part you have responsibility for and can change.

That’s it in a nutshell but the human condition is such that it plays itself out in innumerable forms.

We are all very good at fooling ourselves. It takes a very honest and strong person to truly see what is going on and to continue to invite their significant other into relationship.

Easy to say, very hard to do.

Siun @ 67

… ah, not so sure beyond I’m still learning.

When I’ve stopped learning, will somebody please throw dirt on me? Thanks.

neokneme … jeff beck is one of my faves, tho very much from the beck ola days! I got to see him live back in the day (when Rod Stewart was his singer) and my ears are *still* ringing!

Siun @ 72

Pete … someday, I’d love to have cricket actually explained! I’ve known cricket fans from both the UK and from Jamaica and I am always confused … tho the Brits I knew described cricket as the perfect sport since you could drink and the games go on for days … they implied this meant they could ignore their wives for days so perhaps this too is appropos to the topic?

At least here in Australia, cricket’s pretty popular with women. As for understanding criket here’s one explanation.

The team captains toss a coin to decide which team will be in. 2 players from the team that is in then goes out and bats until they are out, at which time another player comes in until he too is out. This continues until the team that is in is all out. Then the team that was out becomes the team that is in and they go out until, they too, are out. At which time they come in and the the team that was in in the first place comes in again until they’re out. The team with the most runs scored when everybody is out twice wins.

Can’t be simpler than that, really!

Thanks Pach, lovely…
For me,
Unconditional Love: Grace.
I learned the idea when I was twelve and in confirmation class at my Lutheran church, but I didn’t really get it until this last year:
Commitment to loving without judgment.
Practice loving only to love.
Love is Spirit, divine.
Accepting my partner, my children, my loving friends and family with only love, not conditional on any behavior or actions or words…

It took me 54 years to get this practice where I could be conscious of it and open to it; open to love.
It’s Grace, and it’s the most beautiful thing.

Eureka … do you think that’s inevitable over time? I was married for 20 years but it was never really good … not sure about what a long term love would be like.

My son is very involved in polyamory and – while I don’t think I could get past my old fashioned ways – I can see how that can be a very wise approach. He sent me a copy of The Ethical Slut and I found a lot of the discussion valuable for all relationships, not just poly ones.

Persiflage … ah, now I get it! thank you!

it’s all about the ole in and outs eh?

That’s it for me gang. Goodnight!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=komvwScXtoQ

Well, it took me forever, but this is what I wanted to find. El Condor Pasa. About 2 minutes into the video. Such a soaring song!

g’nite Pach!

Siun @ 84

neokneme … jeff beck is one of my faves, tho very much from the beck ola days! I got to see him live back in the day (when Rod Stewart was his singer) and my ears are *still* ringing!

I picked up “Jeff” and it has been most inspiring. “Guitar shop” too. Very compelling feelings.

“Wild thing” however is more like blog love. Primal, passionate & addicting.

Siun @ 88

Persiflage … ah, now I get it! thank you!

it’s all about the ole in and outs eh?

Clear as mud eh? Yep, ins and outs. I’ve grown up with the game and I still don’t understand all the rules.

Persiflage- are you an Aussie? When I was in the UK my collaborator/ co-experimenter had to listen to cricket when we were doing experiments together. I thought it was kinda like baseball, in the old days before steroids, but slower moving. Same arcane special language, and that I loved. Sticky wicket, high slider to the inside, and so on.

Phyllis Hyman…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_xejvPU_ME

I think love is listening. We all talk and type so much.

I think love is listening.

And that Jeff Beck clip kicked my ass.

Tim @ 96

I think love is listening. We all talk and type so much.

I think love is listening.

And that Jeff Beck clip kicked my ass.

Not only listening, but hearing.

Persiflage @ 68

And good on ya Pete for embracing the national sport. Who do you barrack (not root!) for in the AFL?

Brisbane Lions. Actually of all the Aussie games, I really like AFL, but 20/20 cricket is pretty good too. As a former New Yorker cricket is a little slow and forget soccer. How about you?

OK, way OT. Do others have flashbacks?

PerryA

Valley Girl @ 94

Persiflage- are you an Aussie? When I was in the UK my collaborator/ co-experimenter had to listen to cricket when we were doing experiments together. I thought it was kinda like baseball, in the old days before steroids, but slower moving. Same arcane special language, and that I loved. Sticky wicket, high slider to the inside, and so on.

Indeedy do I am m’aam. There’s nothing quite like the THWACK of leather on willow for me. One thing I’ve always loved is the expression “It’s just not cricket” to describe something unfair. You’re never going to hear anyone say “It’s just not boxing” unless they’re describing the ballet.

There are now shorter versions of the game -the one-day game and the 20-20 which lasts about 4 hours. As for that arcane language, here’s some from the commentary of today’s game:

==Vettori adds some more to his tally, an off-cut to backward point allowing him to run three. Well fielded by Stuart Clark on the boundary

Vettori plays Symonds straight down the ground and runs two

Vettori is off the mark after poking the ball to short point, and running a single

In comes Vettori for NZ

McGrath returns to the field following the drinks break in style – he dismisses McCullum with a lovely straight delivery that hits the New Zealander square on the pad. The umpire does not heitate in raising the finger…

Now it’s time for a drinks break

How about a flashback from last night? There was a mention of Elkhart Ind.

This time it’s different though.

Not that it doesn’t involve love in some manner of speaking.

Persiflage @ 100

Now it’s time for a drinks break

Ya gotta love a game that has drinks breaks, even if it is slow. One yank described cricket as a cross between baseball and waiting for a bus.

