
First of all, rather than do a full synopisis of the day's nitty gritty, let me refer you to the comment threads here and here, and to these articles at MSNBC, the Washington Post and the AP from today. I'll have more updates in the morning to kick off tomorrow's jury selection live blogging. I have to say, the process of watching each juror open up, each personality pop out, is a lot of fun, and often, really entertaining. I don't even have room or time to type it all up. For a flavor, check out those comment threads I link above.
As a blogger entering what is arguably the inner sanctum of Washington DC political reporting, credentialed to cover the Libby trial from inside the courtroom, I'm quite aware I'm helping blaze a new "crashing the gate" trail. In some ways, it's surreal, but then again, I feel at home in the work, though I never imagined this for myself or even aspired to do it.
Because Judge Walton does not want jurors to feel overwhelmed by the presence of the press during their questioning, only two pool reporters, rotating in shifts, are in the courtroom at any given time. The rest of us are in a separate room with closed circuit television of the proceedings. It works.
I've always known our national reporters are hardworking, diligent people who do work we in the blogosphere don't uniformly do well, even as I've offered sometimes blistering criticism. In the blogosphere, we're not trained or supported with the resources necessary to do investigative reporting, and most of us do not conceive of ourselves as reporters. I consider myself more of an analyst and commentator than a reporter, though I have broken a wee story or two, nailing down quotes in interviews, in my time. But I'm not nearly as good at getting the hard quotes right in real time as are my colleagues in the media room at the courthouse. It's not my training, and anyway, I'm not by personality that diligent with detail. I'm not bad, I'm just not. . . anal, and I mean that as a compliment.
At the same time, there's a reason why this particular gate has been crashed. We who live, write and think outside the culture of governmental Washington, in which I include the national political press, have been immune to the particular groupthink that infects our governing class, a groupthink that not only led our media establishment to marginalize all dissent in the runup to the Iraq invasion, but which also prevented our national media from seeing the Libby/Plame story as it is for quite some time. In the persons of Bob Woodward and Judith Miller, both the Washington Post and the New York Times famously and publicly shamed themselves during the course of this story, and that shame will be revisited through sworn testimony before the trial is over.
This trial, though it is narrowly about alleged perjury and obstruction of justice, functions like a Rosetta Stone to display so much of what has been wrong with our national establishment so far in this young century. More of those details will emerge – the scandalous coziness with those in authority, the institutional inability to see the world from a point of view that did not fundamentally favor the reigning GOP Washington establishment – and I won't pick apart what's left of our governing elites' remaining credibility in this post. I will say that, in many regards, members of the establishment media have begun to rediscover the storyline.
But why was that storyline ever lost? I said as I began my coverage of this voir dire process that I would inform my coverage by my perspective as one with a doctorate in psychology. Accordingly, my take is that, fundamentally, this has been a human phenomenon, as well as an institutional one, or a story of some fourth estate institutions that lost their way by fundamentally losing sight of their core missions in society, as opposed to their fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders and to their business managers. These are not bad people, for the most part (just as many bloggers are hardworking, professional people who not only throw sharp elbows, but sustain a passion for telling the truth), but these are and have been failing institutions, animated by a culture in DC that became overly enamored of the idea of its own inherent wisdom to make judgments.
We in the blogosphere have some structural advantages over my new friends, or at least, my new acquaintances, in the press room. We don't have to rush to deadline. We have time to think, to reflect, to connect the dots before writing. We're not always as good at the immediate who, what, where, and when, but we're also sometimes better at the why, precisely because we're not as close to the action. That's counterintuitive for our nation's reporters, but it seems true, at least in some very notable instances. Understanding the why helps us see the big picture of the story that closer review can conceal.
Is this a fundamental, enduring advantage? I don't know. We've certainly done better on the big picture of the Libby story and the Plame investigation. Murray Waas, who is not popular among DC insiders, has done better even on the investigative details, though some established journalists who have known him harbor powerful negative feelings about him. Still, on some major stories like the Plame investigation and the Arkansas Project before it, all of his work has really held up.
So, there I am in the press room, mostly warmly greeted, though by some, perhaps, merely cordially tolerated. My presence is something of an implicit criticism of the national media establishment: sites like this one thrived in the vacuum created by the failures of our establishment press. I don't know, and don't dare predict, what the future holds in a world where bloggers have courtroom credentials to the Libby trial and where all the establishment media outlets are rushing to establish blogs (sometimes "blogs") of their own. I can say I'm learning a lot, perhaps more than I can yet quantify or articulate from my experience in the mixing bowl, though if the result of this odd admixture is the recapturing of the storyline of what's actually happening in the use of power by government in this country, with a resulting, enduring openness to the world of voices outside of Washington, DC, then I'm more than glad to play some small part in it.
Then perhaps I can go back to putting food on my family.
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Well, on a Libby thread ya gotta Fitz.
You’re doing a helluva job, Pach!
Thanks again, Pach, for all your liveblogging. It’s been amazing to have you there, giving us the play-by-play, as it were.
watertiger @ 1
I meant that in the non-Bushian way, of course.
Good for you Pach! Thanks from all of us who can’t be there. Sometimes a fresh viewpoint reveals things that get missed.
