
The trial of Scooter Libby is a story of government officials lying to the American people, smearing those who tried to reveal the truth and then lying further to cover it up. Lawbreaking, smearing opponents and lying seem to be recurring themes of the Bush Administration, but this story may offer hopeful signs of eventual public accountability.
We’ve known about the President's illegal domestic spying program since it was revealed on December 16, 2005 by the New York Times. Rather than deny that the NSA was spying on American citizens without obtaining a warrant from a secret court as required by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA), the President admitted he was not obeying the statute and boasted that he would continue authorizing his renamed "Terrorist Surveillance Program," despite strong arguments by many legal experts that he was authorizing the commission of repeated felonies and violating the Fourth Amendment rights of unknown hundreds of American citizens.
Even though FISA was unequivocal that it was the “exclusive” method by which such surveillance could be lawfully undertaken against Americans, the President and his Attorney General argued to Congress, the public and to federal courts that the warrantless spying program was lawful under the President's executive war powers and implicitly authorized under the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force in response to 9/11. Each of these arguments was rejected by a Federal District Court, which ruled the program unlawful, and the Attorney General's legal arguments were further undermined by the US Supreme Court in the Hamdan decision. But the President persisted, claiming throughout 2006 that the program was both lawful and indispensible to the nation's security and could not possiby be conducted in compliance with the FISA. In the 2006 elections he and Karl Rove tried to use the few Democratic criticisms of his actions as proof that the Democrats were soft on terrorism.
That was then. Now we have a Democratic Congress and Patrick Leahy instead of Arlen Specter as Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. On Thursday, Attorney General Gonzales had to appear before a new Democratic Chairman with subpoena power who is deeply opposed to the President's unlawful actions. And Gonzales knew that the arguments on appeal of the District Court decision in the case that ruled the program illegal are only two weeks away.
On Wednesday, the AP reported that Attorney General Gonzales sent a letter to Senator Leahy, the new Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Senator Specter, the Committee's Ranking Minority Member, informing them that the President would no longer reauthorize his "Terrorist Surveillance Program" but would instead conduct such surveillance pursuant to orders issued by the FISA Court. From Gonzales' letter:
As a consequence of these orders, any electronic surveillance that was occurring as part of the Terrorist Surveillance Program will now be conducted subject to the approval of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
Glenn Greenwald has written here and here on the meaning of this apparent turnaround, and Marty Lederman, who is quoted extensively in this Boston Globe story adds more questions. Glenn and Marty note the frequent claims, now proven false, by the President, the President's men (especially former NSA head and now CIA Director Hayden) and the President's attorneys about how it would be impossible to undertake the necessary surveillance if NSA had to comply with the FISA and how the nation's security would be compromised if they were forced to obey the law — all statements that are now inoperative. A key question is whether the new FISA Court orders are blanket authorizations or a process for obtaining individual authorizations/warrants, as the Constitution seems to require. And it remains to be seen whether Gonzales’ transparently preemptive action will be successful in rendering moot the federal case now awaiting appeal. Glenn concludes:
There is no repentance here, nor (more importantly) is there any rescission of their claimed powers of lawbreaking. Quite the contrary. Gonazles' letter affirms, as one would expect, their belief that they were legally entitled to violate this law. That means (a) that they can violate it again at any future point when they want to, (b) they can violate other laws under the same theories, and (c) whatever other lawbreaking is already occurring as a result of those theories is not going to stop.This "reversal" merely proves what we already knew — that there was never any legitimate reason to violate FISA in the first place, and that all of the claims about how they had to in order to stop The Terrorists were complete fiction (claims which, just incidentally, they tried to use to win the last election; if you wanted to make them comply with FISA, it meant that you loved the Terrorists).
They have been doing this all along. Every time they are about to face consequences for their conduct, they stop doing what they are doing and find another way. When the Supreme Court was about to rule on the legality of their detention of Jose Padilla, they transferred him to a criminal court and finally charged him, then told the court that the questions were "moot." When the Supreme Court in Hamdan ordered them to give Hadman [sic?] (a U.S. citizen) a venue to charge him with a crime and prove his guilt, they simply let This Extremely Dangerous Terrorist go free instead of charging him. . . .
This is what they do and how they always operate. They have not conceded anything and they have certainly not done anything which mitigates their lawbreaking — their crimes — over the past five years with regard to eavesdropping without warrants.
I suspect NYT reporter Eric Lichtblau, who with James Risen first reported the illegal program in December 2005, and who was threatened by DoJ investigations and vilified by the White House, Congressional Republicans and rightwing pundits who insinuated they had damaged national security, was smiling a bit when he and David Johnston wrote the follow up story yesterday. But justice is not done yet.
UPDATE: In today’s NYT, Adam Liptak has a take on Gonzales’ legal strategy. He quotes an ACLU attorney on the case now on appeal: “It’s another clear example of the government playing a shell game to avoid accountability and judicial scrutiny.”
UPDATE 2: Commenter twolf1 provides a link to a video of Senator Feingold’s questioning of Gonzales on his prior statements.
UPDATE 3: Commenter bourbonjockey finds links to Fox News and Republicans questioning the patriotism of NYT reporters: see comments 96 and 114.
Related posts:
- Warrantless Wiretapping: Vaughn Walker’s Chess Game
- CIA Inspector General Report on Warrantless Surveillance Released
- Bush’s Info Sharing Memo Timed to Match Warrantless Wiretap Revelations
- Holder Refuses to Stand by Statements Saying Violating FISA Breaks the Law
- Brennan Provides Gonzales-Like Obfuscation on Illegal Surveillance Program





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Will their unlawful behavior be pursued or will their strategy let them slide.. only to repeat their unlawful behavior in some other situation?
Why is no wrong doing held accountable? … or so little of it? Isn’t our system broken for this reason?