Valley Girl – just a quick wave to thank you for your thoughtful PS with your problem solving analogy last thread. Your words continue to resonate as all good counsel is apt to do! xo

Siun @ 87

Eureka … do you think that’s inevitable over time? I was married for 20 years but it was never really good … not sure about what a long term love would be like.

My son is very involved in polyamory and – while I don’t think I could get past my old fashioned ways – I can see how that can be a very wise approach. He sent me a copy of The Ethical Slut and I found a lot of the discussion valuable for all relationships, not just poly ones.

Although it is far from my experience, up until now, I don’t think it’s a preordained inevitability for all.

Polyamory, I admire for those who have that interest. In earlier years I would ponder if such a lack of interest originates on my part from social conditioning or insecurities. It’s just not a part of who I am nor am I threatened in any way by those who find a spark in that plug. Jealousy was an emotion I could catch quickly and call myself on it most of the time, so polyamory wasn’t a challenge or an interest beyond , you know, those crazy years. I make a much better soul mate than one on the rotate.
The open mind approach proves best when considering wisdom, wouldn’t you say?

Open minds are the key Eureka!

What I admire about my son’s path is the intense committment to open discussion and tuning in to other’s concerns and space.

I have always been on the soulmate path myself … and these days find solo life rather a treat … I enjoy my time to myself and the chance to be more selfish about time and energy than I ever manage when in relationships (Trex and I were discussing this the other night and I confessed that when “in love” I am the one who gets up first to make coffee even though I never drink the stuff! LOL!)

petedownunder @ 102

Persiflage @ 100

Now it’s time for a drinks break

Ya gotta love a game that has drinks breaks, even if it is slow. One yank described cricket as a cross between baseball and waiting for a bus.

I’ve tried to figure out a baseball-cricket analogy before but never quite managed it, probably because I don’t know enough about baseball. There’s a great piece about the place of sport in the Aussie psyche in today’s online Age by Waleed Ali:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/…..74936.html

Mind you when I was growing up in the suburbs of Sydney we dreamed of having a chance to experience the excitement of waiting for a bus so we were pretty easily entertained.

One of many great romantic scenes in a schmaltzy, lovey movie.

Persiflage- I have a good friend who immigrated to Oz. Also, her brother did same. 2/4 sibs who left the UK for Oz. They both are in Melbourne. Not sure where you are, but on the chance that you are near, let me know.

Siun,

I managed to cash in a few chips a few years back and head for these hills. It’s amazing how comfortable I am on a solo path! And I must say I love the company of good friend or partner. I have fallen in love with my inner hermit as well as a few wonderful souls in my life. I don’t think a lot of people find the time to do both. Whatever love is, it’s not fixed. It would seem to me that trying to label it to much is a large part of what limits its possibility. Like describing a lovely work of jazz.
In the right circumstance it sure is fun to try…)

Siun – Do your kids like Cat Power?

Valley Girl, I’m about as far from Melbourne as you can get and still be on the same continent, I’m in Perth, on the west coast. Kinda like I’m in LA and they’re in NY.

Here’s another piece of genuine cricket commentary for you. Don’t you just love the “Oh dear”?

Oh dear – a yorker from Brett Lee is called for a no ball, whilst coming off the toe of Gillespie’s bat and travelling to fine leg for four. Five off the one ball

AirportCat @
13

I’ve always liked Walker Percy’s Love in the Ruins.

make that “The Movie Goer” and i’m with you ……

Persiflage – NZ all out for 218. Baseball has been described as an island of action in a sea of statistics. If you’re ever in the US during baseball season (late April to late October) have someone who knows both games take you to a baseball game. It will be easy to understand then.

Cricket gets the award for best names for fielding positions – first base and left field can’t compete with square leg and silly mid on.

Cat Power? enlighten me?

(back in a minute – pup power here demands to go outside!)

I saw Cat Power a few months ago. She was great.

petedownunder @ 113

Persiflage – NZ all out for 218. Baseball has been described as an island of action in a sea of statistics. If you’re ever in the US during baseball season (late April to late October) have someone who knows both games take you to a baseball game. It will be easy to understand then.

Cricket gets the award for best names for fielding positions – first base and left field can’t compete with square leg and silly mid on.

Is it just me or is most American sport awash with statistics? Basketball certainly seems to be. Gridiron might be too but I grew up watching rugby league so I can’t watch gridiron without giggling. It’s the padding and the super-tight pants that set me off. Mind you, they may not be as injury-prone as our AFL players who are far less protected.

Persiflage @ 111

Valley Girl, I’m about as far from Melbourne as you can get and still be on the same continent, I’m in Perth, on the west coast. Kinda like I’m in LA and they’re in NY.

Here’s another piece of genuine cricket commentary for you. Don’t you just love the “Oh dear”?

Oh dear – a yorker from Brett Lee is called for a no ball, whilst coming off the toe of Gillespie’s bat and travelling to fine leg for four. Five off the one ball

Persiflage, oh, well about the distance. But I do think criket lingo has baseball lingo beat hands down. But, I didn’t tune into the wonderfulness of baseball lingo until I was living in the UK and reading the International Herald Tribune BB articles. Having been subjected to the arcane social language in the UK, which took me a good while to figure out, I did enjoy my private understanding of “high slider to the inside”- sorta like the Brit equivalent of “really, how interesting”, which is a total putdown.

She was on this episode of Austin City Limits (I hope that link works,on dial up here). It’s the second half of that episode. She has a unique voice and style.
Try it sometime, if it works.

fahrender @ 112

AirportCat @
13

I’ve always liked Walker Percy’s Love in the Ruins.

make that “The Movie Goer” and i’m with you ……

Actually, I like anything and everything Percy wrote, but Love in the Ruins is particularly my favorite.

Dover Bitch @ 115

I saw Cat Power a few months ago. She was great.

