Comments on: Anatomy of Deceit: An Excerpt, and the NYT’s Memory Hole http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:14:14 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: r m flanagan http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-457622 r m flanagan Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:52:29 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-457622 <p>This maybe old news , I haven’t read the 175 comments. According to the Public Editor of<br /> the Times here is the explanation.<br /> QUOTE</p> <p>The blogger has half the story correct. Indeed, the article was changed. But we did not delete Mr. Libby’s name, we ADDED it because it had been left out of the first-edition editorial by mistake. Unfortunately, when the editorial was updated for the second edition, the Web site never posted the updated version. So that first-edition article without his name remained — and remains — as the only link/version on the Web. That is the early national edition.<br /> UNQUOTE.<br /> The Public Editor specifically gave me permission to forward his reply</p> This maybe old news , I haven’t read the 175 comments. According to the Public Editor of
the Times here is the explanation.
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The blogger has half the story correct. Indeed, the article was changed. But we did not delete Mr. Libby’s name, we ADDED it because it had been left out of the first-edition editorial by mistake. Unfortunately, when the editorial was updated for the second edition, the Web site never posted the updated version. So that first-edition article without his name remained — and remains — as the only link/version on the Web. That is the early national edition.
UNQUOTE.
The Public Editor specifically gave me permission to forward his reply

]]> By: RevDeb http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-457034 RevDeb Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:30:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-457034 <p><a href="#comment-457017"><em>emptywheel @<br /> 173 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-457005"><em>DurangoDave @<br /> 171 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>As of 9:45AM ET Jan. 15 the archive appears to have been corrected.</p></blockquote> <p>See my comment above–there are two versions. The one that is <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/16/opinion/16sat2.html?ex=1255665600&en=86e00da608e86f57&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland">outside of the firewall</a> still is scrubbed of Libby.</p></blockquote> <p>Marcy,<br /> I’m not sure which firewall you are referring to. Times Select?<br /> On the NewsBank archive through my library which is a firewall too in that you need a library card number, the article posted is the original. Since there’s no way for me to post a screen shot here I can send it to you via e-mail if you want or I can e-mail you my library card number and you can look for yourself. my name at mac dot com.</p> <p>Lord knows I want these bastards to be accountable. I also want all of us to be on the same page here.</p> emptywheel @
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DurangoDave @
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As of 9:45AM ET Jan. 15 the archive appears to have been corrected.

See my comment above–there are two versions. The one that is outside of the firewall still is scrubbed of Libby.

Marcy,
I’m not sure which firewall you are referring to. Times Select?
On the NewsBank archive through my library which is a firewall too in that you need a library card number, the article posted is the original. Since there’s no way for me to post a screen shot here I can send it to you via e-mail if you want or I can e-mail you my library card number and you can look for yourself. my name at mac dot com.

Lord knows I want these bastards to be accountable. I also want all of us to be on the same page here.

]]> By: emptywheel http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-457017 emptywheel Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:05:19 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-457017 <p><a href="#comment-457005"><em>DurangoDave @<br /> 171 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>As of 9:45AM ET Jan. 15 the archive appears to have been corrected.</p></blockquote> <p>See my comment above–there are two versions. The one that is <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/16/opinion/16sat2.html?ex=1255665600&en=86e00da608e86f57&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland">outside of the firewall</a> still is scrubbed of Libby.</p> DurangoDave @
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As of 9:45AM ET Jan. 15 the archive appears to have been corrected.

See my comment above–there are two versions. The one that is outside of the firewall still is scrubbed of Libby.

]]> By: ccmask http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-457011 ccmask Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:56:50 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-457011 <p><a href="#comment-457005"><em>DurangoDave @ 171 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>As of 9:45AM ET Jan. 15 the archive appears to have been corrected.</p></blockquote> <p>Wow.</p> DurangoDave @ 171

As of 9:45AM ET Jan. 15 the archive appears to have been corrected.

Wow.

