
"I am completely without objectivity. There is nothing you can say that would make me feel positively about President Bush."*
Thus spake the eighth of nine prospective jurors reviewed by Judge Reggie Walton, Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and defense attorneys Ted Wells and William Jeffress today. She had indicated on her juror form she had some strong opinions about the Bush administration, and, queried in her turn by Judge Walton, she cast her eye over all assembled in the courtroom and declared herself.
"So, you are saying you do not believe you could render a fair and impartial verdict in this case, based on the evidence and according to my instructions to the jury prior to deliberations?," Judge Walton followed.
"That's right," she responded, whereupon she was immediately excused from jury duty.
The juror who preceded her took a bit longer, with much questioning and circling around questioning by Mr. Wells, before confessing that, though he would like to think otherwise, it is likely the case that his opinion of Vice President Cheney's credibility is so low that, were sworn testimony offered by Cheney to be contradicted by another witness, the prospective juror would be hard pressed not the feel predisposed to find the vice president unbelievable. This juror, of the nine reviewed today, actually knew the most about the backstory of the case, even to the point of naming Richard Armitage as the first to leak Valerie Plame's identity as a CIA agent.
To assess the tenor of the news coverage this juror had previously read, Ted Wells asked this juror if he reads blogs. "Yes," he replied. "Which ones?" asked Wells. "Andrew Sullivan. Time. Wonkette. Powerline, occasionally, and the Huffington Post, occasionally (hello to you, dude!). . . Some of them are pretty good. I stay away from the crazies.” The media room erupted in laughter, as I took a seated bow.
He was excused from the jury for his admission that he could not assure the court his assessment of the vice president would not color his thinking about testimony and evidence.
Therein lies the challenge for Team Libby: of the nine jurors reviewed in depth today, three were excused. Two I've described to you, and one was excused due to the demands on her time of her work commitments as a free lance contractor paying the rent month to month. What's telling is this: no jurors were excused for cause based on any predispositions that might prejudice them against the prosecution. Just the defense.
Libby has a war problem, and though this case is narrowly about felony charges of obstruction of justice and perjury, wherein the case for war in Iraq provides only the setting, the unavoidable drama and context of this case is the case made for war in Iraq and the credibility of this administration, and in particular, the Office of the Vice President.
The national polls are what they are. The president is wildly unpopular and growing more so with his every subsequent utterance; Dick Cheney is even less popular than President Bush. The public overwhelmingly is rejecting the administration's policies and reluctantly coming to the conclusion that, at best, the administration innocently provided bad information to the country, but is intransigent in the face of developing reality. And through all this, to attempt to get a fair trial, Team Libby must scratch to find jurors without strong opinions or preconceptions on these matters, in Washington, DC, of all places (more than one potential juror, when asked if they had heard or read of any controversy alleging the administration had provided the country with bad information in making its case for war, replied, "In this town? Are you kidding?").
The Libby team's jury selection strategy seems rather clear: if they can find at least one, and preferably two, people who are among that 12% of the population in support of the administration's "surge" strategy to escalate the war in the Middle East, that would be golden. Two such people, or at least one, could possibly hold out against what otherwise might be a consensus to convict, possibly even nullifying the jury, if it came to that. Generally, the demographics that hurt the administration hurt the defense team: women (especially single women), minorities, working people or union members, liberal professionals, etc. The problem for team Libby is, their best jurors live in Salt Lake City, not Washington, DC.
Patrick Fitzgerald has a reputation for not making a big fuss over jurors during jury selection, and he lived up (down?) to that reputation today. He is mostly content to take people at their word if they say they believe they can render a fair and impartial judgment based on the evidence and according to the Judge's instructions. He seems most likely to verify that those with previous experience or exposure to the criminal justice system (as victims of crime, or who have family members of those who are policeman, etc.) believe they possess no strong biases or opinions based on those connections or experiences that might render them unable to deliberate in good faith. He can also be slyly charming. As one woman mentioned she has three children, Fitzgerald responded, "I take it these are young children?" Instantly, and with a southern twang, the woman countered, "Oh, aren't you sweet!"
