
I have some news on a couple of fronts, and I want to ask you readers to help with your actions:
First, I want to applaud John Edwards' call yesterday for people to push their members of Congress to just say "no" to Bush's escalation in Iraq, and even more, against Iran and Syria. Senator Carl Levin has been particularly disappointing, and I urge his constituents to tell him so.
Reported by both the New York Times and the Washington Post , Levin favors a toothless, symbolic non-binding resolution against escalation, rather than Murtha's approach to tie new funding for any escalation to the explicit approval and oversight process of the Congress. The last election results clearly spoke against more rubber stamp cowardice in the face of Bush's unaccountable "unitary executive" despotism, and someone needs to remind Senator Levin and his allies of all this. Oh, and all you presidential hopefuls: we're watching you very closely on this.
I'm not endorsing Edwards' candidacy, or anyone's, at this point, but this is the right thing to say and do, particularly on Martin Luther King Day:
As he put it then, there comes a time when silence is a betrayal — not only of one’s personal convictions, or even of one’s country alone, but also of our deeper obligations to one another and to the brotherhood of man.
That’s the thing I find the most important about the sermon Dr. King delivered here that day. He did not direct his demands to the government of the United States, which was escalating the war. He issued a direct appeal to the people of the United States, calling on us to break our own silence, and to take responsibility for bringing about what he called a revolution of values.
A revolution whose starting point is personal responsibility, of course, but whose animating force is the belief that we cannot stand idly by and wait for others to right the wrongs of the world.
Second, there has been some evidence DHS is feeling the heat on its immigrant concentration camps, but not quite enough, not yet. Latina Lista reports:
Rebecca writes: Many of you have probably heard that since the protests held in December, the Williamson County Commissioners toured the T. Don Hutto Facility and certified as humane and decent. What you probably havent heard is that, probably as a result of the protests and related media attention, the conditions in the facility have changed. We know that the education, in particular, has received a major overhaul, and children are now receiving four hours of education a day, instead of just one hour. We also know that at least some of the detainees are reporting that the food has improved, at least a little bit.
This is not the required result: America must turn back from its concentration camp policy. We don't want kinder, gentler camps: we want familes back in their homes. Please talk to your members of Congress about this as well. For more background on America's new concentration camp policy, our country's war on brown people, and on what a sensible, moral approach to immigration looks like, see here, here, here, here and here.
It's the new year, folks. Time to get back on the phones, the faxes, the letters to the editor, the meetings with local congressional office staffers. We have Congressional majorities now, and our representatives need to know we expect results, not just platitudes, non-binding resolutions or statements of good intent.
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Fitzmas!
Pach!
Subpoena power!
I’ll call Levin’s office tomorrow, Pach; would have done so today, but it didn’t work out.
I’ve already sent a fax to his office asking for revisiting the AUMF, cutting appropriations and banning any activity outside Iraq. Just need to follow up.
Will also ask for assistance from the rest of my fellow Michiganders.
I will keep the pressure on my party, the Democratic Party. This is a ‘given’.
Let us hope that the Democrat majority will now put the breaks on your gung ho President.
Seamus at 6 — Let’s hope. It’s well past time for some accountability.
Contact info for Senator Carl Levin:
Washington Office:
269 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-2202
Phone: (202) 224-6221
Fax: (202) 224-1388
Main District Office:
477 Michigan Ave., Ste. 1860
Detroit, MI 48226
Phone: (313) 226-6020
Fax: (313) 226-6948
Detroit
Phone: (313) 226-6020
Fax: (313) 226-6948
Address:
477 Michigan Ave., Ste. 1860
Detroit, MI 48226
Saginaw
Phone: (989) 754-2494
Fax: (989) 754-2920
Address:
515 North Washington St., Ste. 402
Saginaw, MI 48607
Lansing
Phone: (517) 377-1508
Fax: (517) 377-1506
Address:
124 West Allegan, Ste. 1810
Lansing, MI 48933
Grand Rapids
Phone: (616) 456-2531
Fax: (616) 456-5147
Address:
110 Michigan St., NW, Rm. 720
Grand Rapids, MI 49503
Warren
Phone: (586) 573-9145
Fax: (586) 573-8260
Address:
30500 Van Dyke, #206
Warren, MI 48093
Escanaba
Phone: (906) 789-0052
Fax: (906) 789-0015
Address:
524 Ludington St., Ste. LL-103
Escanaba, MI 49829
Traverse City
Phone: (231) 947-9569
Fax: (231) 947-9518
Address:
107 Cass St., Ste. E
Traverse City, MI 49684-2602
If you’re in Michigan, pick your closest office and call, talk to any representative and register your concerns.
These are two toll-free numbers I have for the U.S. Senate; could someone please validate them for me? 888-355-3588 or 888-818-6641
Thanks much; sorry, snow day here, been a righteous hassle schedule-wise.
A little O.T. folks, but I just checked over at amazon.com about my order for Marcy’s book, it is now 5000′ something on their bestseller chart, Yay Yippeee!
Are those the camps that Halliburton built for several hundred million dollars?
It’s way past time Hillary. Tell us your ‘real’, non-finger in the wind views on Iraq. Now. For such a supposedly smart, shrewd and cunning player, you sure have played the dummy hand well.
From CNN’S Political Ticker:
First, the list who attended Camp David this weekend:
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott of Mississippi, House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio, and House Minority Whip Roy Blunt of Missouri will head to the Maryland presidential retreat later Friday, according to the GOP sources.
and this:
IRAQI MILITARY RELIABLITY “IS UNCERTAIN”: President Bush’s plan to secure Iraq by committing 21,500 more U.S. troops rests on a shaky foundation: the Iraqi military. Recent reports by the Pentagon and the Government Accountability Office (GAO) say Iraqi security forces, primarily the military and police, suffer from a lack of training, supplies and availability. Though 322,600 Iraqi security personnel had been trained and equipped by last month, “the number of present-for-duty soldiers and police is much lower,” according to a Pentagon progress report released in December. That’s because so many Iraqi troops are on scheduled leave, are absent without leave or have left the service entirely, the report says. USA Today: U.S. expects new reliability from Iraqi forces
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/
A hearty ‘Fuck, NO!!” to concentration camps. For anyone.
