(It's still Sunday morning out here on the left coast, and so I'm still at work. But I'll be thinking about MLK, Buck O'Neil, and all of you, too. — Peterr)
That's the Presidential Medal of Freedom. It was first awarded by Harry Truman, to honor those who had made special contributions to the nation during World War II. Since then, it has grown to be awarded to people who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors." Sure, there have been some klinkers who have recieved it, but we can't let that diminish the real and lasting contributions of the others.
On July 4, 1977, President Jimmy Carter gave this award posthumously to Martin Luther King, Jr., with the following citation:
Martin Luther King, Jr., was the conscience of his generation. A southerner, a black man, he gazed on the great wall of segregation and saw that the power of love could bring it down.
From the pain and exhaustion of his fight to free all people from the bondage of separation and injustice, he wrung his eloquent statement of his dream of what America could be.
He helped us overcome our ignorance of one another. He spoke out against a war he felt was unjust, as he had spoken out against laws that were unfair.
He made our nation stronger because he made it better. Honored by kings, he continued to his last days to strive for a world where the poorest and humblest among us could enjoy the fulfillment of the promises of our founding fathers.
His life informed us, his dreams sustain us yet.
(Citation from the dedication page of A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr., James M. Washington, editor)
It's easy to forget that during all his leadership years in the civil rights movement, King was basically a young man. He was in his mid-twenties when he led the Montgomery bus boycott, twenty-eight years old at the founding of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, thirty-two when the FBI began to tap his phones, thirty-four when he spoke of his dream from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in 1963, thirty-five when he became the youngest recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, and just thirty-nine when he was killed, the day after giving a speech in Memphis in support of striking garbage workers and against various corporations who stood in the way of economic and social progress.
On December 12, 2006, another southerner, another black man, was given the same award posthumously: John "Buck" O'Neil. He was a great Negro Leagues baseball player and manager, the first African-American coach in major league baseball (with the Chicago Cubs), a scout without peer who raised up new players, a tireless proponent of the story of the players and power of the various Negro baseball leagues, a elf to Kansas City's "Secret Santa," and a true gentleman of the first order. (Click through that link under his name to get a taste of all these things.) In Kansas City he'd been quietly famous for years; with his appearance in the documentary film "Baseball," Ken Burns made him famous to the rest of the nation.
Last summer, at the age of 94, O'Neil spoke at the induction of seventeen Negro leagues figures into the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY. Many were outraged that Buck was not on the list of those to be inducted (like Keith Olbermann and yours truly), but not Buck. In his remarks that day, in addition to talking about the Negro League inductees, Buck also spoke about brother Martin, and said volumes about himself as well:
And I tell you what, they always said to me Buck, I know you hate people for what they did to you or what they did to your folks. I said no, man, I never learned to hate. I hate cancer. Cancer killed my mother. My wife died 10 years ago of cancer – I'm single, ladies. I hate AIDS. A good friend of mine died of AIDS three months ago. I hate AIDS. But I can't hate a human being because my God never made anything ugly. Now, you can be ugly if you want to, boy, but God didn't make you that way.
So I want you to light this valley up this afternoon. Martin [Luther King] said "Agape" is understanding, creative – a redemptive good will toward all men. Agape is an overflowing love which seeks nothing in return. And when you reach love on this level, you love all men, not because you like them, not because their ways appeal to you, but you love them because God loved them, and I love Jehovah my God with all my heart, with all my soul and I love every one of you as I love myself.
There is nothing you can say about Buck O'Neil that one second in his presence won't prove a hundred times over. It is impossible to resist the positive force that lights him from within and then spreads out and lights and warms you, too. No one is immune to him; only the inattentive miss what is special about him.One time, early in the interviewing process for Baseball, we brought Buck up to lily-white Walpole, New Hampshire — lily-white in every sense, from the population to the snow-covered Currier & Ives setting — where we filmed some more interviews and he got to meet some of our editing staff. We all went out to lunch at a little pizza place; it was the first time the staff, who'd seen him on film, had spent any time with him in person. (I always envy people who are meeting Buck for the first time; whether they meet him in a bar or are sitting next to him on a plane, they may not know who this elegant older gentleman is at first, but by the end of their passage they're converts.) A woman who's been with me from the beginning of my work, Susanna, went up to Buck at the start of the lunch and said to him, very formally, "Mr. O'Neil, it's a pleasure to meet you," shook his hand and went back to where she was sitting. So we all had our pizza, and we talked, and then at the end of the meal Susanna went over to Buck again, stuck out her hand, and said, "Mr. O'Neil, it's truly been a pleasure." Well, Buck didn't move, just looked at her, and there was a mortifying pause as her hand stood there in midair, with Buck making no move to take it in his. And then, slowly, gracefully, he stood up, smiled, and opened his arms to her and said "Give it up." And she just flew into his arms. "Give it up."–that's Buck's way. "Give me a hug," yes, but also don't be so formal, don't hide behind polite conventions, don't be afraid to show someone some love. Show what's in your heart, always; don't keep it inside. Give it up.
I was going home, and [Buck] was going to Cooperstown for the long-awaited induction of his late friend Leon Day into the Baseball Hall of Fame. As we were parting at O'Hare Airport, he turned to me and said, "You know, I've been talking to people and saying these same things for sixty years now, but now people are hearing me." There are no words, no prize, no tribute to anything I will ever do, no birthday present, that could mean more to me than that simple sentence from this remarkable man. And there was only one thing I could do: I had to give it up.
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god bless you peterr
i just finished helping my son find an article about MLK to share with his class on Tuesday.
OT: I also just finished listening to MTP and was wondering if Marshall Wittman is currently writing Joe Lieberman’s material for him? Because I’m left wondering – who is he trying to appeal to? who is his constituency? there can’t be 100 people left in America who are buying his stale product. I don’t get it.
I adore baseball. And baseball’s heroes of yesteryear. Sadly, there aren’t many baseball heroes today. More sadly, where are baseball’s roll models for our kids now?
I have to wonder what Martin King would make of George Bush.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
I wish he was here to tell us. It’s not hard to suppose, however, that he would not be a fan.
I just posted this downstairs and don’t want it to get epu’d
think progress has a video of bush saying he’s going to escalate no matter what congress does
Nancy Palosi, you are derelict of duty if you allow this man trash the constitution of the United States of America.
we elected you to put an end to a president that believes he is above our law
time to go to work
Buck O’Neil stands TALL.
