
Way back in the mists of yesteryear, around the time I was graduating from law school, a lawyer in New York named Al Julien published a book called Opening Statements. He was a well known figure around Foley Square (the place in NYC where the courthouses and the federal buildings are) and had an office suite overlooking Foley. Unlike many weighty tomes written by lawyers which are all full of footnotes and citations and mostly serve to proclaim what a wonderful research assistant the writer had, Julien’s book was refreshingly useful and practical and read like a cookbook or other “how to” manual. I always liked that, and rummaged around in my bookshelves to dig it out for you. The pages are yellowing, but the information (especially about defense opening statements which we will deal with in a later post) is classic.
Here’s what he has to say about a good Opening Statement:
An opening statement can win the trial of a lawsuit. Delivered forcefully, magnetically, intelligently and emotionally, opening statements are an excellent conduit for success. Jurymen, in cases tried by effective advocates, have been known to say that once the opening statements were made there was nothing left to the case. This should be the prime objective of the opening statement.
In a criminal trial the prosecution opens first. In fact, the defense is not even required to open at all until after the prosecution has presented its entire case, all the witnesses and other evidence, and rested. Few defense counsel have the guts to wait that long and usually open immediately after the prosecution’s opening. There is a good reason for this:
The first impression is the most important. In jurisdictions where counsel may personally interrogate the jury, the preliminary impressions have already begun. But in the opening, the narrative, the outline of the flesh and bones of the case, the jury’s first impression harden like cement. No amount of instruction from the court that minds should not be made up until the conclusion of the case can prevent people from forming impressions. Impressions of counsel, of the honesty of his outline, impressions of the bona fides of his case, can all combine to win a case in opening. This is the psychological effect of primacy.A 1950’s television personality, rolled up his sleeves and made famous his opening line, ”tell yah what I’m gonna do.”
That’s the opening.
In the evidence we do what we told them we were “gonna do.” In summation we remind them what we “done did.”
The prosecution bears the burden of proof. To balance things out a little, Criminal Procedure Law allows the prosecutor to have the first word and the last word. He opens first and does the rebuttal summation last. This is good, because the first impression a juror makes of the case may be the only one that counts. A prosecutor’s opening is significantly less flamboyant than a defense opening. The prosecutor has a lot of information to get in and not too much time to do so. The normal structure of a prosecution opening is as follows:
Introduction of self, of co-counsel, and possibly non-lawyer members of trial team. If you’re smart you also introduce the defense counsel–it puts you in the role of “host of the party” and makes YOU the “go to” guy for information in the mind of the jury.
Reading the Indictment is a boring but necessary part of the prosecution opening. An intelligent prosecutor does not read it all the way through, but stops along the way to explain what the stilted and formal language means. This portion of PatFitz’s opening may sound very much like the prepared remarks portion of the press conference he held when he announced the indictment of Libby (though hopefully without the baseball umpire analogy, I never liked that one).
When you do something like that, you want to use a metaphor that is something every juror is likely to have experienced because you want them to relive the emotion they felt at the time. I don’t think too many jurors will have been baseball umpires with sand in their eyes. Though we certainly all understood what he was trying to say, it will not cause an evocative flashback to the frustration of knowing that you are been lied to and prevented from seeing what you should. However, most of us have had the experience of sitting behind a huge someone in a theatre and not being able to see the entertainment, or trying to use a steamed up mirror in a bathroom after we get out of the shower, or driving at night in dense fog, or of having someone lie to us to cover up something they have done that was wrong—these are common experiences and recalling them sets our collective teeth on edge, which in this case is what you want the jury to feel.
Introducing the parties and witnesses. The Parties are the Government, which is bringing the prosecution, and Libby, the defendant. The witnesses may be introduced by name or by function. For example, “you will also hear from a witness who will tell you how the White House email system archives emails ‘in the ordinary manner’.”
Narrative of events. This will further flesh out the rather bare bones facts in the indictment and is often, though not always, done in a timeline fashion. If the parties have stipulated to pre-marked exhibits, like an actual written timeline, you may see that used in the opening. Basis of guilt = “why do these events I just told you about mean that the Irving broke the law.”
Conclusion and request for a verdict of guilty.
A phrase you will often hear in the prosecution’s opening is “the evidence will show” or “the prosecution will present evidence that ….” or “we will prove”. This is because the opening is the preview of the evidence to come. It helps the jurors to look for the important bits and appreciate their importance even when the important part isn’t very dramatic compared to other testimony. This helps to counteract the Bright Shiny Object/ Dick Cheney is Too Sexy for His Shirt defense. It also help the jury keep the timeline straight in their heads for those instances where a witness will testify about several events that are scattered throughout the timeline and therefore, some evidence will come in that is out of sequence.
You can read more about opening statements here.
For fun, you can find the transcript of the actual prosecution opening statement from the trial of Susan B. Anthony (for daring to vote) here.



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LHP
ZED!
darn! coffee anyone?
mmmmmm…. coffffeeeeee…..
I need a little Fitzmas – make up for last night’s nightmares.
Twice Tweety has said twice on Imus, “Cheney always says kill”
in Reading the Indictment, 2nd graf, should “having someone lie to use to cover up something” be “having someone lie to us to cover up something” or do I need more coffee?
[Mod Note; nice catch, refresh and it should be fixed.]
Morning all. Still super down (and angry) about the new Bush military venture. How did the German populace feel as Hitler was furthering his war efforts to Poland and North Africa? And of course (as with the Fitz case) Hitler consolidated his power considerably through engagement through illegalities and moved to buttress himself with judiciary.
