FITZ!!!

Yep. I just feel ‘em.

TRex, that should make you happy, since I am there for you in spirit.

fitzer

fitzest

TRex !!

now to read

But…but…Ledeen is supposed to be DEAD.

We didn’t get the stake thru the heart?

Damn.

I really hate neocons…

I could start in on the laptop that the neocons were shopping around a few months ago supposedly “proving” that the Iranians had a nuclear program.

(1) Of course they do we GAVE them the plans. See recent book by NY Times writer whose name escapes me. The one who in 2005 reported about the NSA program of spying on American citizens.

(2) A program in Farsi proves, at minimum, the ability to translate into Farsi. I was very hotheaded in my insistence on this point months ago when the laptop thingie started making the rounds. Hope it helped.

No, I think we had it. We certainly had it in Baghdad at the beginning. And I think that if we were successful in supporting democratic revolution in Tehran, we’d have unbelievable popular support, and I should think in Damascus as well, although I should confess I don’t know Syria as well as I know Iran.

Wishful thinking works best if you try it often. You can achieve as much as, say, a 0.05% success rate through sheer repetition.

clap your hands and democracy will appear!

egregious @
6

But…but…Ledeen is supposed to be DEAD.

We didn’t get the stake thru the heart?

Damn.

That presumes the existence of a heart.

egregious @ 6

But…but…Ledeen is supposed to be DEAD.

We didn’t get the stake thru the heart?

Damn.

I thought it was stake through the heart, then cut off the head, stuff the mouth full of Communion wafers, and burn the head and body on separate pyres. And if that doesn’t work, it’s time to get serious.

Personal war essay at the link below:

War becomes a part of our a DNA. It’s passed on to our children and on to our children’s children. It disfigures everything it touches. How dare anyone purposefully bring it into our lives when other options still remain.

http://dulceetdecorumest.org/t…..-h-w-bush/

But the smartest people I know have been thoroughly astonished at recent French and German behavior…

And this could only be the orange-fingered buddies of his circle jerk – all who suffer from Cheetomania.

egregious @ 8

I could start in on the laptop that the neocons were shopping around a few months ago supposedly “proving” that the Iranians had a nuclear program.

(1) Of course they do we GAVE them the plans. See recent book by NT Times writer whose name escapes me. The one who in 2005 reported about the NSA program of spying on American citizens.

(2) A program in Farsi proves, at minimum, the ability to translate into Farsi. I was very hotheaded in my insistence on this point months ago when the laptop thingie started making the rounds. Hope it helped.

James Risen, Eric Lichtblau

BBC giving air via World Service radio to the great Boxer barren Condi ‘debate’. Blogger Mary Katherine ‘Hutton’? for the right. One on the left I have no idea. Segment last about 5 min.

blahblahblah.

What a waste of bandwidth.

Michael Ledeen must be rolling over in his grave realizing that his passing was of so little note that most of the few of us who give a fuck about what a sleazy, lying, manipulating guy he was, didn’t even know or care that he is gone.

Actually I did know and do care and, paraphrasing Evil Dr. Puma, it IS time to get serious. He WAS the forger’s controller.

For Ledeen, Khamenei’s death is just a success that hasn’t happened yet.

Good post TRex. I’m sitting here shaking my head at the absolute stupidy of the neocons and even more baffling is that people listen to them!

That is flat-out astounding!

Mad Dogs @ 14

But the smartest people I know have been thoroughly astonished at recent French and German behavior…

And this could only be the orange-fingered buddies of his circle jerk – all who suffer from Cheetomania.

If I were Ledeen (and I thank God every day that I’m not), I might consider the possibility that the smartest people I know are paranoid idiots.

Ed*ard Teller @ 17

Michael Ledeen must be rolling over in his grave realizing that his passing was of so little note that most of the few of us who give a fuck about what a sleazy, lying, manipulating guy he was, didn’t even know or care that he is gone.

Actually I did know and do care and, paraphrasing Evil Dr. Puma, it IS time to get serious. He WAS the forger’s controller.

ET- not sure the guy is actually dead. JSwifty’s post and TRex’s tongue in cheek may have been misleading.

Also, ET, left you a somewhat cryptic comment on an earlier thread:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-457532

If this is correct, we will have to pursue the war against terror far beyond the boundaries of the Middle East, into the heart of Western Europe. —Ledeen

So…not content with destroying—truly destroying—an entire country [not counting the US. But you could.] They want to go beyond Iraq into Iran, and Syria, and Palestine, and Lebanon, and Somalia, and the Greece where the recent attack could not have been false flag because [crickets chirping…] and xyz no offense to commenter *xyz, and then…into WESTERN EUROPE and attack them?

There is an international mafia. With nuclear and biochemical weapons. Some of them have a stranglehold on our government. Have a nice time sleeping tonight.

Thereby followed a long stream of unegregious-like curses.

Jeesh. The sheer audacity and bluster of that Ladeen. All to say absolutely nothing at all. Talk about your empty words. Which is the common theme of the whole media noise machine, aside from a few bright and shining exceptions.

You wouldn’t believe how much i want to get my paws into it and change it. Between that and the farce that is the modern recording industry, it makes me twitchy. I really hope i figure it out by the time i get these music recording tech skills down. I want to use them one way or another, and the best way to do that is to know it from the inside out.

The Fairness Doctrine is only a piece of the puzzle. There’s still the FCC to deal with and it’s own depotism and cronyism. Then rebuilding from the ground up, like everything else nowadays.

egregious @ 22

…Thereby followed a long stream of unegregious-like curses.

Less salt, more pepper…*g*

Ledeen—Well, I’m not sure it will work. But it ought to work. I mean, Iran [OR UNITED STATES] fulfills every condition of a revolutionary society. It’s a wildly unpopular government [CHECK], it’s a very young population[no], they’ve shown their unhappiness with it in every way that you can imagine[BIG TIME], from street demonstrations[YEP] to celebrating banned holidays[?] and everything like that. The polls that the regime itself takes show upwards of 70 percent of the people wanting regime change[DOUBLE TRIPLE CHECK]. So why not? [I ASK YOU.]

I heard he requested that he be cremated and his ashes sold in nickle bags on 42nd street. Is there any truth to this? :)))

Mad Dogs @ 24

egregious @ 22

…Thereby followed a long stream of unegregious-like curses.

Less salt, more pepper…*g*

Honey [little condiment joke] you REALLY dont want to know what I’m like when I get going.

aliasofwestgate @ 23

…The Fairness Doctrine is only a piece of the puzzle. There’s still the FCC to deal with and it’s own depotism and cronyism….

Did you mean “despotism” or “nepotism?” Not that either one would be incorrect when speaking of the FCC.

I don’t know why, but when I read a TRex post it comes through in Dana Carvey’s Church Lady’s voice in my head.

Maybe I have caught this in time.

ccmask @ 26

I heard he requested that he be cremated and his ashes sold in nickle bags on 42nd street. Is there any truth to this? :)))

That was Ahmed Chalabi. And Judy Miller was going to be the dealer.

‘If this is correct, we will have to pursue the war against terror far beyond the boundaries of the Middle East, into the heart of Western Europe. —Ledeen’

Well.. if you accept the doctrine of preemptive war don’t you, by corollary, accept the premise that you must strangle in its crib every infant who MIGHT one day be a danger to society? Then, if you add to that mix the ravings of wingnut cultural warriors about WHICH babies might one day present a threat, then you would inevitable come to the premise that all brown babies must be strangled in their cribs… yep, logically the wingnut mindset would demand that we blow up Clichy-sous-Bois (and every other islamic neighborhood in Europe) today. Now!

Ledeen—The region is happily destabilized.

This is so evil, simply evil, that I will let it pass without further comment.

Valley Girl @ 21

Ed*ard Teller @ 17

Michael Ledeen must be rolling over in his grave realizing that his passing was of so little note that most of the few of us who give a fuck about what a sleazy, lying, manipulating guy he was, didn’t even know or care that he is gone.

Actually I did know and do care and, paraphrasing Evil Dr. Puma, it IS time to get serious. He WAS the forger’s controller.

ET- not sure the guy is actually dead. JSwifty’s post and TRex’s tongue in cheek may have been misleading.

Also, ET, left you a somewhat cryptic comment on an earlier thread:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-457532

VG,

Yeah. Even before W was elected, it was pretty obvious he wasn’t picked ’cause he was smart or something. And, if I was going to let those guys through for the 9/11 job, W would be the last person I’d tell.

On Ledeen, I just did an obit search. No primary reference. To quote Joe Hazelwwod, skipper of the “Exxon Valdez” – “Yeah, should be……..over….”

If we go back to the 1980s and the Iran and Iraq war, there’s evidence that we were supplying both sides with weapons with the hopes that they would weaken and annihilate each other. Now it almost appears our strategy is to go in, bomb these countries back to the stone age so as to completely destabilize both and create as much chaos in the region as possible. Maybe there’s some sort of foreign policy strategy hidden in there somewhere (oil). That’s my off-the-cuff analysis.

EvilDrPuma @ 28

aliasofwestgate @ 23

…The Fairness Doctrine is only a piece of the puzzle. There’s still the FCC to deal with and it’s own depotism and cronyism….

Did you mean “despotism” or “nepotism?” Not that either one would be incorrect when speaking of the FCC.

Despotism is what i think i meant, DocPuma. Thanks! Proof postiive that I need to get to bed at this point.

But ugh. Even those pieces of that interview irked me. Particularly that he can get away with that crap. It’s not the lessons i was taught about in mass media at all. Ethics don’t even come into it anymore. It’s disgusting. No wonder i want to hide in studios and tweak music. I couldn’t do that kind of doublespeak to save my life.

ET- some neocon celebrated the fact that W was an “empty vessel”

And, OT, did you find Strider? (sp?)

Mods who take pity on tired writers: me at 8: not NT Times, NY Times.

Thank you.

[bowing obsequiously in honor of the ridiculously hard work you do. thx.]

I’m watching ‘Manufacturing Consent’, the early 90’s (1992 I believe) documentary about Noam Chomsky. Besides being a fascinating piece of journalism, it is a stunning reminder of how far progressive media and journalism have come since that time. It features several interviews with activist publishers of newsletters and ‘zines and producers of public access local broadcast shows.

The documentary showed the two editors of Z Magazine as they discussed the fact that their publication reaches 5000 people nationally. Other progressive journalists were shown painstakingly putting together a newletter for the printer.

Before the advent of the internet, when corporate media acted as the gatekeeper for journalists and progressive voices, the means of coordination and communications were exponentially more limited, less accessible, slower, economically difficult and unsustainable.