Holding the media’s feet to the fire will be of some help I believe. No professional likes to realize that he’s been bested in his specialty by an amateur… and when it’s a reporter who comes to realize that he’s been regurgitating the pap he was fed it’s got to be doubly distasteful.
Pachacutec!!!
Pach- I don’t have that much time to spend at FDL (semester just beginning), so all I have been able to do is scan through comments, reading mostly only your comments on the jury selection, which I have found fascinating. This is a great post, a very thoughtful one, which I assume has been brewing in your brain as you have sat watching the proceedings.
Pach- I was struck by the incident you related where Wells tried to get a potential juror to promise that she would be fair. I kinda half absorbed your comment, and the comments of others, but I would really like to know more about this incident- your recollections and views. I hope you know what I am referring to, so that I don’t have to go back and find the links.
But, watertiger, boosh said “heckuva”– he saves his filthy mouth and vitriol for the Constitution, the Congress, the People, his rivals, his “axis of evil” and anyone that dares to disagree, and probably for Laura and Barney.
Pach– thank you for your work!
VG:
I take the metro home and the meta stuff begins to come together.
I don’t feel I have to compete with some of the establishment media people, who have frankly been better at ailing down some of the quotes and anecdotes accurately. It’s harder for me to liveblog and take accurate notes, posting and writing/answering questions simultaneously.
But I think my particular, unique role comes from some ability to provide an outsider’s perspective from a big picture point of view. It’s frankly what I get paid for in my consulting life, and it’s what I’m best at.
Thanks for being there for us Pach, it almost feels like we’re all there experiencing this with you. It’s really thrilling to know that we don’t have to rely on the msm for their take on it.
BTW, any sighting of Byron York’s hair in the media room? Haven’t read anything from him yet though I admit, I haven’t really gone digging for it.
Valley Girl @ 8
In my view, Wells really did not want this juror, but could not get her to her (as i recall, “her”) to say anything that would support a motion to strike for cause.
Now, he could use a peremptory on her, but he may have others he wants to nuke first. Every juror at this point is still a potential juror. So, he wanted to try, as a kind of safety net, to establish a kind of personal connection to this juror, a “wedding vow,” to help him get a little more benefit of the doubt in her mind on Libby’s behalf, in case she makes it to the jury.
That was my opinion. Still, it stood out as a tactic.
Good Work Pach. But putting food ‘on your family’ is just…too… messy I think. They can probably eat however they normally do.
I have been surprised at how interesting the snapshots of the jurors is, seeing them through your eyes. Thanks for the running commentary and for the insight.
And if I were there, I don’t believe it would be in me to be polite after all their toadying up to Bush, Rove etc. etc. I cannot stomach them. Even people like David Corn who supposedly is on our side.
York is not there.
Great in-depth analysis and writing, Pach. Much preferable to mere courtroom stenography, which we can get elsewhere. I’m glad we have your eyes and ears in the courthouse.
pach,
as i said yesterday, i think you’re breaking some historic ground here — a well-informed and insightful blogger doing the blow-by-blow account (what we call the tick-tock) of a major trial that will in its way define the administration, that also has national implications for both the government and the media.
and you’ve been doing it wonderfully well. this is what is meant by the first draft of history — when the trial is over, you and whoever else writes account for fdl will have the stuff of a truly gripping book.
Pachacutec @ 12
As I remember from the comments at the time, this stood out to other FDlers as a “tactic” also- but one that seemed really objectionable- as if a potential juror had to “make a wedding vow” (good phase there) that she had to make some specific promise to him (Wells). Do you happen to remember what she said in response? It just seemed to me that Wells was trying to undercut her, and the whole assumption of innocent until proven guilty- probably doesn’t apply to jury selection, but it should.
Just curious, Pach: Have you ever worked as a jury selection expert? I know some psychologists to that.
OT – joey scarborough predicts war with Iran
I don’t think it’s off topic at all!
twolf1 @
19
er, some psychologists do that.
Pach, thanks for the glimpse inside the courtroom. You’re doing a great job & I can’t wait until tomorrow. Catch you in the morning.
Peace
She promised as requested when Wells asked for it.
Oh, and I’ve never studied to become expert in jury selection; that’s not my professional niche. I have heard, and David Shuster has reported, that both sides have body language experts in the courtroom for voir dire.
This is really historic. Is this getting archived somewhere?
Who’s gonna liveblog the impeachment, when that glorious day arrives?
twolf1 @ 19
This issue is beginning to churn in the complicit media establishment like the Iraq war did. PresentationsionsSmatterings here and there like Scarborough
cleter @ 24
Interesting first question. I have seen comments to the effect that transcriptions of the actual trial will be available, but wonder about voir dire. As Pach has indicated, he was holding back on details that might id the particular prospective jurors.