The Libby team is far more intent and active in its questioning of potential jurors. Beyond probing about any preconceptions potential jurors might possess related to the administration or the vice president, Wells and Jeffress seem regularly to ask about people's opinions of Tim Russert. Clearly, they seem worried about anyone who might be predisposed to think so highly of Russert that, when the time comes for his testimony to contradict Libby's statements, prospective jurors may reflexively side with Russert.
Team Libby furthermore seems very concerned about the news accounts people have read, as is understandable, given the profile of this case. What's more, Libby's lawyers regularly ask pro forma questions about the possibility of forgetting things, and about the possibility that different accounts of past events could be due to bad recollections held in good faith. Their questions are so mundane, however, it seems to me as if they are just using the questions to presell their case, a foretaste of the closing defense argument.
In the end, there will be a jury empaneled, and though the pace of juror review slogged along slowly today, the people at the courthouse seem to think we'll be done by Thursday. If today is any indication, the best Team Libby can hope for would be jurors who can give them a fair shake, enough of whom may have enough trust and faith in the president and the vice president to trust that their ex-employee, Irving "Scooter" Libby, is telling the truth. Today's jurors don't seem to show signs of being among those true believers in the administration's aggressive war policies, but then again, you never know with a jury, and people can and do surprise you.
Tomorrow, we go through another round of jury selection, and we'll know more about the potential jury pool. Stay tuned to the Firedoglake and the Huffington Post for liveblogging and daily coverage.
* Quotations offered in this column are based on this reporter's notes, and largely paraphrased. They should not be considered to be an official transcript of events.
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Thanks for doing this. This is just fascinating!
Might it be possible for Libby to not get a fair trial due to pre-trial media coverage? If, assuming this is the case, would a change of trial location help?
While this is very promising, I can’t help but be saddened about Jane. My prayers will be with her.
I hope others’ will be, too.
Hey Pach, thanks for today, and more, thanks for having the fortitude to keep the post up despite Jane’s post downstairs. I assume it’s hard, but you knew that already.
Thanks for the cogent analysis of day 1. Onward.
Oklahoma kiddo @
6
I hear they are holding hearings of some kind at Guantanamo Bay . . . perhaps they could squeeze Libby in. Of course, the pre-trial holding facilities are a bit spartan, and there could be a bit of a wait. I think they’re up to # 4 out of 600, or something like that.
The way they’re trying let the defense determine who will jurors, it appears this court will be as unfair as the one that tried Saddamn. might they Transfer venue to Bagdad for a fairer trial.
I think a great many people could be a juror on this case and look at the evidence and just try to figure out what story or sequence of events makes the most sense, no matter what their personal opinions about Libby or Cheney. But if they want to find twelve people who are going to weight their testimony equally with someone who contradicts them, they’re going to have a heck of a time filling the jury box.
What I find ironic is that usually you’d expect people to favor the Vice President’s version of events, rather than how that’s working out for Cheney in this case.
Pachacutec, I am only sorry that I couldn’t spring for the after-court refreshments. You did an amazing job today. We gave some cash, but somehow, I’m thinking that I wish I could have sent over whatever beverage you enjoy while you get some well-deserved rest before tomorrow.
As the poster before me wrote, today’s bittersweet. We’ve waited so long for it. At the same time, we’re all thinking of Jane.
-S
Strategerie @ 12
Ditto, Ditto, Ditto
Thank you for being there today while we were out trying to keep our heads above water. With every thing else going on in the world, maybe we could just try.
Olbermann is doing what he does.
this is far from good news guys, if this is the best libby can hope for the trial is ripe for appeal
we need a jury that is more then capable of giving libby a fair shake, we need a jury that is willing to give libby the benfit of the doubt
in case some of you have forgotten, we fight here at the lake to preserve our constitution, and our constitution demands we hold the accused innocent until they have been proven that they are not innocent
let’s be weary please
guilt has to be proven within a reasonable doubt and we need an impartial jury if we believe teh fitster has a ligitimate case
As a usual lurker, I just have to give FDL a big thank you for doing this. When I found out that the trial would not be televised, I figured there was no way the truth of the proceedings would come out. Thanks again and, of course, lots of love to Jane.
I think these are my last off topics of the evening. From today’s press briefing with Tony Snow.
