
I suppose the problem started with Andover, Bush's prep school. Evidently there's no class in wood shop, where Bush could have learned the first basic rule of carpentry: measure twice, cut once.
I learned it first from my dad, and later – as a teen – had it reinforced by a master carpenter who had been a combat engineer in Vietnam. We were working together on a volunteer construction project, and he was watching all of us volunteers to see that no one got hurt and to insure that the project was up to code. Once, seeing me about to make a cut in a 4×4, he stopped me before the saw met the wood. "What? I measured it," I protested, a bit defensively. "Yes, but you only measured once," he replied. "That's a great recipe for making toothpicks, but a lousy way to build a house. If you're going to build something, it's 'Measure twice, cut once.'"
I heard that refrain later in shop class, too. A classmate had planned on building a glorious doghouse for his golden retriever, but after mis-measuring a critical board, he realized that it had been cut too short and would not work. He scaled down his plans, and once more screwed up one of the cuts. Then he did it a third time. He ended up making a simple, small birdhouse, and even then the corners didn't fit too well. "But I measured it!" he wailed. The teacher had little sympathy: "Measure twice, cut once."
Bush obviously does foreign and military policy planning using the toothpick recipe: measure once, cut twice.
Then-Army Chief of Staff General Shinseki told Bush in Spring 2003 that his measurements for troop strength were too light, but Bush didn't listen. Now almost four years later Bush wants to boost the troop strength . . . but that board's been cut and you can't go back.
The glorious plans for Iraq called for a "shock and awe" to defeat Saddam, stun the country into meek submission, and then let the neo-con nation builders play at being James Madison in the Middle East. (I think we're up to 1402 days on that one, right, NorskeFlamethrower?) "Major combat has ended," proclaimed Bush in his flight suit on the USS Lincoln, but that too has proved to be a mismeasurement. (Keith Olbermann keeps measuring that one for us – how many days has it been now, Keith?)
A thousand mismeasured policies later, and we're surrounded by sawdust and woodchips, reduced to trying to make a birdhouse. And it's not looking good for the birds.
Never mind that the Generals in charge don't think that this will work. More troops at the outset might have worked, but now . . . not so much. As the Washington Post said on yesterday's front page,
When President Bush goes before the American people tonight to outline his new strategy for Iraq, he will be doing something he has avoided since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003: ordering his top military brass to take action they initially resisted and advised against.
Bush talks frequently of his disdain for micromanaging the war effort and for second-guessing his commanders. "It's important to trust the judgment of the military when they're making military plans," he told The Washington Post in an interview last month. "I'm a strict adherer to the command structure."
Right. As long as everyone salutes the Adherer-in-Chief at the top of that structure. The WaPo goes on:
Pentagon insiders say members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have long opposed the increase in troops and are only grudgingly going along with the plan because they have been promised that the military escalation will be matched by renewed political and economic efforts in Iraq. Gen. John P. Abizaid, the outgoing head of Central Command, said less than two months ago that adding U.S. troops was not the answer for Iraq.
Maybe the generals have done their measuring, not once but twice. According to that non-lefty, non-pacifist Larry Johnson,
George Bush still does not get it. The war in Iraq is not and never has been about terrorism. The attacks, the vast majority of attacks carried out against U.S. troops and Iraqis, are not the work of foreign jihadists operating under the direction of Osama Bin Laden. The facts on the ground do not support it.
Although U.S. forces have killed the head of Al Qaeda in Iraq, Zarqawi, violence has soared unabated. The reason is simple and the solution complex. The U.S. presence in Iraq has unleashed a sectarian war that pits Sunni against Shia. The United States now finds itself confronted with equally unpalatable choices: 1) Back the Sunnis and piss of the Shias, or 2) Back the Shias and piss off the Sunnis.
Bush tonight [i.e., in last night's speech] signals that we are going to pitch our tent with the Shias except we also are going to fight the one Shia, Moktada al Sadr and his Mahdi Army militia, who are the most anti-iranian of the Shia. Great! The one group of Shias not closely aligned with Iran are the ones we will attack. This is madness.
Bush also has ignored the recent National Intelligence Estimate, which says that the U.S. presence in Iraq is fueling terrorism not diminishing it. Putting more U.S. troops into Baghdad who will be killing more Iraqis will simply embitter more Iraqis and speed recruitment of aspiring terrorists.
There's so much about the speech itself that makes me wonder:
Responsibility: At the top of the speech, Bush said "Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me." OK, fine, but from then on, responsibility seemed to be somthing that belongs to everyone else. Iraq's plan, Iraq's plan, Iraq must, Iraq must . . . If I didn't know better, I'd say that Bush has found his exit strategy. Either this new plan works (not likely, but stranger things have happened in life) and Bush grabs for glory, or it doesn't and we hear Bush in another speech three or four Friedman Units from now saying, "Gosh, the Iraqi's didn't live up to their responsibilities, so we're pulling out."
Contradictions: The Iraqis are in charge, it's their plan, it's their job to do . . . OK, but let's talk details. When we embed our brigades with their troops in Baghdad, who calls the shots and gives the orders? If it's US commanders, then the Iraqis aren't in charge. If it's Iraqis, then who is Bush to say where the troops will and will not go? (And what will the rightwingers think of US troops taking orders from Iraqi commanders?)
Domestic politics: Other than a passing thank you to James Baker and Lee Hamilton, only one US politician was mentioned by name: Mr. Bipartisanship himself, "Short Ride" Joe. When I heard that name come off of Bush's lips, I could swear I heard punaise shouting at his television set. Cue the chorus: "My contempt . . ."
Public Speaking: OK, I give a lot of public speeches as a pastor. I've averaged about one a week for over 17 years, so I've got a little understanding of the task at hand. Last night, I was appalled at how Bush spoke, and I wasn't the only one. Here's Howard Fineman of Newsweek:
George W. Bush spoke with all the confidence of a perp in a police lineup. I first interviewed the guy in 1987 and began covering his political rise in 1993, and I have never seen him, in public or private, look less convincing, less sure of himself, less cocky. With his knitted brow and stricken features, he looked, well, scared. Not surprising since what he was doing in the White House library was announcing the escalation of an unpopular war.
The president may well be right that we cannot afford to leave or lose in Iraq . He makes profound sense when he observes that a collapse of Iraq would mean the rise of a giant version of the Taliban's Afghanistan—with a million times the oil in the ground.
But if he was trying to assure the country that he had confidence in his own plan to prevent that collapse, well, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Purpose of the speech: Other than announcing a decision, I couldn't figure out who the speech was aimed at or what Bush was trying to accomplish by it. It wasn't a persuasive speech, as there was no development of an argument and support for conclusions with evidence and logic. Except for one thing. Syria and Iran. William Arkin at Early Warning picked up on this right away last night:
If there's anything in the President Bush's remarks tonight that we didn't already know or didn't anticipate him saying militarily about Iraq, it is his evident willingness to go to war with Syria and Iran to seek peace.
Speaking about the two countries tonight, the president said that the United States wiill "seek out and destroy" those who are providing material support to our enemies.
