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Let the headlines begin: "Barack Hussein Obama: The Feel-Good-About-Yourself Candidate," compliments of GOPbloggers. I've gone after the conservatives for taking out after Barack Obama's middle name, starting with Glenn Beck. In fact, one of my posts opened out onto a lawsuit threat against me by one wingnut, which happened just yesterday. Not to worry, progressives came to my aid, including Bob, Mash, Joe, Roxanne and many others, including in emails that got me (and my attorney) in touch with the right copyright and First Amendment lawyers. But Obama entering the '08 race is the beginning of what will be a very nasty campaign, not only because his middle name, "Hussein," will be used against him time and time again, but because Republicans are highly prejudice, and our candidates are so formidable.
John Edwards has already gained a lot of ground, especially with his strong stance against escalating the war in Iraq, as well as his proclaiming Mr. Bush's escalation "The McCain Doctrine." His strong support of unions also helps.
Barack Obama has not been nearly as strong on the escalation, evidently preferring "symbolism" to action, or confusing one as being as strong as the other. (I won't say "I told you so," but I did warn you.) But Obama did strongly push back against escalation after Mr. Bush's speech last week. Certainly the fact that Obama was against the Iraq war from the start helps, but he wasn't in the Senate, so it's difficult to know what he'd have done if he were.
As for Hillary Clinton, she planned a "newser" today about her recent trip to Iraq, but one in her group fell ill so it was canceled. However, assuming she'll run in '08, I hope her group gets better at messaging. Wolfson's recent swipe at Edwards was just pathetic.
But as Edwards statement on Sunday said so well, it's not only silence that is betrayal, offering only symbolism alone against escallation in Iraq is equally insulting.
Clinton's surprising broadside came just hours after Edwards, in Harlem, delivered a sharp condemnation - clearly aimed at Clinton, although he didn't mention her by name - against those who fail to "speak out" against the war in Iraq.
"Silence is betrayal, and I believe it is a betrayal not to speak out against the escalation of the war in Iraq," Edwards told a crowd at Manhattan's Riverside Church, where Martin Luther King had declared his opposition to the Vietnam War.
"If you're in Congress and you know that this war is going in the wrong direction . . . it is no longer OK to study your options and keep your own private counsel," he said.
"Silence is betrayal. Speak out and stop this escalation now." ...
HILL JABS AT JOHN
TAKES HER FIRST SHOT VS. AN '08 PREZ FOE
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why would we want a candidate concentrating on the presidency when they are supposed to be representing their electorate?
this is a shame, and shows a corrupt mentality. It is the system that dictates it, but still, 2 weeks after the new congress and they are all out showboating instead of ending the madness.
I find this behavior from all elected officials disgusting.
think they would listen to us if we asked them to get back to work?
Fitz!
FITZMAS!!!
Joe-Bama!
A fine tuned weather vane!
only tacked left to get past the Illinois Daley/Dem establishment to secure the primary, but has been getting some milage among the gullible as someone with ‘principles’.
Al Gore. Accept no substitutes.
Good post. I have to say I’m not convinced either Edwards or Obama is ready for prime time. I am also becoming leary of of Obama’s finger in the wind failure to actually stand for anything (though he gets points as best orator -Edwards a close second and both a stark contrast to the garble from Bushes 41 and 43). For the same reason I’m not into HRC.
Bill Richardson is interesting and has done good work in the past.
It will be an interesting year.
I also agree with Oldtree @1 that they all should STFU and get to work.
My preference would be Gore. Say Gore/Edwards? And perhaps if not this combo, Edwards for A.G.?
Hello firepups.
I think part of this rush to ‘08 is because everyone wants to put the nightmare presidency of Mr. Bush behind us.
punaise @ 4
Pun - how seriously do you take that report of Japan (sorry too lazy to find the link) that Gore has finally ruled himself out completely?
punaise @ 5
Punaise, I’m so with you on this!
How about Edwards/Obama?
GORE!GORE!GORE!GORE!
Can’t we just put Hillary out to pasture?
Well, it’s very great to see Barack enter the race. He’ll at least force folks toward his way of newer, less old-school thinking. Does he have a chance? Who knows. I truly like this man, though. And, we could use a new, unseasoned person. Christ, look what the “insiders” have given us: a Fascist state. Edwards, Biden, Gore? I like them, too. Hillary, ah, I don’t know. The woman part isn’t the issue. We could use a good woman for a huge change. But, she has that baggage, and I’ve never been happy about her moving toward the dull center. Also, I have this feeling Rove and Co. would be licking their chops if she ran and won the nomination.