The documentary features Noam speaking at length about what independent publishers, journalists a nd broadcasters were up against at the time. His prognosis for the future of progressive media of this sort was bleak due to what he described as the massive and yeomanlike efforts of individuals that were necessary to sustain such projects in the face of corporate competition and corporate/government opposition. He didn’t seem to see the internet coming…

Now think about FDL, DailyKos, YearlyKos, the Connecticut Bloggers, the wave of Californian Bloggers running for office. How the tide has turned.

If you haven’t seen the movie yet, I highly recommend it. It is a powerful reminder of exactly why the progressive blogosphere is so important and simultaneously so delicate. It reinforces my belief that net neutrality is among the most important, perhaps the most important, legislative goals that we must pursue.

Ledeen can go to hell.

I mean it.

Thank you TRex.

Ah, yes. The Iranians will welcome us with candy and flowies.

Nope, they won’t! We wouldn’t either, folks! Dirty, lying invaders and occupiers would not stand a chance against us.

I call BS!

One, two, three, four
What the hell are we fighting for?

All:

I just heard from Imm. He’s working on yet another case for the Supreme Court. He asked about various people and wants to know how we are.

Of course I begged him to jump back in as we are about to blast off into Plametary orbit.

angie @ 39

Ledeen can go to hell.

I mean it.

Thank you TRex.

Ah, yes. The Iranians will welcome us with candy and flowies.

Nope, they won’t! We wouldn’t either, folks! Dirty, lying invaders and occupiers would not stand a chance against us.

I call BS!

One, two, three, four
What the hell are we fighting for?

The Iranians, like the Iraqis, are indeed terrorists threats. To Isr**l.

To us? Not so much, until we kicked over the hornet’s nest in Iraq. Ready to do it again in Iran? They are moving fast. We must move faster.

egregious @ 40

All:

I just heard from Imm. He’s working on yet another case for the Supreme Court. He asked about various people and wants to know how we are.

Of course I begged him to jump back in as we are about to blast off into Plametary orbit.

Oh! Thanks for the update. Working on another case for the Supreme Court! Awesome! Hey imm, I luv you (in the most innocent of ways)!

angie @
39

Ledeen can go to hell.

I mean it.

Thank you TRex.

Ah, yes. The Iranians will welcome us with candy and flowies.

Nope, they won’t! We wouldn’t either, folks! Dirty, lying invaders and occupiers would not stand a chance against us.

I call BS!

One, two, three, four
What the hell are we fighting for?

You rock angie!

Valley Girl @ 36

ET- some neocon celebrated the fact that W was an “empty vessel”

And, OT, did you find Strider? (sp?)

Yeah again. When we couldn’t find him, we checked the cars and my van. No dog. The next morning, I went out driving in my van, to look for him. After a few blocks, I rolled down the window and began calling his name. No answer. Another block. “Strider!!”

A few seconds later, I felt a nudge on my right elbow. Apparently, he thought he would be in trouble for disappearing into my van for so long. He’s forgiven. Totally.

Sounds, from this, that you had something stuck in your craw, and with a neck as long as yours, that’s a serious problem. :)

A few seconds later, I felt a nudge on my right elbow.

Aw.

*sniffle*

Indeed. Angie rocks.

Ed*ard Teller @ 44

Valley Girl @ 36

ET- some neocon celebrated the fact that W was an “empty vessel”

And, OT, did you find Strider? (sp?)

Yeah again. When we couldn’t find him, we checked the cars and my van. No dog. The next morning, I went out driving in my van, to look for him. After a few blocks, I rolled down the window and began calling his name. No answer. Another block. “Strider!!”

A few seconds later, I felt a nudge on my right elbow. Apparently, he thought he would be in trouble for disappearing into my van for so long. He’s forgiven. Totally.

Oh that’s sweet. Wish Bushco. had 1% of the guilt that Strider seems to have had.

*xyz @ 38

I’m watching ‘Manufacturing Consent’, the early 90’s (1992 I believe) documentary about Noam Chomsky. Besides being a fascinating piece of journalism, it is a stunning reminder of how far progressive media and journalism have come since that time. It features several interviews with activist publishers of newsletters and ‘zines and producers of public access local broadcast shows.

Thanks for your tantalizing recommendation. Did you find it on netflicks per chance? Mr.NPB is our in-house flick finder and he loves him his netflicks and I loves me Noam Chomsky.

The documentary showed the two editors of Z Magazine as they discussed the fact that their publication reaches 5000 people nationally. Other progressive journalists were shown painstakingly putting together a newletter for the printer.

Before the advent of the internet, when corporate media acted as the gatekeeper for journalists and progressive voices, the means of coordination and communications were exponentially more limited, less accessible, slower, economically difficult and unsustainable.

The documentary features Noam speaking at length about what independent publishers, journalists a nd broadcasters were up against at the time. His prognosis for the future of progressive media of this sort was bleak due to what he described as the massive and yeomanlike efforts of individuals that were necessary to sustain such projects in the face of corporate competition and corporate/government opposition. He didn’t seem to see the internet coming…

Now think about FDL, DailyKos, YearlyKos, the Connecticut Bloggers, the wave of Californian Bloggers running for office. How the tide has turned.

If you haven’t seen the movie yet, I highly recommend it. It is a powerful reminder of exactly why the progressive blogosphere is so important and simultaneously so delicate. It reinforces my belief that net neutrality is among the most important, perhaps the most important, legislative goals that we must pursue.

Familiar with the Dadaist movement in art? the anti-art that lead into surrealism?

Ledeen is a proficient of Dadaist foreign policy.

Anti-policy and its incumbent political chaos.

Leading into the surrealism that is George Bush.

I think there’s a white paper in this somewhere.

montag @ 45

Sounds, from this, that you had something stuck in your craw, and with a neck as long as yours, that’s a serious problem. :)

*HAAAAACK*

p-tui!

What’s this, TRex and gang are satirically skewering a pompous dickhead who desperately deserves it?

Say it isn’t so!

newspaperbrat @ 49

*xyz @ 38

I’m watching ‘Manufacturing Consent’, the early 90’s (1992 I believe) documentary about Noam Chomsky. Besides being a fascinating piece of journalism, it is a stunning reminder of how far progressive media and journalism have come since that time. It features several interviews with activist publishers of newsletters and ‘zines and producers of public access local broadcast shows.

Thanks for your tantalizing recommendation. Did you find it on netflicks per chance? Mr.NPB is our in-house flick finder and he loves him his netflicks and I loves me Noam Chomsky.

The documentary showed the two editors of Z Magazine as they discussed the fact that their publication reaches 5000 people nationally. Other progressive journalists were shown painstakingly putting together a newletter for the printer.

Before the advent of the internet, when corporate media acted as the gatekeeper for journalists and progressive voices, the means of coordination and communications were exponentially more limited, less accessible, slower, economically difficult and unsustainable.

The documentary features Noam speaking at length about what independent publishers, journalists a nd broadcasters were up against at the time. His prognosis for the future of progressive media of this sort was bleak due to what he described as the massive and yeomanlike efforts of individuals that were necessary to sustain such projects in the face of corporate competition and corporate/government opposition. He didn’t seem to see the internet coming…

Now think about FDL, DailyKos, YearlyKos, the Connecticut Bloggers, the wave of Californian Bloggers running for office. How the tide has turned.

If you haven’t seen the movie yet, I highly recommend it. It is a powerful reminder of exactly why the progressive blogosphere is so important and simultaneously so delicate. It reinforces my belief that net neutrality is among the most important, perhaps the most important, legislative goals that we must pursue.

Thanks for your tantalizing tip and comments. Do you know if the documentary is available thru Netflicks? Mr. NPB loves him his Netflicks and I loves me Noam Chomsky.

NPB – I found ‘Manufacturing Consent’ at a local video store. If you google it, you can learn a lot more about this film.

Rayne @ 50

Familiar with the Dadaist movement in art? the anti-art that lead into surrealism?

I think there’s a white paper in this somewhere.

Umm, if you look at Ledeen’s prior publications, he seems to have a noticeable attraction to the Italian fascists of the `30s, who were distinguished by their singular lack of humor and inability to understand or recognize the absurd.

The Dadaists would have laughed at Ledeen, and said, in various languages, “We fart in your general direction.”

Never mistake Ledeen’s “creative destruction” for the artistic inclination in that direction. :)

Love the last graph, TRex! But did you mean “linear”?

Your teeth are now individuals, no longer constrained by the liner tyranny of mandibular dictatorship!”

Nate @ 52

What’s this, TRex and gang are satirically skewering a pompous dickhead who desperately deserves it?

Say it isn’t so!

Sadly, yes!

Rayne @ 50

Familiar with the Dadaist movement in art? the anti-art that lead into surrealism?

Ledeen is a proficient of Dadaist foreign policy.

Anti-policy and its incumbent political chaos.

Leading into the surrealism that is George Bush.

I think there’s a white paper in this somewhere.

Rayne, I think the dadaists and surrealists were responding to egregious events, not creating them. So, I would not put Ledeen into the same category.

Audrey @ 56

Love the last graph, TRex! But did you mean “linear”?

Your teeth are now individuals, no longer constrained by the liner tyranny of mandibular dictatorship!”

DAMMIT!!

I’m wired, trying to fall asleep. Having my Treo next to the bed surely doesn’t help.

If I feel like this the night before jury selection, how does Irving feel?

For the record if God forbid it should become necessary I am NOT suicidal, I am not “despondent”, I am not that unhappy or disturbed or whatever the propaganda would be. I am indeed ANGRY at what is happening to our once great nation. If anything happens to me take note: I am eager to live and engage in the battle. Fire up the O’Glakes folks, the enemy approaches.

*xyz @ 54

NPB – I found ‘Manufacturing Consent’ at a local video store. If you google it, you can learn a lot more about this film.

Merci beaucoups!

VG @ #48,

I can’t fathom the thousands of aeons and unbridgeable galaxies W’s soul will have to traverse, striving at each step to make up for his misdeeds in this life, to catch up with the level of my dog’s soul in Strider’s current, sometimes angst-driven, truthful life.

I doubt Stephen Hawking could imagine, let alone calculate how much bad karma W’s soul has accumulated in five years and 361 days, 14 hours 27 minutes…..and counting.

Pachacutec @ 60

I’m wired, trying to fall asleep. Having my Treo next to the bed surely doesn’t help.

If I feel like this the night before jury selection, how does Irving feel?

I imagine he is looking forward to the new experience of living in a structured environment, with new acquaintances and an opportunity to spend a lot of time contemplating the course of his life.

Such is prison.

montag- are we on the same wavelength or what? Except that you are a faster typist!

DAMMIT!!

I take that as a Yes. :)

But you still made me smile. Hard to do as it’s like 25 degrees in here. BRRRRRR!