Not to worry, Bush didn’t talk with Prime Minister Olmert for a month during Israel’s bombing/invasion of Lebanon this summer and we know how well that turned out.
Then there was this:
You see there is progress and then there is progress.
Pach, Christy’s always writing about accountability. I bet a search of that word would find ten thousand posts and comments. Today was only day 1, but it was Day One!
In the spirit of Ms. Hamsher, despite all of the photoshopped feathered boas which will appear, Stay On It.
perris @ 16
perris is right, of course, but on the other hand they did give the country an unfair shake-down on their way to war.
Alter is saying on Olbermann that for those running this Iraq thing from Washington: for them, this “war is an abstraction”.
Oh. And the real reason Hill called off her statement today was due to the Obama announcement. Not because one of her people was sick. Figures.
Hugh, we are making progress. That’s why i hired tony snow.
Well, the best anyone can hope for in a trial is a fair shake. I think Walton is being pretty solid, from my non-legal view, about setting up a jury pool that would withstand appeal. He has a firm handle on things.
Swoon.
Pach, thanks so much for the riveting post on the jury selection.
This is so cool.
omfg…
CNN just broadcast a story suggesting that neocons and shrubco policymakers are basing their war-on-terror strategies on… the Fox TV series “24″. Literally…
A friend just called to ask if Cheney will testify in person or via video, assuming he testifies. I told her I thought he was going to “appear” on video. She said Carol Leonnig was just on Jim Lehrer and said the press today had heard Cheney will be making a personal appearance.
Is that possible?
What a fascinating account. Reflections on bias (obvious, negative, prejudicial) and blogging as newssource. Congrats, Pachacutec, on a good blogging beginning.
If this guy is convicted, does anyone have a clue as to how long the appeals process might take? Say from least to most time.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 30
I suspect long enough to procure a pardon
Jane Hamsher @ 26
Now i know the world is spinning correctly in its right manner.
I am so thankful for your reporting, Pach; and also for the fact that the trial ISN’T being televised…otherwise, I wouldn’t be able to get any work done during the day!
Keep up the outstanding work, please!
Jane Hamsher @ 26
Part time lurker here but if you have an organization that we can donate to, please let us know. My husband just recently finished chemo for colon cancer and one wake up call for us had to do with how many uninsured need help. The hospital and the cancer care center had networks to donate to. MAYBE WE CAN SET UP A FDL FOUNDATION.
Jane Hamsher @
26
Yep, it sure is.
Blub @ 27
KO also has a story on the fear-mongering in ‘24′.
Blub @ 27
“24″ is my favorite neo-fascist TV show. This season began as a snuff film, shifted to S&M, threw in some gratuitous torture, and showed once again that those really nice neighbors of yours of Middle Eastern descent really are terrorists. On an up note, they finally did get around to nuking LA.
My wingnut coworker told me that I just have to watch the show “24″. Now I know why. You cannot believe what I put up with with him. He is a hardcore republican.
Listening to NPR’s evening ATC Nina report:
She seems to be making up for her egregious interview with former SG Ted Olson this morning – so far. Was Nina there today, Pach? She’s talking like she was. Relating the juror questioning process symathetically toward those potential jurors who couldn’t hide their disdain for Bush.
Clearly, Nina is more attracted to this process now that it has begun than she was 24 hours ago. I could almost sense her thinking as Jane just expressed, “this is SO cool.”
Apparently, there was some type of “24″ conference which a bunch of neocons just attended, along with Chertoff and Rush Limbaugh, filled with speeches about how the terrorist plots portrayed on the show are case studies for reality and a warning, etc etc. They also said McCain is an avid fan. Even the producer said that he’s worried…
motherlowman @ 36
If she was there, I didn’t know it, but there were a number of people in the room I did not know. I’m a gate crasher, after all, and I kept any schmooze in second, occasionally third, gear. I didn’t work the room.
ccmask @ 38
Office 24/911?
That is, the producer is worried that neocons are basing policy decisions on the show…
That’s the trouble with any trial-to find an UNBIASED jury of your peers.
Bush interview tonite with Jim Lehrer: “I want the Iraqis to succeed for our own sake.”
Paging Mr. Freud!
perris @ 31
The feeling here is a pardon will happen shortly after conviction.
