
You've no doubt heard that Scooter Libby will be arguing he was so busy with very important events during 2003 and 2004 that he just plum forgot that Dick Cheney–and not Tim Russert–told him of Valerie Plame's identity. He's even preparing a PowerPoint presentation to show you which very important events he was busy with on which day.
Let me be clear. Scooter Libby is not arguing he was busy with very important things and therefore he didn't have time to obsess over Joe Wilson. He has admitted to discussing how to respond to Wilson repeatedly, as in this passage from the grand jury testimony where he describes discussing the Wilson column multiple times a day activity:
Q. And was [the article] a discussion of — that was — was it a topic that was discussed on a daily basis?
A. Yes sir.
Q. And it was discussed on multiple occasions each day in fact?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And during this time did the Vice-President indicate that he was upset that this article was out there which falsely in his view attacked his own credibility?
By his own admission, the Vice President's Chief of Staff and National Security Adviser, and the President's Assistant spent time during a week full of very important things discussing an op-ed a private citizen had written for the New York Times. As a taxpayer, I read this and begin to sympathize with supervisors who discipline employees for spending too much time surfing the net, rather than doing their job. Only in this case, the guy distracted from doing his job is one of the top security officials tasked with keeping this country safe. And the things he was supposed to be doing–instead of plotting a response to a private citizen–turn out to include a large number of very important things at which this Administration has failed miserably. Take a look at the list of very important events Libby will present in his PowerPoint:
- Threatened attacks on America and American interests by Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and other terrorist groups
- Enhancing the US defenses for homeland security
- Nuclear proliferation by Pakistani scientist A. Q. Khan and efforts by the US to stop his activities
- The development of nuclear weapons by North Korea
- Iran's development of nuclear weapons, its arrest and potential harboring of Al Qaeda members, and its involvement in Iraq
- The proper size and role of the Iraqi military and security forces in the months following the fall of Saddam Hussein and the proper composition of the governing entity in Iraq
- The Israeli-Palestinian relationship, including the emergence of Mahumoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) as an alternative to Yasser Arafat and the threat Hamas posed to peace and security
- A tense diplomatic crisis arising during the first half of July 2003 from the arrest of Turkish soldiers by US forces
- The unrest in Liberia in June and July 2003, culminating in the fall of Charles Taylor in early 2003; the danger to the US Embassy and its occupants in Monrovia; and the United States' role in protecting civilians caught in the strife
Let's see. The Turkish soldiers were released on July 8, 2003. And Liberia remains tense–but peaceful, as its former dictator prepares to face a UN War Crimes tribunal. I'd call those successes. But the rest of these very important things Scooter Libby was supposed to be working on while he was having multiple discussions a day to orchestrate a Wilson smear? Let's look more closely.
Threatened attacks on America and American interests by Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and other terrorist groups
My first question about Libby's focus on fighting terrorism is why Libby was spending so much time fighting this guy , when this guy is still at large?
On top of that, we have this update from those who have to pick up after Libby's mess.
Intel director John Negroponte gave Congress a sobering assessment last week of the continued threats from groups like Al Qaeda and Hizbullah. But even gloomier comments came from Henry Crumpton, the outgoing State Department terror coordinator. An ex-CIA operative, Crumpton told NEWSWEEK that a worldwide surge in Islamic radicalism has worsened recently, increasing the number of potential terrorists and setting back U.S. efforts in the terror war. "Certainly, we haven't made any progress," said Crumpton. "In fact, we've lost ground."
While we can't blame the ongoing decline on Libby–who has been out of his job for a year and a half–we sure don't seem to have eliminated the threat.
Enhancing the US defenses for homeland security
Things are even worse with our homeland security. Only last week did the US House pass a bill doing some of the obvious things to keep our nation safe–like inspecting shipping containers and addressing the communications needs of first responders. Those seem like no-brainers to me–but I guess our executive branch has been too busy planning campaigns against its private citizens to enact even these obvious reforms.
Nuclear proliferation by Pakistani scientist A. Q. Khan and efforts by the US to stop his activities
Libby will almost certainly describe this as one of the issues that distracted him when he was testifying in fall 2003 and spring 2004. AQ Khan's role in selling nukes to, among others, Iran was revealed in fall 2003, just as Libby was gearing up to allegedly lie the first time, and Khan was "arrested" in February 2004, a month before Libby allegedly lied a second time. Of course the "arrest" was just a pardon and house arrest. Since that time, the US has never been able to speak with Khan directly. And most of Khan's associates have since been let go. And Pakistan–which by all accounts was intimately involved in Khan's proliferation network–has been upgrading it's own program.
The biggest irony, of course, is that Scooter Libby was so distracted with his plan to respond to Wilson that he didn't even notice that the wife about whom he was spreading leaks was one of the key Americans trying to stop this kind of proliferation. Plame can no longer combat proliferation, and the efforts of Scooter and his buddies appear to have been too ineffective to do so.
The development of nuclear weapons by North Korea
One of Pakistan's best customers, of course, was North Korea. And as we now know, Libby's efforts to prevent North Korea from going nuclear failed. While North Korea's recent test was largely a dud, the Administration's failure to sustain 6-party talks (or better, to engage in honest bilateral talks) has simply given North Korea more time to develop its program. Chief among our problems throughout this period was the involvement of Dick Cheney's handpicked "envoy," John Bolton, who has scuttled attempts at diplomacy at every step of the way, behaving so undiplomatically that he got banned from talks. In this case, then, OVP sinned as much by commission as omission and distraction. Given the way OVP's involvement in North Korea seemed a constant setback to progress with North Korea, you might imagine that Libby's distraction with Wilson would have helped us prevent North Korea from going nuclear. But whether through omission or commission, Libby's efforts failed.