It is only a threat. But it is a far cry from the diplomatic proposals floated just last month for making Syria and Iran part of the solution. Can the president really be saying that we are willing to risk war with the two countries, and even attack elements inside them, to achieve peace in Iraq?
[snip]
And how will Syria and Iran react? President Bush implicitly accused the two of providing sanctuary and material support for violent elements in Iraq. There is an ominous element here: When the President pledged to "seek out and destroy the networks supporting our enemies in Iraq," to me, that means the threat of strikes on targets in those two countries.
The President giveth peace and he taketh away.
If all this has you too depressed, and you need a laugh, check out the songs at Biscuit Joint . The name refers to a method for joining two pieces of wood, and the songs are done by a carpenter who does residential remodeling projects. (Note the logo there!) I especially liked DIYO, of which the carpenter/songwriter says " You’ll recognize the tune from one of Hank Williams’s great hits…but with a twist. This song should be played for any amateur schmuck who thinks they are ready to undertake a major construction project on their own, or who’s wife convinces them that there is a professional builder inside all men."
Measure once, cut twice. "Blather, rinse, and repeat " isn't just for bloggers, TRex. Are we down to toothpicks yet?




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Peterr!
Fitz! and Peterr!
When are the black helicopters scheduled in?
I heard the bit about no surrenders on battleships and all but screamed ‘That’s because terrorism is an idea and can’t surrender, you @#$%^&*!!!’
Can we either impeach or 25th-amendment this guy now? While we’re still alive to do it?
Peterr–great post. Something tells me this isn’t the first time you’ve used carpentry as a metaphor.
Hey twolf…did you see I got your #1 position last night!! hehe I didn’t Fitz either, I wolfed.
Denver wins the convention!
New from HASBLOW, OPERATION, I mean ESCALATION a game for the whole family — at least those left alive.
ccmask @ 5
Yes! :) I felt honored. …and still do.
L8tr…got to work today. :)
To satisfy the Generals in charge, Bush is not increasing the number of Bush family members serving…anywhere. Republicans can breathe a collective sigh of relief.
Iran. Iran. Iran. The United States attacked their consulate in Kurdistan last night, which as far as I know is an act of war. (And, managed to piss off the only group-the Kurds– in Iraq that isn’t already actively trying to undermine us.)
I’ve seen it compared to Nixon’s attack on Cambodia. But it’s really more as if Nixon had decided to escalate by attacking China.
Moveon is organizing protests today over the escalation. You may also want to call your reps.
Twisted Martini @ 6
A good thing, IMO. It’s a safe bet that the Dems win New York (I’m guessing, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Giuliani couldn’t win his own state in a general election), but a little more exposure out west can’t hurt.
RBG @ 4
Thanks – and you’re right about the metaphor. :)
If the new answer is “20,000 troops” then I think we’re a long way from the final cut on this bird house- may be a cricket house before it’s over.
Fineman’s right- Clusterfuck looked like frozen shit warmed over- why? Obvious- he was forced to deliver a speech that makes NO SENSE AT ALL.
If the future of the nation hangs in the balance- and the problem is too few troops- and this is the last time to get it right- then how many troops do you send? Half a million is the right answer- cause you believe that you CANNOT AFFORD TO FAIL-and you institute a draft and raise taxes to pay for it-
But no- Clusterfuck tells us that our very lives hang in the balance and sends 20,000 additional troops- and really these are not additional troops- it’s the same level he had a year ago- which didn’t work..
Somethin stinks in the state of pig farmers.
Let me see if i get this straight, Firepups. US troops commandeered the Iranian diplomatic mission in Irbil (Kurdish iraq) and arrested 5 Iranians, taking down the Iranian flag on the roof. They turned the building over to the Pehmurga, who refused to allow cameramen and photographrers in for photos.
We’ve got ground troops in Somalia, a Navy admiral now heads the mideast military, Patriot missiles installed in Iraq, another carrier strike force being deployed, Israel training pilots for an Iranian strike and israeli military leaders hitting the media, all in the shadow of a hundred media reports dating back to last summer’s Seymor Hersh piece detailing planning to attack Iran. (Or first provoke a Tonkin.)
The madman last nite discussed “defending the territorial borders” of Iraq, though in March of 2003 that issue was not on the table.
At what point is it too late to provide the necessary backbone to the wavering Dems to shut this madness out and shut this government down?
Bush is going to Ft Benning to deliver another
speech, another base…
Speak in Philly, Chicago, Denver, you arsehole!
You got NO balls, cuz you will be heckled off the fucking podium…
Please Impeach him, please!
Jack
Bush is measuring with Halliburton’s ruler
So now Clusterfuck is back to his favorite game- the speech a day solution to world problems- how many fuckin military bases and homes for brain dead goopers ARE there?
Great moments in Bush’s Iraq speeches.
Measure twice, cut once. Amen.
Here’s another carpentry metaphor, Peter:
When the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result. Bush keeps trying the same tired old shit over and over. Now he expects a different result, the same result he has expected all along.
So, riddle me this, lakers. We’re going to send 17,000 troops to Baghdad to assist Iraqi forces in quelling the violence. Are we going to be reinforcing Shi’i troopers in pacifying Sadr City? Or are we going to reinforcing Sunni troopers in Sadr City?
If it’s Shi’i troopers, why in God’s name does he believe that they would fight their co-religionists in the Mahdi Army (Muqtada’s bunch)? If you consider that most of these guys probably part of the Mahdi Army, doesn’t it seem less likely that they’ll fight their buddies and more likely that they’ll frag their American handlers?
If it’s Sunni troopers, I’d like an explanation about how this differs from ethnic cleansing, please. Aren’t we more likely to walk into a mare’s nest of snipers, ambushes and IEDs?
al-Maliki has already made it clear-ish that they’d rather not have Bush surge our Army (and Marines) all over them. They’d rather be left alone to their feud.
Would someone please give Bush a blow-job so we can impeach his sorry ass.
BC
rwcole @ 14
More like sawdust for the hamster, rw.
BC
I know everyone’s comparing Bush to Hitler, but I’m seeing shades of Stalin here.
rwcole @ 14
That’s the hog confinements. We’re working on it.
Question:
Is there any way to determine what portion of our taxes is going to fund this war? Any ideas how I could find out?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Ah, for the wisdom of those blue collar classes. I took home-ec (mandatory for gurls, back in the day), and had to make a shirt.
Same deal: Measure twice (at least), cut once so you don’t waste cloth or screw up the entire shirt.
THis guy is a cowardly incompetent. He won’t speak to real crowds, only those that are CAREFULLY vetted–at this point, only the military because the attendees can be busted for insubordination or worse if they “act up.”
I bet he can’t even appear before GOP crowds, because of the level of anger.
The new Iran/Iraq plan is going to get a lot of people killed. Oy…
What Clusterfuck has vomited up is not a plan- it’s not a strategy- it’s a big fuckin NOTHIN- the right response is NOT to raise hell about keepin him from doin it- the right response is to say “So what’s the plan- cause that sure as hell doesn’t count as one!”
rwcole @ 14
Nah. Sawdust for the hamsters seems more likely to me at this point, rw.
BC
I enjoyed your metaphor.