Pach,
I was trying to keep up with the live blogging at work and you did a splendid job. Thanks. Afterward, for some reason, I was prompted to re-read H.L Menken’s reporting of the Scopes trial. Talk about snark!
Brownandserve @ 47
I didn’t write with a lot of ‘tude today. This was not by design. Once I started channeling the flood, it all just took off.
Perhaps this whole pardon business needs some altering.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 46
to be followed immediately thereafter by the impeachment… I think more reasonably they’ll pardon him in December 2008… I presume that the appeals will still be dragging on, and he’ll still be free, so if he does have incriminating info on shrubco he’d be no more inclined to sqawk than he is now.. they can afford to wait until the very last moment, right before he actually gets sent to a cell. ’sides, what’s to prevent Fitzgerald from immediately subpeona’ing him again upon his pardon, watch him lie again, and then charge him for perjury and obstruction all over again…
Blub @ 43
So, maybe the producer could have an episode about redeploying the troops, restoring habeas corpus, providing universal healthcare . . . you know, since that’s where they’re getting their ideas. ;)
Won’t work. We know these people can only comprehend what they agree with.. they’ll just switch to watching DVDs of la femme nikita and getting their inspiration from that…
motherlowman @ 51
Perris –
WearyWary.And Pach is right, though I wouldn’t say it in terms of “the best anyone can hope for,” but would rather say that the best anyone can expect and what the Constitution requires is a “fair” trial. And a fair trial is not a “perfect” or the “best” trial or the right to choose only those jurors that you think will, for whatever reason, find you not guilty, whether b/c they look like you, or think like you, or claim to be fellow travelling wingnuts. And that’s true for any defendant.
The mere fact that someone might hold whatever personal views does not necessarily disqualify them from serving on a jury if they can also (and hopefully honestly) say that they will judge the case on the evidence presented and the law – not their personal feelings. There is nothing in the foregoing that offends the idea of the rule of law or the Constitution.
There’s a definite art to liveblogging. Earlier today I happened to have a reason to re-read when I liveblogged the Mars landing three years ago (wow). As time went on, another blogger and I traded off covering press conferences, live accounts of egress (when rovers rolled off lander), and the like.
It’s just enough to get everything down. You’re doing really well if you can go back and fix the typos. Good to have some text auto-expand macros for commonly-used terms, too.
So to add in-the-moment snark or commentary or what have you is just extra gravy. Perhaps it’s something that comes with liveblogging over time?
Pachacutec @
48
Maybe tomorrow I’ll add a little more hot sauce, now that I know where the bathroom is at the courthouse.
Pat is real and has matters that some forget to bring with them. Now Libby is playing the race card by wearing that ethnic tie wont work it’s and old trick. New Libby will come in with dread locks and ask for collard greens. I guess he didn’t learn from the racist comment made to Tiger Woods and that chicken/watermelon remark. At lease Fitz doesn’t have that problem as he is for all people regardless of race or color.
It was great Pach. And wingnuttie was out of the office today so I had the whole place to myself. It was so easy to picture everything and to put a face on the potential jurors through your words.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 30
Expidited appeal can take as little time as the lawyers say they need to write their briefs. Remember the elections cases in 2000? Days.
More likely it will go into the regular docket system and his appeal would be argued about7-9 months later
How many exactly constitute the “super majority”?
perris @ 16
I am SO on that case…
…but not by virtue of this coverage. Thanks so much for the report, Pach!
Pachacutec @
48
“Do not endeavor to be the moon, rather, be like the arrow pointing at the moon,” or some such crap Bruce Lee once said,
Enter the Dragon, maybe. Anyway, you’re good, you’ve got the chops. Just let it flow and you’ll be great.
As for Mencken (to do a TRexy), best quote evah!
An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
H. L. Mencken
Having been out most of the day, what is “ethnic” about the tie?
johnSwifty @ 62
looseheadprop @ 59
Would this then be his last or only appeal?
Pachacutec @ 56
Frankly, I don’t see how you could improve upon today. You were/are pitch perfect!
Pachacutec plans to get saucy on his second day. Stay tuned folks, this is going to get better and better..)