Iran's development of nuclear weapons, its arrest and potential harboring of Al Qaeda members, and its involvement in Iraq
To a degree, this is an absurd proposition on its face. One of the chief liaisons between Iran and Iraq, in the early days, was none other than Ahmed Chalabi, whose intelligence chief was passing our secrets to Iran. So it's not like the guys pushing Chalabi to be the central power broker in Iraq were really working against Iranian influence.
But if we were to take Libby's claims at their face value–that he was busy trying to get Iran to hand over Al Qaeda leaders it had in captivity and to end its nuclear program–then we can only judge his efforts to be a complete failure. As Flynt Leverett has explained, the Bush Administration squandered the best opportunity to negotiate these issues during precisely the period when Libby was hatching his plot against Joe Wilson.
On the nuclear issue, the administration refused to consider direct negotiations with Tehran for nearly four years after the revelations of Iran’s efforts to develop a uranium enrichment capability. In the spring of 2003, the Iranian Foreign Ministry sent, via Swiss diplomatic channels, a proposal for negotiations aimed at resolving all outstanding bilateral differences between Tehran and Washington, including the nuclear issue. The proposal was described as having been endorsed by all the major power centers in Iran, including the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The administration’s response was to complain to the Swiss Foreign Ministry that the Swiss ambassador in Tehran had exceeded his brief by passing such a paper. It is worth noting that the Iranian message came to Washington shortly after the conclusion of major combat operations in Iraq and well before the emergence of the insurgency there—in other words, the Iranian offer was extended at a time when U.S. standing in the region appeared to be at its height. It is also worth recalling that, when the Iranian offer was made, the Islamic Republic was not spinning centrifuges or enriching uranium and the reformist Mohammad Khatami was still president. [my emphasis]
Not only was BushCo going after Joe Wilson, I guess, but they were going after the Swiss at the same time. Perhaps that explains Libby's confusion and forgetfulness.
The proper size and role of the Iraqi military and security forces in the months following the fall of Saddam Hussein and the proper composition of the governing entity in Iraq
Wow. How can I treat this fairly? I'll just let George Bush assess how well Iraq is going.
The situation in Iraq is unacceptable to the American people — and it is unacceptable to me. Our troops in Iraq have fought bravely. They have done everything we have asked them to do. Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me.
I guess Bush doesn't judge the results of Libby's very important work that highly. I'll chalk that up to one more failure during the period Libby was busy obsessing about Joe Wilson.
The Israeli-Palestinian relationship, including the emergence of Mahumoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) as an alternative to Yasser Arafat and the threat Hamas posed to peace and security
By the reference to Abbas, I presume Libby's team is referring to Abbas' ill-fated service as Prime Minister from March 2003 until fall 2003. You know–the one that ended when Abbas resigned (among other reasons) because he didn't get enough support from Israel and the US.
The fundamental problem, the statement said, was "Israel's unwillingness to implement its road map commitments and to undertake any constructive measures."
He also said the United States and the international community "did not exert sufficient influence on Israel to implement its commitments in the road map to push the peace process forward or to end its military escalation."
Can I just call that another Libby failure and leave it at that?
Libby may think the exercise of describing all the very important things he was working on may get him off perjury and obstruction charges. But as a taxpayer, I can't say I'm all that sympathetic. Libby worked for me and you, overseeing all these very important things. And instead of giving them his full attention, he was busy plotting up a smear of a private citizen. Perhaps if he hadn't been so obsessed with Joe Wilson, he might have succeeded with more than two of these important security issues.



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Fitz!
OT– Mondale and Carter on the Sit Room and doing very heavy lifting!
FITZ and JANE!
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angie – thought you would be interested in this
Right. And if I go down to the local store and boost a candy bar and get caught, I can tell the judge I had so many other more important things clouding my brain, I just forgot to pay for it. I can scream that all the way to the jail house. That might wash in Libby-Rove-Bush and Cheney world. But I can promise that will not work in kiddo world.
twolf1 @ 3
Thank you, twolf1 and I most certainly am very interested!
:>)
hey, empty wheel, I sure hope fitz reads your stuff, and don’t say “he’s probably considered everything you’ve considered”.
I know as a fact the very best miss things people outside the box see
I’ll give an example;
I once had the pleasure of discussing memory management with the very person who wrote the code for microsoft (Landy Wang )
in that discussion I mentioned an affect a user might experience if they changed a particular setting Landy told me the affect wouldn’t take place, when I told him the scenario it would, he agreed with my assessment
I was shocked, told him I never expected to igve insight on memory management to Landy Wang of microsoft, he said nobody else ever had
I do believe fitz could would have a ball readking your stuff and might well take something from you he hadn’t considered
kudos to you
would a moderator tell me what it is in my post at number seven that triggered the filter here?
I can’t figure it out
[Mod Note; sometimes the filters work in strange and mystery ways. There’s no obvious trigger in your comment.]
Bullseye, as per usual, emptywheel. I can’t figure out why the borrow and spend Republicans haven’t figured this out yet.
“I can’t recall.” “I have no specific recollection.” Weren’t those John Poindexter’s repeated excuses during the Iran-Contra hearings?
It wasn’t convincing then, either.
Deja vu all over again.
John Casper @ 9
let’s add an addendum to the “borrow and soend republican” handle
from now on I believe we should use;
“borrow, spend, steal” republicans
whatcha think?
Worthy of extensive spotlighting.