OT -CNN – Condi Shoeshopper on Live.
appointing tim carney to position of coordinator of something or other in eyerak – “Coordinator for Iraq Transition Assistance”
twolf1 @ 7
By her typos will you know her!
Folks,
Peterr is going to have a post up next about last night’s speech. He asked me to have you hold those comments until his thread is up.
OT -CNN – Condi Shoeshopper on Live.
- she is leaving for the ME tomorrow on diplomatic tour
-”the iraqis have devised their own strategrie”
- tough talk to Iran – do what we say then i will meet w/ you
- you too Syria – stop supportin’ those extreeeemists
Gates up now
OldCoastie @ 5
There will be a dose of Fitzmas coming your way pretty much every day until the goddesses and EW start live blogging the trial.
I thought there was a hearing yesterday, to continue with the motions in limine and perhaps some other stuff, including maybe the new CIPA issues.
But I’ve seen no coverage at all in the press. Anybody know if the hearing happened, and if so, what happened?
Some pretty grey area on what does and doesn’t relate to the speech?
looseheadprop @ 11
OT -CNN – Gates on Live.
- Surge will be across the board (all fronts?). both military and non-military.
- surge will be phased in, not be like d-day
- credibility of US is on the line in eyerak. everyone is watching to see how we can f#@k this up
-the violence in iraq could spread – this would embolden iran and jihadists and undermine US credibility.
looseheadprop @ 11
OK -LHP. Thanks.
lhp
thank you for the overview of the upcoming criminal trial.
what are the dangers of the opening statement – besides the obvious one of saying you are going to do/prove something and failing to do so?
OT -CNN – Gates on Live.
- will make army/marine troop increase permanent – 92k more troops added to forces
policy changes-
- mobilizations will be manages at unit level, not individual level
- reserves will be involuntarily for 1 year max instead of up to 16 mos.
- active force rotation – 1 yr deployed to 2 years home
- new program to compensate those ordered to deploy early or longer than normal
mmm, glad we’re getting back to this case.
Sounds like the opening statement is a nifty tool, one that sounds eerily similar to an introduction of a science article. I guess the rules of rhetoric don’t change that much from profession to profession.
OT -CNN – Gates on Live.
-all active branches exceeded recruiting in month of December
Jeff @ 14
I know that EW sent me an email about new Orders relating to the courtroom, #16 instead of 5, the overflow courtroom with live closed circuit feed and a hotspot for liveblogging, and the media room with closed circuit feed.
It seems there was a lot of “housekeeping” matters decided yesterday
raven @ 15
Dunno, haven’t seen his post.
I respectfully submit to the fitzster;
“suppose you are trying to read a perscription on a bottle of medicine your child needs to overcome poisen .
a person comes over, asks you what you are doing and when he finds out you are trying to find out what the prescription calls for he takes a deep drag from a cigar and blows it directly into your eyes making it impossible to save your child from the poisen”
something along those lines sounds good to me…I want to make it more severe then a sports analogy
Aw I liked the baseball umpire analogy. It was folksy and made him seem accessible.
It’s his schtick. He knows how to work it.
twolf1 @ 21
I believe the lowered their bar so the goal is easier to reach
not sure though, someone should check
looseheadprop @
13
oh goody. coffee and lhp and Fitz!
Thanks for this, LHP. Very educational. Almost makes me want to reconsider going to law school.
Almost.
The old saying goes about preaching that there’s a formula:
1. First ya tells them what you’re gonna tell them.
2. Then ya tells them.
3. Then ya tells them what ya told them.
Sounds familiar.
Jane Hamsher @ 25
did I say that my love for Jane Hamshir is without bounds?
if not, just did then
off to work, have a good mornin’ firedogs
perris @ 26
That’s what I was wondering. Also, it’s a great slogan for them – BushCo: Lowering the bar since January 20th, 2001.
twolf1 @ 21
They don’t tell anyone about the blackmail they use for recruiting, ie. either you re-up voluntarily (with a bonus) or we stop loss you (without one). Take your pick.
Sure, they can keep the recruiting numbers up that way if they include re-ups. Anyone know if they do?
RevDeb @ 29
then you tell them what they need to understand ;)
I, too, liked the baseball analogy. Even if one (me) doesn’t watch much baseball (not at all), it is easy to understand you can’t call a strike or a ball if someone has deliberately thrown sand in your face.
Or a boxer in a ring when his opponent (smaller, weaker) puts sand on his glove and punches you in the eye – blinding him. Now how is he to fight —
Obscuring the vision of the truth is bad. And the truth is what we all want.
Suzanne @ 18
Doing something to piss off or bore the jury. If they shut down on you, you are doomed. I judge the statewide mock trial competions each year. Soemtimes, a kid will get up on the opening and say something that is either offensive (as opposed to deliberatly provacative) or will just drone on in a singsong voice and I think to myself, how am I going to force myself to focus enough to give a grade to this?
Imagine you are a juror in the trial of the year.The press are everywhere. You get to see the courtroom scetch artists doing their thing. You are in the big ceremonial courtroom.
There may be famous faces in the gallery (hey Chritsy and Jane will be there).
There are more distractions than a 3 ring circus. If you don’t “connect” with these people from the getgo, game over.
You have a very short time to win them over. If they do not care what YOU are saying. If they are not engaged in YOUR case, they will never be able to focus and pay attention during the drier bits of testimony. They will daydream instead.
I did a long trial once in the spring. It was late April/early MAy and GSA did not turn on AC in the courthouse until June. We had a warm spell. Every hour on the hour, the judge would make all the jurors stand up, strecth and deep breath, so they wouldn’t doze off.
It was only partially sucessful. In that case, both Opening Statement (it wasn’t me so I’m not bragging) where killer. Just fabulous.
