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Umm . . . I'm not actually sitting in for Christy. I'm really on my way to work (Sunday mornings are kind of busy on my schedule, being a pastor and all), but I put this together in Christy's absence for everyone to reflect upon the preaching done at those self-serving Sunday morning TV ego-worship events wonderful public discourse alive in our great nation as seen on this delightful Sunday morning. I always enjoy stopping back here in the afternoon to catch up on what I missed.
Here's the lineup for the Sunday talk shows, as described by the various network websites themselves . . .
Newsmakers (C-SPAN): Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK; National Republican Campaign Committee chairman), with reporters Josh Kurtz (politics editor at Roll Call) & Jackie Calmes (national reporter at the Wall Street Journal).
Meet The Press (NBC): National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley talking about Iraq, and then four senators on Iraq and the "first 100 hours": Christopher Dodd (D-CT; 2008 presidential candidate), Joseph Lieberman (D/I-CT [yes, that's how MTP mis-identifies him on their website]; chair of Homeland Security & Govt. Affairs Committee), John Kyl (R-AZ; Senate Republican Conference chair) and Chuck Hegel (R-NE; Foreign Relations Committee).
This Week (ABC): National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley and Rep. Jack Murtha (D-PA) on the president's plan for Iraq; Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA) on his agenda for 2007; and the roundtable with George Will, Katrina vander Heuvel, and Fareed Zakaria.
Face the Nation (CBS): Senators John McCain (R-AZ; Armed Services Committee) and Barak Obama (D-IL; Foreign Relations Committee) on the plan for Iraq.
CNN Late Edition (CNN): Iraqi foreign minister Hoshyar Zebari, Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI, Armed Services Committee chairman), Pakistani prime minister Shaukat Aziz, Gen. Richard Myers (former Joint Chiefs chairman), and Sen. John Kerry (D-MA, Foreign Relations Committee member).
Fox News Sunday (FOX): An exclusive interview with Vice President Dick Cheney, followed by a panel discussion of Iraq and the first 100 days of the Democratic Congress with Fox News Washington Managing Editor Brit Hume, Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol, NPR Senior National Correspondent Juan Williams and NPR National Political Correspondent Mara Liasson.
Random thoughts and questions . . . Who could have anticipated that the Vice President would give an exclusive interview to Fox? No one expects the spineless inquisition! . . . What's a female member of Congress have to do to get booked on one of these shows – become a reporter? . . . I'm guessing that Stephen Hadley will like the green room a lot better at NBC, where he'll have Short Ride Joe to chat with instead of Jack Murtha at ABC . . .
Iraq's the big topic, but only one show is going to sit down and talk with, you know, an actual Iraqi. Good for CNN, and I hope Wolf makes the best of it. I'm not holding my breath, mind you, but we'll see.
In keeping with Christy's tradition of birds on this Sunday morning thread, I wanted to show you a picture of the bald eagle that The Kid, Mrs. Peterr, and I saw over Christmas, perched in a tree on the shore of the little lake where my parents live. Alas, since we had gone out fishing and not birding, we didn't have a camera in the boat to point at the majestic bird sitting regally on a branch not more than thirty feet away from us. Mrs. Peterr, the photo-bug in the family, was not at all happy at missing the opportunity. When we got back to my folks' dock, sans fish, I asked them why them why they didn't tell us about the eagle so we could have brought the cameras. "Oh, that's right – he's new around here – sorry about that."
Oh well, we'll bring the camera next time we go fishing there. But meanwhile, here's a Crested Lark, which according to the blogger Siflayhraka is "fairly ubiquitous in Iraq" and has a song that is "melodious and varied, with mournful whistles and mimicry included."
Mourning and mimicry in Iraq – sounds about right for this morning, don't you think?
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Pastor!
Mornin’ Peterr and thank you!
Cheney loves his boyz at Faux, doncha know. I, for one, will not be watching that softball match.
Well, the thugs really packed the bleachers today; could it possibly be worse? That’s one of those simple answers to a simple question ;-(
It started at WJ w/some guy from PowerLine (whose name isn’t worth remembering) who had the talking points & lies down pat paired w/an empty-headed pretty face. UGH!
Re- reading the line- up and having snorted in disgust again… could there be any doubt at all that the media is compliant in the takeover of our country? I mean, Arnold gets a seat at the table to discuss his agenda for 2007 while people are being wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan? I would much prefer to sit and listen to the mournful cries of that birdie.
Why no Jim Webb? Why no General Shinseki? Why no Scott Ritter or Hans Blix or Jimmy Carter or Zbig or Gore or Kucinich or Lamont? Why nobody from the ISG? Why Dickie Myers, Dickie Cheney and the other deadly clowns?
Morning Peterrrr and everyone. Just wanted to drop a link to this story regarding Mr. Joe Lieberman (ICon-o-LAST:
Bush’s new buddy, Lieberman
http://newsblogs.chicagotribun…..buddy.html
From the nyt:
Sen. Joe Lieberman: You Can Call Him an I-Conn.-oclast
For the past eight weeks, Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman has asked to be called an Independent Democrat — “capital I, capital D,” he even specified.
http://www.nytimes.com/cq/2007/01/12/cq_2114.html
Morning, all.
I’m up early, running through the sermon once more before heading off to church on the Martin Luther King Day weekend, but thought I’d stick my head in and say hello.
ccmask, that link @ 5goes to an article by the DC bureau chief of the Hartford Courant (The Tribune Co owns it, I believe, as well as their flagship Chicago Trib). It’s a good piece, but I still have trouble with the line “He [Joe] is also considered a strong ally of new Environment and Public Works Committee Chairwoman Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.”
I like Boxer a lot, but her relationship with Lieberman is one that I just do not get.
Oh well, catch you folks later!
He can ask all he wants. Just like Bush asking for his war. And I want a pony and some of that swag.
Good morning, everyone. I’ve opted for the Sci Fi Channel instead of talking heads today. Couldn’t tolerate the prospect of seeing clips of Our Great Leader. In the NYT today they served up David Brooks (sigh), Nicholas Kristof on why we always have sucked at foreign policy, and Frank Rich. Rich knows flop sweat when he sees it.
http://mgpaquin.blogspot.com/
Have a wonderful day.
‘mornin all!
