
DC Federal Court
(For today's jury selection status and live blogging updates, please see here and here.)
I'm not an attorney and have not viewed any other criminal voir dire processes, though it seems to me that Judge Walton was trying to give the defense a certain amount of latitude to explore potential biases among jurors. Judge Walton has done high profile cases before, and this one is a doozy. Everyone has an opinion - check that, most people have an opinion - about this administration and the case made in support of the invasion of Iraq. Those events form the backdrop to this case, and they involve some of the case's main characters, most centrally, Scooter Libby (defendant) and Vice President Dick Cheney (witness).
Pat Fitzgerald, the prosecutor in the case, seems a bit frustrated by how much latitude is granted to Libby's attorneys, because it draws Team Libby very close to representing during voir dire that the case is about the war, which it is not. To the extent Team Libby is successful in going right up to that line, they have more opportunity to get jurors rejected for cause who, upon sustained inquiry, confess they don't have a lot of faith in the Vice President or, by extension, his former right hand man, Scooter Libby, even if they state more than once that they believe they can take the case and its evidence on the merits, according to the judge's instructions. Fitzgerald even had some success in making an argument to Judge Walton on the matter as the day progressed, though Wells still found enough room to bring the war into his questioning through more careful wording.
Today, one juror admitted the possibility after sustained questioning by Ted Wells that strong feelings about the Vice President could, in theory, at least subconsciously make it difficult to render a fully impartial judgment of testimony by Cheney if it were contradicted by someone else's testimony. She was then excused for cause, after much sidebar discussion. Whuh? Subconscious motivations are, by definition, unavailable to the conscious mind. If a potential juror admits that she may hypothetically be influenced by operations of her mind outside of her direct awareness, she is merely being honest and self-aware.
Such honesty, such self awareness, seems to be too much for jury inclusion, even though this woman elsewhere stated, when questioned directly by Judge Walton and by Pat Fitzgerald, that she would be able to set aside all her previously held feelings about the administration and the case made for war in favor of the evidence presented, according to whatever instructions were given to the jury.
Now, it may also be that she should have been struck, because she did admit she felt "terribly betrayed" by the decision to go to war, believing that decision to have been a "tremendous, terrible mistake." But contrast her with one of the day's last potential jurors: a young defense attorney from one of the law firms in town.
This young man was a very polished potential juror, skilled at answering questions, who gave every appearance of wanting to get onto the jury: he said all the right things about the way he would make deliberations. However:
- His fiancee represents one of the probable witnesses in the case.
- He cites first among the blogs he reads "Glenn Reynolds, Instapundit" before throwing in Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo, DailyKos, Eugene Volokh, How Appealing and some other law related blog. Like that Sesame Street song about something not belonging here, DailyKos sticks out (TPM is a rather centrist, leftish blog focused mostly on journalism, frequently linked by Reynolds, if only by way of attempted rebuttal). Volokh and Instapundit are very aggressive right wing blogs, and Glenn Reynolds has written frequently and dismissively about this case and whether it ever should have been brought. I saw this young man's testimony from a seat in the courtroom and I think he was, if not lying, being very conscious about trying to create a false impression of nonpartisan balance. He was, in my view, consciously deceiving. Why else do I believe that? Let's keep going.
- He started out by saying he knew very little about the case, but upon questioning, he had a great deal of familiarity, in great detail, with its history, and had even read the indictment.
- He stated he believed that the administration was not entirely accurate in making its case for war, but did not believe that this was the result of conscious deception. He stated he understands certain things have to be said to be persuasive, to promote public support, but he feels the administration did not do a good job, because he believes there are reasons, "even very good reasons," why we should have gone to war. Note the present tense. He stated he faults the administration for handling the making of the case for war poorly, though politically, he takes a "middle of the road" approach. Uh Huh. So far, his views place him in the decided minority in the population.
- Did I mention his current boss is a friend of Libby's attorney, William Jeffress? What are this guy's chances of becoming a partner as a defense counsel in DC if he were to be on a jury that found for the government against Scooter Libby? DC attorneys will likely say publicly, if asked, that it wouldn't matter, but everyone who knows how becoming a law partner works knows it ain't necessarily so, depending on the firm.