Who else would I prefer? Olbermann, obviously.
sporkovat @
4
Dig it! As a chartered Dirty F$%king Hippie who left the ROTC to go on to be a CO and tell Dick Nixon the FBI and the idiot clowns of the AFL-CIO, I was a member of the Carpenter’s Union too, to go fuck themselves I can assure you without fear that:
Obama-the-Empty-Suit is not the answer to our nation’s problems.
Nor is he as progressive as say….
Rahm Emmanuel
Dick Schumer
Joe ‘Can’t Do It’ Biden
In a few short words: Fuck Obama.
He’s a triangulating loser whom the ReThugs are down on their Fundie prayer mats imploring their racist, jingoist ‘God’ to make the Democratic nominee.
Why else do you think the corporatist media is drooling over him?
So, what did you all make of this headline and story: No Al Gore in U.S Presidential race?
http://today.reuters.com/tv/vi.....277761a7e1
Re-elect Al Gore in 2008!
petedownunder @ 9
that would be the report that I willfully ignored, head in sand? I hear it might have been a bad translation.
my take, as expressed the other day: Gore will allow himself to be drafted in 12/07, after everyone else has slugged it out for many months.
(check out this fantasy straw poll at DKos)
Well, this is OT but it would have been EPU’ed on the last thread.
In the spirit of facilitating the judicial process, Scooter Libby offered his own list of potential jurors. “I realize that it might be difficult to find a sufficient number of lying backstabbing loons and warmongers to form a jury of my peers so I thought I would respectfully submit the names of some of my friends,” he said:
David Addington
William J. Bennet
John Bolton
George Bush
Stephen Cambone
Richard Carlson
Dick Cheney
Steve Forbes
Alberto Gonzales
Stephen Hadley
Fred Kagan
William Kristol
Edwin Meese
Richard Perle
Condoleezza Rice
Dennis Ross
Donald Rumsfeld
Mel Sembler
Alan Simpson
Alan Tessler
Paul Wolfowitz
James Woolsey
John Yoo
Philip Zelikow
Several of these can be found here:
http://www.scooterlibby.com/
Taylor Marsh @
13
Hasn’t that been shown to be a translation error?
Taylor Marsh @
13
What I make of it is no new news here, Taylor. The video doesn’t have an actuality of Gore absolutely declining to run or accept a nomination. The headline isn’t backed up in the article’s text.
Democrats said Felix Allen all the time during the election. Republicans probably feel justified in using Obama’s middle name.
Hope this doesn’t make me a concern troll. :-(
Crazy Horse @ 17: I think it depends who’s doing the translation.
As for me, I think even if Gore says no it means nothing. What politician hasn’t changed his mind, especially if the presidency is dangled in front of his face?
Let me get this straight. Hillary was prepared to make a statement about her recent’ fact-finding’ mission but one of her entourage got sick? Gee. And this is the person who wants to lead this country?
Taylor Marsh @ 13
To be honest, I really didn’t know what to make of that. Nothing of the sort was said on the video and “won’t run for President” wasn’t even in quotes.
The whole thing struck me so odd that I brushed it aside. I just don’t believe it yet. I think Gore would have been far more formal about it.
Thanks, Taylor, for the link. I’ll be sure to look at the article, but I’m sure I’ll never accept it.
BTW, Howard Dean, Edwards, or even Obama for VP, as long as they make Joe Wilson ambassador to the UN. There also should be a lot of good roles for people like Richardson in a Gore cabinet.
I simply don’t believe Gore will leave us to the likes of Hillary!
I think if enough people were to ‘come on’ to Gore to run; he would. I want Gore!
This sounds crazy but Edwards is too shiny. Obama seems just too young for the problems ahead. Gore & Wesley!
Oboma is the flavor of the week. There is a reason for that–he has never been baptised by fire. He speaks in warm and fuzzy empty platitudes. I don’t really have anything against him, but I can’t see him standing ground in the face of a McCain buzzsaw.
Hillary has faced a huge pushback from the left. Obviously, she has bought into the “centrist” mindset of electability. Someone forgot to tell her she will win absolutely zero Republican votes, so her strategy has effectively made her an island unto herself
Note to Hillary: determine who you are and stand right there, voters don’t like to grab moving targets. Your home is to the left–but to date you are classified as a runaway.