Years ago my grandfather taught me an important lesson using a construction metaphor. It was that when you are a hammer you have to be careful you don’t see every problem as a nail.
Andover needs a wood shop class.
cnn asks – “what do you think of Bush’s plan for Iraq?”
let them know at newsroomATcnnDOTcom
Joe to the Limo driver in one of my favorite movies- “Joe vs. the Volcano”.
Joe- “I’m headed out to buy some clothes- do you have any suggestions”
Driver- “Well what kind of clothes do you have?”
Joe- “Clothes like THESE that I’m wearing”
Driver- “So ya GOT no clothes!”
Clusterfuck’s “got no clothes” there were a lot of people sayin that things wasn’t goin so good in Iraq- and that he needed a “New Way Forward”===and all he could come up with was this fuckin tee shirt.
Dems will make a big mistake if they honor this abortion of a plan with serious commentary or worse- with opposition..that’s just what he’s hopin for…
Clusterfuck would LOVE it if dems found a way from keepin him from sending the three new troops and the margarita blender- he could then say that since dems won’t let him do his great “plan” he may not be able to win the war- and all of a sudden- dems OWN the fuckin war.
The right response is to laugh in his fuckin face!
This just in: Senate Republicans threaten to filibuster anti-escalation legislation.
Continuing the GOP’s strategy for 2008: play to lose.
Yawn: Dodd declares ‘08 presidential run.
Crazy Horse @ 15
Amen Crazy, be afraid, be very afraid, and this is no fake color code thingy. This is the real deal.
WTF can we do, the dems are somnambulent.
mandrake @ 24
The accounting is rather difficult–operations have been funded through supplementals, but how should one account for “support” costs in the regular DoD budget? How about long-term liabilities incurred by the war?
Explicit (”supplemental”) costs for the Iraq war are running about 5% of gov’t expenditures (which is more like about 6-7% of total government receipts, since we’re deficit spending.) For yourself, add up ALL federal taxes last year (including Medicare, Social Security–all payroll taxes), multiply by 6%, that’s one way to account for what you personally are paying for marginal operations per year. I’d hazard a guess that about double that is the true total cost (including “normal operations” to support those troops in the DoD budget) per year.
This does not count the future liabilities incurred by long-term costs such as depleted equipment and long-term care for the wounded. (Or, dare I say it–future reparations?) Estimates for that go as high as another factor of 2-3 more (discounted to the present.)
Puma- Yeah it would be a miracle if the goopers did the one thing that could save the dems- a fillibuster is exactly the WORST thing they can do- gets the dems completely off the hook- and frees Clusterfuck to initiate his road map to hell.
EvilDrPuma @
12
Good call, selecting Denver. Reinforces/nurtures the mountain-west blue trend.
Professor Foland:
In other words, 20 to 25 percent of our federal taxes are tied up by this war?
Brat @ 24
I was in the first class of boys who were allowed to take Home Ec. Loved my cooking class, and the metaphor works there too. Measure twice, cook once. All too often, if you mismeasure, there’s not much you can do except multiply the recipe (if possible) or start over from scratch.
Of course, we devious cooks had fun with that one. When we were baking cookies in class, someone “accidentally” added three times the amount of a critical ingredient and, as a result, had to triple the amounts of everything else. Said someone had their grade lowered for screwing up the recipe, but three times the cookies helped to ease the pain.
Bush does not measure up, that’s for sure.
Professor Foland @ 11
Oh, yeah, that’ll do a lot of good. My reps are John McCain, John Kyl and Trent Franks. Who’re ya gonna call?!!
rwcole @ 31
Look, he will throw it back at us no matter what we do, so let’s get over the fear-of-response thing. The reason they are holding Iraq over the Dems now is because they didn’t have the balls originally to say no to the war. By the way did anyone see David Brook’s trash piece in the NYT today?! Iraq (Iran, Syria) escalation now is the fault of the Dems because they/we did not come up with an alternative plan. Spare me!!!
Good on Denver
Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and Nevada are either blue or are on their way..
Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming have too many cross breeding mormons to find sanity in our lifetimes.. Montana’s lookin good!
Well, measuring twice would have helped, but the essential problem was that it was the wrong project entirely.
It looks as if we are right on schedule for the neo-cons. Posted at Howie’s site.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..ified.html
THE SURGE: POLITICAL COVER OR ESCALATION
by Paul Craig Roberts
“By manipulating Bush and provoking a military crisis in which the US stands to lose its army in Iraq, the neoconservatives hope to revive the implementation of their plan for US conquest of the Middle East. They believe they can use fear, “honor,” and the aversion of macho Americans to ignoble defeat to expand the conflict in response to military disaster. The neocons believe that the loss of an American army would be met with the electorate’s demand for revenge. The barriers to the draft would fall, as would the barriers to the use of nuclear weapons.”
I used to think this kind of reasoning was insane; now I am not so sure. I have wondered what is the common ground for the neo-cons and the christianist wackos..well it is beginning to look like nuking the Muslims.
Here’s the right response to Clusterfuck– say that he’s got a year to show that he can win this fuckin thing or we start bringin the troops home. Let him send as many troops as he likes during that period- let him piss all over himself- but hold him strictly accountable for results- not bull shit.
EvilDrPuma @ 32
Just a quick comment to make sure everyone is aware of the “America Says No” rallies.
Peterr!
Cue the chorus: “My contempt . . .”
I was spared the real-time experience of the HoJo reference, discovering it later via neurophius’ expert account (the new gold standard in live-blogging?)
Nevertheless, my contempt for Joe Lieberman grows steadily.
Richmond @ 47
What I meant to write, was: And 1) where is that nice little group of moderate anti filibuster people (Lieberlier, Collins etc) and 2) what about all that Rethug talk about doing away with filibuster. Let them go on the record in terms of a filibuster and we can hold their noses in the shit they say in the next election.
EvilDrPuma @ 32
Never stop the opposition when they’re busy hanging themselves.
BC
Brat @ 25
I had to make a skirt. I started out by choosing the wrong material, but it was pretty, so I didn’t care. That was about as far as my interest in making a skirt went. I didn’t want to make it, I just wanted to wear it. So, my work was uninspired – I didn’t take my time measuring, the seams didn’t match, the hem was crooked, and the zipper never really fully closed. But dang it, I wore the damn skirt. Once.
montag @ 44
“We lack metrics to know if we are winning or losing the global war on terror”
Bargain Countertenor @ 50
If the Senate GOP wants to filibuster on this–and if Holy Joe wants to go with ‘em–that’s fine with me. Not only could we rub their noses in the decision to aid and abet the escalation of a failed war in defiance of public opinion, we can rub them in the naked hypocrisy of resorting to a filibuster first thing after all that “nuclear option” horseshit. The Republicans seem to really want to become irrelevant, and that’s just fine.
The carpentry metaphor (and your position as a pastor) reminds me of stories in the apocryphal gospel of Peter where the child Jesus assists Joseph in his carpentry. Fortunately for Joseph, his assistant had the ability to extend the length of a too shortly cut piece of lumber. Sweet!
You can see how over-dependance on such a gifted assistant could lead to laxness in observing the “measure once, cut twice” rule.