]]> By: DurangoDave http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-457005 DurangoDave Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:48:07 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-457005 <p>As of 9:45AM ET Jan. 15 the archive appears to have been corrected.</p> As of 9:45AM ET Jan. 15 the archive appears to have been corrected.

]]> By: Sally http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-456983 Sally Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:18:17 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-456983 <p>RevDeb @ 126, that was a Cheney remark I actually enjoyed and probably as close to the truth as Herr Cheney will ever come.</p> RevDeb @ 126, that was a Cheney remark I actually enjoyed and probably as close to the truth as Herr Cheney will ever come.

]]> By: emptywheel http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-456922 emptywheel Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:25:43 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-456922 <p><a href="#comment-456794"><em>Rayne @<br /> 163 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>P.S. Jane — your blog, your call, natch…but I’d contact <a href="http://www.technorati.com/chart/jay rosen">Jay Rosen</a> before CJR (<a href="http://www.technorati.com/chart/columbia journalism review">Columbia Journalism Review</a>). Jay could get this in <a href="http://www.technorati.com/chart/poynter online">Poynter Online</a> (and <a href="http://www.technorati.com/chart/romanesko">Romanesko</a>, too?). Food for thought.</p></blockquote> <p>I told Jay about it already.</p> Rayne @
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P.S. Jane — your blog, your call, natch…but I’d contact Jay Rosen before CJR (Columbia Journalism Review). Jay could get this in Poynter Online (and Romanesko, too?). Food for thought.

I told Jay about it already.

]]> By: neil http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-456910 neil Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:05:38 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-456910 <p><a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/">Office of Special Counsel - link</a></p> Office of Special Counsel – link

]]> By: neil http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-456908 neil Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:01:58 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-456908 <blockquote><p>Describing Fitzgerald as a special prosecutor may actually be an error. The other changes are very minor. I don’t understand why these multiple versions exist. Errors should be fixed by printing corrections, not messing with archives. </p></blockquote> <p>True. He is Special Counsel. </p> <p>The ‘Special Prosecutor’ law was taken off the books after it was so shamelessly abused and politicized by Ken Starr and the Republican power brokers.</p>

Describing Fitzgerald as a special prosecutor may actually be an error. The other changes are very minor. I don’t understand why these multiple versions exist. Errors should be fixed by printing corrections, not messing with archives.

True. He is Special Counsel.

The ‘Special Prosecutor’ law was taken off the books after it was so shamelessly abused and politicized by Ken Starr and the Republican power brokers.

]]> By: neil http://firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-456904 neil Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:57:50 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/14/anatomy-of-deceit-an-excerpt-and-the-nyts-memory-hole/#comment-456904 <blockquote><p> Cheney is forced to testify in case of the crime that never was<br /> Tim Reid in Washington</p> <p>White House aide accused of lying<br /> Fears of a ’show trial’ over Iraq war</p> <p>…the relentlessly secretive Mr Cheney will enter the witness box as part of Mr Libby’s defence. It makes him the first sitting vice-president to testify in a criminal prosecution. He is expected to be cross-examined on his efforts to rebut critics of the war aggressively as it began to turn sour in 2003, an experience he will find detestable. </p> <p>Mr Libby denies lying to the FBI and a grand jury about who gave the press the name of Valerie Plame, a former covert CIA agent with stunning good looks. He faces up to 30 years in jail if convicted. </p></blockquote> <p><a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13129-2544795,00.html">Cheney is forced to testify - link</a></p>

Cheney is forced to testify in case of the crime that never was
Tim Reid in Washington

White House aide accused of lying
Fears of a ’show trial’ over Iraq war

…the relentlessly secretive Mr Cheney will enter the witness box as part of Mr Libby’s defence. It makes him the first sitting vice-president to testify in a criminal prosecution. He is expected to be cross-examined on his efforts to rebut critics of the war aggressively as it began to turn sour in 2003, an experience he will find detestable.

Mr Libby denies lying to the FBI and a grand jury about who gave the press the name of Valerie Plame, a former covert CIA agent with stunning good looks. He faces up to 30 years in jail if convicted.

Cheney is forced to testify – link

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