Edwards. I like what I’m hearing from the guy, but like Obama, I wish he had more experience.
Gore–please come back. Your country needs you.
punaise @ 14
(check out this fantasy straw poll at DKos)
The problem with that approach is that it means he would declare just weeks ahead of IA and NV caucuses and NH primary. I assume he would not have any way to be on those ballots nor the machinery in place. I doubt Edwards, Obama and Hill would just roll over for him, so how does he actually get the delegates he needs for the nomination?
Pelosi/Webb.
I for one support Hillary 100%. To continue for as long as they’ll have her for Senator from NY.
ccmask at 26 — Don’t hate Edwards because he is beautiful… *g* (Sorry, couldn’t help myself. Remember that old commercial?)
Taylor — great piece. It’s interesting to watch the Presidential kabuki start this far out from the race time, isn’t it?
There certainly seems to be a ground swell of support for Gore to run again; i could envision a popular draft happening. Despite many heartening signs, the Dems still seem to dissappoint regularly.
Pelosi for U.N. Ambassador! Webb for Secretary of Defense! Or Veep.
I’d like someone with Bernie Sanders’ values. Looking around, I see a lot of current and former DLCers running, and Kucinich has already been written off.
Doesn’t make me too happy, but all of the Repug alternatives are much, much worse.
That said, it’s simply too early to see the field clearly. There are more important things to concentrate on right now, I think.
CHS @ 33 - You bet it is. And I *do* remember that commercial.
Also, fyi to everyone, James Webb will give the response to Bush’s SOTU speech.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
If he would tone down the religion. I’d like to see a separation between church and politicians.
George Walker Bush
John Walker Lindt
John Walker Red
Taylor Marsh @
37
I am impressed that the Dem leadership has chosen Webb for this important appearance. I predict Webb will make one of the most riveting such responses in recent U.S. history. OK, OK, I know there isn’t much competition for that kudo.
karma miranda @ 38
Donkey Ho-T, chasing after Old Bushmills
I like Obama and Edwards for similiar reasons: progressive values, intellectual firepower, analytical strength and charisma. I think Barrack has an edge but John is not far behind.
Both candidates have a weakness, they are Senators without more than one term’s experience and no other policy experience in federal government. This doesn’t make them unelectable but it’s worth keeping it in mind.
You didn’t ask but we should talk about the mule in the room; the democratic front runner Hillary Clinton. I have not been able to get excited about her candidacy since she got on board with the flag-burning amendment to the US Constituion. It’s more than a disgusting right-wing political stunt. It’s bad policy.
Now how about Senator Russ Feingold as a candidate? He has oodles of Senate Foreign Relations Committee experience. Maybe VP?
Can we please finally put Kerry and Gore out of the race? At this point, they are a handicap. Gore can serve as head of the EPA and Kerry can be an presedential advisor. He has the values and intellect but damn, what a blabber mouth. I wish he wouldn’t do his thinking with his mouth open.
Heh. I seriously doubt Webb will lead us on a resounding chorus of kumbaya!
I still see big monkey-wrenches coming, long before the race gets serious. How will the Dems react to an attack on Iran? What happens when the next al Qaida attack is actually against a Saudi production facility? Or when the eastern US grid goes down for two months?
I don’t like what i’m seeing, but i really don’t like the reaction i see from the cabal that’s still in power. And that’s likely to be the biggest single effect on 2008.
The Dems are still having a hard time reacting to Bush’s: hey, f*wads, we’re already surgin’ what are you gonna do about it, huh?
Oprah/Dr. Phil = OD ‘08.
Oilfieldguy @ 43
As long as we don’t hear the phrase “together, we can do better” it will be better than last year’s ASOTU.
Edwards is my man.
Why? His personal story, the value he places on work and workers, and his personal apology for his IraqWar vote.
Pretty doesn’t hurt.
Edwards is a fake. Edwards may be great trial lawyer but he offers nothing.
Obama is another fake who offer nothing. Sure the buzz is great but what does he offer? nothing.
Where the hell is AL ? Please AL get on board so we can go to work. This country needs an experienced prez who command respect overseas and at home.
This country can’t elect another boy to do a man’s job which we will do if we elect Edwards and Obama.
Montag said I’d like someone with Bernie Sanders’ values.
I’d like someone with Colonel Sander’s values…a chicken in every pot!