Tell me, folks: who will be the second non-republican to sit on Bush’s “bipartisan” group? Or will Short Ride have the non-GOP side of the table all to himself?
Shorter Bush: “To my friends in Iran and Syria, I give you Tonkin II.”
EvilDrPuma #54
The first thing Mitch McConnell said when he was selected to be Senate Minority Leader last year was precisely that the Republicans would use the filibuster to restrain Democrats, showing once again that It’s OK If You’re Republican.
dzman49 @ 55
I’ve essentially given up on my Christianity as a result of the fundie movement all around me. But where are the outspoken moderate church leaders who figured so centrally in the Vietnam war – both Protestant and Catholic. Carter has done a great job, but he is not a leader as such, and I don’t see many others!
long-standing “oopsie” reminiscence among the weekend-warrior “carpenters” in my family: 60 inches = 6 feet. when you’re in a hurry, the decimal math is easier…
War with Iran seems to be more than a threat: U.S. forces attacked Iranian consulate in northern Iraq. The undeclared war against Iran? Isn’t attacking a diplomatic mission something that’s usually considered, um, an act of war?
Hugh @ 57
And, again, they can do that, but I think they’ll learn later that it was a mistake. Of course, then they’ll spend five or six years whining about it, but I plan to have a patent on improved earplugs by then so I can really clean up.
I called my local office yesterday and today. (Neal D-MA-02). Both times said cut off funding, rescind AUMF and impeach.
Put in a question to WaPo chat w/Dana Priest (12:30 eastern)
“Is Iran the ‘new Cambodia’” and stole from here (don’t know who) about if conflict erupts w/Iran before Libby testimony will it have implicaitons for evidence? (Just to put a connection in reader minds) and that Val WAS on the Iran desk.
Madison Guy @ 61
Absolutely, as I said in the last post. This, plus the attacks on the oil fields in Iran announced this morning seem specifically done with an attempt to get Iran to attack us, so we can then counter with bombs. Pretty huh!
oh. And Sen. Obama seems like he’s out of Joey2Face’s shadow on the war anyway. He dirides the ‘war by Friedman Unit’ being offered up by Condi et al.
Steve, PC Roberts called this last month when he asked: Is James Baker any match for AIP^C? The answer last night: NO. Bush dismissed Baker’s call for drawdown and talks with Iran and Syria. Instead he sends more troops and essentially declares war on the Iraqi neighbors.
According to Roberts:
This makes sense in terms of the take down of al Sadr, since he is the strongest nationalistic force present in Iraq today. The neocons/Likudniks will foster sectarian strife in Iraq, just like they are encouraging it between Fatah and Hamas right now.
On Action: Could we get local and state governments to deny investments in companies who have benefitted from war profiteering in this intervention – G.E., Hell-iburton, etc.
Richmond @ 58
They’re out there, but they aren’t getting much press. When Pat Robertson predicts another 9-11 during 2007, it’s hard for more reasonable voices to be heard. All too often, it seems that editors have the mindset of “we only have room for one religious voice in this story . . .” and up pops Pat or Dobson or Falwell or another of that ilk.
rwcole @ 46
Why would we give him another day, RW. He’s had 3 years and over 3,000 lives already!
punaise @ 53
Well, I doubt Lew Rockwell is wanting to think much about how badly a privatized army is working out, these days….
The solution to the problem Rummy made for himself is not privatized defense, but, rather, to stop making problems for ourselves and to concentrate on real defense, rather than on an increasingly offensive military stationed abroad, rather than at home.
And those things are essentially political decisions which have nothing to do with private/public management of the Defense Dept. If Halliburton was doing what Bush wanted around the world, the results would be even more chaotic, expensive and, if possible, even more hopelessly fucked up.
you know what?
we need to get shinseki’s opinion of this “surge”
MAN that would be GREAT…anyway to get his opinion on the record?
imagine if the man that told him he was sending too few troops would now say he’s making a mistake sending 21000 more
we really need to hear from the good general shinseki, no?
Peterr – but remember the Berrigan brothers, Sloan Coffin, MLK etc. Where are there contemporaries now when we REALLY need them – both on Katrina and on the war insanity. I just don’t see any real movement leadership there
Funny, I gave up Christianity IN Vietnam. I used to see the monks in their saffron robes and wonder what thye were up to. Strange how things work out.
I’ve essentially given up on my Christianity as a result of the fundie movement all around me. But where are the outspoken moderate church leaders who figured so centrally in the Vietnam war – both Protestant and Catholic. Carter has done a great job, but he is not a leader as such, and I don’t see many others!
I’ve started reading “Don’t think of an Elephant” by George Lakoff. What I’ve read so far reinforces my long held belief that we should not use the Republican’s language on issues like this. When they choose a term like “surge,” we should respond by calling it a “troop buildup”, or a “war escalation.”
Anyway, here we are with a lunatic at the helm who is hell-bent on turning the entire middle-east into an inferno. The disturbed young man who blew up frogs with firecrackers by the hundreds will find a reason to let off the biggest firecracker of all before he leaves office. Going “nukular” has been his wild wet dream from the outset. The question is, will we stop him?
RAw has up that Lieberlier is likely to join the Republithugs on a filibuser!
Not to pile work on, but any way we can get someone to do a Connecticut pole what Conn voters think of him now. We could get it out into the MSM. (I know this is small in the nature of current things, but…)
On Action: Anyway we can get the Professional ethics board of the pertinent associations of American Psychiatrists, Psychologists, and/or Clinical Social Workers to address the issue of the immorality of sending soldiers newly medicated with Prozac because of traume in their recent military experience back into the field of battle?
Richmond @ 73
Of course he is. Lieberman is nothing if not predictable in his commitment to carnage.
Surely somebody is polling his approvals. Just remember, Quinnipiac can’t be trusted to read your weight off a scale while looking over your shoulder.
Is this another case of Spocko?
Last night, after the speech, The Kid got to stay up late to watch his favorite show: Mythbusters. The myth they were debunking was a theory that the Hindenberg explosion was the result of the coating on the skin of the airship and not the hydrogen inside it. The impetus for the theory was that the coating had all the elements of thermite in it, though (obviously) not mixed together in the same way. The mythbusters crew built several scale model replicas, and had fun setting them on fire and blowing them up, much to the delight of The Kid. The episoded ended with the myth busted, and the hosts saying essentially “who would paint their blimps with rocket fuel?”
I immediately thought of Bush.
Ann
“Why would we give him another day, RW. He’s had 3 years and over 3,000 lives already!”
Cause we don’t have the votes to pull the plug now anyway–there are only a handful of americans who are in favor of “bring em home now”- so the troops are going to be there through 07 in any event.. In 08, assuming that things don’t improve, everything changes and the dynamics favor withdrawal.
P J Evans @ 38
I’m not sure I’d say that. I might say that the total annual cost of this war amounts to 20-25% of the amount of your annual federal tax payments. But that’s including the long-term liabilities, which are (a) estimates and (b) accounted for differently; and trying to empirically account for the fact that much of the spending is funded by running deficits. I might say–about 5% of federal outlays go directly to the war; indirect cost might (as an estimate) come to ~20% of annual federal inflows–which are what’s shown on one’s W-2’s, and which therefore someone like Mandrake might be able to use to estimate their personal stake.