Excellent job Pachacutec – have been lovin’ your posts – not that any of us are surprised – your liveblogging provided many You Are There moments
me! me! pick me ! b/c when that glorious day arrives, I’ll sit on a Republican’s lap to liveblog that one
Thanks Pach! Great job these last 2 days. As I noted this afternoon, fdl’s live blogging at this trial is a really transformative event, not only because we (as readers) are also able to actively engage (comment, ask questions), but also because other experts here are also adding points -Christy for example. It is a far cry from the monodimensional talking head on the nightly news, or, the msm high status journalist, who is actively sought out by the administration (and newspaper advertisers) to get a particular point across.
what Pach said.
truly one of the best descriptions of the emerging information culture. and the reasons for the labrea tarpit fate of those you’re sharing a courtroom with.
names, please, pach. you’ve agreed to keep the jurors anonymous but i’d like some dish on the players. or need we wait until you rotate out?
oToday, Pach reminded me of the guys who report the PGA Classics. Like a low voice in the background commenting on a golfers stance.
Ink worshipper, trailblazing blogger.
How kewl is that?
Richmond:
It’s been a lot of fun, and real attention and focus challenge. I have pages of a Word document with my notes on potential jurors, so once I know who makes the cut, I have something of a little dossier on who is there deciding the fate of the case.
At the same time, I’m trying to pick out salient nuggets and quotes for liveblogging, and respond to questions and comments in the threads. It’s a multitasking bonanza. I lose all track of time. But there’s no question, it’s a kind of rush, however draining.
OT, but I’m also seeing something else happening today. Gonzales seems to have caved on domestic spying, and both key Republicans and Dems are pressing hard against the Bush administration. For the first time, I actively see the tide as changing administratively. The election was key, but I think there are other factors too. Hopefully we can put the breaks on a major Iraq war increase – and of course any Iran invations, but I think the writing is on the wall for the Bush-Cheney thugs, and alot of the heat is coming from within their party. Hegel saying “this is not a monarchy” speaks volumes in this respect, as does the willingness of newspapers not to run the “canned” Bush speech photo.
Hey- my implicit question was errr too implicit. Pach, is it safe to assume that there will be no public transcripts of voir dire?
raven @
20
“salivates over” = “predicts”
?
TSF: Actually, in that sense, maybe I’m a bit coopted.
I’m respecting the “fourth wall” of the banter in the media room. People talk and react in real time off the record, people who work for competing outlets help each other with missed details, etc. I’m not there to be an asshole or play gotcha with their unguarded moments, though, truth be told, there’s nothing I’ve had to sit on that I felt was at all notable or meaningful.
There’s no news to be told, really, about these people in the media room, and as I’m there I’m talking and building dialogue. Even this post is in some measure targeted to the people I will see tomorrow morning.
Pachacutec @ 32
Very impressive. I have to pull off the road to honk the horn and here you are, writing Latin with your right hand, Farsi with your left while whistling Harper Valley PTA!
Valley Girl @ 34
Yes, I think so. These people’s identities, which in some cases surface during query, are private. The public has no right to know who they are. The public has an interest that justice is served and the trial is a fair one, as far as the legal system is concerned.
Apologies for EPU. It is a roughly on-topic pick-up from emptywheel’s earlier post on the media.
We see a lot about the “journalist’s privilege,” or “shield law” which I believe is critical to a free press. However, the corporate media does not seem to understand what it is. In Turley’s case, he blows several other things as well.
This is an edited version of what a more objective Turley alter-ego may have written.
Jonathan Turley, Salon:
Turley either threw up a brick, is thick as one, or both.
Most of these bozos do not understand the difference between witnessing a crime (or participating in one for that matter) as opposed to being informed of something newsworthy by a source/whistleblower etc. Some (Russert, Judy Knee-pads) are pretending not to know while they make disingenuous arguments to avoid facing the issue.
No journalist should ever reveal, or be forced to reveal a source of information. Public policy must protect whistleblowers and journalists from government interference, censorship and reprisals.
Judy Miller was not protecting a whistle blower, far from it.
Her situation was no different than someone calling the NYT and saying, “hey I’m going to rob a bank in six hours, get a few people killed and cause millions of $$ in damage — come watch and take pictures!”
In the “come watch me I’m going to commit a felony situation (or “come join me let’s commit a felony example), there is no privilege. Scooter Libby and Karl Rove invited journalists to watch them commit, at a minimum, espionage and may have possibly asked (*cough* Miller/Novak *cough*) others to co-conspire or be accessories after-the-fact. THESE ARE NOT THE ACTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC POLICY DEMANDS A JOURNALISTIC PRIVILEGE — NOR WILL THESE TYPES OF SCENARIOS EVER RECEIVE PRIVILEGED STATUS.
The lack of privilege for journalists in the Libby perjury trial is similar to the lack of privilege that will exist even in an attorney and client relationship despite an otherwise far more absolute “attorney-client privilege.”
For instance, if (hypothetically) a high-ranking GOP official comes into my office and says “I received a bribe from Halliburton and I’m being investigated for tax evasion, what do I do?” That statement is privileged and I, in the course of my representation and within the dictates of the Rules of Professional Conduct, may not reveal that conversation nor will/can a court so compel me.
However, if the same sleazy Republican official comes into my office with the Halliburton officers and solicits a bribe from them (with me sitting at the conference table) to scuttle another oversight hearing, and then turns to me and asks me to “please launder these greenbacks in your trust account so I can hide them from the IRS,” then nothing about that conversation is covered by the attorney/client privilege.