I just hope this Libby trial leads to Cheney. If that happens; who knows where else it will go?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
no place to go but up
I thought it was interesting that John Dickerson reported at Slate on the cleaning lady who worked at the Watergate and knew Condi lived on the 5th floor, and was dismissed by Walton because her employer wouldn’t pay her if she got onto the jury. Libby’s lawyers were trying to get her axed after “she seemed to suggest that since the defendant was indicted, he was already guilty. But as she walked out of the courtroom, she looked at Libby and whispered, ‘good luck.’”
OT – CNN – Bill Richardson plans to announce Sunday that he will be running
Peter Gabriel – “I Don’t Remember“:
More reporting by John Dickerson:
twolf1 @ 15
Don’t these people have anything better to do? Evidently not.
Emptywheel –
Boy, when you set about doing demolition work on Scooty-Scoot’s main “defense” for lying through his teeth on multiple occasions to multiple entities, you don’t fool around!
In fact not only do you leave no stone standing, you’ve salted the ground completely.
My hat’s off to you! (Again!)
It’s all so exasperating. Does anyone have any idea how long this Libby thing can drag out, until a final resolution? Are we talking years perhaps?
And more Dickerson:
These dudes sound like the most annoying pricks.
twolf1 @ 14
Actually, that would be down:
“FOX NEWS POLL: AMERICANS DISLIKE BUSH MORE THAN CHENEY…”
Oklahoma kiddo @
5
Indeed, ‘I forgot’.
‘Two simple words in the English language. How many times do we let ourselves get into terrible situations because we don’t say “I forgot”?’
;>)
Sparkles the Iguana @ 15
Of course it’s possible her whispered wish was something more along the lines of “rotsa ruck, pal!”
I know there’s been speculation that cheney is going to testify in person
if true, why the change?
because cheney thinks he can be convincing in person that’s why
he has that much confidence in himself, he thinks he will intimidate, embarrass fitz, force fitz to defer to him, and he thinks he can put him in his place
cheney can be made to loose control, and quite easily, we’ve seen him curse out a sitting senator and he is not capable of prolonged self control
he also believes we are all morons, we know this because we’ve seen him get on the TEE vee and repeat to us as fact data we know with no doubt is false…he believes by virtue of his won declaration he can make us believe whatever he has to say.
man, what I would pay to see teh fitzster get cheney to loose control
Mrs. K8 @ 20
Thanks, Mrs. K8.
We’ve got abotu three weeks to turn the Memory Defense on its head–if for no other reason than to make it harder for Bush to pardon Libby.
Bob Cesca: Bush still giddy over death & destruction in the Middle East but gets downright grim at the mention of tax cuts.
Gee, accountability and takng responsibility for one’s actions. What a novel concept. *g*
GREAT post, EW!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 21
There’s one consolation here — all along the way there will be a constant reminder, in every headline, of what Cheney’s gang does best: LYING.
Excellent work, Emptywheel. I’d like to point out that if you have confidence in yourself, you don’t worry about what they’re saying on the NY Times Op Ed page.
Retaliation shows lack of confidence. Vindictiveness is weakness. The psychological profile on Dick Cheney confirms the cowardice he showed with the 5 deferrments long ago.
He can’t take the heat…and, yet, he occupies one of the most powerful positions in the world. How did this happen?
The biggest irony, of course, is that Scooter Libby was so distracted with his plan to respond to Wilson that he didn’t even notice that the wife about whom he was spreading leaks was one of the key Americans trying to stop this kind of proliferation. Plame can no longer combat proliferation, and the efforts of Scooter and his buddies appear to have been too ineffective to do so.
Lukery has been on this since day one – shutting down Brewster-Jennings (Plame’s pseudo-employer) was no accident. BJ was actively working on stopping proliferation, to Iran, of weapons of the type that Mr. Khan had to offer.
I don’t understand it all – Luke does – but for some reaosn Turkey always comes up….
ASparkles the Iguana @ 15
That little snippet is worthless unless we also know the tone of voice.
mc @ 23
Oh look, John Dickerson finds Fitz very humorless:
perris @ 26
Fitzy got a lot of practice with the mob bosses.
oxide @ 36
nobody here believes cheney stands a chance against fitz, but cheney believes fitz doesn’t stand a chance against him
OT – CNN cafferty 5:00 question: Why would the Bush administration suddenly fire a bunch of federal prosecutors?
respond here
Here’s a question: when Cheney is on the stand, does Fitz address him as “Mr. Cheney” or as “Mr. Vice President?”
Sparkles the Iguana @ 35
Fitz must be a p*ker player. I, for one, would not want to be sitting across from him.
In any venue.
[Mod Note; comment edited]
OT: Joe Loserman on NPR. Whiny little bitch.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 35
Good for him. He thinks this is serious.
Marcy, great analysis, as always. Your research skills are awesome. I’m just glad he was distracted. Think of the damage Libby could have done if the Very Important Things had his full attention.
I would absolutely LOVE to see Cheney lose it on the stand. Who knows, it might turn into one of those Jack Nicholson moments from A FEW GOOD MEN. “You’re goddamn right I ordered the CODE RED!!”
Wheee!!!!
EW – Forgive my liberties with a typo:
zeppo @ 42
I expect him to loose control
I give one chance that he doesn’t;
if he realizes he is no match for fitz and gets professional help and practice at getting grilled
then he’ll be ready for whatever fitz throws at him.
however, if cheney is the man I believe he is, he thinks he can handle “a whimp like the prosecutor”
however because I think by now cheney realizes his limitations he will get some training for the cross
Pachacutec @ 39
Dick.
With a sneer in his mouth.
And then he ducks.
emptywheel @ 27
You know, this all just reminded me of a local case — the conviction of Arizona’s slimy governor, J. Fife Symington III (sounds like a made-up name for a sitcom, doesn’t it?).
He managed to lie to multiple financial entities (primarily banks) about his financial status.