Good morning, gang. A little warmer today in Boston area.
…a dusting of snow here in eastern PA, but a little ‘warmer’ than yesterday.
This is starting to get really, really good! Great reporting Scarecrow; keep ‘em comin’ !!!
johnSwifty – thanks, but Glenn and Marty did all the heavy lifting on this — as they did for many months. And I hope fdl commenter Prof shows up; through many comments he and other attorneys here gave us a grad seminar in Constitutional Law to help us sort out the legal arguments. Lots of great coverage in Glenn’s archives.
I was hoping to gather a set of quotes by Bush and his Press Sec and Repub Senators et al about how the Times should be prosecuted/investigated and how Lichtblau/Risen were traitors, but I didn’t get to it. So if folks run across any of those, please link them here and I’ll add an update. That’s an important piece of the history.
It seems the administration’s argument is tantamount to, “We’re not doing it anymore, so the point is moot.” As if a law that was broken by the administration has some special, temporal leniency. I wish it applied to me, “I used to rob banks, but I gave it up for Lent, so don’t bother me about that anymore.”
Wow. It’s all going to come crashing down. I’ve got the popcorn and the herb. This is going to be a great year. We’ve got a big storm coming here in Abq, New Mexico. So I’m just hunkering down for the weekend and reading my daily dose of FDL. I wish I had half the writing skill as some of the more prominent authors on this site.
morning all… coffee just finished brewing – anyone?
Gonzo gives me the creeps.
Scarecrow @ 8
Props to Glenn and Marty, of course. But there’s only so much time in the day and I really do appreciate being able to count on yourself and FDL for a good synopsis and multiple source links to almost any given issue!
johnSwifty @ 8
That’s the argument; in fact on the PBS Newshour last night a Bush apologist was making the same argument: “you liberals wanted bush to use the FISA court and he’s agreed. Why aren’t you liberals happy?”
DeafByPills — that storm sounds nasty; my sister is building a straw bale house near Quemado, west of Socorro near the Arizona border, so she’ll probably get hit too.
What exactly changed and why did it take so long?
A bit off topic, but from the WAPO today:
Wallace: “By taking the policy you have, haven’t you, Mr. Vice President, ignored the express will of the American people in the November election?”
The vice president: “Well, Chris, this president, and I don’t think any president worth his salt, can afford to make decisions of this magnitude according to the polls. The polls change day by day.”
Wallace: “This was an election, sir.”
The vice president: “Polls change day by day, week by week.”
Yikes. If he shows this contempt when grilled
by Fitzy, he may face perjury/obstruction charges. He is delusional…
Jack
Is he appearing under oath this time around?
rumi @ 14
I think Gonzo is running scared:
@ 13
Yeah, the storm is pretty nasty. But I’ll tell you something. This probably will not be anything compared to that huge storm we had at the end of December. We got a record breaking 16 inches, in the middle of a desert region. It shut down I-40 for a few days, and I think the freeway was backed up all the way from the Tx border to Abq. A lot of people were stuck there new year’s eve. When compared to that nasty storm, I don’t think it’ll be too bad. I did buy an inverter for the car (cheaper than buying a generator) so I won’t have to worry too much about not having heat. The good thing about storms is that it gives me more time to spend w/ the midget and read stuff. :)
Just had my second Dunkin coffee…
News flash:
Dunkin just opened up their first store in Taiwan…
“If you don’t buy your coffee there, they will deliver the coffee here….!
Jack
rumi @ 13
NYT Adam Liptak has a take on the shifting legal strategy — picking up on the points Glenn makes. They just keep trying to dodge judical accountability.
I called Senator Leahy’s DC office and asked for one question to Abu Gonzales:
“Were ANY Democrats the target of the NSA spying AND/OR were ANY Senators or Congresspersons the target of spying?”
Curious how Specter seemed to be slightly more aggressive as Leahey’s junior than as chair. Then again, he’s the one who transcribed the DoJ’s clause to begin the purge of US Attorneys, proving yet again that he’s a double-dealing b’stard.
It’s looking pretty clear that Abu G tapped up the most pliant FISC judge to write a blanket order. If anything, that should be more worrying than treating the court framework as if it didn’t matter. It should remind us of earlier critiques of the FISA framework, given that it employs a secret court with limited oversight. On the one hand, you’ll defend a bad system over no system at all; on the other hand, that shouldn’t blinker us to the faults of the FISC.
Quick addition:
they simply let This Extremely Dangerous Terrorist go free instead of charging him. . . .
Don’t forget that they did one thing: as part of the deal releasing Hamdan, he renounced his US citizenship.
pseudo – seems like Specter always like to make a lot of fierce sounding noises and then just collapses like origami before the admin in a breath…
A few times he has looked genuinely scared but his overall language is still defiant. He represents the BushCo attitude of not having any equal peers. They claim this authority by national defense/security but we know that’s not good enough. When he tells an oversight committee that his branch is happy to ‘consult with’ or ‘educate’ the comm, he still says it with confidence. Their foundation was built on the conservative machine headed by ‘think-tank thugs’ and their lackeys.
OldCoastie @ 22
This still goes back to the NSA spying… what shit do they have on him or his family?
The ones who talk with bluster then fold when it counts, what is it that BushCo uses to force this?
OldCoastie @ 23
But it’s not just that. There are plenty of GOPpers who are all mouth and no trousers, but Specter doesn’t just throw up his hands and comply; he actively enables them under the guise of independence. The clause to purge the US attorneys? Inserted in conference by Specter. The amendment to ’save’ habeas by gutting it? Proposed by Specter.
pseudonymous in nc @ 21
We don’t really know yet. Gonzales would not answer questions about the FISA court orders at yesterdays hearings; apparently, some members of the intelligence committees have been briefed. I thought I read somewhere that Heather Wilson said it was a blanket order?
katymine – no doubt he’s compromised… you wonder how far it goes back? he’s always been a man of the “company line”
This may have been discusssed, but … I’ve read where many have the understanding that the FISA court has basically ‘rubberstamped’ Bush’s policy on wiretapping. In other words, wiretapping without individual warrents will continue and what the judge did was a blanket warrent. Am I misreading things??