I would love to see her live!

Eureka Springs, AR @ 120

Dover Bitch @ 115

I saw Cat Power a few months ago. She was great.

I would love to see her live!

She was excellent and it was in a tiny venue, so it was a real intimate performance — perfect for her style. I bought her CD, “The Greatest,” the next day and like it quite a bit. Especially “The Moon” and “Love and Communication.” Actually, her live performance of “The Moon” made me want to get the CD.

Been listening to her for about seven years now. The interview at the end of ACL suprised me a bit. She grew up at least in part in GA, with a honky tonking step father. I didn’t have any idea about my preconceived notion until that hit me as a surprise. Guess I thought she was a NYC girl.

She’s on a commercial right now for diamonds or something. A guy puts a necklace on his wife while she’s sleeping and Cat Power sings “How can I tell you that I love you?”

Persiflage, what the hell is this “gridiron” of which you speak? You do mean Football, don’t you?

I have “you are free” and “the covers record” both are great. She does the Rolling Stones in such a cool way. Would love to hear her do some jazz someday.

I’m waiting for my neighbors to gain perspective on whats important. I wish the Colts well too tomorrow, but the fact we are ignoring some very important issues in our city while obsessing over a football game has me wondering what would life be like if our crime rate got half as much attention as our defense gets.

WaPo’s got some fuckwad writing in romantic tones about Jeb Bush and how he’s the better Bush and can’t we all just have a Bush together- and he’s not nearly as dead as he looks- and maybe he should be VP etc. etc. etc.

Makes ya wanna Puke in someone’s shoes- NO MORE FUCKIN BUSHES!!!!!

Our host for the evening has evidently gone to bed, so I’m probably EPU’d.

I have to say that I discovered more about my own soul when I fell in love. I also believe it’s the one opportunity to be authentic with another human being — to be known in one’s entirety, and they want to stay with you anyway.

IMHO,
-S

Eureka Springs, AR @ 125

I have “you are free” and “the covers record” both are great. She does the Rolling Stones in such a cool way. Would love to hear her do some jazz someday.

Yeah, she played “Satisfaction” at the show. But I prefer the DEVO version.

Valley Girl,

It can’t have been easy adjusting to the English of the British. I hope you didn’t make any ‘fanny’ or ’spunk’ faux pas. It would have had your English friends and colleagues most amused. In a foreign place the things that are almost mundane at home become precious. I know Australians abroad who cheerfully host parties of expats at ungodly hours to watch Aussie Rules football or cricket.
I do love the language of cricket although I have to admit that I only recently found out the difference between off-stump and leg-stump. Somehow my ignorance never spoiled my enjoyment of the game.

One of the blogs I read is The Sudanese Thinker Drima is a young Sudanese Muslim. His blog like this one reminds me how mush love perfect strangers can share in this medium. Anyway when Drima pointed to this post The Lost Jihad: Love in Islam I had to read it.

Since Monday when I read Martin Luther King’s speech Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break the Silence I’ve been thinking about the kind of radical love he extolled. I’m angry and I know it. So I’m trying to let love work in me and finding it difficult.

The essay about love in Islam, really about agape love, melded well with my questioning about love because it talks about love as a personal struggle. King talked about that struggle too and asked: “Shall we say the odds are too great? Shall we tell them the struggle is too hard?”

There is so much to say about love, I wanted to add the importance of courageousness to this discussion.

Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 126

I’m waiting for my neighbors to gain perspective on whats important. I wish the Colts well too tomorrow, but the fact we are ignoring some very important issues in our city while obsessing over a football game has me wondering what would life be like if our crime rate got half as much attention as our defense gets.

I do sympathize, really. But that made me laugh..)

Our host may be off to dreamland but we seem to have a nice conversation rolling along tonight …

I’m going to have to check out Cat Power …
my kids have not mentioned her but my daughter primarily listens to hiphop (and has converted me to it) and my son …listens to everything.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 132

Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 126

I’m waiting for my neighbors to gain perspective on whats important. I wish the Colts well too tomorrow, but the fact we are ignoring some very important issues in our city while obsessing over a football game has me wondering what would life be like if our crime rate got half as much attention as our defense gets.

I do sympathize, really. But that made me laugh..)

Seriously though, if some ex policemen were gathered in a booth in LA calling play by plays of live video of a cop on a domestic violence call, you would have a hell of a show! Oh wait – Armed and Famous has this on already. Nevermind.

rwcole @ 127

Makes ya wanna Puke in someone’s shoes- NO MORE FUCKIN BUSHES!!!!!

The fuckin’ Queen of England can endorse him and it won’t amount to anything more than shitting on his shoes.

In Jebby’s case, being smarter only makes him even more dangerous than his previous relatives in the White House. He’s just as corrupt as the rest of `em, just as determined to profit from public service.

The day this country votes for another Bush is the day I become convinced that it’s turned as fascist as Prescott Bush’s sympathies.

Shit on the lot of them.

AirportCat @ 124

Persiflage, what the hell is this “gridiron” of which you speak? You do mean Football, don’t you?

Airportcat,
I live in a country where we play 4 different codes of football. Saying you’re going to the football might mean you’re watching rugby union, rugby league, Aussie Rules or soccer. The all claim the right to be called Football. If you add American Football to the mix we’re going to get mighty confused. And we confuse easily, at least I do.

AirportCat @ 124

Persiflage, what the hell is this “gridiron” of which you speak? You do mean Football, don’t you?

Australia has four “codes” of football:
Rugby League, Rugby Union, Aussie Rules (AFL) and soccer, so to avoid confusion American football, which is unknown here except from TV, is called gridiron. The Aussies think American football players are wimps for wearing all that padding, having watched both forms of rugby and AFL I am inclined to agree. On the other hand the Aussie players are not 300 pounds of steroid fueled maniacs either.