I’m calling Hoyer in the morning.
Non-binding resolutions are sooooo 109th!
This is not what America voted for, Senator Levin, and you damn well know it. If you don’t know it, ask Nancy Pelosi!
Are Senate Democrats tiptoeing around RGJoe with this non-binding crap? If so, let’s just get it out in the open. Besides, it seems like Durbin can whipcount. Is he in favor of the Kennedy/Murtha plan?
Rayne @
4
Rayne, i’m on it. The most i can do at the moment is email him. I’ll try to call with my time off on thursday on a live basis. I just can’t do much more than that between classes and work for the next two days. But i do intend to let him know that the current path is NOT what is needed.
Bush is not going to listen to anyone about his ridiculous troop surge. So it goes.
I’m actually wondering if Levin is carrying water on this for one or two of the ‘08 hopefuls, since he usually doesn’t suck on things like this.
Something here doesn’t add up. We’re not perhaps seeing the whole picture.
Well, THIS is interesting…
“Will the Christian Right back McCain?
WASHINGTON (CNN) — One of the nation’s most influential evangelical leaders is lashing out at Sen. John McCain, a top tier candidate for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination.
Speaking on a Dallas Christian radio program last week, Dr. James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, said he wouldn’t support McCain’s candidacy “under any circumstances.”
“He’s not in favor of traditional marriage, and I pray that we won’t get stuck with him,” Dobson added.
Dobson’s comments highlight a major political problem for the Arizona Senator: He remains estranged from his party’s core voters — conservative evangelicals.”
From ccmask’s link at 12 above
Do you think Senators Biden, Dodd, Obama and Clinton would be more aggressive or less aggressive in pursuing these matters if they weren’t seeking the presidentcy?
I fear their ambition is going to cause them to act more cautiously.
I can see Levin’s point. With only 70% of Americans against Bush’s policy in Iraq, Levin is wisely waiting until a clear majority develops.
Pach: Sorry for my OT at #12, but I didn’t know we had trained 322,600 Iraqi Forces. That must have cost a whole bunch. Its interesting that although I am sure there is a receipt for the training in Halliburton’s drawers, they lacked equipment and training, after being trained and equipped.
drhackenbush @ 9
I predict an extremely sharp increase in sales once the trial gets underway.
I especially hope that Christy, Jane, and Marcy make sure to subtly promote “Anatomy of Deceipt” during every interview, in each liveblog post from the trial, and generally at every opportunity.
The traffic on FDL is going to seriously ramp up during the next few weeks as the Libby trial gets underway – people are going to be looking for live coverage, for in-depth analysis and expertise, and for passionate commentary on the story of Valerie Plame Wilson’s betrayal.
I really hope and expect that we, the commenters, as well as the hosts, take every advantage of the trial as an opportunity to showcase this site to the press, the public, and most importantly, potential progressive activists who are looking for a home on the internets.
In fact, I would humbly suggest that we have one or two brainstorming sessions about creative ways in which we can use the Libby trial as an opportunity to raise the profile of FDL and the progressive netroots. I’m sure such discussions are and have been underway for some time among those who run this site. But it may be useful if the commenting community got involved in this project as well.
ccmask @ 21
This isn’t Book Salon; there’s no real OT, per community custom. No worries!
Something I wrote during the immigrant demonstrations last spring:
I’m sorta proud of that one.
The Dem leadership must get off their cushy chairs and stand up tall and straight for an END to the insanity. Ordinary folks who don’t even lean left are wondering where the Dems have misplaced their courage and why they can’t seem to drag it out of the moth balls. Speaking of balls, somebody better grow some.
Figbash @ 25
How do those ordinary folks say about the Gop?
ccmask @ 12
The Iraqi military and the Iraqi police, the Iraqi government, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Gates, I could go on but it might be easier to list the solid foundations for the plan . . . (sound of crickets chirping)
I’ve spent the last two weeks working/camping less than five miles from the Mexican border, south of San Diego. My time there had nothing to do with US immigration policy, but some of my most lasting memories will be of the reality I witnessed there.
That part of the country is desert. It’s not Saharan style sand dunes like on Looney Tunes, but rolling hills, dry ground, low brush, sunny, windy days, and freezing cold nights. Every night I was there was between 20 – 35 degrees Fahrenheit and even with bomber camping gear, I and everyone I was with was at risk for hypothermia. The conditions were perilous.
I saw a number of immigrants hitchiking or picking there way through the mountainside off-road. There was an immigration checkpoint nearby – I had my car searched a few times passing through (though usually I was just waved on). There were frequent helicopter and airplane surveillance flights over my area and traveling south of the immigration checkpoint, I often passed deployments of five to ten INS trucks speeding off in the same direction, off-road. INS pickups have mini-jails built into their beds, akin to what you might see on your local dog catcher’s truck.
I say all of this to set the frame for how difficult it is to immigrate illegally into America. It is physically dangerous. It is high risk. It requires avoiding massive amounts of American security personnel.
I felt the power of my white privilege more these last two weeks than ever before. All that I did was be born American – just as every man and woman I saw in the back of INS trucks greatest crime in the eyes of our government was being born Mexican. I think that if someone wants to risk their life to come to America and have a better one, all the more power to them. Their desires should be respected and honored and the path to America should be made easier, not harder.
Many, certainly myself included, would have walked on live coals for Senator Clinton not so long ago. No more. The sense, scent and taste of this politician’s betrayal is acrid, pungent and suffocating.