Mornin’ Pastor Peter and Firedogs,
Birds of Iraq
http://iraqfauna.wikispaces.com/Systematic Bird List – Iraq
my fave:
http://www.willamette.edu/cla/…..hoopoe.jpg
can you say intrepid birder, I knew ya could
http://www.weblogimages.com/v……pid=119794
Oh and the Wapo actually gave Neocrazy Bolton space to spew forth today…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02061.html
angie @ 12
yuck – he’s enough to make breakfast come back up
I know, twolf1– I am feeling queasy and have that feeling of foreboding again…
the only reason sunday shows are worth watching — if you can stand them — are for the glimpses (or hedging) of true intentions, and what kind of window dressing how those intentions will be outfitted with.
otherwise, they are a merely a nasty bit of the beltway community preening to each other without the cocktail weenies handy. for the rest of us, watching too long is unhealthy, not unlike gazing at an unshielded core of radioactive stupidity.
man, that line PISSES me off
“an exclusive interview”
read;
“paid infomercial”
WE NEED THE FAIRNESS DOCTINE ASAP
amazing how every Sunday morning, these same clowns are out there beating the drum…
and still, no one is buying it…
angie @
14
cheney’s on Fux News Sunday now
I don’t know why I peeked at the local rag’s LTE’s yesterday while browsing in a store. I never bother with it at all for anything. You can imagine my surprise to see:
http://www.masslive.com/letter…..amp;coll=1
I’ve called the Rep’s local office the last three days advocating all the above. I wanted to see what was in the ‘mainstream’. I think I may submit something this week to LTE. I think the DC crowd needs to hear OUR SHOUTING!
do u and the prez feel embattled?
Cheney – “I dont. And the preznit doesn’t either (b/c he too dumb). I’ve been around a while and seen a lot.”
I wonder what Dick is pushing. All I know is that on the Today News show in my town, they were giving directions on how to get Kool-Aid stains off your blouse. Something to do with an iron.
oh no, if i see bill kristol on teevee, i will hurl…. better turn it off
normally ignoring Sunday Talk, happened to catch Tweety this morning – yeegawd !
Bush’s Concern Troll Sully on Surge “we all pray it will work”
as if it had a pea hen hope in hell of even landing in the same zip code as ‘working’ – are they all really that insulated ?!?!
oh but Tweety his own self let loose with what he thought was a possible scenario – that led to bombing Iran and making this country safer, Bush was right, and then what do we all say ??
simply stunning in it’s raw stupidity
for Pachacutec in case he checks in -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmgfLI1NBe8
jeebus, 16 years, where in the hell did the time go?
IMHO, the only accurate designation for Holy Joe is L-CT. That’s L for Likud.
Meanwhile, a random, crazy query: Where is our Marshall Wittmann? That is, why don’t progressives have a mole or two or ten bending the ears, minds, and policies of Republicans? Why isn’t there a Republican Leadership Council forging a clandestine progressive beachhead in Republican land under the guise of preaching bipartisanship and comity?
What has stopped, and continues to stop, us from doing it to them the way they do it to us?
From the BBC-TV: American Camp Lemonier on the Keny/Somalia, still bombing looking for el Quida. Warships, helicopters….
thats Kenya/Somalia border, I meant.
We have theme music now?
This from the Travelblog.org:
We decided to visit Camp Lemonier, which is a US Military base on the outskirts of town. It is a joint base, in that there are Marines, Navy, Army and Air Force service personnel assigned there. It is a quasi permanent base, and one military fellow said that there are plans to make it a permanent base. That means barracks, and all the facilities that you would find at a up and running military complex. As of right now, the barracks consist of air conditioned tents, and a lot of temporary buildings. Of course we visited the Commissary and PX, to do a little shopping. The items available are quite limited, but adequate for our needs. We saw one sign in the PX that stated “Djibouti is so nice, they named it twice”. This refers to the fact that the capitol city is named Djibouti as well as the name of the country…. Djibouti, Djibouti. This is certainly tounge in cheek…
As we walked around the base, we discoverd other little shops and around one corner we ran into a Burger King. Yes, woppers are available here. Of course we tried one, and they are truly stateside woppers. A little touch of home, here in the desert. We plan on making a weekly run to Camp Lemonier just to keep in touch with our stateside personas…
http://www.travelblog.org/Afri…..46345.html
cleter @ 27
Have you had enough?
ccmask – you ’spose there’s oil in Djibouti?
otherwise, I can’t imagine why we are there….
The news showed it on a big corner on an Island. Where there’s Burger King, there’s oil :)
ralphbon @ 24
because there is no way a sentient being could align him/herself among the crazies without either sickened by exposure to the incessant intellectual dishonesty, or being driven insane by swimming among the true believers.
Old Coastie: You are right. From 1993:
THE OIL FACTOR IN SOMALIA
FOUR AMERICAN PETROLEUM GIANTS HAD AGREEMENTS WITH THE AFRICAN NATION BEFORE ITS CIVIL WAR BEGAN. THEY COULD REAP BIG REWARDS IF PEACE IS RESTORED
http://www.netnomad.com/fineman.html
Need to take off for church now, but click my name for some stuff about yesterday’s inauguration, including Strickland’s inaugural address.
The big 4 and the trifecta president. If it weren’t for 911, how did the big 4 plan to get the Iraq prize?
ccmask @ 33
why am I not surprised…
:-{
Cheney on Fox????
Oh my, I feel faint from the shock! I must prostrate myself immediately lest I crumple to the floor, silk petticoats and all, into an undignified pile.
Viney, honey, bring me my smellin’ salts!
no, but poverty so pervasive a little CIA ‘jingle’ goes a long way
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27c/417.html
Mr. Cheney, in light of your daughter Mary’s pregnancy and Barbara Boxer’s shade-throwing on Condi Rice do you think closeted lesbians should recuse themselves from politics?
The Somalia story linked above, they are talking about Poppy Bush here (1993)
“Throughout the course of his 17,000-mile trip, Bush suggested continued low (oil) prices would jeopardize a domestic oil industry ‘vital to the national security interests of the United States,’ which was interpreted at home and abroad as a sign the onetime oil driller from Texas was coming to the aid of his former associates,” United Press International reported from Washington the day after Bush dedicated Hunt’s Yemen refinery.
No such criticism accompanied Bush’s decision late last year to send more than 20,000 U.S. troops to Somalia, widely applauded as a bold and costly step to save an estimated 2 million Somalis from starvation by opening up relief supply lines and pacifying the famine-struck nation.
But since the U.S. intervention began, neither the Bush Administration nor any of the oil companies that had been active in Somalia up until the civil war broke out in early 1991 have commented publicly on Somalia’s potential for oil and natural gas production. Even in private, veteran oil company exploration experts played down any possible connection between the Administration’s move into Somalia and the corporate concessions at stake.
