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	<title>Comments on: Libby Trial Day Two:  About the Media</title>
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		<title>By: kalkaino</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/17/libby-trial-day-two-about-the-media/#comment-462323</link>
		<dc:creator>kalkaino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nellieh,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Pach is doing a good job and I &lt;em&gt;generally&lt;/em&gt; like his writing. But some of the post above is really, really silly and he should be told to cut it out. I meant it in the spirit of the veteran’s advice to the rookie: ‘When you get to the end zone, act like you’ve been there before.’ That is, don’t write treacly BS like: “I’ve always known our national reporters are hardworking diligent people….” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Uhh, since when? Brave, clean thrifty and reverent too, I’ll bet. Of course I don’t know, since they’re not my “new friends.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I haven’t heard “you don’t order the volunteer help around.” If you can’t order ‘em around, they ain’t much good as help. What I have heard (and observed to be, not perfectly, but all-too true)is ‘Volunteers, worth what you pay for them.’&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nellieh,</p>
<p>I think Pach is doing a good job and I <em>generally</em> like his writing. But some of the post above is really, really silly and he should be told to cut it out. I meant it in the spirit of the veteran’s advice to the rookie: ‘When you get to the end zone, act like you’ve been there before.’ That is, don’t write treacly BS like: “I’ve always known our national reporters are hardworking diligent people….” </p>
<p>Uhh, since when? Brave, clean thrifty and reverent too, I’ll bet. Of course I don’t know, since they’re not my “new friends.”</p>
<p>I haven’t heard “you don’t order the volunteer help around.” If you can’t order ‘em around, they ain’t much good as help. What I have heard (and observed to be, not perfectly, but all-too true)is ‘Volunteers, worth what you pay for them.’</p>
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		<title>By: Nellieh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/17/libby-trial-day-two-about-the-media/#comment-462218</link>
		<dc:creator>Nellieh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-461978&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kalkaino @ 132 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pach,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry to rain on your parade, but it seems to me that you’re there to do a “synopsis of the nitty gritty” and not to get all gee-willickers about what standup-guys the reporters are, nor to rave about how historic it is that you, superblogger are “crashing the gate.” What a masturbatory load. You’re inside and we’re not. We get it. Now get back to work please. And no more such bloviating. Jesus wept!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is your problem? Haven’t you heard you don’t order volunteer help around. If I were him I would close my laptop and go home.&lt;br /&gt;
Pach You are doing a fine job and when there isn’t something concrete about selection happening please write what ever you want. Probably all of us but one will read it and probably enjoy it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-461978"><em>kalkaino @ 132 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Pach,</p>
<p>Sorry to rain on your parade, but it seems to me that you’re there to do a “synopsis of the nitty gritty” and not to get all gee-willickers about what standup-guys the reporters are, nor to rave about how historic it is that you, superblogger are “crashing the gate.” What a masturbatory load. You’re inside and we’re not. We get it. Now get back to work please. And no more such bloviating. Jesus wept!</p>
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<p>What is your problem? Haven’t you heard you don’t order volunteer help around. If I were him I would close my laptop and go home.<br />
Pach You are doing a fine job and when there isn’t something concrete about selection happening please write what ever you want. Probably all of us but one will read it and probably enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>By: JoyB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/17/libby-trial-day-two-about-the-media/#comment-462002</link>
		<dc:creator>JoyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Boy, at first I thought, “Dang Troll,” but I read your blog Kalkaino, and loved your attack on Hitchens.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But don’t you think you might be being harsh with Pach? I feel like I did get inside with Pach’s liveblogging.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, at first I thought, “Dang Troll,” but I read your blog Kalkaino, and loved your attack on Hitchens.</p>
<p>But don’t you think you might be being harsh with Pach? I feel like I did get inside with Pach’s liveblogging.</p>
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		<title>By: kalkaino</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/17/libby-trial-day-two-about-the-media/#comment-461978</link>
		<dc:creator>kalkaino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pach,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry to rain on your parade, but it seems to me that you’re there to do a “synopsis of the nitty gritty” and not to get all gee-willickers about what standup-guys the reporters are, nor to rave about how historic it is that you, superblogger are “crashing the gate.” What a masturbatory load. You’re inside and we’re not. We get it. Now get back to work please. And no more such bloviating. Jesus wept!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pach,</p>
<p>Sorry to rain on your parade, but it seems to me that you’re there to do a “synopsis of the nitty gritty” and not to get all gee-willickers about what standup-guys the reporters are, nor to rave about how historic it is that you, superblogger are “crashing the gate.” What a masturbatory load. You’re inside and we’re not. We get it. Now get back to work please. And no more such bloviating. Jesus wept!</p>
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		<title>By: Rosie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/17/libby-trial-day-two-about-the-media/#comment-461946</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-461804&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Wigwam @ 128 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush has the power of  the presidential pardon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, as already noted, a pardon would create numerous problems for Bushco.  Libby remains vulnerable regardless.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-461804"><em>Wigwam @ 128 </em></a></p>