As soon as we rabid lambs save the world again I am going to take my television on a one way trip to a thrift shop. (must have cspan for waxman poetic)

Persiflage @ 136

AirportCat @ 124

Persiflage, what the hell is this “gridiron” of which you speak? You do mean Football, don’t you?

Airportcat,
I live in a country where we play 4 different codes of football. Saying you’re going to the football might mean you’re watching rugby union, rugby league, Aussie Rules or soccer. The all claim the right to be called Football. If you add American Football to the mix we’re going to get mighty confused. And we confuse easily, at least I do.

Like Persiflage said. Glad I got it right. Don’t ask me to tell you the difference between Rugby League and Rugby Union.

petedownunder @ 137

AirportCat @ 124

Persiflage, what the hell is this “gridiron” of which you speak? You do mean Football, don’t you?

On the other hand the Aussie players are not 300 pounds of steroid fueled maniacs either.

You’ve never seen the front row of a rugby pack have you?

Recent Polls show that GW Clusterfuck is havin his ass kicked in popularity by genital warts. THEY haven’t killed anyone in Iraq..

Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 126

I’m waiting for my neighbors to gain perspective on whats important. I wish the Colts well too tomorrow, but the fact we are ignoring some very important issues in our city while obsessing over a football game has me wondering what would life be like if our crime rate got half as much attention as our defense gets.

Holy crap, FFT, what do you think it’s like in New Orleans? Forty years in the NFL’s wilderness, and tomorrow the Saints have a chance to finally make it to the Promised Land. This city has always loved the Saints, and now they are going batshit. So what if large swathes of the landscape look worse than Beruit or Baghdad? The Saints are in the NFC Championship Game!

Just because ya have a teevee doesn’t mean that you’ve gotta turn the thing on and listen to it lie to ya.

Persiflage @ 140

petedownunder @ 137

AirportCat @ 124

Persiflage, what the hell is this “gridiron” of which you speak? You do mean Football, don’t you?

On the other hand the Aussie players are not 300 pounds of steroid fueled maniacs either.

You’ve never seen the front row of a rugby pack have you?

They can’t be more than 250 pounds each, but it’s true they have no necks. American footballers, particularly the lineman, are truly huge.

to some people it never really happens. they aren’t willing to let go.
it’s too chaotic. there’s too much pain waiting down the road. if you can’t let yourself be a fool, then forget it.
i don’t know about the idea of finding the “perfect person” but long after i thought it would never happen to me (thirty years in fact) i had a once in a lifetime romance. there was more exhileration and sense of belonging with someone than i had ever imagined possible. it lasted almost a year.

billie had that softness, that vulnerability that was pretty much unique. i knew a saxophone player, preston love, who’d played with basie. he had an old fashioned notion of music and all the blues could express that billie exemplified. i collected mulligan’s records. i never met him or heard him live.

pach, somehow i think of rollo may’s “the courage to create” when you start listing books about love. it isn’t directly so but that rilke poem at the end of it set me on the journey that lead me to my unforgettable love …….

Spoiler Alert: Aussie Open

Sixth seed Andy Roddick tamed powerful Croatian Mario Ancic 6-3 3-6 6-1 5-7 6-4 to reach the Australian Open quarter-finals. Sydney Morning Herald has the full story.

!!!SUNDAY, SUNDAY, SUNDAY!!!

Thees Sunday, 10:00 am on CNN’s Reliable Sources.

The valiant Mike Stark takes on the easily confoos-ed weengnutbar Dan Riehl een a debate regarding Spocko, KSFO, and the depredations of El Raton, weeth the asinine Howie “the Ho” Kurtz as referee.

Our companerro Mike Stark, of http://www.callingallwingnuts.com, has the details:

Published by Mike Stark January 20th, 2007

I’ll be on Reliable Sources tomorrow morning, 1/21, sometime between 10:30 and 11:00
on CNN with Howie Kurtz from 10-11. I should be on in the second half.

I believe the topic will be KSFO, but I’m really in the dark as to what exactly Howie will want to discuss. At my suggestion, they’ve also invited Dan Riehl, of Riehl World, to debate the topic.

Sr. Stark expresses confidence een the outcome of thees match-up, and, having read some of the posts* on Riehl-Bizarro-Worldview.com, all I can offer by way of advice ees to say:

Mike, be gentle.

!Vamanos! Be there or be a steenky centrist.

Persiflage – Oz batting now 0/3 so far.

Siun – Just a specific genre clue on the Cat..She is smooth, mellow, cool. Could do her own Billy Holiday cover album. All hip, no hop.

AirportCat @ 142

Holy crap, FFT, what do you think it’s like in New Orleans? Forty years in the NFL’s wilderness, and tomorrow the Saints have a chance to finally make it to the Promised Land. This city has always loved the Saints, and now they are going batshit. So what if large swathes of the landscape look worse than Beruit or Baghdad? The Saints are in the NFC Championship Game!

Similar NFL historical circumstances for the Indianapolis Colts, but the team did have glory in its history back in Baltimore. But the Saints have America behind them. If the Colts face the Saints in the Super Bowl everyone will root for NOLA. I hate that so much emotion gets tied up in a sports contest.

This strangely fits the thread topic of Love. Love of sports team is one way for people to identify with each other. I know marriages based on mutual team love leading to the couple meeting. Lots of emphasis on team identity these days. Very strange indeed.

thanks Eureka! I got distracted over on YouTube … was looking for a specific song which always seemed the best about love but I can’t find it … can’t remember the title but it’s from an old Highway 101 cd … (talk about not hiphop!LOL)

Petedownunder

The difference between Rugby League and Rugby Union are reasonably few. The rules differ a bit – a tackled player in rugby league gets up and plays the ball back to a teammate. In union you must get rid of the ball. The real difference is more interesting and class-based. Rugby Union has always been associated with universities, it was considered a gentleman’s game. As such, it was strictly amateur. When a group of players who actually needed to earn money decided to become professionals there was a big split and Rugby League was born.