In fact, I will need to disclose the fact that I witnessed – and was then asked to act in furtherance — of several felonies.
slainte,
cl
Pach- another question- you said very little about Fitz’s questions, and mostly reported on those of Wells and Jefress. Can you give us more of an impression about Fitz? And, did Fitz soley question jurors, or were there Team Fitz questions also?
I think Pach being there is a very addictive reality show in real time. I haven’t been this excited since the last season of Soprano’s. Add that to live comments, links to pictures of the courthouse, the MSM’s role in reporting while being on trial at the same time….well, it was just perfect until Jane got sick.
Good post, the mainstream media has failed many of us who now turn to the blogosphere and our own research skills for news.
I personally am lazy enough that I would prefer a news source I could trust to cover what’s important and do so in a way that is thoughtful and in depth. I’m not expecting perfection but as I pointed out earlier today, the NYT had 2 articles today, a bio of Libby and one on botched hangings of Nazis, that were on their web frontpage and yet filled with both bias and sloppy research. That’s not an encouraging sign.
The Libby case is instructive in part because as Pach points out it shows just how unprofessional much of the press has been. And though I like Froomkin, I really have to question the distinction he tried to make in his column yesterday between bloggers and professional journalists. You have good bloggers and bad ones. You have good journalists and bad ones. What cachet “professional” adds to the description is beyond me, and, given the events surrounding the Libby trial, it is one I suspect that most journalists are not eager to delve into.
I cherish your perspective, Pach.
Richmond @ 33
I noticed that too. With the election, the “Rove is an invulnerable, unstoppable evil genius” meme was forever broken. Rove is now the failure-besmirched dumbass who lost congress. A corollary to the “Rove is a genius” model is the idea that the administration is made up of bold, tough, street fighters who will mess you up if you take them on. I think, just as they are not as smart as they were supposed to be, they are also not as tough as they are reputed to be. In some instances, sure, they’ll viciously fight back. But sometimes, I think if you actually punch them, they’ll fall to the floor screaming “owwie!” and blubbering. Nobody has actually opposed this administration in a long time. Gonzales is no Mitchell. I think he’ll be blubbering before too long.
Richmond @ 33
this is no cave at all. see greenwald’s post on this. aptly enough, he’s titled it “nothing to celebrate.”
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/
Pach, Thanks for doing this. I can’t check in during the day, and it’s great knowing that I can come here afterwards and not only read the play by play, but get a nice wrap up.
It feels that way from this end, too. You are good. And reading, it feels like you feel at home. At one; some zen thing.
A ‘virtual’ eye (and the rest of the senses, plus informed ‘intuition’) for the rest of us.
Bravo!
OT about Gonzales and warrantless wiretapping. Here’s the actual letter he sent today:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/p…..Letter.pdf
I am not sure what to make of this. It could be a backdown, a sort of we were doing nothing wrong, officer, and we won’t do it again. OTOH, it could be we have found a FISA judge who is willing to OK this cr*p so we’re willing to drop the program name as long as we’re able to keep doing what we were doing. The problem is that I don’t believe FISA sanctions the kind of block or mass surveillance that the Administration’s Terrorist Surveillance Program was using. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. A third possibility is that they have found a workaround (possibly involving a third country). Finally, someone may have noticed that the intelligence they have developed out of this is zero and so they canned the operation. This last is unlikely because in this Administration the fact that something doesn’t work has never stopped them before.
ccmask @
30
good analogy
Valley Girl @ 40
Fitz did all the questioning from the prosecution side. This is possibly because the team with him in the courtroom, as opposed to his whole CIPA team, is small. But more fundamentally, he wants to establish some relationship or contact with each juror, because he ultimately will be the one asking them to convict.
I wrote less about his question because he had many fewer, and many simpler, questions.
From the beginnig, the standard Fitz questioning goes something like this:
- Do you watch television news?
0 Yes.
- What shows do you watch?
0 Oh, I watch channel five news at night before I walk my dogs.
- Have you seen any coverage about this case?
0 No.
- Are you familiar at all with the Sunday news program Meet the Press?
0 Yes, I’ve heard of it but I don’t watch it.
- You don’t watch it.
0 No, I don’t go for things like that.
- Are you familiar with the host of that program, Tim Russert?
0 I guess I’ve heard the name, but I don’t really know him. I mean, I’d probably know his face, but I never met him or anything like that.
- Do you have strong any opinions about Mr. Russert, positive or negative, that might lead you to favor or mistrust anything he had to say, if he were to be a witness in this case?
0 No.
- You believe you could be fair and impartial in your assessments if you were to see him give testimony here, even if, for example, what he had to say about something that happened was different, maybe even inconsistent, with something someone had to say about it?
0 Yes, i could be fair.
- He would not have a leg up or a strike against him, just because of who he is?
0 No, not at all.
- Thank you.
Then it would be Wells or Jeffress’ turn. This is just a snippet of a rather standard type of questioning. Fitz has been very brief with people, not fussing at them, really. He just folows up on something from their juror forms and mostly takes it easy, if they state they feel thyey can be fair and impartial.
watertiger @ 2
The Nefarious Leslie @ 3
Yes, indeed, thank you for the work your doing. I believe the truth will come out and this form of reporting will force the thruth out. good luck.