Peterr – what a great post! Thank you for preaching to us this morning … I envy your congregation!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
Personally, If MLK jr were not shot, he would have been elected in 2000 and saw us through the trying times of 9/11. Would MLK jr lied us into a war?
I know… silly question.
The correct one would be… would we have had a 9/11?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 3
Obviously that shound read ‘role’, not ‘roll’. My terrible.
Lord forgive this Clusterfuck as he knows not what he does!
And here I thought from the title that you were asking the cretins that 43 gave that same medal to to give them up. They aren’t fit to shine the shoes of either of these men.
MLK Day is always the best of the year. Re-listening to his speeches or hearing one of his speeches for the first time is always the same–stunning, emotional and inspirational.
I always wonder what the world would have been like today if the world had had a long lifetime of his words.
Just listening to the last speech again, the prescience of it is amazing; that it was spontaneous, incredible.
What a man!! And Buck too. All love.
Oh, Russ looks soooo tired, with those dark circles under his eyes. But he looks beautiful to me when he’s frying Condi.
Getcher Feingold’s Fried Rice right here!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
mincemeat
I think if one were locked in a room for 24 hours and forced to listen to nothing but Condi spin, one would go insane on a cataclysmic scale.
IT WAS SAID
Congress,
There is no challenge greater to a Nation than that which requires one to become the truest patriot; Fight to defend, protect, and preserve the Constitution of the United States of America from enemies, not just from abroad but especially so from those within. This is where that challenge does lay.
As we approach MLK day, let us not forget those challenges of the past that we, as Americans, have risen up to face. Like shadows of our former selves, they will always be following us, clinging to our every move. Let us not stop that progress and allow those shadows to overtake us but instead keep moving into the light.
We, as a Nation, are facing once again a great challenge. A test of our moral resolve. Let us accept this test. Let us rise to this occasion. Let us show the people of the world that what it means to be an American is to bravely face the forces that have corrupted Her image.
The ills of this Administration have blighted the meanings of Freedom, Liberty, and Justice through the systematic removal of the core components from which bore this Nation a great Document; The Constitution of the United States of America. It is not enough to place band-aids upon Her wounds and call it a day.
NO! Ineptitude and hesitance is not a defense for one’s malpractice as the patient dies upon the table. Great surgeons can not heal the dead!
What ills this Nation is not only an Administration that believes it is above the conventions of the law but also a Congress, a coequal branch of the Government, that has fallen into the belief that they are subordinate to will of this Administration.
YES! This Nation has suffered a great tragedy and it pales to 9/11 for that was a foreshadowing of what we have become today. The former right to peaceably assemble versus the meaning of “No Protest Zones” – The former principle of innocent until proven guilty versus “Suspected as…until proven otherwise” – The former right that one was safe and secure in one’s home and property from undue search and seizure versus “Disregard of FISA” – The former right to have and hold council and be afforded the ability to review the evidence that is to be used against you versus “Suspension of Habeas Corpus“.
This list grows long and the grievances grow many and the brave grow fewer.
We must ask ourselves; Is this what it means to be an American? To live in a country where one is afraid to stand up for principles that were granted to us as Americans by our forefathers; The Founders of these Fifty United States of America. To shrink away from an ever growing tyrant that manipulates the masses with tactics that elicit fear and coercion? To kowtow
to the derision flaunted about by a cabal that expresses such hubris that all others fail in comparison in their eyes?
The pride of America is found in the principle of doing the right thing especially in the face of adversity. Nobel causes rise with Just reasons. Let not(!) those causes that have lacked to rise to the measure of true Justice stand in the way of those that must rise to clear a path for Truth and Justice. There is no more noble a reason now, more than ever, to be that patriot and begin down that path of Truth and Justice and begin doing what is right.
Escalation of
Investigations
Truth out NOW!
Peace
One of the things that is lost on the importance of the integration of America’s sport Baseball is that it also opened the door to women and other minorities to the world of sports and eventually mainstream business and entertainment.
Anyone freezing in the midwest, it is not any better here in AZ, current temp is 35 degrees with a low last night of 27. Thankfully my plumbing did not freeze. Coldest weather in 16 yrs. Flagstaff is zero with 1 ft snow.
It’s currently 37 degrees in sunny San Diego…not what we signed on for here!
Juxtaposition.
Condi testimony rerun on CSpan
Ground Hog Day on TBS.
In one of these programs someone is learning a lesson.
RevDeb @ 20
which is which?
Go to Al Rogers post on Kos and look for the Condi pics, what a hoot….
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/14/0749/69295
Watching to see if I can catch it on CSPAN.
mandrake @
14
Any chance of gettin’ that Rice to go?
:-)
rock on, Russ.
Beautiful.
And thank you for the topic you chose, and the exemplar.
I am not so fond of MLK Day, only because it is invariably covered by the MSM with clips of/references to the “Dream”speech. That’s why so many young black kids seem to think he was a wimp – that’s all they know.
What turned me over from a teen-age aspiring Repub was 2 weeks at church leadership school at age 15 – the main topic of study was the “Letter from the Birmingham Jail.”
THAT was Dr. King at his essence. And it tore the scales right off my white middle-class, raised-in-Virginia-and-Indiana, Gone-with-the-Wind-loving romantic eyes.
The year was 1965.
The “Speech” was wonderful, and that day was a turning point, but it was one small part of Dr. King’s body of work.
Thanks Peterr, for not taking the usual path.
“Jan. 22, 2007 issue – Last Tuesday afternoon, a day before President George W. Bush went on TV to explain his decision to send more troops to Iraq, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called his Republican colleagues together for a private talk. Several GOP senators had already come out against the plan. McConnell, Bush’s closest Senate supporter on Iraq, hoped to keep others from defecting. He urged his colleagues to stand together at least until Bush had the chance to speak to the country. After the meeting, the senators went outside the room to display their unity to waiting reporters. McConnell said he thought more troops were just the thing to “give us a chance to succeed.” He then stepped aside so the other senators could second his sentiments. No one came forward. McConnell’s eye fell on Trent Lott. “Trent?” McConnell said, motioning him toward the microphone. “I don’t think I have anything to add,” said Lott.”
Newsweek
rwcole @ 19
My daughter, the Princess, lives in La Jolla and complains when it drops below 70. 37 deg? That’s a heat wave. We’re in our third day of ice storms here. ;)
katymine @ 18
Good morning, I wanted to mention, in case you missed it, after you left late nite an AZ pup offered to help you with delegate efforts.
Condoleezza Rice on her trip to the Middle East
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01…..ref=slogin
So what she is going with is nada and that’s what she will return with. You really have to wonder why this Administration continues to go through these empty motions. Everyone knows they’re empty. Rice even announces it in advance.