El Gato Negro!!! we are honored!

and Mike Stark’s appearance should be quite something! can’t wait to see it!

Siun @ 151

thanks Eureka! I got distracted over on YouTube … was looking for a specific song which always seemed the best about love but I can’t find it … can’t remember the title but it’s from an old Highway 101 cd … (talk about not hiphop!LOL)

See if it isn’t here.

I usually get strange looks when I say this, but I think that at the center of the great film Fargo is a wonderful love story.

In the midst of all the greed and sickness, Marge Gunderson and her aptly named husband Norm show each other real love in the most mundane ways. She brings him fishing worms and compliments his paintings, he fixes her breakfast before dawn and brings her Arbys.

Persiflage @ 130

Valley Girl,

It can’t have been easy adjusting to the English of the British. I hope you didn’t make any ‘fanny’ or ’spunk’ faux pas. It would have had your English friends and colleagues most amused. In a foreign place the things that are almost mundane at home become precious. I know Australians abroad who cheerfully host parties of expats at ungodly hours to watch Aussie Rules football or cricket.
I do love the language of cricket although I have to admit that I only recently found out the difference between off-stump and leg-stump. Somehow my ignorance never spoiled my enjoyment of the game.

Persiflage- well, I did get caught by the “fanny” thing! Such an innocent word! And, I was just surfing on the net- because I lived with a rugby fanatic in the UK for 10 years. Welshman, and he had debentures for Cardiff Arms Park, so we went to see every game there. Nothing like hearing a huge contingent of Welshhmen sing the National Anthem Absolutely not like how “we” sing the Star-Spangled Banner. Thank goodness you are the Wallabies, and not the All Blacks, who had a really nasty reputation at the time.

Persiflage (and petedownunder). I was just having a bit of sport with you on the football/gridiron thing … and it’s even more confusing when you consider that there is also “Arena Football”, the Canadians’ version of American Football, and the fact that most of the non-English-speaking world thinks that ‘football’ means ’soccer’!

With respect to the padding used in “gridiron”, well, it’s not a sport for the timid. NFL players are so big, strong, and fast it is truly scary. Most linemen are well over 300 pounds, and all of them run faster than you and I can.

Fini!!!! you are a genius!

it’s there … a tiny clip but still:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg…..rn286w054a

I’m not going to be a steenky centrist. Good night!

Persiflage – Oz now 2 for 8 with Gilcrest and Hayden out, the Kiwis have a shot. Thanks for the update on Union vs League. I’ve been to both but can’t keep them straight though I recall league was a faster game.

That was an interesting article in The Age.

I should probably go make dinner. I’ll check back later.

Nite all.

Valley Girl @ 156

Persiflage @ 130

Valley Girl,

It can’t have been easy adjusting to the English of the British. I hope you didn’t make any ‘fanny’ or ’spunk’ faux pas. It would have had your English friends and colleagues most amused. In a foreign place the things that are almost mundane at home become precious. I know Australians abroad who cheerfully host parties of expats at ungodly hours to watch Aussie Rules football or cricket.
I do love the language of cricket although I have to admit that I only recently found out the difference between off-stump and leg-stump. Somehow my ignorance never spoiled my enjoyment of the game.

Persiflage- well, I did get caught by the “fanny” thing! Such an innocent word! And, I was just surfing on the net- because I lived with a rugby fanatic in the UK for 10 years. Welshman, and he had debentures for Cardiff Arms Park, so we went to see every game there. Nothing like hearing a huge contingent of Welshhmen sing the National Anthem Absolutely not like how “we” sing the Star-Spangled Banner. Thank goodness you are the Wallabies, and not the All Blacks, who had a really nasty reputation at the time.

Ha! The fanny thing catches lots of people out. An American friend once wrote a poem to celebrate the birthday of an English friend. Unfortunately, she described him as full of spunk. “Eew” we all replied as we tried to diplomatically explain why it wasn’t the best description.

I love the Welsh accent, they sounds like they’re singing when they’re just talking. If you thought the All Blacks were nasty, you never saw the French play

Fini, I lived in San Francisco during a couple of winning super bowls. It’s worse than the Rodney King riots or a major earthquake aftermath. People rolled cars over broke all kinds of sh**. One year I was in North Beach working at a shop. It got so crazy so I just closed the place up in the middle of the day and barely made it home on my motorcycle in one piece. My helmet paid for itself that afternoon.

Best advice, stay indoors and be sure to have your garden hose prepared for fires.

Siun @
158

Fini!!!! you are a genius!

it’s there … a tiny clip but still:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg…..rn286w054a

If it is online I can usually find it. Which song was it? Maybe I can find a full version for you.

Nite (or evening) Pete. It’s been fun chatting. I’m so impressed that you’ve mastered so much of the local culture. Enjoy your dinner (or is it tea in QLD), whatever enjoy!

Persiflage @ 152

Petedownunder

The difference between Rugby League and Rugby Union are reasonably few. The rules differ a bit – a tackled player in rugby league gets up and plays the ball back to a teammate. In union you must get rid of the ball. The real difference is more interesting and class-based. Rugby Union has always been associated with universities, it was considered a gentleman’s game. As such, it was strictly amateur. When a group of players who actually needed to earn money decided to become professionals there was a big split and Rugby League was born.