Since McCain is on the docket, I can bring up (on topic) something I just learned–John McCain is a Latin American immigrant! (This is not a joke or snark–the link is to the Washington Post, and you’ll find plenty of other documentation should you doubt me.) This is fine with me–but how about the sort of person who he’s planning to woo for his campaign?
He was born in Panama to US parents. Under any “reasonable” interpretation of the Constitution’s “natural-born citizen” clause, he’s eligible to be president, though the question has actually never been ruled on. Also, why should we always be the reasonable ones?
Surely we can find at least one Democrat to publicly repeat, “I think it’s an open question whether a Latin American immigrant like McCain can actually serve as president”? As it hasn’t been ruled on, it’s even actually true whether it’s an open question.
Waccamaw @ 3
I saw that guy, Waccamaw. He was paired against a moderate. I didn’t like that.
Wrote you back this morning. Sorry, I was caught up in projects yesterday! More to come today!
However, I must first recover from the shock of learning that Cheney will be on Fox today. That may take a couple of hours (insert snark here) So now he’s even avoiding Tim Russert? That’s pretty damn bad!
ProgFoland: Hmnnnnnnn
Was Arnold born here?
ccmask @ 44
if you are speaking of the Govinator, the answer is no…
.
that’s wax removal from clothing or carpets -
plain brown bag over wax, iron over w/ medium heated iron – voila !
now back to your regularly scheduled Sunday Morning Outrage:)
“Fox News Sunday (FOX): An exclusive interview with Vice President Dick Cheney, followed by a panel discussion of Iraq and the first 100 days of the Democratic Congress with Fox News Washington Managing Editor Brit Hume, Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol, NPR Senior National Correspondent Juan Williams and NPR National Political Correspondent Mara Liasson.”
Yep, fair and balanced.
Nice to see that Nov 7, and the polls crucifying the Pres’s new policy haven’t deterred the talkin’-head shows from giving the big stage to the Repub’s every Sunday.
Time for a massive advertiser boycott on all of ‘em.
On WJ: NRC Chairman and Congressman Tom Cole.
“We will have no problems recruiting more military. Piece of cake”
Pass the kool-aid. I think Paul Wolfowitz mixed up a batch before he took off for the World Bank. No worries – it’s best when fermented.
Arnold was born in Austria. Can’t be president.
John Sidney McCain III, the 71 year old senator, was born on a US military base in Panama, which by some interpretation, would make him eligible.
Of course, recent court rulings on Guantanamo ruled that military bases on foreign soil are some sort of limbo not actually under the jurisdiction of the United States. So, it is an open question whether someone born in Panama–or Gitmo, for that matter–is eligible. If you aren’t covered by the Constitution in such places, I would argue no. McCain’s citizenship derives from his parents, not from being “natural born.”
Caught last few minutes of Senator panel on MTP. Hagel smacks down J-LIE, santimoner-in-chief and I-J4J.
Prairie Sunshine @ 51
Good to know we will likely have his vote to counter Droopy’s, at least.
Been a few weeks since I dropped in here to poop in everybody’s oatmeal, but I say don’t watch these shows!!! Just don’t watch. You KNOW what they’re going to say, you’ll only get mad or scared and feed the madness. You need to stay centered, keep breathing, and work for impeachment. Maintain SEPARATION from the old life that’s going down, or you’ll just go down with it.
Peterr—
The thing is, you SAW a bald eagle thirty feet away.
Are we so dissatisfied with life that such a miracle becomes yet another opportunity for disappointment?
Of course you guys know I -always- look on the bright side of things.
Thanks for the great post. I seem to see admin hawks revising history on every channel I land.
It’s as though a dual reality has always existed, especially in the newsertainment political pundit arena. Ay least we’ve moved on from the sordid political sex-murder focus that gripped us pre-9/11. I do have to wonder who puts the pundits on, decides the focus and drives the discussion.
Who was possibly concerned about the WH energy meetings, CA energy crisis scam or ‘private’ energy meetings during the Levy production?
Sherman, ready the Wayback Machine
ccmask @ 6
CTBob mentioned something about his *real* party affiliation on Lamont night. Have to read up on what’s going down with CT4Liarman. It’s all pretty funny.
Reliable Sources now…Steve Roberts saying the press has felt like failures for not reporting more on the fabrications that led up to the Iraq war [his word]. Host tries to dampen it down and asks if press is overcritical now.
Not so much!
Roberts also touts citizen journalists, the one guy with the digital camera whose images could be posted to the web, etc. Roberts is, I think, a professor. You can see he’d be excellent at that, too.
If I have read the C-Span schedule carefully, and who knows, there appears to be a repeat of the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing from Friday where Senator Webb delivers a blistering smackdown to Pace and Graham.
The rerun commences at 2:21pm and a commenter at kos thot Webb came in at about 3 hours into the hearing. So call it 5:15 – 5:25, of course right in the middle of our book salon. An embarrassment of riches.
Go Teddy—election today—let us know!
Timmeh hammering the pathological lying Stephen Hadley.
How about I-Conn-lost
ccmask @ 60
Penitentiary con works for me.
Is Hadley testfying in the Plame trial and if he is, has Timmeh asked him?
egregious @ 61
That works too`
John H. Farr…poop away. But from MTP and RS alone, I suggest there are emerging new voices…Hagel and Mr. Roberts among ‘em. Getting the greater press attention they are over-due. We can only hope…and write to shows *hint, hint* and encourage more of the same!
The bandwagon’s already rolling and building up steam. And BushCo is so pre-Nov 7. J-LIE looks more and more like yesterday’s
birdcage linernews.Time to go watch the robin bathe in our subzero heated birdbath….
;(
(bold mine)
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters…..ref=slogin
Watching meat the press. Stephen Hadley, whata greasy tool! He confused Iran and Iraq and greased his way out of the arrested Iranian question. And seemed to conflate Hezbollah with the insurgency in Iraq.
Or maybe it’s me that’s confused.
Timmeh just announced LIEberman as a democrat who agrees with the chimp!…YUCK….what a bunch of losahs!
ccmask @ 62
Don’t know, and from what I saw, Timmeh only blasted him on Iraq.
mui @ 66
And, NO mention of the raid on the Iranian consulate or the kidnapping of their people…
Stephie did not even ASK– oh no, not gunna do that!
blech.
mui at 7:26 am
No, I think you got it right. Hadley’s a tool. (Sincerest apologies to all tools.)
why isn’t Lieberman on the set?