Rice is not a diplomat which is just as well from the Bush Administration point of view. They don’t do diplomacy. She is a space filler. Cheney probably would have liked to put a cardboard cut out in the office and called that the Secretary of State. He didn’t but Condi is the next best thing.
I’m not sure how to make this relevant to this post, but I’ll try. Last night my wife and I watched a documentary called Flight from Death: the Quest for Immortality. I highly recommend it!
It dealt with the “death denial” and how it unconsciously directs our actions and behaviors. This band of geeky/cool pyschologists put together these experiments that subliminally put in the heads of the subjects the idea of their own death and then used creative follow-up to see how that affected their behavior towards people who were culturally similar and those who were “Other.”
The studies were going on pre-9/11, but the documentary was done recently so they had the last 5 years to analyze the group behavior of the U.S., as well as the highly relevant sowing of fear (read: death) by the Rovian propagandists.
Maybe this film has been talked about here (as I’m certainly not enough to know) but I would venture a lot of you would dig it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 26
What part of the Sooner state are you in? Believe it or not, I spent 3 years in western Oklahoma, Clinton and Weatherford. Cooooold!
Worst driving-in-snow experience in my entire life was a trip to meet my boss in Woodward, driving straight north into a blizzard blowing straight south, with wipers freezing to the windshield.
Battery was dead when I came out of the meeting. Horrible, horrible. (I do have some fond memories of OK, but winter weather…at least in Boston you could take the streetcar!)
rat bastahd:
documentary called Flight from Death: the Quest for Immortality.
Is there a website/link?
tejanarusa @ 24
I read portions of that today for my reading before the sermon about King the minister who quoted Emerson, Margaret Mead, Harrison Salisbury, William Pitt, Lord Acton, Shakespeare, Herbert Spencer, and G.K. Chesterton, among others.
He learned his activism from Tilich and Niebuhr and the Social Gospel of Rauschenbusch. And Neibuhr was the one who turned him on to Gandhi.
These parts of his life and story are rarely talked about.
tejanarusa @ 30
Southwestern Oklahoma. Close to the Red River. Thirty miles north of the Texas border. ;)
rwcole @ 25
Besides Lott, who else was there?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 26
OK… it is all relative….. When our normal temps are in the 90’s in Phoenix…. and it drops 55 degrees…. it is damn cold to us wimps. When I moved here leaving an ice storm in Portland, it was in the 60 here, everyone was wearing coats and sweaters… me… I was turning on the AC because it was HOT. Now, I am that wimp with the coat and sweaters…..
Eureka Springs, AR @27
Thanks, I will check it out… YEA…. 500 phone calls in a week is sooo much fun, want to share the joy!
Here’s hoping future generations will judge us by men like Dr. King, and not overgrown toddlers like Bush.
I’d like to point out that central to Dr. King’s strategy was an enduring belief in the fairness of all Americans. If they only knew how African-Americans were treated in the South, they would demand it be stopped. He was right, then.
I’ve kept that in mind for the last six years. It was inevitable that sooner or later the American people would figure out what was going on, and demand that it be stopped. I was hoping that would happen in 2004. I was off by two years. (That is, I hope when all is said and done it will turn out that I was only off by two years.)
So here’s to the spirit, the vision, the courage, the genius, the love, and the faith of Dr. King. May this country yet prove itself worthy of his trust in it.
(If you haven’t already read it, I highly recommend Parting the Waters by Taylor Branch.)
We could each be Dr. King
TV whitewashes King’s legacy; work is not over
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., nonviolent martyr to reconciliation and justice, has become a Hallmark Card, a warm, fuzzy, feel-good invocation of neighborliness, a file photo for sneakers or soda commercials, a reprieve for post-holiday shoppers, an excuse for a three-day weekend, a cardboard cutout used for photo ops by dissembling Cabinet members and ungrateful Supreme Court justices. Be sure to check out the Three-Day-Only White Sale at WalMart. Always a better price. Always.
Dr. King deserves better. We all do.
http://www.workingforchange.co…..emID=21871
Flight from Death: the Quest for Immortality
RevDeb @ 32
Thanks, RevDeb! Of course, a minister wise enough to be a Firepup would know and preach about more than the standard boilerplate.
(and yes, I wince a bit to call the Dream speech boilerplate, but still, as RevDeb shows, there is SO much more!)
twolf1 beat me to it. This too, as it’s based on the book and work of Ernest Becker.
Dear, dear Peterr. I hope I can watch you work one day. You’ve moved me with your stories and touched me deeply with your humanity and you make me want to give it up. Namaste.
Tejanrusa OT but please help me with my SAD symptoms in rural MI. Cold, gray, and gloomy with the chance of just enough snow tonight to make tomorrow’s pre-dawn commute to metro-Detoit a blood curdling terror-trip. What’s today’s weather in Boerne? (Apologies to all for the OT.)
Also in the NYT coming hard on the heels of the admission a week or so ago that Bush felt he could open our mail, a day after he came out that the Pentagon was rooting through our bank records, comes the news that the Army made an interesting change in its most recent manual.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01…..FSWqGt5yUw
The Bush response? Nothing to see here move along, and we aren’t doing it anyway, and trust us. You can trust us, right? Or do you have something to hide?
That last question is increasingly moot. The truth is this Administration is determined to make sure we have nothing we can hide whether we want to or not.
Get yourself a UV-light retirin’ in five! Pronto. My bipolar mom uses one and it helps. Moving out of MI helped me :)
“Besides Lott, who else was there?”
Boehner was there. I saw a tape of the interview outside of the WH on c-span last week. I recall Boehner stepped forward to say a bit after McConnell finished. I recall letting some loud profanity fly listening to his bs: “when we left Vietnam, they didn’t follow us home. If we leave Iraq, they will follow us home.” At least he got the comparison to Vietnam right.
Ed–The story suggests that all gooper senators were there- but it isn’t explicit on the point..
Oklahoma kiddo @ 37
Powerful. This says what I was trying to say above so much better (and with such terrific snark quotient in the quoted part.
Be sure to link this.
I’m emailing it. (sadly, my REthug relatives do not have email – mostly elderlyh technophobes)
“…we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty river”
rat bastahd @ 44
OT all, sorry. Thanks Rat. Worth a try as the SAD seems to intensify with aging. By the way, where in MI did you make the exodus from?