…or pot in every chicken would work too.
Hugh @
17
…and I’d like Antonin Scalia as the judge, Ken Starr as prosecutor and Robert Kaplan as the only journo allowed to cover the trial…
I could support Edwards enthusiastically. Gore as well. Obama…not so much. He’s an inspiring speaker, but what’s else has he got?
Really, I think Hillary would make a great president. But as a candidate, she’s a mess.
Also, the Democratic nominee will have an affect on downticket races. I would like to dump Inhofe R-OK. He’s up for ‘08.
Will Pelosi run?
Ed*ard Teller @ 39
Recall last year’s response was from another victorious Virginian, Tim Kaine. National Dems have recognized that Virginia’s purple.
Plus — I think lots of folks have heard the “how’s your boy?” story leaked by the White House.
so what does the possible Unity ‘08 ticket of contempt-twins McCain/Liberman do to the calculus?
Personally, I welcome Obama’s candidacy. He’ll contain Hillary long enough for Edwards (or Gore) to get some wings.
ccmask @ 52
nah, but hopefully she’ll be warming the seat by this time next year…
I think Gore would have to be crazy to run again. Climate change has been his personal issue for years and now as a private citizen he’s finally getting attention direct toward the issue. If he goes back into office, climate change becomes one of a dozen or more things on which he’ll have to work.
I hope Wes Clark runs. He’s intelligent, experienced (although the last primary cycle was his only campaign experience), and I really like his approach to international issues.
petedownunder @ 28
The problem with that approach is that it means he would declare just weeks ahead of IA and NV caucuses and NH primary. I assume he would not have any way to be on those ballots nor the machinery in place. I doubt Edwards, Obama and Hill would just roll over for him, so how does he actually get the delegates he needs for the nomination?
Hmmm…just because nobody has ever won (to my knowledge) as a write in candidate, does that mean it couldn’t be done? Do those states allow write-ins? How would we go about starting a write-in campaign now? How would we go about starting to affirm to him our intentions of drafting him now?
ccmask @ 52
I’d bet against her running. She has a good job, and appears to be thriving in it so far. Maybe in six years if a Democrat isn’t elected President in 2008.
Another reason I think this is that I can’t remember a sitting Speaker ever running for President.
For the other side, I say a little prayer every nite for Brownback/Musgrave 2008.
I’ll echo the Gore sentiment. Seasoned, smart, visionary, consistently right about the most important issues, Gore has everything we need, and hopefully has learned from the last few campaigns how to fight back against our hacktacular media.
After Gore, I like Clark, Edwards, and Richardson.
No on Hillary because of her triangulation. I like Obama, but really want to see someone with a little more maturity and some record of achievement.
TeddySanFran @ 59
Careful what you’d wish for. When W. was first nominated, my reaction was “Who’d vote for that moron?” Turned out a lot of people are perfectly OK voting for a moron for President, as long as they like him.
Considering those who have their hat in the ring or show strong indications that they will soon.
Edwards background (with strong exception for his original position on the war) as well as what he is saying now, impresses me.
Kucinich background and message is spot on, imo. He is in a position in the House to push for several ideas he expresses an intrest in, including a return of the fairness doctrine. I will be watching for more from him.
Obama is a media darling alright. He spoke last month in Little Rock and won over nearly everyone in attendence, much to their surprise. Don’t know much about him but I worry he would be an easy buy out and prone to triangulation over substance. I want to see and hear more specifics from him.
Clark needs to replace Lieberlovin’ Senator Pryor or help clean up the DOD - possible Sec. Def.
That said, Draft Senator Russ or Gore
Always great to see you Taylor, sorry for your litigous troubles.
Congress, please act now, please. Stop the Bush cabal and the war.
I am not excited by any of the Dems in ‘08, because I believe support for civil unions instead of full marriage rights is intellectually dishonest.
montag @ 35
I watched him on a show the other day. I liked him; he said all the right things. Pretty smart guy. Wonder why they always seem to dismiss him? Something about his looks maybe?
Great Post - and thanks to Pach for the live blogging earlier. Amazing lens on history. I would be very happy with both Edwards and Obama (and of course also as a pair). I have heard them both speak and each is awe inspiring (something which both Carter and Clinton had - that certain 1uality of charisma - which is why I think both could get elected. On Gore, he really blew the last campaign by refusing to engage Clinton; Tipper drives me nuts, and Gore himself comes across as too preach-y (even if true). Basically unlike Obama and Edwards he doesn’t come across as a grounded populist.