OT, but I just returned from the Media Reform Conference in Memphis, sponsored by Freepress. A thoroughly exciting worthwhile conference! Speakers were Bill Moyers, Bob Greenwald, Jesse Jackson, Jane Fonda, Geena Davis, Amy Goodman and some brilliant young activists.
CNN==Bill Richardson says he supports using the power of the purse to end the war in Iraq–it’s “an ultimate decision by Congress.” Says it doesn’t mean cutting off support for the troops, but that the escalation shouldn’t happen without Congressional approval and public support.
Athena, over at the new First Draft, went to hear Obama today:
He smacked everybody around. The local mayor who hired his political cronies, the police chief under investigation for various offenses too lengthy to detail, ministers for liking the applause of their congregations. These people, by the way, were sitting not twenty feet away from him and he said this stuff to their faces. “We don’t need that kind of leadership,” he said, looking right at them. “You know what I’m talking about.”
He called out Bush, for spending billions in Baghdad and nothing at home, for saying we were going to eradicate poverty after Katrina and then letting NOLA evacuees continue to rot in trailers (yelling “They can’t come home!”).
Now, if he would do that on Meet the Press…
watching is only watching, and will not be much of a factor, if it is not backed by a crediblle threat of bolting, of withdrawal of support, of voting for a 3rd party or staying home, rather than sullying one’s conscience with a vote for an equivocating ‘Nearly as Evil’ amoral ambitious hustler like Obama or Hillary.
the Left Blogosphere should not be counted upon to treat this suggestion as some kind of doctrinal heresy, and Nader as the pariah who somehow assured Bush’s victory in florida, because then you’re just grumpy foot soldiers who will complain and yell a bit, but still march lemminglike off a cliff as directed by the washington Dem establishment, every Nov 2nd, until some Decider decides this election rigamarole is not needed anymore.
Oh I love when I log on to FDL and see Mohammed Ali.
If Libby is lying, and I assume he is, I cannot fathom why, unless he has in his possession, written promise of a pardon.
Lines are being drawn, folks so let’s make things absolutely clear: as of this moment John Edwards is our man.
Got that? John Edwards, not Brand X (aka. Barak Obama)
As for Hillary and Pelosi, they’re two peas in a giant Invasion of the Body Snatchers seed-pod.
Smash them — now and repeatedly. We cannot afford to waste a nanosecond of time on these shit-worthless bitches!
ixnay on the itchesbay
Oklahoma kiddo @ 35
why would anybody trust the shrub – written or no?
Sounds like time to round up the posse again and schedule some visits.
scarecrow, selise, Kathryn, McGee, etc. are you getting Pach’s message?
It’s going to be hard to tear us away from the Libby trial to make our way into Boston, though. Must. Remember. Priorities.
David Ehrenstein @ 37
Don’t forget Joe (i-pod)
OldCoastie @ 39
Perhaps if the ‘trust’ backed up by blackmail? ;)
ccmask @ 41
Joe yes, Pelosi no
Pach at 17 — I think it’s more along the lines of getting a few GOPers to join in a non-binding resolution. I heard somewhere yesterday that McConnell had been talking seriously with McCain and others about filibustering it to prevent that from happening on the record. Whoever heard of filibustering a nonbinding resolution — and how scared are you if you are talking about it with someone who is going to blab it out to Bob Schieffer of CBS? (Come to think of it, maybe McCain blabbed it, since he was the gueset Schieffer was interviewing at the time the question got asked about the possible filibuster. Hmmmmmm….) Something is definitely going on behind the scenes with this kabuki — and I have not been able to get any bead on what it is, exactly. But I’ll be making some calls tomorrow to see if I can find some answers.
Wow folks! Can’t leave ya for even a 2/3-day, whew.
DEFINITELY will be back to read in detail later, but home late & no time now, so just want to pass on info. that someone else probably already alerted the crash-crew on, but still…. just to make sure….
Tweetie shows every sign of wanting to become a blanket all over the scooter-show. Given Tweet’nLow’s track-record for going nitwitty at slightest provocation, just wanted to sound a warning in case relevant.
My guess is, proper FDL folk have it all well-in-hand already.
Bye for now. Apologies for fly-bye. Can’t wait to get stuff taken care of here & get back to read in full…*sigh*
[good luck & godspeed tomorrow-&-onward live-bloggers ;->]
Bush doesn’t even give pardons when he farts, or kills people:
Real classy President we got here.
Reading this post with Dr Kings speech playing on Democracy Now in the background….dayum (tear)
In some ways I think that those people on this blog who are minorities or gay or elderly or sick or mentally ill are the ones BEST able to appreciate the situation of innocent people who are being hauled off to the new American concentration camps.
We understand the loss of dignity. New post at egregiousBlog about dignity—the shrinking room.
We have the energy to demand that people be treated better, because we know what it’s like to be treated poorly.
Tucker got HIS smirk from Bush.
OldCoastie @ 39
He will pardon this away because Cheney will order him to do so.
SING OUT LOUISE!
We’re also big fans of Children of Men.
Oilfieldguy @ 46
Tucker’s one and only valuable contribution to our national dialog.
When it says Libbey Libbey Libbey on the docket docket docket you will like it like it like it when Christy blogs it blogs it blogs it.
Susan in Iowa @ 89
Even if this is true as an analysis or explanation, it’s tactically cute and strategically, and morally, bankrupt, if you actually want to force the President to defy the Congress – a Congress that in theory may wish to oppose him – on his escalation commitment.
Cheney says you can’t run a war “by a committee,” meaning the Congress, in whom the Constitution invests war powers. This is the radical power grab a non-binding resolution abets.
Tucker’s most valuable contribution to our national dialogue will come when he takes the gas pipe.