So, if they can drift off after a good opening, just imagine what happen after a bad opening
OK, still can’t get the disturbing mental picture of Dick Cheney as Right Said Fred in the I’m Too Sexy video… …the way he’s disco dancing…
RevDeb @ 32
Plus they increased the age allowed (45), lowered the test score requirements, and for forced returnees lowered mental health requrement (many sent back in on Prozac to “cut the pain” – a drug which a) decreases in effectiveness after a relatively short period, and b) can lead to increased suicidality. Oh, and I forgot, the recent flurry to put the dead and badly injured troops back into combat. Talk about fuzzy math!
RevDeb @ 29
They tell you that in divinity school? That’s what they tell you in legal writing class!
The Dips at the WaPo are talking about how 2 bloggers have passes to Irving’s trial.
Funny thing how they don’t mention our team . . . in which case, they won’t know what hit them.
Again, selective writing by the govt’s press.
GrandmaJ @ 34
Oh, I don’t disagree with you or Jane that it was clear and understandable, or that it gave Pat “reguar guy” cred.
It’s just, for an opening statement, you literally want to be evocative. You want people to experience a feeling and picture things in their minds, almost like a flashback.
Same thing with the closing. One of the best closings in the world, and I wasn’t there I heard about it later from an FBI agent, was a closing Fitz did where he talked aboout a woman who had died in a terrorist bombing. Her name had hardly come during the testimony in the trial, but all hte info he was relying on in the closing had been admitted into evidence and virtually overlooked.
He made the jury care about this one victim and they experienced for the first time, along with him, the grief and sense of loss and outrage over her death.
Said agent heard some of them talking in the hallway after the verdict as theywere leaving. They were so connected to her, that they were discussing whether it would be possible to find her family.
THAT my friends is how you do it.
twolf1 @
16
Bush’s speech has been a success from WH perspective. They’ve set the terms of discussion. The topic is now whether or not to surge, rather than whether to withdraw. The discussion has moved to how best to achieve success, rather than “What the hell do you mean by success, and what makes where the hell have you been that you think that’s achievable?”
looseheadprop @ 38
I think our professions have a lot in common that we don’t ordinarily think about.
do you have to list all the evidence in your opening statement? are you limited to only that which you say you are going to introduce?
have a good one – off to work.
OT
Carter has agreed to speak at Brandeis U. This had been controversial because they first wanted him to debate Dershowitz (yech) and he said no to that. Now it will be a short presentation and a much longer Q & A.
I hope someone will be recording this. It could be very interesting.
Suzanne @ 43
If you are smart, you talk about only those items you need to make out the 4 corners of your indictement (your prima facia case) PLUS any smoking guns, so they will start thinging it’s hopeless for the defense and why doesn’t this fool just plead out. Plus anything that is important yet dull and might otherwise not be noticed by the jury.
Great post LHP. I can’t wait to see Fitz and I hope my MW book gets here in time. It will be like I’m in the theatre with my Playbill.
Is it still possible (rather: likely) that he WILL plead? I would think no, based on the fact that it has gone this far.
ccmask @ 47
I know what you mean. I pre-ordered a copy and hope to have it for my airplane reading when I go down to DC
Let’s see, the strike in Somalia didn’t take out the top Al Qaeda operatives that were supposed to be targeted.
Swing and a miss.
Also, China and Russia have snubbed the the US at a summit.
Also, Bush is now arresting Iranian diplomats in Iraq.
Starting to smell like more war and more war.
-GSD
And go git ‘em Fitz.
thanks lhp
how much of the trail do you hope to see?
Richmond @ 48
You mean plead before jeopardy has attached? (which happens after the jury is selected, upon their swearing in)
Legally, yes of course. As a matter of human nature? I think probably not. This trial has gained so much momentum, I don’t think Scooter is even thinking anywhere along those lines.
The next most likely place i would start looking for Scooter’s nerve to fail would be at close of the government’s case (or after some smoking gun witness or document, if Pat has one).
The other place, will be if Scooter’s big witness (Cheney?) doesn’t score.
Thnx LHP – nice post!
blue e @ 51
I plan on being at the opening and have managed to keep my own litigation calendar open on the two days that is likely to occur.
I have a vague hope of coming back for the Summation, but have no clue if that is possible. I have two cases that may have gone to trial before US v. Libbby is finished, so I may not be free to travel.
It all depends when the Summations happen.
During the weeks of the trial, I may have several business trips to DC and will try to pop in, if I can. Getting a pass to the courtroom is no small feat, so a casual “stop in” may be impossible
Another OT
Marching further into obscurity, Harold Ford is to become the chair of the DLC. Whoop de do.
raven @
6
looseheadprop @ 52
If some of the needed evidence is related to national security concerning Iran and if we are engaged in military action with Iran at the time of the trial, will that affect the use of that evidence?
OT – i missed a few posts yesterday, hopefully this isn’t old news:
DLC Taps Harold Ford as Next Chair
…now back to your regularly scheduled LHPost…
RevDeb @
55
ya scooped me. here’s some free ice cream
rumi @ 56
All the national security evidence that is going to be used in this trial has either been declassified or a suitable substitute (such as a summary) has been made during the CIPA process
RevDeb @
39
Media Bloggers Association is doing a media campaign to talk about what they’ve got. We still don’t know exactly which seat(s) they’re putting us in. Once we do, we’ll start bragging that we’ve got seats–and a really good sense of this case.
harry reid live on cnn and cspan2
WP – Bloggers at the Libby Trial
emptywheel @ 60
It’s not just the press pass, it’s the background and brains to use it well.