<p>Bush has the power of  the presidential pardon.</p>
<p>But, as already noted, a pardon would create numerous problems for Bushco.  Libby remains vulnerable regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/17/libby-trial-day-two-about-the-media/#comment-461925</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Then perhaps I can go back to putting food on my family.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;here’s something that’s really bothering me;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the president is actually adding phrases and words to the english language as if he’s some kind of lingual icon&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you right there, even in jest, are “puttinh food on your family”, I hear people starting to pronounce ‘new que liar” with pride, and of course we all go on “the internets” and use “the google”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;sick stuff when someone who can’t speak the language has such an impact on vocabulary&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Then perhaps I can go back to putting food on my family.</p>
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<p>here’s something that’s really bothering me;</p>
<p>the president is actually adding phrases and words to the english language as if he’s some kind of lingual icon</p>
<p>you right there, even in jest, are “puttinh food on your family”, I hear people starting to pronounce ‘new que liar” with pride, and of course we all go on “the internets” and use “the google”</p>
<p>sick stuff when someone who can’t speak the language has such an impact on vocabulary</p>
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		<title>By: GrandmaJ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/17/libby-trial-day-two-about-the-media/#comment-461812</link>
		<dc:creator>GrandmaJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cleter at 105 said&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Don’t panic. The banana slug Congress brought down Nixon. And these guys are lazier, sloppier, and dumber than Nixon’s crew&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Isn’t it pretty much the same bunch?  Or am I thinking about Reagan?  These idiots are on their third bite of the corruption apple.  They need to be recycled out of D.C.  post haste&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cleter at 105 said</p>
<blockquote><p>Don’t panic. The banana slug Congress brought down Nixon. And these guys are lazier, sloppier, and dumber than Nixon’s crew</p>
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<p>Isn’t it pretty much the same bunch?  Or am I thinking about Reagan?  These idiots are on their third bite of the corruption apple.  They need to be recycled out of D.C.  post haste</p>
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		<title>By: Wigwam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/17/libby-trial-day-two-about-the-media/#comment-461804</link>
		<dc:creator>Wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-461712&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rosie @ 119&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Old Coastie said: &lt;em&gt;oh yeah, VG - he’s got a wife and a couple kids… that’s part of what makes all this “go to jail for the one you love” business so much more bizarre… why would you do that to your kids? your wife? very strange.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Frank P. said: &lt;em&gt;I don’t think he could have cut a deal and avoided jail time. The rumor was that Fitz wanted “serious” jail time with any deal that Libby got. I don’t think Fitz likes liars. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;***********************&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fitzgerald, according to the Chicago press, particularly hates it when lawyers lie.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And it &lt;em&gt;is &lt;/em&gt; puzzling that a guy (Libby) with relatively young kids would throw himself on the grenade.  He might think Bushco will ultimately protect him (as noted, the people fund-raising for him are real hard hitters).  Or he might just be that loyal and his wife might respect that loyalty.  His background is Totally Company Man.  She can’t be that surprised.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush has the power of  the presidential pardon.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-461712"><em>Rosie @ 119</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Old Coastie said: <em>oh yeah, VG &#8211; he’s got a wife and a couple kids… that’s part of what makes all this “go to jail for the one you love” business so much more bizarre… why would you do that to your kids? your wife? very strange.</em></p>
<p>Frank P. said: <em>I don’t think he could have cut a deal and avoided jail time. The rumor was that Fitz wanted “serious” jail time with any deal that Libby got. I don’t think Fitz likes liars. </em></p>
<p>***********************</p>
<p>Fitzgerald, according to the Chicago press, particularly hates it when lawyers lie.  </p>
<p>And it <em>is </em> puzzling that a guy (Libby) with relatively young kids would throw himself on the grenade.  He might think Bushco will ultimately protect him (as noted, the people fund-raising for him are real hard hitters).  Or he might just be that loyal and his wife might respect that loyalty.  His background is Totally Company Man.  She can’t be that surprised.</p>
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<p>Bush has the power of  the presidential pardon.</p>
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		<title>By: annx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/17/libby-trial-day-two-about-the-media/#comment-461799</link>
		<dc:creator>annx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry hope this link works to the Nation article&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?bid=3&amp;pid=158370&quot;&gt;LinktoNationArticle&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry hope this link works to the Nation article</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?bid=3&amp;pid=158370">LinktoNationArticle</a></p>
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		<title>By: oregondave</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/17/libby-trial-day-two-about-the-media/#comment-461797</link>
		<dc:creator>oregondave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Damn, Pach —  so well written. As usual. Thanks so much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, Pach —  so well written. As usual. Thanks so much.</p>
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