Did he refuse to sit w/ Dodd?
Jesus – Lieberman’s a moron. (in addition to being a whole bunch of other stuff that I loathe).
Stil conflating Iraq with 9-11, and the “the terrorists will follow us back to the U.S.”
What a maroon.
Morning everyone. Kinda dreary-lookin’ here, but at least we’ve escaped the ice. Hope everyone’s coping o.k. in the midwest.
noglobalwarming, nope nope, just move along folks, nothing to see here…
Prairie Sunshine @ 51
Now a Hagel smackdown of JLIE-D-I-CT I could enjoy(!)
Mornin’ Prairie [Icy?]Sunshine. Thanks for the image. Hope I can catch a Hagel replay, la-de-dah & yeehaw! Better get out the popcorn…
Morning Peterr. Always appreciate reading your views My how inciteful, er um, insightful these good prayin’fellas are on their way to Sunday services. Bet no one nods off in your sermons!
And thanx for the birdie i.d. I got far enuf to make a wild guess at lark-of-some-sort, & knew it warn’t ours, but would ‘a been stuck. Note the cryptic coloring, folks. When you have a voice like an angel, & no place cept desert floor to hide, who needs to stick out like a soreloserman. Boids make more sense than a wholelotta politicians I’ve been watchin’ lately…. but then, none a the pols sound or think like angels, so… I guess their only thot is to parade around like, well…. politicians – a sorry lot indeed this week, mostly.
Nora Ephron on the Barbara Boxer/Childless Condi hullaballoo.
Pretty dead-on and we could all use a chuckle.
from raw story in 2005:
In March 2003, the White House Iraq Group began doing a work-up on Joseph Wilson. Hadley was present at some of these meetings.
snip
Timmeh and Hadley-tool belt fillers
I’m expecting Lieberman to be asked about investigating the Katrina response. I hope I’m not disappointed.
FWIW, Timmeh did ask right at the end about the kidnapping. Hadley dodged it as per usual.
in case y’all missed this late last week -
Congressman David Wu (D – Sane)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-RqyLcDFfw
almost changed channel b/c it was so damn nerdy, but found myself giving him a standing O – what in the hell is in the water in Oregon ?!?!?
mui @
56
Mornin’ Mui,
I’d like to see one of these talk show folks or just an old media reporter ask Holy Joe “when did you switch/leave parties from the CFL party to I/D party?” Perhaps run a story about the first Senator to switch parties (CFL to I) this Congress.
Perhaps that is a bit too subtle for them. It’s certainly far too factual for old media journalists or television infortainment personalities like Pumpkinhead.
slainte,
cl
mandrake @ 74
WHAT A HOOT! Even the neighborhood owl’s rockin’ on that one. Thanks for the linky, mandrake.
John Edwards is to give another strong speech against escalation today, calling on congress to act now rather than continuing to consult with their advisers.
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/el…..uther_king
I’ll bet there’s quite a huge cache of oil recently found under New Orleans…. Poor people all over the world getting moved off their land for the big 4. People in Somalia are still doing their laundry in the river rubbing rocks together and they are sitting on a motherlode. Must be the same in NOLA.
cleter @
50
That’s a lovely piece of petard-hoisting you’ve done there, cleter!
anybody else notice that Lieberman is sitting in front of a “Meet the Press” backdrop? Does he just travel with one of those now? Or is he sitting in the “Green Room” and speaking from there?
Marion in Savannah @
9
Frank Rich on who stands with Bush, now.
Prairie Sunshine @ 80
YW!
I’m just so depressed that Tony Snow’s delicate sensibilities were injured by all this. I hope he recovers in time for the next press conference. Egads, what if they ask him about Laura’s comment??
Professor Foland @ 83
Oh, lord. That is beautiful. Bee-yoo-tee-full!
Yes, Hagel delivered a smackdown.
I have trouble looking at Lieberman, the depth of my hatred is so great.
Caoimhin Laochdha @ 79
Morning.
Wow! I hope one of our bloggers got the transcript or recorded this morning’s Meat the Press. Chuck Hagel said the president’s idea would be the worst since Vietnam. He came on pretty strong, and Lieberman looking like a disembodied smiley face took some heat. Dodd also warmed up too.
egregious @ 54
egregious. You make a terrific point.
Hubby & I have been fortunate to take some wonderful trips at long last, lately, after beening totally tied down ’bout 40 yrs or so w/ noses to the grindstone.
We’ve seen some incredible birds: Costa Rica, Ecuador, NEON-colored birds – no foolin’(!)
We had our choice of acting like a lotta folk and frantically spending every moment trying to capture that special photo, or simply savoring the moment and REALLY watching the birds. We chose the latter, and haven’t been sorry.
The internet is absolutely LOADED with beautiful photos – pick one to your liking and make it wallpaper on your monitor.
BUT, if you are fortunate enough to get a chance to see the real thing, just stop for as long as you can and savor the experience. I promise you’ll never lose that moment, and you can return to it any time you want. Probably sounds corny, but it works for us. ;->
I’m beginning to appreciate Nora Ephron.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..38619.html
AP – Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday the Pentagon and CIA are not violating people’s rights by examining the banking and credit records of hundreds of Americans and others suspected of terrorism or espionage in the United States.
Did McCain get fired at Meet the Press? He wasn’t there today. What’s up with that?
This is some crazy irony. Chuck Hagel (R) smacking down Lieberman (supposedly D, or CT4L now I) for basically what amounts to shilling for the president
EDITORIAL
Bush’s idle threat
The president delivered an ultimatum to Iraq’s leaders on Wednesday … or did he?
January 14, 2007
ON WEDNESDAY, President Bush told the nation that “America’s commitment is not open-ended” in Iraq. By Friday, however, the administration was already backsliding. What wasn’t open-ended, apparently, was just U.S. support for Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki. When it comes to American boots on the ground, according to Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, the U.S. is in Iraq for the long haul.
Gates put it bluntly in testimony Friday to the Senate Armed Services Committee. “Saying, ‘If you don’t do this, we’ll leave, and we’ll leave now,’ does not strike me as being in the national interests of the United States,” Gates said. As for how long the U.S. will stay, he reckoned, “I think [what] the president had in mind was that we would probably have to be in Iraq to provide help of one kind or another to the Iraqis for quite some time.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..n-leftrail
Hi egregious!