If the Democratic Senators want to make a highly irrelevent symbolic vote, why do they choose to do it this way?
Vote on the President’s plan, up or down. Surely no idiot winger would filibuster dear leaders own plan.
Sometimes I think these guys need a check-up from the neck-up.
Still, a lot of work went in prying control away from the warmongering rubberstampers. We need more than rice cakes.
neurophius @ 43
I have to agree with neurophius here. Not Pelosi. I have been really proud of her since she became speaker and I trust her.
I would think if Bush and/or Cheney concluded that the only way to save themselves from impeachment or criminal prosecution they would do a pardon.
Thank you Pach, for this reminder to make my calls and write my letters. I’m blessed with terrific representatives – Leahy, Sanders and Welch; and I have taken a little personal space away from politics, but – time to roll up the sleeves and get back to work.
Cui bono? is ALWAYS the most important question — and the key to moral and intellectual clarity.
I only wish it were about Iraq.
It’s now Iran and the only power we have is to watch it and weep.
(And pray there’s enough to salvage in 2 years)
PS If anyone who reads this thinks I’m wrong or too pessimistic, PLEASE let me know the error of my thinking.
Oilfieldguy @ 56
Up-or-down was only imortant to Republicans when they were in the majority. Now, the sanctity of the filibuster must be preserved.
Oldfield -
Left a question for you near end of last thread.
Bush IS a crime against humanity.
Badwater @ 62
The point is they are offering a non-binding resolution opposing the Presidents plan, which is drawing talks of filibuster.
If they flipped it to a non-binding resolution endorsing the Presidents plan, it would take the filibuster off the table.
Which completely sidesteps the point of Pachs–we did not vote to escalate the war–quite the opposite, so we really need something more substantial.
So, Pach, you feel this is cover for a frontrunner? Hmmm. Interesting.
Waccamaw @
63
Ice on roads.
Oilfieldguy – many apologies on the name slaughter – preview is my friend *g*
Waccamaw @ 67
Saw a story in the paper the other day that referred to Jane Hamsher as a “logger”.
Redd – BBC coming on here in CA at 5pm… you were on about 20 minutes past?
Send Senator Levin (D – Coelenterate) this -
The Costs of War: Michigan
http://64.233.167.104/search?q…..chigan.pdf number of military dead in Iraq from Michigan&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6
as of 10/06
pdf avail.
Could peace be around the corner in the Israel-Palestine conflict? I mentioned this a few threads ago. Today Condi was in talks to lay the groundwork for a horizon to a map to a peace deal. I could not make this stuff up. No word yet on whether the horizon will be augmented or not.
What is it with these people and the English language? Bush with his fear of words with more than 2 syllables. Cheney with his last throes and repetition of lies no matter how many times they are debunked. O my goodness Rumsfeld with his untidy deadenders. And now Condi sitting on her horizon contemplating birth pangs and augmentation.
Language, people, logic, these guys will torture anything.
Christy,
If you are still around, I sent you an email.
No Al Gore in U.S Presidential race-Reuters
Jan. 15 -Al Gore says that he will not run in the 2008 election, saying he was involved in “a different kind of campaign.”
jeffreyw @ 73
Al Gore will be drafted into the race by popular acclaim in December of 2007, after everyone else has slugged it out for many months. i will support him wholeheartedly.
sporkovat @ 33
The issue is Iran – and war in general. It has been long identified that there is not simply a Dem and Rep party but rather a war party and the remaining few pols and most of the American people. Howard Dean, that great bastion of maverich bold anti-Iraq war has made it pretty damn clear that he (and I’m sure his war party) is all for an Iran invasion.
If we don’t get this then we miss what it is we’re “watching”. Levin was in the minority and as a meaningless aka impotent player, he could give all kinds of cover through a faux search for an exit. NOW, he can make those threats real and what does he do? Again, we’ve got to understand the problem here. I’m all for making the gesture and contacting representatives and swamping Levin’s office, but that assumes a whole lot – kind of like trying to negotiate an orderly exit plan with bush admin – yea sure!!
Hugh @ 20
Levin also likes warm tepid baths tested by someone else to make sure it’s not too hot.
OFG: I saw that Jane was a logger too. lol
Oilfieldguy @ 68
For a truth!?! What paper? Hope you passed that along to her even if it was nothing more than a typo.
As a Canadian aside…..I was wonderin….
Whatever happened to that ‘deck of cards’, bad person list that the US had posted?…
Who were the Ace of Spades?…And were all of them ever brought to justice?…
Because I haven’t heard the wingnuts using that winning frame in a long time…sic….
I wish the Dems had the intensity that you see in Ali’s face in the pic.
Hugh @
71
Hugh,
I put this up the other day. A Bush haiku, made up entirely of Bush quotes. Remarkalish.
If I come across a car with two hubcaps stolen, that doesn’t make it okay to steal the other two,” a left-wing logger and Hollywood producer who has followed the case, Jane Hamsher, said.
http://www.nysun.com/article/46588?page_no=2
Meaning #1: a lumberman who cuts trees into logs after the trees have been felled.
Meaning #2: a blogger who does the heavy lifting.
Canadianhoser @ 79
They moved to a six deck shuffle, under the table for our security.
Murray Waas to live blog Libbey trial for C&L
O/T. But fun news. CTblogger has gotten some youtube honors this morning, on account of
a videoclip of Holy Joe Lieberman yesterday that’s spreading across the blogs nationally right now.
I think it might be the Hagel/Dodd/Lieberman smackdown on MTP
I want to see people in office start talking about the president ignoring the constitution
I want them to start saying he’s acting like they are meaningless, what he says goes
I want them to start comparing him to king George and I want them to start challenging the patriotism of any politician that wants to allow the president say he doesn’t have to yeild to the will of congress
edwards is the man to start that ball rolling, him and feingold
Keith takes on Stimson tonight. Good.