VG at 58 the dadaists and surrealists were responding to egregious events

I am continously responding to egregious events. Very sympathetic.

Ed*ard Teller @ 63

VG @ #48,

I can’t fathom the thousands of aeons and unbridgeable galaxies W’s soul will have to traverse, striving at each step to make up for his misdeeds in this life, to catch up with the level of my dog’s soul in Strider’s current, sometimes angst-driven, truthful life.

I doubt Stephen Hawking could imagine, let alone calculate how much bad karma W’s soul has accumulated in five years and 361 days, 14 hours 27 minutes…..and counting.

well I knew that 1% wasn’t correct, but I was writing in haste.

Valley Girl @ 65

montag- are we on the same wavelength or what? Except that you are a faster typist!

Well, Ledeen’s an easy study. :)

Pach – Good luck and godspeed.

egregious @ 67

VG at 58 the dadaists and surrealists were responding to egregious events

I am continously responding to egregious events. Very sympathetic.

egregious- I love how imm used to work “egregious” into his comments. I just emailed him, but he’s probably in zzz land. I do miss him.

Rayne @ 50

Familiar with the Dadaist movement in art? the anti-art that lead into surrealism?

I’m familiar with the Brotherhood of Dada.

Nate @ 52

What’s this, TRex and gang are satirically skewering a pompous dickhead who desperately deserves it?

Say it isn’t so!

Nate!

I am taking you at your word that you, among others, are there to pick up the slack for me when I have to rest. I am out of the worst of my winter depression but am only slowly recovering my normal level of strength.

Off to Russia soon. Am counting on you for those days when I need to rest. I figure by the end of February I’ll be back at full strength and then look out world.

Fight stupidity: one of the actual written goals of our charity.

EvilDrPuma @
28

aliasofwestgate @ 23

…The Fairness Doctrine is only a piece of the puzzle. There’s still the FCC to deal with and it’s own depotism and cronyism….

Did you mean “despotism” or “nepotism?” Not that either one would be incorrect when speaking of the FCC.

Home Depotism.

punaise @ 74

Home Depotism.

Home Despotism. The stern daddy model of home remodeling.

Valley Girl @ 71

egregious @ 67

VG at 58 the dadaists and surrealists were responding to egregious events

I am continously responding to egregious events. Very sympathetic.

egregious- I love how imm used to work “egregious” into his comments. I just emailed him, but he’s probably in zzz land. I do miss him.

We need to spin a lovely spider web to gently lead him back here. He won’t even know he’s being surrounded :)

Office Despot.

We need to spin a lovely spider web to gently lead him back here. He won’t even know he’s being surrounded :)

Spoken like a true faerie.

montag @ 75

punaise @ 74

Home Depotism.

Home Despotism.

how Lowe’s can you go, man?

Anyone seen what Reuters is carrying about Al Gore?

Don’t believe it yet. I have a source telling me it was just a mis-interpretation of what he said.

Apparently when asked about an 08 run he said, “I’m not even contemplating it right now, I’m involved in a totally different kind of campaign”. The japanese reporter for Reuters reported that as Al “ruling it out”.

Gasbag, indeed. Makes me recall the Hindenburg.

egregious @ 73

Nate @ 52

What’s this, TRex and gang are satirically skewering a pompous dickhead who desperately deserves it?

Say it isn’t so!

Nate!

I am taking you at your word that you, among others, are there to pick up the slack for me when I have to rest. I am out of the worst of my winter depression but am only slowly recovering my normal level of strength.

Off to Russia soon. Am counting on you for those days when I need to rest. I figure by the end of February I’ll be back at full strength and then look out world.

Fight stupidity: one of the actual written goals of our charity.

When do you head out to that winter wonderland? I want to swap trade some emails with you before you head out.

And I’ll always have your back! :)

punaise @ 79

Home Despotism.

how Lowe’s can you go, man?

All the way down the seventh level of Sears….

egregious @ 76

Valley Girl @ 71

egregious @ 67

VG at 58 the dadaists and surrealists were responding to egregious events

I am continously responding to egregious events. Very sympathetic.

egregious- I love how imm used to work “egregious” into his comments. I just emailed him, but he’s probably in zzz land. I do miss him.

We need to spin a lovely spider web to gently lead him back here. He won’t even know he’s being surrounded :)

egregious- doubtful that that would work, alas. maybe we can recruit punaise? Punaise, you will know what I am alluding to vis a vis my history at FDL.

Nate @ 52

What’s this, TRex and gang are satirically skewering a pompous dickhead who desperately deserves it?

Say it isn’t so.

Well, we’ve got to pick up some crappy little neocon and throw them against the wall from time to time…

Strider!

Silly dog. Glad he is safely home.

TRex @ 90

Just try not to make too big of a mess.

We’re going to read the future in their entrails.

Well then put down some newspaper or something!

Perhaps a collection of Debbie Howell and Robert Novak op-eds or something equally absorbent and valueless.

Rayne at #50,

Dadaism was started in Switzerland in late 1915 as a rebellion against the organized hell of WWI. It was started by a Rumanian Jew, Tristan Tzara, using as its motto the Rumanian term for “Yes, Yes!” – which unites the Slavic affirmative with the Romanian. His 25 Poems, “Vingt-cinq pomes,” written later in the war, were highly affirmative.

After he turned to surrealism, over a decade later, he was a Communist, not a Fascist, and he fought in the French resistance during WWII.

Tzara is one of my heroes. I’m less fond of Dada.

Valley Girl @ 84

egregious- doubtful that that would work, alas. maybe we can recruit punaise? Punaise, you will know what I am alluding to vis a vis my history at FDL.

do we have an errant pup?

Just try not to make too big of a mess.

We’re going to read the future in their entrails.

Nate @ 82
egregious @ 73
Nate @ 52
What’s this, TRex and gang are satirically skewering a pompous dickhead who desperately deserves it?

Say it isn’t so!

Nate!

I am taking you at your word that you, among others, are there to pick up the slack for me when I have to rest. I am out of the worst of my winter depression but am only slowly recovering my normal level of strength.

Off to Russia soon. Am counting on you for those days when I need to rest. I figure by the end of February I’ll be back at full strength and then look out world.

Fight stupidity: one of the actual written goals of our charity.

When do you head out to that winter wonderland? I want to swap trade some emails with you before you head out.

And I’ll always have your back! :)

Timing of emails: hurry.

Got my back—right back atcha!

punaise @ 89

Valley Girl @ 84

egregious- doubtful that that would work, alas. maybe we can recruit punaise? Punaise, you will know what I am alluding to vis a vis my history at FDL.

do we have an errant pup?

Not so much. Probably consumed with tenure and the Supremes. I think you probably have his email addy, but if not, email me.

punaise @ 74

EvilDrPuma @
28

aliasofwestgate @ 23

…The Fairness Doctrine is only a piece of the puzzle. There’s still the FCC to deal with and it’s own depotism and cronyism….

Did you mean “despotism” or “nepotism?” Not that either one would be incorrect when speaking of the FCC.

Home Depotism.

Were the Iraqis happy to see Saddam Hussein kicked out of office? Sure they were, but that happiness only went to far. If the US got liberated from the e-e-evill clutches of Gee Dubya Bush, would Americans (The true patriots anyway) be happy? Of course they would!
My World War II comparison (I was a history major in college, so I have some notion as to what I’m talking about) is the Ukraine. The Ukrainians had an absolutely awful time under Joseph Stalin. Several million of them died under forced collectivization. Problem when the Nazis invaded was that they weren’t a whole lot better than the Soviets were. Hitler wanted to turn Moscow into a lake and to exterminate half of the Ukrainians and enslave the other half.
Many Ukrainians joined up with the invaders and fought against Soviet troops. Eventually, they realized the Nazis weren’t much better than the commies and joined their old Russian buddies to kick the Germans out.
When push comes to shove, people will side with their own kind against the outsider. Most Iranians are quite familiar with what’s been going on next door and will more likely than not resist in ways that will make Hezbollah’s defense of Southern Lebanon look like a picnic.
Remember, Iran’s president WAS elected. He may be unpopular for the moment, but that’ll be a temporary condition once US troops start coming over the border.

montaq, VG — but that’s the problem with Ledeen.

He exists completely out of time, out of sync.

Art and its corresponding anti-art are imitations or reflections of life.

Ledeen clearly passes wind in everyone’s general direction, but it is without real purpose save for destruction. He is far too late if there were regenerative purpose in his destructive efforts; what is there to destroy? But he is worse than simply out of sync because he is without purpose save for destruction for destruction’s sake.

edit: Mouse happy, sorry.

In other words, Dadaism works in art, but not in foreign policy. And Ledeen is a useless, destructive hack that should take up something more fruitful and beneficial to mankind, like pizza delivery or septic tank cleaning.

All the ladies love Nate, don’t they?

Careful, brother Nate. You might end up meeting the Love of Your Life around here.

TRex @ 90

Just try not to make too big of a mess.

We’re going to read the future in their entrails.

Snails don’t really have entrails. They leave trails. ;)

punaise @ 89

Valley Girl @ 84

egregious- doubtful that that would work, alas. maybe we can recruit punaise? Punaise, you will know what I am alluding to vis a vis my history at FDL.

do we have an errant pup?

You talking about Ed*ard Teller’s lost dog?

Rayne @ 95

montaq, VG — but that’s the problem with Ledeen.

He exists completely out of time, out of sync.

Art and its corresponding anti-art are imitations or reflections of life.

Ledeen clearly passes wind in everyone’s general direction, but it is without real purpose save for destruction. He is far too late if there were regenerative purpose in his destructive efforts; what is there to destroy? But he is worse than simply out of sync because he is without purpose save for destruction for destruction’s sake.

No disagreement on that.

Posted this at Ledeen’s blog a minute ago:

What on the rumors of your demise? Do you have any Mark Twainisms to share?

Note my note of concern for his current health….

I truly despise this evil hack, Ledeen.

So casual about the thousands of lives lost to his addiction to self-importance.

It’s interesting to see what happens when someone rises to power and prominence by ruthlessly adhering to one idea and that idea turns out to be a bad one. In this case, it’s a very bad one, but Ledeen and his Straussian buddies really are caught out without a handle to grab right now. They’re pressing on, and the Preznit may just be dim enough to be dragged along with them, but when they crank up the conscription machine, you can bet that the country will recoil most spectacularly.

I will loan you my brick if you will loan me your matches.

TRex @ 96

All the ladies love Nate, don’t they?

Careful, brother Nate. You might end up meeting the Love of Your Life around here.

I named my laptop after him.
What does it mean.

egregious @ 98

punaise @ 89

Valley Girl @ 84

egregious- doubtful that that would work, alas. maybe we can recruit punaise? Punaise, you will know what I am alluding to vis a vis my history at FDL.

do we have an errant pup?

