hpschd– yes, it does. it is as plain as can be; we are provoking the downtrodden, the survivors of horrible violence, and disassociating ourselves from humanity and justice with our actions. It is fast becoming the “Crusades”.

awful.

A young friend who just finished boot camp (now training in Germany) thinks that he will be sent to SOMALIA!!!

This s**t has got to stop.

hpschd
registered in MI-10th
living in Toronto

rumi @ 172

I could even see a strong bipartisan alliance of Constitution huggers that would be essentially an intervention team. The problem with that is the situation would have to get so bad, such as mass casualties in Iraq and/or serious involvement with Iran that the legal grounds for removal might be gone.

…mass casualties wouldn’t cause the outrage that $100.00 bbl oil would cause.

unless we are forced to see the casualties– you know touch them, feel them, smell them. Unfortunately, we don’t. This administration held up 9/11 as a “shiny thing” and exploited all of the pain and grief for their own benefit and pockets rather than seeking out the cause. I lost friends that day and it still hurts, but I lose potential friends all around the world every day that this confounded and misguided and evil policy moves forward, inexorably, to the end.

I’m completely in synch with your comments. I’ve been feeling the death and suffering of the innocents and I’ve taken that energy to try sparking a positive change. I’ve lost family, friends, material possessions and opportunity…been insulted, shunned, ignored…for speaking out on behalf of people I’ll never know. I won’t stop but it is frustrating to see a prevalent lack of empathy.

I could even see a strong bipartisan alliance of Constitution huggers that would be essentially an intervention team. The problem with that is the situation would have to get so bad, such as mass casualties in Iraq and/or serious involvement with Iran that the legal grounds for removal might be gone.

…mass casualties wouldn’t cause the outrage that $100.00 bbl oil would cause.

unless we are forced to see the casualties– you know touch them, feel them, smell them. Unfortunately, we don’t. This administration held up 9/11 as a “shiny thing” and exploited all of the pain and grief for their own benefit and pockets rather than seeking out the cause. I lost friends that day and it still hurts, but I lose potential friends all around the world every day that this confounded and misguided and evil policy moves forward, inexorably, to the end.

…mass casualties wouldn’t cause the outrage that $100.00 bbl oil would cause.

I think that saying by Goethe applies to this situation and to this Congress:

“Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has Genius, Power and Magic in it.
Begin it now.”
- Goethe

There hasn’t been any inspired “genius, power or magic” in defense of the American Constitution in our Congress for decades now. Time to begin and, if they do, I’m confident that the rest will follow and flow from the principled decision to act.

And rumi, re your #166 -

A critical thing to remember about Bush and Cheney is their always-present veneer of lawful behavior and respectability. They have never openly, flagrantly defied the law or the courts, without some fig leaf of a “legal” excuse, crafted by craven sycophants like Yoo. The options Congress needs to try should definitely include, and hopefully achieve, some method of finally (politically or legally) boxing Bush and Cheney into a corner, where there is no longer any legal ‘fig leaf’ left for them to hide behind.

The administration’s supporters in the corporate “respectable” media absolutely require that fig leaf to continue to provide their support and coverage, and thus credibility, to the administration. Open defiance of either Congress or the Judicial Branch would be a very different cup of tea for the administration than even the (mostly unreported) 90%-defiance they’ve been practicing by way of their pseudo-compliance with a perverted version of the law and the Constitution.

This is exactly where they gain their strength and the people’s position has been undermined. That cunning legal distinction they claim has been strengthened each time the politicians, pundits and MSM have enabled it.

I was screaming for action for years…up until the Alito celebratory circle-jerk. I figured the admin we have is the admin the Dems wanted. I gave up most hope then but it got much worse, much faster than I thought it would.

Thanks for that thoughtful reply. I agree but I get the feeling that the opposition is so far behind that it is impossible to catch up now. The escalation plans and impending/current actions with Iran jumped the position of the Nov wins.

What is the Constitutional foundation of removal from office during escalating military hostilities, on multiple fronts? or…How bad can it get before we can’t do anything about it?

A critical thing to remember about Bush and Cheney is their always-present veneer of lawful behavior and respectability. They have never openly, flagrantly defied the law or the courts, without some fig leaf of a “legal” excuse, crafted by craven sycophants like Yoo. The options Congress needs to try should definitely include, and hopefully achieve, some method of finally (politically or legally) boxing Bush and Cheney into a corner, where there is no longer any legal ‘fig leaf’ left for them to hide behind.

The administration’s supporters in the corporate “respectable” media absolutely require that fig leaf to continue to provide their support and coverage, and thus credibility, to the administration. Open defiance of either Congress or the Judicial Branch (especially with regard to Iraq) would be a very different cup of tea for the administration than even the (mostly unreported) 90%-defiance they’ve been practicing by way of their pseudo-compliance with a perverted version of the law and the Constitution.