Jane!!!!
Pach @50. Wow. Thanks for that detailed response. It looks like Fitz is saying to the prospective jurors “I trust you”. And, if he doesn’t, he’s not going to get into it at this point, but rather save it for later, during whatever challenges are available. On the latter, what is your sense of this? Am I correct, or no?
Oilfieldguy @ 37
Valley Girl @ 53
Yes, exactly. That’s his unspoken message.
Hugh @ 48
I commented this way about it over at Glenn’s place:
cleter @
24
70% of the whole goddamn country, that’s who. At least, those of us with computers. They’re going to have to make it a national holiday. I’m already planning to skip all my classes the day Cheney testifies.
not at this stage anyway.
hokey but true, I keep thinking of Homer Hickham at the Science Fair in October Sky – also “cordially tolerated” by Kewl Kidz
– this is a competitive bunch and sooner or later, just through FDL osmosis, you are going to know something they don’t – a fact, a connection, a piece of narrative, and some will come away from the experience with revised opinions about who we are and what we do:)
dmg @
16
I absolutely agree. I think this is a watershed event for a type of sychronous reporting, analysis and commentary (SRAC?) that deserves it’s own definition.
Pach — why didn’t you listen to this guy while you had the chance?
neokneme @
60
Wow, neokneme…that’s a flash from the past. Nicely done.
cbl:
Though I’m no Plameologist, I’ve already had one occasion to do a Columbo over a detail with our friend David Shuster over something written by someone else at MSNBC. That led to bringing in David Corn as a fact witness who ended up supporting my point, though we had to dig around. The thing is, I find it better just to talk to people directly, preferably in a way they can hear, as a first line of approach. It worked in this case.
On another note, I showed the NYT reporter my snarky post from first thing this morning even before it went live, though he was not the author of the piece in question.
It was not pelasant for him, but I did it as a courtesy, a heads up, saying I’m not going to write anything anonymously I would not share with him or anyone else to his face. For all that, when I think it’s warranted, I can be pretty sharp face to face.
Pach-
I just have to say, it’s amazing to me that you say you haven’t done this before. Have you been to trials?
You have such a good feel for how the questions, answers, and general demeanor of the participants relate to the purposes of each legal party. I would have thought even a PhD shrink-type would need some legal experience to get that so well.
I am very impressed.
tejanarusa: I have very limited experience with courtrooms, but I am a social scientist/scientist of human behavior. At 40 I’m pretty experienced. I do what I can. I’m good at reading character and motive.
Hey Steelthing!!! I was thinking of you today! OFG: you funny.
Hey Pach, just because I am fascinated by this, I have another perhaps minor question. We’ve come to know Fitz as the tall man in the rumpled suit. My general impression is that TeamLibby lawyers are slicker in appearance and attitude. Is this your impression too? Or if not… etc. Seems to me that the modest presentation that Fitz has in words and appearance will be a good thing for connecting with the jurors.
pach,
fwiw, i don’t know that you need much in the way of snark. your real-time observations and analysis have been really good, really insightful, absolutely necessary — i’d hate it all to get discredited just because someone’s looking for a reason to dismiss it.
Mad Dogs #56,
The Administration always had the option of following the law or getting it changed. They didn’t bother. As the Iraq escalation has shown, they are not big on course changes. So I admit to being dubious how real this reported change by Gonzales is. The MSM have the tendency to report something has happened without looking too closely to see if something has indeed happened. So far, Gonzales sent a letter but its content can be interpreted in various ways. I am still waiting to see what it really means, if anything.
Pachacutec @ 64
WEll, what you do is obviously very good. I enjoyed your work today very much; looking forward to tomorrow. And thank you for taking it on!
I’ve been iced in on our Central Texas farm since Monday and was doing JUST FINE until we lost power early this morning. I started rationing my laptop battery use because I knew there would be Plame updates throughout the day and that it could be a long time before power was restored. I couldn’t even concentrate on crossword puzzles during the forced downtime…just felt like I missing out on something really important even though all I do is read/lurk here.
I’ve learned so much at this site.
“Simply put, we might be entering into a two-year period in which only the president’s veto pen keeps him relevant on domestic issues, and his foreign policy effectively begins and ends with Iraq.
Many months ago, this column asked if the American people were about to hit the mute button on Bush, or if they had simply stopped listening to him entirely. My hunch is that we have reached that point and that most Republican members of Congress realize it, and their own survival instincts will be the more dominant factor in their voting behavior, rather than fealty to their party leader.
With 21 Republican senators up for re-election in 2008, compared with 12 for the Democrats, and with far more GOP House members winning by narrow margins or greatly diminished margins in 2006, there will be a far greater likelihood that they will see the president’s new “in for a penny, in for a pound” Iraq strategy as an individual risk for them and a collective risk for their party that is simply not worth taking”
Charlie Cook
Pach, your talents are awesome. I can’t imagine you EVER as a j-school graduate. You would have gone nuts. You have your own talents and perspective to offer and they are invaluable. Off to donate to FDL in honor of you. Please rest.