At least Maulkkkin wasn’t there. She would have posted the address, phone #, and childrens names of the dismissed and defiant juror.
Olbermann reports that Donald Trump now has a star on the “Walk of Fame”. I’m so relieved.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
Not necessarily. That would be his appeal to the Court of Appeals. After that he can petition for a writ of certiari which, if granted, gives him an a further appeal to the Supreme Court.
wha ? you think you slipped in undetected ?!?!*g*
http://www.tias.com/stores/dec…..s/734a.jpg
abfab job Pachacutec !
Oilfieldguy @ 68
And the ages of the Young children. “Ain’t she sweet”
Scarborough asks if we are on the brink “of a regional blood-bath” in the Middle East?
No one knows the answer to the “ethnic” tie question?
I never did hear, but I know this ringside seat fdl is providing us is very costly. Probably 2 months of DC living. I only noticed one call for financial support. I hit the tip jar then, but I was wondering, are the expenses covered? This is a great service provided to us fdler’s, and I would hope we are funding it adequately.
EPU at 74 — What “ethnic tie” question? I missed it somehow…but I posted a link to a pix of the offending tie in one of Pach’s earlier threads, FYI.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 74
Just an occasional Freudian slip (knot).
During the appeals can Libby go back, and if he consents to squealing, cut a deal?
Re: He can also be slyly charming. As one woman mentioned she has three children, Fitzgerald responded, “I take it these are young children?” Instantly, and with a southern twang, the woman countered, “Oh, aren’t you sweet!”
Good vibrations.
I don’t believe that’s how it works, but then again, why would he want to talk?… shrubco’s mandate to him, for which they will no doubt reward him richly, may very well be to maintain his silence for as long as possible and to drag out his appeals, on technicalities or whatever.. possibly for as long as he’s not actually in prison. If that takes us to the end of shrub’s reign, all the better.. and a pardon would be waiting for him at that point. He loses nothing since, presumably, somebody else is paying or will eventually be reimbursing him for his legal bills.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
It didn’t make any sense to me when I read it earlier, but here’s the first comment about the Ethnic tie.
I’d love to know what it meant.
Oilfieldguy @ 75
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ing-to-dc/
I found my favorite bracelet! Green of course.
Lost it the day I came back from seeing my favorite aunt in Ann Arbor, who is losing her mind. I was trying to be philosophical [sniffle] that I could get another bracelet but not another Aunt Ruth.
Today was a big day for her, as she was moved abruptly from independent living to assisted living in another place. Was expecting a volcano of anger when she realized she was moving even farther away from her home and friends, but apparently things went ok today.
And I found the bracelet I lost that other time…coincidence/synchronicity.
cbl @ 71
ROFL. That’s funny.
Katrina Vanden Heuval on Scarborough doing the job on the upcoming war with Iran.
CHS – I can’t find a link to a picture. Any takers on the “ethnic” tie question?
I live here, so my only costs of doing this are opportunity/earning costs, which, let’s face it, are not nothing. But I don’t mind.
But, if anyone wants to tip jar – literally – FDL for my work today, please consult the right sidebar for options.
Pach: Did the statues of Hammurabi, Moses, Solon & Justinian give you a little wink? I was reading the link you posted on your opening post wrt the courthouse. I can’t believe the history of the courthouse. It’s beautiful!
24 is a great show and yes, I know can decipher reality from fiction. Its not a right wing show. Last season ended with the POTUS being taken into custody and removed from office.
Also, with all these questions for the jurors, one would think that Cheney was on trial and not Libby….I’m just sayin….
EPU: My camera view of Libby was so obstrucuted, and the lighting so poor (Fitz’s male pattern baldness shone like a white yamulka, as I wrote earlier), that I just didn’t see the tie.
There was a pic of Libby this morning and he had on a funky tie. I don’t know if that’s the one the poster was referring to though.
there is a new thread (Jordan).
there was much tie discussion on this thread earlier: http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..game-show/
egregious @ 83
Aunts are great! I am back spending nights with my 99 year old Auntie. She’s a liberal Democrat and voted last November, just like she always does. She’s not quite as politically radical as I am. But then, who is?
Scarborough just went to commercial with “you dropped a bomb on me, baby” background music.
So war with Iran and Syria is just entertainment.