You talking about Ed*ard Teller’s lost dog?

you funny, egregious.

Ledeen should have been “rendered”, along with all the other poisonous little keyboard Toadies of Far-right Wingnutttia for their lies and crimes against humanity.

Not being much of a man himself, he would have met this fate with a high pitched squeal, like the little piggy that went wee, wee, wee, all the way home.

Ledeen’s “rendering” would have yielded a bucket or two of a slimy, oil like substance, suitable for “basting” other NeoConvicts with before their ‘grilling’ by Congressional Committees in a Prelude to the upcoming Impeachment of their “Commander in Codpiece”

The left over viscous fluid from Mikey’s “rendering” could be used for the ‘Tar and Feathering’ portion of the festivities on Capitol Hill.

And luckily there is no shortage of ReThuglican ChickenHawks to provide feathers for this ritual.

As to who supplies the Rail used to run the NeoCons out of town on, well…

I know where to get a suitable Third Rail to tie them to.

Kinda like fried green tomatooes…..

Nate @ 87

TRex @ 90

Just try not to make too big of a mess.

We’re going to read the future in their entrails.

Well then put down some newspaper or something!

Perhaps a collection of Debbie Howell and Robert Novak op-eds or something equally absorbent and valueless.

Somehow this time warped up several comments. Oh well.

VG — refresh, I was mouse happy and clicked before I finished my comment. Ultimately we agree.

It’s a real slap to the writers of The A-Team to compare one of their plotlines with Ledeen’s Iran-a-Plan. Don’t expect the Writer’s Union to be silent on this matter…they’ll be issuing a nasty press release all up on FDL’s ass by morning.

Timing of emails: hurry.

Got my back—right back atcha!

I’ll write you one tonight. I have to head down to the office anyways. I’m so behind on things, I’ve got to get a few hours work done tonight. If you’re in bed before then, it will be waiting for you in morning.

Pachacutec @ 60

I’m wired, trying to fall asleep. Having my Treo next to the bed surely doesn’t help.

If I feel like this the night before jury selection, how does Irving feel?

i am so jealous. of you, not scooter.

patrick rex @ 101

It’s interesting to see what happens when someone rises to power and prominence by ruthlessly adhering to one idea and that idea turns out to be a bad one.

Hmmm…. sorta reminds me of what has caught up with KSFO snuff radio.

Gentleman Jim, you are going too far for my comfort. People of Ledeen’s ethnic group WERE rendered into soap and other items not so long ago.

Whatever issues we have with him, and they are serious, we cannot wish that he will be melted into fat. It’s too close to WWII when that was a reality.

Let’s think of something else ‘k?

Nate @ 108

Timing of emails: hurry.

Got my back—right back atcha!

I’ll write you one tonight. I have to head down to the office anyways. I’m so behind on things, I’ve got to get a few hours work done tonight. If you’re in bed before then, it will be waiting for you in morning.

I will sleep happily then. Catch ya on the flip.

*xyz @ 54

NPB – I found ‘Manufacturing Consent’ at a local video store. If you google it, you can learn a lot more about this film.

newspaperbrat – I just sent you an e-mail. If you can’t rent Manufacturing Consent I would be happy to send it to you.

Rayne @
106

VG — refresh, I was mouse happy and clicked before I finished my comment. Ultimately we agree.

Tried w/o success, but I trust you. For some reason, since I uploaded the latest version of FF, the search function does not work.

TRex @ 96

All the ladies love Nate, don’t they?

Careful, brother Nate. You might end up meeting the Love of Your Life around here.

You say that like it’s a thing to fear. I’ve been waiting for years for some DFH chick to snatch me up and get me on her ultra-liberal (politically and sexually), environmentally-friendly, organically-grown, aromatherapeutically-scented, cosmic game plan.

I’ve been a bachelor for going on ten years dude. I’m a fucken wreck! A fixer-upper at best.

egregious @ 111

Gentleman Jim, you are going too far for my comfort. People of Ledeen’s ethnic group WERE rendered into soap and other items not so long ago.

Whatever issues we have with him, and they are serious, we cannot wish that he will be melted into fat. It’s too close to WWII when that was a reality.

Let’s think of something else ‘k?

Umm, Ledeen’s fondness for the oppressors sort of compromises his moral stance, don’t you think?

And, no, I’m not in favor of rendering him. I have a much worse fate planned for him. Media obscurity.

I’ll never carry my cell phone in pants pocket again:

Cell phone burns in Vallejo man’s pocket
He’s severely injured after chair, clothing melt

(01-15) 21:08 PST — A cell phone in the front pocket of a Vallejo man’s pants spontaneously combusted, quickly ignited his clothes and left the man with second- and third-degree burns across at least half his body, according to investigators.

Luis Picaso, 59, was apparently sleeping on a white, all-plastic lawn chair in his room late Saturday night and was awakened as he was ablaze, said Vallejo Fire Department Investigator and spokesman Bill Tweedy.
…

dorithewitch @ 43

angie @
39

Ledeen can go to hell.

I mean it.

Thank you TRex.

Ah, yes. The Iranians will welcome us with candy and flowies.

Nope, they won’t! We wouldn’t either, folks! Dirty, lying invaders and occupiers would not stand a chance against us.

I call BS!

One, two, three, four
What the hell are we fighting for?

You rock angie!

blushing furiously; bring on the Neocons and the PNACians.

kerpow!

Valley Girl @ 110

patrick rex @ 101

It’s interesting to see what happens when someone rises to power and prominence by ruthlessly adhering to one idea and that idea turns out to be a bad one.

Hmmm…. sorta reminds me of what has caught up with KSFO snuff radio.

It’s a good old-fashioned comeuppance, and it’s long overdue.

VG, Music Hates You is playing in Atlanta tomorrow night at the 10 high. Come knock some dust off your broom if you like loud, feckless music.

punaise @ 117

I’ll never carry my cell phone in pants pocket again:

Cell phone burns in Vallejo man’s pocket
He’s severely injured after chair, clothing melt

(01-15) 21:08 PST — A cell phone in the front pocket of a Vallejo man’s pants spontaneously combusted, quickly ignited his clothes and left the man with second- and third-degree burns across at least half his body, according to investigators.

Luis Picaso, 59, was apparently sleeping on a white, all-plastic lawn chair in his room late Saturday night and was awakened as he was ablaze, said Vallejo Fire Department Investigator and spokesman Bill Tweedy.
…

Jeez, Punaise, how do you find these news items? Kinda half remember one of similar nature a while back- plane crash in cesspool?

F*ck Ledeen and the HoJo he rode in on.

too bad we stopped talking about dada before punaise showed up.

Ledeen is the abyss, having stared into it too often.

He is the abject lesson of becoming what one hates.

Ugh, what it must be like to be oblivious to the fact that one is a stain on humanity, a blot on their kind. Bliss I cannot believe, rather some sort of moral sleepwalking.

I have to go find something pleasant to wash my mind with before I go to bed. The idea of Ledeen being the last thing I think about is repugnant.

patrick rex @ 119

Valley Girl @ 110

patrick rex @ 101

It’s interesting to see what happens when someone rises to power and prominence by ruthlessly adhering to one idea and that idea turns out to be a bad one.

Hmmm…. sorta reminds me of what has caught up with KSFO snuff radio.

It’s a good old-fashioned comeuppance, and it’s long overdue.

VG, Music Hates You is playing in Atlanta tomorrow night at the 10 high. Come knock some dust off your broom if you like loud, feckless music.

gotta give me more info than that! I have no idea where or what the 10 high is.

punaise @ 121

F*ck Ledeen and the HoJo he rode in on.

Now there’s a peep show I’ll happily skip. That’s Hardcore.

Valley Girl @ 120

Jeez, Punaise, how do you find these news items? Kinda half remember one of similar nature a while back- plane crash in cesspool?

les faits divers, courtesy of our local rag the San Francisco Chronicle (www.sfgate.com).

good recall: a small airplane crashed into a sewage treatment tank…the untreated effluent claimed three lives. no shit.

(ygm)

And, no, I’m not in favor of rendering him. I have a much worse fate planned for him. Media obscurity.

Montag! Can I help? Can I? Can I please! Consider it an apprenticeship if you like. *evil grin*

Ed*ard Teller @ 122

too bad we stopped talking about dada before punaise showed up.

I’m in therapy. I’m gonna spend the rest of my life talking about dada.

Ed*ard Teller @
122

too bad we stopped talking about dada before punaise showed up.

here’s what I think of Ledeen’s foreign policy ideas

aliasofwestgate @ 127

Montag! Can I help? Can I? Can I please! Consider it an apprenticeship if you like. *evil grin*

Okay, your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to defund the American Enterprise Institute. :)

rather:

http://images.google.com/imgre…..=&sa=G

AH, the 10 High-

Here is their website…

and here is their address:
816 N. Highland Ave. • Atlanta, GA 30306

We’ll be playing downstairs with a band called (and I am not kidding) Whisky Shit Vomit.

I am sure they’re real nice kids.

It will most likely be hell with the lid off. All are invited to come and have a real bad time…

Ok folks that’s it for me for tonight.

One errant pup off to sleep, perchance to dream about rabbits. As a former rabbit owner I am on their side :)

good night egregious – have a safe trip

montag @ 130

aliasofwestgate @ 127

Montag! Can I help? Can I? Can I please! Consider it an apprenticeship if you like. *evil grin*

Okay, your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to defund the American Enterprise Institute. :)

*raises an eyebrow* Now THAT’s a mission. And that’s what you consider an apprentice task? Sign me up. XD (is a glutton for punishment, go figure)

patrick rex @ 132

We’ll be playing downstairs with a band called (and I am not kidding) Whisky Shit Vomit.

I am sure they’re real nice kids.

It will most likely be hell with the lid off. All are invited to come and have a real bad time…

that’s one mosh pit to avoid.

patrick rex @ 132

AH, the 10 High-

Here is their website…

and here is their address:
816 N. Highland Ave. • Atlanta, GA 30306

We’ll be playing downstairs with a band called (and I am not kidding) Whisky Shit Vomit.

I am sure they’re real nice kids.

It will most likely be hell with the lid off. All are invited to come and have a real bad time…

Jaysus, that’s funny, in a perverse kind of way…. :)

aliasofwestgate @ 135

*raises an eyebrow* Now THAT’s a mission. And that’s what you consider an apprentice task? Sign me up. XD (is a glutton for punishment, go figure)

Oh, it is, it is, compared to dismantling the Heritage Foundation. That might involve the financial investigation of Richard Mellon Scaife. :)

nite, eg.

egregious @ 73
“I am out of the worst of my winter depression “

Glad to hear that. You sounded awfully down the other day.