Pachacutec @ 55
Interesting. We were told by a state judge in my CivPro class that complicated, way-out-there voir dire questions tend to piss people off, and may actually do more damage than good if that person ends up on the jury. For example, if you are the attorney who asks a white juror if he hates black people, it doesn’t matter what that juror’s answer is- he’s going to think you called him a racist in front of the judge, and he’s going to resent you AND YOUR CLIENT for that public insult, and he just might take that resentment out on you in deliberations, regardless of the merits of your client’s case.
I have not seen enough of the attorneys and Fitz in person to see if Wells and Jeffress come across as real slick. I see them in the cafeteria, and they don’t stand out to me that much.
Wells is tall, Jeffress short, and Libby maybe even more petit. Jeffress had the cafeteria sausage and peppers for lunch today. I was on line at the register right in front of him, and chatted riefly and without real importance to him about his menu choice, and then the pace of the jury selection process. Barbara Comstock actually has a very well coiffed look, though she ws brazen bold in a bright red woman’s business jacket.
Mad Dogs @
56
Absolutely,
Abu’s letter is nothing more than paper subterfuge to cover the furtive behavoir taken after committing criminal acts.
The letter is evidence, it is not progress.
slainte,
cl
Hugh – Thanks for posting a copy of the letter.
Going to buy another pillow for screaming into. These cretins are moving at light speed and congress moves like banana slug on a salt lick.
Pachacutec @
74
Somehow I missed the detail that Barbara Comstock was at the voir dire. Am I reading you correctly?
Hugh et al wrt Gonzo NSA –
In his non-testimony (no oath swearing in per Arlen) he was very careful to couch replies with the fence: “THIS program, which the president has discussed/confirmed.” Questions tiptoed and he danced about the existence of OTHER programs NOT in the public domain. Which could be the newer revelations we’ve seen, or the proverbial ‘player to be named later.’
In short, I don’t trust. I don’t know how to verify. etc.
In other news, looks like Dodd agress with Hugh’s assessment of AUMF as no longer applicable, The very same points:
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTer…..1714-8725r
last graph:
Sorry if that’s old news. Haven’t been able to keep up with fancy fingers in the court. Post and comments just keep flying. Like well aimed darts.
:~>
Comstock was there, she sits at the defense table taking furious notes, from what the in the courtroom pool person told me today. I saw her in the cafeteria, though our view of her on camera is obstructed.
ccmask @ 65
Funny? In what way?
Hugh @ 48
BushCo has it covered with this exNSA exBooz-Allen mexSAIC man
Profile: Michael McConnell
Michael McConnell’s nomination as head of Washington’s 16 spy agencies tops a long career serving the many instruments of US intelligence gathering.
I just hit the wall. G’night pups
Pachacutec @ 79
Oh, wow, that is very interesting. Do you think that she is trying to compile an MO re: the jurors to help Libby once they are selected, or to help with challenges, or what? I know that you can’t answer this based on what you’ve seen in voir dire, as to what she is up to. But, as an added question, has her presence been of any remark in the media room?
Steelthing @80: No, I meant OilFieldGuy was funny because at his #37 post response and I also added that I was thinking of you today :))
Some of what Bill Moyers had to say today about the media:
It seemed inexorable because over the previous two decades a series of mega-media mergers had swept the country, each deal even bigger than the last. The lobby representing the broadcast, cable, and newspaper industry is extremely powerful, with an iron grip on lawmakers and regulators alike. Both parties bowed to their will when the Republican Congress passed and President Clinton signed the Telecommunications Act of 1996. That monstrous assault on democracy, with malignant consequences for journalism, was nothing but a welfare giveaway to the largest, richest and most powerful media conglomerates in the world – Goliaths whose handful of owners controlled, commodified and monetized everyone, and everything, in sight.
Valley Girl @ 83
I honestly don’t know. I see her as a PR strategy person, but they may just want her impressions of people, because I don’t doubt she has a practiced eye for reading people. She’s very good at what she does, even if it is soulless and corrupt.
Pachacutec @ 62
Pach,
You’re smarter than that guy, and my guess is that most of who read and post here are smarter than him. That’s what galls them. Most of us have been around the block, and we know how to judge people by their works, as they say. It’s not connections, it’s what you write and how you think, and if it doesn’t cut muster, so be it. These guys haven’t had to face big time intellectual competition since they were in college. It’s tough for them.
Tough tittie.
Pach: I wanted to ask if all the other reporters in the room with you also have laptops and are you one of the only bloggers because you have an audience? I mean, can they all also blog the jury selection?
Knut: David Shuster is as sharp as anyone in the business, and I respect his work, which has been consistently above the rest, immensely.
way OT, but fdl relevant: future senator John Hall on CPSAN right now in an extended late-night discussion (renewable energy) on the floor with two other Dems.
Everyone, everyone has a laptop. Everyone. Except the maybe the WSJ guy, who it seems takes written notes.
Pach- Yep about Barbara Comstock. Did some research about her for Jane, a good while back. Are there any others at the defense table that we need to know about? Thanks so much for all of your answers to my questions. Your answers (and your blogging) have really helped me get a better picture of the mis en scene!
ccmask @ 84
OK. Thanks for the clarification. My blogging skills still need improvement.