- He's also doing work representing U. S. soldiers undergoing court martial in connection with the deaths of Iraqi civilians. Odds are, that's work he wanted to do, and for all we know, he may be doing it pro bono.
- In response to a question about Cheney's potential testimony, he averred Cheney is not his favorite person, and more or less like any other politician. He added, these opinions would not affect his estimate of any sworn testimony, since he expects that no one would really perjure themselves under oath. Yep, that's what he said, during voir dire of a perjury case. Oops. Bit of a slip, that.
In short, the whole picture of this young man is of a true believer in the war against superugly islamonazifascists, or whatever we're calling them these days. But he smiled, answered questions with lawyerly precision and coolly assured the court he would be fair and objective in all matters, dealing only with the evidence before him, even giving jury room deliberations the benefit of his lawyerly ability to sift through fine nuances. Uh huh.
Now, of the two jurors, in the abstract interests of fairness at a trial, I would rather have the former, whom I believe to be more honest, over the latter, and yet the former has been struck while the latter remains. Even though my opinions hew much more closely to those of the woman who was excused than they do to those of the lawyer who remains, I would say this even if their views of the war were reversed: if we on the progressive left have been raging about anything these last few years, it has been about the restoration of the fundamental integrity of the institutions governing our public life. I trust the woman who was excused because I find her to be aware of her potential biases and committed to rise above them. The young attorney, on the other hand, I find smoothly and willfully deceptive.
I expect the young attorney to be stricken by a peremptory challenge from the prosecution once the time comes, but my wider point is this: all this fishing about the war, and potential jurors' attitudes towards it, may be helping Team Libby weed out some otherwise honest jurors who could and would do a fine, fair job. On the other hand, I understand the Judge's desire to give the defense some latitude, given the enormity of the challenge the defense faces due to the war's unpopularity, and the fact that testimony in the case will remind jurors of the nation's decision to invade and occupy Iraq.
Where does this leave the process? Actually, once all the peremptory challenges are done, I expect the result will be a fair jury overall; I think the process is basically working. And yet I admit, watching a jury be selected feels quite a lot like viewing the production of sausage.
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Pach, did you witness this PSYOPs battle being waged in the Men’s Room between opposing counsel?
PACH!!!
If I was up for jury selection, I would go way beyond admitting my bias against trusting the VP’s testimony. I would direct a scathing diatribe at Irving and Ms. Comstock. I would say things that would make Fitz blush.
Is the Jury Selection Process Fair?
Let’s see, if you exclude all potential jurors who hold the opinion — arguably based on objective reality — that most if not all key officials in the Bush administration are lying sacks of shit … nope, not fair. Stacked in favor of the lying sacks of shit.
Just wanted to say thanks to Pach~ I am addicted to your descriptions of the questioning and the people~you are doing a great job and I am grateful…
Great post. It does seem that honesty is being devalued in the process, while those who
game the systemanswer correctly have the upper hand. Hopefully justice will be served.One question, Pach. After you were allowed to go into the courtroom itself what was the vibe like?
P.S. Thanks for doing such a terrific job today!
Pach. mygawshyeraspeedyfella! Below EPU’d
Just try to have as relaxing a weekend as you can. This ain’t over…
Trying circumstances to the extreme this week.
You are absolutely fantastic!
THANK YOU!
I think you probably single-handedly saved the sanity of thousands of folks today.
That’s a good thing, eh?
Sleep well, fella. Ya done good ;->
If you get a chance to contact Jane over the weekend, please let her know we all have her in our thoughts and prayers.
Pach - excellent job, really amazing, both live, and in this thoughtful post. Over the afternoon, we read a fair number of fdl’ers with Esq. shingles (mine says something else) extoling the system, or at least supporting Judge Walton, and giving wide latitude to Wells. On the other hand, I couldn’t help but think of all the black and/or poor guys on death row, or with long prison terms, for crimes that white and wealthy guys would probably have gotten off on. This “difference” in the judiciary begins exactly here (and in who gets to be selected as judge (political ties). Attorneys have to believe in their profession and the end result of balanced judiciary rulings. I see it in a different way, now, as before.
dannyM @
4
Danny- they would kick you out before you got rightly started. “Thank you, you’re excused.” Doesn’t matter if you are rational or even correct- you’re not supposed to have a bias going in.