To be honest, I’m skeptical. We’re taking their word that they’re complying. Is there any way to verify it?
presque vu at 16 — Yes, that was awfully fun yesterday. *g*
Oh…morning gang. Scarecrow, bless his heart, volunteered to be first at the post today so I could sleep in a little and, miracle of miracles, the Peanut slept in a little as well. Woo hoo, a whole extra hour of sleep!
for those that missed it – Senator Feingold Questions Att. General Gonzales
Good morning gang.
Scarecrow @ 20
That was a point of contention in the hearing, too. The admin made that announcement, the committee(Leahy) wanted to see the judge’s decisions, the judge is named elsewhere and offered the papers based on AG giving approval which AG didn’t recognize.
I think that’s when Leahy asked if this was an Alice In Wonderland moment.
The Leahy, Arar, AG battle is on c-span 2 now.
‘morning, Pach – hellava job you did yesterday…
OC at 36 – I’ll second that. Pach has done fantastic work all week. Kudos, my friend. (And, incidentally, if you get a chance today, let’s talk press pass logistics so I know what I’m getting into next week?)
christine @ 28
There are two different issues here. (1) Has the FISA court been too compliant in the past? –we can’t tell, because we don’t know the secret details of any of the cases and the decisions. All we know is that the Court turned down Administration requests for warrants in only a tiny handful of cases — when they were using the court. That may suggest a compliant court, or it may suggest the Administration was being careful in the requests it made — i.e., the system was working. There were stories last year that the Administration thought it wouldnt be able to get warrants, and so went outside the court. There was also a story of a FISA judge resigning. But all are bound to secrecy because of the classified information they deal with, so we don’t know all the facts.
(2) Were the orders given recently “blanket” or were they a process for obtaining individual orders? We don’t know.
Pachacutec @ 33
Great job this week, Pach.
Look at that Gonzalez–he’s such a cute little feller. He can’t be evil. Disney taught me that you have to be physically ugly to be evil. Or possibly you could be beautiful, but have some telltale marker that makes it a disturbing kind of beauty. But you can’t be *cute*.
Excuse me, I think I felt some of my circuits frying…
Solai @
30
The letter is evidence of furtive behavoir and additional obfuscation — it does not show even a willingness to comply with FISA. I do not see anything in that letter to indicate that they are currently complying with FISA.
To answer your question: NO. There is no process in place, yet, to prevent further violations of the FISA statute’s criminal provisions put in place to protect innocent U.S. citizens from these secretive constitutional violations.
cl
Pach, I hope the Peanut isn’t the only one getting a good night’s sleep. Great job yesterday, and I hope the Safe House finger masseuse is taking good care of you.
Scarecrow — great post. And I wonder how long it will take the Bush Administration, if ever, to realize that they do not have unilateral executive powers? I’m leaning toward “never,” given how hard Cheney has worked to stock the White House pond with lawyers who feed them that sort of advice — heaven forbid someone who reads the rule of law, the Constitution and the Federalist Papers should be allowe within 100 feet of this White House.
Glad to hear you got an extra hour of sleep, Christy. I’ve started awakening a full hour early this week on the west coast to read what’s happening on the east coast. No alarm clock needed ;)
Reminds me of past summertimes getting up before sunrise to watch Lance Armstrong live in the TDF.
Repeat from the thread below:
The problem is not an activist Judiciary, it is an activist Executive Branch.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
kinda makes you wonder what sin Harriet Miers committed…
Thanks, gang.
Today, it’s back to my real job. What a lot of email!
christine (28), scarecrow (38) — look at the composition of the FISA court.
Nearly all of them have been appointed since the Bush Adminstration took office; only one remains from the Clinton Admin.
The potential for rubber stamping is enormous at this point. I wonder if this isn’t also part of the strategy; are the Bushies thinking that it will take months to hash this out, by which time the last remaining pre-Bush FISA court judge will be off FISA?
Hi guys…
Good day. Delivered supplies. One surgery, successful.
Boris is out of the hospital, will need prosthetic feet because of loss of circulation during his sepsis. But otherwise ok.
Glad Jane’s procedure went ok. I tend to think of surgery as a good thing…kind of a minority opinion.
Hope you got my fdl donation, it was done on the way out the door. Smooches.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
I’ll buy “never,” especially when you add in the efforts to rid the national pond of US Attorneys that seem to be a bit too independent and agressive in going after public corruption. Feinstein’s taken a pass on some of the Bush nonsense, but I don’t think she’s going to let go of that one.
Peterr – I’m rooting for DiFi on this one… she looked pretty mad the other day… she may well get something done.
Interesting quotes at the end of the Liptak article, on whether the Senate Judiciary Committee might be able to see the recent FISA court orders:
I’d bet a letter from Senator Leahy is on the way.
Hey Pach — wanted to let you know I think your presence and your efforts have already had a profound effect on MSM coverage. I sense a level of sensitivity to detail we haven’t seen before in traditional media coverage.
Jake Tapper covered the jury trial selection on Nightline last night; the details about the jurors was nearly as good as your live blogging, and in some ways highly complementary because of the details included. Somebody at ABC was scrambling to do research…
Can you think of a time when the public could learn this much from traditional media about multiple potential jurors who were dismissed, versus jurors that were actually selected, or be assured of the quality and depth of coverage? I certainly can’t; I think the media finally feels the hot breath of bloggers and their readers on their necks.
Christy — “never” seems about right. These guys would self destruct before admitting they’re wrong.