But the accounting is tricky here, no question.
Ann in AZ @ 41
One thing we learned from speaking with Kerry staffers is that they are constantly deluged with wingnut calls, and the effect is not completely negligible. Call even if you think it will have no effect. Slow, steady pressure…
momly @ 76
Snort. Something like that, it seems. The MSM seem unsatisfied with wanly imitating the success of real (independent) blogs–now they want to try to shut out the competition.
He’s gonna need a new codpiece.
NYT: Bush invites ‘epic clash’ with brand new Democratic controlled Congress
RAW STORY
Published: Wednesday January 10, 2007
President Bush is inviting an “epic clash” with the brand new Democratic controlled Congress, the White House beat reporter for The New York Times writes in a news analysis slated for Thursday’s edition.
snip
The plan, outlined by the president in stark, simple tones in a 20-minute speech from the White House library, is vintage George Bush – bull-headed, even delusional about the prospects for success in Iraq in the eyes of critics; resolute and principled in the eyes of admirers. It is the latest evidence that the president is convinced that he is right and that history will vindicate him, even if that vindication comes long after he is gone from the Oval Office.
snip
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0110.html
Rushton @ 74
excellant, whenever they have a term they want to use we just use the more accurate term
“surge” though doesn’t eaual troop buildup because we aren’t building up troops we’re taking assets from areas already under pressure
we need a better term then “surge” “escalation” or “buildup”
“heave” might be the most accurate, I think thatls where we should go with this
Condoleezza Rice hearts Fox News.
twolf1 @ 83
“Fox News” = greatest oxymoron of the Holocene epoch.
Blank Kludge @ 63
I wrote a long comment here a few days ago on the AUMF. It’s point was that the purposes of the AUMF against Iraq either were already met or never existed. The AUMF is invoked but is no longer actually read, but it can no longer serve as a legal justification for our presence in Iraq.
Perris @ 84,
How about “throes?”
perris @ 84
Splooge.
Quick drive-by w/o time to read post & comments on this thread:
Some comments in previous thread re. hearings this a.m. If there’s anyone who got to watch the entire thing, could you plez leave an over-all reaction as to how it went? Thanks much & I’ll check back later.
Also, if you hear of re-run time on C-Span1 or 2, please give a shout; I don’t get 3.
twolf – I’m depending on you on this one *g*
But RW, then at least another thousand die! Would you feel that way if it were your kid?
What happened to that list of Republiscams that were against the escalation before that ineffective speech? Are they for the escalation after they were against the escalation? I’d rather at least show some backbone and try to stop Bush from this disaster, whatever it takes. Even Hillary finally took a position. Surely that means a majority of Americans are against escalation, since she’s spent her life with her finger in the wind. Besides, Bush’s “year” always seems to end up being two years. Next thing you know, we’re into the next administration. We’ll own the war by then anyway. Might as well start taking charge now.
semi OT? – more on the Irbil raid
Richmond @ 75
Lamont should consider using his mailing list to organize a response to Liebermans insanity.
Ann- another 1,000 WILL die- there’s no way of stopping it. Fighting over whether or not to allow the idiot in chief to send a few more troops may be politically necessary for the dems- but it has nothin much to do with the big picture..
Most americans want to begin a pull out in the next year…that’s possible.
Waccamaw @ 90
I don’t have C-SPAN3 either. Was just catching CNN’s spotty (at best) coverage. I will keep an ear/eye open for a replay though :)
perris @ 84
How bout repositioning, or taking out of retirement.
kemo @
66
I have a small disagreement with this theory. In view of the neocons being only part of an ad hoc cabal that siezed the moment, I don’t think the true neocons ever desired peace after Iraq. I think Ledeen is the poster boy for the neocon Chaos Theory, the same thinking as Norquist’s bathtub economics conversion, that believe true change comes in destroying the order, not simply changing the characters.
This might help explain the coincidental neocon influence that somehow chose destructive policies over workable, reasonable solutions…the ones implemented mostly by Bremer.
Karl Rove was once asked in an interview who it was that he sought when he needed advice…just one man, he had said…and that was Ledeen. In another reference, Ledeen boasted that even some of his unsolicited suggestions would quickly pop up in the preznit’s policies.
Now, if this is close to what’s happened and if those folks are still calling the shots, which I think they are, then their goal is likely a destruction of the order to enable a rebirth of the entire ME, except for that little country the neocons also hold hostage. This is certainly not for the benefit of Israel as every neocon policy actually increases the risk for her security.
WaPo did a poll after the speech:
42% of americans said they watched it
34% approve of Clusterfuck’s handling of the war. (up six points since december)
36% approve his “plan”- 61% oppose..
Support is higher among those who heard the speech- they are of course more gooper than the general population.
EPU’d
rumi @ 149
Here’s some background on the Ambassador to Switzerland: http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/26750
Who Is Pamela Willeford? http://www.washingtonlife.com/…..s/lb03.jpg
twolf1 @ 95
wapo is streaming it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01139.html
punaise @ 53
There is no way we can lose the war on terror. We could sustain a 911 every few years with minimal damage to ourselves or our economy. Think of the large numbers of Americans who die each year because of smoking, traffic deaths, or gun violence. It is the political exploitation of terror by our own government which is the real danger and along with that its expenditures of American lives and treasure in ill-conceived foreign adventures.
As for terrorist incidents, these burn themselves out when and if the original irritant is removed. The principal irritants at the moment are 150,000 Americans sitting in Iraq, bellicose language against Iran and Syria, and 40 years of complicity in a brutal Israeli occupation of Palestine. Remove these and most (not all) of the impetus for terror would be gone.
I made a hellacious, wicked-cool comment but it’s in moderation….:-( hope it comes through.
[Mod Note; refreshing your screen does wonders for hellacious, wicked-cool comments.]
rwcole @ 97
Newspeak is here. This is a “plan”?
Given the likely sample size of the poll (tiny, right?) 6 points up from December is within the margin of error.
I was exceedingly grateful that I had a rehearsal last night at 7 when the Chimperor was reading. I’d’ve felt obliged to listen, otherwise.
BC
Webb up to question Rice now.
He’s sooooo smart and I am very grateful to Virginians for electing him and defeating Felix.
Webb asking the question about whether the Prez thinks he has the authority to unilaterally attack IRAN. (oh thank you, sir!)
Rice asks that it be submitted in writing and will not answer for the Prez.
rwcole @ 94
I believe most Americans want to start a de-escalation now or very soon, and want to be done with it within a year. You don’t think it can be done, but we’ll never know if we don’t try.
angie @
104
What was CNN showing that had some guy questioning Pace and Gates?
Chimp live on CNN in GA
My question in all this is where is our brand new phantom Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, you know the guy who was going to restrain George Bush and temper his policies with a stiff dose of realism. I’m assuming we haven’t seen him because of all the time he’s spending at the KoolAid bar.
Chimpy on CNN in GA – “i m proud to b your commanderin’ chief and honored to have lunch wit ya”
(i’s been doin lotsa commanderin’)
-i fully understand that in times of danger, military families make a great sacrifice.