It seems that when he wanted to borrow money, he inflated his net worth. But when he wanted slack on his massive loan payments, he underestimated his assets.
He said it was oops! a problem of memory and math!.
He was convicted for bank fraud. Why? Because oddly enough, all his multiple “mistakes” always, always, always turned out to be in HIS favor.
[The conviction was eventually overturned because of a technicality — a juror who (irrationally or in bad faith, IMO) insisted on his innocence no matter how much evidence of his ever-so-convenient shenanigans was placed in front of her was dismissed by the judge at the request of the prosecution to prevent a hung jury. This came back to bite prosecutors in the butt on appeal — his conviction was tossed.]
Anyway, my point is that it seems that Libby’s memory problems always seem to end up favoring himself and the office of the Veep, don’t they? They never seem to place anyone in the administration in a bad light.
Odd how that works out, isn’t it?
Pachacutec @ 37
I don’t know, but the transcripts of the George Ryan trial would indicate what Fitz’s AUSA’s called Ryan.
emptywheel @ 44
Ha.
Will Cheney be allowed to testify sitting on a hay bale to suggest he is one of the people?
I have a mental picture of Scooter using a Franklin Day Planner with the running list cited in your post, Marcy; each morning, hunched over his planner, he’d prioritize his daily To Do List.
And next to each one of these items is a little arrow pointing right instead of a check mark, indicating this was something to be continued at some point in the future but not actually dealt with now.
And a check mark next to Wilson sometime in July…
Seriously, if his planner looked anything remotely like a running list of line items from day-to-day, he’s busted. No memory defense.
jayt — I’m with lukery. If they wanted to discredit Wilson, it would have been cleaner, easier, more direct to simply find a way to minimize him in the media; they could have done what they did to the NYT on NSA domestic wiretapping and asked them to sit on the story for reasons of national security. Or some other similarly manipulative method; it’s not like they didn’t have a veritable lock on the media. Going after Plame was to go after a much wider target.
neokneme @ 44
Thanks! Fixed, I think.
zeppo @ 42
After thinking about it for a day or two – I find myself believing lhp’s theory; more lor less.
Cheny’s being on the witness lis may in fact be a total red herring – existing only as a means of sorting out potetntial jurors that the defense doesn’t like. He may never show up at all. Just because his name is on the witness list does not, by any means, mean that he will in fact be called.
I mean – if I’m Cheney – why would I even consider showing up? At best he’s a lay memory witness. Not worth a whole lot. If he does show up – he’s got the Wilson op-ed, with his own hand-written notes on it, to answer for.
Why in the world would he do that?
Rayne @ 50
LOL
We may be able to play with this at trial. After all, he’s going toget up there and say he was very concerned about North Korea–and we gte to explain how Bolton–Cheney’s picked NK guy–basically got kicked out of the country. And the Abbas thing. How hard is it, really, to try to support the guy you’re investing all your hopes for peace on?
jayt @ 32
Turkey….Turkey?
Why, I think I hear the voice of Sibel Edmonds whispering “yes! yes! yes!” in the background. Too bad that’s all she can spit out while struggling to pull off that gag on her mouth.
I can’t wait for Marcy’s live blogging next week!
jayt @ 52
I dunno…. Cheney at times seems to be something other than a human. Do you think he has any personal loyalty to Scoots? He would certainly be between a rock and a hard place in terms of trying to help out his loyal assistant and not screwing up and saying something that makes the entire situation worse. I mean, he could probably get Libby off very easily, but at what personal cost to him and the Bush adminstration?
It will be interesting, no matter what happens.
Now, where the hell did I put those press passes?
They must be around here somewhere. I know I had them. . .
mc @ 40
Gee, I would. If it were a little bistro table, with a nice bottle of Cote du Rhone and two glasses between us.
Heh. I think if he ends up on the stand, Cheney will definitely go Colonel Jessup.
Because he doesn’t give a damn what we think we’re entitled to.
Oh please, oh please, oh please, go Jessup on us.
jayt @ 52
I agree they’re using his appearance to greatest advantage. But I think they also need him to rebut Cathie Martin.
Pachacutec @ 57
I hope you’re kidding!!!
Ol Cheney will get up there and assume his trademark hunched position and then start in with his monotone;
‘Well of course Mr. Libby was a very busy man…’
zeppo @ 43
“Dick” Nicholson?
zeppo says
January 19th, 2007 at 2:26 pm*
I mean, he could probably get Libby off very easily,
For now – I’ll just respectfully disagree.
Cheney brings nothing to this party.
Oh Marcy, he’s messing with you. He knows he’d have Jane’s pink-papered back end arriving inside 12 hours if he didn’t have them. ;-)
K8 @ 46. Yeah, I remember Fife’s deal here in Phx too. These type sure forget a lot.
The pompousness of Lieberman reminds of the arrogance of Senator Clinton. Each thinks they can maintain their posture and we Demos have nowhere to run. I could get f’ing pissed about this.
Mrs. K8 @ 53
Noam Chomsky wrote that the US, Turkey and Israel are the real axis of evil.
emptywheel @ 59
I think I can find them. Don’t worry, at least. . . not yet.
Cheney is huddled with the image consultants as we speak, trying to get the sneer wiped off his face. Sadly, his mother’s warning has come true: “Do that often enough and your face is going to freeze that way.”
jayt @ 63
Yeah, you’re right. I didn’t think that one through. Even if Cheney said something like “Yes, I told Libby to leak Plame’s name and then told him to lie about it on the stand”, that still doesn’t do anything about Libby lying under oath, even if he was under orders.
Just being a good German soldier, ja?