Smithfield Shames Dr. King
http://www.thenation.com/blogs…..pid=157165
west side, Grand Haven area. Went to college in Kalamazoo.
retirin’ in five @ 42
Retirin–
umm, you won’t want to hear this…we have received the tail end of the “big winter ice storm” everyone else has already gotten. It came in yesterday—now all you cold climate folks won’t sympathize, but instead of the predicted 76 (unseasonably warm, even here), by noon it had dropped to mid-50’s (yeah, I know, Wis, Minn, Mass, Okla) and 40’s overnight–damp, with cold rain. It’s raining now, I’m afraid. Won’t freeze today, but supposedly temps will hit 28 deg tonight.
OTOH – our weather people every winter get all excited and talk about “possible snow” whenever temps are predicted below freezing. Often enough, it never does break freezing. (negative: fleas on your pets never die, must be killed all year).
Fri. was the 22nd anniversary of the last real snow here – 13 inches.
I was new in town at the time, living in an apt. bldg on top of ahill. It was quite entertaining watching people try to dig out with cookie trays and pizza pans – wearing nothing warmer than sneakers and sweatshirts.
(Having just arrived from cold climes, I had boots, down jacket, gloves, etc. But I had given away my foldable snow shovel)
Sorry for the long OT folks.
And retirin” – the good part is – it never lasts more than a few days. The sun will soon return. Chin up!
Words of Bill Moyers at The National Conference on Media Reform yesterday:
used them as the closing words of the service this morning.
Hugh@43
My grave concerns about this gathering of info on my mail, banking, internet, phone, without real FISA authorization is that this administration has farmed out EVERYTHING to private contractors. Who are they, Who is doing oversight, WHO regulates them? As a victim of identity three times last year (used my ATM in Florida with pin, Providence Home Health lost their archive data & VA info on that laptop).
This is my grave concern. Who has access to my bank and credit card numbers. Who will guarantee that some down and out Joe isn’t going to be tempted to dip occasionally?
Example:
Someone had access to credit-debit card info at a chain of gas stations, they arranged to have some weird odd amount removed from thousands of accounts on a regular basis, 13 cents. It was odd, too low to be investigated but eventually it was a bank employee who discovered the withdrawals from their account. The accumulated amount was in the millions.
Rat at 51
Go Broncos! (I think.) Yeah, you’ve suffered my winter’s.
Hugh, At least once a day another fascist move by Bushco is discovered. This perhaps among the most disturbing. It’s a clear and present danger to know the military is prepared to act against it’s own citizens. I feel like
a deer in the headlightsa deer in the crosshairs.@#!@I%!!
Didn’t go to Western, went to K College, but I get that all the time :)
Believe it or not, the best thing for my own SAD symptoms is getting out into the great (chilly) outdoors, and that’s where I’m heading now. Have a good day.
Thanks Rat and Tejana. (Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.)
From Hugh’s comment:
Example:
Someone had access to credit-debit card info at a chain of gas stations, they arranged to have some weird odd amount removed from thousands of accounts on a regular basis, 13 cents. It was odd, too low to be investigated but eventually it was a bank employee who discovered the withdrawals from their account. The accumulated amount was in the millions.
In the mid 70’s in Virginia, I read this story in the local paper.
A consortium of banks had hired a programmer to write a check-sorting program that would allot each bank its proper amount at their joint check-sorting facility.
They explained to how it all worked and he wrote them a perfect program that did all they had asked – and more!
After three months, they discovered that he had front-loaded their program with a little bit that extracted the fractions of cents from transactions, interest earned, etc. and deposited them in his own, off-shore account. These fractions are the banks’ profit.
Thirteen million and the programmer, poof!
Eureka Springs @ 56..and we really know only a small fraction of what has been done. The fascists and christianists have been infiltrated into all levels of the government. The enablers and fascist lawyers are busy at work changing our government. The military spying is the result of removing one paragraph from a manual. They are like termites eating at the foundations of our country.
If we ever re-take the government; the de-nazification process will take decades.
twolf1 @ 38
They have several others coming that look really interesting too.
It appears they’re hiring now.
This is a PART TIME Unpaid Internship
looks like fun though.
Hi Mommybrain…. our trip back to AZ was pretty ruff with both of us fighting some bug, we just aimed to get home asap and recover.
The gas station scam was on some radio station in the high desert near Mojove CA. This was local and current.
“As Republican divisions grow, Democrats, pressed by their antiwar grass roots, are drawing together. Except for “Independent Democrat” Sen. Joe Lieberman, Dems are increasingly of one mind about Iraq in particular and antiterrorism strategy in general. A vote on surge spending—which Democratic Senate leaders had hoped to avoid and which is technically difficult to devise—now is likely at some point. In general, the party seems less fearful of the old “soft on defense” shibboleth, and ever more tolerant of groups such as Win Without War and Move On. One of the Senate’s few other hawkish Democrats, Sen. Evan Bayh, told me that he opposes the surge, and agreed that Congress might have to face the question of funding at some point. The Senate’s growing ranks of Democratic presidential contenders—Chris Dodd jumped in last week, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are expected to do so soon—are gravitating toward a bring-them-home-quickly stance. “We don’t want to come off looking like wimps,” said Terry McAuliffe, a Clinton supporter and former party chairman. But he added: “We’re jumping all over ourselves now to see who can be the toughest on Bush and the war.” It’s a fateful competition—which Ted Kennedy already won.”
Isn’t a move by anyone in the executive branch or the military to act against it’s own citizens an act of treason? (we are not talking about a riot or a bunch of looters here)
Thanks Steve, I really don’t like using the word fascist but at this point I don’t see any other that fits.
God is not supposed to help us here, we have to do it!
Wonder what pearly drops of wisdom Senator Clinton has for us, after returning from wherever she’s been?
Steve @ 60
Yep.. and the next president needs to begin a rigorous and ruthless cleanup of the entire Federal bureaucracy, to root out shrub’s millenialist sleepers and ideologues… instead of agreeing to let them stay in some type of suicidal act of reconciliation… the Pentagon (where people like the insane Boykin still have their commands), the Justice Dept (which has been intentionally hiring incompetent people/academic failures by some reports), etc etc.
Maybe we can persuade some of these millenialists to go to China.. its evident their services are needed there (by their own standards)– reuters: “BEIJING, Jan 11 (Reuters Life!) – More than half of China’s high school students… average age of students losing their virginity was 15… 1.5 million abortions in mainland China every year, and teenage pregnancies were on the rise, the newspaper said.” hehe
sorry.. got cut off there.. the first sentence of the reuters article cited in my post above should read “BEIJING, Jan 11 (Reuters Life!) – More than half of China’s high school students find nothing wrong with one-night stands”
Eureka Springs, AR @ 64
I don’t care if it “makes sense” or is viewed by some as a “waste of time” because “more important things” need to be done ASAP.