Webb:
Things sure are different from when I was in the Pentagon and that is that the Executive thinks it has the power to launch a pre-emptive war.
Webb sez that Bush should get on a plane to Tehran…
Filibuster News
“Senate Minority Leader McConnell held a call with a few bloggers and journalists this morning,” according to the Power Line blog. “He supports the president’s plan for a surge, which he views as ‘courageous and correct.’”
“McConnell said he was ‘hopeful’ of keeping enough Republicans to muster the 40 votes needed to block a resolution (which in any case would be non-binding),” Paul Mirengoff blogs at Power Line. “McConnell added that he looks forward to the support of Sen. Lieberman. However, he could not say that any other Democrats will join the Connecticut Senator.”
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0111.html
I’m liking George Webb more by the second.
Chimpy on CNN @ Ft. Benning – invokes sept 11th
“i knew that, right after the attacks, the amurikan psyche being what it is, they would forget about the attacks… i knew that.”
WTF
Who is George Webb?
EvilDrPuma @ 113
Chimpy on CNN @ Ft. Benning – typical 3rd grade book report diction.
*xyz @ 109
This is smelling like a bluff to me, since before the speech, we know there were plenty of Thugs who wanted no part of Dubya’s escalation. Was a sufficient number so captivated by Der Shrubbenfuhrer’s compelling presentation as to do a one-eighty? I doubt it.
EvilDrPuma @ 113
Jim Webb, EDP…..
George Webb
;)
twolf1 @ 114
That $%^&*! He told us to forget about it, just go out and buy stuff!
Impeach or 25th-amendment now!
(Oh, yeah: my contempt for JoeL is only slightly less than my contempt for Shrub.)
raven @ 112
George Webb is actually Jim Webb. I must have slipped into a parallel dimension for a minute there.
Great Post Peterr.
The thing that gets me is that the surge (stupid as THAT is) evidently is not actually going to be a surge at all. It’s going to be a trickle. The 20,ooo are not all marching in at once.
Their increased presence will not be noticable this way. It is hte only way to make this dumb idea, dumber.
twolf1 @ 116
My third grade grand daughter resents the comparison.
Retract, or improve or I’ll show it to her when she gets home from school. And she’ll write her own response to you.
Thanks, I just wanted to make sure I hadn’t missed something.
Jim Webb, EDP…..
EvilDrPuma @ 121
Chimpy on CNN @ Ft. Benning – 2006 turned out differently than i had anticipated
-they cant stand the thought of a free society
-tryin to disperse sectarian violence
-the situation in eyerak is difficult. it’s a diff time in irak… because of the sec violence.. its important for the amurkin people to understand that failure would b a disaster.
-if we fail there they will follow us here (didnt know they had a navy/airforce)
emboldened
stream of Gooper talking points/cliches spewing forth from the chimps maw
twolf1 @ 114
I cannot believe the didn’t go NUTZ when he connected Iraq to 9/11
looseheadprop @ 119
Trust Bush to do the most idiotic possible thing in the most idiotic possible way while offering the most idiotic possible rationale.
If anybody sees EPU please let the universe know that I responded to the request at the bottom of the last thread.
Thanx
Chimpy on CNN @ Ft. Benning – if we were to leave b4 job done, iran would get nukes and nuke us.
-people in future generations will say: “what happened to them, why couldnt they see the threats?” that is why we must succeed in irak
EvilDrPuma @ 127
I’ve said it before and I’m gonna keep saying it;
it’s as if he has bin laden’s play book and does exactly what the man asks him to do..it’s as if they are in league together
perris @ 123
I’m sure he’s talking to a hand-picked audience of drones. Why would Bush change a losing strategy?
He’s talking to soldiers at Benning.
I’m sure he’s talking to a hand-picked audience of drones. Why would Bush change a losing strategy?
perris @ 130
Did you know that Bin Laden’s brother is said to have been one of Shrub’s partner’s in Arbusto?
EvilDrPuma–
This is a very good moment for constiuents of red state senators to make a call and send some email. Here’s the list of the republican class of 08.
Lamar Alexander, Tennessee;
Wayne Allard, Colorado;
Saxby Chambliss, Georgia;
Thad Cochran, Mississippi;
Norm Coleman, Minnesota;
Susan Collins, Maine;
John Cornyn, Texas;
Larry Craig, Idaho;
Elizabeth Dole, North Carolina;
Pete Domenici, New Mexico;
Michael Enzi, Wyoming;
Lindsey Graham, South Carolina;
Chuck Hagel, Nebraska;
James Inhofe, Oklahoma;
Mitch McConnell, Kentucky;
Pat Roberts, Kansas;
Jeff Sessions, Alabama;
Gordon Smith, Oregon;
Ted Stevens, Alaska;
John Sununu, New Hampshire;
John Warner, Virginia.
I’d appreciate it if people who do make calls let me know what responses they hear at 21LittleSenators AT gmail.com.
I’ve talked to Collins’ office, and she is in the no escalation, no reduction in troop levels camp.
raven @ 129
I know where he is and who he’s addressing. Another prop audience, the only kind he ever deals with.
Chimpy on CNN @ Ft. Benning – shorter chimp: see, we’re not gunna take part of the city and then give it up, we’re gunna take it and hold it.
(kind of seemed like an obvious strategerie to me)
soldiers are not allowed to show a negative reaction to the commander in chief- that’s why Clusterfuck loves ta speak to em.
Apparently he’s got his whistle stop tour thingee goin again- three or four speeches a week..It never works- that’s why he keeps doin it.
Bargain Countertenor @ 20
I think a more appropriate metaphor for the Bush administration would be the motto of my fictional tool-abusers anonymous:
“When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a screwdriver.”
Chimpy on CNN @ Ft. Benning – calling for the iraqi troops to step up and for the iraqi gov’t to step up. it’s everyone’s fault but mine heh heh heh
Chimpy on CNN @ Ft. Benning – someone needs to get the hook
Bush keeps talking about failing in Iraq using the conditional and subjunctive in the future tense: “if we fail in Iraq . . .” I’m afraid we are already in the past tense with that one, Mr. President.
What would this “future” failure look like, that we aren’t already seeing? “Iran would be emboldened . . .” Would be? They aren’t emboldened by our failures already?
Off topic,but here’s a little story that caught my eye…
http://www.optruth.org/index.p…..Itemid=151
so much for ’support our troops’.
How many magnetic stickers will it take to fix this sh*t?
rwcole @ 134
Exactly…he talks to troops because they’re a ready-built prop audience. Apart from killing or dying on command, that’s all they’re worth to Der Shrubbenfuhrer.
Chimpy on CNN @ Ft. Benning – cnn cut him off. not one network here is carrying the rest of the speech. not even Fux News
Some of the idiots discussing “The Speech” last night were sayin that his White House speeches don’t do so well- but he’s REALLY good when he goes on the road (think it was Scarborough who was sayin it).
Yeah- BIG SUCCESSES! Like his fucked up social security plan that he presented about a zillion times and every time they heard it- americans hated it more..