Brent Budowsky argues that the nonbinding resolution works as an opening tactic because is gives the Repubs no cover. There are no appropriations to vote for, just: do you support escalation or not? He thinks it will force them to oppose it if they are running in 08. Which is why McConnell is threatening filibuster–he doesn’t want all those R votes on record against it. It’s an interesting take, I think. Maybe Levin has a good reason for wanting it, as opposed to being gutless.
The only way I can see peace in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is for the United States to treat Palestinians with the same dignity with which we treat the Israelis. Oh, and a Palestinian homeland with self-rule would be helpful also.
Oilfieldguy @ 81
LOL. So is make the pie higher Bush’s version of “May the force be with you”? It gives me this image of the climactic moment in Star Wars and the voice of Obi-wan saying, “Trust the pie, Luke, trust the pie.”
Eureka @#84: Priceless! :))))
What can I say? The more I read/hear about John Edwards the better I feel about him. Liked him for the 2004 primary, like him even better now.
For some unfathomable reason my comments and responses of late are appearing upthread.
Waccamaw @ 78
“Jane’s a lumberjack, and she’s OK
Sleeps all night and works all day”
Pachacutec @ 94
kirkmurphy-itis!
Is there a list of surge/no surge congresscritters yet? I know Joey Switch-Pack is in the Surge column and Dodd is in the no Surge column.
punaise @ 96
Ah… that happened to me also once lately. And I remember KM’s problems. Possible WP glitch, I think.
I think I had a response eaten, too. I did a hard refresh and I seem to be commenting here in the basement again.
Monty Python’s Lumberjack Song
Pachacutec @ 99
Yes and it was delicious, I must say.
It’s a conspiracy by FDL to SILENCE ME!!
Heh. Sorry.
Turley poses a good question re Stimson.
“What does it take in this administration to get fired?”
I think we have an answer to that. Look at Lam in CA and the other prosecutors who are being fired for going after the bad guys. Doing you job and doing it well, in this administration is grounds for firing.
Gore/Edwards 2008
While a fierce battle over President Bush’s “new way forward” in Iraq is being joined in the halls of Congress, an even more ferocious war of words is taking place to win the hearts and minds of the American people. To understand the differences between “surge”, “escalation” and “augmentation,” see:
“Understanding the White House’s Iraq Vocabulary.”
shooogarp @ 104
Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
The toobz are extremely slow for me tonite. Anyone else?
Nothin’ like quoting yourself. heh.
ccmask, the toobz are also slow for me.
ccmask @ 101
With some browsers, if you use the edit comment feature, sometimes the earlier comment does not fully close. If you use “edit comment” it may be smart to refresh/reload your screen before you type a new comment.
We also experience occasional server glitches that may cause this problem. Sorry.
RevDeb -
Didn’t Keith say something to the effect that disagreeing w/the admin. WILL get you fired in response to Turley’s question? Sure hope Turley has laid in a supply of blood pressure meds b/c if he doesn’t need them now, he surely will in the future.
RevDeb @ 88
was not aware til i heard the quote tonight that the firms were called out by name. mccarthyism.
The tooobz must be slow. It seems like I’m in here talking to myself, and I’m on dial-up!
Echo!
toobz are acting normal here.
A thought this was a really good post at Pressthink on the “Grave and Deteriorating for the Children of Agnew” thread, posted by roooth @ 11:44:
—
The children of Agnew have been fully on his (Bush’s), side, soldiers in his struggle, happy warriors with Bush”
Yeah, except for the part where they would actually put on a uniform and really serve….that’s the ultimate disconnect from reality here; that these ideological midgets are soldiers in any true sense of the word.
They’re happy warriors, all right, because they’re SAFE warriors. The only post they valiently man is at their keyboards, or in front of a TV camera, or a radio microphone. The only hits they take are from other bloggers. None of them will ever need – or earn – a bed at Walter Reed.
You want to talk reality in right-wing blogville? The reality is that this whole thing is little more than a reality TV show for them. They clog the internet the way Clay Aiken fans clog the American Idol phone lines, thinking that what they do really matters, thinking that because they mouth support, they really are a part of it all.
They give glassy-eyed, cheering support for their hero, revising all facts to fit into their hero mythology. They revere Bush the way a Nascar fan reveres Dale Earnhardt, with about the same level of intellectual complexity.
Except, of course, Clay Aiken, and the right-wing blogoshpere aren’t likely to be blown up by an IED. And even Dale Earnhardt’s kids haven’t signed up to fight the “war of our generation”.
These people, (the right-wing bloggos, not Clay or the Earnhardt boys), are sociopaths. They are incapable of empathizing with those who have been damaged by the policies they support. They only care about the points they make in their little “campaigns” against those who disagree with them politically. And they are very careful to keep their asses far away from danger while still remaining in the spotlight.
Dying or being maimed for the policies they support is for someone else to do.
In other words, they are despicable.
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubz…..l#comments
Iraqis will never accept this sellout to the oil corporations
The US-controlled Iraqi government is preparing to remove the country’s most precious resource from national control
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..20,00.html
TeddySanFran @ 112
Other than the firm representing Irving, I hadn’t heard any of the names before either. It would seem to me that those would be the preferred firms to give business to.
But then again it is the repigs who are in the greatest need of lawyers these days. And that will only grow.
RevDeb: those were all big name DC firms.
Yeah, I lost some comments. My hypothesis about why Levin is doing this is gone.
Pachacutec @ 118
Yes. I’m not surprised about that. I was agreeing that in posts that I’ve read about Stimson’s statement they had not mentioned the names before other than the one representing Irving.
So if the Repigs are told to stay away from those law firms, who is going to represent them when the hearing pile-on begins?
Pachacutec @ 119
Is it akin to Susan in Iowa’s 89 (5:02)?