Not the same in the UK- at least when I was there- rugby union was played by hard scrabble men (Wales and Scotland anyway) who did it out of love of the game. They were not U gentlemen.

Fini – It’s “Bridge across Forever” … I sing it to myself rather often … (this feels very confessional somehow but it works for me)

John Power – what a wonderful comment and thank you to the pointer to some great new reading!

Persiflage @ 164

Nite (or evening) Pete. It’s been fun chatting. I’m so impressed that you’ve mastered so much of the local culture. Enjoy your dinner (or is it tea in QLD), whatever enjoy!

They call it tea here, but I don’t. Thanks for the support. The locals have been most tolerant of my yankee ways. Have a good afternoon out west.

Yeah, here is a full version of “Bridge Across Forever” on Napster. Pretty song.

forkush at 155

me too!

Valley Girl @ 165

Persiflage @ 152

Petedownunder

The difference between Rugby League and Rugby Union are reasonably few. The rules differ a bit – a tackled player in rugby league gets up and plays the ball back to a teammate. In union you must get rid of the ball. The real difference is more interesting and class-based. Rugby Union has always been associated with universities, it was considered a gentleman’s game. As such, it was strictly amateur. When a group of players who actually needed to earn money decided to become professionals there was a big split and Rugby League was born.

Not the same in the UK- at least when I was there- rugby union was played by hard scrabble men (Wales and Scotland anyway) who did it out of love of the game. They were not U gentlemen.

The split between League and Union goes back about 120 years so, these days, people might play either and, in fact, some players change from one to the other.

forkush @ 155

I usually get strange looks when I say this, but I think that at the center of the great film Fargo is a wonderful love story.

In the midst of all the greed and sickness, Marge Gunderson and her aptly named husband Norm show each other real love in the most mundane ways. She brings him fishing worms and compliments his paintings, he fixes her breakfast before dawn and brings her Arbys.

Could not agree more..after all it’s the love story (character) that took the oscar, iirc.

Persiflage @ 170

Valley Girl @ 165

Persiflage @ 152

Petedownunder

The difference between Rugby League and Rugby Union are reasonably few. The rules differ a bit – a tackled player in rugby league gets up and plays the ball back to a teammate. In union you must get rid of the ball. The real difference is more interesting and class-based. Rugby Union has always been associated with universities, it was considered a gentleman’s game. As such, it was strictly amateur. When a group of players who actually needed to earn money decided to become professionals there was a big split and Rugby League was born.

Not the same in the UK- at least when I was there- rugby union was played by hard scrabble men (Wales and Scotland anyway) who did it out of love of the game. They were not U gentlemen.

The split between League and Union goes back about 120 years so, these days, people might play either and, in fact, some players change from one to the other.

risking a major zig here, but I remember in the UK when certain rugby stars joined rugby league. It was a major uproar at the time.

Fini … thank you so much! what a treat!

It really is one of my all time favorites. And that whole album got me through some very rough days. An online friend insisted I listen tho I proclaimed my hatred of country … until I heard them!

ah … big smile here

Fini, if the Saints face the Colts in the Super Bowl, who do you think Archie Manning will be rooting for? For a little taste of what it is like here, check out local blogger Oyster.

Even during the regular season, even if you didn’t watch the game, on Monday you can always tell whether the Saints won or lost, just from how the people are acting.

The Saints give people here hope … hope that things will get better. The Saints bring joy to what is (often) an otherwise miserable existence. And yes, they do bring folks together here, more than anything else that comes to mind.

Love isn’t real, it’s a dream, a fairy tale.

Read “WE” by Robert Johnson http://www.spiritsite.com/writing/robjoh/buy.shtml

and then you can have love that’s about your partner, not about you.

Siun @ 173

Fini … thank you so much! what a treat!

It really is one of my all time favorites. And that whole album got me through some very rough days. An online friend insisted I listen tho I proclaimed my hatred of country … until I heard them!

ah … big smile here

Yeah they kind of changed what you could think of country if you liked well done music. They gave me a reason to pay attention to country artists. Now I’m hooked on a bunch of what they call Alt Country these days. Highway 101 and Dixie Chicks and others kind of lead the genre. Steve Earle for another example. My fav would be BR549.

Eureka … found some Cat Power on Youtube – very nice indeed! I’ll have to explore her work some more! thanks!

What is the band name? I got the bridge across forever…
The nap link took me to the home page. Does one have to register to try napster?

Close your eyes

Valley Girl,

I will avoid the Zig. The same sort of uproar happened here when a few League players moved to Union, which now has its act together and has real money to offer. I say anybody in a body contact sport deserves as much money as they can attract. It’ll pay for the medical treatments when they retire.

BR549 … taking notes here

I should mention that the same friend indoctrinated me into Nascar … friends were rather worried about me at the time … Highway 101 blasting in the car and talk of Darrel Waltrip … Laughing … still love both.

(and the friendship began because we both adored Roger Norrington’s recordings of Beethoven so go figure)

AirportCat @ 174

Fini, if the Saints face the Colts in the Super Bowl, who do you think Archie Manning will be rooting for? For a little taste of what it is like here, check out local blogger Oyster.

Even during the regular season, even if you didn’t watch the game, on Monday you can always tell whether the Saints won or lost, just from how the people are acting.

The Saints give people here hope … hope that things will get better. The Saints bring joy to what is (often) an otherwise miserable existence. And yes, they do bring folks together here, more than anything else that comes to mind.

Although I don’t often listen to NPR these days, I was listening in my car and they did a feature on the “games”. Much as you say, from the interviews with NOLA folks I heard.

AirportCat @ 174

Fini, if the Saints face the Colts in the Super Bowl, who do you think Archie Manning will be rooting for? For a little taste of what it is like here, check out local blogger Oyster.