WHAT could be more important?!
IMPEACH!
Mommybrain @ 59
Thanks, Mommybrain, for yet another reminder that using computer voting with propietary code (or at all), is just FREAKIN’ inSANE!!!
Sorry about the shouting. And I know I’m whining to the choir here.
I watched a PBS piece on rural China last week – watched villagers walk past a box with a slot and slide in their folded ballot.
Occurs to me this method has worked for hundreds – no thousands? of years (Greeks used pebbles???) and we just need to give up this techno fantasy and go back to it. Who cares if we know the result next morning? Only the MSM. For no good reason whatsoever.
(they [MSM] are why my polls open at 7 am and close at 7 pm. My work hours are 7:30 am to 6:30 pm, 25 mi of clogged highway away from my poll. Law requires employer to give 2 hrs off to vote. Dare you ask for it? It’s like paternity leave – the pressure is notto. After all, you can use early voting; why would you NEED to vote ON election day?)
Ok, I’m ranting.
AP – President Bush, facing opposition from both parties over his plan to send more troops to Iraq, said he has the authority to act no matter what Congress wants.
Democracy. Ain’t it swell.
Dear Peterr.
apologies for the interruptions.
Thankyou for your beautiful, inspiring post.
Your congregations are very fortunate. ;->
Only if shrub hasn’t found a way to circumvent it…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 70
Oklahoma kiddo @ 70
I believe it’s up to us to make it so.
…’ere, join hands….
Blub @ 66
Umm, small head start on this. Unless Boykin can find some protector, he may be out of the Pentagon.
Oklahoma kiddo @
70
Unless, ultimately, the Supreme Court slaps him down, he’ll simply continue to do as he pleases.
_
OK @ 70
#73
Rinse
Repeat
http://www.djpauledge.com/wewillnotbesilenced/
Awesome news, assuming shrub doesn’t find a way to protect him.
montag @ 74
What concerns me is, how the heck did we produce all these quasi-fascist authoritarian millenialist idealogues… millions of them who sincerely believe that too much democracy is a bad thing (and I’ve heard this from many many people, young and old, recently)? What kind of titanic failure of the educational system are we talking about here? I mean, where did they all come from? I remember having American civic values drummed into me from kindergarten onwards. Do schools not teach this stuff anymore? Do parents actively try to counteract what the schools are teaching.. I can’t really picture this (”don’t listen your teachers Johnny, they’re satanists…”)? Or are all these people being homeschooled? If so, what can we do about homeschooling?
Adie @ 73
;) ;)
Peterr, Thank you for the post. Personally it means a lot to me. As a young kid, growing up in 60’s in AZ, wanting to pay little league but knowing I couldn’t because I was a girl. Even the boy classmates wanted me to play because I was a killer batter.
Sports became the gateway for minorities entrance into mainstream society. First it was blacks in sports, women leagues, desegregation of schools and American society. As the mother of two non-white kids, this topic is dear to me. They are Korean which does not have the stigma of other races but my fear is the current branding of the races in the GOP and their media whores. The first targets were blacks, then recently it moved to Hispanics, then Muslims and since N. Korea is part of the axis of evil, will that profiling, hatred and discrimination be intensified against our Korean-American citizens?
What MLK and Buck O’Neil did for all of us opening the doors is a wonderful legacy.
Oklahoma kiddo @
37
he wasn’t murdered for being a wimp. too bad we don’t know who was really behind it.
oh boy:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…../us_iraq_3
“This is an existential conflict,” Cheney said. “It is the kind of conflict that’s going to drive our policy and our government for the next 20 or 30 or 40 years. We have to prevail and we have to have the stomach for the fight long term.”
“I fully understand they could try to stop me from doing it. But I’ve made my decision. And we’re going forward,” Bush told CBS’ “60 Minutes” in an interview to air Sunday night.
President George W. Bush awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to L. Paul Bremer III, Tommy R. Franks, and George J. Tenet in a ceremony at the White House on December 14, 2004.
Trifecta.
Webb up on C-SPAN replay…
Blurb @ 66..One small example. Just before leaving office, Clinton made a nomination to head the Lead Advisory Board. The person he nominated was an expert on the effects of lead on children and had published a least a hundred papers of the subject. As soon a Bush took office, he withdrew that nomination and appointed a Tulsa pediatrician who made his living testi-lying for the lead industry. Nothing is heard until six years later, when Bush/EPA relax the lead environmental standards. The government is full of these people.
The real fight is going to come when the Dems start the audits on the christianist well-fare programs. Huge amounts of tax dollars are being used in expanding the fundie infra-structure.
question.. what on earth (or in the heavens) is an “existential conflict”? Somehow Cheney and Sartre don’t seem to work for me.
Blub @
78
Blub, I almost threw my cat at the TV the other day when Matthews interviewed Frank Luntz (who, IMVHO, is one of the baddest bad guys in this whole thing. It was his memo Newtie used to start this modern whole demonize dems movement) aned ended the interview by calling him a brilliant, brilliant man. Bah! Luntz’s prescription for electoral success began with First, let’s “kill” all the Democrats.
Finally I’m starting to hear some criticism again, some doubts about the so-called “intellectual rigour” of the think-tank spawned nattering monkeys who pass for their intelligensia. It’s been missing for too long. I was beginning to think everyone had taken stoopid pills.
Just a thought….
It appears to me that our system was designed to discourage authoritarians but has no willingness to hold them accountable or punish them. Authoritarians require a heavy hand to stop them and keep them at bay. One major flaw in the left is our ability to grasp this, temporarily, before things get to far out of hand. (Much less act accordingly in methods that are extremely uncomfortable to us, for good reason)
We need to stop these people and hold them accountable to the full extent of the law. Full exposure, no pardons, no excuses.
Chimpeach.
Hi katymine! Well, Im glad you got home in one piece. AS it turns out, I caught some kind of stomach ick, too, as soon as we got home and was in bad shape for a couple of days.
Next time!
fahrender @ 81
I’ve heard it argued that J. Edgar Hoover was mixed up in it. I’m a very hard sell when it comes to conspiracies. But I think there is much behind the King murder that we perhaps will never know.
Blub @
82
Goodgawd! Is that what bigtime’s thinking whenever he goes out on those canned, farm-reared-bird blast-em-ups?! Every time he does one’a those things, he comes back ready-ta-rumble for real. Maybe give him a bucket a blood once a week & that would suffice. Stop looking up definitions of citizenship, folks, & check out incompetence.