Marcy, Christy and Jane=total package!
emptywheel @ 60
You and the team have a better sense of this case than anyone outside of Fitz’ office. That’s where my money is at (literally as well).
We out here in cyberspace are so PROUD of our group of brilliant Plameologists.
GO GET ‘EM!
Theatre. I know/have known lotsa lawyers and judges. One thing I have observed is the emotional ramping up for trial, particularly criminal.
LHP, this is a great description of how and why that happens.
Also why I think a lot of lawyers use drugs and alcohol–the drama of each day, unwinding, re-winding.
Glad we will have good blogging for the good lawyering.
“To balance things out a little, Criminal Procedure Law allows the prosecutor to have the first word and the last word.”
Actually, as a psychologist and a lawyer, I can tell you this doesn’t balance things out (and, with regard to the upcoming trial, I’m GLAD it doesn’t). People overwhelmingly tend to remember the first and last things they hear. The “middle muck” gets lost — so good defense atty’s compensate for that human psych. propensity in a variety of ways. The Paul Weiss gang, and I’ve worked with several of them, compensate with repetition.
Go get ‘em, Team Fitz.
Who is the Media Bloggers Association and what history, if any do they have in succesfully covering this case?
I think this is juxt about “branding” for them.
If you read the rest of the article, there is some hooey about creating “elite Bloggers” with permanent credentials.
Uh, guys, isn’t the whole idea supposed to be “citizen journalists”? Kinda like Minutemen plowing the fields with the flintlock at your side ever ready to spring into action on an as-needed basis, yet maintaing your normal, feet-on-the-ground life throughout?
Just sayin’s all
After hearing Bush invoke Lieberman last night I just wanted to take a second here and thank Jane for effort she put into trying to get that guy out of office. HELL OF AN EFFORT! Much respect. That guy IS the linchpin for disaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bg @ 65
I used to have a terrible temper. Very hard to keep under control.
The more I do litiagtion, and the bigger the cases and the bigger my role in them as my career has progressed, the less and less confrontational I have become in my private life. I just get enough of that during the day, I don’t need any when I get home.
More recently, I have even started stripping the drama out of my professional life. I find the more sweet tempered and professional I am, the more confounded my adversaries become.
I don’t think I could have pulled off that strategy when I wasa younger woman, /c I would have been dismissed as a lightweight and a creampuff.
The advantage of getting older is that I am no longer fighting to dispell the “little girl” image that plagued me as a younger lawyer.
Stress management, especailly if you are a litagator, is critical to your own survivial.
Rosie @ 66
That’s what I’m saying. To balance out the unfairness of the Prosecution having the burden of proof, it gets the first and last word.
looseheadprop @ 67
Yep. That’s what it’s supposed to be. When Charley on the MATA from BlueMassGroup and I were asked to meet with Kerry last Oct. we were dubbed “press.” I have to say it was really strange. We are just folk expressing opinions online in a communal setting. It was a whirlwind of a day, but then, back to work for a living. Next time it will be someone else.
But the Ladies of the Lake, that is a different matter. It is oh so obvious that the last election has shown the pols and the pundits that they ignore the blogs at their peril. Nothing like a good blogswarm to bring a story into public view no matter how the trad. med. tries to bury it.
LHP: Okay. That makes more sense. Rosie
lhp: there’s a chance I may be there to cover voire dire. What should I be looking for?
“Elite bloggers”, I guess they will have access to the cocktail weenies as well.
Thanks for the posts lately lhp.
OT – chimpy on CNN live – giving medal of honor
also-sec of state about to testify b4 senate foreign relations cmte.
CNN Poll live: What is your overall reaction to President Bush’s revised Iraq plan? Positive 25%, negative 75%
looseheadprop @ 69
I’m curious, counselor, the role of rugby in controlling temper, stress management, etc.?
Speaking as someone who retired from rugby to that sissy no-referee sport of ultimate, you understand.
not funny at all – b/c had he mentioned Team AllKnowingEstrogen, it would have ruined his Concern Troll pap about the rabble that is all bloggers, oh so cleverly disguised as a newstory allowing on line media to participate – why, did you know that according to Media Resource Center there were 69 lawsuits filed against . . .and he would have been denied that groovy graphic from Pew about Bloggers Without Standards . . .:)
mornin’ all
Pachacutec @ 73
Pach,
lhp covered it very well HERE.
To hell with the war. According to Dickhead Morris, Americans are outraged about the day off congress took for the football game on Monday.
Is there a pundit more irrelavent than Morris?
-GSD
P.S.
Three explosions rock the heart of Irans’ oil rich south Khuzestan province.
The beginning of the end?
Pachacutec @ 73
i’ll send you an emai with my phone #. We need to talk about pictures anyway. It would take me the rest of the day to type out the answer to your question.
Not only is my typing inaccurate, it is slow
Since the AirAmerica station in the Boston area had it’s knees cut out from under them and turned into “Rumba Radio”, Mr. Rev. got me XM for Xmas which I haven’t had time to have installed. Gotta get myself together and get over there and do the deed. The AAR live stream sucks lemons.
So much to do to fix this country. SO little time.
See y’all later.
LHP–also, teh title of this post. I like the idea that this (trial) is the beginning of Teh End.
U.S. troops storm Iranian consulate in Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6251167.stm
GSD @
80
Link goes to “Article not found.” :(
looseheadprop @ 59
For some reason, I just don’t seem to trust Team Libby/Cheney to not try to turn a trick of some sort.
:-)
Thanks for the answer and for the excellent post.
twolf1 @ 85
I found that same link, several actually, that got ‘disappeared’
emptywheel @ 77
When I was at an undislcosed IG’s office, I had this bullpen full of investiagtors. Huge room of rowdy guys.