Thanks again Pach for the excellent insight you’ve been giving us into the process. It’s like being there, only quieter. I saw where an article mentioned the judge and prosecution getting back before defense and Fitz went to the podium and joked ‘this should go faster now’ while looking at the empty defense table.
bits and pieces everywhere.
One thing I’ve learned about BushCo is that when they admit to it, it’s too late.
The answer (inmo) is in the appointment of Michael McConnell as head of the 16 agencies. He is exNSA that rolled into the private sector that received contracts to develop the ‘data-veillance’ tools and now will oversee their use in the govt sector.
The issue with FISA wasn’t a valid warrant when needed. It was using these other tools illegally to develop the evidence to obtain the warrant that FISA usually objected to, with BushCo.
rumi @ 14
Lamont won the primary, showing we could win for real. The rest is history.
The response of the Bush administration reminds me of the “hakuna matata” theme in the Lion King (speaking of Disney). Hey, don’t worry about it–we did that stuff in the past…
Sounds like a plan. We need to take away their stick.
Rayne — I agree. Pach is likely affecting the MSM. Glenn Greenwald’s two posts seem to be the basis for Adam Liptak’s NYT article. Are the “dirty hippies” gone?
Scarecrow @ 52
Dear Abu-Alice,
Scarecrow @ 58
nah -we will always be the dirty hippies, ‘cept now they will wear tie-dye and call it “wall street”…
OT: Just catching up from yesterday, so belatedly got the notice to send my pennies to FDL. Done. A reminder to anyone else who might have missed yesterday’s request–doggies want $.
What’s the origin of the “dirty hippies” meme?
Rayne @ 48
Another thing I was thinking, what is the possiblity that the Administration has gotten the necessary hardware/software set up in a ‘neutral’ country and can do what they want off US soil??
(I mean with respect to bloggers, by the way, not what’s the original origin.)
I saw a bit of the hearing replay this morning.
Gonzalez was predictably unruffled, but jeez it was sweet to see Feingold lay him out on on some of the outrageous statements he made prior to the elections.
It is beyond my wildest imagination that the Attorney General of the United States could utter such inflammatory statements, accusing all who opposed the program of aiding and abetting the terrorists.
In the pedestrian world, if he were a defense attorney, his clients, the American people, would have a slam-dunk case to have him fired and disbarred for blatant malpractice.
christine (63) — oh, certainly that’s a real option.
I think this is the kind of question we should put to a wider blogging audience with technical background, like that on Slashdot. Maybe pose the question: If you were going to park a massive monitoring system offshore, where would you put it? And do you know of any outfit that’s made massive storage and processing buys recently (besides Google)?
Who would have thought that George Bush’s life long strategy of avoiding accountability would become the overriding strategy for his Administration? Republicans, you’ve done a heck of a job.
Pach,
Wonderful job…
One quick question: Can the potential jurors who
made it through Round 1 — can they read
blogs like FDL or are they told not too?
Jack
mandrake @ 65
Yep. Or high crimes and misdemeanors?
Re Feingold’s questions, I’d like to have a link if there is one.
Scarecrow @
69
-there’s a link to the video at comment #33
Bay State Librul @ 68
Forbidden. Verboten. No news coverage, from print media, radio, TV or Internet. In fact, Walton told them to stay off the Internet entirely. I took that as a bit of a compliment, but thought a Snoopy Dance in open court might not go down well.
report on MSNBC – Jordan now wants nukes.
OldCoastie @ 72
Glad to see that Middle East stabilization plan is working out so well.
Maybe this Congress will think twice about little things like this
OldCoastie @ 72
Michael Jordan? ;)
Pachacutec @ 71
Thanks. Will Gonzales be wire-taping them?
Jack
Mack @ 73
You assume they thought once.
LMAO.
I remember Nixon’s venomous AG John Mitchell, and his brassy wife (murdered, incidentally, for mentioning a little too much in public). This stuff has been going on for a long time. The Right/Republican Party…it’s what they do. Gonzo is just a little cuter and stupider than Mitchell, but every bit as corrupt, his intentions every bit as evil.
Another proposed mem
NeoCon is really inaccurate.
These guys are NeoAnarchists.
Destroy the opposition’s order and Democracy will flower. The problem is that it’s a Turd blossem.
for those who missed it yesterday, c-span2 is now repeating the end of yesterday’s hearing. leahy is right now getting ready to rip gonzales for detainee treatment.
twolf1 @ 70
Oops, I missed that. Thanks much twolf1. I’ll add an update on the front page.
Bay State at 68 — Potential jurors will have been instructed not to read any media coverage regarding any aspect of the trial, and that would include blogs. No coverage means no coverage. Period. The judge will be very strict about this — because outside information ought not to effect proceedings. The decisions made by the jury for trial have to be made based on the information put on the record over the course of the trial: witness testimony, documentary and other physical evidence; expert opinion testimony, legal arguments, etc. This is so that any appeal taken at a later date from a rendered verdict is only taken based on the trial itself.
I’d describe it as follows: you can bring your common sense into the jury room — you do not check your brain or your understanding of the world at the courthouse door. This means whatever knowledge you have going into the trial from the experiences that you have had in your life goes into how you think about the evidence presented and the arguments made by all sides of this case. But you are not to go digging around to find extra evidence to supplement your understanding in these proceedings. Your deliberations must flow from the information you are given in this courtroom and from no outside source. This is what ensures fairness to both sides — to the prosecutor and the defendant — and it makes certain that every juror starts on the same footing with regard to the facts of the case, no matter what knowledge they may bring to the table from their lives and their jobs.
(Hmmmmm…maybe I should elevate this to a post and elaborate a bit more. That could be helpful for folks who haven’t dealt with a trial process before. What do you guys think?)
The despicable thing about Gonzales is that he thinks he is Bush’s lawyer, instead of the lawyer for the American People. He treats an entire cabinet department as if it were house counsel for the administration.