“Off to Russia soon”

There may be more sunlight there (unless you’re going to Piter)–heard a radio piece this am on how it’s practically springlike, can’t skate ’cause it’s too warm for the rinks to freeze, nothing to do but walk in the park.

How do you pick up and travel across a couple dozen time zones with your SAD, etc.? I had to take a bus and transfer and walk a couple blocks yesterday, and I was exhausted. And I’m not even depressed.
I really admire you for this. Would love to talk to you more about it some time. Vsevo xhoroshevo! (can’t type in cyrillic, sadly)

With the various tax numbers mentioned above the little people (in revolt) could really take away a lot of bad apples funding.

Fire pup Crazy Horse has been mentioning tax revolt for a long time…but his stable is in Germany, iirc.

montag @ 137

patrick rex @ 132

AH, the 10 High-

Here is their website…

and here is their address:
816 N. Highland Ave. • Atlanta, GA 30306

We’ll be playing downstairs with a band called (and I am not kidding) Whisky Shit Vomit.

I am sure they’re real nice kids.

It will most likely be hell with the lid off. All are invited to come and have a real bad time…

Jaysus, that’s funny, in a perverse kind of way…. :)

Some time ago, I did some thinking and some blogging about why people make music that is difficult and why people come to see it. I have always been in punk bands or metal bands or confrontational arty bands.

I kind of laid it out on the table and looked at it and reached some tentative conclusions. I submit my little essay for your consideration.

tejanarusa @
140

egregious @ 73
“I am out of the worst of my winter depression “

Glad to hear that. You sounded awfully down the other day.

“Off to Russia soon”

There may be more sunlight there (unless you’re going to Piter)–heard a radio piece this am on how it’s practically springlike, can’t skate ’cause it’s too warm for the rinks to freeze, nothing to do but walk in the park.

How do you pick up and travel across a couple dozen time zones with your SAD, etc.? I had to take a bus and transfer and walk a couple blocks yesterday, and I was exhausted. And I’m not even depressed.
I really admire you for this. Would love to talk to you more about it some time. Vsevo xhoroshevo! (can’t type in cyrillic, sadly)

montag @ 138

aliasofwestgate @ 135

*raises an eyebrow* Now THAT’s a mission. And that’s what you consider an apprentice task? Sign me up. XD (is a glutton for punishment, go figure)

Oh, it is, it is, compared to dismantling the Heritage Foundation. That might involve the financial investigation of Richard Mellon Scaife. :)

It’s enough to keep us both busy for quite some time. But man, would the long term results be worth it.

Suzanne @ 139

nite, eg.

you’re early tonight!

patrick rex @ 132

AH, the 10 High-

Here is their website…

and here is their address:
816 N. Highland Ave. • Atlanta, GA 30306

We’ll be playing downstairs with a band called (and I am not kidding) Whisky Shit Vomit.

I am sure they’re real nice kids.

It will most likely be hell with the lid off. All are invited to come and have a real bad time…

well, I am pretty close to the 10 high, in miles if not in attitude. What hours will you be there? Should I wear my Ned Lamont tee shirt?

punaise @ 145

Suzanne @ 139

nite, eg.

you’re early tonight!

was speeding reading during 24’s commercial breaks.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 141

With the various tax numbers mentioned above the little people (in revolt) could really take away a lot of bad apples funding.

I have my doubts about that, if only because I remember what happened to war resisters who withheld war taxes during the `60s and `70s. Most of `em got creamed because of lack of universal support.

We need a wholesale change in the national legislature, and I don’t think that will come about until there’s a real crash. When the people who think they’re safe are rummaging in dumpsters for dinner, that’s when it changes, sad to say.

Castro reported to be in grave condition.

punaise @ 126

Valley Girl @ 120

Jeez, Punaise, how do you find these news items? Kinda half remember one of similar nature a while back- plane crash in cesspool?

les faits divers, courtesy of our local rag the San Francisco Chronicle (www.sfgate.com).

good recall: a small airplane crashed into a sewage treatment tank…the untreated effluent claimed three lives. no shit.

(ygm)

Oh! California, especially NoCal is such an *interesting* place! But, that is, after all, my heritage. Just responded to your email, btw. But may drop out of sight soon too. REally late here. xoo

Suzanne @ 149

Castro reported to be in grave condition.

I’m betting punaise can’t leave that one alone!

Suzanne @
149

Castro reported to be in grave condition.

….by Ledeen

johnSwifty @ 151

Suzanne @ 149

Castro reported to be in grave condition.

I’m betting punaise can’t leave that one alone!

the odds were in your favor

Valley Girl @ 146

patrick rex @ 132

AH, the 10 High-

Here is their website…

and here is their address:
816 N. Highland Ave. • Atlanta, GA 30306

We’ll be playing downstairs with a band called (and I am not kidding) Whisky Shit Vomit.

I am sure they’re real nice kids.

It will most likely be hell with the lid off. All are invited to come and have a real bad time…

well, I am pretty close to the 10 high, in miles if not in attitude. What hours will you be there? Should I wear my Ned Lamont tee shirt?

sure.

BRING HEARING PROTECTION. I cannot stress this enough.

I will be getting there late, as i am flying in from DC, but I will keep an eye peeled for you.

The 10 High is kind of an interesting venue. I secretly kind of prefer the Star Bar over in L5P, if only because I have been playing there for ten years with various bands and also because a night there is just so… i dunno… it’s like the Mos Eisley Cantina in there. You can see the sort of true essence of the Star Bar if you watch the Mastodon Video ‘Blood and Thunder,’ since it was filmed in the Star Bar.

patrick rex @ 142

I kind of laid it out on the table and looked at it and reached some tentative conclusions. I submit my little essay for your consideration.

Umm, re: Ayler. Bush has a vision, too, articulated 100% of the time. Doesn’t mean he’s either entertaining, helpful, or sane. :)

punaise @ 153

johnSwifty @ 151

Suzanne @ 149

Castro reported to be in grave condition.

I’m betting punaise can’t leave that one alone!

the odds were in your favor

It was a classic Shakespearean pun. Even I felt the siren call.

patrick rex @ 154

Valley Girl @ 146

patrick rex @ 132

AH, the 10 High-

Here is their website…

and here is their address:
816 N. Highland Ave. • Atlanta, GA 30306

We’ll be playing downstairs with a band called (and I am not kidding) Whisky Shit Vomit.

I am sure they’re real nice kids.

It will most likely be hell with the lid off. All are invited to come and have a real bad time…

well, I am pretty close to the 10 high, in miles if not in attitude. What hours will you be there? Should I wear my Ned Lamont tee shirt?

sure.

BRING HEARING PROTECTION. I cannot stress this enough.

I will be getting there late, as i am flying in from DC, but I will keep an eye peeled for you.

The 10 High is kind of an interesting venue. I secretly kind of prefer the Star Bar over in L5P, if only because I have been playing there for ten years with various bands and also because a night there is just so… i dunno… it’s like the Mos Eisley Cantina in there. You can see the sort of true essence of the Star Bar if you watch the Mastodon Video ‘Blood and Thunder,’ since it was filmed in the Star Bar.

“late” is kinda a relative term. If you will be getting there “late”, what actual time would that be? More or less? Just kidding about the Lamont Tee.

Suzanne @ 149

Castro reported to be in grave condition.

Thats what they said about James Brown.

I’ve never been very materialistic. Being a street musician means enjoying the simple pleasures of life in the big city. Happiness for me most times could simply mean a new set of guitar strings. When my son, ConSec got me broadband for Christmas two years ago, it was a downright sinful indulgence.

But when I saw this, I instantly longed for my CD to go platinum.

For T-Rex it was that new Apple gizmo. This broke my Commie heart.

patrick rex @
142

Some time ago, I did some thinking and some blogging about why people make music that is difficult and why people come to see it. I have always been in punk bands or metal bands or confrontational arty bands.

I kind of laid it out on the table and looked at it and reached some tentative conclusions. I submit my little essay for your consideration.

nice piece. food for thought. I’m not a big fan of music as confrontation, but I can respect it as an artistic undertaking.

(I suppose Green Day started out that way, before they found their pop groove early on.)

Valley Girl @ 157

“late” is kinda a relative term. If you will be getting there “late”, what actual time would that be? More or less?

I guess I should clarify! Durrr…

I mean, late in the process. I will be arriving at the Star Bar some time after nine thirty, which may be just minutes before we or another band play. I am not sure of the order of bands or times, but usually they like for bands to be there around seven to load in and set up. I will be around and hanging out around half nine or ten.

Like I said, I will keep an eye peeled.

don’t blame me – that really is the headline on the yahoo article

zig alert

Ed*ard Teller @
44

Valley Girl @ 36

ET- some neocon celebrated the fact that W was an “empty vessel”

And, OT, did you find Strider? (sp?)

Yeah again. When we couldn’t find him, we checked the cars and my van. No dog. The next morning, I went out driving in my van, to look for him. After a few blocks, I rolled down the window and began calling his name. No answer. Another block. “Strider!!”

A few seconds later, I felt a nudge on my right elbow. Apparently, he thought he would be in trouble for disappearing into my van for so long. He’s forgiven. Totally.

Oooh, ET, give your damned dog a big hug for me. HF

Been fun tonight guys. Time for me to go crashy. I have two classes and closing shift at work tommorrow.

‘night everyone!

punaise @ 163

zig alert

oops.

I feex.

Castro reported to be in grave condition.
—

I’m betting punaise can’t leave that one alone!

—

the odds were in your favor

—

It was a classic Shakespearean pun. Even I felt the siren call.

I can dig it.

Castro reportedly in grave condition

2 hours, 6 minutes ago

MADRID, Spain – Ailing Cuban

Patrick Rex- so you will be at Star Bar and not 10 high? I thought you were at 10 high. Is this a mapping issue? ;)

punaise @
117

I’ll never carry my cell phone in pants pocket again:

Cell phone burns in Vallejo man’s pocket
He’s severely injured after chair, clothing melt

(01-15) 21:08 PST — A cell phone in the front pocket of a Vallejo man’s pants spontaneously combusted, quickly ignited his clothes and left the man with second- and third-degree burns across at least half his body, according to investigators.

Luis Picaso, 59, was apparently sleeping on a white, all-plastic lawn chair in his room late Saturday night and was awakened as he was ablaze, said Vallejo Fire Department Investigator and spokesman Bill Tweedy.
…

just stay away from the polyester pants, man…

punaise @ 160

patrick rex @
142

Some time ago, I did some thinking and some blogging about why people make music that is difficult and why people come to see it. I have always been in punk bands or metal bands or confrontational arty bands.

