
[This is a continuation from yesterday's Evidence I post.]
In addition to witness testimony, in a trial there is also evidence in the form of documents and things. Before we get into that, I want to take a minute to talk about relevancy. Evidence may be true and competent yet completely irrelevant to the crime charged or any defense to that crime. Under Rule 402 of the Federal Rules of Evidence, irrelevant evidence is usually inadmissible. This is particularly true in a jury trial. In a bench trial the judge will be more lenient believing in his own ability to avoid being swayed by irrelevant evidence.
This has already been a major issue in the Libby case in that there have been pre-trial motions, called motion in limine, to limit the amount of irrelevant confusing or prejudicial evidence that may be admitted before the jury. Christy has touched on this in prior posts and I mentioned it in the threads, but part of Irving’s “memory” defense has involved saying that he was preoccupied with much more important matters.
The best I can glean from the heavily redacted documents available publicly, is that whatever these other matters were, they must sound really scary and the concern is that the jury will get freaked out about some scary near miss and forget all about the issues at hand. I keep wondering about the sci-fi movie where the meteor hits the earth. There was a reference to North Korea, so maybe the chicken hawks were all running around the WH yelling that the sky was falling (chicken hawks morph into Chicken Little) and North Korea was gonna nuke us. Yeah, with those ICBMs that keep falling apart when they get 10 feet off the ground!
But I digress. We were going to discuss admissibility of documents and things into evidence, not as much fun as wild ass fantasies about meteors and Chicken Little-isms, but much more useful in preparing for Fitzmas.
Generally, before a document or thing can be admitted into evidence there must be other competent evidence to “authenticate” the document or thing. For example, in a trial for a murder involving a gun, the prosecution cannot just offer any old gun into evidence. The prosecution must offer other evidence showing that the gun to be offered is indeed THE gun.
The classic examples of how to do this are laid out in Rule 901:
1) By testimony of a witness with knowledge. This is fairly obvious and needs no explanation.
2) By non expert opinion on handwriting. We discussed this in the last post. It is not uncommon for a spouse or secretary to testify based on personal familiarity that a certain handwriting specimen is indeed so and so’s. This also works with voice identification.
3) The jury or an expert witness compares the specimen (could be handwriting or anything else) with a another specimen which has already been authenticated.
4) Distinctive characteristics. Appearance, contents, internal characteristics, taken in context.
5) Telephone conversations can be authenticated by reference to telephone company records, by a participant identifying that the contents and by phone logs.
6)Public records are authenticating of the facts contained therein.
7) Ancient documents. The idea here is that information in an ancient document has been relied upon for so long as if it were true, it no longer matters whether or not you can independently prove it is true, because everybody accepts it as true. This is one of my least favorite because we all know that misconceptions have a way of hanging around before being debunked. (BTW, “ancient” under Rule 901 means more than 20 years old. I wonder what that makes me?)
Some documents and things are considered “self authenticating” and do not need to be proved up before they are admitted (though they are still subject to relevancy and other objections to admissibility). These are discussed in Rule 902 and include: Public documents with an official “seal” or with a testamentary statement from an appropriate public official attesting to their authenticity, books and other writings issued by a public agency, “commercial paper” such as promissory notes or UCC filings, trade inscriptions such as signs or labels affixed to things which show ownership or origin, and newspaper or other periodicals.
This last, news reports, gives me the willies. How many times have we seen our beloved fourth estate screw up the facts? Now, the mere fact that something goes into evidence does not mean you cannot contest it’s accuracy, but given the piss poor showing we have seen the last few years in terms of getting the facts straight before we rush to print (yes, I’m talking to you Judy Miller), I don’t know if media reports deserve such deference. I understand the rule. It’s based on the idea that everybody knows about it anyway and knows where it came from, so the only debate is about the contents not the origin. That theory, though still valid, is weakened in this age of abuse of the granting of confidentiality of sources and in view of the Jason Blair, “let’s make up some sources” trend in modern journalism.
Under Rule 1006 (yes, there are many, many rules) the contents of voluminous writings, recordings or photographs may be summarized in chart, summary or calculation and the latter admitted into evidence in place of the original material. This method is being used by Team Irving to solve a CIPA problem involving information that they wished to present that could not be declassified. During the trial watch for admission of something called the “dot chart” and see this rule in action.
Sometimes you don’t have to offer things into evidence at all. How cool is that? Sometimes you can prove a fact without offering any evidence of it whatsoever IF the other side is willing to “admit” the fact. Fitz tried to do that in an effort to avoid most of the greymail defense. He offered, many times, to “admit” that Irving was a very busy man and preoccupied with important matters.
Irving prefers to go to the trouble of proving that. Wouldn’t it be a kick in the head if he failed to do so? Just kidding, but it’s fun to imagine the headlines. *g*
(CHS notes: The above photo is a picture of a notebook that belonged to Mark Twain. I was thinking last night before I drifted off to sleep how interesting the coverage from Twain's pen would be of this trial, and of the Bush Administration in general. And wishing that, somehow, he could reach out across the ages and add a bit of his wit to the proceedings.)
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Fitz!!
LHP!!!
FITZ!!!
Fitz’em Fitz!
Longworth House Building being evaucated, train with hazardous chemicals crashes…
Will the media be able to multitask today?
Well now, Just getting here today was a triumph of
My advanced driving skills. 2 inches of snow in 2 hours here in the Portland area. Thats usually enough for massive gridlock around here.Even the school districts didnt have it together this morning. They didn’t cancel classes until 7:30 am.
Somebodys getting a reaming as I type.