Hi Pach, thanks for your riveting feedback. You get better each day.
I hope Monday is a lot less frustrating for Fitz.
I am surprised that the lawyer wasn’t tossed, too. Does anyone know if, once passed this hurdle that they can’t be reconsidered and excused for cause on Monday? Or is the only options the peremptory challenge or getting seated on the jury.
Methinks the judge might have been getting a little frustrated at not getting through voir dire on schedule and having to up the pool, then figured that he was going to let them use the peremptory challenges on only the most egregious offenders. Yeah, I know that a good judge wouldn’t do that, but everyone has a bad day.
And thanks, Pach, for putting yourself out there. Much courage to take on the challenge live without the legal experience.
You’ve done yourself proud.
Delurking to say a big ol’ thanks to FDL and Pach. I have become quickly addicted to these liveblogs. It’s fascinating stuff, and I’m sure that’s in part to the writing and other commentators (Christy, lhp, emptywheel, etc.) who know so much about the system as well as this specific case.
Now I need to get my check off to the snail mail addy.
Merry Fitzmas to All!
capeman @ 12
The judge is doing this in what I gather is the traditional way: real time motions for cause, and then, no more cause motions, absent new information volunteered by the juror. It’s all peremptories now.
pach, thanks for all you’re doing; it’s just terrific.
can’t help but feel curious about the stance fitz took with this lawyerly dude.
and as for the ’sausage’ comparison; my take is it’s a lot like american idol. a string of variously qualified to unqualified individuals who are put under microscopes and then rather brutally and arbitrarily dismissed.
we can only hope there are no more of this lawyerly type in the pool.
I thought about writing general in the courtroom impressions, but frankly, while it may be mildly dishy, it didn’t flow out of me when I sat in front of a blank computer screen to write I did not know what. Maybe another time.
I’m as anti-Cheney as they come, but our justice system is geared towards giving defendents the benefit of the doubt. It’s better to get this shit out of the way now rather than on an appeal, but that is from an opinion based on vanilla justice (trying to get a final verdict as early as possible), although from a political standpoint, then a guilty verdict, even if it’s successfully appealed due to jury questions, would be better from the anti-Cheny POV because it would give months of punditry to that crowd (witness the reactions towards Libby getting indicted vs. Rove not)
sausage!
Pachacutec @ 17
Did you answer the question on what the courtroom smelled like? (prior thread somewhere) I thought that was an interesting question
ruffian @ 20
Heh. I missed that one. I did not notice any kind of odor.
An Assrocket fan cleared the first hurdle? LIB!
Sausage - I had to delete the hypothetical question I want Fitz to ask of the Faux News lovers…
Rove must still be giving advise with his math. How else will they spin “can’t find enough people to ignore prior Cheney bullshit”?
“There’s nothing like the fresh smell of indictments in the morning”
Paraphrasing Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now!
Pachacutec @ 21
Marcy asked that in the Moonwalking thread at 3:10 #220:
If you know the Bush administration to be liars, how do you put that knowledge aside to make an impartial judgment about a member of the Bush administration who is on trial for lying? How can you presume innocence?
lina @ 26
A: Sure, I’d be more’n happy to listen to them flap their yap before convicting his ass!
Pach, another fascinating day of reading your blogs. EW was the one who asked about the smell. How was it different being in the court room versus watching the feed? What was it like to update the reporters as one of the two observers allowed in the court room? Did they ask a lot of questions?
I know that when I went through voir dire for a case (in which the plaintiff was alleging horrific back problems as a result of an accident) I was sure that I would not be chosen (because of my knowledge of Gray’s Anatomy of the Human Body and other stuff, like I am a health care professional).
I was.
Then the plaintiff jerked his “bad” neck and “injured” back around toward the persons and lawyer he was suing, and I conveyed my disbelief of his injuries to the rest of the jury.
The End.
The plaintiff lost.
the short story is this: miracles and justice DO happen!
Yay, Jane!
Thank you very much for what you are doing, and how well you are doing it!!!
The pool seems skewed.