Colleen Kollar-Kotelly seemed like a straight-shooter when she presided over the MSFT anti-trust case back in the day. I can’t find any reference to which judge issued the order, though she doesn’t claim ownership to it in her letter saying she has no objection to it being released.
Re: CSPAN replay – lol, i didnt hear the hecklers before — yelling as Abu was leaving
OldCoastie @ 72
With our warmongering, hypocrisy and development of new shiny armaments, who can blame them?
I don’t.
;(
Christie@82
“..maybe I should elevate this to a post and elaborate a bit more”
Yes, please do! Will this jury be sequestered? I’ve always wondered how people can keep themselves from being exposed to the news without locking themselves in a room :)
Mornin’ Firedogs,
hurray for sleepy Peanuts !
another sterling post scarecrow – my, my, my
was Abu sworn in prior to prevarication ??
Pach’s live blogging:
“I understand the business. I hear it: to have
an open ear, a quick eye, and a nimble hand is
necessary.”
The Winter’s Tale, IV.iv
twolf1 @ 33
I see’d it this morning. It was most gratifying to watch!
BTW, I loved the Scottie Fold vid! I was babbling and cooing at the screen like a drooling infant! Feel free to re-post it any time!
Rayne @ 66
Dubai?
Sealand?
Welcome to Sealand. Now Bugger Off.
I should also mention that selise and others did a fine job live-blogging the Senate Judiciary Hearing hearing yesterday. Those comments are on yesterday morning’s early thread. Thanks.
CNN – Bob Ney sentenced… 30 months in prison
So can we impeach him for this too? Oh wait, I forgot, nobody in Congress has any cajones.
angie @ 86
Guess we’ll have to add them to our ever-growing list of baddies since nobody can have nukes but us and Isreal.
Scarecrow @ 8 –
here’s two quotes … i’ll see if i can dig up more. great job, btw!!
http://www.goverup.com/?p=340
Santorum: My basis is that these are programs that were important for us to be able to confront an enemy in time of war and when people leak that kind of information to me that is traitorous activity…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00867.html
“There’s a tone of gleeful relish in the way they talk about dragging reporters before grand juries, their appetite for withholding information, and the hints that reporters who look too hard into the public’s business risk being branded traitors,” said New York Times Executive Editor Bill Keller …”
Nuts, I can’t find the Judiciary committee on C-SPAN, only prep before House begins and Senate floor.
That YouTube link posted up thread is remarkable; I cannot believe the hubris masquerading as stupidity, wrapped up in Gonzales’ head.
They knew what they were going to do; they had plans in advance, bought the equipment/services, tapped into our communications. This took more than ample time for them to prepare and submit documentation to FISA review. Absolutely NO excuse is acceptable here, none. Abu is lying right to Leahy under oath in that clip, trying to weasel his way around or through the lie. I believe that some of the grounds we have to impeach Abu G. is right there in that YouTube clip.
What I want to know: How do we begin impeachment proceedings against Abu G.?
For anyone considering sending Jane flowers, or something else, I’d invite you to read this post first A Humble Request
FDL has frequently requested donations for candidates and causes other than FDL. This is the first I recall directly on behalf of FDL.
pseudonymous in nc @
84
In the video that twolf1 linked to, Gonzales refers to the judge who issued the orders as “he.”
John at 98 — Thanks. And Jane canot receive flowers right now, anyway — they’ve put her in the ICU for a bit as a post-op precaution, so even if they are sent, she won’t be able to get them for a while. Just FYI everyone.
And the Hill speaketh:
“I am cursed with the responsibility gene,” she said archly. I am. I admit to that. You’ve got to be very careful in how you proceed with any combat situation in which American lives are at stake.”
I feel so ‘mush’ better now. Now that I fully realize Hillary has a handle on things. Hail the Hill!
Morning cbl — I believe Mr. Gonzales was sworn in. It helps focus the mind.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 82
It’d definitely be a good post, as we approach the final instructions to the jury and the actual deliberations. In fact, there may be a few minutes while the jury is deliberating that you’ll need to fill with something while we wait. (Just guessing that live-blogging the deliberations would not be allowed – kind of like Pach’s Snoopy Dance in open court.) ;)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 101
We meant to hide that quote from you OK. But I think this means she’s responsible for her vote authorizing Bush to go to war. No?
A Really Good Reason to Call Dick, Part Two
Buy Anatomy of Deceit on Amazon
Buy Anatomy of Deceit from my local indy bookstore
18 January 2007
by emptywheel
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David Shuster is stumped. Is it possible, he asks, that a witness will contradict Dick’s testimony?
Shuster goes on to say there is no hint of such a witness in all the filings.
[…]
bourbonjockey — many thanks for the links. I’d forgotten about Santorum.
“You knew Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in high school. At least I did. They were candidates in the student senate election. She was the worthy but puffed-up Miss Perfect, all poodle skirts and multicolored binders clutched to her chest. He was the lanky, mysterious transfer student—from Hawaii by way of Indonesia no less—who Knew Things and was way too cool to carry more than one book at a time. Who would be leader of the pack?”
“Hillary thought she had the thing wired through sheer hard work and a certain earnest charm. She had filled out 3×5 cards about each student, mimeographed position papers on the graffiti problem, traded in her thick glasses for those new-fangled contacts and, of course, pulled down straight A’s in all the AP classes.”
“As she saw it, she had outmaneuvered all of those big-talking boys who loved to hear the sound of their own voices (think Joe Biden, Chris Dodd and John Kerry). There was that handsome John Edwards to contend with, and he was as industrious as she was, but he was too handsome, and she assumed that she was tougher than he was. Besides, she had convinced that cute Evan Bayh to be her junior-prom date and escort her to the assembly in the auditorium.”