I left you a note on your depression blog! Don’t worry, I did not mention Iraq or Bush/Cheney! ;-)
Paul MillR @ 92
All employees get 2 weeks paid vacation.
John H. Farr @ 53
I couldn’t agree more! By the time I get up in Alaska, if I read a few comments on these shows, especially ABC, NBC and CBS – ’cause they’re pre-recorded for our westerly time zone – I’m dissuaded from even wanting to watch this series of uninspired, pablum-mouthed corporate shills. And I’ll second peterr’s take on the male dominance among the pols represented.
So I get two things out of reading this thread, a deterrence from turning on the talking heads, and great bird pics, stories and links.
egregious, there are about six bald eagles who patrol our lake. Two reside on the hills overlooking the lake and four visit from the two nearest lakes. We see them almost every day, all year round. Occasionally, one will land on the deck outside our big window, looking for scraps left for other birds.
Sometimes in summer, one of the cats, wandering around the lawns or gardens, will see an eagle in the distance, and disappear into the shadows. Even better, sometimes the shadow of an eagle will pass near enough to a cat for the animal to gauge the size of the bird. Instant realization!
Wonder how long will it be before President Carter is called anti-Semetic?
Jimmy Carter’s offensive against U.S. Jewry
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/813159.html
mandrake @ 95
Thanks!
You can talk about Iran/Iraq Bush/Cheney, it’s just that I can’t start up on a long rant. It makes me too manic and that’s dangerous for me.
Like Oklahoma Kiddo and Senator You Know Who?
Chris Matthews, Andrea Mitchell, Dan Rather, Andrew Sullivan are now talking about how alone (boohoo) the president is. They are talking of the significance of Brownback’s “desertion.” And comparing Bush’s “decision” to surge to Nixon’s decision to invade Cambodia, with less than 30% of the pop supporting him.
ET—
I imagine for a cat who goes after birds, the sight or even the shadow of an eagle would be a surprise.
We need more eagles in our national life.
Joe Lieberman (I-Israel)
and webcams showing Hot Babes like this one -
http://www.wavelit.com/?ch=Wildlife&sh=africam
oh yeah, cbl is in total escapist mode
mui – try and get through the end of that program where Chris talks about his personal What If scenario on Iran X
Gawd our Secretary of State is unbelievably stupid. ‘Temporary borders’ for Palestine’?
Waiting to see how these four– Chris Matthews, Andrea Mitchell, Dan Rather, Andrew Sullivan –
dissect Hillary and her stance on the war. May be a bunch of BS.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 98
The problem with this article, beginning with the hostile headline, is that Carter is critical of the policies of a succession of governments of a country – Isra*l. I’ve finished the book, and nowhere does he criticize “jews” or “jewry,” either in the US or elsewhere. He does criticize politicians and policy makers who happen to be Christian, Muslim and Jewish, and notes shortcomings in the stances of many of them based on actions these individuals have taken when invoking their personal religions.
mui – try and get through the end of that program where Chris talks about his personal What If scenario on Iran X
Oh jeez.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 104
I’ve been gnashing my teeth over that this morning and the promise by A. Lieberman for more incursions into Gaza followed by his suggestion for 30,000 NATO troops to occupy Gaza.
This is very, very sad and heartbreaking:
Add worried dad to grim Iraq toll
http://www.nydailynews.com/fro…..1442c.html
Oklahoma kiddo @ 98
he has already been called a BIGOT by the head of the Anti-Defamation League. Story in the NYT magazine today (it’s not behind the elitist barrier “Times Select”).
typical trick of the “conservatives”: if you’re against AIPAC and the NEOCONS you’re against “U.S. Jewry”. hello? we’re not being anti-semitic just because we don’t go along with the Israeli Government, and we don’t go along with the Israeli Government and the Bush Administration when they do things that are harmful to, and not in the best interests of, the United States of America (Jews included).
David Ehrenstein @ 39
what’s closeted about mary cheney?
Anybody up for a second helping of Fried Rice?
SFRC hearing being replayed on CSPAN right now.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 109
More blood on their hands…
Misinformation?
I just wrote to the Boston Globule…
This statement is just not right.
“Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald spent three years investigating that allegation but filed no charges based on the leak itself. He says his work is done except for trying Libby, who resigned after being indicted in October 2005.”
His work is NOT done!
http://www.boston.com/news/nat…..istration/
Jack
The baroque belief in the innate goodness of the U.S. of A. — despite manifest evidence to the cotnrary — continues to hold us all hostage.
We are a nation of murdererous psychopaths — and the sooner we fess up to that fact the better.
GW Clusterfuck is now fighting for his political life–and he’s in ICU…
You can bet that the White House is calling every news orgainization under the sun and raising holy hell about giving a fair appraisal of Clusterfuck’s great new plan..You can also bet that the usual gooper suspects have been martialed to threaten to withdraw advertising if the media don’t quit dissing His Utter Failure..
Will be an interesting month or so as we see whether this president can hold onto like in a VERY adverse enviroment that he created..
I think the public reaction to him is much worse than most know..
I talked to my gray haired gooper mother yesterday- who now says- “Well of course no one would vote for him now!”
He’s toast- REALLY toast- when goopers dismiss him in that way…
INSERT THE FEEDING TUBE!!
“Senator You Know Who?” I must remain calm. I will remain non-unhinged. ;) ;)
Nothing. She’s making a contribution to the recuit pool.
Condi is not.
Kathryn in MA @ 85
hey rudy gave us bernie kerik, whose notable failures included the (lack of) training of iraqi forces.
egregious @ 99
I totally don’t rant on it anymore. For me, it’s called “Anger Management” ;-)
angie @ 108
;)
mui @ 105
On all sides. I love how she just now commented what a “tragedy” it was after her trip to Iraq. Hil, what have you been up to these last few years?
Oh, that’s right, ignoring us.
Is Condi gay? I have no idea- but if she IS- then you’ve got a pretty interesting psychological study- a gay, black , female makes a career out of kissing the asses of those who are making a political killing out of oppressing the three minority groups that she is a member of!!
How would ya splain that one?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 91
And, of course, Dick Cheney always tells God’s own truth to the American public who are his constituents.
rwcole @ 123
These thoughts of your’s have crossed my mind. But then what to make of the Log Cabin Republicans? ;)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 98
Paranoid much?
Well DUH!