Not only impeach Preznut, but start at the bottom and work up. Otherwise, these guys will hide in their hidey holes until the next Republican president steals an election. Had they done that during Watergate, things would be different today. Possibly.
Blub @ 78
I would guess it’s a multiplicity of reasons, but the primary one is the change in the culture which has been promoted by the right-wing noise machine for the last thirty-odd years.
In the instance of the Air Force, the Colorado Springs mega-churches (along with Dobson’s Focus on the Family) have been making steady inroads into the Air Force Academy for a couple of decades, and their disciples are just now coming to general officer status.
Yeah, they still teach civics, but, according to my sister, who taught one unit of it every semester, most high school kids have no interest in it, and I’m not sure why. When I try to get her to give me stronger impressions of the whys of it, she just said that they don’t connect it to their own lives.
But, the main message has been, for a long time, get yours, and screw everybody else. That’s how laissez faire capitalism has translated at the personal level. Throw in the fundie stuff about God wanting you to be rich and it’s just gone out of control.
And, when the vehicle goes out of control, there’s a big crash coming….
ccmask @ 89
impearch!
eh mod, did i do sumpin’ wrong?
AP – President Bush’s top diplomat tried to assure Palestinians on Sunday she has heard their demands for a stronger U.S. hand to guide peace efforts with Israel. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, however, offered no new plans and gave few clues to how she views recent initiatives proposed by others.
Incredible.
I think one place to start.. liberal (or at least pluralist/centrist) thinktanks and foundations need to spend a lot more money on education. I’d like to see a lot more programs that cultivate cadres of skilled, educated young people in public service… like the PMI (presidential management intern) program, so that we put the right people into legislative offices, exec branch positions, etc from the ground floor… This is exactly what the right has been doing (Mt Vernon college, etc), and they’ve been doing it systematically. Liberal foundations need to put their money where their mouth is and do the same thing. Our best and brightest are going to hedge funds and Wall Street law firms.. not into government, where they need to be.
Adie, it’s a puzzle, but refresh now.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 97
criminal.
Mommybrain @ 99
thanks!
Oklahoma kiddo @
50
this is really sick. the management of Smithfield deserve the worst possible fate.
montag @ 93
This sounds really really scary to me. How can they not connect democracy, freedom and civic values to their own lives? We’re doing something so so very wrong, and I don’t think it’s just laissez faire capitalism. The millenialists aren’t laissez faire capitalists, after all. I think it’s something more nativist, more insiduous.. of large segments of the population, in small and mid-sized towns and cities who’re excluded from the system (or thrown away by it) and left to the devices of the millenialist ideologues. Maybe we need educators/teachers flowing to these places. I just don’t know anymore.
Eureka Springs, AR @
56
i don’t. it’s important to fight this in any way possible. before that can be done one must refuse to be afraid. they want us to be afraid, in part because they are afraid.
angie @ 100
;0)
angie @ 100
business as usual, as far as I can tell….
Eureka Springs, AR @
95
Chimperch
Joe Lieberman (I-ch ch chia)
Dick is a dick.
Not only would I like to see who else ‘had nothing to add.’
google news has nothing about exactly who among ‘Republican leaders’ are joining the Camp David ‘Weekend With Bushie’.
——
I’d trade my silicon setup/DSL toobz connection for a week on the road with Buck O’Neil say, sometime around 1935. Games by day with Buck, Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige and the rest. Jazz shows with Duke Ellingto, Cab Calloway et al by night.
Same hotel suties and after hours clubs.
Kinda like pre-Electric LadyLand.
I think The dream is always trotted out, because superficially it looks toward an unspecified ‘future’ leaving no need to act now.
Oh. And the Dream preceded Dealey Plaza by about 90 days.
Mommybrain @ 90
We were driving down the Oregon/CA coast, through the redwoods, I am thinking… wow…. never been car sick before….. except it didn’t stop when we did.
Eureka Springs, AR, if you review many of the up and coming ReThugs that Bush has put in positions, you will find a many were home schooled. THIS IS NOT a knock on it but there is something about being in public school exposure to the masses and being provided a larger scope of society. They growup in a very narrow world view and it is potentiating because they never expose themselves to a broader view.
Montag–
“Yeah, they still teach civics, but, according to my sister, who taught one unit of it every semester, most high school kids have no interest in it, and I’m not sure why.”
Your sister’s school must be one of the few remaining. But the 2nd part of your sentence answers the question…waiting until high school to start is WAY too late. In my parents’ day, (1930’s) civics was a grade school subject, every year of grade school. REplaced and augmented in high school by history and government.
In my day, 50’s and 60’s, no classes called civics in my highly academic schools (2 systems in 2 states). In grade school social studies sort of included it – we did study basics of government, structure, history, etc.
High school, you took history and government, nothing called civics.
By high school, kids are blase, cynical, if only as a pose. If it’s an elective and they have no prior exposure, they will never elect it.
It has to be part of the basics, starting in 1st grade and continuing.
MYHO.
Has anybody seen the full text yet of John Edwards’s MLK Day speech today in Harlem?
Jan. 22, 2007 issue – Has George W. Bush ordered up a “secret war” against Iran and Syria?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16…../newsweek/
My oh My!
Does a specific brand of disarray count as progress of a sort? Or did they just try watering down the koolaid, hoping no one would notice…
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01…..ref=slogin
(dang – need cookies for this)
Blub @ 102
It’s a product of being shut out of the process by a more exclusive group that is better educated, wealthier or better connected. It’s a futility found in battling the mindset of superiority that Dr King challenged.
Dr King was real. Civics has become an illusion.
There are about 130,000 troops in Iraq. How is it possible that he needs another 20,000? Unless the death toll is higher….
He needs them for Iran.
ET: John Edwards at Riverside Church webcast live at 4pm eastern.
Chimperch
ET – the Edwards speech is scheduled for 4PM Eastern today and will be webcast – see here:
http://www.theriversidechurchn…..php?id=128
h/t to Bob Geiger for this and Bob has a video introducing the speech here: http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/
plus a cool Helen Thomas thing
Laura Rozen has a post that shows the firm representing Jerry Lewis may have a part in the purge of the San Diego DA.
ET – According to his website it’s scheduled for 4pm eastern.
edit: guess who is on dial up. lmao
Oklahoma kiddo @ 114
Steve Clemons has a great write up about it here:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..001869.php
Teddy is fast!