Basically, to put it bluntly, I can’t stomach Obama. He is so obviously compromised. We don’t have time for his BS.
Yeah, my blood’s so mad feels like coagulatin’
I’m sitting here just contemplatin’
I can’t twist the truth, it knows no regulation.
Handful of senators don’t pass legislation
And marches alone can’t bring integration
When human respect is disintegratin’
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin’
-Barry McQuire
We need the real deal. “We are On The eve of distruction”. And it is being perpetrated by our own government.
good. so we have a consensus.
punaise @ 67
On?
So far, I’m pretty sure we’ve resolved that the next President should be a human being, but some of the other details need to be worked out.
punaise @ 67
Hillary/LIEberman??
OOPs, I meant to say Kucinich at my number 64.
Actually, now that Ayatollah Dobson has officially issued a fatwah on McCain, a McCain/Lieberman unity ticket might not be a bad tihng….
Taylor Marsh @ 14
Well, he’s already said he wasn’t going to run. Then I think he flirted with the idea a bit. But I like Gore too much to see him run, quite frankly. After the Dean debacle, I hate to see anyone I really like as a person run for President. I would include Russ Feingold in that group (and, yes, I know he’s not running).
Nowadays, I would go for someone whose positions I could, for the most part, get behind, but not someone I’m particularly crazy about on a personal level, such as Edwards (I have forgiven him his Iraq vote since he came out later and said he’d made a mistake).
In the past, I seem to have gravitated towards the kind of people that inspire too much passion for the masses and media to handle, and thus, crash and burn under the incessant, tedious dissection by the msm, which is deeply biased against true progressive thought. They feel threatened by it all.
Obama: too bland, and possibly too easy to fall under the sway of the DC consultants.
Of course, we’re all assuming here that there will be an election :)))
Edwards on CNN now
So far, I am impressed with Speaker Pelosi because she is going full speed ahead with her well thought out plan and the hell with the critics. Who else in the Democratic party has done/is doing the same?
I like Webb because he isn’t obliging his senior colleagues by waiting years to be heard when there is much that needs doing now and he’s willing to be the one to start things going in the right direction. And he does it respectfully.
But, for me it is much too early to pick a favorite. Time for watchin’ and waitin’.
My party, the Democrat Party, has so much talent. Exclusive of a particular New York Senator. Naturally.
Gore, Webb, Clark, Edwards, Pelosi, Kucinich and others. I love ‘em.
Before i moved to Germany, Pelosi was my rep for two decades. She’s as skilled as anyone in running the congressional rapids, and we need her to stay there, with backbone. that’s what she was trained for, not president. Her policy confidant is George Miller, who she respects ohne ende. We need them working the halls, period.
The system is so dayum broke. KO is like Edward R. Murrow squared, and it only has the slightest effect. When amurka begins to realize that now is equivilent to 1936 Deutschland, then we will begin to make progress. End of screed.
Danke, FDL. Today was cool…and it will get better… and thanks Taylor.
On McCain, can an unrepentent pro-war rethug running with a serial liar from blue Connecticut win without the 45%-55% or so the rethug electorate that comprises theocon base?
Taylor:
I know this is OT but I wanted to thank you for pointing out that Jack Bauer IS a democrat.
I sure wish there was a Dem contender who would put Country above personal and political wants and needs like he does.
Cujo359 @ 67
(it was toungue-in-cheek)
Here’s a factor to consider: how many of these candidates would actively avoid–by all necessary means–going to war after being elected?
After all, most of them voted for this war in the beginning, and on evidence that was clearly trumped up.
How many of them are capable of doing the hard work necessary to undo the damage the Bushies have done? How many of these people voted for the Patriot Act? How many are willing to take on the political crap-slinging that will surely ensue over dismantling a system intended to do nothing for security and everything to increase Executive power?
How many are going to do the difficult work to re-regulate corporations and the financial world, along with restoring some progressivity to the tax code?
How many are going to have the balls to stand up to the Pentagon and the military contractors and demand some sanity in the defense budget?
Without doing all or most of those things, there’s no money for anything else they may promise during the campaign.
I don’t have the answers to those questions, but maybe someone else does.