Katrina vanden Heuvel makes sense on Scarborough…
again.
I can’t locate a picture of Libby with the brown striped tie, but I did discover this photo of the vehicle he arrived in.
Rosie @
28
I asked Jeralyn that question on the WaPo comment page today. She said we still didn’t know for sure, yet.
angie – she’s another one of a few that speaks well for us.
Heya Jane – you’re right,…very cool. Thanks again for the community here.
Bad taste in ties does not strike me as a quality specific to any “ethnic” group.
However, given the most astoundingly awful clothes historically worn by GOLFERS, and given the fact that golfing has been dominated by those with lots of money, who in turn have tended to be WASPs, there might be something to be said in a provisional hypothesis linking bad clothes sense with old pasty white guys — once they’re let loose from the board rooms onto the rolling greens of the local private country clubs.
Witney @ 89
Great fiction resembles real life, and the characters usually act as they would in real life. I have no doubt that there would be people acting like and saying the same thing as the characters in this series under similar circumstances.
Let’s hope it’s a sign of things to come.
angie @ 95
What struck me was the unusual length of time which Joe Scary-borough gave to Katrina v.d.H. to speak her mind.
And secondarily, that no one really disagreed with her.
This makes us break into a cold sweat in this household.
ya gotta love the symmetry -
Appellate hearing in Ryan case today*g*
http://www.suntimes.com/news/g…..index.html
Rumi@97
Thanks. We’ll see.
Rosie
To you lawyerly folks both here and out there,
It seems to me that questioning a potential juror about their impartiality, and then taking them at their word that they could be impartial would tend to ingratiate the juror towards the Fitzster. Unless the the potential juror is obviously biased one way or another, wouldn’t this be a good general strategy?
Here’s a pretty good shot of the tie..
libby’s tie
my wild-ass guess about the ethnic tie comment is that the brown diagonal stripes were somehow reminiscent of African fabric designs – trying to curry favor with a large portion of the jury pool?
…or not.
Petro @ 5
Yes indeed FDL thank you for this post. just what I was hoping for.
Oh yeah, thanks P-tec!
One interesting thought after hearing Slick Dick on Sunday tell of inviting Scooter to his Christmas party. Will Fitz ask Dick if he talked with Scooter about his upcoming court testimony for Scooter when Scooter was at the Christmas party?
Remember Scooter and Dick used to discuss everything, which I believe Fitz will be able to ascertain under cross. It sure would make for a “Perry Mason” moment.
angie @ 95
Best scarbo guest ever.
Hehe.. lately he’s been helpful to us with all the borderline rethugs in his audience. He must’ve convinced a few of them his party’s president is insane.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 94
Oklahoma kiddo @ 6
just joined in and was thinking the same thing. perhaps OKC would be just the venue to put on trial liars and terrorist
Scarborough calls Bill O’ a “political suck-up”.
pach,
i have to say, i’ve been a reporter covering the courts, and your blogging today was just first-rate, better than the vast majority of the typical print media (and the less said about the broadcast variety, the better) typically is.
it’s really historic in its way: a major trial with great national import being covered in real time by a knowledgeable, savvy blogger with a large, informed audience. it changes the way i’ll expect trials to be covered going forward.
a stupid question: if, after a couple more days of this, libby wanted to switch to a non-jury trial, i.e., heard by the judge, could he do so?
(i don’t think he’d want to, since the judge has proven resistant to the more … fantastic …. of his defense arguments, but still, he may not have prepared himself for the reception he got today.)
EPU at 86 — Found a pix of the tie, just for you.
Vanden Heuvel is a giant. An underrated professional with a huge brain.
Rosie @ 102
well…as long as it involves a dunk tank I’ll be happy, cause I think we can all agree that its pretty much a no-brainer
…listeners had asked him to “let the vice president know that if it takes dunking a terrorist in water, we’re all for it, if it saves American lives.”
“Again, this debate seems a little silly given the threat we face, would you agree?” Hennen said.
“I do agree,” Cheney replied,…
source
I think Libby’s tie has become the bright, shiny object in the room. It’s oddly mesmerizing.
That’s not a good thing.