There would be hiatus from Thanksgiving (after the NY 7’s tournament on Thankgiving Saturday) until St. Patricks Day (Savanah Tournament–yahoo!)
The guys used to have a countdown calendar till spring rugby started. they swore that within 2 weeks of not tackling that I descended into shrewish bitchdom. One really big guy used to offer to let me run into him full tilt to blow out aggression during January and February.
I never took him up on it, too unprofessional for office behavior. I couldn’t have been all THAT bad, those guys are still my friends and we still get together for drinks or to barbeque, so maybae they were just razzing me?
Wierd, the link works for me.
-GSD
GSD @ 80
Good Grief! Did we bomb Iran?
please excuse me for joining in late (i haven’t read the preceeding comments) and being OT too boot… but is anyone else listening to c-span3 for the senate armed services committee hearing (rice on the dock) on bush’s plan for iraq.
biden is up now doing his intro…
The link worked for me, too. And wasn’t it convenient that Reuters mentioned all the different people inhabitating the region. I guess they were trying to infer that it was internal strife, not American black ops.
Do you believe them?> Not I, said a citizen.
looseheadprop @ 90
now it worx
I am more inclined to believe that there are CIA assets in Iran who are working with disillusioned locals, separtists and others in order to foment domestic unrest.
Kinda like what was done in the 1950’s.
-GSD
Rebel: ‘We aided bin Laden escape’
…funny, bush could say the same thing.
Rice now lying on CNN.
GrandmaJ @ 92
what is that quote from ron suskind’s reporting?…
we’ve got to learn to get out ahead of them, before reality on the ground is changed again.
looseheadprop @ 90
probably not:
http://english.farsnews.com/ne…..8510210160
GSD @ 94
I rather see it as a two fold action 1) to tie up Iran oil/profits; and 2) to incite an attack against Israel AND/or US property, thus to justify a nuclear attack on our part. The same with the attack on a “sovereign” Iran embassy in Iraq (that is also an attack on the concerned country)” What exactly were the factors that led to WWI again….?
Controlled Explosions. . .Don’t Panic yet
Sally @ 96
is it her live testamony before the senate armed services committee? she’s on c-span3 now too.
selise @ 91
watching her lying now– the wapo is also streaming it.
oh thank you, angie @ 102. i so didn’t want to listen w/o some moral support!
looseheadprop @ 88
Spring rugby? Hiatus? Where I played club, there was no such thing!
You were just working in too cold a climate, I think.
selise @ 103
;)
she just demonized Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hizbollah. SOS.
lhp
Thank you deeply, truly, for another wonderful informative post. Like many other pups I suspect, ianal, but am intensely interested in this stuff, and how it all “works”, especially when a master is at work – yeah, you too lhp, as well as Mr. Fitz *g*. It’ gotta be an absolute art to explain all the details to layfolk. You are gifted, typos & all. (there aren’t THAT many typos, folks; but speaking of same, thanks also to the proofreaders. this stuff will be read and reread by many people outside FDL as well as in – methinks it’s dang important to have copy as clean as possible – so thanks to the nitpickers also ;->)
lhp at 13. You mention liveblogging. I asked about that possibility a few days ago & never noticed anyone reply (could-a missed one, tho; we’ve been kinda busy here).
Are you reasonably certain the judge will allow liveblogging IN the courtroom?! Seems too good to be true.
raven @
100
The link takes me to a subscriber sign in screen. Can you summarize the article?
angie @ 105
I wonder what her shoes look like?
raven @ 100
You know the deal – as with port situation in Florida, ongoing shifting on who/what: it was terrorist related, it was not. This all seems to me like manipulation (of Iran – and US!).
Condi wants u to understand that she feels the heartbreak felt by families of those killed in Iraq.
Adie @ 106
hey…I found your reply on a ’several threads ago’ discussion we had but comments were closed by the time I found it.
Thanks.
twolf1 @ 108
Is she a muckalucka?
shorter condi – can’t we all just get along?
angie @ 105
SOS indeed. …and while i’m watching the tea leaves for hints wrt to iran and plans for wider war, i’m most interested in what our senators will do. will there be the big difference i’m hoping for? a bit of a difference?
Adie @ 106
There are going to be 2 courtrooms. The “real” courtroom #16 and an overflow courtroom, which will have closed circuit TV. To encourage some of the press to use the overflow courtroom, there is supposed to be a hotspot there.
100 seats have been reserved in the “live” courtroom for the press. Kinda like an airplane, they have to be in their seats a set amount of time before the day’s proceedings begin or someone flying standby will get their seat for the day.
It must be a total nightmare for the guy giving out the press passes. I am assuming they are using a big ceremonial courtroom (which are usually able to hold 200ish) which means there will be some seats reserved for friends and family of teams Fitz and Irving and the rest will be given ot the public (by what method I have no idea)
twolf1 @ 113
by doing whatever dear leader tells us all to do….
twolf1 @ 110
i agree about the boots. if those hip-high stiletto-heel shiny black things, watchout! – no matter whut she sez…
Adie @ 106
To be clear, NO liveblogging in the “live courtroom”.
In addition to the oveflow courtroom, they are going to have closed circuit TV of the trial in the media room (formerly known as the pressroom–bloggers make their mark again) in the courthouse.
twolf1 @ 93
Michelle must have got my email and got right on the problem
:-D
shorter McCain – if funding for war is cutoff, Dems have to take full responsibility for the whole mess.
Watching what the Senator do when questioning Rice will be VERY instructive. But unfortunately I do not believe they will challenge her assertions as to Iran. Every dem I have heard agree that Iran is a problem. And would not take military action off the table.