There is some psychological quirk that REQUIRES him to go on the road and give these fuckin stupid speeches- a major disorder that won’t allow him to stay in the office and WORK!
rwcole @ 137
Think anyone in the media will comment this time when he stops after one or two, and claims he never said he was going to do more?
Nahhh, I don’t think so either.
Hugh @ 108
Takes a while to become thoroughly indoctrinated!
twolf1 @ 141
They at least used to pretend he was good TV. You know, like “The A-Team.”
Gates thinks this is the pivot point in Iraq
my question is, who is it that is in the white house feeding fuckwad the idea about the escalation?
it almost has to be cheney. the only other possibility is turd. i think it’s cheney. and if it’s cheney, it’s because iran really is next.
fuckwad does not have the balls to do this ON HIS OWN. he might think it’s the thing to do and want to do it, but somebody else is really in there with him.
cheney is a nasty piece of work but he isn’t stupid. he knows that 21,500 more troops won’t do it. the number has cheney’s fingerprints all over it. it’s so cynical. it’s look, people, we’ll send EXACTLY how many troops we want and you can FUCK. OFF. cheney knows that 21,500 troops will not win anything, but sending them will “make a statement” and little shitty tricks like raiding the iranian consul in Kurdistan are going to be used to “justify” a strike on iran, and the subsequent circle jerk neocon ejaculation will bring about the rapture.
anyway, that’s my two cents worth.
looseheadprop @ 133
it’s time we started making the connection, this is just rediculous, told he would be helping bin laden if he attacked Iraq, he attacked Iraq, telling him bin laden was at the foot hills of tora bora he sent the troops from tora bora, telling him we were about to be attacked using highjacked airliners he went of vacation
told to protect the infrasrtucture he left it unattended, told there were munition dumps the insurgents would use against our soldiers he left that unattended, told to give iraqi jobs to iraqis he gave them to his pals, told to go with a enough troops he went with far too few, told to go with the proper equiptment he went without it
told to guard against insurgents he insisted there wouldn’t be any, told not to let the police go with their firing gear he let them go with their firing gear
told not to divert the assets from afghanistan he diverted those assets
told not to heave soldiers from where they are needed to where they will make it more difficult to succeed that’s exactly what he does
this list is never ending and I don’t have the time to post it all
someone make the case that his man is not in league with our enemies
Clusterfuck’s got ADD– or “Ants in his Pants”- he can’t sit still- that’s why he’s never been ever to get anything right- it takes at least 10 minutes to hear both sides of an argument and make and intelligent decision- and his attention span is 10 seconds.
twolf1 @ 146
Gates also claims not to know how long the “temporary” escalation will go on. (Figure that out…a “plan” with “clear goals” and absolutely NO timetable.) Is anybody asking him for at least a Friedman Unit estimate?
rwcole @ 151
I think it is more “mental” than that. I doesn’t want to to listen to what anyone else is saying, so wants it to end as soon as he can get outa there.
perris @ 148
It’s far easier to simply make the case that his actions serve their purposes, whether that is conscious or not.
Watch Bushie last night and he definately did not speak with his usual Texas accent. What’s up with that?
perris @ 151
Bush is now diverting more troops from Afghanistan at a time when the Taliban is regrouping??
Iran, Syria denounce Bush’s Iraq plan
duh, so do 75% of Murkins
EvilDrPuma 121 says:
An Evil Parallel Universe, EDP? I thought that territory was designated to someone else!
Gates on CSPAN 3,
“Mistakes have been made.”
Why can’t these guys use the active voice when it’s a matter of taking responsibility? It’s like there is a mistake fairy out there tapping her wand, spraying whatever with her fairy dust, and voila there’s a mistake.
The Clusterfuck Texas accent comes out when he is playin the “Rube” one of his favorite parts..He tries to pretend to be as stupid as he perceives southerners to be- which is very stupid indeed.
But the Texas Rube is not allowed in the “Library”- so Clusteruck had to revert to another stock character- “The Frightened Simp”.
EvilDrPuma @ 153
i’d say friedmans to the tenth power….
JPL @ 157
That’s the only place he can get them from quickly. There’s a division in South Korea – can’t use them, they’re keeping the North from invading (mostly by keeping anyone else from invading NK). There’s two divisions in Europe – they’re our NATO troop commitments; pull them and NATO goes ballistic, plus we’d lose our bases in Germany: guess where Ramstein is? Everyone else is in training (new
suckersrecruits) or already there or scheduled for rotation.rwcole @ 161
68% of Southerners polled said they were against the escalation (MSNBC)……
perris @ 130
I couldn’t agree more!
LHP – I saw it. Thanks. And if I do email you I will give you a heads up.
fahrender @
162
Gigafriedmans
70 percent.
Number of Americans who oppose sending more troops to Iraq, according to a new AP-Ipsos poll. “Just 35 percent think it was right for the United States to go to war, a new low in AP polling and a reversal from two years ago, when two-thirds of Americans thought it was the correct move.”
Everyone should soon realize that the “Surge” is pure bullshit..
He knew he needed to appear to do something different- and this gives that appearance without doin anything really at all. He’s bringing the troop complement temporarily back to where it was last year by bringing troops in a little earlier and lettin em go home a little later- it’s a NOTHING- hopes to buy time by changing the subject from how he’s failing to his “New Way Forward”..
The right response is to point out that he ain’t really doing anything at all!
jayackroyd says:
Why are so many of them listed twice? Thought there were like 49 Republiscam Senators. Could some be missing?
More from the AP-Ipsos poll story:
Democrats are far more inclined to oppose an increase of troops, with 87 percent against the idea, compared to 42 percent of Republicans. Overall, 52 percent of Republicans support an increase in troops, although some key GOP constituencies are opposed. For example, 60 percent of white evangelical Christians oppose the idea and 56 percent of self-described conservatives are opposed.
The GOP base isn’t buying this either, looks like. I think the obituaries are getting to them.
Who will stand with the president?
Who will stand with the president who sacrificed 3,019 American lives for his ego?
Who will stand with the president who sacrificed the careers of some of our best and most honorable military leaders, for his ego?
Who will stand with the president who would sacrifice his own party for his ego?
Who will send 20,000 of our American sons and daughters?
Who will send 20,000 of our American brothers and sisters to Iraq?
Who will have blood on their hands?
Webster defines mistake as; to misunderstand the meaning or intention of.
It is a stretch of the imagination to think that the volume and gravity of mistakes, made by this administration was unintentional.
OT – Roger Ailes To Be Honored For His Contributions To Press Freedom, First Amendment
Evil Parallel Universe @ 166
I just went in and checked it. cleaned out tons of spam and at the bottom of all the list found an old email from Lotus.
I miss the beautiful flowah
twolf1 @ 172
Dear God in Heaven. The stench from that choice is enough to knock a fly off the rotting corpse of the Bill of Rights.
Measured Waas, Cut Luntz
Could one of you well-informed people tell me where to find some kind of chart/timeline thingie that shows the the number of US troops that have been in Iraq at intervals during the occupation? Or something similar for Afghanistan? Because I’m wondering if this “surge” only brings them up to previous troop strengths.
Fern
Oil is currently trading in the $52-53 range.