I should slow down and think about what I am posting with so many people who actually know what they are talking about here….
hackworth @ 68
Where did Mr. Chomsky write this?
O/T and a “drive by” blogger are having server problems so don’t be surprised if you can’t get to a lot of blogs.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
I agree. Their sense of self importance jibes poorly with a job title that contains the word representative.
Why was Libby the forward man supposedly dealing with this “important” stuff? Why was it his overwhelming responsibility, triggering the “I was busy” defense? Shouldn’t there have been more senior people working directly for the President whose job these items entailed? Weren’t there NSA’s who would outrank Scooter? Geez.
Hey folks a Minor/Major complaint: Can we have some ground rules here?
HIS NAME IS IRVING.
“SCOOTER” IS A NICKNAME CONFECTED TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT HIS REAL NAME IS IRVING.
LET US IN FUTURE REFER TO HIM BY HIS REAL NAME
Mark at 72 — Great to see your phosphors. :)
up next on hardballs – the Libby trial
OK @ 70 I’ll look it up and get back with you. Absolutely certain of it I am. Was a great read.
Hayduke @ 65
But they never ever forget anything which would be to their DISadvantage to forget.
This is a pathological cognitive syndrome in search of a name. Neurologists should focus some attention on it, eh? Or maybe the shrinks have named it already — “pathological lying.”
OT –
So, you’re in the Valley of the Sun, too? (Did I know that already, and forgot it? A memory problem?) Not much sun today, dark and damp and dreary. I like it, actually. When we first moved here we thought the blue sky was great. At first. “Hey, let’s go outside and frolic! The weather is great!” After the umpteenth straight cloudless blue sky day, it was more like, “Ho hum. Another sunny day. Big deal.” We can’t shake our back-home preference for variable weather.
zeppo says
January 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pm*
I should slow down and think about what I am posting with so many people who actually know what they are talking about here….
Once again, I’ll respectfully disagree.
Batting ideas around is not only a bit of fun, but is almost always useful – and fer chrissakes, please don’t mistake me for someone who knows a whole heck of a lot….
I just toss stuff out – I’m a conversation starter, kind of…
Glorfindel @ 74
Libby was pretty fucking senior. HIs three titles were VP Chief of Staff, VP’s National Security Advisor, and President’s Assistant. That made him at least equal to Hadley, and when you consider how much more powerful Cheney was than Condi back then, it becomes clear why he was working on all this stuff.
Thanks for the post here, EW–I follow you or go to you on thenexthurrah from here daily. Interesting stuff you have up, as always.
Thanks also to the fdl community, as we enter even more interesting times and will our best karma (if there be such a thing) to Jane.
G.O. dubya
Somewhere in the bowels of the…
:~}
Mark! Good to see you!
Emptywheel, CHS, Para, et al.
1. IMHO, and the opinion of trial lawyers I know and work with, Powerpoints don’t help individuals trying to put their case in. It seems jurors get the feeling you’re just a bit too slick. But, that’s an opinion call…
But, this is not an opinion call:
2. Shouldn’t we, when addressing his alleged memory problem, be backing up from the grass to look at the pattern being mowed in the outfield (pitchers and catchers in 20 some days): Scooter was the assistant to the Vice President. The Vice President, by law, doesn’t really have that many responsibilities – everything Deadeye was doing was surplusage to his office, or overflow from the limited vessel down the hall in the Oval Office. I recognize Scooter was technically a Special Assistant to the President seconded to the Vice President, but still, what does it say when the Office of the President is so overwhelmed that he has to farm out work to the Vice President (whose traditional role is being the President’s political heavy, anyway)? Or that the President is so incompetent he has to pull other incompetents (viz. the series of fiascoes you listed) into his circle?
There’s a fundamental logical disconnect in the whole Idea that a Vice President is a major player in the whole foreign affairs arena – that didn’t really start until Reagan made Poppy his right-hand guy for “crisis management”, though Carter did lean some on Mondale for special projects – dealing with Japan and maybe China, I think. Until then, the VP was a cipher in most cases.
Let’s look at this analytically and see what, if anything, it bodes for the trial, as I’m just tossing this idea off at the end of a long Friday afternoon….
I just remembered the title – its found in Hegemony Or Survival. It was toward the end of the book, in the last third or quarter of it. I do not have the book. I checked it out from the library.
Pachacutec @ 68
I’m worried. But then, I know you realize how Jane would kill you, so I’m confident you can find them. WHere’d you go after the court room last night? Did Clarice steal your passes?
Alter says on Hardball that the Libby trial is all about Cheney.
twolf1 @
38
ol’ Jack cuts right to the quick, doesn’t he?
David Shuster just had a piece on Hardball…good stuff.
I think Cheney will go toe to toe with Fitzgerald and it will be a draw of sorts. Cheney won’t back down – he lacks human or mortal fear – but he’ll stand on an unprecedented legal footing that Fitzgerald won’t challenge to the end.
Interesting. In the past I’ve been warning that much of the FDL community may be expecting too much from the Libby trial, that Fitzgerald will keep it narrower than we like.
But it looks like the best way for Fitzgerald to demolish the “I was so busy with important stuff that I forgot” defense is to show just how busy Libby, Cheney, and the rest were with their plans to “get” Joe Wilson, and that in fact they pushed other substantive issues aside to spend more time on it.
The “too busy to remember” defense might actually open up a lot of issues that otherwise would be off-topic for just proving perjury. Without this defense, the case is just: Libby swore to A, B, and C. The truth, as we have shown beyond a reasonable doubt, is not-A, not-B, and not-C, and Libby knew this full well. Therefore you must find him guilty, the prosecution rests.
emptywheel says
January 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pm*
Clarice
Heh. Nice inside pitch.