Crazy Horse @ 32
Umm, the line uttered by John Huston in “Cannery Row” would be: “once again, the world was spinning in greased grooves.” :)
It’s probably been answered before tucked away somewhere in another thread or two, but does anyone know if Karl Rove is on either side’s witness list?
/Drooling off
jexter @ 103
When I recognize someone making that kind of observation, it gives me pause.
And reinforces my increasing belief that Patrick Fitzgerald operates on a higher plane.
.
I just don’t see Cheney taking the witness stand. Didn’t he like get 47 deferments for Vietnam cause he was so busy and stuff.
He’s pretty independent. Not likely to let some judge tell HIM what to do.
tie goes to the loser.
I read the live blogging earlier and just read this synopsis and I want to hug you~good writing, clarity, picture conjuring words~thank you,thank you ,thank you ! Starting tomorrow I am back to school full time and now I know that I can catch your synopsis, even if I can’t read every post.
.
Muzzy @ 120
I had that same feeling when he announced the indictment in the press conference. I wanted so many more indictments than just Libby, but the way SC Fitzgerald explained it seemed to give a brand new perspective to the process.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 94
I hope not. I hope it’s being used to make people wake up.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
Ifyou have good things to trade, you can always cut a deal. just ask Sammy the Bull.
Blub @ 27
I know I’m a little late on this comment, but I’ve been sort of working on a theory that Bush sees the world through some Tom Clancy novel/Jerry Bruckheimer film (24 would also fit) worldview. Not only is it a we’re the good guys, so we can do what we want, but they’re the bad guys, so they deserve whatever they get, but that always the good guys win because, well, we’re the good guys. It’s a black & white, non nuanced, intellectually lazy way of seeing things.
This is why Bush is so confounded about Iraq. He’s still waiting for the scene where our brave troops will finally crush the enemy to the greatful chears of a liberated, opressed people. (Think being showered with flowers & chocolates here.) He’s following the story line, why isn’t everyone else? It’s getting all muddled; this wasn’t the way things were supposed to go. It’s not like the movies at all. Everything is so complicated; It’s hard to tell the good guys from the bad. They keep changing, they have their own priorities. Why do they keep bothering me? What ever happened to that great end scene we shot, the one with the “Mission Accomplished” banner in the background? Gee, I loved that scene.
Were only reality that easy, Mr. Bush. We’d all find our Mr. D’Arcy in the end, our prodigal children would walk through the door tonight, and a winning lottery ticket would float from the sky to our feet. But that’s fiction, not life. Fiction has neat endings; life has messy ones, and right now the only endings for your little real-life fantasy are very, very messy. At least try to choose the cleanest one in front of you before more very real people get killed.
Pach, loved the blow by blow–I have sat in on jury selection before, but I don’t remember if there are any pre-empts before the whole voir dire begins? If there are some who the defense wants to dismiss before voir dire (if they can), is that when the accounting begins as in 12 defense, 6 prosecution? Isn’t there some pre-wrangling over this or is it that the lawyers all get the q-aires and read for clues as to which ones they choose for more probing questions during voir dire?
The voir dire I watched was in a college town. I think the college professors were not wanted by the prosecution.
Preempts come last. They want to get enough stuff through questioning in many cases to get the Judge to use his unkimited power to chuck people, so they can reserve their preemptive strikes.
looseheadprop @ 126
Indeed. Libby has plenty for sale. Sing Libby by all means do tell. Always hoped this trial wpuld find its way back to Cheney.
steelthing @ 130
And perhaps Rove, and the Big Tuna himself.
Can’t believe I’m gonna be overseas for the first couple weeks of this trial.
AND Webb rebutting the SOTU butthead.
Sigh.
In good news, I’m coming up with post #100 at egregiousBlog. Treasures of the darkness*. Or treasure, anyway. *Isaiah? I feel that overall I have had QUITE ENOUGH treasures of the darkness and am ready to resume what other people call normal life. Sigh.
Good news!
Christy wants me to prepare a post for fdl…eeeek…need to run away for a couple weeks just to contemplate that.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 131
Let’s hope so. I for one want to see them all held accountable for there treasonous deeds
[Mod Note; beware the burgeoning ziggurat]
dmg @ 113
Short answer= yup
Muzzy @ 120
Indeed he does
egregious @ 132
And speaking of treasures of the darkness—
Just found out about Jane and her cancer recurrence. Words fail. Prayers begin.