From City-Data.com
(http://www.city-data.com/city/Washington-District-of-Columbia.html):
Races in Washington, DC:
Black (60.0%)
White Non-Hispanic (27.8%)
Hispanic (7.9%)
Other race (3.8%)
Two or more races (2.4%)
American Indian (0.8%)
Chinese (0.7%)
You’re doing such an amazing job Pach, glad I can finally tell you in a current thread. The live insights
Witnessing for We the Peopleare absolutely an historical perspective we will relish for years.I made sure we replaced my malfunctioning monitor this week so that I don’t miss a thing, so good to be back online with you all.
Re: “Did I mention his current boss is a friend of Libby’s attorney, William Jeffress?”
and
“He added, these opinions would not affect his estimate of any sworn testimony, since he expects that no one would really perjure themselves under oath. Yep, that’s what he said, during voir dire of a perjury case. Oops. Bit of a slip, that.”
Catapult !!!
I will be seriously outraged if someone like that person serves on the jury.
FWIW: Bush’s SOTU is scheduled for Tuesday next week, 1/23/07.
If voir dire finishes as planned on Monday, the first day of opening remarks will also be… 1/23/07
Great job. checks in the mail. I’m asking everyone, please send something.
pdaly @ 33
c’mon Jim Webb– bring it on along with Fitz and Walton!
Watson @
30
The pool looks a lot whiter than DC, and this is true of the 100 people who answered the jury summons. The system, as I understand it, is constructed so as to target racial balance, including as it does mundane lists like utility bills, but for whatever reason, this is kind of a sea of whitey.
I reported a preliminary racial breakdown of the existing pool earlier today on the front page, though the numbers are not up to date.
A rhetorical question, I’m sure? I still remember my go around. Just a ticket, but if they wanted my $150, I thought they oughta have to earn it.
I walk into the court room in a SC county that is about 65% white. The room was fairly represented: the 65% white were in the jury pool, the 35% “other” were the defendents. Did I mention you had to work at Bob Jones U. to be in the jury pool? Or at least teach Sunday school?
Out of the half dozen “normal” folks in the group of 120, only one was pulled out of the hat for me. That young lady was quickly shown the exit.
I made lots of points by refusing to swear on their bible, saying I thought I had the right to be judged by my PEERS and calling their prosecutor a liar (she had NEVER exceeded the legal speed limit in her 60 years). Perhaps hopping out of the court room like a Kangaroo was a bit childish, but… I wouldn’t trade the experience for anything. A real eye-opener, which gave me just a bit of perspective on how minorities feel.
Not sure how I stayed outta jail. Have I ever mentioned I don’t like to be bullied?
pdaly @ 33
An orchestrated coinkydink? Nah… oh wait…
That was a very astute observation about the potential juror’s subconscious feelings being the cause for dismissal. I have always thought that the law falls very short of psychological determination. (Sanity plea for example.) Now the law has to dip into the subconscious processes of our inner selves. Seems like a very dangerous area to me. Any thoughts Pach?
Dexter @
28
These are all good questions worthy of longer answers than I feel I lack the energy at the moment to provide. I will get to them. But here’s the short answers:
Taste’s great; less filling. I felt I could watch faces and behavioral tics better, dynamics across the room and the players, when inside the courtroom.
On the other hand, being around the other media folks helped me catch quotes better, since they are better quote catchers. The media room also makes for a group experience that at once clarifies errant impressions through live dialogue and also supports the creation of a consensus point of view of the proceedings, evening out the coverage, through the creation of a shared understanding of events as they develop, since members of different news outlets influence each other, subtly.
Heh. In truth, most of them were gone, it was late. In practice, the video feed provides so much information, anything that has come from the pool report has been of very marginal added value, in most cases.
Really fine job today Pach, bringing it vividly home to my computer screen. Thanks!
Boy, this process is a far cry from how Wikipedia describes voir dire in England:
Would that we had this process, and could get on with the proceedings. And yet, as has been mused about here, Team Libby likely is muddying the waters because they know they are not holding a winning hand.
Herein lies the difference:
On the other hand, being around the other media folks helped be catch quotes better, since they are better quote catchers
Pach is playing an anticipated role in our system of government. The propagandist would have never admitted such a thing because their minders wouldn’t allow it.
Libby was still taking notes, though I sat on the other side of the courtroom, the better to view the potential jurors in the witness box, so I could not see his writing.