Well countries should be able to defend themselves. And I am not sure I see the difference between Pakistan have a nuclear bomb and Iran.
rumi @ 111
goodie! I never know what to do, since I’m almost always in EPUland by the time I get thru comments, & I hate straying onto unrelated threads. thankful for folk like you who check back ;->
Did the president unilaterally declare war on Iran?
looseheadprop – if there is going to be fitz live blogging, i’m going to be glued to my monitor! here’s hoping.
rawstory – Senator Kennedy will say this afternoon Bush never told
Senate about Iraq rules of engagement… Developing…
CNN had to bring in their darlin’ McCain to tell us how things really stand in Bushland. I hope he talks himself out of the presidential primaries. Time for me to run errands.
selise @ 124
Jane, Christy and Marcy (and evidently PAch now too) are going to be in DC for (I think) the entire trial. Lots and lots of live blogging.
Reminds me of Yearly Kos, I almost felt like I was there with everyone.
House to pass stem cell research bill
senate armed service committee hearing –
biden asked rice good question – do you think the president has the constitutional authority to enter iran (or other country) to pursue or attack w/o further congressional authority. she wouldn’t answer… biden told her that in his opinion the president does not.
looseheadprop @ 127
i’ve been looking forward to that… but somehow i had the idea that there wouldn’t be live blogging from the courtroom. regular updates from rabid lambs sounded great…. live blogging is way beyond that… woohoo!!!
lhp 118
Thanks much for clearing that up. Seemed too good to be true in some ways, and dang dangerous & potentially disruptive to a trial in others.
Probably be an absolute zoo in the media room, but I trust our team to do themselves proud. If memory serves, shyness ain’t one-a their problems, heh. skill & dedication – in abundance, ahhh.
with them on the job, this pup’s happy, and soooo proud! Go team!
Adie @ 122
EPUland describes most of my life so I feel right at home in a thread after most everyone else leaves. I’m well suited to the fast pace of the threads here but I get lost in the lengthier comments when the thread is moving. EPUland is a little quieter time of deeper reflection on the issues. It’s a nice time and I try to check back until the door is finally locked.
:-)
Btw, in general, if ever a reply is left that I don’t respond to or mention, kindly bring it to my attention or whack me upside the head and say..”hey!”
selise @ 129
Yes, but all that would change if the U.S. (or Israel) were attacked, hence, it seems the U.S. attack on the Iran embassy, and perhaps these oil field attacks.
Well I have to say, despite all the dumb stuff we do, Iran is pretty good
You know the deal – as with port situation in Florida, ongoing shifting on who/what: it was terrorist related, it was not. This all seems to me like manipulation (of Iran – and US!).
Adie @ 131
looseheadprop @ 127
there is a god, & she is good!
oops, yeah, u too, Pach!
hmmm, is raiding an embassy/consulate an act of war???
first you raid, then you turn it over to the peshmerga and then you deny it all…
Marcy gonna have a book-signing after the trial?
too much? *g*
Richmond @ 133
of course, but it has the potential (however small) of putting down a marker…. “do it and we might consider impeachment”
yeah, probably wishful thinking on my part…. but as i wrote last night… i’m the one grasping at straws here…
angie @ 136
i would have thought so… very confusing… (and disturbing)
angie @ 136
Yes. Historically this is identified internationally as an act of war! We can humor about it a bit (and absolutely no offense intended), but I am getting beyond humor on this whole mess.
looseheadprop @
127
Seconded.
Thanks lhp for a great post.
This is creepy. Anybody think Bushie wouldn’t use this if he could?
Pocketful of espionage: Beware the spy coins
RevDeb @
64
this one gets printed out & put up on the frig!
selise @ 138
Richmond @ 140
I am terrified and I am not living in Iraq… I certainly am not joking about this at all.
Richmond @ 140
Based on some of Keith’s comments last nite, anyone wanna take bets on his NOT including something re. Iran tonite? (Espec. after this move on the embassy) Maybe even the “Special Comments” feature.
I just got an email from Mr. Cox at Media Bloggers in response to a post I wrote about the article.
He says there will be both wi-fi for live blogging and video in the overflow courtroom.
While the Post failed to mention FDL had a press pass, I noted it and linked to Christy’s post about it.
I also made some observations about the difference between the regular and overflow courtroom, but now that overflow will have wifi, I think that’s the place to be.
Proud Heckler interrupting the Rice Lies with “more lies! stop the lies!”
uh…anyone remember who the US Ambassador is in Switzerland? I believe it was Cheney’s hunting buddy when he shot Whittington. I realize it’s the Swiss Amb that is the link to Iran but I figure it has to also run through what’s-her’name too.
angie @ 148
Yay heckler!
Adie @ 131
It won’t disrupt the live trial. All the blogging will either be in the overflow courtroom (that is a separate courtroom) or in the media room.
The live trial (where the judge and Scooter and the jury will be) will have it’s usual no electronics rules.
LHP: coupla of questions from a middle aged rookie lawyer just getting started in trial work:
1) I was taught that objecting during OC’s opening statement is tantamount to suicide, but what if OC says something really objectionable?
2) Since no foundation has been laid yet for the truth of factual evidence, how do you make your opening statement sound convincing without repeating, “the evidence will show” and “we will prove” over and over again ad nauseum?
I hated opening statements in my trial practice class. They seemed like the equivalent of an abstract for a scientific paper at best, and a useless formality at worst.
Thanks for your legal perspective–I love hearing stories from attorneys who have been out there in the trenches.
Pammy Willeford is finished with her amb. duties, I believe.