Somerby outed her girlfriend, Gwen Ifill of the News Hour quite some time ago.
rwcole @ 123
i have been wondering how long it would take for this to bubble to the country’s consciousness.
to hear some folks in the bay area tell it (and they have been saying this since 2001), condi’s sexual orientation is an open secret. (she is known there from her time at stanford and chevron.)
i don’t know if that’s true, and obviously, it shouldn’t matter. but when a Republican Party makes a habit of vilifying same-sex individuals to feed its appropriately designated) base, it’s fair game to point out the, um, inconsistencies.
Rissoto.
angie @
4
This was posted yesterday, I watched it and can recommend. Bill even raises his voice! Kinda like seeing Mr Rogers get mad. Moyers is a fine writer, but his oratory could use some coaching from some of his fire and brimstone Baptist preacher friends.
Part the first
The best half
rwcole @ 123
Self-hating black lesbian?
David looks as if you didn’t close yer box maker.
Strange, you know. Andrew Sullivan is against the surge, therefore he “agrees with us.” And yet I still think he’s as big a creep as ever. He said something like, (paraphrase) “we should let this war on terror become a war between sunnis and shias where they’re killing each other. ” Nice, huh? Pulling back troops, doesn’t mean wanting genocide to happen, Andrew.
EvilDrPuma @ 126
I should hasten to add that this remark was directed at the author of the article at the link, not at Oklahoma kiddo.
Trump on Condi:
“In all fairness, I see Condoleezza Rice – she goes on a plane, she gets off a plane, she waves, she goes there to meet some dictator. … They talk, she leaves, she waves, the plane takes off. Nothing happens, it’s a joke, nothing ever happens. I think she’s a very nice woman, but I don’t want a nice woman. I want someone that’s not necessarily nice.”
-GSD
GSD @ 135
There’s a difference between being nice and being a lightweight…not that I expect Teh Donald to make such a nuanced distinction.
mandrake @
120
you might surprise yourself and get over it.
meanwhile i will make no such promises, but i will pace myself, if i don’t want to blow a valve or somethin’ ……
More. Patient Less Than Zero is a health hazard to both mind and body.
rwcole @ 116
i’m hearing that lark singing… ;->
I’ve been wondering for years- What in the hell has Condi done? Six years of high profile positions and I can’t think of even ONE accomplishment—no wonder Clusterfuck promoted her!!
Lieberliar has just stated that the Iraqis attacked un on 9/11.
Somebody please deal with him.
rwcole @ 140
Well, she did fall apart on the job on 9/11. And it paid big dividends for Der Shrubbenfuhreradministration’s war plans.
rwcole @ 140
don’t they call that “failing up”?
not so sure a quick rise to provost is a compliment…. jus sayin’…
rwcole @
123
well, rw, people are, by and large, complicated. and this kind of thing isn’t unheard of. there were jews in hitler’s Wehrmacht.
Adie @ 143
At least it gets her out of the classroom.
rwcole @ 140
she bought shoes while new orleans was drowning.
that takes a special degree of indifference.
Hagel got pretty pissed off at Emporer Palpatine Lieberman for Lieby’s old “against the president/for terrorists” schtick.
My contempt for Lieberman has no bounds.
-GSD
It is fortunate that Lieberman is publicly and openly crawling around with GW’s dick in his mouth- everyone now knows that he’s a shill for the Clusterfuckers- and properly ignores him. He’d be MUCH more dangerous if he hid his Clusterfuck phallus addiction and represented a reasoned position. I ignore him- which is exactly what he deserves.
GSD @ 147
Palpatine was a lot more subtle.
Someone pointed out that Bush is at his Hitler in the bunker phase where he has purged the military of dissent and just has compliant lackeys in the lead.
-GSD
EvilDrPuma @ 136
my take is that he’s fine with lightweights, just so’s they’re not nice ….
you go, siun!
EvilDrPuma @ 145
that’s usually the idea… as I’ve heard it explained…
cleter @
50
To be clear, though, McCain’s eligibility argument does not rest on the fact he was born on a military base which constituted US territory. Instead, on the fact that his parents were both citizens, and therefore he was a citizen at birth (i.e. “natural born citizen”.)
However, I like the argument you present because it certainly sounds relevant :)
GSD @
135
I have a lot of contempt for Trump, but I couldn’t have said it better myself. Link? My own brief google search came up empty.
Clusterfuck has a bias against anyone who accomplishes anything- makes his sorry ass look even worse!!
Fortunately—GW’s administration is accomplishment free- none of em have dirtied their hands with success!
Trump takes a dump on Rice.
-GSD
EvilDrPuma @ 134
;)
rwcole @ 155
dontcha think he at least has the expectation there will always be someone to bail him out of whatever predicament he’s ensnared himself in? At that’s how I’ve read his [whole life!] history. Maybe it’s happened so consistently, be doesn’t even notice the quick saves, but he surely has counted on them…
maybe it’s o.k., just so’s they don’t call attn to theirownselves… that might be the big no-no…
According to the head GOPundit Bill KKKristol we Democrats are weak because going into Iran should be expected, especially if we suspect bomb manufacturing plants.
W H A T ???
We are weak because we recognize borders?
These NeoFascists MUST be stopped!
LIKE HITLER, BushCo is picking on and targeting and using a religious group of people as cover to establish global hegemony, selling it as an ideological struggle of the century.
GW’s “No Child Left Behind” bullshit is on the list of stupid failures- it has been successful in turning the resources of the entire educational system on a handful of marginal students who are capable of passing the stupid tests if ya work with em night and day- at the expense of the bright kids- who will pass no matter what you do- and the really slow or language challenged kids who couldn’t pass if their lives depended on it.
NICE GOING Clusterfuck!!
Q U E S T I O N:
If they (terrorists) will follow us here when we leave Iraq, who exactly is this they?
The Sunni?
The Shias?
Sader’s army?
It seems that most (95%) of al-CIAda is in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which BTW, does help fund al-CIAda.
Next on the list of notable failures is GW’s prescription drug plan that breaks the bank for medicare by giving a once in a lifetime welfare check to the drug industry..
Nice goin Clusterfuck!!
Prof Foland
The Canal Zone had essentially the same lease agreement that Guantanamo has. The Gitmo ruling was that Gitmo is not, in fact, US territory. That would arguably make John McCain not the kind of citizen who can be president. Natural born citizen is generally thought to mean “born in the USA.” That was broadly thought to include US territory, like military bases. But the Gitmo detainee rulings suggest that leased extra-territorial bases lke Gitmo and the CZ are some sort of gray area. If Gitmo detainees don’t have the Constitutional rights of prisoners in a prison in Florida, then children born in such places don’t have such rights either. John McCain is as eligible to be president as Castro. Or Noriega.