“Then Obama showed up. He was new, he was smooth, he was skinny, he was smart, but not in-your-face about it. The girls flocked to him, of course—that grin!—but so did the guys, because he had Game. His promised to Change Everything, and yet there was something calming about him—but also something that told you he might fade away as quickly as he materialized.”
John at 105 — I haven’t read EW’s post as yet, but I’m assuming the name Cathie Martin comes up momentarily. Just for starters?
rumi — oh man, I forgot about Sealand! Wow, that article takes me back to happier days, when I couldn’t imagine the need for the kinds of services a place like Sealand offers, except for the criminal element…
Oh, wait…
I keep saying this and it is very important;
we have to frame the discussion in practical terms instead legal terms
instead of ‘it violates the constitution”, or “against our civil rights” we need to make it hurt
we have to say things like ” we need to make sure important information isn’t stolen from us, we need to know our bussiness contacts, secrets and agreements are safe from theifs”
and
“I want someone to look and make sure they are trying to get information important to security instead of information important to their bank account”
I’m TELLING you, we put it that way and NOBODY will be able to argue against our point
I did not want to call out Shuster in a big way, whose reporting on this over the life of the story has been superb,. . . but I disagree with his reported observation that yesterday, in the instance he cites, was the first time the defense asked a hypothetical question about other witness testimony contradicting Cheney. There were others, and David might have missed them when he was outside doing his live news updates every half hour. I shared my perception on this with David in person.
Still, his larger point is salient: Cheney seems likely to be contradicted. By whom? Emptywheel says a good candidate is Cathie Martin, who was involved in the conversation in flight with Cheney and Libby that immediately preceded the calls from Libby about Plame.
Having said all that, I give Shuster mad props for going with a storyline that was unique, not a product of the organic consensus in the room, and sticking to his observations and impressions. I think that very quality is what has made him so effective on this story.
Thanks Scarecow !
missed everything but the waiting room threads yesterday
emphasis cbl
then for once, I am glad a Fed Statute/Section is virtually boundless -
http://library.findlaw.com/2004/May/11/147945.htm
Scarecrow @ 104
Tee-hee. ;)
Scarecrow @ 104
yer welcome … santorum was always good for a laugh. here’s a fun one from faux news on how the leak would affect the market.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..a-traitor/
But Fox News host Brenda Butler disagreed, saying that Wall Street would “not going to let some puny, little traitor, some leaker who went ahead and compromised our national security, take down this, take down our market, take down our country.”
Scarecrow @ 102
indeed he was sworn in… although later in the hearing he said that he thought the legal requirements were the same – w/ and w/o swearing in.
for anyone who missed the hearing on c-span, and still wants to give it a listen… if c-span doesn’t post the video on their archive – i recorded the audio of the hearing yesterday from the committee webcast. since it was the committee’s webcast (and not c-span), i don’t think it would be violating any copyright rules to share it. so, if you want the mp3, email me at – speakeasy – dot – net and i’ll post it and email you the link.
perris at 110 is waiting moderation…not one curse, no links, hmmmm…filters are a little harsh today
so, some woman in CO delivered some dog poop to Marilyn Musgrave’s office and has been arrested.
for the life of me, I can’t figure out what she’s been charged with.
perris @
116
i see your 110
when 110 comes out of moderation could someone tell me what triggered the filter?
I can’t figure it out
twolf1 @ 118
aha
I wonder what triggered the filter in the first place
perris @ 120
most likely the magical spam fairies
gilding the lilly is an actual crime in Colorado:)
twolf1 @
121
I always look for words that appear in the spam that shows up in my emailbox every day. I try to steer clear of sounding like that Nigerian businessman who wants to send his money to you . . .
OldCoastie @ 117
“use of a noxious substance.” Never knew that was a crime.
Scarecrow – Here’s arlen questioning gonzo
OldCoastie @ 117
OldCoastie -
Oh, thank you for giving me a vast chuckle this morning!
Ensz, a Democrat, was angered by repeatedly receiving mailings from Musgrave, a Republican whom she does not like. She decided to vent her frustration by packaging and presenting the feces, according to court filings.
Sounds like a classic case of what goes ’round comes ’round *g*
Mack @
73
Have you read this?
http://www.worldtribune.com/wo…..77778.html
I would think Musgrave’s mailings could be considered “noxious”.
Connieh @ 124
I’m on the side of prosecuting this one guys, I don’t think anyone should worry about opening a letter of feces, I don’t care which side of the fence you’re on, sorry
Badwater @
67
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011807J.shtml
twolf1 @
125
Thanks. Listening to the Q&A wrt to signing statements . . . and habeas corpus.
pelosi live on CSPAN2 – dem agenda & SOTU address
Reid on now – at the Nat. Press Club
perris @ 129
Ditto.
Poopy vandalism, I’m sure.
twolf1 @ 6
We got a couple of inches and a glaze of ice. Outdoors it still looks like a winter wonderland. By this afternoon everything will be slush.
Christy Hardin Smith @
108
Oh please oh please oh please.
dab from CT @ 135
we didn’t get enough to make slush. Where the sun has hit, the snow is gone and pavement is dry.
OT – Ex-Ohio Rep. Ney sentenced to 30 months
speaking of weather and global warming, here’s hoping that our European friends are all ok…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..rope_storm
I really did not know that this was a crime…I sure would not like to be on the receiving end and there are probably many more creative ways to say your mailings are s@#t.
Rayne @ 109
Another place is Nauru. ‘Course, it’s all cleaned up now. ‘Course it is! Our good friend John Howard is looking after that.
Connieh @ 140
I can’t imagine it’s not a crime and if there is nothing to charge a person with there should be
are poo flags illegal?
Christy has a NEW THREAD upstairs.
twolf1 @ 143
I like those poo flags!
Well, at least we know the govt is taking all precautions by opening our mail illegally to protect us from this sort of shit.