I did want to be here and get in a good Fitz.
Note to self, Wheres the popcorn dude?
OT: TPM reporting that Senator Webb will give Dem response to State of the Union. Now if they just let him speak his mind. . .
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....011952.php
yellow snapdragon @ 6
So far, Webb has been willing to do that all by himself.
RawStory reports on the live blogging at Libby trial phenom and Howard Fineman’s “concern.”
For chuckles, check out the comments section in response.
To the MSM, sitting on the toilet reading the paper is multitasking.
EvilDrPuma @ 7
Oh man, oh man. Thees ees gonna be goood!
This has probably been mentioned, but I wanted to give an early WATB award to this guy, Fineman
‘Fresh perspectives, gut reactions’ promised by Libby livebloggers
David Edwards and Mike Sheehan
Published: Monday January 15, 2007
In an unprecedented event in the history of weblogging, two bloggers will be credentialed and seated at the trial of former Cheney Chief of Staff Lewis “Scooter” Libby, charged with perjury and obstruction of justice.
Rotating bloggers (one of the first being Jeralyn Merritt of TalkLeft) promise “fresh perspectives and gut reactions” as they’ll be live-blogging from the trial, their access granted thanks to the efforts of Robert Cox at the Media Bloggers Association.
MSNBC’s Howard Fineman, meanwhile, is concerned that the trial will expose an “unhelpful” side of the relationships between government and media, telling Hardball’s Chris Matthews, “It’s gonna lay out all kinds of details about how things work that are not necessarily going to be ennobling or helpful to us in the future.”
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0115.html
mandrake @ 8
Yes, they are entertaining. And very true.
OT but I thought y’all might be interested:
http://today.reuters.com/news/.....s&rpc=
angie @ 13
And God knows, that’s something neither the U.S. nor Israel would ever, ever do.
Emptywheel has a list of potential witnesses. It is a long list.( Warning,PDF File)
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c.....tion_5.pdf
In civil matters often times the authenticity of documnets is stipulated to. Is this true in criminal matters? And, if so, has this occurred in this case?
Glad you made it Busted. Wouldn’t be a party with out you.
Where’s Norske?
Yeah? No shit, dude. You jackasses have forgotten your role in our democracy. Which is the pursuit of the Truth, not your self-sustaining storylines to further your climb up the cocktail weenie circuit self-importance stepladder.
Here’s my concept for you and the rest of your band of cockroaches:
Long walk, short dock.
Thanks T.
I’m at work, popping in and out. Trying to get frozen diesel engines running.
Tweety can’t even remember Fitzgerald’s name right!
“Fitzpatrick?”
re: relevancy and our “beloved” fourth estate screwing up the facts (and partially epu’d from earlier post):
Neutral vs. objective. YOU be the judge.
slainte,
cl
mandrake @ 19
I’ve found that an easy mistake to make…but I’m not a big cable news talking head.
EvilDrPuma @ 14
right-o!
;(
yellow snapdragon @ 6
OH YEAH.
Oh my gosh. I just read that, in a Newsweek article, Howard Fineman called progressives the “jihadi” wing of the Dem party!
Nice going. Guess he is worried.
OT: More diplomatic vaudeville, courtesy of the Hostess with the Mostest (Shoes).
EvilDrPuma @ 21
Well, yeah, it’s not your f’ing 6-7 figure salary job to remember these people’s names!
mandrake @
19
fwiw, Tweetie appeared to be hanging from the chandelier, wearing a lampshade last eve, in anticipation of today’s bigsheeew! His viewers will be lucky if the only booboo he makes is the occasional mispronounizipation…
utoob might wanna be at the reddy fer new inputput, & his handlers might want to tighten the seatbelt on his anchorial chair ;->
mandrake @ 26
Exactly my point.
Adie @ 27
Tweety does appear to have some speech impediment issues. I keep thinking spit is going to coming flying out of his mouth any second and hit a guest in the face.
Mandrake: I noticed his spitting years ago, too.
EvilDrPuma @ 25
More Fried Rice, anyone?
Feingold’s Petition for Redeployment! Sign ‘er up!
OT–
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....mi_ea/iraq
Woops. Here’s the appropriate link (Feingold Petition)!
angie @ 33
That oughtta tickle Chimpy’s funny bone, fer sure.
New thread from Pach.
ING warns investors of potential Iran strike by Isreal/US in Feb/March.
Too bad there can’t be two simultaneous posts. One for the ‘trial issues’ and one that is not. ;)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 38
It’s Day One of something many of us have been waiting to see for a long time. There will be other threads and other topics.
Feel free to use this thread for non-trial related conversations but let’s try to keep the live blogging threads on topic.
mandrake @
34
hey!…thanks for that link.
We need more of those, don’t we.
I’m speaking of two simutaneous, “live blogging threads”. ;)
ccmask @ 9
To me, it is redundant.
old gold @ 16
Yes, it often happens and I would not be surprised if it happened with the copy of the Wilson Op Ed with Cheney’s handwriting on it.
Hey, Loosey! Check out this UK Independent article on the Libby trial. They think Bush will step in to pardon Scooter.
Please contact your Congressman and Senator and request that they require the CIA to investigate
the possible deaths and disappearance of any agents recruited by Valerie Plame during her 20 years of work for the CIA. A committee of ex-CIA agents could evaluate the extent of the damage done to the system by the “outing” of Plame and charges of treason could be filed againt any and all “outers”. Remember, treason is a capital offense, punishable by death.
Lwayno@aol.com
Hey there, Cheney! What is there about”traitor”
that you don’t understand??