Prof. Prop – another winner, I’ll ace that Fitz test fer sure now*g*
o/t
okay, a little humor. . .very little
scrawled no doubt from what “was the frontline four and half years ago”
p.s. this is what grandma cbl called a “full on nutty”
angie @ 148
good to know that someone is willing to tell the truth – even if it is has to be a heckler!
good job!
Hagel says he will continue to oppose the escalation and gets applause.
He asks if our allies are escalating with us…
angie @ 153
thanks angie, much appreciated.
I also found this from last June in my diggings.
Burnt Offering
How a 2003 secret overture from Tehran might have led to a deal on Iran’s nuclear capacity — if the Bush administration hadn’t rebuffed it.
blue e @ 62
Thanks to the (patient) expertise we have here, us laymen are better educated on this stuff than most of the dopes at WaPo. That must frustrate them to no end – they can’t be quite as lazy.
Rayne: about law school, be afraid. Very afraid, especially later in life, and especially if you’re a liberal, creative type who likes to color outside the lines.
And the stress of your first three years in practice (when you don’t know what the hell you’re doing) can wreck your health, especially if you’re not 21 anymore.
But…the intellectual challenge is still a joy for me. Addictive, even.
Hy Dudgeon at Michigan Liberal has my e-mail address should you ever be seriously tempted and want to talk about it.
rumi @ 149
There was also snark at the time that she was Cheney’s “bedding” partner, hence in part his concern that his author-of-lesbian-trysts wife, Lynne would clobber him physically and verbally with her sharp pointy teeth!
rumi– didn’t the baker boyz and the ISG mention that secret overture? Oh, maybe my brain is fried.
Hagel calls Rice a liar– “it’s just not true”– he is plenty steamed.
TalkLeft @ 147
thanks for the additional info!
thinking this through…. my ibook (and i assume most laptops?) allows me to record audio… if there is wi-fi what’s to prevent hourly mp3 podcasts of the courtroom audio? i would expect that there would be some way to prevent this? it will be interesting to see how the logistics of this are worked out…
This case, as important as it is, will very shortly be relegated to the dustbin of history. George Bush’s war against the people of Iran will complete the destruction of a way of life we all would have preferred to keep. I fully expect the Internet to be shut down when this begins.
Do the people who count have alternate means of communication set up? Do they know where each other lives? Do they have food and heating fuel and gasoline?
These aren’t trivial questions. The government can make selected portions of cyberspace disappear in an instant.
LHP –
Great post! One other thing I’d add, from my perspective as a preacher and a past juror. The opening statement is a great place to pre-empt some of your opposition’s strategy. For instance, I can imagine Fitz including something like this:
“The defendant’s job in the Vice President’s office was important. He dealt with a lot of sensitive material – including things that are literally matters of life and death. The defense will likely trot a lot of that out for you. Listen to them, but while you do, remember this: The defendant is on trial for obstruction of justice and perjury. The defense will likely show you all kinds of bright shiny objects, trying to distract you from the basic charges that the defendant is facing, but don’t be fooled. Mr. Libby is in this courtroom not because of what he did in his job, but because he prevented the investigators in the Department of Justice from doing theirs. He lied to them, and he lied to people like yourselves, who served on the grand jury that indicted him. That’s why we’re here.”
A good prosecution opening can frame the whole trial, short-circuiting all the shiny objects the defense wants to illuminate.
John H. Farr @ 163
And people – remember the new Halliburton camps being erected as we speak.
eartha651 @ 152
1)Whoever told you that objection during opening is suicide, is very old school, and proabaly a gentleman. Bravo to him.
That used to be the way things were. Sadly, good manners are not always evident in court any more. Objections during arugment were never prohibited by the rules though and are much more common today than when I was starting out (during the gaslight era)
2) The best opening statement will sound very much like a travelog. It will give a verbal roadmap in an evocative style that allows the listener to picture the future trial in the mind’s eye.
It will also resemble the first day of class in college where the Professor tells you what you are going to cover and what is to be expected to happen.
And of course, it is a charm offensive. You want to win over the hearts and minds of the jurors at the earliest possible stage so they will hang onto your every word and pay attention when you indicate during the trial that a particular piece of evidence is important.
Pat’s job, is to educate them about what is to come, with a subtext of recruiting them to join Team Fitz.
angie @ 161
i confess i enjoyed that.
kerry up now…
looks like condi has been sucking on lemons
selise @ 162
A possibility of being on the receiving end of a contempt of court citation is what prevents it
Hayduke @
68
And, if it hasn’t been said enough lately, Joe Lieberman is a warmongering little prick.
Peterr @ 164
You are right Peterr. That technique is called innoculation. And it is a classic.
selise @ 162
The threat of legal prosecution if you do so. Made very clear to the people covering it.
Richmond @ 160
I recall some fairly credible accounts that the 2 women deliberately avoided each other at times of some of the joint (snipe?)hunting trips. In searches back at that time, I found some wild pictures of her and her husband’s exotic animal hunt club trophy kills in the field.
…wonder what she’s packing for the unruly PTA meetings.
btw, I’m so fed up with the surreality of our govt’s actions that anything less than full on impeachment/prosecution flirts with dark humor.
Oh and Peterr,
You can write my openings any day!
earth651 — thanks much for the voice of experience.
But I’ve disabused myself of the idea over 10 years ago that I’d go to law school — except perhaps as a painful hobby in my retirement. Worked for a Fortune 100 company’s legal department while taking business law in business school; I realized I was not cut from the right cloth (at least not for that kind of practice, yeesh). I could handle getting the JD and sitting for the bar, but I don’t think I could practice. Might rather get a paralegal cert in retirement and volunteer to assist folks with filing Durable Healthcare POA’s, simple wills, stuff like that.
looseheadprop @ 174
Thanks.