Valley Girl @ 92
I don’t have the full rosters, but I hear Libby’s wife is there, too.
Pachacutec @
86
Um, she gets paid to sucker people, so I’d guess that she’s there to figure out which 12 people will be easiest to sucker.
Just one more chiming in to say I have been reading for at least an hour all the writing from today. Excellent Pach!!
Thank you so much. Sending money to FDL and abrazos to Jane, and all.
Pach- jeez- I never have even thought about Libby having a wife! I mean a lawful wife. I will try to google this, but perhaps someone else can provide details before I do!
Pachacutec @ 89
I agree that he’s very good, but when it comes to Plame coverage and the MSM, “above the rest”, even “immensely”, is faint praise.
late to the thead:
Murray Waas … some established journalists who have known him harbor powerful negative feelings about him.
pourquoi, in a nutshell?
Hugh @
68
They are lazy and sloppy and unused to opposition. We need to take advantage of this window and start pummeling.
I’m very glad you’re doing this, Pach. You’re good at it. Thank you.
okay, quick google: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Libby
Libby is married to Harriet Grant, a former staff lawyer for the Senate Judiciary Committee when chaired by Democratic Senator Joe Biden. Libby and Grant live in McLean, Virginia and have two children. [9] Libby’s sister, Sandra Libby, is married to John Rendon, head of The Rendon Group, the Washington public relations firm responsible for the creation of the Iraqi National Congress.~~~
Well, well, well- didn’t know about the connection with The Rendon Group before!!!!
Kind of OT, and maybe late to the party, but it looks like Sen Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) has come out against the “surge”. Maine’s other Repub Senator, Susan Collins, can’t be fair behind.
Valley Girl @ 97
oh yeah, VG – he’s got a wife and a couple kids… that’s part of what makes all this “go to jail for the one you love” business so much more bizarre… why would you do that to your kids? your wife? very strange.
Eureka Springs, AR @
76
Don’t panic. The banana slug Congress brought down Nixon. And these guys are lazier, sloppier, and dumber than Nixon’s crew.
OldCoastie @ 104
I don’t think he could have cut a deal and avoided jail time. The rumor was that Fitz wanted “serious” jail time with any deal that Libby got. I don’t think Fitz likes liars.
cleter- re: banana slug- do you have UCSC connections?
UCSC? Nope. University of Florida.
Frank Probst @
98
David has been right there understanding this story with us. He’s also a reader here. Say hello!
Pach,
Thank you for the vivid descriptions. When my mind stretches to wrap around this, the changes and implications, are overwhelming. It feels like something of a rebirth. A shift. A centering.
It’s like touching the best that humanity has to offer by reaching across cyberspace holding hands through the blogosphere and doing what works. Nothing more, nothing less. We are heading back to the center after hitting the peak from a hard swing to the right.
Thank you,
Mrs Scooter was a Biden staffer? Future former presidential candidate Biden? Plugs’n’Teeth Biden?
Caoimhin Laochdha @ 75 (as well as Hugh at 68)
The Rovian spin seen in Abu’s letter fuels my sometimes overly cynical mind to say that Junya and his criminal crew are hoping/trying to sweep this critter under the rug.
The old “no harm, no foul” gag, and doncha know that this cynical Rovian evaluation may actually hold up. *g*
Karl has probably politically analyzed the John Q. Public as well as the “conventional Democratic wisdom” response as the following:
1. Terrorists = bad.
2. Wiretap terrorists w/o warrants = good.
3. Wiretap me w/o warrants = didn’t happen since I’m not in jail, so no problemo!
I hope my cynicism is misplaced, but methinks this will fail to gain much traction in the Senate Intelligence Committee given the past timidity of that timorous beastie, John D. Rockefeller (D-WV) who is now Chairman.
Ladies and germs, I’m going to take my leave of you until the morning. Thanks for a fun day! Back at it tomorrow.
Arlen Specter wants to topple Odious Joe Lieberman as Most Repellent Man in Congress.
Nice work Arlen, who would have guessed you started out a lowly defense attorney defending murdering sleazebags like Ira Einhorn…
How far you have fallen.
-GSD
Thanks Pach!
Somebody should travel back in time and liveblog the Watergate hearings.
Pachacutec writes:
I think you’ve described one of the important differences here. The other, which you alluded to earlier, is that there is an inherent tension between doing journalism and making a buck, at least from the management’s perspective.
Being an engineer, I tend to look at things as a process, starting with requirements and ending with a product. Unfortunately, when the primary requirement is that your company makes more money than the others, it’s no surprise that journalism suffers. I’m reasonably certain that most of the folks who go to journalism school don’t go there so they can cover the latest missing white woman story. Some are undoubtedly less interested in serious work than others, but I’m reasonably sure that no one wants a job where he just finds good backdrops for a shot and otherwise just waits for the latest news conference at the police station. When the only real objective for a news organization is profit, the folks who are more motivated to do something serious with their careers will tend to go elsewhere over time.
In short, it’s an evolutionary process where survival depends on being as uninterested in real news as possible, so the folks who tend to survive in the business will quite often fit that profile.