Even during the regular season, even if you didn’t watch the game, on Monday you can always tell whether the Saints won or lost, just from how the people are acting.

The Saints give people here hope … hope that things will get better. The Saints bring joy to what is (often) an otherwise miserable existence. And yes, they do bring folks together here, more than anything else that comes to mind.

Archie Manning wins either way in that scenario. So does Peyton and Eli and all NOLA residents everywhere. Its a great drama.

I just wish people could come together in the same way without drama of an artificial or natural source. I wish love for humanity was enough to pull people together.

Eureka … the band is Highway 101 …

I didn’t have to sign on to listen but I think it’s free if you register?

Well, having successfully avoided doing anything, you know, constructive all day, I’d better toddle along and do a bit of housework.

Lovely talking to you as always, Valley Girl.

living in Bears country, I have to be careful about my desire to see the Saints win just for NOLA’s sake … it’s getting pretty nuts here as super bowl fever really takes off

Persiflage … hope you play some good music during housework!

Eureka Springs, AR @ 178

What is the band name? I got the bridge across forever…
The nap link took me to the home page. Does one have to register to try napster?

Siun @ 181

BR549 … taking notes here

I should mention that the same friend indoctrinated me into Nascar … friends were rather worried about me at the time … Highway 101 blasting in the car and talk of Darrel Waltrip … Laughing … still love both.

(and the friendship began because we both adored Roger Norrington’s recordings of Beethoven so go figure)

You can download and try Napster for free or buy tracks at $.99 each or a 7 day trial subscription is free. It’s $9.95 per month after the trial unless you want to put tracks on a portable player then its $14.95 per month. I dont have a portable and use the subscription for $9.95 and always have tunes for anything. More than 2 million songs in their catalog.

somewhere i have never travelled, gladly beyond
any experience, your eyes have their silence:
in your most frail gesture are things which enclose me,
or which i cannot touch because they are too near

your slightest look easily will unclose me
though i have closed myself as fingers,
you open always petal by petal myself as Spring opens
(touching skilfully, mysteriously) her first rose

or if your wish be to close me,i and
my life will shut very beautifully,suddenly,
as when the heart of this flower imagines
the snow carefully everywhere descending;

nothing which we are to perceive in this world equals
the power of your intense fragility:whose texture
compels me with the colour of its countries,
rendering death and forever with each breathing

(i do not know what it is about you that closes
and opens;only something in me understands
the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses)
nobody,not even the rain,has such small hands

- e.e. cummings

Siun @ 184

Eureka … the band is Highway 101 …

I didn’t have to sign on to listen but I think it’s free if you register?

You can listen to a track 3 times for free if you register before you have to get a subscription or buy the track.

Kevin … thanks for the e.e.!

Have you read his novel The Enormous Room?

Siun @ 187

Persiflage … hope you play some good music during housework!

Siun,

Nick Cave – The Weeping Song (which I change to the Sweeping Song for housework)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpBiuRNWPT4

Fini .. thank you!

I’ve been a Itunes person and hadn’t figured out Napster … this is great!

Eureka … you’ll have to tell me what you think!

Siun @ 184

Eureka … the band is Highway 101 …

I didn’t have to sign on to listen but I think it’s free if you register?

*chuckling* I just searched for BR5409.

Will try the song manana. I have some photos I want to send Christy for pull up a chair. Don’t know if she will use Venice, Florence but she will enjoy looking at them..) On dial up one has to plan these things in advance.

Persiflage – very apt!

we are certainly running the gamut of genres tonite!

Persiflage @ 192

Siun @ 187

Persiflage … hope you play some good music during housework!

Siun,

Nick Cave – The Weeping Song (which I change to the Sweeping Song for housework)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpBiuRNWPT4

Better version here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=

Now I must sing my sweeping song, but I won’t be sweeping long

well friends … time for me to sleep so I’m awake to see the Mike Stark appearance on Howie’s show …

what a lovely evening with good friends! thanks!

forkush @
155

I usually get strange looks when I say this, but I think that at the center of the great film Fargo is a wonderful love story.

In the midst of all the greed and sickness, Marge Gunderson and her aptly named husband Norm show each other real love in the most mundane ways. She brings him fishing worms and compliments his paintings, he fixes her breakfast before dawn and brings her Arbys.

billie holliday would’ve liked that …..

’twas a fun evening. Lots of loving thoughts for Jane. Be well, pups. See you on the flip.

Persiflage @ 180

Valley Girl,

I will avoid the Zig. The same sort of uproar happened here when a few League players moved to Union, which now has its act together and has real money to offer. I say anybody in a body contact sport deserves as much money as they can attract. It’ll pay for the medical treatments when they retire.

As I recall, at least by my take, the issue was one of pride, and love of one’s country- (Wales or Scotland)- not that makes sense exactly, but the Welsh and the Scots are proud people, and are not too willing to accept “traitorous” ways. Most of the great Welsh rugby players came from South Wales, and grew up in hard times. Closing of the mines, loss of local economy. And, rugby was their solace and comfort, and pure in its way. So, when the idea of defecting for money arose, it was not greeted with enthusiasm. Perhaps I was fortunate to witness a particular era of rugby in Wales, where there were brilliant “amateurs”. But, that was so long ago!

Persiflage @ 192

Siun,

Nick Cave – The Weeping Song (which I change to the Sweeping Song for housework)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpBiuRNWPT4

I’ve seen Nick Cave play that a few times. Can’t recommend one of his shows enough!

john coltrane

w/love

I’m just jumping in here at the end to say hey.

So, Hey!

Have you read his novel The Enormous Room?

Siun: no, never even heard of it. Tell me more.