Pachacutec @ 119
can we get the Cliff Notes version?
What happened was my 54 kept getting written over. I lost some stuff about why, perhaps, Levin is taking this action. I’m not sure I could, or really want to, try to rewrite all that stuff.
I really like Edwards, with Gore or Feingold – people with some brass and IQ. Went to his site from FDL link, watched his speech they have there and signed up!
Now to get more land of Lincoln people involved – one vote at a time!
punaise @
74
Way to go Punaise – you sure know how to warm up an otherwise frigid day for this old brat – and count me in heart and soul for a draft Gore netroots, grass roots campaign here, there and everywhere. Woo Hoo! Just the thought of making every effort to re-elect this splendid man for President holds the promise of not simply healing the grief thrust upon us by the Bush/Cheney thieving operatives it will restore confidence worldwide that we the people know a thing or two about sweet poetic justice. The only question remaining is when shall we start? I vote sooner than later.
Susan in Iowa @
89
He might realize that it will have as much power as anything else that passes.
I would still like to hear from anyone a valid argument as to why we should believe Bush/Cheney would abide by any external authority or order.
Who is Stimson?
Howie, if you are still around I left a comment for your #158 that was EPU’ed on the previous thread.
newspaperbrat @ 125
hey, npb! somebody else postulated the December 2007 part, but it bore repeating. I recently heard the tail end of a rebroadcast Gore’s stunning January 17, 2006 speech on Constitutional Issues.
per Josh, back then:
Oilfieldguy @
68
I saw it too; recommended she wear the Burberry Plaid hat in honor of the label.
neurophius @ 127
NYT article here
Maybe we should point out that he would have a tall soapbox to shout from were he to accept a draft and run on the ticket with Edwards.
If he doesn’t want the top of the ticket with all that entails, the VP slot would let him concentrate on his issue. Cheney demonstrates that the vice slot is not without power.
neurophius @ 127
Several posts explain it.
Here Here Here
Arthur whomps Sully upside the head.
Levin is one of my biggest disappointments since the election. He “led” by blaming the Iraqis and for that he is on the receiving end of a whole lotta pfffts and ptooeys from me.
This has GOT to change and PDQ– I am sick of it.
btw, where are the dems on Israel/Palestine?
I have heard nothing.
Let me try to recover one point eaten in the thread from one of my earlier comments.
The main idea was that Levin’s actions here are surprising, and the hypothesis is he’s acting as a surrogate for any one or all of the ‘08 hopefuls who want to avoid an oversight collision course with the administration for their own purposes.
The usual triangulators come to mind.
I also attacked the notion that Levin’s course of action has any moral or strategic merit, and I specified the reasons for my analysis. I have a comment here that covers some of this, but some was lost, and anyway, it’s not that important. Levin is not acting in the interests of the voters, and the reasons are not entirely clear. Something does not add up.
Disclaimer: I was against the invasion and occupation of Iraq from the very beginning. I’m against the proposed escalation of troops on moral grounds.
Is anyone here aware that Donald Rumsfeld theatened to fire anyone who even mentioned planning for the occupation phase of the Iraq invasion?
Now on to my major point:
If Democrats do not want to have “losing” Iraq hung around their neck like a dead stinking albatrosss for the forseeable future, they will not oppose the proposed escalation too vigorously. Despite the fact that Eisenhower got us into Vietnam and Nixon got us out, Democrats have ever since been painted as “weak on defense”.
Make no mistake, the Republican noise machine and their fellow travelers in the MSM will hang losing Iraq around the neck of the Democrats. The general public has the attention span and memory of an ant with ADD and will buy the Republican spin after quite a short period.
Opposing the escalation in Iraq will be a short term win for the Democrats, but I fear that it will be a long term loss. If we really want to do something to help our country out of the mess it is in, we have to think long term else the Republicans will be back in power in a relatively short period of time.
Well, in order to not be painted as losers or weak on defense, perhaps we should do as Katrina vanden Heuvel intimated and keep bringing up the thousands of Americans maimed and dead… I don’t know about those that support booshco, but it makes me really sad and sick to my stomach.
(not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans similarly broken and dead.)
Yeah, Pach– something is up and it is the incumbency protection racket and K street and more, I fear.
(I hope that I am wrong)
Pachacutec @ 136
the usual tri-ungulates, a bunch of hindgut fermenters.
Because we should always define our strategic choices on matters of war, life and death based on the fear of Republicans calling us names. After all, if we don’t make a fuss, they won’t call us names.
When the Cold War inevitably collapsed in the late 80’s -early 90’s, the Corporate-Military Complex knew their meal ticket to milk the Treasury also went south with it.
Some of the slack was taken up with the Corporate -Prison Complex, I.E. lock up a huge portion of every minority in America. The favorite Modus Operadis of the Corporate-Prison Complex was using “The War on Drugs” as a funneling mechanism to ‘recruit’ warm bodies with a pulse into the prison system that was essentially built by ‘defense’ contractors.
It’s not to say crime was not a problem, but exploiting it for such obvious financial gain in such a super-sized way was new.
It was thinking Big. It was such a Corporate view of the problem.
Crime stats had been going down, up until Bushite’s reign, but not to worry, a good war will bring back the Gravy Train of government sponsored largess toward The Corporate Welfare Status Quo.
It’s like writing computer viruses with one hand, and selling anti-virus software with the other.
Hmm What a cynical notion, perish the thought.
The tab for Iraq is approaching half a Trillion dollars. The larder is getting bare. The kids and grand kids can kiss there inheritance goodbye.
The Rethuglicans will use the MSM whores to pistol whip the Demos for not supporting the troops two years from now.
The public will bite, they always do.I think alot of the public has turned on the Rethugs not because they are immoral dirtbags, Americans love winners, and the current crop of Rethugs are losers.