Of course, I am not a lawyer. But, the Gitmo rulings seemed to clarify the status of overseas military bases in a way that was previously unclear.
They will follow us home because out army always leaves a trail of bread crumbs.
dmg @
146
not fair: she also had theater tickets!
“I’m gonna fight em there so that we don’t have ta fight em HERE”
Now that form of argument isn’t necessarily stupid:
“I’m send my garbage over THERE so that I won’t have ta smell it HERE” is an acceptable piece of reasoning…
but
“I’m gonna breath a lot of air over THERE so that I won’t have ta breath it when I get back HERE” makes no sense at all.
Unfortunately- GW’s argument is of the latter variety- but then- what did ya expect?
“I’m gonna fart over there- so that I don’t have ta fart HERE” is also OK
Mitch McConnell–aka Mr. Elaine Chao–shilling for BushCo on Wolfie, says J-LIE, prominent Democrat and running mate of Al Gore, supports Bush
Wolfie–Late Edition–notes J-LIE is now independent, asks McConnell if ANY other Democrat supports GWClusterfuck.
There are some, says Mitch
…name names? Not so much.
More McConnell…the president believes….
Yeah, and so does Peter Pan.
‘Bad behavior’?
“House Minority Leader John Boehner, who had promised last May that ”bad behavior” by House Republicans who voted against their leadership would not be rewarded, announced to a party conference Wednesday that reform Rep. Jeff Flake of Arizona was being removed from the Judiciary Committee.
With the change in House control, several Republicans had to be removed from committees. However, Flake was about halfway up the Judiciary panel in seniority, and this was his priority appointment. The decision was made by the Republican Steering Committee, dominated by Appropriations members who resent Flake’s vigorous campaign against earmarks.”
“Boehner later told Flake he was purged because of his verbal attacks on party leaders.”
GSD @
157
…tell him to hang on while I send a copy of the PNAC papers for him to use.
Campaign contributors have been playin “Spin the Clusterfuck Wheel” OH LOOK- I won a 50 billion dollar contract in Iraq!!!!”
ccmask @
62
Remember the reporting that Hadley thought he might be indicted by Fitz? What, pray tell, did he think he might be indicted for? [Maybe that reporting was wrong…]
rwcole @ 168
ptptptptptptpt
I can only think of one other dem who might support this idiot and his favorite plaything (no not that) — Iraq. That would be Tom Lantos. I have heard him in the past make the same kind of statements liarJoe made, but haven’t heard him opine lately.
Anyone else there might be? If we have lost Ben Nelson of Nebraska, then there must be turbluence in the pipeline of support for bush.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 171
When, oh when, will the Flakes and Hagels, et al of the Rethuglican Party come to realize that they cannot reform the party from within. Like the Kansas moderates who became Democrats, they can only hope to honor the Constitution and American democracy by fencing off the NeoCon extremist Rethuglican party into the minority obscurity it has earned itself.
cleter @ 164
There were apparently early laws passed by the first Congresses defining “natural born” as anyone who had citizenship from birth (which a child of 2 US citizens would); not necessarily being born in the USA or territories. Here’s a FAQ from an immigration lawyer.
But without question the popular understanding of this phrase is that you have to be born in the US, and I’d love to come up with ways to cause McCain some headaches with his base, or say his with donors, who might feel the legal position injects some “risk” into their donations…
GSD–merci!
GSD @ 182
i think the ‘fight em dere so or fight em here’ theory is more of negative statement about the DHS, Border Patrol, CIA, FBI and our ability to keep the ‘homeland’ safe
Gooper support for Clusterfuck is now fairly limited and tends to come in a peculiar form:
“Well sure he’s fucked up the whole situation in Iraq- but we can’t afford ta lose over there”
I’d say that’s pretty faint praise!!
twolf1 @ 175
That farty, gassy sound you hear is the air dribbling out of the McCain 2008 balloons.
The Hanzel and Gretel theory of terrorists. They wouldn’t be able to find us without following the troops here….
Of course, they were able to “follow us here” on 9/11.
-GSD
Professor Foland @
154
the next sentence in the snippet was
” Who is Trump’s kind of woman? Senator Hillary Clinton, who he calls “very capable.”
link to attributed source
Prairie Sunshine @ 169
I didn’t know this–thanks!
“I’m gonna fight greed over there so that I don’t have ta fight it here” is another instance that doesn’t work very well.
Mitch McConnel and Elaine Chao — never have two dimwits deserved each other more. Sorry for the name calling, but my patience is gone, my temper is red hot, and my social graces have been put aside. We are in a fight for the America that once was.
new thread
solai @ 88
For me, Bill Kristol actually inspires a greater loathing/gag response than Lieberman which would push the needle past the loathe-omoter to the point of spinning wildly.
Trump’s right- Hillary IS very capable..
She’s bright and works her ass off. Goopers in the senate were amazed at how good she turned out to be..
I don’t like her previous position on Iraq- but she’s a very competent person.
GSD – I responded to your comment before you posted it so I didn’t have to afterwards
think progress has a video of bush saying he’s going to escalate no matter what congress does
palosi, you are derelict of duty if you allow this man trash the constitution of the United States of America.
we elected you to put an end to a president that believes he is above our law
time to go to work
BTW, what’s this thing Condi says about, you don’t “look at ” Plan B when Kerry asks “what if Iraq doesn’t get control of the security situation”? What the hell kinda “strategic” thinking is that? Hold onto Plan A for dear life, regardless of the loss of life, and not even contemplate an alternate scenario??
perris @ 191
Oh, they’re doing something about it alright. They’re going pass a “symbolic” resolution. That’ll really show ‘im. Quaking in his boots, I’m sure.
twolf1 @ 190
were all resolutions to monitor exhausted?
note* that’s a comment presuming the quoted remark was pre-emptive snark doctrine
There’s a lot more power in the “symbolic resolution” than one might think….in effect- it’s a public repudiation of the president of the United States by the congress elected by the people—it’s devastating…It’s as close to a public castration as yer gonna see- and in wartime.
Some are actually afraid that such a resolution may leave america in peril during Clusterfuck’s last two years- as we communicate to the whole world that the president’s a castrati.
oh noooooo – epu’d again. Because my internet has been screwed up all a.m.
So many things to respond to! So many links to follow!