I will say that Libby’s presentation, seated, walking around, in the cafeteria, is very. . . neat. He almost looks delicate, fastidious.
He is not tall, perhaps 5′6″, and he’s quite small boned. He’s very well coiffed and tailored. He seems ever composed: not, frankly, the type to behave without plan or forethought.
Pach, another media question - I’ve always been impressed by David Schuster’s reporting on Plamegate - have you encountered Schuster and what is your impression?
Diane @ 45
He sits right behind me in the media room; we’ve chatted quite a bit. He’s quite likable, seems down to earth, and seems somehow to take the position he’s in with a kind of simultaneous professionalism and wry detachment.
Pachacutec @ 44
are you saying that Irving must certainly remember even though he was soooo busy????????
He’s not a dolt, eh?
bwhahaha.
Pachacutec @ 44
In other words, he’s the spittin’ image of a neocon :)
Stewart “The President doesn’t think the Constitution is binding” great line!
Blub @ 48
Wolfowitz spit on his comb.
blergh.
Mornin’. [well it is here] Just checking in, arrived in Russia. Getting my medical and surgical supplies through customs here this time was a complete nightmare. This is my 29th trip and I have a humanitarian visa, letters from officials, been on tv etc but still somehow they treat me like a criminal. It makes me want to quit. I often think about quitting but some of those times are more serious. This is one.
I will take the supplies that didn’t get SLICED OPEN with me to the hospital. [thereby followed a long stream of unegregious-like curses]
On the plus side I hope to see Boris today.
Let’s just say he does not come across as one prone to wild bursts of madcap spontaneity, at least, in his work life.
As far as. . . other pursuits. . . he looks the kinky type to me.
By the way, I was writing this up to the last minute, and it was still later than I had hoped. Refresh and help me hunt down remaining typos, if you will.
and meanwhile, back on the funny farm of neocondom, this lovely headline about courtroom procedures that Libby will never be subject to:
“Manual to allow executions based on hearsay
Pentagon plan for detainee trials could spark fresh bipartisan debate
Updated: 2:52 p.m. ET Jan 18, 2007
WASHINGTON, AP - The Pentagon has drafted a manual for upcoming detainee trials that would allow suspected terrorists to be convicted on hearsay evidence and coerced testimony and imprisoned or put to death.”
Ummm…
Yeah, sex with bears sounds kind of kinky.
egregious - glad you arrived safely…..keep safe and enjoy the little ones and their little beating hearts there in St. P’s.
Judge Walton trying to give the defense a certain amount of latitude to explore potential biases among jurors.
Judge Walton WAS trying?
Blub @ 54
What Constitution?
omg. We have much more work to do.
Marvelous job, Pach, really great work.
Do you have the sense of history being made?
No pressure there, mind you. Just wondered if it’s there in the background while you’re observing and typing away.
“..even if they state more than once that believe they can take the case and its evidence on the merits, according to the judge’s instructions.”
“..even if they state more than once that THEY believe they can take the case and its evidence on the merits, according to the judge’s instructions.”
Thanks, Dexter.
My colleagues in the press room are under the impression we have no editors in the blogoverse.
That may be true of people like Glen Reynolds, who don’t allow comments, but we have all of you. We bloggers with commenters have lots of editors.
What we don’t have, though, are people telling us what to write about, assigning us to stories.
One thing I don’t understand is that if Fitz and the govt are limiting the scope of the trial to not be about the war and focusing only on what Libby did as far as lying to investigators, but yet, Ted Wells et al are making the whole voire dire process about the war, doesn’t that give Fitz more latitude in what he can bring up about the war?
principless/b principals (they’re the main players, and quite unprincipled, at that.)Nor do bloggers exchange ethics for access.
Thanks, Pach, for your insight and your willingness to write with vision, both on this and on the immigration (says this immigrant’s daughter). I have a huge debt of gratitude to you (and I admire your writing style, as I do of so many here).
Maybe the good guys will get some ringers, too - when hell freezes over. With global warming and concurrent strange weather phenomena, anything is possible.
Regarding the young attorney, a some point you’d think a person recognizes that those kinds of ties creates a conflict that is not in their personal best interest to ignore.