I’m wondering how long it will take (if at all) for markets to digest the increased threat posed by Bush’s new Iraq policy with its potential for conflict with Iran, disruption of oil flows, and an inevitable deterioration of the already bad situation in Iraq.
new thread – free fitz!
…too late, RBG got it
Soon the American populaton will be forced into conservation of oil and the use of alternative energy sources. What else are ya gona do if Iraq and Iran are in flames?
Fern,
USAToday had a graphic up on Iraq troop levels with this news story today:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w…..htm?csp=24
rwcole @ 137
Nice to know that his entire job consists of cheerleading a failed strategy in the hopes of raising positives from 28 to 32%
Hugh @ 180
Thanks – exactly what I was looking for. By the way, what does “Iraq region” mean in that graphic?
Ann in AZ @
170
Because I idiotically hit the paste button twice. I’ve since fixed it.
Bu$hitCo, evil as it is, is brilliance, pure and simple.
People always keep talking about how foolish Bush and his cronies are, etc. Well, perhaps at one level yes. They are mostly willing patsies; sadistic sociopathic patsies; but their dysfunctions, and Bush’s in particular, serve the plan better than ever imagined! Let’s face it, Bush serves other masters; the real “owners” of this country. Their attitudes are not exactly pro-people or pro-democracy. Nth generation inherited economic royalists rarely are. Bush is their image, their man of action and perfect deceiver to the addle-brained masses!
So, inflame the middle-east, let them kill each other—excellent!! Actions every week show that as part of the plan, even now. Hang Saddam, raid Iranian border and capture their diplomats and piss off the Kurds. Back Shia, enemies of Saudi Arabia our “ally”, friends if Iran, yet threaten Iran with talk of air strikes, Israel going nuclear, etc. There is no strategy here that is positive in any normal sense that most expect; hence the label of stupid, obstinate, etc. Well, label Bush that at your own peril!
If you evaluate it from a point of view of power and control of the worlds most critical resource, Oil, by the very few, then it makes perfect sense. Sign those coerced fraudulent 30 year leases–just an excuse to build the bases, lock down the oil pipelines and a new justification for military presence. Let the Mideast burn. The United Chritianistas of Dubfuckistan will whoop with joy. Let Israel go nuclear–get rid of more brown-skins!!
In the end, you secure the oil for yourselves, you inflame the world, you install real fear in the sheeple and you destroy a few more western cities in the process. Of course, get the sheeple to go along by promises of preserving their already tenuous lifestyle; based on so much pillaging of the rest of the world. It’s all good. The uber-wealthy who control this; who push this agenda, have no allegiance to any one nation or people and certainly not to “democracy or other quaint notions of egalitarianism! The real bottleneck that could stop them an America reawakened to its core principles–liberty and justice for all, and all men are created equal. An America that, for all its flaws and past mistakes, could lead the world against their feudal agenda!
So, how to get the juicy plum of America, with its vast resources and military? Infect the Air Force with your duh-American Chritianistas. I’m sure the Navy is right up there too. Fuck the army, who needs them when you got nukes and the means to deliver them in an increasingly Hobbesean world with stark choices? You can always get more cannon fodder from the ranks of the rapidly growing poor and destitute anyway or privatize it even more and keep on draining the treasury!! Destroy the middle class and pollute it with faux-values and empty promises of easy money with stock market, etc.; can’t have commoners with enough income, time or intelligence to ask “What the fuck…?”! Those few sheep who do make a bit more have their greed to feed so they are lost! Destroy America’s positive influence; dumb down and impoverish its people and hobble it with debt! If its people even tried to regain control, what could they do except be the new Argentina?
This is what many do not understand, if you want more democracy, more participation, more equal distribution of wealth then that will spell the end of these self-styled owners of this country, this world. There is only a finite amount of wealth, and wealth generating capacity in the world and way too many people. They know this very well, and I see all of this, the last 40 years, culminating in stolen elections, a sociopath as president and a totally corrupted party and damaged opposition party as part of an elaborate plan to destroy what this country could be. The goal, for them, is to hoard more of a pie they will never, ever need, nor rightfully earned in the first place.
Sure many of us understand Bush is “bad” etc., but what are the alternatives in the longer run? We cannot go back to business as usual of the last 50 years; resources are running out; ecosystems are dying; climates are changing; many will die; perhaps 80% of the world. What do you want to arise from this probability? I say “probability” because I still believe in human spirit and ingenuity to save most of the world and lead it to a better future (e.g. Star Trek vs. 1984 or Blade Runner). Alas, that will not happen with this crew, and not with our current economics or general philosophies based of selfishness, faux-morals, corrupted ethics, deficient education and, well, the mantra of “greed is good”; it’s not! Libertarianism is a poison, not a solution for society!
We have to start asking the real basic questions of our core assumptions. We have to be prepared to radically change our systems with an understanding of where we want to go. Half hearted measures and vain attempts to preserve the status quo will just keep on going further down the rabbit hole. That’s just conservatism–a philosophy of preserving the status quo of the haves at the expense and exploitation of the have nots.
Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Marx, the Scandinavian socialist model, European socialism—all these people and systems that conservatives and many “liberals” rail against are starting to look more and more prescient and brilliant, and the hope for a real future, if you measure against the benefits of a society and its people as a whole. The alternative we are heading toward is a 13th century medieval world enforced with 21st century technology and sociopathic knights called corporations. These self-styled “owners” of us all are quite brilliant and they have the resources to do all this. Sure a few nobles may be lost, but that’s to be expected! They are fighting for their very way of life that was crushed in the USSR, almost lost after FDR, and shaken further by the 1960’s revolts!!
That’s the real key in all this is who are you and what do you want (in that order)? What are your goals, ideas and dreams for the world? This determines whom and what you serve and allows you to judge what is “good” or “bad”. Not understanding yourself or what you think leads to very shaky principles informed by a nebulous understanding of the world and the alternatives available. You may judge good or bad, but you are hoodwinked in the process and change the players, but not the causes.
In the meantime, getting back to some equilibrium and framing Bush in simple terms is not a bad thing!
/rant
Professor Foland @ 34
Thank you. I realize that’s a difficult question to answer but thanks for giving me a start.
I really wish there was some way I could create a huge movement of people to refuse to pay that portion of our taxes. I keep hearing people say that we are not legally bound to pay federal taxes or some such. I am completely ignorant on the subject of taxes. Have you heard this argument or something like it?
mandrake @ 186
Mandrake,
Please don’t do this. The US Attorney will (eventually) prosecute you and throw you in prison.
You are legally obligated to pay your taxes. Period. There are folks out there who make a living by telling people they don’t have to pay their income taxes. You can avoid taxes, but you can’t evade taxes.
BC
rumi @
102
Have I said recently that FDL as the most hellacious and wicked-cool mods in the known universe? Thank you for what we never see.
Cheney successfully got another Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. No one can deny he’s a master at pulling Bush’s strings. To the Hague, one and all.
HotFlash @
188
yay! …the smartest thing I do is to keep coming back.
I’d like to thank and celebrate the sizzlin’-cool, passion for justice driven, hot, hot, hot dedicated moderators here. I have an uncontrollable urge to send them all flowers.
Thank you for what we never see.
..and tolerating simple fools like me.
;-)