But don’t worry, as my grandfather would say, the NeoConvicts know how to,”Polish a Turd”
2008 is Wide Open.
I think it’s good to revisit old articles that were trying to tell us how bad it was at the time. Well, it is worse now but here is a detailed look at what we’re dealing with.
At this point, it doesn’t matter what anyone does. The more that die the more he’ll send. This isn’t a fluke. This is an established pattern
Without a Doubt
Saturday 17 October 2004
Pachacutec @ 118
BIG. And old. I heard Fulbright & Jaworski as well as Covington & Burling. Did you catch any others, Pach?
new thread.
TeddySanFran @
143
I recognized a bunch of names, but didn’t write anything down. I could surf a database of DC firms I have in my office, only I’m not in my office. By the time I am the transcript will be out and it will be moot. Tomorrow I’m in the courthouse all day.
RevDeb @
40
Can roll within a minutes time! ( i live in one of the communities that had Minutemen march to Concord)
TeddySanFran @
143
Perkins Coie was one that I knew.
Pachacutec @ 136
It is very important to one MidEast ally that their interests in American outcomes be protected. Were an ally so dependent upon neo-con support to see them threatened by a newly restive Democratic Congress, wouldn’t that ally move to ensure the Democrats did not abandon it?
Some Senate Democrats are not speaking out on:
1. A larger war, in Iran and Syria
2. Palestine
3. Lebanon
4. Gaza
Who is served by the silence of the Dems?
Kathryn in MA @ 146
Kathryn,
Gotten sicker since we last communicated. It will be a while before I get to the CSpan video. Did watch V though.
You all may have to make dates in Boston without me this round. I have a very busy month ahead of me.
Pachacutec @
54
That was one spot-on comment from you, Pachacutec.
Here’s another from Glenn Greenwald and one of his commenters, from Friday:
I mean, come on, these Members of Congress know damn well what they are dealing with here, but they just don’t want to be bothered with bringing on the necessary confrontation to face Cheney and Bush down.
No bully gets stopped by any other method. They’re asking for it. The Democrats must give Bush and Cheney what they’re asking for on behalf of the American people and the United States Constitution. Our Congress is the only “special interest group” our Constitution has on its side right now – yet that group is of a mind to retire to the sidelines, as it has now shamefully done repeatedly every time the Chief Executive re-”decided” he’d rather be King. The willful one will permanently prevail over the retiring ones, no matter the disparity in numbers, if this keeps up much longer. Our poor, wise, war-hardened and war-weary Founders…
Pachacutec @ 145
If you’re gonna be in the Prettyman courthouse for jury selection all day tomorrow, I’m glad you’re starting to throw around words like “moot.” Have fun! You’ll be giving us the shrink POV on jury selection, right?
Pach: I thought you might like this from MLK, via Juan Cole:
‘ I want to say one other challenge that we face is simply that we must find an alternative to war and bloodshed. Anyone who feels, and there are still a lot of people who feel that way, that war can solve the social problems facing mankind is sleeping through a great revolution. ‘ MLK
Gentleman Jim @ 141
If the Dems in Congress flip flop around for months and let one lone McCain ultimately walk into the white house and tell the president it’s time to go to the country club. We will repeat this war cycle again.
Congress failed to complete their job during the end of Nixon and after Viet Nam.
A bad pardon, even worse no accountability for policy or the smaller players or huge war profiteering.
It’s not just the war, it’s our constitution, the rule(s) of law on so many levels.
(see pachs post above)
pow-wow
I’ve been asking a question for a while now, with little to no response.
If/when that showdown comes, who do you think will have authority to stop Bush? I think for the law to work it has to first be recognized by everyone participating. If Bush/Cheney say that no authority matches theirs, then what?
ccmask @ 152
amen.
rumi @ 154
We keep talking/thinking about the “coming” constitutional crisis. It is already upon us. The question is what will it take to set a response in motion? Refused subpoenas? Stonewalling? Overridden vetoes that go unheeded? What will it take?
Levin strikes me as an Establishment Democrat who operates in very Senatorial ways. Take for example his Amendment in 2006 for a phased withdrawal from Iraq but without a timetable. It was voted down by the Republicans but was supported by most Democrats. Its fate was known in advance but instead of taking a firm position like the Kerry Amendment presented at the same time (which few Democrats supported), it expressed a general intention without any real teeth. So I would take Levin’s actions now as more Senate I Ching. Whatever it is it is the safe course and meant for Senate consumption only, not for the public.
Jonathan @ 137
Umm, if your point depends in part on this, you might have to rethink it. This meme was begun by the Republicans during the Congressional races of 1946, and it has been a consistent one ever since.
The entire notion of “weak on defense” is a canard which will have to change, anyway, since our fate is sealed and delivered unless we learn that we cannot afford an imperial army and solve the problems of the next five decades, too.
Yes.
Dangit, RevDeb, i’m joning for a croissant now. Why didn’t i eat more when i had the chance?
RevDeb @ 156
When impeachment occurs.. President Pelosi will order cashmere jumpsuits for the gentlemans escort parade…)
Wouldn’t it be nice if the vote came in the Senate and it tied and Cheney had to come vote?
RevDeb @ 156
I don’t want this but it seems inevitable….the situation that B/C are creating in Iraq is criminally negligent. The decisions made, advice ignored and likely disastrous consequences could easily result in mass US troop casualties that the US public are not at all expecting. The troops would be so outnumbered by so many enemies that their survival would be the best to hope for.
Trouble is, B/C have shown that it doesn’t matter except to create the need for greater sacrifice so as not to be in vain. The more that die the more he’ll dig in and refuse to pull out.
At this point, the entire region would be so dangerous that I think it might actually be unconstitutional to attempt to remove him regardless of how dangerous he is…a Catch 22
ccmask – Only if he wears the darth mask.