I take the potential for familiarity and relationship biases very seriously in the work I choose to do in order maintain appropriate boundaries to protect myself and best serve the people I affiliate with. Because it matters for what I do, I might just be more sensitive relative to the average person, but I think it’s a little kooky that this guy didn’t seem fazed in the least about how this could affect him personally.
Pach, I’d rather have your intellegent insights with typos than “better quote catchers” any day. Keep it up.
Witney @ 62
That stands to reason and I hope that this is true. But Fitz always said that this case is about LYING and not about the war; I trust Mr. Fitzgerald.
He’s very smart, you know.
Witney @
62
Emptywheel or Christy may be better at this one than I, but I think Fitz does not want to take it that far afield, about the war. It’s a very emotional and divisive matter, and people really hate to think there was intentional deceit. Anyway, it’s separate from the charges. Fitz wants to keep it simple, though I expect if he thinks the war issue confers to his side any background benefit by way of subtext, he’ll take it, even if he won’t try to manipulate or benefit from it.
Fitz is the kind of 47 year old nun beaten altar boy who thinks playing it straight is also playing it smart, beyond the ethics, just from a pragmatic point of view.
That’s my take.
Are you sure about “principles,” as in, “principle actors in the administration?” I always think of the -al version as the guy who runs the school.
Help, anyone?
Totally OT, but from C&L:
O’Reilly is so out-classed here, it’s pathetic.
With all the stress of the last day or so (we’re here for you Jane!), here’s a link for a good laugh. Colbert just absolutely embarrASSed O’Lielly on Billy’s own show. This was much like the Press Dinner Colbert did last year, where the subject of Colbert’s sarcasm was clueless as to how they were really being ass-kicked. Frickin’ genius, man.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....ly-factor/
Forcing Fitzgerald to burn a peremptory, already starting with fewer than the defense. Not fair and balanced at all.
Argh. Intelligent. My bad.
Pachacutec @ 71
“Principal” is correct; it means “primary” as well as the school guy.
i was once up for jury selection here in l.a. several years ago, it was a case involving some sort of gang violence. one of the potential female jurors admitted that gangs were a problem in her neighborhood and it also turned out that she had two young sons. when asked if this would keep her from being impartial she said, “no”. now everyone had been attesting to their ability to be fair - and i think that’s great and all - and maybe she really did think that it wouldn’t color her judgment, but i almost smacked my head at that one. i don’t know if she ultimately made it or not. i got bounced when i said, yes, my experience as a crime victim would indeed effect my ability to be impartial (you should have seen the shock on the lawyer’s faces at that one).
Pachacutec @ 15
Not necessarily. Many Judges do not dismiss jurors immediately after they say the magic words that get them excused; they do not want the others in the panel to learn what will get then off the jury.
I suspect that after the entire panel has been questioned and it comes to the actual jury selection, Fitz will get another opportunity to ask the Judge not to seat the young defense lawyer who obviously is trying to get on the jury before he needs to use a preemptory strike. (at least that is likely what would happen in the SD Florida)
Heh. I already changed it to “main characters.” Because it’s late and my head hurts, and this probably reads better anyway.
Pachacutec (61) — actually, I’d disagree with that point; bloggers actually do have a lot of people telling them what stories to write or cover.
If you weren’t covering the right one, you wouldn’t see the traffic you’re getting, for starters. The comments would also reflect a disconnect.
The difference is that this is a highly organic process, not a hierarchical organization with profit motives that come before information.
Pachacutec @ 70
Pach,
Thank you for your response, but mostly, THANK YOU for what you are doing. My father was a Texas State District judge and aside from the many interesting cases he had, its hard to sit there all day and digest this and still write about it at the end of the day. My best thoughts to all of you (and how exciting it must be to see Fitz in person)!! He has such a quiet confidence in himself and that is what comes across when I see him on the news. Nighty night from The Woodlands, Texas.
bushworstpresidentever @ 78
No jurors in this case witness the questioning of any other juror, nor are they allowed to discuss their voir dire with each other.
Pachacutec @ 52
I trust your (first) impressions. You have demonstrated that you posess a quick and penetrating mind and you are very perceptive.
Kinky he is!