Well, if anyone’s still here – I lost a profound and superbly written post on the ramifications of St. John McC’s foreign birth.. ;-)
Shorter version – I recall much discussion in the mid’50’s of children of my parents’ friends who were born on mil. bases in Germany – “how sad that they would not be able to grow up to be president,”, and how much more fortunate was I (even tho’ a mere girl) was born in the USofA and therefore at least theoretically could.
I want to do more work on this. Could be useful.
Thanks Prof Foland!
Prof Foland @ 178–
I see you already found more than I have on the subject of interpretation. I am, or used to be a lawyer, did immigration too, but not enough to argue with that. That 1790 law may be the last word. Drat.
Still, if it becomes necessary, we could file such a lawsuit and make him spend money, time, and emotion fighting it (and watch him go ballistic as his citizenship is questioned on camera).
Sigh. I hate my computer.
(no, no, I love my computer. There, there, sweetie, don’t listen when I’m frustrated–I neeeed you)
rumi @ 194
we are all working towards peeance freeance commenting. It’s snarktarian violence I tell you!
Let me ask an EPU style question, for theoretical type discussion.
What credible devastating nuke threat exists realistically that doesn’t result in self destruction?
twolf1 @ 198
Looks like a new form of ethic cleansing to me, but I’m biased.
rumi @ 199
Don’t worry, we have an elaborate system of mirrors and lasers and spaceships that will shoot any incoming nookulur weapons.
Cheney: Credit checks aren’t illegal
As I read this too fast, I thought you said symbiotic resolution and I was ‘yup…nodding’.
Can someone explain to me the latest canard that the neocons are spouting? The one about how you can’t really predict how any of the various plans for Iraq will turn out.
Yes, you can. I can predict with reasonable certainty that, if the US pulls all of its people out of Iraq, then there will be fewer US deaths there. Do we really need a professional logician to explain this?
Professor Foland @
178
Please look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney
rumi @ 199
is this multiple choice?
as a biologist with only a MSci, I say ZERO!
c’mon hotshots, prove me wrong…
Adie @
206
…*crickets chirping*…
…whistling on a walkthrough…
..*crunch*…oops
cleter @ 164
That is rich!
tejanarusa @
197
The Gitmo rulings contradict the 1790 law. Gitmo sez Constitutional benefits only apply w/in the geographical bounds of the US, and places like Gitmo are not within those bounds. That would imply the Constitutional benefits of citizenship do not apply to foreign-born dirty immigrants like Cesar Chavez or John McCain. Without realizing it, the court ruled the 1790 law unconstitutional.
When McCain applies for federal matching funds, we sue him and argue he is only a quasi-citizen, per the Guantanamo decision.
I was born in honolulu when it was but a territory, of two American citizens. I have always been an American citizen and have never had it questioned.
rumi @ 208
well, aren’t you the lucky one.
it’s what’s for dinner… share?
or was that the thread you just killed ;->
Adie @ 212
It’s a Feast!
welcome to the table and bring the other hungries with you.
I usually come with a ‘Do Not Revive’ order on my comments.
cricket – the other OTHER white meat
…more here
Doesn’t the US have a lease with the land in Cuba? Then that would make them tenants and McCain an undocumented worker.
Ed*ard Teller @ 106
I too have read the book. Jimmy Carter’s case, if applied to any other nation on Earth, would never be considered controversial. That’s how I would measure the lack of qualitative argument of his detractors. He has been nitpicked by various pro-Israeli reviewers (and Dennis Ross) who have used the time-worn quibble of historical errors. The HISTORY has been so distorted (and for the Palestinians destroyed) that it is has become total revisionism.
The attempt to shoot the messenger is measured -it is being done through a thousand cuts mostly based in areas which cannot be rebutted on fact but rather on inuendo.
Nevertheless, the thrust of Jimmy Carter’s argument remains in tact and really, for the most part totally unchallenged. In fact, there is much more to support Carter’s case of apartheid than not.
Agreed, Art.
Mommybrain @
211
Nobody’s questioning whether you’re a citizen–it’s whether you could be president. As I said upfront, I think both you and McClain wouldn’t have any trouble getting the court to rule in your favor. I’m just trying to be a troublemaker wrt his base. But maybe I’m wrong–I don’t understand cleter’s argument about Gitmo and the 1790 law, but that’s not surprising as IANAL.
twolf1 @ 214
Many folks fail tp appreciate how tricky those are to filet.
The diversity of FDL is again illustrated in the last few comments here. Excellent insight into the misrepresentations of Carter.
rumi @
218
I thought it was funny that they are Tommy Yum flavor.
The Party’s Over Dick
There’s a political solution to our military problem.
Dick Cheney must go.
The investigations are about to begin. Libby’s gonna get Fitz’d. The congressional subpoenas will be issued. The weariness over constitutional erosion is palpable.
So in advance of the predictable claims of executive privilege, I believe the call for his resignation must begin to rise. Political will for the necessary must begin to be accumulated.
It may seems a bit premature to some, but I expect it will resonate broadly as events unfold. There is no unitary executive. Not in this country. Sorry about yer luck Dick.
“The object is a larger one, and the original overarching goal of this administration: expanding executive power, for its own sake”.
http://www.slate.com/id/2157493/
Since I expect no reader here to disagree with the above quote, then let’s ask ourselves why we feel obliged to put up with this any longer.
Congress is suffering fom a type of learned helplessness. Public outcry from most quarters must create intestinal fortitude.
http://www.democrats.com/Congr…..e-Syndrome
As I have said before, time is exceedingly of the essence. Do we really want Dick driving the bus at the next geopolitical crossroad?
The framers put the impeachment clauses in the constitution for scenarios like this. Exercising our rights is an imperative. No signing statement on this one.
Once this is all over, we will look back and wish Dick had spared us the inevitable vitriol. Men in multi-thousand dollar suits will try and tell America that this is complicated. It’s not. He’s a bad man. He’s an enemy of the republic. He should’ve been cuffed years ago.
Join the call for his resignation today.
Oklahoma kiddo @
125
Uriah Heep
rwcole @
168
How about, “I’m gonna die over there so I don’t have to die over here.”?
Oklahoma kiddo @
171
Would Rep Flake be looking for a new party?
(mod note – looks like double post?)
Joseph Lieberman (D/I-CT [yes, that’s how MTP mis-identifies him on their website]
they may just be confused about whether he is DUI or DWI
rumi @
203
Where there’s a wll, there’s a way. We keep showin our Congresscritters the will, they’ll find the way.