707 Eureka. That’s two for you tonite!
Am I missing something?
Does anyone sincerely believe that Bush would accept an impeachment….a warrant? He won’t even accept an opposing opinion. He is convinced that he has the untouchable authority and responsibility to make these decisions. The laws don’t apply to him, in his mind, so it would not affect him no matter what Congress does.
rumi @ 154
rumi –
I think the first major victory would simply be the ability to have a “constitutional confrontation” show-down acknowledged as such in the major corporate media. The ‘way out’ wouldn’t necessarily yet be clear, but the fact that the Congressional majority had stood up, united, to oppose specific action(s) of Bush/Cheney on specific Constitutional grounds – daring them, in effect, to proceed in the face of that opposition – that would alone set many wheels in motion. The media could not continue to ignore such an opposition, and Bush would have to seriously consider his options. Constitutional experts might finally start getting consulted on air, etc., etc. The country might be able to get an education about its own Constitution.
The American people are already on the side of Congress/the Democrats with regard to Iraq, even though – as a Time writer put it well – the Democrats basically only ‘did nothing to break the fall’ of the Republicans, leading up to the elections. Well, it’s going to take more than that now.
Serious contemplation of potential moves ought to be underway now in the ‘councils of power’ of Congress, and I’m sure there are multiple options they could choose as preliminary steps. If it takes going to court, so be it. That’s what the Constitution envisions.
And at a certain point, with enough Executive Branch defiance of the authority of a co-equal, or multiple co-equal branches of government, the only remaining option – impeachment ‘by popular and media acclaim’ – may be the unexpected end result. I can’t see that far ahead, but I know which fork in the road we need to take now.
And rumi, re your #166 -
A critical thing to remember about Bush and Cheney is their always-present veneer of lawful behavior and respectability. They have never openly, flagrantly defied the law or the courts, without some fig leaf of a “legal” excuse, crafted by craven sycophants like Yoo. The options Congress needs to try should definitely include, and hopefully achieve, some method of finally (politically or legally) boxing Bush and Cheney into a corner, where there is no longer any legal ‘fig leaf’ left for them to hide behind.
The administration’s supporters in the corporate “respectable” media absolutely require that fig leaf to continue to provide their support and coverage, and thus credibility, to the administration. Open defiance of either Congress or the Judicial Branch (especially with regard to Iraq) would be a very different cup of tea for the administration than even the (mostly unreported) 90%-defiance they’ve been practicing by way of their pseudo-compliance with a perverted version of the law and the Constitution.
pow-wow
Thanks for that thoughtful reply. I agree but I get the feeling that the opposition is so far behind that it is impossible to catch up now. The escalation plans and impending/current actions with Iran jumped the position of the Nov wins.
What is the Constitutional foundation of removal from office during escalating military hostilities, on multiple fronts? or…How bad can it get before we can’t do anything about it?
pow wow @ 168
This is exactly where they gain their strength and the people’s position has been undermined. That cunning legal distinction they claim has been strengthened each time the politicians, pundits and MSM have enabled it.
I was screaming for action for years…up until the Alito celebratory circle-jerk. I figured the admin we have is the admin the Dems wanted. I gave up most hope then but it got much worse, much faster than I thought it would.
If the Democrats would finally get their members united behind an unyielding, principled majority position, the larger numbers that make up Congress would finally start to make a difference, I think, in public perception. The country is already so far ahead of Congress that things could quickly mesh to box Bush in. But we are in uncharted American territory here, in many ways, so who knows how far is too far…
I think that saying by Goethe applies to this situation and to this Congress:
There hasn’t been any inspired “genius, power or magic” in defense of the American Constitution in our Congress for decades now. Time to begin and, if they do, I’m confident that the rest will follow and flow from the principled decision to act.
I could even see a strong bipartisan alliance of Constitution huggers that would be essentially an intervention team. The problem with that is the situation would have to get so bad, such as mass casualties in Iraq and/or serious involvement with Iran that the legal grounds for removal might be gone.
…mass casualties wouldn’t cause the outrage that $100.00 bbl oil would cause.
rumi @ 172
unless we are forced to see the casualties– you know touch them, feel them, smell them. Unfortunately, we don’t. This administration held up 9/11 as a “shiny thing” and exploited all of the pain and grief for their own benefit and pockets rather than seeking out the cause. I lost friends that day and it still hurts, but I lose potential friends all around the world every day that this confounded and misguided and evil policy moves forward, inexorably, to the end.
angie @ 173
I’m completely in synch with your comments. I’ve been feeling the death and suffering of the innocents and I’ve taken that energy to try sparking a positive change. I’ve lost family, friends, material possessions and opportunity…been insulted, shunned, ignored…for speaking out on behalf of people I’ll never know. I won’t stop but it is frustrating to see a prevalent lack of empathy.
Just sent emails off to my congresscritters (incl. Sen Levin)
A young friend who just finished boot camp (now training in Germany) thinks that he will be sent to SOMALIA!!!
This s**t has got to stop.
hpschd
registered in MI-10th
living in Toronto
rumi– thank you for your thoughts
hpschd– yes, it does. it is as plain as can be; we are provoking the downtrodden, the survivors of horrible violence, and disassociating ourselves from humanity and justice with our actions. It is fast becoming the “Crusades”.
awful.
Interesting: Ironically, the words from MLK’s 1967 speech at Riverside Church that John Edwards quoted Sunday and made the central theme of his own speech were not King’s own words. “A time comes when silence is betrayal.” Also, while Edwards quoted King on personal responsibility, he did not quote from his radical systemic critique of American capitalism, militarism and racism. King issued a challenge that still haunts us today: ” If we do not act, we shall surely be dragged down the long, dark, and shameful corridors of time reserved for those who possess power without compassion, might without morality, and strength without sight.”