OK Kiddo – with the attack on the Iranian consulate, the admission that special ops, etc have been given a go to “stop Iranian” networks supporting the insurgents, more warships heading to the Gulf and F14s gathering in Turkey … looks like a war to me.
so how do we stop him?
When Soros was here for book club, he said he thought liberal think tanks were not the right way to go, because they are wrong. The approach they foster is wrong, the results (pundits pundits everywhere, bellicose and wrong!) is wrong.
I thought at the time he he was wrong but I have since changed my mind. Now I believe that the think-tank model is flawed. Put any of us in a hothouse, cross-pollinate et voila – all the flowers the same! No fresh pollen. It’s (human) nature.
I don’t know if he has a solution. I don’t, but I pretty sure it has to do with us and the intertoobz.
Katymine – I think the exec order on Iran and Syria has been confirmed by the NYT and WaPo but I’ll have to look. I know I was surprised to see it basically confirmed by MSM sources.
Someone’s purging Dumanis? Or is it the city attorney, Aguirre you’re talking about? Purging Dumanis would be a good thing IMO. She’s a rethug tool, no matter what her sexuality is.
jeffreyw @ 121
oh sorry.. you mean Lam, he’s US Attorney for the SD district, not the DA. DA’s Bonnie Dumanis, who’s evil.
katymine said:
“if you review many of the up and coming ReThugs that Bush has put in positions, you will find a many were home schooled. THIS IS NOT a knock on it but there is something about being in public school exposure to the masses and being provided a larger scope of society. They growup in a very narrow world view and it is potentiating because they never expose themselves to a broader view. “
Exactly. I’m willing to knock home schooling.
I sympathize where schools are truly lousy or dangerous, but IMHO, the public schools are important precisely for the reasons you mention. Integrated (by race, culture, and class) are important for the same reasons. It’s horrible for democracy to raise so many people exposed only to people just like them, with beliefs just like theirs.
There’s a reason people traditionally begin to question/turn against the religion/politics/worldview they were raised with when they get to college. It’s because they are finally among people who ARE not like them at all.
This was absolutely the best thing, for me, about living in the dorms in a giant state university (IU, Blgtn).
If I ran the world, there would be no private education, especially no religious schools. People who want their kids to get a religious education send them after school and on weekends, like Chinese parents who want their kids to know Chinese.
At college level (if I ran the world), no freshman would be allowed to live anywhere but a dorm. Starting out in an apartment cuts you right out of the major part of that exposure. I might not allow moving out until senior year. I might even re-institute curfews (tho’ this time they wouldn’t just be for women students), and it would be to prevent the constant drinking-til-drunk, partying-not-studying culture so prevalent in today’s colleges.
My Gawd. my 18-yr-old self (who was awed at the first glimmerings of “open visitation” of the oppo sex in dorms) would be horrified. But, it’s just: lessons learned. We see now the unexpected political (in the best sense) consequences from social policy.
Oklahoma kiddo @
91
one of the reasons behind the nastiness of the far right is that nobody has gotten to the bottom of the assassinations of the kennedys, king and malcom x. when has a right wing politician been assassinated? i know that this line of thinking proves nothing. but the fact remains that given who has died and who is so big on the NRA point of view definitely has a psychological bearing on how americans feel and think about politics and the world. i am not a big conspiracy theorist but i do, regularly, get surprised at things which come out that previously i never believed possible only to find that they are indeed possible.
Blub @ 102
ccmask @ 116
I mentioned here last Wed that the ’surge’ plan looked more like an Enron style accounting trick.
I think it was Hadley that admitted this morning the escalation was in part for expected Iran involvement.
Siun @ 126
MSN confirmation is one thing but when Larry Johnson and Steve Clemons who have inside sources write about it….. Listening to Scott Ritter who has been saying since fall of 2004 that he was given inside info that BushCo was going to attack Iran. That he was contacted to assist with Iraq so that the Admin could go on to Iran.
I am glad the MSN is picking this up but they are sooooooo slow and they tend not to emphasize the significance of the issue.
Just listened to Hagel slapping down RGJoe on C&L. RGJoe must of had lots of botox to keep that straight face…
TeddySF … When is the vote???
Blub @ 127
US Attorneys being purged nationwide. Dianne Feinstein statement:
EXCERPT:
Many were outraged that Buck was not on the list of those to be inducted (like Keith Olbermann and yours truly), but not Buck.
You can add me to the list of folks who disagree with Buck on that one. While his play may not have deserved a berth in the Hall, his off-the-field contributions more than made up the difference. He was one of the people who kept the memory of Negro baseball alive, and for that alone he deserves a place in Cooperstown.
The only thing I can say in the HoF’s defense is that there were a number of other very deserving players, and perhaps there weren’t as many spots available as there should have been.
RE: my post at 129 – apologies. I’m getting too wrought up – hit send without proofreading or editing. Bad idea.
Time to take a deep breath or and go do some tasks I’ve been postponing by hanging with y’all. Thanks for the mental workout, and the knowledge that some sane people still exist.
Gotta run get pretty for my political debut; meeting convenes at 2pm here, voting and speeches start at 3.
have a GREAT BookSalon, y’all — I’ll report back later!
WOoHoo Teddy! Go get ‘em!
we’re voting for you in spirit!
If Bush has decided to attack Iran soon, then there is no way to stop it, as far as I can tell.
Here’s my take on Buck O’Neill in the baseball hall of fame – if Bonds and McGuire can be in the record books with an asterisk behind their names, Buck O’Neill should be in Cooperstown with a big heart beside his name.
tejanarusa@ 129
No we all have times when we vent and it is healthy. The one area I disagree with is the dorm life. As a single Mom of three young adults, I have three college students living with me. Daughter, her best friend and my youngest son. Except for my daughter, the other two have tried to live on their own, work and go full time college. It was the gas prices that just put them over the edge. College is just too expensive and difficult for a single Mom to pay for everything.
Another topic and another story…
Blub @ 103
i don’t think it’s unusual for kids to not get politics. i found it all incredibly boring until high school. if i was a kid who started school in 2000 and had had six years of bush and the republicans, the furthest thing from my mind would be politics.
tejanarusa @ 136
hope to see ya again soon.
btw, safe to say – we’re all wrought up.
we CAN do this…
‘ere, join hands ;->
TeddySanFran @ 137
Good luck, Teddy.
Good Luck Teddy
Ed*ard Teller @ 140
Very good!
TeddySanFran @ 134
Ugh. I missed this. So they really are trying to pull some kind of coup to protect their own derrieres.