Pachacutec @ 71
Yeah, I’m sure (’cause I always thought of the school principal, too, and really had to bend my brain to extend the term). That’s why the main man/woman at school is called the Principal. (And BTW, I’m really impressed at how you write. Absolutely, keep it up).
Pach: “all this fishing about the war, and potential jurors’ attitudes towards it, may be helping Team Libby weed out some otherwise honest jurors who could and would do a fine, fair job.”
That’s exactly what they want to do, and in that they are not an exception (although I would instinctively suspect them of foul play). Lawyers on either side of a case don’t see it as their job to get a fair jury; they see it as their job to win the case (presumably by acting within the rules).
How would you like to be a defendant in a death penalty case where the prosecution tries to weed out anyone who doesn’t love the death penalty (thus also weeding out anyone who is capable of anything other than black-and-white, all-or-none thinking or capable of having intelligent doubt about their own conclusions)?
Trying to visualize sausage production. :)
Principle = as in rule
I live by good principles, i.e. rules.
principal = as in ‘pal’ of a principal
I have a pal of a principal.
cspan has today’s Leahy hearing with Abu on now…
With regard to the youngish lawyer, would it have been appropriate for Fitzgerald to have asked, given his answers about associations with defendant and witnesses, if he had discussed his jury service notice with his fiance and boss, and about the implications of such service?
Because, if someone wanted a hung jury, he’d be the one with the most motivation to do it (personal advancement).
Well, my answer was late as usual. Too slow typing I guess.
‘Case you haven’t got to it, the opposite of ‘former’ is ‘latter’.
As a filthy foreigner, from a land where voir dire extends to a single question — “Can you give a fair hearing to both the Crown and the defence?” — I wince at the process of jury selection, particularly in a city like DC that’s divided between a small, mainly-white political class and a large, mainly non-white population that hates Bush.
It appears that Bush and Cheney have guaranteed Scooter a more favourable jury, simply by ensuring that at least two-thirds of the pool is predisposed to think of them as lying bastards.
Hey Pach, great job today, thanks for applying yourself with great vigor to this task. Please tell David Schuster he has a Number One Fan on the Left Coast….
Have there been any Jimmy Jeff Gannon Guckert sightings or perhaps any agents from Talon News? (Perhaps Gucky might wish to serve as a juror!)
Re: seeing Fitz in person.
Once the jurors remaining in the pool all entered the court room at the end of the day, all eyes from the attorneys tables were cast to the rear of the courtroom, to the benches, where the jurors sat to get an update on the process from Judge Walton.
I was sitting on the prosecutor’s side of the room, opposite the jurors.
I was watching everyone in the room, as one of two journalists present. Twice I made dead on eye contact with Fitz. He sustained a look right back at me, or through me, whatever.
Some enchanted evening. . .
Ahem.
Anyway, I have no idea why he seemed to be looking right at me, more than once. Maybe he did not recognize me: he probably knows who all the other reporters are. Or maybe he was just blankly thinking and staring out. It’s not always easy to tell with him.
He tugs his ear sometimes when he’s thinking.
Interestingly, he neither avoided looking at the jurors nor did he try to do the smile and smarm from across the room. Jeffress is a kind of regular smirk and smile guy, always quietly chuckling to himself about something, and he was smiling at the jury pool. Wells, too, though I find his attempts at charm quite forced. Libby was facing them but looking slightly downward, not pushing eye contact, but not hiding his face. I thought perhaps he was trying to look humble, not pleading, not proud, and not so. . . immediate as potential direct eye contact might have come across.
Fitzy just comes across like a very straight arrow who is not unkind but definitely focused on his job at hand.
montag @ 88
All of that was covered.
TRex @ 72
Ha…just noticed this on the wires today. Apparently they dusted off trusty Rich Little for the White House Correspondent’s Dinner this year to avoid another “Colbert Incident”:
“Little said organizers of the event made it clear they don’t want a repeat of last year’s controversial appearance by Stephen Colbert, whose searing satire of President Bush and the White House press corps fell flat and apparently touched too many nerves.
“They got a lot of letters,” Little said Tuesday. “I won’t even mention the word ‘Iraq.’”
Little, who hasn’t been to the White House since he was a favorite of the Reagan administration, said he’ll stick with his usual schtick — the imp