When you write one opening a week or so for 17 years of sermons, you either get good at it or really, really bad. I like to think I’m in the first category.
angie @ 161
I think it was. It’s a shame Jr didn’t bother to take the effort to read the work of the ISG.
I’m already starting to ache at the upcoming humanitarian devastation. I can only imagine how hard this is all hitting you. …hang in there.
looseheadprop @ 169
A possibility of being on the receiving end of a contempt of court citation is what prevents it
sure would prevent me… but i confess i would be tempted to record in order to use as a reference for later analysis. or will a court transcript by available to the public?
let me add my thanks, looseheadprop, for all the info/education and especially answering our questions!
CNN – Denver will host 2008 Dem Convention
emptywheel @ 172
actually, just the threat of not letting me come back the next day would be enough to keep my following all the rules to the smallest detail!
to say nothing of the hassel it would cause for all the other bloggers… hopefully everyone will be on best behaviour.
Russ Feingold up
new thread
angie @ 181
i just realized that this is the a senate foreign relations committee hearing (i’ve been calling it a senate armed services committee hearing – but that one is tomorrow).
Earth 651 – Typically you see comity between the prosecution and defense in federal court – it’s not like on TV. It might be Senate style comity, but it is comity nontheless. I’ve never understood it, but if I had to come up with an answer it would be – the odds really are that your client is going to be convicted, and needlessly pissing off/annoying the prosecution (or the judge) might have future consequences.
And neither the prosecution nor the defense, usually, wants to piss off the judge during a trial by making clearly out of bounds arguments/assertions – during any phase of the trial. That being, my experience is that it is much easier for the defense to “piss off” the judge than it is for the prosecution to do so, but then again, I think judges (or at least the rules/decisions they need to follow) favor the prosecution.
LHP – I really want an email address so as to share my (and others) “knowledge/experience” off line.
someone applauding feingold’s statement!
raven @
6
Raven said ‘twice’ twice…
Russ is plenty steamed too.
Questioning her on Afghanistan– she sez Afghanistan is better off.
NK nucular test has nothin to do with Iraq acc to Rice.
He sez everything that is going wrong is a result of the failures in Iraq…
i love that feingold is not letting rice get away with not answering his questions…
twolf1 @ 120
Shorter shorter McCain: War good! Grrrrrrrr!
me too, selise.
Rice says she’s the one that has to go to work every morning and work on EVERYTHING and everywhere, not just Iraq.
(heckuva job, Condi)
Evil Parallel Universe @ 184
EPU–thanks. My trial work so far has been limited to federal court, where things seem to be pretty well choreographed. My colleagues who work in state court tell me that almost anything goes nowadays.
And my co-counsel has been practicing for 20 years, which is the only thing that allows me to sleep at night.
rice is trying to say that the palestinians were worse off before the iraq war? i must have misunderstood.
feingold was a breath of fresh air… now i’m getting a headache…time to take a break… back later.
thanks for the company/moral support angie!
twolf1 @ 108
Up to the ankles in BS.
rumi @ 173
I recall some fairly credible accounts that the 2 women deliberately avoided each other at times of some of the joint (snipe?)hunting trips. In searches back at that time, I found some wild pictures of her and her husband’s exotic animal hunt club trophy kills in the field.
…wonder what she’s packing for the unruly PTA meetings.
btw, I’m so fed up with the surreality of our govt’s actions that anything less than full on impeachment/prosecution flirts with dark humor.
…flirts on dark humor – I’m doing a half snort with a slanted curled lip mouth ;-/
Richmond @
195
Shouldn’t ;-/ be more of a ;-]
I’m goin back to my tinfoil hat now. We have to survive this somehow.
thanks
selise @ 178
sure would prevent me… but i confess i would be tempted to record in order to use as a reference for later analysis. or will a court transcript by available to the public?
let me add my thanks, looseheadprop, for all the info/education and especially answering our questions!
The trial transcript is technically a public document
Evil Parallel Universe @ 184
You can try LHPFDL at yahoo dot com, but I never check it unless I am specifically expecting an email there. You would have to give me a heads up that you sent one
Thank you for your pre-trial tour of the structure of a trial.
Fire Dog Lake is producing this like a nework mini-series or, like a Super Bowl pre-game show. It’s fun and informative.
Regarding apt metaphors. Your point that few people can relate to having been an umpire is well taken. Convesely, everyone knows ehat an umpire is, and that umpires are responsible for determing what actually happened and for ruling on it. Furthermore, it allowed him to imply, during his annoucement of Libby’s indictment, that it was Libby, who is charged with lying and perjury and obstruction, who was the player that kicked the sand in his eyes.
What better metaphor would illustrate a deliberate action to obscure Fitz’s view of the suspected ‘underyling’ crime(s)?
What are the chances that this trial will produce evidence that results in additional indctments?
twolf1 @
110
How could this be tested empirically?
urban pirate @
158
Did you see ‘em get all in a snit with:
Well, la-di my dah! (can’t stop giggling!)
Rayne @
175
Rayne, no you’re not. You’re gonna be a congress critter. We need you.
Thank you, thank you Prof Prop.
HotFlash @ 201
The terrible part is they believe they do that…
neil @ 199
SInce it is a case about OBSTRUCTING the investigation, if the obstruction were removed…..?
Hope this hasn’t been posted here but Jeralyn at “Talk Left” has posted the following, trial order Kinda like who sits where and whatever. Having never followed any legal proceedings (Including my own) this closely this is fun to read and watch. Go get em Fitz.
HotFlash @
202
That sounds like an excellent plan.