I kind of laid it out on the table and looked at it and reached some tentative conclusions. I submit my little essay for your consideration.

nice piece. food for thought. I’m not a big fan of music as confrontation, but I can respect it as an artistic undertaking.

(I suppose Green Day started out that way, before they found their pop groove early on.)

Don’t get me wrong, I love me some entertainment. I have more Loretta Lynn records than I do Residents albums, but as a drummer, my particular brand of bash and rumble always seems to be in demand by the angriest guy with a guitar in town.

And I meet demand with supply.

Sometimes I think i would like nothing better than to join up with a nice pop band and tour the world doing my best Ringo imitation.

But it never seems to work out that way.

punaise @ 160

patrick rex @
142

Some time ago, I did some thinking and some blogging about why people make music that is difficult and why people come to see it. I have always been in punk bands or metal bands or confrontational arty bands.

I kind of laid it out on the table and looked at it and reached some tentative conclusions. I submit my little essay for your consideration.

nice piece. food for thought. I’m not a big fan of music as confrontation, but I can respect it as an artistic undertaking.

(I suppose Green Day started out that way, before they found their pop groove early on.)

In Minnesota, it’s just a way to keep warm. Mosh pits are nothing other than a friendly collection of humans helping to bio-engineer an atmosphere for themselves. Husker Du really was a quiet little pop band and the Replacements, well they originally had a guy on concertina until they started responding to the general enthusiasm of the chilled audience.

It’s going to be -9 in Mpls. tonight. Winter finally showed up–then it made me sick, either that or I caught it from Donita on Friday.

papers have had their obits ramped up for castro for at least a couple weeks. the times obit runs for three pages.

Valley Girl @ 169

Patrick Rex- so you will be at Star Bar and not 10 high? I thought you were at 10 high. Is this a mapping issue? ;)

Tomorrow night is at 10 High. I was just expressing my deep love for the deeeeeeply weird Star Bar. It’s my home in Atlanta.

Hey PRex- and just don’t wear polyester pants. So funny, OldCoastie!

punaise @ 167

I can dig it.

Classic! It was almost over my head.

hpschd,

{{{ET gives Strider hug. Dog wakes up, looks up. I tell him “That’s from hhhppssccdddd..”}}}}

he may have been afraid I was choking as I tried to say your name.

egregious @ 133

Ok folks that’s it for me for tonight.

One errant pup off to sleep, perchance to dream about rabbits. As a former rabbit owner I am on their side :)

The bunnies that are currently underfoot at our house would be happy to visit your dreams.

johnSwifty @
176

punaise @ 167

I can dig it.

Classic! It was almost over my head.

Excuse me, I’m having a coughin’ attack.
(cough)

johnSwifty @ 172

In Minnesota, it’s just a way to keep warm. Mosh pits are nothing other than a friendly collection of humans helping to bio-engineer an atmosphere for themselves. Husker Du really was a quiet little pop band and the Replacements, well they originally had a guy on concertina until they started responding to the general enthusiasm of the chilled audience.

It’s going to be -9 in Mpls. tonight. Winter finally showed up–then it made me sick, either that or I caught it from Donita on Friday.

re: Minneapolis- My old band used to play at the Uptown all the time. A writer named Hap Mansfield used to shower us with accolades. (If you know that name, then you’re less “in the scene” than the scene is in you.)

I remember loading out of the Uptown in February, and it was Minnesota winter, and I thought I had died and gone to hell. Oh, my god, my 22 yr old southern self was NOT ready for that kind of cold. I just didn’t have the clothes, or for that matter, the VISION that it could be so cold.

I love those Minn bands, though… Hsker D and the Replacements, and Tar(? were they a twin cities band? I met them at the 7th Street Entry…).

newspaperbrat @ 93

punaise @ 74

EvilDrPuma @
28

aliasofwestgate @ 23

…The Fairness Doctrine is only a piece of the puzzle. There’s still the FCC to deal with and it’s own depotism and cronyism….

Did you mean “despotism” or “nepotism?” Not that either one would be incorrect when speaking of the FCC.

Home Depotism.

Blush – you rascals simply fracture me – was laughing so hard it appears I hit submit while reaching for a tissue to dry my eyes.

Mommybrain @ 179

Excuse me, I’m having a coughin’ attack.
(cough)

Hey Mommybrain,

My bad, I really don’t have the natural talent for it that punaise brings. Here, have a nice clear drink of the original from the master:

Romeo and Juliet, III, i

ROMEO: Courage, man; the hurt cannot be much.

MERCUTIO: No, ’tis not so deep as a well, nor so wide as a church-door; but ’tis enough, ’twill serve: ask for me to-morrow, and you shall find me a grave man.

Suzanne @ 149

Castro reported to be in grave condition.

Oh, no. May the good people of Cuba rest easy tonight. (I am not talking about Martinez and Ros-Lehtinen who are prolly dancing and sucking down cigars and rum tonite while wallowing in their incumbency protection, anti immigrant policy tonight! lalala– forget about all those other brown skinned people! Castro is sick!)

More emboldening of the anti- Constitutional Americans and the ignitors of democracies-over-there-at-the-end-of a-cluster-bomb or bomblett!!!

I think we ought to just pay respect to the dead and dying everywhere like our prophets and those that have gone before us have taught us.

It is up to humankind to hold those that would hurt us and our brothers and sisters among us accountable for the pain and suffering of others and our own.

Can somebody please explain to me why this country of mine is so lame and lawless that it WILL NOT engage with the tiny island of Cuba yet still holds territory in which WE torture without oversight???

WTF?

OldCoastie @
170

just stay away from the polyester pants, man…

my wardrobe is safe, for now…

(bouncing back and forth between here and the Golden Glubs)

patrick rex @ 180

johnSwifty @ 172
re: Minneapolis- My old band used to play at the Uptown all the time. A writer named Hap Mansfield used to shower us with accolades. (If you know that name, then you’re less “in the scene” than the scene is in you.)

I remember loading out of the Uptown in February, and it was Minnesota winter, and I thought I had died and gone to hell. Oh, my god, my 22 yr old southern self was NOT ready for that kind of cold. I just didn’t have the clothes, or for that matter, the VISION that it could be so cold.

I love those Minn bands, though… H�sker D� and the Replacements, and Tar(? were they a twin cities band? I met them at the 7th Street Entry…).

Bob Mould and Husker Du invented grunge in the 7th Street Entry of First Avenue; we were just better dressed than the Seattle crowd.

I was just at the Uptown a few weeks ago to see a buddy who was reliving his band days on stage with a group of similar ex-rockers. It’s a whole new deal since the smoking ban went in, you might not recognize it. Used to be you could spend the night there and smoke an entire pack of Camels without ever having a butt touch your lips (h/t pun)

But, we sure did love the Southern flavor coming north. Uptown was a great little scene. It’s cool you were there. What was your band?

patrick rex @
171

Sometimes I think i would like nothing better than to join up with a nice pop band and tour the world doing my best Ringo imitation.

But it never seems to work out that way.

as a one-time kinda-sorta tub thumper, I would never wish that ham-fisted fate upon you.

johnSwifty @ 186

Bob Mould and Husker Du invented grunge in the 7th Street Entry of First Avenue; we were just better dressed than the Seattle crowd.

I was just at the Uptown a few weeks ago to see a buddy who was reliving his band days on stage with a group of similar ex-rockers. It’s a whole new deal since the smoking band went in, you might not recognize it. Used to be you could spend the night there and smoke an entire pack of Camels without ever having a butt touch your lips (h/t pun)

But, we sure did love the Southern flavor coming north. Uptown was a great little scene. It’s cool you were there. What was your band?

I was in a powerpop band called Five-Eight for years and years. They’re still going, just with a different guy behind the kit. I was also good friends (and roommates with) Jack Logan, who was signed to Medium Cool, which I think is based out of there. I played with Vic Chestnutt, but never toured with him. We were in a proto-grunge outfit called Angle Lake, before he went fell on folk.

The Uptown- what a scene. I saw Bob Stinson come in one night and cadge five bucks off the woman who was tending bar. Someone told me it was his mother. I don’t know if that was true or not. I saw a guy spin out across the ice in the back parking lot in a van and hit six parked cars, missing OUR van by just inches…

Man, they made fantastic fries there, though. LOL…

Just saw that I may have been the cause of the zig alert. Does that mean I left a tag open or some such?

punaise @ 187

patrick rex @
171

Sometimes I think i would like nothing better than to join up with a nice pop band and tour the world doing my best Ringo imitation.

But it never seems to work out that way.

as a one-time kinda-sorta tub thumper, I would never wish that ham-fisted fate upon you.

Oh, Punaise… don’t get me started…

You have to respect Ringo. he was a genius.

Yes, he played simply, but oh, he played so well.

More on my love for Ringo here.

In short,

As a session drummer, I find that (outside of the studio) hardly anyone appreciates the amazing drumming of Ringo. Inside the studio, I have discovered that when I do my level best to play with as much subtlety, simplicity, swing and style as Mr. Starr, they say “How should I make out this check? Can you be here tomorrow?”

1. Don’t fear the Ringo.

2. Respect the tambourine.

Words to live by.

Hi everyone… just popping in to say Hi… going to bed… been stuffing envelopes for the State Party elections on Saturday…. Trying to get our candidate elected…

Still no heat but having a tropical heatwave with temp around 40. Space heaters are your friend!

patrick rex @ 190

punaise @ 187

as a one-time kinda-sorta tub thumper, I would never wish that ham-fisted fate upon you.

Oh, Punaise… don’t get me started…

You have to respect Ringo. he was a genius.

sorry, didn’t mean to start a food fight. Ringo was perfect for the Beatles, but I dare say that was in spite of his talents. anyway, I’ll go read your piece.

patrick rex @ 188

Man, they made fantastic fries there, though. LOL…

You probably hit the road in the dead of night and never got to see the real charm of the place. It was only visible in the blood-shot, bleary hours of Sunday morning when they did a fabulous brunch (I’m not kidding). It might have been an attempt by the management to give some of the more talented junkies the only good meal they’d have all week–before shuffling off into the cold, returning to individual dens of iniquity to cook up smack and more smoking hot guitar sounds for the next weekend. Not the most glam life, but they did live it hard.

Sunday morning brunch at the Uptown was probably the strangest thing a cold, grey Mpls music scene had to offer the visiting tourist; but most of the real talent was already crashed in Madison for the Sunday night college crowd in mad-town.

Completely off topic, except that it involves wingnuttery…

I was outraged tonight to hear about the latest threat to freedom to emerge from the putrid bowels of the Bush administration: the assistant deputy secretary of detainee affairs (Stimson?) who attacked some of the country’s top law firms for defending Guantanamo detainees, and suggested that corporate clients of those firms discontinue their services (an apparent effort to intimidate lawyers into not taking on Guantanamo cases, presumably with the goal of ultimately depriving the detainees of legal counsel). Law professor Jonathan Turley on Countdown tonight was also visibly outraged about this.