I don’t know if shrub realizes how much the domestic political culture he’s trying to build resembles that of the country he most likes to demonize, Iran — where the legalistic illusion of democracy exists without democratic values, where thoughtful and educated people are marginalized and find outlets only through commerce, the arts, decadence or nihilism, where a powerful but shadowy and extra-government millenialist/fundamentalist class exerts influence over secular institutions and where cadres of brain-washed young people, brought up by instutions that resemble Battle Cry/Teen Mania in the US, form gangs of thugs to terrorize everybody else into ideological submission. The historical antecedents are very different, but the results are surprisingly similar….. Ahmadinejad’s achieved much of what the millenialists want for our own country.
Ed*ard Teller @ 140
I think the only question on some folks minds would be under what category he’d be nominated and elected. To me, his contributions other than as a player are what ought to get him in the Hall. I don’t know whether there’s a category that covers his kind of contribution, but there certainly ought to be. If owners can be nominated, so should Buck O’Neill.
The singular and perhaps most important indicator of how events of the next two years will take shape is the passing of HR 1, the Anti-terror bill. As such I am forwarding this diary to http://www.projectcensored.org with the hope that they too will understand what I think are blatantly obvious motivations.
As a preface I must state it is my opinion that Congress and the current Democratic leadership of the 110th Congress is displaying allegance not the American people but to the corporate donors and the military-industrial complex which paid for their campaigns. Even the “grassroots” movements have been so heavily indoctrinated into the concept of a global war on terror by a media empire dominated by corporate interests and operating with the sole purpose of profit.
We kill by one estimate 43,200 each year in auto crashes. Take that number multiplied by five and compare it to the 3000 in WTC and the 3000 soldiers. Now recall the last five years of “coverage” of events during the last five years. Do you remember a single day going by without some mention of GWOT, “it’s a post 911 world”, “the next one might be a mushroom cloud”.
I had hoped Nov 7 would have put an end to all that, but no. The Democratic party leadership has given full reign and a blank check to the very same military-industrial complex Eisenhower told us about in 1961.
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu…..ndust.html
The hoped for “end” of the Bush reign of terror has been given new life in HR 1. A salesman tells me business is up, “lot’s of start up homeland security types”. The “end” of Bush could have taken so many other turns. A rollback of NSA spying for example. An honorable and legal out for our “guests” at Guantanamo Bay. A reaffirmation that America does not torture or “render” up people to places that do torture.
None of these options were taken however. Instead the Dems have embraced the recommendations of a whitewash commission a position they could have only come to as a suggestion from their corporate masters.
Lastly as I advance this concept “progressive” boards are starting to ban me for posting, Democratic boards, the party of “inclusivity” and “diversity”. They are showing their true colors as Nazis just like the ones at hannity.com.
I started political activism with this quote and it was aimed at republicans. I end my activism by aiming it at the party of the “progressives”.
“First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then came the Trade Unionists, but I was not a Trade Unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did little. Then, when they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me.”
So good to see you Siun. You must know by now I am a huge fan!
montag, We left off late last night (as usual) with part of the discussion about Israel asking for 30k NATO troops. Do you think NATO will say no?
The US attorney who is being asked to resign in San Diego has been active in prosecuting political crimes..
Apparently Clusterfuck is using the change in the Patriot Act to get rid of Attorneys who annoy him or his supporters and reward campaign contributors with plum positions…Even the gooper rag in town is livid about it.
(Can’t remember the attorney’s name- but she’s asian and well regarded)
katymine @ 141
Oklahoma kiddo @ 139
All the remedies I can see would be after the fact – cutting off funds, forbidding any military action, or impeachment. Congress could pass a law saying that military action against Iran is forbidden without their concurrence, but I doubt they’d be able to override the veto that would certainly occur.
The sad fact is that until the Republican congressional leadership is willing to tell the President that he’s gone too far, he’ll continue on his current course, whatever that is.
new thread
retirin’ in five @
42
Where in MI are you, retirin’? My ‘official’ zip is 48060
Katymine – a second thought – it may be that dorm costs are way more than they were in my day (relatively, of course). But living in the dorm, we also had no cars (not permitted before jr. yr), so no gas costs. Walked to class (no obesity worries, either, that way, LOL). [and, yes, it WAS thru 6 feet of snow. why do you ask?]
Actually, I nearly added a caveat to my original post that everything I said about college needs rethinking for commuter students. But all the above is why, IIRTW [see above], nobody would have to work and go to school at the same time.
Yes, I know, fantasy just keeps banging its pretty head against that brick wall of reality.
(oh, unless, of course, you’re George W Bush)
Eureka Springs, AR @ 149
Truthfully, I don’t know how that will play out. NATO has gone far afield by putting troops in Afghanistan, at US insistence, and things are not going well there. Would they be inclined to put troops directly into the problems Israel has created for itself? If the Olmert government presses Bush for it, and the US makes arms grants to some of the Eastern European new NATO members conditional upon their participation, it might happen.
That the Israelis are putting this suggestion up first tells me, though, that they don’t want to negotiate, except perhaps with Abbas, whom few of the Palestinians trust not to sell them out.
And, perhaps, Israel wants to reserve their own forces for yet another try at occupying southern Lebanon. If NATO gets even a whiff that that is their intention, they might well balk at the proposal, regardless of what Bush might want.
I guess, as with most things, we’ll just have to see what’s in the news, and whether or not a formal request of NATO is made by the Olmert government.
BobbyG @
75
I don’t think that will stop him either. But we have to do it to prove it won’t, and keep on until he does stop. Where there’s a will, throw enough mud, all that stuff.
Thanks montag, I don’t know the pieces of that puzzle very well. That helps.
HotFlash @ 156
There’s a milepost way up the road that marks the point where BushCo actions get us in so deep that it then might be unconstitutional to challenge him
montag,
But, the main message has been, for a long time, get yours, and screw everybody else.
I’m hearing that from older people here in my town who consistently vote NO on school levies. “We don’t have kids in school and taxes are too high.”
I would really like to point out to them that these ‘kids’ are the ones who will be paying their Social Security.
Very selfish.
Margot @ 161
I know we’re epu’d, but — I have pointed out that very thing. The response is usually, {drawing self up self-righteously), “That is NOT true. We paid in for 30/40/50 yrs of working life, and we’re just getting it back!”
My republican mother believed this, the last time it came up. (OTOH, I’ve never heard her say she doesn’t want to pay for good schools)
Oklahoma kiddo @
3
In Boston, wearing number 34.
Max Roswell @ 163
There are quite a few, really. You just don’t hear about them.