That’s another advantage bloggers have – they’re doing what they’re really interested in, and are able to do it to the best of their abilities given their circumstances.
Joe Biden’s teeth are reportedly forming an exploratory committee.
-GSD
Perhaps Biden’s horse-dentures will choose the life-like hair plugs as running mates.
Teeth and Plugs 2008!
Old Coastie said: oh yeah, VG – he’s got a wife and a couple kids… that’s part of what makes all this “go to jail for the one you love” business so much more bizarre… why would you do that to your kids? your wife? very strange.
Frank P. said: I don’t think he could have cut a deal and avoided jail time. The rumor was that Fitz wanted “serious” jail time with any deal that Libby got. I don’t think Fitz likes liars.
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Fitzgerald, according to the Chicago press, particularly hates it when lawyers lie.
And it is puzzling that a guy (Libby) with relatively young kids would throw himself on the grenade. He might think Bushco will ultimately protect him (as noted, the people fund-raising for him are real hard hitters). Or he might just be that loyal and his wife might respect that loyalty. His background is Totally Company Man. She can’t be that surprised.
cleter @ 111
per Montag and TeddySanFran, it’s
Joe “Teefs ‘n Tufts” Biden
Pachacutec @ 109 =
HI DAVID! :) I think your short, moderate haircut is super-sexy!
But I’m a dyke, so you might take that into consideration…
I used to hear you on the radio (national news feed) when I board-op’d overnights. Have followed you since, you ROCK.
punaise @ 99
Unlurking here for a moment. FWIW Syndicated (Investigative) Columnist Jack Anderson was Murray Waas’ mentor and the MSM in his day had the same powerful negative feelings about him. He was derisively called a muckraker, and was an important voice in many US newspapers’ editorial pages. IIRC his column was headed muckraker or muckraking, but I may have misremembered that part. Just in the past week or so, it was reported that the FBI has given up trying to get his confidential papers from his family. Someone speculated that they gave up when the Dems took over the congressional dialogue.
Thanks, Pach, for your hard work…I feel like I am there and I don’t have to worry if I am being spinned.
And thanks, too, Punaise for your way with words!
Back to lurking!
cleter @ 118
what an incredibly productive comment.
Pachacutec @ 109
I am late to the party (as usual), but wanted to say hey to Shuster since invited to do so. It makes sense that he would read this blog as his reporting usually gives more background and has interesting tidbits that I only find in the blogoshpere. I love his reporting on Hardball and when he appears on Olbermann, but would I be the first person to give him shit about the way he says “Hardbaaawl”? :)
The Nation gives warning on one of the jurors that got through today … potential wingnut alert.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalga mes?bid=3&pid=158370
Damn, Pach — so well written. As usual. Thanks so much.
Sorry hope this link works to the Nation article
LinktoNationArticle
Rosie @ 119
Bush has the power of the presidential pardon.
cleter at 105 said
Isn’t it pretty much the same bunch? Or am I thinking about Reagan? These idiots are on their third bite of the corruption apple. They need to be recycled out of D.C. post haste
here’s something that’s really bothering me;
the president is actually adding phrases and words to the english language as if he’s some kind of lingual icon
you right there, even in jest, are “puttinh food on your family”, I hear people starting to pronounce ‘new que liar” with pride, and of course we all go on “the internets” and use “the google”
sick stuff when someone who can’t speak the language has such an impact on vocabulary
Wigwam @ 128
Bush has the power of the presidential pardon.
But, as already noted, a pardon would create numerous problems for Bushco. Libby remains vulnerable regardless.
Pach,
Sorry to rain on your parade, but it seems to me that you’re there to do a “synopsis of the nitty gritty” and not to get all gee-willickers about what standup-guys the reporters are, nor to rave about how historic it is that you, superblogger are “crashing the gate.” What a masturbatory load. You’re inside and we’re not. We get it. Now get back to work please. And no more such bloviating. Jesus wept!
Boy, at first I thought, “Dang Troll,” but I read your blog Kalkaino, and loved your attack on Hitchens.
But don’t you think you might be being harsh with Pach? I feel like I did get inside with Pach’s liveblogging.
kalkaino @ 132
What is your problem? Haven’t you heard you don’t order volunteer help around. If I were him I would close my laptop and go home.
Pach You are doing a fine job and when there isn’t something concrete about selection happening please write what ever you want. Probably all of us but one will read it and probably enjoy it.
Nellieh,
I think Pach is doing a good job and I generally like his writing. But some of the post above is really, really silly and he should be told to cut it out. I meant it in the spirit of the veteran’s advice to the rookie: ‘When you get to the end zone, act like you’ve been there before.’ That is, don’t write treacly BS like: “I’ve always known our national reporters are hardworking diligent people….”
Uhh, since when? Brave, clean thrifty and reverent too, I’ll bet. Of course I don’t know, since they’re not my “new friends.”
I haven’t heard “you don’t order the volunteer help around.” If you can’t order ‘em around, they ain’t much good as help. What I have heard (and observed to be, not perfectly, but all-too true)is ‘Volunteers, worth what you pay for them.’