The vet’s will get it.
emptywheel @ 82
Thanks Emptywheel. Q: Was this situation as unique as it sounds? Had any other administrations included administrators such as Libby with these byzantine chains of power and accountability?
Alter on “Hardball” questions whether Cheney “was out of bounds in the Federal government.” How about usurper or seditious?
Swear to God – I’m thinking more and more that Cheney, Richard Bruce, is a herring, red.
He’s not testifying.
Why do I have the feeling that the press passes are on the mantelpiece at Pach’s place?
If Scooter is busy enough to need Powerpoint to explain it to the jurors, he’s busy enough to have all of that stuff in his planner. If he has enough time to create a Powerpoint show (or have a peon do one, then see and and approve it), he has far too much time on his hands for someone whose defense is that he’s too busy to remember the stuff he was working on.
As a peon, I’ve spent the last twenty years remembering the stuff I’ve been working on, sometimes for decades. Scooter’s defense isn’t convincing to me.
Amazing that Libby could be so central and pivotal to so many issues of national security – which almost sounds like it was being run out of the OVP – and yet not know anything aobut the Joint Task Force on Iraq. Golly.
Or that, with the VP and Rice heading up the “aluminum tubes can only be used for nuclear weapons – boom – mushroom cloud” story, he would never have run across the fact that Plame, in connection with the JTFI, was sent to Jordan to check out the aluminum tubes story with Jordanian intell.
Glorfindel @ 92
I suspect it was unique (consider, for example, that Cheney replaced Libby with two men, John Hannah and David “Mr. Unitary Executive” Addington. Add in the completely unique power wielded by Cheney, and yes, I suspect it is nearly unprecedented.
Let me ask an uninformed question here.
If Scooter is convicted, then what?
This whole trial is because Fitz got ’sand thrown in his eyes’.
Is there going to be further investigation, potentially resulting in more charges?
IANAL.
P J Evans @
96
Let’s add his copious notes about the Wilsons to what you mentioned. (And for all we know, he may have been writing notes about other matters.) If he were so busy with national security matters, how did he find the time to write in his notebooks about the Wilsons?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 88
Nice to see the MSM catching up to an argument I made last May.
Not that I’m grumpy about it or anything…
jayt @ 94
that may account for his swashbuckling swagger – his herring-do
P J Evans @ 94
Not convincing to anybody here. What Wilson did could not go unpunished. It was an extremely important project – smearing Wilson and blowing Plame’s cover. Wilson had very effectively questioned the credibilty of the case for war. The smear project trumped other projects that Scooter was concerned with because Dick ordered it thus.
Out on the newswires (Media Matters):
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On the January 18 edition of Fox News’ Special Report, host and Fox News Washington bureau managing editor Brit Hume asserted as fact that former vice presidential chief of staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby had not committed the “actual leak [of Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA officer], which was done, we now know, by someone else.” As Media Matters for America documented, Hume asserted on the January 17 edition of Special Report that Libby was “not responsible” for leaking the information that Plame was a CIA officer. However, according to the indictment, Libby discussed Plame’s CIA employment with then-New York Times reporter Judith Miller before Plame’s employment was publicly revealed by Robert Novak in a July 14, 2003, column.
As Media Matters has noted, Plame is the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, who, in a July 6, 2003, New York Times op-ed, cast doubt on President Bush’s claims that Iraq had attempted to buy uranium from Niger. Novak’s column revealing Plame’s CIA employment was based on information from then-deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, which was allegedly confirmed by White House senior adviser Karl Rove.
While Libby did not divulge Plame’s identity to Novak, prosecutors have alleged that Libby did discuss Plame’s CIA employment with Miller on three occasions prior to the publication of Novak’s column. As Media Matters has noted, the indictment special counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald obtained against Libby on October 28, 2005, asserts that Libby mentioned Plame’s CIA employment to Miller on June 23, 2003, July 8, 2003, and July 12, 2003. After sitting in jail for 85 days, Miller herself identified Libby as her source for the information on Plame.
From the January 18 edition of Fox News’ Special Report with Brit Hume:
P J Evans @ 96
IIRC Libbey had a big fat 3 ring binder dedicated to the Wilsons. Wouldn’t that alone be a treasure trove showing how meticulous he was about this particular issue?
Is U.S. Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Tx.) the same one who advocated a troop increase in Iraq? Or am I confused on this?
emptywheel @ 101
I recall your call on that. ;)
P J Evans @
96
Yes, but you and I are mere peons. The great Irving exists on a higher plane of being. (Taller pile of bullshit is more like it.)
Every time I think about the “I forgot” defense, I keep coming back to the same question: if outing a CIA agent is an unmemorable event, then how many people are you betraying on an ordinary workday?
I occasionally take a look Christy and hold you, jane, a certain peanut and a dog called kobe in my thoughts. I’ll light a few candles after Mass on Sunday.
But Dubhaltach was right that things will have to get a lot lot worse before the American public recognises the root of the evil and I was wrong so mostly I don’t comment.
In any event I’m too busy with the new gorilla’s guides and training in the Iraqi contingent on the team to comment anywhere.
I’ll be back in Iraq in February. Christmas there was just as s**t as you imagine it to be.
Du is now married and to his childhood sweetheart too. They’ve been “one soul in two bodies” from round about aged 8, she’s a soldier too (different regiment).
He’s been promoted twice for his courage and techical proficiency as a bomb disposal officer. I’ll be a grandfather in a few months and am looking forward to encouraging my grandchildren in all the behaviour that I strongly discouraged in Du. :-)
Take care of yourselves.