OldCoastie @ 117
Returning the crime to the scene?
angie @ 139
I’ve just dashed off an email to my Dutch colleagues, but I’m guessing I won’t hear anything right away.
perris @ 129
Ultimately, I agree, but that isn’t going to keep me from having some good clean fun at Musgrave’s expense.
Rayne @ 66
Sorry to take so long to reply – work…
Yes, I agree that another forum may be a better place to ask this. But, as a mainframe programmer myself, I know that it wouldn’t take a whole lot to do it. Especially with satellite technology. Servers are getting more powerful by the day, as are mainframes. In case you don’t know, many of the on-line gaming sites have to use mainframes to manage the traffic (volume). Then there’s the servers that are used, and are backups, for places like ebay and netflex. So trying to figure out by finding an outfit that’s bought volume hardware will be extremely tricky, because it’s so common.
Wow – what an experience you are having, Pach.
And as, I think, Christy pointed out yesterday, I hope the media has a new found respect for bloggers and the type of reporting, insight and commentary some of the top liberal blogs provide.
Kudos to you.
(P.S. Does anyone know how Jane is doing this morning?)
christine @ 150
Wouldn’t it be easier to just access each entity’s database(archives) when needed and save that accumulated information as a profile for future use?
Wonder what fired NSA employee/willing whistleblower Russell Tice is up to these days?
He was basically shunned by the rubber stampers in the wiretap hearings last spring.
rumi @ 152
Actually, it would be a whole lot easier to just do a data xfer on T3 lines. When the credit card info collection bs started up with the Homeland Security Act, most of us programmer types were saying that the CR companies were supposed to scrub their data of ‘identifing info’ most likely wouldn’t happen because it would be ‘too much of an expense’ for the CR companies. The CR companies are most likely doing one of two things: when they create their vault files, they’re just making an extra copy and sending them off to the Pentagon, or second, they gave remote access to their mainframes to the pentagon. The remote access is the scariest option from my point of view.
But, setting up one of these types of operations wouldn’t be conspicious to the outside world. It’d look like a dotcom startup enterprise. Mainframes don’t take up a whole lot of room any more. The mainframe that sent us to the moon fits on an Ipod Nano, or smaller unit now. Serious mainframes talk in terrabytes, not gigabytes and a one terrabyte hard drive is not much bigger than a current laptop machine.
I saw somewhere that Tice wants to testify before the new Congress.
Let’s keep it simple. The roving wiretap was sought as a way to follow a suspect from one communication device to another. At the time, other remarks were made to justify it saying authorities had suspects but no name/ID to match with them. If a contentious plan, like roving wiretaps was a problem, how would something like that work anyway?
‘We want to follow a suspect from one device to another.’
How in the world could they possibly know what the next one is?
‘We know the voice but we don’t have a name’.
Have they been identifying people by scanning all calls for identifiable digital voiceprint match?
Christine – 3rd party data aggregation and brokers would also be a logical source of storage.
twolf1 @
6
Here in El Paso, all schools are closed, many business also, county govt. but not the city, all because tonight we are to experience a “winter storm” of some ice and 1-4 inches of snow.
Having escaped the ice storm that bedeviled most of Texas, we are playing catchup in our attempt to be classed among the big boys.
Makes me hang my head in shame.
Rumi at 155 – True, but they won’t have as complete a profile/record history as the originating entity. Most places are required to hang onto data for a certain period of time, mostly 7 years worth. 3rd party brokers won’t be able to physically store *that* much data, unless they are given a specific list of people to get history on.
3rd party brokers won’t be able to physically store *that* much data, unless they are given a specific list of people to get history on.
Again, keeping it simple. It’s easier to keep all valuable (for profit) information on everyone than it is to pick and choose what might be valuable one day.
Renee in Ohio @
57
Yes we do. For a long time I’ve been hollering that Abu needs to be impeached and his master needs to be indicted.
PoliticalCritic @
94
Cajones are drawers, as in a desk.
Cojones are, well, golden globes.
cbl @
112
Not only that, but back in the pre sentencing guidelines day, you could get 5 years for lying to a fed chicken inspector, and only 2 for committing perjury in or out of fed court.
One of life’s mysteries.
no time to read comments – apologies if noted — did you hear Sen. Leahy on npr? mentioned, with emphasis, that AG Gonzales testified “under oath.”
He.
now back to work, quick!
rumi @ 158
But companies most likely won’t spend the time (cpu, people, etc) to glean the good stuff out that is wanted by the Feds (unless there’s a court order to do so). That’s where remote access or mass data dumps will take place and let the user in question do their own syncsorts. Especially since the Feds item of interest is subject to change on a whim. It can take several hours to set up a really good syncsort to get a very specific set of data.
I think we might be discussing 2 different needs but I would like to hear more about the systems you describe. Regardless of the difference, it’s just an example of the many ways the problem can be approached.
But companies most likely won’t spend the time (cpu, people, etc) to glean the good stuff out that is wanted by the Feds (unless there’s a court order to do so).
This is part of how we might be looking at it differently. I see the companies aggregating all of our data and using it for profit. This is also what is valuable to LE at one time or another. The biggest threat is the unregulated private intel/security industry that does this without any accountability to use or error.
rumi @ 164
Yeah, I think we are talking about 2 different things now.
Yes, companies will do some aggrigate roll ups on individual clients, stores, and/or items in order for inventory control and what you the customer has purchased before. I can see this getting complicated…. Let’s take Acme Department Store (and I’m going to presume that most places work generally in a similar manner). A report will be generated each day talling how many widgets were sold for the day, by day, by store location, by state, and by sales person. This info will be contained in a flat file and kept for a short period of time, but there’s no way to trace anyone off of this data, it’s just inventory numbers. The file will be rolled up into a day to week file and a weekly file with these stats will be put out. Same for a week to month file, and a month to year file. There wouldn’t be anything that would lead to any particular individual. These files are great for knowing when they need to ship more or less widgets to store x and not to store y, saves the company tons of money.