I have been reading John W. Dean’s Conservatives Without Conscience, and just ran across this passage, written of course before the Stimson story developed:

“Authoritarianism is everywhere in the federal government, not because Bush and Cheney do not realize what they are doing, but because they are authoritarians, and they are doing what authoritarians do. In the process they have weakened the fabric of democracy, discredited the American government as never before in the eyes of the world, caused people to wonder if terrorists have a legitimate complaint, and taken the United States far from the moral high ground in refusing to abide by basic international law.”

I could not agree more.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

punaise @ 192

sorry, didn’t mean to start a food fight. Ringo was perfect for the Beatles, but I dare say that was in spite of his talents. anyway, I’ll go read your piece.

He might have been perfect, but was he Best?

comment from P Rex’s link says it all:

hope Says:
December 5th, 2005 at 3:05 pm

There are people who DON’T adore the Beatles?

they’ll still be listening to the Beatles in 2507…

johnSwifty @ 195

punaise @ 192

sorry, didn’t mean to start a food fight. Ringo was perfect for the Beatles, but I dare say that was in spite of his talents. anyway, I’ll go read your piece.

He might have been perfect, but was he Best?

oh, for Pete’s sake, there you go again :~)

punaise @ 192

patrick rex @ 190

punaise @ 187

as a one-time kinda-sorta tub thumper, I would never wish that ham-fisted fate upon you.

Oh, Punaise… don’t get me started…

You have to respect Ringo. he was a genius.

sorry, didn’t mean to start a food fight. Ringo was perfect for the Beatles, but I dare say that was in spite of his talents. anyway, I’ll go read your piece.

caveat: Mostly it’s me quoting Steve Audio and saying “Yeah, what he said!” because Steve is… well, smarter than me.

re: “didn’t mean to start a food fight.”

Don’t worry too much about me leaping to Ringo’s defense… that crash you heard was me tripping over the mop bucket… I just think his playing is marvelous- subtle, bouncy, musical. There’s precious little of that in drumming and it’s always been that way. Hell, think of the bands who I play with- I get to be an artillery captain most nights, but I really do love a good pop song played well.

johnSwifty @ 195

punaise @ 192

sorry, didn’t mean to start a food fight. Ringo was perfect for the Beatles, but I dare say that was in spite of his talents. anyway, I’ll go read your piece.

He might have been perfect, but was he Best?

Oh, for Pete’s sake!!!

punaise @ 197

oh, for Pete’s sake, there you go again :~)

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again.

Sorry, punaise. Should have known better than to try to outdraw you.

cold fried chicken in the fridge.

brb!

g’nite everyone.

here’s a thought from the other part of the world…

On the Manners of Kings

… They relate that once, during a hunting exhibition, they were preparing for Nushirwan the Just some game, as roast meat. There was no salt; and they dispatched a slave to a village to bring some. Nushirwan said, “Pay for the salt you take, in order that it may not become a custom, and the village be ruined.” They said, “What harm will this little quantity do?” He replied, “The origin of injustice in the world was at first small, and everyone that came added to it, until it reached this magnitude.”

from Saaid and the

“Extracts from

the Golestan

(The Rose Garden)

By

Mosleh al-Din Saadi Shirazi”

patrick rex – it’s all good. we won’t be listening to Billy Cobham’s or Phil Collins’ drumming in the distant future….

off to paradiddle land
buenos nachos, con salsa

neurophius @ 201

Sorry, punaise. Should have known better than to try to outdraw you.

great minds, neuro…

neurophius @ 199

Oh, for Pete’s sake!!!

hey neurophius, punaise was quicker on the retort but you where probably still thinking about actual issues in the real world.

Any reason to bring up Mr. Dean’s chronicle of the authoritarian regime we live with is probably worthy in any thread.

Is there any political figure alive who has managed to redeem himself with more cogent and studied application of his god given talents? I mean, after Watergate, he could have easily slunk off into the night.

punaise @ 192

sorry, didn’t mean to start a food fight. Ringo was perfect for the Beatles, but I dare say that was in spite of his talents. anyway, I’ll go read your piece.

Comparisons are inevitably unfair in some way or another, but, it’s fair to ask, was Ringo ever able to come up to the energy level and precision of, say, someone like Michael Shrieve?

Like you say, Pun, Ringo was able to meet the Beatles’ demands. That made him great for them….

montag @ 207

Like you say, Pun, Ringo was able to meet the Beatles’ demands. That made him great for them….

And he was ugly enough not to steal all the birds from John and Paul.

angie @ 203

g’nite everyone.

…. “The origin of injustice in the world was at first small, and everyone that came added to it, until it reached this magnitude.”

On that note, I’m out.

‘nite angie. Night all.

Peace! Out, here.

johnSwifty @ 206

neurophius @ 199

Oh, for Pete’s sake!!!

hey neurophius, punaise was quicker on the retort but you where probably still thinking about actual issues in the real world.

Any reason to bring up Mr. Dean’s chronicle of the authoritarian regime we live with is probably worthy in any thread.

Is there any political figure alive who has managed to redeem himself with more cogent and studied application of his god given talents? I mean, after Watergate, he could have easily slunk off into the night.

It may sound odd, but he was one of my heroes during the Watergate investigations. Not for his service to Nixon, of course, but for coming clean and helping to bring him down.

I always enjoy hearing what he has to say on Olbermann, and got a kick out of trading comments with him here during Book Salon (I’m still trying to finish the book).

johnSwifty @ 208

montag @ 207

Like you say, Pun, Ringo was able to meet the Beatles’ demands. That made him great for them….

And he was ugly enough not to steal all the birds from John and Paul.

That sounds like a recycled reverse Boston Celtics joke… with the original characters being Danny Ainge fronting for Larry Bird and Kevin McHale. :)

ok– Here’s the truth.

George Harrison rules!

nuero, i agree with you about dean. he came clean and has truly repented. his actions since watergate speak louder than his actions before watergate.

johnSwifty @ 209

angie @ 203

g’nite everyone.

…. “The origin of injustice in the world was at first small, and everyone that came added to it, until it reached this magnitude.”

On that note, I’m out.

‘nite angie. Night all.

Peace! Out, here.

peace out, here as well. sleep sweetly all y’all and thank you johnSwifty……….

well, now my stomach is full of cold fried chicken and Texas Pete, and my eyelids are getting heavy.

Best regards, all.

Sweet dreams to all, and may you have a pleasant tomorrow…

Hope I didn’t shut the house down with my rant about the Stimson scandal…

neurophius @ 216

Hope I didn’t shut the house down with my rant about the Stimson scandal…

No, it’s just that it’s been old news for the last couple of days.

What I’d really like to know, and no one here or in the press has inquired about, is if this particular Stimson is a direct descendant of Henry Stimson (a well-known warhawk, FDR’s Secretary of War and long-time advisor and visitor to the Skull & Bones Society at Yale).

hey, it’s almost fitzmas here on the left coast — i better get to bed before midnite.

g’nite ‘pups, see you for pach’s voir dire blogging from prettyman courthouse in the morning!

OMG! El Gato Negro! just left a comment on my wee little blog on my post about Spocko’s Brain being back up.

Honestly not blog whoring here – just am sitting here with my jaw open.

montag @ 217

neurophius @ 216

Hope I didn’t shut the house down with my rant about the Stimson scandal…

No, it’s just that it’s been old news for the last couple of days.

What I’d really like to know, and no one here or in the press has inquired about, is if this particular Stimson is a direct descendant of Henry Stimson (a well-known warhawk, FDR’s Secretary of War and long-time advisor and visitor to the Skull & Bones Society at Yale).

Wiki says Henry Stimson had no children. But related or not–even if it is only a coincidence of last names–look at this irony:

“Stimson, a lawyer, insisted (against the initial wishes of both Roosevelt and Churchill) on proper judicial proceedings against leading war criminals. He and the War Department drafted the first proposals for an International Tribunal, which soon received backing from the incoming president Truman. Stimson’s plan eventually led to the Nuremberg Trials of 1945-46, which have had a significant impact on the development of International Law.”

neurophius @ 216

Hope I didn’t shut the house down with my rant about the Stimson scandal…

KO covered the story this evening and played Stimson audio. Stimsons voice had a remarkable similarity to a shrill H. Ross Perot.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 221

neurophius @ 216

Hope I didn’t shut the house down with my rant about the Stimson scandal…

KO covered the story this evening and played Stimson audio. Stimsons voice had a remarkable similarity to a shrill H. Ross Perot.

Still shocking to me that the firms providing pro bono assistance were called out by name by Stimson. This is McCarthyism of the worst kind — mixed with dog-whistle fascism, calling on CEOs who patronize these firms to stop their custom because the firms defend “terrorists.”

And now to Gore Vidal’s The City and the Pillar, and to sleep!

**Rawwrr!!** **!Chomp! !Chomp!**

Hasta luego, Sr.T-Rex.

so.

neurophius @ 220

Wiki says Henry Stimson had no children. But related or not–even if it is only a coincidence of last names–look at this irony:

“Stimson, a lawyer, insisted (against the initial wishes of both Roosevelt and Churchill) on proper judicial proceedings against leading war criminals. He and the War Department drafted the first proposals for an International Tribunal, which soon received backing from the incoming president Truman. Stimson’s plan eventually led to the Nuremberg Trials of 1945-46, which have had a significant impact on the development of International Law.”

Henry Stimson was a very odd character–he was a frequenter of Skull & Bones, where I think GHWB met him. He was fond of war. He said that war was a purgative, and there should be one every generation, and yet, he was the person, while he was at the State Dept., who shut down the “Black Chamber,” which was spying on international diplomatic cable traffic, saying, “gentlemen do not read other gentlemen’s mail.”

I live such nice quiet life in the mountains with the sounds of a river running north and an occasional cow in the distance.

Then I read a topo map and see I live just four miles from negro mountain, as the crow flies. Or I click on my favorite state blog and read what Republicans in the south are down to.

Votes to shackle pregnant women — UPDATE

We meant to do this ourselves, but Delphi’s blog did the work for us. He listed the 16 House members, nearly all Republicans, who failed to support the humane bill to prohibit the Correction Department from shackling pregnant inmates.

note: Even when they are in delivery!

Egregious said: Fire up the O’Glakes folks, the enemy approaches.

Damn I love it when egy calls for the O’Glakes to get all fired up!

Condi doesn’t have a Plan B. What military operation does not have a contingency plan?

They have no idea how long this will last or how many casualties we may incur.