*poof*
Mary @
97
Mary -
When you have a chance to look at Title 3 of the United States Code, please look at how little it says about the official duties, including limitations thereon, of the Vice President. Unless I missed something or should have looked in another United States Code title, there appears to be no explicit list of permitted or proscribed Vice Presidential activities contained in the United States Code.
RevDeb @ 105
P J Evans @ 96
It doesn’t wash, none of it. Thy’re simply playing for all the time they can get, maybe even be lucky enough to get an acquittal on “reasonable doubt” smokescreen grounds. Failing that, just whine about a wrongful conviction that is nothing more than “the criminalization of policy differences” based on juror bias against Bush and his war, then throw appeal sand in the gears to further delay until it’s pardon time.
Fucker lied. Proactively and repeatedly in rather affirmative detail.
_
Tucker is saying that Republican Rudy Giuliani is “pretty liberal”.
Jeff Gannon thinks Tucker is pretty too.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 112
Duh. What was his first clue?
Once the wingers find out who Rudy really is, he’s toast. What I can’t understand is why no one is broadcasting it.
Abu Gonzo on Lehrer right now.
Lying again.
mfi– {{{hugs to you and your family and all of those you have saved!}}}
eek!
hackworth @ 68
I would say Ol’Noam goes to far about Turkey, but it is all rather curious. The situation of the Kurds has been such a festering problem, and yet a lot of Turks (in private) will acknowledge that, as many Chinese (in private) will acknowledge the brutalities on Tibet, whereas I knew of someone’s Russian girlfriend who would go ballistic everytime Chechnya was mentioned.
OT – tucker – “i can’t understand why democrats don’t like cheney”
guest – because he continually fed the public false information
tucker – “who cares, he’s the vice president.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 112
Rudy’s liberal in that he brought his girlfriend to church, otherwise not so liberal. Why is *ucker trying to sell liberal?
RevDeb @ 115
thanks for the heads up… watching now…
gonzales – the POTUS is a wise, mature CIC
RevDeb @ 105
Unbelievable.
BTW. Doesn’t it seem like the press plays Libby down as if he were just a clerk, when in fact I read he was a very important figure in the neocon wheel?
hackworth @ 119
Liberal, yeah, from the Irish Examiner:
Wife gets house ban on Giuliani’s mistress
The wingnuts have forgotten about his “sterling” character.
LOTS more from Gilliard Here.
Glorfindel @ 113
Maybe Irving will use (forgetting to sign Gannon out) the JG extended stays on the SS logs at the WH as proof of his faulty memory
mui @ 121
The press loves to carry neocon water. Downplay Libby as a clerk so the public won’t pay attention. Play up Bin Forgotten’s number two man’s been captured or killed sixteen times.
hackworth @ 119
perhaps *ucker is a fan of John Sidney McCain III, the elderly senator who will be making a twilight-years bid for the Presidency against America’s Favorite Fascist, Rudy “Squeegee” Guliani.
I’m looking forward to the new lows in negative advertising we’ll get from those two titans.
RevDeb @ 122
NYC was a much more fun city before Rudy Giuliani came along.
emptywheel @ 101
lol
Boy, do I know that feeling. I try to relay stuff I read here and elsewhere to people who get their info from FOX.
Now,some of them are saying, “Hey…you were right about (X). How did you know?”
And I ordered your book.
punaise @ 102
Me thinks in Fitz hands he will be a fish out of water
emptywheel @
60
I think that the most likely outcome of any Cheney appearance is that he will invoke Executive Privilege or something else that will set up a challenge to Fitzgerald’s prosecution.
Remember, it was essentially an assertion of Executive Privilege that Nixon’s WH used to forestall access to the Tapes that became the “Smoking gun”, leading to the Saturday Night Massacre” and Nixon’s ultimate resignation.
The other issue at play here is that the judge in this trial has the reputation of resolutely keeping things on track, and preventing digressions. This may be bad for us, as it might prevent Fitzgerald from following up on Cheney’s responses to probe further into the mess. In fact, Team Cheney may not even have to use Executive Privilege if they can convince the judge to sustain an “Objection!” on grounds of irrelevancy of a line of argument.
But I’m anxious for Fitz to get on with it. He’s been working at this for more than 3 years now, with only one indictment to show for it. In Watergate, it only took 16 months from the day of Archie Cox’s appointment as special prosecutor to the day Nixon resigned. What’s taking Fitz so long???
Bob in HI
contd @126
Was it Rudy Giuliani who banned the Dragon Dance so it had to be performed in Queens. The f*cker.
These Libby posts always inspire me to some great insight that I mean to write down but then something else comes up and I forget.
This administration and our America is a total and complete failure and will continue to be so until and unless WE take it back.
More on Rudy Giuliani. I remember my friend and I had one pathetic Chinese New Year because of Rudy Giuliani’s ban.
It is insanity to have expected anything but total and complete failure from an Administration headed by George W. Bush.
Well, we could probably talk our way in. I think people would recognize me.
Maybe Jeff ‘Gannaon’ is visiting the White House again, since they recently declared the White House visiter logs top secret. And I bet they are. Probably could make a novel out of those visiter logs.
In regard to the judge keeping the discussion narrow (which I think is a good thing for the specific charges in the case), I have a question:
Since Fitzgerald has not closed the investigation yet, would he not be within his rights to call Cheney back to the grand jury (or rather, for the first time, since the Evil One got interviewed the first time at the WH) in order to follow up on any tantalizing tidbits of implicating material hinted at in the trial?
Pach’s court passes have been filched. Now they’ve gone too far.
Pach – you are teasing. Right? I want to preserve emptywheel’s mental stability here. No angering the muses allowed.
I know what they looked like, and I have a really good printer. . .