Love, love is strange
A lot of people take it for a game
Once you get it you never wanna quit
After you’ve had it you’re in a awful fix

Woe-o oh.

Billie! TRex rocks.

First time I’ve seen that performance, dinodog. You’re right – hard to say anything for a while.

I’m going to put on my Billie Holliday CD and think about…… Love being Harmony, Fidelity, and Posterity? Happy Sunday. Here in Portugal it’s a beautiful morning. And good wishes to Jane. My heart is with her. I, too, am a breast cancer surviver.

Wow. This is one of my favorite recordings.

I could have listened to it last night but as a rule I don’t click on blind utube links. I don’t think I’ve ever clicked on one of Atrios’ utube links and not regretted it.

I wish there was a rule that you had to label all utube links.

Oh well, I guess it’s just one of them things about them dang internets.

Good morning, everyone. Love. Wow… Such a small topic, and so easy to get hold of! If I’ve learned anything at all in 61 years is that without enormous patience and tolerance of small irritations (never has a cabinet door or kitchen drawer been closed, ever…) you’re doomed.

The NYT has 3 columnists today. I do apologize for David Brooks, but if you look at him as unpleasant medicine, Nicholas Kristof and Frank Rich will make the bad taste go away.

http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/

There is also an editorial on Sen. Webb being chosen to respond to the SOTU.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01…..amp;emc=th

Today we’re serving up French roast, Columbian decaf and Earl Grey. And because it’s Sunday there are big sticky cinnamon buns…

CNN – 7.3 quake off coast of Indonesia. No tsunami expected

Mornin’ all!

Mornin’ Firedogs,

Pachacutec – trust you are enjoying sweet dreams as I type – goodness gracious, Bille & Lester – yowzzzaaa !

the link is a chez cbl soundtrack – funny, all our kidz wound up getting themselves a copy after years of giving us grief for it’s ‘heavy rotation’

nice selection from various labels – Track# 4 for the Lester fans :)
http://www.amazon.com/Ken-Burn…..66-1886240

Ah, Marion, I was hoping to see you here. Yesterday you mentioned Picasso’s Guernica and wondered about the artists of this war. I thought you might be interested in the work of George Gittoes here :

http://www.gittoes.com/

Bomb explodes on bus in Baghdad; 6 dead

A bomb struck a small bus in Baghdad as it headed to a predominantly Shiite area on Sunday, killing six passengers and wounding 10, police said.

CNN – Chimpy’s SOTU will focus on education, immigration, energy and health care — will only mention Iraq briefly.

I hope he mentions all the progress he has made getting NOLA back on it’s feet.

new thread up

Persiflage @ 213

Ah, Marion, I was hoping to see you here. Yesterday you mentioned Picasso’s Guernica and wondered about the artists of this war. I thought you might be interested in the work of George Gittoes here :

http://www.gittoes.com/

Powerful stuff. Thanks for bring him to my attention.

Since it’s an open invitation to reflect on love, I want to say it’s 5 am on the west coast and another sleepless night for me, reflecting on how I’ll live my servanthood love. This early morning I watched a beautiful lesson on love that I needed and want to share with the FDL folk.

The CW movie was The Vernon Johns Story with James Earl Jones; I don’t know when it was made but I praise God that it was made. Johns was the pastor of Dexter Baptist Church in Montgomery, AL who sewed the seeds that Martin Luther King harvested with the Montgomery bus boycott. Johns was a phenomenal prophetic preacher who risked lynching on more than one occasion and sought to live as a suffering servant, no matter the cost. The racist white judge chose against making him a martyr; I wondered how he felt as King gathered strength in and from the same Dexter Church that had refused to sing “Go Down Moses” with Johns as their boycott quietly and so powerfully proclaimed LET MY PEOPLE GO! as the genesis of the Civil Rights Movement.

Thanks be to God for my sleeplessness that led to viewing that wonderful film. I commend it to all who’d like a lesson on love of a different sort.

Grace and peace to all, and especially for God’s healing for Jane and all others who suffer from cancer and all other afflictions….

Thanks so much for the e e cummings poem!!! Wow!!! What a glorious masterpiece on love!!!

Very interesting NYT bit on marriage trends, or should I say, single trends.

If you have to ask what Love is, then you don’t know. If you want to “know” what love is, you never will, because love is not a thing of logic and analysis and dissection. It is from the heart, and your heart will tell you, what love is.

Heart Brokerage

Love’s distribution is unjust,
one feels naught; one loves too much.
Disparity should make a mart,
in such imbalances of the heart,
a way to mate demand/supply,
the coquette’s laugh and the poet’s sigh.
Throughout the ages some have tried,
with brothels and mail-order brides;
these things answered small niche needs
but have downsides, as we have seen.
Now heart transplants are quite routine
and brothers sometime split kidneys.
If NASA can send golf carts to Mars,
we should be able to trade spare parts
to strap electrodes to two skulls,
match empty hearts to overfull.
The givers might become more wise,
as love’s mirage falls from their eyes;
the getters might become inspired
to find some aspiration higher
than bourgeois comfort and success
and so might they and we be blessed.

Kevin Hayden – in case you are looking:

I’ve just found the Enormous Room online (amazing!)

http://net.lib.byu.edu/~rdh7/w…..roomTC.htm

It’s Cummings’ only novel and quite wondrous – a true favorite here. You might like to look for a print copy with the little sketches Cummings did for it but the tale is luminous.

i just want you to know what a treat that was watching Billie and the boys.

now that was love, one of the most artistic examples i’ve ever seen.

just beautiful.

something else that’s nice

is that we lurkers love all of you here

dam near all of the time. more music talk please.

Jane a koo

*

jane is a concern

for most of us that are here,

please wish her our best