Just like they never expected (just like 911)sectarian violence in Iraq – golly, who knew??

But they know what Iran is up to. Yessirree.

They “know” what is convenient for them to “know.” There is no Plan B because they want to ram through their goals, regardless of how many people have to die to accomplish them.

Sounds a bit Stalin-ish to me.

Aaaaaand . . . RUSS!

“The region is happily destabilized.”

Arendt could get another book out of the little sword-flower, this time on the silliness of evil.

BBC reported yesterday that some in Niger don’t think it was so funny that they were made part of the butt of the little joke that some suspect Ledeen is somehow connected to (audio report at link):

Anchor Marco Werman explains why the government of Niger is suing the United States for tarnishing its image. The complaint goes back a claim President Bush made in 2003 that Iraq had been seeking to purchase uranium from Niger.

The plaintiffs, who are several Nigerien NGOs, are interested both in restoring the good name of Niger, and in making the point that bystander countries should not be used in this kind of smear.

mandrake @
227

Condi doesn’t have a Plan B. What military operation does not have a contingency plan?

They have no idea how long this will last or how many casualties we may incur.

Just like they never expected (just like 911)sectarian violence in Iraq – golly, who knew??

But they know what Iran is up to. Yessirree.

They “know” what is convenient for them to “know.” There is no Plan B because they want to ram through their goals, regardless of how many people have to die to accomplish them.

Sounds a bit Stalin-ish to me.

This article from 2004 explains the (non)thinking behind that attitude

Without a Doubt

… “This is why he dispenses with people who confront him with inconvenient facts,” Bartlett went on to say. “He truly believes he’s on a mission from God. Absolute faith like that overwhelms a need for analysis. The whole thing about faith is to believe things for which there is no empirical evidence.” Bartlett paused, then said, “But you can’t run the world on faith.”…

… All of this – the “gut” and “instincts,” the certainty and religiosity -connects to a single word, “faith,” and faith asserts its hold ever more on debates in this country and abroad. That a deep Christian faith illuminated the personal journey of George W. Bush is common knowledge. But faith has also shaped his presidency in profound, nonreligious ways. The president has demanded unquestioning faith from his followers, his staff, his senior aides and his kindred in the Republican Party. Once he makes a decision – often swiftly, based on a creed or moral position – he expects complete faith in its rightness.

The disdainful smirks and grimaces that many viewers were surprised to see in the first presidential debate are familiar expressions to those in the administration or in Congress who have simply asked the president to explain his positions. Since 9/11, those requests have grown scarce; Bush’s intolerance of doubters has, if anything, increased, and few dare to question him now. A writ of infallibility – a premise beneath the powerful Bushian certainty that has, in many ways, moved mountains – is not just for public consumption: it has guided the inner life of the White House. As Whitman told me on the day in May 2003 that she announced her resignation as administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency: “In meetings, I’d ask if there were any facts to support our case. And for that, I was accused of disloyalty!” (Whitman, whose faith in Bush has since been renewed, denies making these remarks and is now a leader of the president’s re-election effort in New Jersey.) …

…The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”…

It’s an old one but a good one

TeddySanFran @
222

Still shocking to me that the firms providing pro bono assistance were called out by name by Stimson. This is McCarthyism of the worst kind — mixed with dog-whistle fascism, calling on CEOs who patronize these firms to stop their custom because the firms defend “terrorists.”

And now to Gore Vidal’s The City and the Pillar, and to sleep!

The blatant disrespect of the law shown by Stimson and other lawyers is what has me fired up and chronically quizzled.

Most of the gitmoees barely qualified as suspects…hell, some didn’t even qualify as adults.

If you’ve not read Nance today over at DU, this may qualify as one of her best rants: http://journals.democraticunde…..Greggs/150

Good morning, pups. Thanks to looseheadprop I’m feeling informed enough to probably spend WAY too much time checking in here for news of Fitzmas.

Today in the NYT we have Nicholas Kristof on Darfur and how people are helping, and guest columnist Stacy Schiff on modern parenting. Thank heaven I was never subjected to the playground she describes, with “play workers” dancing attendance. [shudder] Kids of the 50s would have been HORRIFIED to have adults on the playground!

http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/

Merry Fitzmas, everyone!

http://www.irinnews.org/report…..untry=IRAQ

BAGHDAD, 15 Jan 2007 (IRIN) – Residents of Iraq’s capital, Baghdad, are at risk of contracting a range of waterborne diseases as the city’s sewage system has collapsed after four days of heavy rain, the country’s health ministry said on Monday.

For nearly a week now, 45-year-old teacher Jassim Abdullah has been forced to buy bottled water for his family’s daily use at an expense that his meagre income barely covers.

“We can’t use tap water for drinking or cooking. It’s all sewage. That is why I have put aside 100,000 Iraqi dinars [about US $75] to buy water for cooking and washing,” said Abdullah, a father of five girls, from Baghdad’s poor neighbourhood of Hurriyah.

I’m up. Drinking coffee and picking lint out of my chartreuse feather boa.

Yes, I’m ready for court. Leaving shortly.

I slept well with xyz’s words of sweet lullaby encouragement in my head.

Ed*ard Teller @
17

Michael Ledeen must be rolling over in his grave realizing that his passing was of so little note that most of the few of us who give a fuck about what a sleazy, lying, manipulating guy he was, didn’t even know or care that he is gone.

Actually I did know and do care and, paraphrasing Evil Dr. Puma, it IS time to get serious. He WAS the forger’s controller.

The most accurate description of him was to say that he is Kaiser Soze

In the memory of his passing he should be continually exhumed for we know his fondness for a state of unrest.

Good luck Pach

Have a look at Wikipedia for Michael Ledeen. Here is part of it:

Jonah Goldberg, Ledeen’s colleague at National Review magazine, coined the term “Ledeen Doctrine” in a 2002 column.[1] This tongue-in-cheek “doctrine” is usually summarized as “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business,” which Goldberg remembered Ledeen saying in an early 1990s speech. The term “Ledeen Doctrine” is often mistakenly attributed to Michael Ledeen himself.

Charming.

Ledeen may be heavily involved in the famous yellowcake forgery (”Iraq seeking to purchase yellowcake from Niger”) that seems to have come out of Italy. That was a major reason why we went to war in Iraq.

Swell guy.

Mornin’.

Pach you’re going to work mighty early.
Good luck.

I just couldn’t sleep.

Today: we go into Plametary orbit.
Blast off!!

Merry Fitzmas, Firepups!

Cloudy, windy, and getting colder by the minute here in central Jersey. I just pulled corn muffins out of the oven. The coffee’s hot. Help yourselves!

I lift my mug o’ java to toast the Firedoglake team covering the Libby trial. And I tip my hat to the prosecutor, a real hero. I know everyone has done their homework and are ready to go. I’m just one of the fans in the stands, cheering for truth and justice.

Work for peace, every day!

Mornin’ all!

g’morning all

…been out scouting for impending doom and danger

This administration is so idiotic, they can’t even stage a garage sale without selling weapons to their ‘axis of evil’
AP: Iran gets army gear in Pentagon sale

The Chimp on 60 Minutes

“We liberated that country from a tyrant. I think the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude.”

U.N.: 34,000 Iraqis killed last year

I can’t believe it’s Fitzmas Morning.
I want to open all my presents at once, before breakfast.
But, since I am a grownup, I will be patient, knowing that all good things truly come to those who wait.
And, Lord, I have waited.

twolf1,
the price of waiting

Wasn’t Ledeen the guy who said the US needs to slam a smaller less powerful country up against the wall now and then to remind the world who’s boss?

WTF is wrong with these people that they have so much contempt for life of any kind? Do they not get that if the world is destroyed they’ll be among the dead too?

If I could do one thing to make this world a better place,I think I’d ban think tanks. Alot of evil comes from them,much more so than good. Not to mention the money that washes through them like water(they don’t directly do anything that makes money,do they?)that might actually be used for good.

off to the daily grind

Ah yes,comment 237 answered my question. My menopause addled brain isn’t as shot as I thought it was,lol.

‘Mornin’, FirePups!!

I am SO excited today, feels like Christmas morning!!!

Cannot wait to unwrap that first new thread of the Fitzmas season!!!

No pressure, though. Waited this long, I can wait a bit longer. Besides, have to trundle a kid off to school. Are the rest of you as excited as Mack and I are?

twolf1 @ 244

The Chimp on 60 Minutes

“We liberated that country from a tyrant. I think the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude.”

U.N.: 34,000 Iraqis killed last year

The grateful dead?

egregious @ 251

twolf1 @ 244

The Chimp on 60 Minutes

“We liberated that country from a tyrant. I think the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude.”

U.N.: 34,000 Iraqis killed last year

The grateful dead?

ba dum bum

Hi folks -

CSPAN has Carol Loesing(?) for WaPo now on WJ about Fitz and Libby today . Now.

Blank Kludge @ 253

Hi folks -

CSPAN has Carol Loesing(?) for WaPo now on WJ about Fitz and Libby today . Now.

…and a picture of scowling dick

twolf1 @ 243

This administration is so idiotic, they can’t even stage a garage sale without selling weapons to their ‘axis of evil’
AP: Iran gets army gear in Pentagon sale

What a story.

I particularly like the guy who explains that yes, they aren’t supposed to sell this stuff to Iran, but they have to make money too. Well, that’s all right then.

twolf—I read your comment too fast and wondered what was a scowling duck.

egregious @ 256

twolf—I read your comment too fast and wondered what was a scowling duck.

I saw the same thing. More coffee….

Mack @ 248

off to the daily grind

Pour me a cup too?

new thread up

Rayne—if I get any more psyched it will push me into mania. I am staying calm. Like election night.

egregious @
256

twolf—I read your comment too fast and wondered what was a scowling duck.

that sounds like a good photoshop project

Mornin’ pups.

Isn’t it just about that time?

New Thread yet?

I would just like to say about the toady Ledeen that if it’s ok for him to openly advocate revolution in Iran, it’s ok for me to openly advocate revolution in this country. Freedom, and all that you know.

That was a great piece TRex. The last paragraph pretty much sums up nutwinger attitude toward the Middle East IMHO.

TRex, you had me at the dryer lint, but the closing, well, I’m finished for sure!!

Ledeen Ghorbanifar and Weldon sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G

It must be a nut tree

Why in the fuck does anyone waste time talking to Ledeen. This guy is a compulsive liar he even had the nerve (he has no conscience) to say that he had not supported the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq. Christ almighty go read his articles at National Review.

He twist, he turns, he lies and lies some more.
It does not matter how many Iraqi or Iranians die as long as “the greater Israel plan” is implemented and arms sales go up.

Lock him up “faster please”