Nice job Pachacutec. Congrats to FDL and HP, Jane, for securing this press pass. The granting of press admission to bloggers for courtroom access was mentioned on cable news network this morning, perhaps CNN. Said it was a test case to see how it goes with future implications. Groundbreaking!
This case is supposed to be about perjury and obstruction of justice. Judgement is supposed to be based on the evidence.
Whilst I appreciate that prejudice is relevant in jury selection aren’t Libby’s lawyers actually introducing prejudice in their vetting, given the breadth of their questions?
Just because one has a low opinion of Cheney, if Cheney in testimony said that the sky was blue, would one be disposed to disbelieve him out of prejudice? ( That’s not a good argument of course but..).
I’m no lawyer, but it seems to me that Libby’s lawyers are demanding a ridiculously high standard for ignorance of the specific case and especially its context i.e. if you don;t know who Libby is but you do know who Cheney is the odds are you don’t like Cheney and as he’s a witness for the defendant you probably won’t like Libby ergo you are prejudiced.
So the Jury selection drags on and the trial gets delayed and then maybe actually proceeds and time has been bought and then, if convicted, Bush will still be in power and provide a pardon–minimizing any term served and then being released ASAP.
Due process requires jury vetting but really is this realistic? After a “fair” trial doesn;t mean a perfect trial, just “fair” and what’s fair is decided by prevailing community standards isn’t it?
I’m just asking.
I love this sentence so, so much. I might have to buy it drinks and try to cop a feel…
Ah, so that’s what quaking aspens look like…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
Do you think we could get the same super majority in the senate for a constituional amendment to change the presidential pardon process as for a flag burning amendment?
What is the point of no return? Is it the moment before the prosecutor’s opening argument?
RBG @ 35
pastyfaced people in pajamas who stare at computer screens all day now think they’re “Cool”
what’s the world coming to ???
yo Jane,don’t let the bastard’s wear you down
Britisher @ 138
if you’ve ever seen the Mainstream Media Outlets in America, you would understand that this isn’t really a “High Standard” to meet
we gots lots of ignorant people over here
scooter’s problem is finding jurors who don’t want to lynch him for “General Purposes”
I doubt cheney could reach his 12% national approval rating in the local DC area
and scooter might just be the scapegoat who saves george’s ass
Rosie @ 117
scooter libby’s secret weapon is a “Hypno-Tie” ???
what’s next ???
Is scooter gonna summon Karnak the Mgnificant from the great beyond ???
neil @ 141
I would have to research that, but I don’t think there is ever a point of no return. However, it would be stategically stupid. You just put a judge and the system through the considerably greater strain of creating this jury, now you want to waste all that effort and the person you have just pissed off hte most, the judge, becoms your soley trier of both law and FACT? It would be insane
the key is not finding a juror or two who agree with the current troop surge; not if you believe the notion that people can be objective when serving on a jury… the key is finding someone who can set aside whatever they believe, listen to the facts and make a judgment based on what’s presented to them… that won’t be easy, but not because so many people have already been “tainted” here, but because human beings will always carry some prejudices into every situation… none of us is a blank slate…
As I trial attorney I see the defense tactic as one that will weed out most anti-Cheney potential jurors but will not exclude his most adamant supporters who, as they listen to other jurors, will learn to answer questions about bias without revealing their bias. Some anti-Cheney folks may do this as well, but those folks are more likely to state their cause when questioned, and avoid jury duty, whereas the pro-Cheney folks will likely want to get on the jury to help their embattled hero. Kind of like in a criminal case involving the death penalty where anyone opposed to the implementation of death as punishment is excluded from the jury but those with equally strong views in the other direction are allowed to serve. This blog did a nice job uncovering the importance of opening statements, but oftentimes a juror will begin to lean or make up his mind based on the questions asked in voir dire of potential jurors. Sometimes cases are won by an effective set-up in voir dire.
This is great everyone, wonderful coverage and insights – big thanks.
“Oh, aren’t you sweet!” – when ya hear that, you can only smile cause you know you done good. Go Fitz!