Blub @ 77
Given their propensity for lying, and the press’ propensity for lapping up their lies and printing them uncritically, I think Unity08 (McMentum) could be TradMed’s favorite ticket, and the corporatists’ wetdream. Imagine that ticket vs. AnyDem vs. GOP theocrats. How would the electoral college split three-ways?
kristinejoy @ 65
What about war??
Taylor, whenever you have to write about Debbie Schlussel, I think you should go with that stick figure with the smeared lipstick. Its hilarious
41Neil says:
No!
twolf1 @ 76
Edwards is doing the heavy lifting. I’m watching CNN. Thanks for the heads up!
ccmask @ 75
Yes, what would truly be grand is an impeachment of Bush/Cheney and Madame Speaker just eases right into the Presidential slot.
{{fantasy music playing in background}}
mui @ 84
I sorta like this one of Scooter Libby.
TeddySanFran @ 82
Love that!
My party, the Democrat Party,
-Oklahoma kiddo
Oklahoma kiddo, What the heck are you thinking? There is no such thing as the “Demorat Party”. The party is called “The Democratic Party”. Please. Don’t be obtuse.
Montag @83:
Few long-sitting senators have managed to get elected directly from their senate seats into the presidency in the country’s history, and I think the reasons why are much more palpable this time around. …for all the reasons you mention, which is exactly why Obama’s star is shining brightly now and why a Gore candidacy would be very compelling.. they don’t have blood on their hands. Edwards may pull it off by doing enough mea culpas with that smile of his…
punaise @ 80
As was I, just not as artfully ;)
Gore a handicap? Gore in ‘08!
Obama, I think not. I can’t forget that he dissed his own party during the Alito confirmation hearings. When people like Leahy were standing up to be counted in a filibuster, Obama was busy on the Sunday talk shows bashing Democratic weaknesses and lack of unity. He finally supported the filibuster, but I got the feeling it was all political maneuvering on his part. I don’t like him.
Hillary? I love smart powerful women, but she can’t win in 08 - too many hate her.
Edwards seems smart,thoughtful and articulate. I’d give him a closer look.
Personally, I’d love to see Senator Leahy in the White House but #1 - he’s already in a good place with the Judiciary gavel in his hands and #2 he’s not a glossy sound bite man so he could be a hard sell nationally.
I’d vote for Gore again in a heartbeat.
And Montag? Sanders? Another terrific export from Vermont to Washington. Fire in the belly, and a scrapper from way back. Maybe not quite ready for prime time, though.
I like Russ, too, but he said he will not run. I also like Clark a lot, but I want Gore. Every time I see him and think about his running that John Lennon song to Yoko comes to my mind. It’s not really apropos, but that’s the way my mind works. ;)
“It’s time to spread our wing’s and fly,
Don’t let another day go by my love,
It’ll be just like starting over - starting over“
montag @ 81
Those are truly good questions, Montag. I don’t see anyone answering them yet. But i’d have to start with the youtube video of Eisenhower’s last speech, which still floors me.
kitt @ 92
I can’t help it. ;)
Slightly off topic –
I usually make a point of using the “rate this story” stars on the bottom of articles on MSNBC (e.g. Kieth’s Countdown stories), but suddenly they aren’t there any more. Has anyone else noticed this? And do you have any idea why?
– MarkusQ
carolyn urban @ 94
I just said someone with his values. He’s not running and has no intention to run. I expect Bernie to be occupying his new Senate seat until he retires (he’s in his early `60s now, I think).
Ok kiddo,
“Democrat Party” happens to be a rightard talking point slur. See, they all got together and decided the “Democratic Party” sounded, well, too democratic. So they decided to pervert the name.
I know you didn’t intend anything by it, but it is something that lots and lots of lefties pay real close attention to.
Cujo359 @ 69
O come on you guys - not so bad. We have far better candidates than before (and certainly than the Repugs.
And, bottom line, no LIeberman or Hill’ry
Oilfieldguy @ 90
That’s a good one too. It didn’t appear for me originally though. I had to click on artwork link.
Oilfieldguy @ 99
they (Republicons) say it with a condescending sneer.
montag @ 81
Edwards was a newbie, but the others who voted for it should have known better. I have a particular problem resolving Kerry’s vote with his past experience. He, of all people, should have known better.
A tough question to answer. I think it’s going to require a combination of administrative ability, doggedness, political agility, and charisma. That’s a rare combination of traits, to say the least.
My guess: Edwards, Kucinich, maybe Clark and Kerry. The rest, almost certainly not.
Kucinich.