Pachacutec @
135
Now you’re being mean.
corrected @133 lion
Pachacutec @ 140
David Corn is using them for bookmarks.
Pachacutec @ 140
I have Photoshop.
Is Pach setting up a “memory loss” anecdote for I.L.L?
From wiki
On thought and memory:
Continuous power necessitates continuous memory. Call the Paul. Did your student ever drop the ball?
Fabulous post, EW. thanks.
Corn, or maybe Shuster?
Memory is essential to learning. People in the Bush Administration are incapable of learning anything. Libby was part of the Bush Administration. Ergo Libby has a memory problem.
Pachacutec @ 140
naughty! naughty!
Ms Empty(not hardly)wheel . . .
Ya know it seems like good ol common sense but why would Cheney hire a guy with a lousy memory to deal with all those “Import Things.” Seems like there could be a few huge international fuck ups with a crappy memory like that . . . oh wait. nevermind . . .
Pachacutec @ 147
Russert maybe?
:~}New thread upstairs.
there be new threadage
Let me just repeat my question while Emptywheel is still here.
If Cheney hints at things in the trial which seem hinky, but cannot be followed up on because they’re not relevant to the charges, can Fitzgerald then call on him for an interview (or subpoena him for the grand jury) in the ongoing investigation?
for the record, that’s a tie at 4:04, RBG :~)
Mrs. K8 @ 154
Yeah, I suppose. But it’s highly unlikely Cheney will hint at anything Fitz isn’t expecting. Libby’s team will set the scope of the questions. And they’re unlikely to go into dangerous areas. And Fitz has a good deal of circumstnatial evidence against Cheney as it is. Mind you, it’ll likely remain so. But I think Fitz will hit consitutional issues before he hits new information.
punaise @
155
I’m cool with that, as long as its not an ethnic tie. I never did figure that out.
Mrs. K8 says
January 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pm*
Since Fitzgerald has not closed the investigation yet, would he not be within his rights to call Cheney back to the grand jury (or rather, for the first time, since the Evil One got interviewed the first time at the WH) in order to follow up on any tantalizing tidbits of implicating material hinted at in the trial?
Claiming no special expertise, ya understand: (and in no particular order)
1. IF Cheney testifies (and I don’t think he will) his testimony will be small and tight – subject to very little cross from PJF because he’s not on PJF’s witness list. Now this raises many much more interesting questions – because if Cheney’s not on PJF’s witness list, it’s for a reason – not an oversight. There may very well be more on the horizon; otherwise, there’s simply no reason for PJF to keep Cheney off his witness list.
2. To try to bring Cheny into direct investigation (into the grand jury process) – now that’s where the Executive Privilege thing comes into play. I say – that’s about 4 years of legal wrangling. Which of course means that the Bush adnmin will be long gone – as well as may be Cheney, given the fucker’s evil nature and unstable heart.
3. Without Cheny on his witness list – PJF’s cross-exam is limeted very specifically to whatever the defense chooses to ask him. Which is to say – not much at all (remember – I don’t think Cheny’s gonna testify).
Emptywheel & jayt –
Thanks very much for your responses.
I guess I just have a very deep yearning to see Cheney FORCED, for once, to answer questions about all his evil behavior — and not be able to weasel out of it.
go to Laura Rozen’s site
VP office numbers more than two hundred
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..rozen.html
Glorfindel @ 73
hackworth @ 101
hackworth @ 101
I think it’s worse than questioning the credibility. Lots of people questioned to no avail. There were lots of news reports back on page 17 of the Post and Times.
The phoney intel was Cheney’s creation… he crafted it, he pushed it, he would brook no challenge… Wilson’s greater offense was to tell Cheney he had no right to create phoney intell. Wilson was defending Plame’s work over Cheney’s work.
How much progress has anyone made in slowing down this group of ideologues? The patterns indicate that we’re likely to be drawn into a wider conflict with even less chance of getting out.
The Iran-Syria Operations Group (ISOG) appears to be an extension of the Office of Iranian Affairs (OIA), which, in turn, is a reincarnation of the Office of Special Plans (OSP).
jayt @ 158
But my understanding is that he’s not on PJF’s witness list, but on Libby’s list, basically as a character witness, and also to put his imprimatur on Libby’s testimony about all the things he was so busy with. But if Libby brings him in as a witness, then PJF gets to cross-examine, right? And in cross, he can ask other bothersome questions, as long as they’re germane to the case, right?
Not so fast. Remember, Nixon tried the same thing with Archie Cox (or maybe Jaworski), and they got expedited review by the SCOTUS against Nixon.. Remember, from Archie’s appointment to Nixon’s resignation was 16 months, and that includes everything– Saturday night massacre, Executive Privilege claims, SCOTUS review, everything.
This sounds bass-ackwards to me, especially because I think Cheney’s on Libby’s witness list.
Furthermore, IMHO, Cheney can be called before the grand jury if PJF wants to. As Veep, however, Cheney requires special handling, as we have already seen in PJF’s past handling. This whole scenario changes, however, once Cheney sits in the witness stand. I think it opens things up. At, least, I’m hoping so.
Bob
perris @
7
And, see, I would never have had that insight either.
I would have been too busy hitting her repeatedly about the head and shoulders with an olive loaf. “Hah! You call that MEMORY MANAGEMENT? HAH!”
-fred
This may have been mentioned above (hell, I couldn’t get through the 157 comments) but if Libby can put together a powerpoint about what it was he WAS working on those particular days, doesn’t it seem a bit disingenuous that he can’t remember (through notes, etc) who had filled him in on Plame’s identity?
Seems pretty simple.
Pachacutec @
39
I’m still hoping he goes with “Vice President A”.
People you forget pardons. Bush needs to resign now!