What the feds are looking for is a pattern of buying by individuals. They need raw data for that. When you have the raw data you can syncsort out every individual purchase of widgets between day one and day 10 and the individual also bought rope between the same day. Aggregate files won’t have that kind of detail the Feds are looking for.
If you’d like to take this off line, you can email me at christinenotes at gmail dot com. I just set this email acct up, but please be specific in your header. I delete everything that I don’t recognize the name or subject from, without opening.
This might be a good discussion for others to jump into.
The link is well worth the time to read it. A minimal amount of the total content was shared here.
Ok…. now I get what you’re talking about. Who the he!! has that much space to store that kind of data?? But, it looks as though different companies will ’specialize’ in certain ‘data mining’ areas. Those of us that work in IT call it that.
I guess I’m too ethical to do cr@p like that.
I have no doubt whatsoever that the “research” done, was not independent at all.
The person would have done nothing more than READ THE BLOGS!!!
I’d bet my left nut on it.
I used to regularly post on a British message board and when a person who was actually on the train that was bombed on the 7th/7/05 wrote a post on the message board about her survival story it was picked up by the BBC and printed. Word for word!
None of the story was sourced, asked permission for, accredited to, or from, the actual person who was on train and who wrote the original story (or in this case, in her diary and then a post on a message board)
Let alone be paid for the story.
All the Journo did was copy her words in it’s entirety and gave it to his Editor to be published.
Rachels Story of when she was on the train that was blown up.
Definitely worth the time to read it!
Just look at how easily the MSM Journo’s are led up the garden path by Bush and Co. Printing their bullshit without ever checking the facts of what they have just been told.
Alberto Gonzales is a legal weasel.
In contrast, all the pro-bono Gitmo lawyers are legal eagles.
So, what are the characteristics of a legal weasel like Gonzales?
1) Lying.
2) Evasiveness.
3) Withholding information from the duly-elected representatives of “We the People.”
Concerning established law (Geneva Conventions, U.S. Constitution, etc.), the legal weasel says that if something isn’t “specifically” mentioned or prohibited, then the legal weasel will “interpret” it any damn way they please…in an attempt to weasel their way around or out of following established “rule of law.”
Concerning the creation of new law, the legal weasel will inject “weasel words” into a bill, words which are non-specific, giving the legal weasel plenty of weasel room. For instance, they’ll add to the end of a bill’s section the words “and for other purposes,” thus giving them wide latitude, and no boundaries, like the legal weasels did with the Patriot Act and the $385 million detention center construction bill.
In other words, the Bush administration’s legal weasels are nothing more than corrupt little neo-fascists, and no amount of lauding by Orrin Hatch, the pornography-obsessed senator, of Alberto Gonzales in a hearing will change this SPECIFIC FACT.
Which is why all the Republican-fascist legal weasels have had a major problem with FISA and it’s declaration that it is the binding law.
So, my suggestion to the Democrats holding these hearings in an attempt to control the legal weasels:
Call all the FISA court judges to appear before them, behind closed doors, one at a time. To get to the bottom of what all the fascist legal weasels, like Alberto Gonzales, have really been doing illegally in direct contravention of FISA.
Then, let the censuring or impeachments begin. The legal weasels are more dangerous to our “rule of law” democracy than Osama bin Laden or al Qaeda could ever dream of being. Because while the al Qaeda religious terrorists might attack us physically, the fascist legal weasels are trying to destroy the soul of our democracy.
Enough is enough. Let’s stuff and mount the legal weasels.
Another note:
“President Bush has authorized the continuation of the N.S.A. program every 45 days by executive order to allow the N.S.A. to conduct wiretaps on international communications without a court warrant. When the current order expires, however, President Bush has decided not to reauthorize the program, officials said.” (NY Times article)
One must consider the possibility that this is all a setup.
I realize that legal weasels like Alberto Gonzales are always in CYA mode, but they also are always looking for an advantage.
So, why would legal weasel Gonzales suddenly seem to reverse himself on FISA? Scared that the Democratic-controlled Congress might uncover how illegal a surveillance program the Bush White House has actually been operating?
Or is legal weasel Gonzales setting Democrats up for criticism (and electoral losses) in case there is another terrorist attack on the U.S.?
Remember, Gonzales’ good buddy, Pat Robertson, recently announced that God has told him that there will be a terrorist attack toward the latter part of this year. Strange, all this occurring at the same time. Coordinated neo-con effort, maybe?
Anyway, I can imagine the Republicans, just before the presidential primary season begins next year, allowing a terrorist attack to occur, and then turning around and accusing the Democrats of being responsible, because you see, if only the Democrats hadn’t stopped Bush and his warrantless wiretapping program, then Bush could have stopped the terrorist attack from happening.
In other words, never look at anything the nutjob Republicans do in isolation, especially anything proposed by the insane legal weasel Gonzales. Think of their anti-democratic agenda as a mosaic, with certain pieces fitting the overall pattern of corruption.
This is why Democrats should immediately have all the FISA court judges appear before a committee (or committees) in Congress, behind closed doors, and individually. We (or at least our trusted elected representatives…no, not the neo-con nutjobs) need to know right now how extensive the illegal Bush surveillance program really is, or was.
Since Congress established the FISA court, then Bush can’t block the subpoenaes issued to the FISA court judges by claiming executive privilege. This should be a no-brainer for the Democrats. Use the power of subpoena to get to the bottom of this illegal Bush activity, and make what can be revealed known.
Especially before Bush, who also supposedly gets messages from God like Robertson, lets a terrorist attack occur and tries to blame Democrats in a attempt to game the 2008 elections. I, personally, wouldn’t put anything past Bush and legal weasel Gonzales at this stage of their corrupt administration.